check out allen and heath then. its in their sq series and dlive. i dont know about avantis, but i would be certain its there too. i dont know then qu series, but i dont like that series anyway :)
The session loaded sounded already heavily mixed and processed prior. I am not sure if that mix/processing was done somewhere else or on the behringer console. A good demo would have been to show raw tracks mixed and process only with the console . I am trying to find some video that demos the quality of the mixer and its onboard fx / hardware emulation plugins.
Most sources are usually mono and for the few stereophonic ones, as keyboards, electronic drums or the acoustic drums' I can live with link them. Ok, a virtual querty keyboard makes naming channels and scenes easier, touch screen is easier too, but beside this, why should I take this instead a x32?
You can use the different modelled compressors and eq's on EVERY channel. Big game changer if you can use LA-2A style compressors on a bunch of vocalists without taking up space in the effects rack.
Hello, the WING has TWO DCA buttons. One button in the DCA department and one button in the MAIN OUTPUT department. The button in the MAIN OUTPUT department, does it have the same function as the DCA button in the DCA department?
How does this sound quality wise? Does it sound as good as an Allen and heath sq? I know the old x32 did not sound very good in my opinion especially when trying to use it’s on board processing.
@JK COVINGTON well, there are Midas preamps and "Midas preamps". Behringer products have the latter, and Midas M32 products are closer to them rather than to real Midas preamps. The highly-desireable Disney-exclusive and all that are on Midas PRO desks, new Midas Heritage-D, analog Midas consoles. Those are Steinway, and this isn't even Yamaha. Still, preamps are definitely not the most important part of Wing sound: we have 8 (e-i-g-h-t) preamps on board, this is for ambience mic, RTA mic, extra talkbacks, whatever. Nobody is doing the show on these, real inputs are on stagebox, and we have AES50 built-in, Dante card available (or will be available soon), so we can get ANY preamps we want. Same goes for A/D conversion, it will happen on stagebox, so you can pick what sounds best. Important part of Wing sound is its internal processing, and in this department Wing kicks x32-series' ass (including M32 too): it has five times more processing power, and software is 7 years newer than what x32 has (plus new "premium" effects might be good, didn't listen to those yet), so we have all reasons to assume it will sound better.
I'm thinking of buying it too! But I have some doubts If you given that you already have it could solve some doubts! 1) Does the purchase already include an audio interface? 2) Are the converters good? 3) Latency times in live recording? 4) Does it have DSP technology as well as internal effects? 5) I would like to use it together with Cubase 11 to possibly exploit its internal power so as not to stress the CPU of my computer, as if it were a digital mixer but also full controller is it feasible or do you need to buy other expansions or have a powerful computer? 6) Having already purchased some plugins, can I use them while recording and mixing from Wing? 7) Is the Wing live card included by default or must it be purchased separately? Thanks!
Mixed thoughts about this console. First of all, touch screen - finally! Visually, looks nice but a bit like a toy. Also an excuse to trimming the fat by taking away material, I wouldn’t want to lean on it out of a flightcase and custom case now needed for its new design. More money. Don’t like how there’s less inputs and outputs on the back, forcing a new owner to buy the outboard digital stage box. Plus the Midas preamps become obsolete when you use Behringer’s S16/32 so what’s the point. Nice amount of FX, more inputs, outputs etc always a plus. No mention of a USB plug in so how do I load show files or save them to stick.
I've rarely come across anyone using X32 and M32 without a digital stagebox. What added most to the cost of M32 was the preamps, and if you end up using stageboxes, they almost become obsolete. Me and many others who commented when Behringer reached out for feedback for a potential new mixer, asked for them to get rid of most of the inputs and outputs to reduce the cost. Luckily they left some of the inputs, because many tend to have some kind of input (wireless mics, PC-audio, talkback mic etc.) closer to where the mixer is placed, and because they got rid of the 8-block routing, you can use them however you want. I think this is the perfect compromise.
Why did they not put M2 slots for NVMe memory sticks rather than SD Cards? Best why not just stick a 1Tb on on the board somewhere and a slot for another for backups? It only goes to 48 kHz same as the ADA8200, (I have one) pity cos for a studio they would usually want atleast 96.
@@colinhough9434 X32 full version has 32 midas inputs and 16 outputs, to use the wing in full range you have to buy an S32, but i think 32+8=40 isn't it ??? I never spoke about X32 rack, but u r wrong again, X32-rack has 32 inputs and 16 outputs and it's meant to be used with a mixer of your choice for expanding ?!?!?!?
@@colinhough9434 jupp, u can handle x32-rack with x32 edit, but please forget my comment, it will be endless if we don't stop. thanx for writing. All i wanted to say is, that if u buy a wing u will have a very large 8 channel mixer not really worth the prize, without an S32.
@@isaakkelterer I like my S32 because I have an X32 front of house and a X32 compact for monitors. I assume that they are trying to fade out larger consoles and forcing digital stage boxes. Plus cat5 is much easier to run than a 32x8 splitter snake.
