Is the New 2025 Toyota 4Runner BETTER than the Land Cruiser and Lexus GX ?!
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- #4runner #landcruiser #lexusgx #gx550 #toyota
Toyota has three very similar #SUV models. The #gx550 is the #luxury entry from Lexus to share the same platform as the #toyotalandcruiser and the all-new #6thgen #toyota4runner.
- What's your budget?
- Do you want #hybrid #iforcemax
- Do you want #twinturbo v6?
Toyota has you covered, and then some, with every buyer on the market. Here's my breakdown.
00:00 - 4runner vs LC vs GX
15:21 - Conclusion
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Man everything is just too expensive nowadays... midsize sedans entry trim is 30k, crossover suv 34-40k, bigger suv 45+++. This is just nuts
I never cared much for Subaru but the Crosstrek and Forester Wilderness editions are looking a lot better to me these days for that reason
Yeah look at the prices for the Bronco Sport models! Great smaller options for a 4x4 but bigger prices.
Would love to see a Ranger based mini SUV with all wheel drive
Sales guy told my wife & I that spending $20-25K more for such SUV will also cost us $10K more in fuel and more for tires and insurance, raising the CPM or cost per mile to double or triple that of the Corolla Hybrid.
@@CJ-rk5eg Same but Toyota
I like the 4Runner, but my ultimate favorite is still the Land Cruiser Prado.
Damm, what happened to ur green colored background, Mr Guru Little 7000 lol? Anyways, I prefer the 4runner due to the rolling rear window, cheaper cost, updated technology, and a hybrid as an optional, although I hope they throw the manual and isodynamic seats in later on to further differentiate the prado and the 4runner
@@normanli7085Yeah I like the 4Runner too and I definitely think the rear rolling windows are a cool feature.
I decided to change my profile because it’s a new season and blue seemed appropriate for spring.😂I’ll revert it back sometime.
@mrgurulittle7000 Mmm, got it. But in regards to the previous gen 4runner and Prado, I agree. I still have a soft spot for the Lexus version as that buttery smooth v8, overall exterior design, the eventual good enough 10.3-inch touchscreen (though they should have given it that during the refresh in 2020 just like the 4runner got it) and the red interior. And I wouldn't mind the pop out glass even though roll down is better, haha
@@normanli7085Yeah, Lexus version is another level. I like those too.
I didn’t buy another Toyota because I hated the dealership experience, went to two and avoided the other two as they were still doing mark ups. They talk like they have hot shit when they don’t.
Got a Mazda CX 50 instead of a Highlander of even a Camry, and they respected us. That matters to me. Our 4Runner was amazing but overkill for what we used it for.
I truly hope your dealership respects its customers.
In the Netherlands we have excellent Toyota dealers. Sad to read that in the Usa it is the opposite.....😢😢😢😢
How has your Mazda CX50 been? Mazda holds a big place in my heart.
I helped build those in the factory.....I would not buy anything from that factory 😅 they only hire kids or people too stupid to not unionize and they treated us like dogs, so I quit (was in Alabama)
they only built the CX-50 and Corolla Cross I believe it was there....but I only helped build the CX-50....they were much nicer than the Toyota we were building there
I completely agree with your statement in 2019 I was trying to get the new rav 4 hybrid the Toyota dealer treated me very bad they never let me drive one unless I buy it. So I decided to to go to Lexus dealer they treated me really good so I ended up getting the nx300h
I prefer the GX550 employing that 3.4 liter V-6 turbo
Wished I could afford the GX 550
Turbo not good for long term reliability that Toyota's are legendary for, so change the oil early if you go that way
@@AaronSchwarz42 Toyota has been doing force induction for so many year. I say easily 500k miles with proper maintenance.
@@AaronSchwarz42The turbo uses low boost. Not very stressful for the engine it’ll be fine.
@@Cinoismwhat is a force induction
I’ve gone through the permutations too. I don’t mind cloth seats, but I believe the 1958 version is a bit plasticky overall. Door cards and stuff. And I hate a blatantly small screen with large surroundings to remind you daily what you could have had. I’d go with the middle grade LC. Would miss the 3rd rows, but the next step up to Lexus is pretty steep.
