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The Seven Qiraat Demonstrate the Quran was Not Preserved | Quran Variants
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- Опубликовано: 30 дек 2018
- Was the Quran preserved? No. I am going to share a clip from a discussion I had with my friend Abdullah Gondal on the preservation of the Quran.
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CORRECTION: At 9:12 We made a mistake. يُقَتِّلُونَ does not mean "they fought"; it actually means "they killed", just as "يَقْتُلُونَ" does. The meaning is the same in both verses, regardless of the word being used.
The ones that do know often downplay it and say the meaning doesn't change - much. But the fact that differences even exist should raise eyebrows.
How did we end up here? According to the hadith, Allah revealed the Quran in 7 dialects of Arabia to make it easy for memorizing, but then it ended up causing more confusion and problems after Muhammad died, so Uthman was forced to destroy all the variants, but still some trivial differences were left and that's how we got the 10 qiraat.
Does that make any sense?
We're not talking differences in manuscripts here, that's a whole other can of worms. These differences are all in agreed upon variations of the Quran today.
The preservation of the Quran is dubious. What we see are not trivial differences, and is exactly what we would expect to see with a book that was NOT preserved properly. Differences in letters, additional words or words missing.
The fracturing of a book in this manner is exactly what we would expect to find with an oral tradition that was not written down, and a book not preserved properly.
The so called hadith which said the Quran was REVEALED in 7 dialects came 200-300 years after Muhammad, and was probably fabricated for damage control. How else would you explain this book being perfect and also there being multiple versions of it.
In conclusion, the Quran was not preserved. The differences we see today are exactly what we would expect to see with a book that was NOT preserved properly. Please check out our full discussion on was the Quran preserved for more details.
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It's a few hours to 2019 and the world is going through drastic changes. As larger sects of humanity gain access to technology such as the internet people are starting to research and think critically for themselves. The local imam or priest are no longer doing the thinking for everyone. The ex-muslim movement is only going to grow bigger and faster in the upcoming years. May humanity shift from religion to enlightenment....Keep up the great work, happy new years to you and your loved ones!
Kush Sareen I still trust my Bible too many fulfilled prophecies to be considered man made
@Low I.Q. Researcher you know the guy you mention above is a non muslim non christian (atheist maybe?) right? And you are basically agreeing to shift from "religion to enlightenment".. so whom is the low IQ again you need to research?
Low I.Q. Researcher Kush Sareen
The Internet won't be end of religion or your salvation like what you think, it's actually the other way round.
The preachers and imams are now using Internet and technology to spread their message and clarify all the doubts. That's how I learnt about Islam and how to answer most of the doubts I had
@@sameernairthamburatty4484 I'm afraid you're wrong. You're only speaking about a handful of English-speaking individuals like yourself who wish to believe in Islam. Ex-Muslims are becoming the norm in Iran, Turkey, and the Maghreb. The faith will soon collapse in Egypt and Bangladesh, following those regions. Doubts?? You can clarify your doubts as to whether the Qur'an is the speech of a god, in this case the god of Abraham, but the future is not bright for Islam. Spare me the 1.7 billion figure, it's just a population tally of a bunch of countries, with estimates from India and the West thrown in there. The number of ex-Muslims is rising so quickly in my country, Kerala.
@@sameernairthamburatty4484 "The preachers and imams are now using Internet and technology to spread their message and clarify all the doubts." They are indoctrinating buffoons. I can't believe that any self-respecting individual would listen to this ulema propaganda, and Yasir Qadhi leads the pack.
Why would Allah reveal a revelation in Arabic if at the time it lacked vowels? The brilliant wisdom of Allah I suppose
Stephen Howe it didn't lack vowels, the vowels were always there in spoken form and all the variations in written form are just synonyms of each other, like the difference between concentrate and focus, or the difference between nationality and citizenship .
@@sameernairthamburatty4484 :
_and all the variations in written form are just synonyms of each other_
No. That is a weaker concept. The Warsh is different from the Hafs, sufficiently different that meaning is actually different. If if was unchanged, I would expect the Arabic to be identical. And it is not.
From what I understand, the Birmingham Quranic manuscript has no vowel marks, and the lower text of the Sanaa manuscript has none either.
@@stephenhowe4107
Right..but thats the Quran as it was revealed in the one way of that time of the person who wrote it..now if you calm doen that hitler blood full of rage and hate..you will learn that it is exactly trure what he said to you...we want to Mecca and Medina where some Holy People and Scholars had all 7 of the dialects and one scholar learns it in one and the other in the other for the past 43 years and they say that there is no difference in the meaning of the Quran or the message ...if Allah tells you in one to go Recite the Quran or to Read the Quran rhey have concluded that this has not chsnged the meaning of any of the Qurans at all what so ever...but just brought oeace in the peoples hearts at that time who were a bit to proud of their own Dialects as we people of today still are but not even 1% as they were .
Why are you trying to argye a matter of witch you kbow nothing of...of witch you have not enoufh knowledge and info about ? why not sit back and listen and learn then just then conclude .I could see the way you talk that your not any older then 15 to 18 maybeeee 20 years old and trust me when you will get older you will regret for being this way and not wanting to understand and listen to a people who just know about theur own religion much more then you..trust me on that kido .
@@myname7558 you talk like a kindergarten kid. Maybe they are better in English
Osama bin Bush, that is utter nonsense. It makes as much sense as the sun sinking in a muddy spring (one of the scientific claims in the Koran). Do better for yourself - throw out the nonsense. Have you any evidence that Allah directed any of the whims of Mohammed. You only believe it because you have not yet analysed it freely.