Let's say we are switching from the x32 over to the Wing 48. Are we able to backup our config from our x32 and import it into the Wing 48 and it imports our settings and setup?
But how long does behringer expect the parts and components begin to degrade. As compared to a analog mixer? This piece of equipment looks absolutely beautiful and must sound great but it's digital and if or when exposed to the elements(heat and cold) it will degrade faster than analog. Just saying...
Is it possible to recall snapshots via midi or assign softkeys for calling next snapshot? Can I assign softkeys to launch example midi notes so I can fire cues using console midi out to qlab on mac.? This is very critical function when using console like this in theather.
@@lawlothegradiator7723 I have found what I was looking for and its called Allen&Heath SQ console. It can do everything needed and more. I tried to get answers about this wing console and all I get is comments where answer is needed. Ask a question about Allen&Heath and I get answers. It just tells about profession we are dealing with here. If anyone is looking a console in a same price take a look this SQ console.
@@lawlothegradiator7723 Its hard to say how to compare the price. Overall the Allen&Heath SQ series is more capable what comes working with audio. There is Dante and Waves card available to SQ series. And talking about effects you can´t judge by the look.
Ultranet would be possible via one of the stageboxes, the SD series having multiple powered ultranet outputs. I would expect that a new version of the P16 will switch to Stage Connect. The other option is the Midas DP48/HUB4 setup, more advanced than the P16, two separate mixes so one unit can be shared between two musicians and the HUB4 is a no brainer if you have wireless IEM's
@@dglcomputers1498 hmm.. Thats an interesting prediction on the stageConnect.. I didn't think of it that way.. If so..Perhaps the P16 can be a p32 or even 40 with layers to get more channels in without having to group.. Thanks your your help.. I'll have to see what the firmware options are for the ultranet when I get it..
Beautiful product, and quite reasonable at 3500$ for a motorized Mixer board for the small studio. For the HOME studio though, it's quite pricey, maybe make a non-motorized version for a lot less?
digital mixer with non-motorized faders is pretty much useless for any real work, and even if they wanted to do one -- workflow with non-motorized faders is different from one with motorized faders desk, so it would have to be completely different device, it's not as easy as "just do the same but install different faders"
@@egork92 I have 30+ years in electronics design, your comment didn't help either, try to come up with an actual technical explanation why you think so?
Then you'd complain about not being able to hear him explain what he's doing because the music would be too loud or you don't like the music they chose. Can't please anybody. Just be happy you got a video that demonstrates how to use the mixer.
Can you still only insert one effect per channel/bus? It really makes no sense to limit it like that. It takes no more processing power to put 3 inserts on one channel than 3 inserts on 3 channels. Also, forcing ppl to use an effect bay to get a graphic EQ on each monitor out is ridiculous. Even the x-air has a native graph on the outs. I hope you guys fixed that blaring oversight.
@@samuelfrench80 if you wanted something simpler and you wanted to know it had Midas faders, and maybe if you didn't want to use a digital stagebox then you might still get one. This is a lot more advanced and looks a lot more flexible though!
@@samuelfrench80 M32 has usable amount of onboard IO, you can actually do a show on it. Wing needs stagebox for real work, so you need to include it in the price. Good thing is that if you already have AES50 (Behringer or Midas, basically) stagebox or Dante stagebox -- you can use it with Wing, and it will make switch to Wing cheaper
Samuel French I think they had recording and broadcast in mind more than the live realm when designing this console. It sounds very good and the quality of FX emulation is impressive, but being limited as a live audio engineer to 12 faders per bank is crippling in a full band scenario- however, wouldn’t hesitate to use it as the front end for a DAW. It does sound quite good.
I just purchased this unit new and I gotta say... I'm extremely concerned with the lack of explanation about DAW integration (Logic for me) and the fact that there is NO USERS MANUAL or PHONE SUPPORT. These two things kinds scare the H*ll out of me. Please @guitarcenter and @behringer open your mouth about these two issues. I made my purchase before I fully realized it doesn't have DAW support or any kind of operations manual or phone support. I ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO WAIT if either of these matter to you.
Dude Behringer posted a ton of videos on very specific things about Wing. Even idiot could fly with this console (no pun intended). Even by looking this video made by Guitar Center made me understand it. But even if it didn't i mean this is a mixing console. Yes it's advanced but all the fun goes to you when discovering everything. I mean you act like missing manual is a missing feature. It's not. Categorized videos are available and IMHO video is way more convenient to learn from then reading and looking at the pages and pages of manual. But they if you are scared by missing manual then don't buy this product. Plenty of other ones to choose from, with manuals..
Are you really that lost that you buy a 3000$ mixer without basic knowledge about mixers and daws ? Its has complete daw support, the fact that you're stupid and cant figure out basic midi controls doesnt take away the capabilities of the machine. Just call their support or pay up a real professional to setup this beast for you, the fact that you're out here in youtube comments asking for help is the cherry on the top of the "a fool and his money" routine.