Do you have 45k ------ 55k ------- 65k thats how you decide which one to get!!!! They are all great and pretty much the same car in different trims made in the same FACTORY IN JAPAN! I'm loving that 45k pricetag for a 4Runner best value car you can buy right now.
45 just the starting price.OTD will be 55k
@@thomaswater6608 extras apply to every version
@@thomaswater6608 markups are destroying affordable cars.
Depends on what you need and budget.
I will go for GX550.
You are right.
Imagine being dumb enough to overpay for a Land Cruiser with a Lexus badge
@Rapido20 Exactly. We get what we pay extra. Land Cruiser does not have 3rd seat, the engine is 4 cylinder hybrid max, and the comfort and driving experience not quite matching with Lexus. This Land Cruiser is fake. It is not real Land Cruiser ( 300 series ) I want. Lexus GX550 is a better option ,overall.
Great overview Kirk, this is where your spreadsheet really provides clarity, thank you.
The issue is that real Landcruiser is not being offered in the USA, the LC 300. The Prado (LC 250) was always basically the 4Runner for the rest of the world. To offer both the 4Runner and the Prado in the USA does not really make any sense. In Australia, you can get a base model 300 series with cloth seats. . .
I always felt like they should replace the current Sequoia with the LC300, but that would probably take away LX and GX sales nowadays…
@@faheemabbas3965as per the Mike Sweers who was the Chief Engineer on the Sequoia, they wouldn’t have a competitor to the Tahoe, Expedition, etc. and the LC300 as well as any other of the Toyota SUVs aren’t big enough to compete, even with the complications of the Sequoia.
@@faheemabbas3965 Yep. I am not a fan of the Sequoia. . .
Prado got bigger this gen
Here we get the Prado but the 4Runner we have to import from the US. They're so close to each other that makes no sense to sell them together.
Being a sales person at Toyota I hate this overlap options. It makes customer more confused and it hard to make customer understand too.
Yep. 9 trim levels is overkill. 5 is reasonable
You know what I hate Toyota the most? They are not increasing numbers of making popular cars like sienna, Prius, instead of making a lot of crowns which they made a lot in inventory but nobody interested. Does Toyota really listen their customers voice? I really doubt about it? And moreover,Just like you mentioned that They also overlap a lot of similar cars.
I second for that cuz both platinum and capstone is not necessarily. If people want more features it can simple adding into limited. Where I lived, I rarely see both platinum and capstone on the road….
Me too. I was telling my wife, they should have made the 4Runner smaller and reduced the price to make it sufficiently different from the land cruiser. Wii can't even get more than 3 colors on the 1958, huge miss for me.
@@KirkKreifels I mean, crazy ADMS on 9 trims levels should cause no complaints from sales....
Biggest decision maker for me is the full time 4WD. Being in Canada with it snowing half the year, having that full time 4WD is key.
That full time 4wd is land cruiser only. Lexus does not offer it. Neither does 4 runner. The limited 4wd 4Runner is not available in Canada
@gunsmokezz Lexus does offer it. What are you talking about, lol? The lexus vehicles are based on the toyota ones, although the gx debuted before the 250 series prado
@gunsmokezz The GX550 is full-time 4wd, and the Limited and Platinum 4Runners come with full-time 4wd. Pretty common knowledge already.
I live in Minnesota and need the full-time system as well for the winter.
@thebeast9606 might be a better buy out of the other 2. Plus, u get a guaranteed flat load floor and a TTV6 with a premium touch
The Land Cruiser is for people who like the boxy and smooth, retro look while the 4Runner is for people who want a busy look with all the edges and curves and tough looking vehicle
Or want a full time system on a lower trim offering (the LC).
5th gen 4Runner owner who wants a lc instead of 6th gen 4Runner 👋
LC has iconic face and hybrid "full-time 4wd", so it means most multi purposeful and capable suv. Maybe this is gonna be the new soccer mom car of upper mid family instead of GX460....
Looks are part of it...but really its different classes. One is bigger and wider. Those who don't need room will consider 4runner.