Allah saying that the quran being revealed in seven dialects to make recitation easier, but the different recitations giving rise to confusion and fights , so uthman had to step in and order preservation in quresh dialect only, but didn't allah foresaw this confusion would occur in the first place ??
You can't question God's wisdom. You have to see and know EVERYTHING first before you put yourself in this position. You can only infer why but you need to gain more knowledge with that, and it seems that you barren here.
@@thirst4knowledge124 u have no proof that whatever in the Quran is God's wisdom though...any evidence?
It seems that uthman has more wisdom than allah himself. LOL
ruclips.net/video/8hj7u0F3yEg/видео.html this video explains it very simply.
Oooh my Sheeps
You following a fake Word of mine
John, Lucas, Matthew, Marcus, Peter and people who called themselves as a students of my
They are a Liar
And not real
But Devil make a Fake historical Heritage and Sorcering it became looks like those liar's staff
Anyone else here after the Yasir Qardi /Muhammad Hijab scandal?
Islam is a made up religion. No basis in fact. How long can this travesty go on.
Wasnt preserved properly. Was not God himself guarding it. Unchanged and complete since the first century of Islam. Where is this so called perfect complete unchanged guarded by God book? Show it to us. Ah I know the fairies hid it. What a load of baloney. There is no book. The Crown Prince has said over 92% of the hadiths cannot be relied upon and has rejected wahabism. Islam has finally been discovered as a hoax. We have the proof.
Listening to that clown LOLOL. You couldnt make it up.
Why couldn't allah just drop down thousands of copies from the sky all around the world instead of making humanity rely on guys who didn't even have a pen and paper
FalcaoXTZ My husband was taught in majid that people didn’t even have any form to write down or record anything back then. 😑
Alexis Jankowski is your husband still muslim then?
Or even better: Why not automatically plant the divine message into the mind of every human being as soon as they are born? But, no, that would be far too logical and surely, an almighty creator would not be capable of doing so, despite it being exactly what he wants to achieve!
@@InfiniteDeckhand
Why not make everyone smart and not go through exams?
@@yellowbeez93 Why not you stop asking something dumb. This life is a test to see who follows the right path and who doesn't. The one's who don't follow the right path belong in Jahannum (Hellfire).
So Uthman had to fix Allah's error?
That's what I'm wondering
Bête Politique Allah didn't make any error. Osman only fixed the errors and mistakes of the people
Satya Murthy Mk I don't have time to waste with trolls who copy and paste anti Islam website. But I don't mind briefly responding to your ridiculous fake news and conspiracy theories. If you're going to spread fabricated fake quotes or give credit of fake news to decent historians like Tabari, then I will respond with my own fake news to get revenge for what you did;
Satya Murthy Mk: "Kidnap and rape all mus1im girls, starting from Kashmir!"
Satya Murthy Mk's RSS boss: "Torture all children of Muslims and eat them for dinner!"
Satya Murthy's right hand man: "drill holes in Muslim men's eyes and drown them in acid!"
Concubinage in Islamic civilisation is a type of domestic partner relationship where the woman who lost her home and family in the chaos of war agrees to consent to live with a Muslim man in a boyfriend girlfriend relationship, where the girlfriend is under the legal custody of the boyfriend, so that she doesn't have to suffer from poverty starvation and begging and survival prostitutuion like what your fellow secularists the Americans have done to millions of Middle East women today. In a few decades from now, during and after the wars on the Indian subcontinent, inshallah the Muslims starting from Northwest border of India, will also adopt lakhs or millions of ladies from Hindutva families to live as consenting girlfriends in the houses of Muslim men who love them and care for them. Right now there is no such thing as "love G-had" like what you RSS/BJP zealots claim, but in the future after the revival of neo-Comcubinage, your granddaughters generation of females will be begging to become girlfriends of Muslims.
@@sameernairthamburatty4484 Allah is the weakest almighty god there is, he/she can't even keep people from messing up his message.
poor allah, but his intentions were good, performance was bad.
Abdullah Sameer is a real modern day hero. The amount of time and effort he spends in making these videos will soon pay off. There are a lot of people questioning their faith because of his style of approach. This is how someone needs to educate our fellow human beings from the dangers of mass delusion. I hope people follow his method of approaching subjects like this and influence people to think and evaluate their beliefs. Thank you sir.
Thanks
@@AbdullahSameerVideos I am a ismaili like you were and I curse you
@@researchopenly4025 I am sure that is not why he is doing this.
@@magicalgold010 I fart in your general direction!
Lolz
Biggest LOL ever! Even though I am not a 'master' or 'scholar' in this subject and area of knowledge, I can easily refute his claims and so-called 'evidences'. If he's being genuine with his intention of seeking the truth, he won't easily post and spread videos like this. Instead, he'll make a relentless effort in digging the true knowledge, sources and eventually the truth. These 'claims' of him have been made so many times but sadly, his 'efforts' are just finding materials off the internet from the comfort of his house. Since I'm currently occupied with my study in MSc Molecular Genetics & Diagnostics, I don't have the time to make any reaction videos with inshaallah authentic sources and knowledge on this. One day inshaallah. And I hope Abdullah Sameer will not just keep waiting for my reaction videos. Hope he'll find the patience and guidance in finding the truths as well. As of right now, all I can see this man is doing it just for the views and profits.
Wait a minute.. if Arabic is so much of a sensitive language that even the most minute of mispronunciations of words can change the meanings of said words.
Then how can the Muslims claim that the Quran was preserved yet are revealed in *7 DIFFERENT DIALECTS???*
So you mean 7 different spoken, not written dialects then?