Hmm.. Based on my limited knowledge, I dont think you can.. But what you can do is use the ultranet p16, and distributor to get many many outs (more than 32 total) to the instrumentalist, and each can tailor their own sound the way they want without it affecting the other musicians or FOH sound..
Well, there are two answers to this question: 1. Yes, you can using additional equipment, it might be quite pricey though. Options are stagebox with Ultranet output and P16 switch plus P16-M monitor mixers, or HUB4/DP48 products from Midas that work over AES50 protocol. 2. If you need 32 _different_ mixes, you most likely are doing something wrong. Work put in making so many different mixes likely won't pay off and if groups of musicians would share a mix -- each of them will get better mix in the end. If you're asking about setting up monitoring for 32 different musicians when some of them listen to same mix -- yes, that's totally possible and isn't hard at all.
Егор Калиничев Actually, I need 30 mixes, I have about 23 musicians, who like to make their own mix, this mixer would use it as a monitor mixer via Dante, however I need to have a different mix for each of them Because I have a monitor engineer who takes care of the band
@@andresmontero1654 At this scale of production and with demanding musicians like this, you probably should use something couple levels up from Behringer. If they aren't happy with sharing mix they won't be happy with tools and sound Wing gives them either.
looks great but I think it's too complicated and expensive when there's some great DAWS about with much cheaper break out mixers .. Behringer 's X touch comes to mind ... interesting to see if this actually has a real market out there ... As said very pretty ..but lets hear some mixed songs , after all that's what it's for !
these serve different purposes. Digital mixing desk like this one is most often for live applications, not for studio. No matter what Behringer says, yeah you can use it in studio, but why would you? Exactly for reasons you mentioned. Plus it's just 48kHz. Live, on the other hand, you can't mix 48 channels show in your DAW using 8 or 16-fader device. It's just not practical, workflow with these is not fast enough, controls aren't accessible enough. And I didn't even mention performance and price of PC running DAW. Ooops, I just did.
My thought, too slow to setup and too many possible places to screw up. I've worked at venues, and the bands change every night. Time is a valuable resource, I haven't got time to setup the inputs to faders etc. Ch 1 is ch1 and that's it. As a touring band's board this probably works great, but for me - no.
As one of said Mac users, I'll be angry at Apple for removing most fucking popular IO port to be able to sell more dongles. Sadly, I still need mac for work, because even with USB-C thing and stupid touchbar they are still best in the market. If there was any alternative at all, I would jump the ship so damn fast!
You have the ability to use 4 Stereo Master Buses. I use one for L/R Mains, one set to mono for my Subs, one for Broadcast, and one for Record. Those are then routed to Matrices to be distributed out as needed! This allows me to only send what I need to the appropriate mixes (MIX MINUS). Only low end channels to subs, crowd mics to Broadcast, etc...
Three technical advances released at least three years ago, so far have kept me from considering Behringer digital boards: 1- No 96 kHz sampling rate "Bob Katz also said: Yes and Daniel Weiss says it is easier to get filters with less coloration at higher sampling rates. This fact is just owing to the second half of Nyquist with the "infinite time" thing for perfect conversion." From: www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/599128-difference-between-44-1k-96k-insane.html Also in a shorter form mentioned at Bob's own site and writing; www.digido.com/ufaqs/jitter-digital-audio-cables-2496/ 2- No Thunderbolt 3 The below 3 ns roundtrip latency says it all. www.ultrabookreview.com/10579-laptops-thunderbolt-3/ 3- No ESS-9038 SABRE DACs (from 2016) www.esstech.com/index.php/en/news/newsroom/ess-technology-introduces-sabre-pro-series-dacs-setting-new-performance-bar-unprecedented-140-db-dynamic-range/ ///Uli should have learnt those three concepts already, but it seems with his synthesizers and the rest, he has still to come to full terms with DIGITAL development, particularly so in digital connectors. Probably will in some 5 or so years more, let's give him the benefit of doubt and keep waiting until then...
96khz is an audiofool myth. Most people can not hear above 20khz, and a lot of people, myself included can not hear above 16k, not that I would want to anyway. And any tiny difference in coloration is so small that you would not notice it anyway. Thunderbolt 3 simply is not very widespread and USB is more than good enough for audio as the actual amount of data that you are transferring is pretty small. Fancy dacs are yet another audiofool meme, they simply do not make a difference and 140db of dynamic range looks nice on a spec sheet but has no actual use in real life.
Fractal AxeFX tops out at 48kHz, and since that's become the new touring standard onstage, most live digital systems figure its good enough. Blame Fractal for being too $$$ conscious
Nacho (and Bob) make good points however, at 48k you can get audible artifacts from your processors, filters, etc not being able to 'Low Pass Out' the frequencies originally above 24kHz. By forcing them to downsample before LPF they can be audible, akin to higher order Harmonics, but in reverse. Instead of being a harmonic function (multiple) of the fundamental, they are an inverse function (root) and the frequencies sound rather unpleasant, difficult to mix around, and difficult to remove. I trust my meters as much as my ears, and I dont SRC on the fly, only after mastering. Ymmv
Yesterday after seeing Uli from Behringer display such a racist synthesizer depicting Peter Kirn of CDM, how could any us none racist musicians ever buy their products again ?