4Runner will outsell lc in a ratio of 20 to 1 😂😂😂
The only off-road 99% of these vehicles are going to be doing is when they hop the curbs at the mall.
they should rename the land cruiser to mall cruiser.
I was just looking closely at my 2012 FJ Cruiser TT. I haven’t taken it off road but maybe 6 times. However, it is very scratched from limbs and some dents from rocks and trees. If I spent $50-$85 K for a very nice vehicle. I don’t think I could bring myself to take it where it could go. I’m looking for an older cheaper vehicle now to use for true technical stuff. Maybe that is just me.
It’s the same with truck owners. Hardly or ever haul anything in the truck bed.
Pavement Princess Syndrome for sure, as a single occupancy commuter // same with Tundra and other big trucks with one small person inside
Maybe in America. It is a different story here in Iraq. LC is more than taxis here. I wish we get the 4Runner though 😢
I was a crazy fan of the Land Cruiser when it came out till last week when the 4Runner came out damn it looks sweet
Personally, 4RUNNER...TRD Sprt Prm OR TRD Off Road (No 3rd Row). 2WD/4WD😊. Possibly Dark Blue 💙 & Brown 🤎 or Black interior 🎉❤😊..
You really dove into this topic, and I appreciate it!
Kirk. I have to agree with you that the best value proposition is the "base" Land Cruiser. But honestly, its WAY WAY to much money! Because dealerships will have markups. I'll take a fully sufficient CX-50 to meet my needs please. 😮
Thanks for your informed comparisons.
What about fuel economy Kirk?
Cars are getting way too expensive. What needs to happen is people need to stop paying these prices until companies realize they’ve priced themselves out of the market.
True, but at least the Land Cruiser is no longer a six-figure vehicle in the US
Cars these days need to meet much stricter regulations, it's very complicated and expensive to meet emission and safety requirements these days where every knee has to have an airbag etc. I don't think car prices are coming down until maybe some cheaper EV battery tech comes out.
@@omnimoeish EV's are never going to be the mainstream. It's wishful thinking to think this. They will have a place in the market but Hybrids and Hydrogen/Alt Fuel vehicles are where it's going to be. And Your point about stricter regulations making cars more expensive is kinda moot when Toyota can make hybrids cheaper than Naturally aspirated and make more profit off of the hybrids. The problem is, everyone thinks they CAN charge up to $40k for a corolla, and people willingly pay it. If they stopped and only bought used for a few years Toyota and other manufacturers (who are all guilty of this mind you) will get the hint.
@@heyyougonnafinishthat8658 it still is six figures (LC300/LX600). This new model is a LC Prado which has always been in this mid-tier segment.
@@icuyouseeme what does LC stand for
Great comparison. Thank you Kirk
❤ Terrific over view Kirk muck appreciated.
i agree! thanks for the review
Excellent breakdown! I'm so looking forward to deciding on either the 4runner or landcruiser. I'll have to wait for the 4runner to be available
Thanks, Kirk, for the contented platform
I’m definitely getting the GX over trail plus. I would like to wait for the hybrid model to come out before I make my decision.
I have a 5500 lb. travel trailer I want to tow out west. Seems like the only choice for me is the GX550 Overtrail base. I'll be able to tow the trailer out there from the east coast, and when not towing - go off-roading a night or two. Agreed?
Ordering mines this week!!!!
Great analysis Kirk!
I thought the Trailhunter was a level above the trd pro given the more add on items.
I really see both of those models above $60k. Next off-road specific model is the GX overtrail at $69k but will miss some of the luxury features until you jump even higher for the +
Not above, they are side by side Trailhunter and Pro, just different tuned suspensions for different usage.