Because it was known as Muslims have documented every teacher and QUIRA-AT and all there students we have a data base as detailed as that of the modern day CIA and KGB and all these forms of recitations can be traced back to AHRUF that were sanctioned and endorsed by the prophet himself . What’s busting your asses is that you do NOT have that methodology as it relates to the preservation of the Bible and those involved in the copying of biblical manuscripts your player hating .....here is a question give me the names and personal information of just three copyist of the Bible well it’s as impossible as you telling me what the fuck Jesus did when he was 17 years old it’s much easer in fact having Jesus come off that paper cross singing NAIL ME DADDY .... now moving on all this shit Christians are pulling out of there stretched anuses is old news to us Islamic scholars have made this a separate science called ULAM-AL-QUIRA-AT as it relates o the dotting of Quran that to is a separate science in Islamic sciences called..... ILM -AL -RASM we can tell you the detailed history of the dotting the how the why and the WHO as it was .....now specializing in just one aspect of dotting was abu Aswad al duali ..... Nasir ibn asim .....and ... yahya ibn yamur by the wayAbdullah ibn Umar son of Umar bin al khataab disliked this but the majority loved it aS it helped in pronunciation listen Christian prince this Christian Arab idiot has no knowledge of this he though a native Arabic speaker never took up or is Aware of basic Arabic gramatical rules but he has all u assholes believing he is a gramatarian of Arabic he does not know shit .... moving on it was...... AL KHALIL ibn ASMAD who introduced traditional vowel signs into Arabic orthography we have over a 1,000 years of study on this it’s nothing new you son of bitches have only seen the door but u have not opened it
Infact christian orientalist scholars knew of these vast sciences on the subject .... Bernard Lewis wrote: from an early date Muslim scholars recognized the danger of false testimony and hence false doctrine and developed therefore an advanced science different from modern historical source critiques as they have always differed on evaluations of traditional on the authenticity and accuracy of ancient manuscripts but the Islamic careful meticulous scrutiny of chains of transmission and the careful collection of manuscripts and variants give the mid evil historiography a professionalism and sophistication without precedent without parallel in the west ..... the Latin Christendom by comparison seems poor and meager and even the more advanced and complex historiography of Greek christisDUM still falls short in volume accuracy and depth .....so Islamic cholsrship has looked on this subject in depth and carefully and in consensus agreed Quran is unblemished as a result its authenticity veracity remaining untouched and uneffected while the same could not be said of the New Testament listen do you think Bart e Ehermon is out on an island by himself he’ll no he is merely voicing what Christian critical scholarship has been saying for centuries read John mills fellow at queens college oxford said after his 30 year study called the mills apparatus where he chronicales ....30,000 mistakes and variants complete with connected contradictions in the N.T...... R.Bently master at trinity college England said textus receptus should be abandoned completely B.E. Westcott many others said shit can the new excrement all together
Now go watch a video called .... IS THE QURAN PRESERVED? Reading a Quran from the prophets time .... Adnan Rashid who is reading from the Birmingham manuscript said to be the most ancient Quran dating back almost to the life time of the prophet watch as he compares it to the latest Qurans in circulation through out the world ..... give this to the cave man faced animal who post these videos
Listen the New Testament and the religion it excreted are products of criminality as it used the tanahk as a proof text By means of the corruption tampering manipulation and changing text within it to create the illusion of a Christian theological narrative within the pages of tanahk a book that by its vary nature mandate and mission rejects all that defines Christianity theological thought and claims this criminality biblically is earned against with the wrath of god in the form of eternal punishment in hell yet it was done to create a false faith let me give an example ..... compare the book of Hebrews.10:5 with the book it quotes directly from .... book of Psalms.40:6 trad and wrap them if you can not pick out the corruption tell me so that I can explain it in detail .........REPENT before it’s TO LATE
I remember one Ramadan it was soooooo controversial because one of the hafiz recited another style for just one of the smaller surahs in the last juz I believe. And oh lorddddd that was such a thing back then lol
I always knew of the different recitations but that was so shocking to so many people there
@Jim Ahmed Can you please show me the video? the link you gave is already dead.
"And oh lorddddd" you sound like a christian
So what happened?!
I'm a native Arabic speaker and I've noticed there were a couple of mistakes in the video. Here they are:
1. Verse 7:141: both words mean they kill (not fight or get killed). The only difference is the shaddah which is used in the Hafs version, I'm guessing, for emphasis.
2. Verse 36:35: the two encircled words are identical down to the diacritics. Additionally, the word 'amilathu' translates roughly to " it did it" and doesn't have anything to do with hands. The word that comes after 'amilathu' though means 'their hands' and they're also identical in both versions.
I hope you take these into consideration and perhaps have someone who's either a native Arabic speaker or who's fluent enough to not make such small mistakes.
Its in the description box
OK. So there were changes made to the Koran.
@@brendantannam499 no... and yes... the thing is we have more than one qira'a ... and the difference between one qira'a to other is not really important ... is just like if u say color or colour... they are the same they mean the same and the pronounced the same ... but no one is saying that this small detail have ruined everything... it is basically the same principle
@@ryu7597 this is completely not true. Tell me if you miss fasting do you feed one person or many people? Is this not a difference in meaning? I have two of my Muslim friends from Algeria and Ethiopia argue about this topic because they’ve been thought differently.
@@rda6481 First of all brother i advice u to not take words from people that did not study those things...
ur not going to take a medical advice from a random person ... u will go to a doctor who tells u what to take as medicine... so if u want to make a point just do not tell me about ur Muslim friends ...if they were no scholars shiekhs or at least studied Islam then their words are worthless ... the same as the random person who tells u what to take as medicine ...
now the Word Qira'at is a plural from the word Qira'a ... which means Pronunciation... the Literal meaning says it is just difference in pronunciations ...
but i will Give example...