Everything was fine, until you made the drum track red! No! Drums are yellow, bass is red, guitars are green, vocals are magenta, keys are light blue or cyan, wind instruments are brown.
@@alexv4907 Yeah dude I know, I'm an audio engineer for living. This is just the way I see them. I used this color coding method in Pro Tools, and now I've been using it in live mixing for years. I always (internally) freak out, when someone is using different colors.
Hm. More physical inputs wold better for such size desk. New approach to design definetely kills amount of options when it can be used. Don't like use stage boxes, they droupout often. For recording wise, studio installation it's not bad at all. I think behringer don't see how people used older generation. You see that producers became more expensive lately. If go bigger, wider desk, better look on different brands.
Using that argument, theres no one single brand that doesnt make crap at all, like, you cant use a Yamaha PSR-E223 electronic keyboard in order to play a Chopin sonata, or a steinway piano to make electronic music. Plus they normally make really cheap stuff, perfect for the people that dont want to kill someone in order to get a piece of gear...
Alex V not answering the question. Also, extremely old spec (USB 3.0 has been out since before 2012), and the bandwidth thing is a huge issue, when working with daws.
@@NeonPLotus Simply because you're still not hitting the bandwidth limit of usb 2.0 even with sending 40 ch 48kHz/24bit audio channels. So why invest in more expensive hardware if you don't have to?
I think what really got me was having the ability to map stereo channels into one fader 🙌🏼
check out allen and heath then. its in their sq series and dlive. i dont know about avantis, but i would be certain its there too. i dont know then qu series, but i dont like that series anyway :)
@@Firby007 fellow SQ user I'm seeing that separate EQ mix as money
@@Firby007 even back in the day of the yamaha 0296 you could layer stereo linked faders vertically instead of horizontally. basically the same thing.
By far the best overview. Thanks so much.
thats a beautiful device! wow it looks so great and perfectly balanced ❤
I use a x32 and that's great but this one... It's revolutionary...
Man is slowly improving on technology, and still a long way to go.
William Percival New Zealand Gardenia Band 🇨🇰 Kia Orana
THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL! I am buying one!!!!!
JK COVINGTON you’re actually right. Lol . Thanks man
Wish I needed this.
Damn i like everything about this mixer, my old and not so trusty dxx3216 is about to give upp, this looks like a nice upgrade.
1:43 WOW thats cool!
The session loaded sounded already heavily mixed and processed prior. I am not sure if that mix/processing was done somewhere else or on the behringer console. A good demo would have been to show raw tracks mixed and process only with the console . I am trying to find some video that demos the quality of the mixer and its onboard fx / hardware emulation plugins.
Very very very nice consol ❤
My dream console one day 🤩
Anyone else feel like the tape graphic is almost a 1:1 copy of the OP-1's tape GUI?
I loved!
i cant get this routed into my daw... do a video of that asap.. oh yeah im working in logic pro x
Want to follow this. Same problem
We like Behringer instruments. But in Rwanda we lost it. The our Ampli mixer KX 1200 was oldest also it is not other replacing.
It is very interesting to compare the quality of the audio path with midas m32
Most sources are usually mono and for the few stereophonic ones, as keyboards, electronic drums or the acoustic drums' I can live with link them.
Ok, a virtual querty keyboard makes naming channels and scenes easier, touch screen is easier too, but beside this, why should I take this instead a x32?
More channels, more outputs and more control.
You can use the different modelled compressors and eq's on EVERY channel.
Big game changer if you can use LA-2A style compressors on a bunch of vocalists without taking up space in the effects rack.
Where is the wing co pilot app?
Sandpiper R&D out of Nantucket
Different game altogether, thanks 🙏 bro!
With the copilot app, it would be great to integrate an AI copilot for naming sources
Hello, the WING has TWO DCA buttons. One button in the DCA department and one button in the MAIN OUTPUT department. The button in the MAIN OUTPUT department, does it have the same function as the DCA button in the DCA department?
Kyyyyyyyle! You're a big boy now! Spoolin on the tube
What school would I have to go to in order to learn how to use this thing
RUclips University!!!
How does this sound quality wise? Does it sound as good as an Allen and heath sq? I know the old x32 did not sound very good in my opinion especially when trying to use it’s on board processing.
@JK COVINGTON well, there are Midas preamps and "Midas preamps". Behringer products have the latter, and Midas M32 products are closer to them rather than to real Midas preamps. The highly-desireable Disney-exclusive and all that are on Midas PRO desks, new Midas Heritage-D, analog Midas consoles. Those are Steinway, and this isn't even Yamaha.
Still, preamps are definitely not the most important part of Wing sound: we have 8 (e-i-g-h-t) preamps on board, this is for ambience mic, RTA mic, extra talkbacks, whatever. Nobody is doing the show on these, real inputs are on stagebox, and we have AES50 built-in, Dante card available (or will be available soon), so we can get ANY preamps we want. Same goes for A/D conversion, it will happen on stagebox, so you can pick what sounds best.