Hi Kirk! If you have any news for the next gen Hilux & Fortuner let us know! Thanks love your content ❤😊
Kirk, I’m going to use my 3rd row because of two kids. Out of land cruiser and this 4Runner which one you would recommend ? My eyes are on the limited 4Runner tho
Michael's Toyota helped me pick the 2022 Corolla Hybrid as the best option for our income, no kids, commuter, practicality, fuel economy, reliability, low operating cost, easier to park, long range per fill-up, and plenty of space inside as a 4 door with trunk. I kitted out the truck with 4 inch thick foam, an electric blanket, battery inverter river 2 to power the bracket, a thick fuzzy black queen sized blanket and camping pillow. I am 5 ft 11in tall and 165lbs and 40 years old and able to crawl into the trunk via the folding rear seat and use the fuzzy blanket to block out the light and leave my legs and feet dangling over the folder rear seat into the cabin while my torso and head and arms are floating on the memory foam e-blanket and fuzzy blanket pillow kit and take 10-40 min naps to refresh on the go and works fine. Commuting to work smooth I can get over 50 MPG and hypermiling over 70 MPG, so it bests even my wife's 3rd gen Prius in terms of fuel economy. I also love the design of the E210 Corolla :)
I am trying to decide over the 4runner TRD Pro or the Lexus 550 Overtrail or plus. What are your thoughts about these vehicles?
For me the LC250 premium is everything I want and nothing I don’t. Coming from a Gen 5 T4R.
Kirk, where can I find this Land Cruiser B-roll?
this was a really good overview survey to understand the 3 model platforms BUT as someone who doesn't particularly care about the Land Cruiser heritage, I will take my own advice, thanks
I want a highbred, so it looks like the Landcruiser grade for me. Thanks for the comparison. Great job.
The big pro on the GX is that twin turbo V6. Thats huge. Plus it's Alexis and everything that goes along with dealing with those dealerships it's superior curious as to what the MPG's are for the LC iForceMax
T HE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR: IS RELIABILTY- the question is which engine will live up to Japan's unsurpassable & legendary reputation of making the longest lasting engines ever made.
I like this design. We had the older one. Solid ride.
Kirk can you do an update to this video, when and if you get actual pricing on the 4 runner? Our local Toyota dealer is saying a year plus wait on the 4 Runners. And post embargo on all of your impressions. Maybe after you get each to drive at home? Love your channel!
Everyone says it’s stupid there’s so much overlap I think Toyota has thought this through and they’re going to sell a shitload of all of these. And it’s very easy to option a 4Runner and end up saying “gee I’m almost at LC price maybe I’ll just get that” and same with a well optioned LC it’s easy to justify a jump to the GX. Also while 4Runner and LC are so close in size, styling wise they are so different some people are going to prefer one or the other.
The vehicle that makes no sense is the Sequoia, no point to such a large expensive SUV with so little usable space. GX renders the Sequoia pointless. It looks good but just doesn’t have enough space to justify.
Sometimes, I wonder why they’re offering the LC250 in the US when the 4Runner is already here imo…
Yeah, if they already have it elsewhere, why not bring it in to profit on those Land Cruiser freaks out there :)
Heritage. The Prado also traces its root all the way back to 1951.
AND ALSO The Gx
Lexus gx is beautiful but not that great on gas and with prices edging to $4 gallon now that hurts. Good pillow fight here though between 4Runner, GX and also for me the x5. Going to be a fun fall season test driving all and crunching numbers. Also have to wait for interest rates to come down so maybe I’ll hold off for 2025/26 models. Let’s them work kinks out too.
Here in California, premium gas is over $6/gallon so I'm waiting for the GX hybrid to be released. I have a 2023 RX hybrid and it seems like a no brainer to go with hybrid these days, so quiet and smooth and cheap to drive. Also the higher watt AC outlets in the hybrids are nice.
@@omnimoeish California, OUCH! Agree with you on the hybrid. Old saying, when the manufacturers come out with more and more products the consumer wins. We shall certainly see once these hit the showrooms.
I would buy one as long as there are no dealer markups.
I put a deposit down on a trd pro but starting to like the LC more and more, I just wish they would an offroad oriented version of LC, similar to overtrail. I think some AT tires and possibly a mild lift on LC would do just fine
They is the gx over trail. Land crusier,. With more off road capacity
You can do that on your own with aftermarket parts though.
What’s the ADM for the GX and LC these days?
Kirk, on paper all of them have similar exterior dimensions. Is the 4Runner a tad smaller inside?