In arabic we have short vocals ث ثَ
u see the difference between the first and second letters? this is the same letter but different "actions" as we call them in Arabic ...
this actions are grammar and u would not find it in almost any other languages ... in english we do not have them the same as spain german and France ... yes they have a weird letters like ä ö or ü ...
but they considered a different letters then the a o and u ... they are not the same... in Arabic the ث and the ثً are the same latter but we add an Action at the second letter ...
so basically when we say different versions we do not mean something like the bible ... all what we mean is this small details which almost change nothing ...
مالك يوم الدين
ملك يوم الدين
this is an example in Arabic ... the first one has a letter more " ا " this letter is just a the long version of the Action " َ " so in one Qira'a we pronounce the full (or the long ) pronunciation which is the Extra letter ... and the second sentence is the same but there is an Action on the first letter ...
the meaning is the same but the pronunciation is just a little different ... the first one is pronunced "Maaleki yaum Aldeen" the second one is "Maleki yaum Aldeen" and that is with the Qira'at...
what ur friends were discussing about is Called Fiqh which is the understanding of the religion and the Interpretation of the verses ...
so to answer ur question if i miss fasting i must know the context ... for example if i Break it unintentionally like i forgot or i wasn't aware or i somehow drank water by mistake or forcefully then i can just continue fasting as if nothing happened ...
but if i intentionally missed it .. i should again look at the context because if it was voluntarily fasting (i wanted to fast just because) then as i aware of u must not do anything ...
but if we talk about ramdan is a bit different ... it is a direct Order From Allah therefore there is a punishment ... IF u intentionally missed Fasting ...u need to ask Allah for forgiveness and u need to multiply Fast after ramdan and to make more good deeds ...
ruclips.net/video/_1-uBmWJEgY/видео.html
so that is one of the sources it is in Arabic and there is No subtitle but i translate everything important in the comment ...
ruclips.net/video/juGL-ffiNqg/видео.html
And that is another link for the voluntarily Fasting It is also in Arabic and i had translated it ...
both are from sheikhs
so thank u brother and God bless you and Guide u to the right path
This god seems an awful like a 7th century merchant... hmmmm
Abdullah, no offence to islam, just curious as to why Allah chose an illiterate person for the message when there were much much more educated people
So that educated person like u today don't argue that the book is his own!
@@tasnuvarahman9115 one of the hadiths says that before his death the prophet asked for for something so he can write .if he can write so he was not illiterate!!!
@FAT cat so weird?
@FAT cat may be epilepsy!
@@tasnuvarahman9115, Muhammad wasnt illiterate if you go deep down to analyze the Islamic resources.
So which one is on tablets in heaven?
All 7? Lol
How can the Quran be perfectly preserved if there are seven different versions of it?
@@Shahid2971:That is the islamic miracle. Another one is: quran is full of errors, yet it is error-free. Isn't miraculous this islam?
@@George-iv1hi
Find one error in the Quran you sick dog and you will be the richest man in that city where you live ...i will personally give you $10 million dollars from my own personal account But if we beat your lies and you are wrong then it is for you to work for free for the rest of your life and taken away from your familly catch the worst beating that a human being has never experienced and exept Islam .
Deal ?
THE HAFS QURAN IS IN THE HEAVENS PRESERVED SOME SCHOOLARS SAY ALL 7 QIRAT ARE PRESERVED IN THE TABLET WITH GOD / ALLAH SWT .
Textual criticism is sorely missing in the Islamic world. Great work! Have a happy new year!
Andy S in the west what is missing is; criticism of the conventional modern morals and ethics that we were brought up with, such as the claim that ALL slavery is evil and unethical, or the claim that whipping chopping stoning punishment in its correct context is unethical, or the claim that marrying a consenting girl at a young age is unethical.
What is also lacking is criticism of the so-called scientists dubious claims that we were descended from monkeys, and questioning the authenticity of those alleged fossils that the Darwinist priests claim are real and not forged in their secret underground lab.
@@sameernairthamburatty4484 You're crazy holding on to old outdated and barbaric practices. The west isn't perfect but its better than an Islamic theocracy any day.
@@andys3035 if that continues, I have a hunch in the future the west going to make votes to legalise all kind of drugs, incest, and probably even rape. Just look at we are now from compare to 50 years ago excluding the war era.
@@Md.Kamarussalihin possibly more drugs will be legal, marijuana already is in a lot of states, alcohol is as well and that horrible pork and bacon is too. Rape would never be legal and neither would sex with a 9 year old be considered normal.
@@andys3035 yes that what we think. In past, we would never thought it would be possible for someone to be recognise to be more than 2 gender, identify themselves to be a cat, unrestiction and easy excess of free porn, etc. At the end, its all up to peoples vote. A nation was even able to withdrew themselves from an organisation because of the power of votes..
The vedas also was an oral tradition.continuse to this day.and they devised some interesting was to preserve the correct pronunciation
Or change it, if it so suits them. Mohammed contradicts himself numerous times in manipulating for things he wanted, such as robbing people for a living.
Theres a few issues here:
1. The Uthman Codex is the verified, cross checked and referenced Quran by the top Quran memorisers of the time. This text exists today (Samarkand Kufic Quran) and can be checked against the Hafs Quran we have today.
2. The so called different Qurans of today are all produced after the Uthmanic Codex and are accepted by the Ummah according to the laws of Ahruf and Qiraat. If anybody does not accept these texts they can always refer back to the Uthmanic text.