Important part of Wing sound is its internal processing, and in this department Wing kicks x32-series' ass (including M32 too): it has five times more processing power, and software is 7 years newer than what x32 has (plus new "premium" effects might be good, didn't listen to those yet), so we have all reasons to assume it will sound better.
I'm thinking of buying it too!
But I have some doubts
If you given that you already have it could solve some doubts!
1) Does the purchase already include an audio interface?
2) Are the converters good?
3) Latency times in live recording?
4) Does it have DSP technology as well as internal effects?
5) I would like to use it together with Cubase 11 to possibly exploit its internal power so as not to stress the CPU of my computer, as if it were a digital mixer but also full controller is it feasible or do you need to buy other expansions or have a powerful computer?
6) Having already purchased some plugins, can I use them while recording and mixing from Wing?
7) Is the Wing live card included by default or must it be purchased separately?
Thanks!
Mixed thoughts about this console. First of all, touch screen - finally! Visually, looks nice but a bit like a toy. Also an excuse to trimming the fat by taking away material, I wouldn’t want to lean on it out of a flightcase and custom case now needed for its new design. More money.
Don’t like how there’s less inputs and outputs on the back, forcing a new owner to buy the outboard digital stage box. Plus the Midas preamps become obsolete when you use Behringer’s S16/32 so what’s the point. Nice amount of FX, more inputs, outputs etc always a plus. No mention of a USB plug in so how do I load show files or save them to stick.
I've rarely come across anyone using X32 and M32 without a digital stagebox. What added most to the cost of M32 was the preamps, and if you end up using stageboxes, they almost become obsolete. Me and many others who commented when Behringer reached out for feedback for a potential new mixer, asked for them to get rid of most of the inputs and outputs to reduce the cost. Luckily they left some of the inputs, because many tend to have some kind of input (wireless mics, PC-audio, talkback mic etc.) closer to where the mixer is placed, and because they got rid of the 8-block routing, you can use them however you want. I think this is the perfect compromise.
wow, just beautiful!!
can this control third party plugins via DAW?
This thing is amazing... I wish I could afford it. Anyone want to buy me one 😝
AWESOME
Can i know,insert for perchannel or all input/output can insert in same time? Tq
That’s very interesting 🧐
Where to turn on the light in the back panel?
Why did they not put M2 slots for NVMe memory sticks rather than SD Cards? Best why not just stick a 1Tb on on the board somewhere and a slot for another for backups? It only goes to 48 kHz same as the ADA8200, (I have one) pity cos for a studio they would usually want atleast 96.
this is amazing..
where are the 48 Inputs on the back ??? My X32 has 32 Inputs on the backside, why Behringer can say 'Wing 48-Channel' it must be 'Wing 8-Channel'
@@colinhough9434 X32 full version has 32 midas inputs and 16 outputs, to use the wing in full range you have to buy an S32, but i think 32+8=40 isn't it ??? I never spoke about X32 rack, but u r wrong again, X32-rack has 32 inputs and 16 outputs and it's meant to be used with a mixer of your choice for expanding ?!?!?!?
@@colinhough9434 jupp, u can handle x32-rack with x32 edit, but please forget my comment, it will be endless if we don't stop. thanx for writing. All i wanted to say is, that if u buy a wing u will have a very large 8 channel mixer not really worth the prize, without an S32.
@@isaakkelterer I like my S32 because I have an X32 front of house and a X32 compact for monitors. I assume that they are trying to fade out larger consoles and forcing digital stage boxes. Plus cat5 is much easier to run than a 32x8 splitter snake.
@@cblade007 ??????????????
@@isaakkelterer I'm just saying that you are right about the wing. Not worth it without the S32 or DL32.
A wing é uma mesa confiável? A wing é uma mesa que aguenta estrada, tipo, é uma mesa confiável como a M32 LIVE DA MIDAS?
Let's say we are switching from the x32 over to the Wing 48.
Are we able to backup our config from our x32 and import it into the Wing 48 and it imports our settings and setup?
Yes do tell!
There is a program available that lets you do this
is there a mixer that can be controlled from APP, Requirement is to enable and disable input from the app.
that’s the ons
Stroka!
But how long does behringer expect the parts and components begin to degrade. As compared to a analog mixer?
This piece of equipment looks absolutely beautiful and must sound great but it's digital and if or when exposed to the elements(heat and cold) it will degrade faster than analog.
Just saying...
It's possible to conect two midas DL32 at time to the console ? And have full control ?
You could do 3 if you wanted! Giving you 96 XLR ins if you had 48 Stereo sources!!!
All EQs ever must be powerfull
Behringer make Wing compact version
Hi please help me or show us how to set up subwoofer saveperate control the volume sub only. Please i am really need help. Thank you for the video .
Set your subs up on an Aux bus or one of the 4 Master bus's or a Matrix
Is it possible to recall snapshots via midi or assign softkeys for calling next snapshot?