Hey hey now! I see in your video here the first LC 250 LC Trim with LC Trim headlights, in Trail Dust. Awesome!!! @kirk ( strong Hawaiian shirt game ) you've seen Trail Dust in person. Is it yellow? Yellowish? I'm hoping yes. I agree with you in the Base 1958 but did you know only 3 colors?!?
Dull yellow, newborn poop
Annnnnd SCENE
why isn't anyone talking about the locking gas cap door ??!!?? that's SICK! 🤩
if the Lexus had the same hybrid engine as the tundra, this decision would be a lot easier to make, but I think I'll stick with the overtrail as my choice. Who could be mad at a Toyota v6 turbo.
Agree
For me its the Toyota Sequoia Trd pro!!
The markup is going to be crazy the 4runner is so popular now
Hey Kirk!!
Did you happen to see Larry Chen at the 4Runner event??
Photographer & Car Reviewer (mostly modified cars & trucks)
I didn't but I've seen him before
With the new Tacoma.... toyata's scaleability on one platform... is just....crazy.... but the most important thing is not these trucks... it's the current interest rate.... and dealer markups... I was offered near 10k discount on 2023 lexus GX460 at a special 2% rate... no matter how toyota and lexus have good resale values ... it maybe better to wait a year or two until the rates come down and the new demand for next hot thing winds down... Ford broncos are now selling at MSRP or lower nowadays...
Based on looks alone, the GX is where it's at. But the one I can reasonably obtain will be the 4Runner, and I'm A OK with that.
Don't know if the budget compact cars from Suzuki-Toyota partnership will ever reach America or if there is demand for them:
Suzuki-Toyota
Celerio - Vitz
Baleno - Starlet
Ertiga - Rumion
Vitara Brezza - Urban Cruiser
Grand Vitara - Urban Cruiser Hyryder (Toyota built)
Fronx - Urban Cruiser Taisor
Ciaz - Belta
There is no Toyota Jimny because Suzuki declined to rebadge their icon...
I'm going for the 4runner!
Waiting on the more affordable Xterra.
Of course, the GX is the best TT V6, baby
I think the transmission offerings are also important to compare and contrast in this discussion. Only GX gets 10 speed automatic. Which leads to 9000 lbs of towing.
Only the Overtrail series get that much towing, they must have enhanced transmission cooling and other improvements for towing. The others are around 7600 lbs (?)
Trying to decide which one for on road trips and then lots of beach driving and not getting stuck on Texas Beaches. Some areas are 4x4 only on the beach but want the comfort also. Tough choice with these three.Not sure if the LC tires are up for beach driving on soft sand.
Then change the tires 😊
One of these three will be my next truck. Liking the overtrail the most followed by the LC. I agree with you, the high end 4Runner models are too teenager for me. I don’t like the camo seats and every year they add more TRD badging.
Dont forget the Toyota Sequoia 😊
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Instead of a foregone conclusion, I think the verdict needs to be withheld until test driving the 4Runner Platinum. Expecting it to be $65K. Good grief, one cannot even get power running boards on any variant of the Land Cruiser, only on the Lexus GX550 Luxury+, but the DO come on the 4R Platinum.
Nice overview. Does the Landcruiser take premium fuel?
Nope
C and D estimates 43K to 74K price for 4Runner, recently all their estimates were under the actual price.
70k+ is madness
What if you have the chance to get the 2.8 turbo diesel for the LC 250 that we have in the middle east, what would you choose.
I'd have to drive them back to back
Base J250 going for $59-60k in my area before taxes.
Will Toyota Reduced the price of previous generation 4Runner
I'm sure hybrid is the reason but I wish Land Cruiser has same ground clearance as 4runner.
What about the 3 row 4Runner?
Besides that, I would get the Land Cruiser. Looking forward to the reviews.
Out of the 3, all using the same wheelbase, I would go with the Lexus GX, just because of the V6 turbo, the LC cost with an I4 turbo hybrid seems a little high, no price or fuel info on the new-gen 4Runner (so, there's that)
all great choices. i dont think you could go wrong with either one. GX may be the one that’s more available imo since both the 4Runner and Land Cruiser have more recognizable branding.