3. So called scriptural variants were personal records of individuals in the early days of Islam that may have scribal errors, yet when checked against other variants its obvious where scribal errors occurred - these errors are not so big as christians like Brubaker make out and its a miracle in itself how accurate these individual records are. There would be the odd vowel or word out of place at worst on a single page. Even then the whole collection of the ‘variant’ manuscripts can show up where the writer of a variant may have made minor mistakes. Again the authoritative version is the Uthmanic Codex NOT the ‘variant’ writings.
3. The ‘skeleton’ if the text of the Quran is complete, where scholars have debated is to the placement of grammatical and pronunciation of words. For example Maliki vs Maaaaliki
4. The Prophet saws in a hadith addressed the issue of dialectic variations and allowed such variations. But again if christians want to assert muslims have many ‘versions’ of the Quran and want to ignore the rules of ahruf and qiraat or that individual variant manuscripts have minor errors then they can always refer back to the Uthmanic Codex compiled only 14yrs after the death of the Prophet saws and by the companions of the Prophet saws who were present during his lifetime.
5. Challenge any christian to sit down with you and use the Uthmanic Quran, ALL the variant manuscripts and follow word for word the Quran we have today. Ask them to brush up on their arabic.
6. The christians are trying to say that even if the Quran is 99.9999% correct it cannot be the preserved Quran if it is not 100% correct. You will understand how absurd these people are and how desperate they are to find a 0.0001% inaccuracy. Its a desperation that comes about when you know your own scripture can barely hold itself together.
While yes, most of the differences aren't substantial, that's just because most of the verses where differences occur aren't substantial either (i.e. not related to fiqh or aqidah). Second, the differences aren't dialectical, they're grammatical and lexical differences from the fact that the Qur'an didn't have diacritics and dots back then.
It's so frustrating that even 'scholars' of Islam keep trying to fool themselves and other Muslims by saying it's all about dialects.
Idk about you but 'he said A' and 'say A!' are both very DIFFERENT from each other.
Since i was a kid, in our tv and radio there are programs for advanced Quran reciters. They learn some verses for weeks of various qiraats, its history, its sanads, the dos and dont of pronounciation etc. I found it so strange, and even childish when these people make outlandish claims. To us it is not new or a secret. It is openly discussed and taught.
Happy new year from another apostate
"The official narrative has holes in it"
THE STANDARD NARRATIVE HAS HOLES IN IT. HOW DARE YOU NOT PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL WORDS OF YASIR QADHI?
@@rajvi4456 lol and we must read it in classic Arabic to understand the full elequance and mean of " the standard narrative has holes in it " but i think it's beautiful in any language lol
The confusion of so called religion of truth hahaha
There is no confusion. Only for people who want to see confusion. Muslims know these things. They are a normal part of our religion.
Gottfried Himmel ok 😂😂😂
Lol bro he's lying check. My comment I debunked it
Gottfried Himmel
I dont think so, I think you are like blind lunatic..
@@newfilmtrailer7733 that was
a task for them to compiled quran with allah guides. And since that moment until now over 1400 years word for word, chapter to chapter still not change. This video for unbelievers like u that how allah keeping his promises ruclips.net/video/uKz-vxK-b0Q/видео.html
the prophet ask the angel is these ok and the angel said yes 😂😂😂😂
That is corruption exactly
@@gigatt4311ha ha
🤣🤣
Brother, the angels cannot do anything without the permission of God. The angels have no free will so they cannot act on their own unlike in Christianity.
@@servantofallah1445 didn't Allah reveal Christianity? Didn't he reveal the Torah and injeel and then was weak enough to leave them unprotected ? Then humans corrupted Allah's books.
Thank you for showing us how weak Allah truly is. He sends 100,000 prophets and different books and he can't protect any of them including the Quran 🤣🤣🤣
Is it true that all the Angels in the Koran are carrying Jewish names..............
Gabriel, Michael, israfeel etc
@Pete Kondolios
Yes as Allah naned them like that...i wonder whats the orobkem with that ??? I nean what ?
The original names in Arabic are Jibraa'eel (Gabriel), Meekaa'eel (Michael), Israfeel and Isra'eel. The Jewish book was revealed by Allah, so why should they not contain names of his angels. It was man who later altered the book, changing the word of Allah. Same with the Bible
Al-Quran 13 : 36
˹The believers among˺ those who were given the Scripture rejoice at what has been revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺, while some ˹disbelieving˺ factions deny a portion of it. Say, “I have only been commanded to worship Allah, associating none with Him ˹in worship˺. To Him I invite ˹all˺, and to Him is my return.”
How clever this Abdullah Shamir with his research and may come to conclusion: convert to christianity with 24.000 manuscript and hundreds version for better book preservation
HEY HAPPY NEW YEAR ABDULLAH !! :-)
@Satya Murthy Mk Thanks Satya, but just to prepare you that believers will just call it a 'weak' hadith.
I think there's no contradiction
9:59. It's the same.
Hafs = عملته أيديهم
Warsh= عملته أيديهم
Abdullah Sameer
Check out on PFANDER films and there's 32 Different ARABIC dialects.....at least.
Also isn't it even more strange that the "Hafs" Quran ( which is the most read) is recited by Hafs who is a known liar and the Muslims don't take his hadith because of it.
Confusing or what?!!!😂😂😂😂
So allah sent a message that was perfectly clear for all mankind and now we need people to explain the message that's perfectly clear. Thank allah pots legal in Canada. Happy new year. Maybe we'll figure it out in 2019
Leo Parrin maybe Sameer is high on pot himself that's why he is making such erroneous claims here like claiming Koran was not preserved when in fact he is showing us the fully preserved versions of the 7 dialects. The grammatically correct meaning of "not preserved" is that there should be parts of Koran missing. But there are no parts missing at all, everything is fully intact. Compare Koran variations to bible variations and you see a gigantic difference, you cannot compare the two they're like two different worlds
That was hashish!