Can I assign softkeys to launch example midi notes so I can fire cues using console midi out to qlab on mac.?
This is very critical function when using console like this in theather.
No it’s not critical. Just take your time to inspect it the more you practice it the more you discover. Good luck mate
@@lawlothegradiator7723 I have found what I was looking for and its called Allen&Heath SQ console. It can do everything needed and more. I tried to get answers about this wing console and all I get is comments where answer is needed. Ask a question about Allen&Heath and I get answers. It just tells about profession we are dealing with here.
If anyone is looking a console in a same price take a look this SQ console.
@@kosmikmusa it costs how much bro ? And does it have all those effects?
@@lawlothegradiator7723 Its hard to say how to compare the price. Overall the Allen&Heath SQ series is more capable what comes working with audio. There is Dante and Waves card available to SQ series. And talking about effects you can´t judge by the look.
Can multiple displays be connected / used?
I use a Raspberry Pi running the WING Edit App to give me a secondary monitor and separate control!
I want the flexability you've sold me on........
Buy an SQ from Allen & Heath if you want it to sound good
Does it sound like all behringer mixers?
sure 😂😂😂
@@andreirlmeier Behringer tem dois produtos que prestam. Amp de fone e DI de rack. O resto...
Sick.. Love this board already but...How do we use intranet on this with no ultranet port? Is routing done the same way?
Ultranet would be possible via one of the stageboxes, the SD series having multiple powered ultranet outputs.
I would expect that a new version of the P16 will switch to Stage Connect.
The other option is the Midas DP48/HUB4 setup, more advanced than the P16, two separate mixes so one unit can be shared between two musicians and the HUB4 is a no brainer if you have wireless IEM's
@@dglcomputers1498 hmm.. Thats an interesting prediction on the stageConnect.. I didn't think of it that way.. If so..Perhaps the P16 can be a p32 or even 40 with layers to get more channels in without having to group..
Thanks your your help.. I'll have to see what the firmware options are for the ultranet when I get it..
How to reset EQ?
reset it :)
I am going to get one and bring it with me to Africa🇬🇭
Beautiful product, and quite reasonable at 3500$ for a motorized Mixer board for the small studio. For the HOME studio though, it's quite pricey, maybe make a non-motorized version for a lot less?
digital mixer with non-motorized faders is pretty much useless for any real work, and even if they wanted to do one -- workflow with non-motorized faders is different from one with motorized faders desk, so it would have to be completely different device, it's not as easy as "just do the same but install different faders"
Your question clearly displays that you shouldn’t even bother buying a digital desk as you obviously have no idea what your talking aboutz
@@TheGameCamer360 And your comment helped us learn something how?
@@joonglegamer9898 Helped you not to try giving advice about what version of product Behringer should make?
@@egork92 I have 30+ years in electronics design, your comment didn't help either, try to come up with an actual technical explanation why you think so?
Is it that difficult to play some sounds while editing ? This is the third video I watch without any music.
Then you'd complain about not being able to hear him explain what he's doing because the music would be too loud or you don't like the music they chose. Can't please anybody.
Just be happy you got a video that demonstrates how to use the mixer.
Can you still only insert one effect per channel/bus? It really makes no sense to limit it like that. It takes no more processing power to put 3 inserts on one channel than 3 inserts on 3 channels. Also, forcing ppl to use an effect bay to get a graphic EQ on each monitor out is ridiculous. Even the x-air has a native graph on the outs. I hope you guys fixed that blaring oversight.
so is dante built in? that’s what he said but i’m also hearing that you need to buy a card
a future card not yet ready
ya, Dante can be ordered from the factory internally so you can have Dante while keeping the SD-card recorder in the expansion card slot
@@magoostus not today it is a marketing promise in the future to pay extra once the firmware and hardware becomes a real part.
@@Douglas-jr2pf worth waiting for, unlike waiting for 96khz :P
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How does this compare to the Midas M32?
Significantly more flexible with a lot more features, more input and output channels and options, more fx. M32 has the same software as the x32.
Stephen Evans So, why would anyone go for the M32 now as the Wing costs less? I guess the 10 year warranty on the M32 would be the only reason?
@@samuelfrench80 if you wanted something simpler and you wanted to know it had Midas faders, and maybe if you didn't want to use a digital stagebox then you might still get one. This is a lot more advanced and looks a lot more flexible though!
@@samuelfrench80 M32 has usable amount of onboard IO, you can actually do a show on it. Wing needs stagebox for real work, so you need to include it in the price.
Good thing is that if you already have AES50 (Behringer or Midas, basically) stagebox or Dante stagebox -- you can use it with Wing, and it will make switch to Wing cheaper
Samuel French I think they had recording and broadcast in mind more than the live realm when designing this console.
It sounds very good and the quality of FX emulation is impressive, but being limited as a live audio engineer to 12 faders per bank is crippling in a full band scenario- however, wouldn’t hesitate to use it as the front end for a DAW. It does sound quite good.