Im 6’1” with long torso and feel like a circus bear in the current 4runner. Since you have sat in all of these, which is best for us taller folk?
I'd say gx LC. 4Runner feels tighter
They made the 4Runner as long as the Landcruiser. Same 2.4 turbo engine option. Both have front IFS and rear solid axle. Very similar interiors. I dont get it....
Take one of them. Cut the body and the price both in half. Please and thank you.
You forget that lower load floor on the GX, Kirk. That’s a plus for me. I like the lip of the rear of the hatch matching the floor of the rear. It makes it easier to load heavy boxes and you aren’t scuffing up that load floor lip they’ve created in the LC. It’s a small thing that gets more annoying with time.
Toyota has been lazy with battery packaging. Hopefully this changes soon since they bought out Panasonic's JV with them
Waiting for the mini Land Cruiser~
I agree with Kirk's conclusions... in _theory_ ... *however* in terms of real world _availability_ ... (and Kirk being an experienced Lexus salesperson may or may not agree with me) don't you think it's highly unlikely for Lexus dealers to sell stripped down base models? I think Lexus dealers tend to load up their vehicles with expensive option packages. So that means the base model GX is kind of a mythical creature. I would also think a similar thing is going to happen with the new Land Cruiser. Being as the previous Land Cruiser had a much higher point of entry, I think Toyota dealers aren't going to want to sell stripped down base model Land Cruisers. So that leaves the 4Runner as the only "affordable" option. And I think it will be much easier to find low spec 4Runners (not immediately of course, but eventually) than it will be to find stripper base model Land Cruisers and Lexus GXs on dealer lots. So there goes your price overlap... right out the window (sticker)! 😺
The question is.. do I want pin stripes on my 45k, 55k, 66k or 77k vehicle?
Landcruiser all the way!
5:00 Premium fuel on Landcruiser/Landcruiser premium but not 1958? Seems like an error as they have the same motor, no?
4 runner out of all those trim levels which one has the best off road trim level? And one with most smooth ride?
Tje 1958 look so plastikity that the "cheaper" 4runner looks better! If all were the same price, I'll take the gx!
My thoughts exactly, and like thin and crappy
Kirk - online they have the premium Land Cruiser and base GX over trail both for 71 to 72,000
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IMHO opportunity lost on a three row GX Overtrail. Other markets get the turbo diesel Land Cruiser with the three rows due to a lack of hybrid battery in the cargo floor. They could have done the same with the GX Overtrail but for some reason decided not to. Instead the only option for a three row off-roader is the Sequoia.
What I’m hearing is but used or loose
Isnt the ground clearance a lot higher on the 4 Runner?
Yes. A few inches
Off just looks. GX hands down.
Be interested to see the pricing on the 4runner trd pro vs Land Cruiser.
And just imaging when the Toyota century SUV comes over geezes at that point it will be Choosing Lexus LX or the century suv
it's my understanding the new forerunners won't have the KDSS suspension. could be a deal breaker
there is no such model called a forerunner lmfao
please we need an update when the 4runner pricing comes out
The Trail Hunter is the highest model.
The comparison is not quite right btw a 4Runner that has sway bar disconnect and the Land Cruiser 1958 that does not have it. One needs to go to the LC LC to have it. So off-roading goes down when shifting to a LC 1958, which is weird to have to say.
I REALLY liked how the 4Runner TRD pro looked. However, I would have to wait until November to jump into a new one. That practically leaves me with either the Land Cruiser (Land Cruiser) or the GX550 premium plus. Which equipped how I want, are the same price. I don’t really need the third row and just leaves me with the decision of either spending more on fuel for the Lexus badge or an over priced Toyota. Decisions, decisions. 😅
Go Lexus, build quality is much better. Just decide if you need full time 4wd
Kirk, You are correct, the Land Cruiser is the top choice. 🤩🤩
If you need a third row.........get a Sienna.
Lexas didn't pull any punches! If money was no object, lexas all day.
I prefer the exterior looks of the 4Runner, but I prefer the interior of the Land Cruiser. The Lexus remains the best pick of the litter if you can afford it.