@@sameernairthamburatty4484 Yes of course, let's forget the hadiths where Aisha's sheep eats parts of the Koran that have been lost forever ...
And also the parts that were lost in battles when the reciters were slaughtered...
Let's ignore the textual variants and the more than 20 types of quran that exist today.
You cannot be that simple.
@@danilomoura9663 Ultracrepidarian 😂
Muslim logic.
It was reviewed in 7 dialect bcus of confusion it was revised to one dialect (without approval of Allah), the rest books were burnt. Later the unapproved 6 recitations came back making a total of 7. Then some recitals had 2 students that brought different recitations, making a total of 10.
Simple questions
- is uthman God, that he will decide to rewrite the Quran to one dialect thereby corrupting the original reviewed dialects of the remaining 6 qurans?
Allah reviewed 7 recitations now we have 10 recitations, is that not corruption of the Quran?
Where is the original first seven recitations?
Where is the original uthman Quran?
Where is Mohammed secretary's Quran?
Where is Mohammed' s Quran?
Why did Allah not consider other languages apart from arabic since Allah wanted easier recitation?
Which of the 10 recitations are the seven recitations in heaven?
Dr. Zakir: ys lojicaly 7 qurans + 3 = no churchs....
You have so many questions but instead of asking a person of knowledge, scholar or Imaam your here on RUclips. How do you expect to find logic when you yourself are not logical?
@@thetruthnothingbutthetruth1
If you have the answer kindly provide it. If not, help me to ask your scholars and provide there reply here.
Thanks.
The most perfect one should have created the most perfect recitation. But why then so much chaos? So who wrote it? Humans are endowed with intelligence but most people fail to use it or generate logical, rational facts fully due to restrictions imposed on them by the religion in the name of God.
@mokhtar benchohra
Are you saying that hafs and wash Quran are exactly the same word for word?
"Later only one dialect was kept" are other dialects not the Quran also and lost now?
What did uthman archive by streamlining the recitations to one and now we have 10 recitations?
If uthman destroyed all quranic materials and only kept his own Quran, how did we get 10 recitations again?
Where is your uthman Quran?
Where is your hafs Quran?
Where is Mohammed Quran?
Where is Mohammed secretary's Quran?
The meaning is still the same and keep in mind that YOU are TRANSLATING these words into English which is not always accurate because Arabic is very rich and one word can mean many things. You can't rely on your translations. But even if you do, the meanings are still the same.
OK. So the Koran has changes in it.
that's it, Islam is religion for arabs.
@@okije u mean Christian is for the english
Per your response, in case I miss fasting, how many people do I feed? One or many? This has become important because of the ritualistic nature of islam unlike christianity. Moreso, muslims boast of a quran that is perfectly preserved in detail.
@@brendantannam499 he just told you it doesn’t, but bad translation from the original language wich is arabic to english for example, it messes up the meaning. every word in arabic had many meanings, wich in return makes it hard to translate.
I am an American ex-Muslim who learned to read, write and speak Arabic. I speak Egyptian Arabic and am familiar with a lot of dialects. Arabic is sweet. I appreciate every video that is made to expose the lies of Islam. I completely support the effort to show people that the perfect preservation myth is 100% bs, but if you are going to make a video demonstrating the differences in the text then please make sure you write the correct information.
Regarding 7:141, the Hafs transliteration of يُقَتِّلُونَ was "yuqatiloon" but should be "yuqattiloona" and the Warsh transliteration of يَقْتُلُونَ was "yaqtaloon" but should be "yaqtuloona."
Regarding 36:5, the Hafs and Warsh both say "their hands did not make it" ما عَمِلَتْهُ أَيْدِيهِم maa amilathu aydiihim. Also, if the verb "did" was amilat then it would be عَمِلَت. If in Warsh it was actually "the hands" then it would be الأَيَادِي al-ayaadii.
Regarding 66:12, Hafs says "and his books" (one word) وَكُتُبِهِ and Warsh says "and his book" وَكِتٰبِهِ.
We don't need any other apologists saying "They don't even know Arabic!" to discredit actual fact based criticism. It is super important to get the details correct. I'm not trying to be a douche, honestly.
Keep up the good work ya'll.
“They plan, and Allah plans. Surely, Allah is the Best of planners.”
And Also happy new year
Clement Oluwaseyi Onifade
you insult Allah, I leave you with Allah because he does not need defender
Clement Oluwaseyi Onifade
Yeah, that's it ! Allah’s just the imagination of billions of people !
😂😂
Anyway, we'll all know the truth inchallah
Clement Oluwaseyi Onifade
you, me, animals, nature, our solar system, the earth, the universe! all this proves the existence of allah!
Realmatic Schisms
Why are u asking me ?!
I'm not the one saying it !
Allah was a poor Guardian of his revelations, he revealed Torah and injeel but they got corrupted, how almighty failed to do this simple task
So being delusional Qurans been same for 14 hundred years
Check oldest Quran found in Birmingham Its the same Quran that exists today
@@AbdulRahman-np7jv What are you talking about? 2 scraps of paper is not the whole Qur'an. You can't look at 2 pages of a "book" (because that is what is in Birmingham) from a long time ago and say that a book from one time period is "the same" as a book from a second time period.
@@AbdulRahman-np7jv There is no such thing as "a Qur'an" in Birmingham. It's just a few pages.
@@prabhuthomas8770 OK brother u will know the moment you did we will see who goes to heaven
Unaware? So you’re telling me the most strict scary religion who will kill people for disbelief allowed their students to be unaware that their recitation is different? Yeah.. seems legit..
They not just kill people of disbelief. They kill each other just a different interpretation
Such peaceful religion..