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I just purchased this unit new and I gotta say... I'm extremely concerned with the lack of explanation about DAW integration (Logic for me) and the fact that there is NO USERS MANUAL or PHONE SUPPORT. These two things kinds scare the H*ll out of me. Please @guitarcenter and @behringer open your mouth about these two issues. I made my purchase before I fully realized it doesn't have DAW support or any kind of operations manual or phone support. I ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO WAIT if either of these matter to you.
Dude Behringer posted a ton of videos on very specific things about Wing. Even idiot could fly with this console (no pun intended). Even by looking this video made by Guitar Center made me understand it.
But even if it didn't i mean this is a mixing console. Yes it's advanced but all the fun goes to you when discovering everything. I mean you act like missing manual is a missing feature. It's not. Categorized videos are available and IMHO video is way more convenient to learn from then reading and looking at the pages and pages of manual. But they if you are scared by missing manual then don't buy this product. Plenty of other ones to choose from, with manuals..
Are you really that lost that you buy a 3000$ mixer without basic knowledge about mixers and daws ?
Its has complete daw support, the fact that you're stupid and cant figure out basic midi controls doesnt take away the capabilities of the machine.
Just call their support or pay up a real professional to setup this beast for you, the fact that you're out here in youtube comments asking for help is the cherry on the top of the "a fool and his money" routine.
hi Guys. Can u send 32 buses? For 32 Diferent Musicians? Thx!
Hmm.. Based on my limited knowledge, I dont think you can.. But what you can do is use the ultranet p16, and distributor to get many many outs (more than 32 total) to the instrumentalist, and each can tailor their own sound the way they want without it affecting the other musicians or FOH sound..
Nope, sounds like it has 16 busses
Well, there are two answers to this question:
1. Yes, you can using additional equipment, it might be quite pricey though. Options are stagebox with Ultranet output and P16 switch plus P16-M monitor mixers, or HUB4/DP48 products from Midas that work over AES50 protocol.
2. If you need 32 _different_ mixes, you most likely are doing something wrong. Work put in making so many different mixes likely won't pay off and if groups of musicians would share a mix -- each of them will get better mix in the end.
If you're asking about setting up monitoring for 32 different musicians when some of them listen to same mix -- yes, that's totally possible and isn't hard at all.
Егор Калиничев Actually, I need 30 mixes, I have about 23 musicians, who like to make their own mix, this mixer would use it as a monitor mixer via Dante, however I need to have a different mix for each of them Because I have a monitor engineer who takes care of the band
@@andresmontero1654 At this scale of production and with demanding musicians like this, you probably should use something couple levels up from Behringer. If they aren't happy with sharing mix they won't be happy with tools and sound Wing gives them either.
looks great but I think it's too complicated and expensive when there's some great DAWS about with much cheaper break out mixers .. Behringer 's X touch comes to mind ... interesting to see if this actually has a real market out there ... As said very pretty ..but lets hear some mixed songs , after all that's what it's for !
these serve different purposes. Digital mixing desk like this one is most often for live applications, not for studio. No matter what Behringer says, yeah you can use it in studio, but why would you? Exactly for reasons you mentioned. Plus it's just 48kHz.
Live, on the other hand, you can't mix 48 channels show in your DAW using 8 or 16-fader device. It's just not practical, workflow with these is not fast enough, controls aren't accessible enough. And I didn't even mention performance and price of PC running DAW. Ooops, I just did.
Jesus Christ, Kyle. Who told you that was a good idea?
Looks like 5:35 gave you a bit of trouble adjusting the envelope parameters...didn’t look very intuitive there...
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Still prefure analog mixers. But that's my personal opinion .
Ok Boomer.
My thought, too slow to setup and too many possible places to screw up.
I've worked at venues, and the bands change every night. Time is a valuable resource,
I haven't got time to setup the inputs to faders etc. Ch 1 is ch1 and that's it.
As a touring band's board this probably works great, but for me - no.
That's what templates are for.
@@iamaviolin no.
Just speaking of Dante do you know how to with other same daw just try harder
Lol 'technical support'
Aye right
I don’t see any USB-C, Mac users can be angry to bring dongles
As one of said Mac users, I'll be angry at Apple for removing most fucking popular IO port to be able to sell more dongles. Sadly, I still need mac for work, because even with USB-C thing and stupid touchbar they are still best in the market. If there was any alternative at all, I would jump the ship so damn fast!
Behringer has got to have the worst webhosting on the planet - they must be running off a severely overloaded shared-hosting package or something lol
They're probably stealing it from someone else, like they do about half their designs.
Where is the master fader?
iirc, wherever you want it
You have the ability to use 4 Stereo Master Buses. I use one for L/R Mains, one set to mono for my Subs, one for Broadcast, and one for Record. Those are then routed to Matrices to be distributed out as needed! This allows me to only send what I need to the appropriate mixes (MIX MINUS). Only low end channels to subs, crowd mics to Broadcast, etc...