After studying Quran in Egypt for many years I do believe that politics then and now plays a role in the explanation of why there are different versions.
Moreover a great shaykh Ph.D. from Azhar, now deceased, has told me that it's a lie that there were no dots. They were dots from the very beginning
If Allah has allowed Hafs to be the major version preserved that's the version most people accept, abd
it's the one I study and memorize from.
I believe that Allah will give his guidance and clarification to those who are believers not those who are questioners and doubters so therefore sir I don't think that you are a source of anything.
But didn’t Allah say that his word cannot be altered and he shall preserve the word and non can change it? It clearly means that there should not be versions from the beginning Allah sent the Quran? For you to say Allah allowed different versions nullified these verses from your Quran
* "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
* "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (6:115).
* "For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity," (10:64).
So he allowed different versions so that he can differentiate the believers and unbelievers? Isn’t he the ALL KNOWING Allah? If he knows all why in the world would he need to do something like that? So that people on earth can recognise who is the unbelievers so that jihadis can come and kill us? Is that it?
Also Allah stated clearly in the Quran 16:89? Saying his book is clarification of ALLLLL THINGS but you see even the slightest change of words in your Quran becomes a “political” object for killing.
Such enlightenment
@@ZuveetheReviewah quote me 2 Quran names, just like Douay version and kingjames version.
Hatun Tash and Dr. Jay Smith have found 36 different Arabic Qur'an with consonental differences. NOT diacritical marks, as diacritical marks were not added to Arabic language until over 100 years after the death of Muhammad.
Kafir Linda Clark we meet again. . You know it is a real shame that when I post comments on pfander films that destroy his videos they end up deleting my comments because they cannot debate me. As they say if you have a house made of glass don't throw rocks at other peoples houses. you wrote
The Qur'an is so mumbo jumboed that it is impossible to be from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Just read the Bible to see how consistent the words are-the stories are
Please explain your comment in the light of exhibit C which no one did on pfander films
www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/exhibitC.htm
Surely, if you have 36 different Qurans you should be able to produce your own exhibit C. Can you produce the equivalent? If so I will become Christian...I am waiting...tick tock tick tock
Did you hear of Ahmed Deedat, check him out ☺️
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas:
Allah's Apostle said, "Gabriel recited the Qur'an to me in one way. Then I requested him (to read it in another way), and continued asking him to recite it in other ways, and he recited it in several ways till he ultimately recited it in seven different ways." (Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 513)
You've done it again, GREAT WORK!!!
What has he done AGAIN, he leads people to Islam just by spreading false info about Islam. Sincere people study and ask the muslims about it and we as muslims show them the truth and the right path.. We still keep saying #Guinness of world record fastest growing relogion in the world ISLAM.
Remember 9/11.. Check how many accepted Islam after the inside job... You have plans? Believe me Allah also planned, he is the best of planners.
@@akaraca4087 stop being a idiot, if your so smart challenges him or even try to refute him. I know you can not, so zip it
@@fakhirpathaankhan746 who is he? No one knows this guy. Is he an expert? Islamic scholar? What has he achieved? I rather talk with sincere people instead of islamaphobes... Lol
@@fakhirpathaankhan746 Shut up. Go and adore a guy on a cross. Eww.
@@bento23leal71 that's very disrespectful to Christians, I'm.not a disrespectful person like you, little man!! Good luck trying to annoy others though.
Did u know a tame sheep eat some verses of the qoran when aisha was busy with the burial preparations of the prophet funeral
Is it true the tame sheep ate the verses of adult breast feeding, 5 or times?
Shaheeb Shaffiek that's all fake news and conspiracy theories
English reference Vol.3 book 9 . Hadith 1944 .
Arabic reference... book 9, hadith 2020
Sugar Monkey 4 where are those verses of the breast feeding verse?
@@mervynmenezes1400 😅😅😅 no living thing and non living thing is born to eat Quran's verses
1:32 I’m dead bro. I thought this was the real deal. Reread your history. Make sure your sources are top notch and not googled. Peace.
It's a tragedy that Muslims are desperately trying to make sense of this whole confusion which in itself proves beyond the shadow of doubt not only Islam ain't for Texxxas nor from an omnipotent creator.
you realize he googles this right? 💀 and you know that he is more like David wood right? and you didn't ask a shaykth about these questions right?
Attention comment section: he does not know what he is talking about. The seven qiraat were different ways the angel jibril would RECITE the quran to the prophet(SAW) literally similar to different dialects of a particular language. They all pertain to the exact same definition of the concurring verses. The wisdom behind this was that in a hadith it was narrated that the prophet(SAW) said that this ummah is weak and told angel jibril to ask Allah to make the recitation easier for the people. Cuz logically different people find different things easy. And so this 7 styles are simply here to just make ot easier to recite the quran and gives people a wider variety to choose from (ofc the one being easiest for them to recite) at the end of the day the all mean the same thing.
Show ur proof
@@rev0126 🤣🤣 ok... lol 🤨
@Dont Believe Everything You Read its Gods word. Why does the quran have to imply his presence. Or are you just a fool?
Or else the 360 pagan gods of the Kaaba.
The Qur'an is so mumbo jumboed that it is impossible to be from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Just read the Bible to see how consistent the words are-the stories are.
Did you read the Qur'aan though?
This is the result of having little knowledge about Islam specifically the preservation of the Qur'an. Qiraat is just an issue on the difrent ways of reading the Qur'an. Any of them is acceptable which means any of them is preserved now a days is not an issue.
With regards to the preservation of the Qur'an in text, no single word is altered in the Qur'an. It remains the same text. It is well-preserved.