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Three technical advances released at least three years ago, so far have kept me from considering Behringer digital boards:
1- No 96 kHz sampling rate
"Bob Katz also said:
Yes and Daniel Weiss says it is easier to get filters with less coloration at higher sampling rates. This fact is just owing to the second half of Nyquist with the "infinite time" thing for perfect conversion."
From:
www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/599128-difference-between-44-1k-96k-insane.html
Also in a shorter form mentioned at Bob's own site and writing; www.digido.com/ufaqs/jitter-digital-audio-cables-2496/
2- No Thunderbolt 3
The below 3 ns roundtrip latency says it all.
www.ultrabookreview.com/10579-laptops-thunderbolt-3/
3- No ESS-9038 SABRE DACs (from 2016)
www.esstech.com/index.php/en/news/newsroom/ess-technology-introduces-sabre-pro-series-dacs-setting-new-performance-bar-unprecedented-140-db-dynamic-range/
///Uli should have learnt those three concepts already, but it seems with his synthesizers and the rest, he has still to come to full terms with DIGITAL development, particularly so in digital connectors.
Probably will in some 5 or so years more, let's give him the benefit of doubt and keep waiting until then...
The A/D resolution is 24-bit/192kHz. USB sampling rate is 24-bit/48kHz, by far the most commonly used sampling rate next to 44kHz.
96khz is an audiofool myth. Most people can not hear above 20khz, and a lot of people, myself included can not hear above 16k, not that I would want to anyway. And any tiny difference in coloration is so small that you would not notice it anyway.
Thunderbolt 3 simply is not very widespread and USB is more than good enough for audio as the actual amount of data that you are transferring is pretty small.
Fancy dacs are yet another audiofool meme, they simply do not make a difference and 140db of dynamic range looks nice on a spec sheet but has no actual use in real life.
Fractal AxeFX tops out at 48kHz, and since that's become the new touring standard onstage, most live digital systems figure its good enough.
Blame Fractal for being too $$$ conscious
@@BuildYourOwnBass that is good enough though. There is no point going above 48khz seeing as how most people can't hear above 20khz anyway.
Nacho (and Bob) make good points however, at 48k you can get audible artifacts from your processors, filters, etc not being able to 'Low Pass Out' the frequencies originally above 24kHz. By forcing them to downsample before LPF they can be audible, akin to higher order Harmonics, but in reverse.
Instead of being a harmonic function (multiple) of the fundamental, they are an inverse function (root) and the frequencies sound rather unpleasant, difficult to mix around, and difficult to remove. I trust my meters as much as my ears, and I dont SRC on the fly, only after mastering. Ymmv
No pilot app tho... and absolutely no explanation or release dates 😤
Yesterday after seeing Uli from Behringer display such a racist synthesizer depicting Peter Kirn of CDM, how could any us none racist musicians ever buy their products again ?
Everything was fine, until you made the drum track red! No! Drums are yellow, bass is red, guitars are green, vocals are magenta, keys are light blue or cyan, wind instruments are brown.
There is no standardization for this. lol
@@alexv4907 Yeah dude I know, I'm an audio engineer for living. This is just the way I see them. I used this color coding method in Pro Tools, and now I've been using it in live mixing for years. I always (internally) freak out, when someone is using different colors.
Drums are red, bass dark blue/violet, guit green, keys orange, winds yellow, vox pink, pads light blue :)
Drum red,Bass Blue,Band Yellow,Vocal Magenta,whatever suits you sir......
guys you're obviously not real metal.
drums are black,
bass is black,
guitar is black,
keys are black
vox are black
Hm. More physical inputs wold better for such size desk. New approach to design definetely kills amount of options when it can be used. Don't like use stage boxes, they droupout often. For recording wise, studio installation it's not bad at all. I think behringer don't see how people used older generation. You see that producers became more expensive lately. If go bigger, wider desk, better look on different brands.
like Chinese Aritmatic...way way too complicated...typical German overkill....
sorry big spoiler....... dont spend your money on this shitty lighting console buy an sq7!
This is an audio console, not a lighting console
@@colinhough9434 lol
Behringer makes CRAP!!!!!
Using that argument, theres no one single brand that doesnt make crap at all, like, you cant use a Yamaha PSR-E223 electronic keyboard in order to play a Chopin sonata, or a steinway piano to make electronic music. Plus they normally make really cheap stuff, perfect for the people that dont want to kill someone in order to get a piece of gear...
Why is it just USB 2, though? The bandwidth of that spec is atrocious.
Fine for most audio applications.
Alex V not answering the question. Also, extremely old spec (USB 3.0 has been out since before 2012), and the bandwidth thing is a huge issue, when working with daws.
@@NeonPLotus Simply because you're still not hitting the bandwidth limit of usb 2.0 even with sending 40 ch 48kHz/24bit audio channels.
So why invest in more expensive hardware if you don't have to?
davidgiga1993 how much more expensive could usb 3.0 actually be?
It’s an open protocol
Stop making excuses for their laziness
@@NeonPLotus The chips are simply more expensive and as mentioned there is no technical reason for it. Or what do you think would be better with 3.0?