And i The Prophet Of Allah himself taught them lol. This guys is a clown bringing down people with him. What a shame these people are following left and right these guys with knowledge that will make even the most basic student laugh😂
@@frap9965 thinking I knew about 7 Qira when I was in class 5 or 6 maybe but It's a whole new thing for them🙂
Angel Gabriel came down with the 7 dialects and recited it to the Prophet!!!
The seven babies of the mother book, no doubt.
@@brendantannam499
those who believe and whose hearts find comfort in the remembrance of Allah. Surely in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find comfort.
@@MuhammadAbdillah111 Surely and verily the primitive god will give thee what thou givest thyself. For truly I tell you, he is but an idol for the masses.
@@brendantannam499
And so We have sent you ˹O Prophet˺ to a community, like ˹We did with˺ earlier communities, so that you may recite to them what We have revealed to you. Yet they deny the Most Compassionate. Say, “He is my Lord! There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. In Him I put my trust, and to Him I turn ˹in repentance˺.”
Amazing guy. Happy 2019
Have a great new year! But can you do videos explaining why Islam causes terrorism and why the media lies about it
@mullah amin really? Killing innocents Isn't aloud? But kufr are not innocents are there (the answer is no)
@mullah amin
“As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.” - Quran 3:56
This verse references God’s wrath on the people who disbelieved in Jesus. The passage does not endorse Muslims to commit violence. Here, read the entire passage in its context,
3:55 [Mention] when God said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to God alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.
3:56 And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.”
3:57 But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and God does not like the wrongdoers.
@mullah amin
All those translations are true in the punishment that befall the disbelievers regardless of it being spoken in present tense. The Quran has always been like that.
If a disbeliever is about to attack the Prophet then it would be revealed in this way: "Allah will protect you from the disbelievers so fight them" and not "The Prophet was once attacked by this particular disbeliever on the date of ".
@mullah amin
Since when is the topic about self-defence?
@mullah amin
Yes I know. But that's not what I was talking about because it's not part of the point I'm making to you.
What I am telling you is that, in 3:55 & 3:56, is when Allah is speaking to Jesus about the disbelievers that He himself will punish them in this world and the Hereafter for rejecting Jesus.
No where am I talking about self-defence.
Abdools: “How can 1+1+1 = 1God?”, but Abdools believe: “1+1+1+1+1+1+1=1Quaran”. I don’t get it!
You have to fix your grammar before you talk.
@@typicalhuman9877 this is Math - not grammar.
@@gerhardvisagie8399 Misspelling the word Quran - Weak argument with no context or any valid point.
@@typicalhuman9877 I spell like the Abdools do math.
@@typicalhuman9877 do you believe the fairytales in Allah’s comic book? Did Solomon have a bigger flying carpet than Alladin?
Great video! But there seems to have been a mistake @ around 8:55; the Warsh version says يَفْتُلُنَ (not يَقَتِلُنَ, as claimed).
Happy New Year, Abdullah! :-)
I admire your work. Here, at 10:05, both verses contain the word "amilathu" and are hence the same.
Thanks for the correction. Here is a fixed version. I will add it to the pinned comments: abdullahsameer.com/files/36_35_correction.png
The total meaning of the verse doesn't get changed
So what kind of preservation it is? preservation of meaning? or preservation of text right down to the letters?
Sir , since you hv left Islam , why not change your name from Abdullah to something less Muslim . I mean , it's just an idea that came to my mind . If you didn't like my suggestion plz don't mind .
When a region steal from other religion, of course that's person will make mistake. because He's try to change something to put other thing, For it's doesn't look similar.
Happy and peaceful New Year akhi! Keep these great videos coming.
look at the birmingham quran, it’s exactly the same to today, and qiraats only differ in pronunciation of word
So this guy is emphasizing the differences between king and owner in Arabic? Dude, that doesn't change anything. If you are the king of this world then you own everything which makes you the owner.
"The so called hadith which said the Quran was REVEALED in 7 dialects came 200-300 years after Muhammad, and was probably fabricated for damage control. How else would you explain this book being perfect and also there being multiple versions of it."
No, Dialects of the Qur'an wasn't revealed 200-300 years after the death of Prophet muhammad. Who would it be then revealed to? And then you go on with your assumptions without any support.
Stop misleading people dude. Stop lying.
thank you for your work, you're doing the work of islamic researchers, there are some people who are making fake hadiths too try to find them too.
I see you are replying to all the comments so please reply to this one also . The hafs version of surah Araf you showed the word yuktiloon and yaqtaloon to ne different , but even with basic knowledge of arabic or just knowing urdu it is crystal clear that theeaning of the verse didnt change at all , how do answer that , are you so dumb to even see it or what's the problem?
As for 66:12 both versions still have the same meaning as we muslims are taught to believe in Quran (a book) or books ( all the books sent before Quran and including Quran )
36:35 the warsh version also reads amilathu and not as you said(amilat) .maybe you should first learn reading Quran and than make some statement.
This is shaytan trying to cause doubt it's clearly stated the Quran can be recited in 7 different dialects . The Prophet said the same .
🤣🤦♂️Come on Abdullah sameer even a little child who has taken lessons of uloom-ul-Quran knows that there are 10 recitations. It is not something new! All these ten ways of recitation of the Quran are narrated from the Prophet by Tawaatur. Prophet taught these ten ways of recitation to the companions and they were transmitted to us generation after generation.
Az-Zarqaani said: 'There is evidence that all the ten ways of recitation are confirmed by Tawaatur, and this is the view of the scholars of Islamic jurisprudence and scholars of recitations of the Quran.'
Uthman is the next prophet that Islam missed to worship after Mohamed lol
Being a Christian is easier than being a Muslim. You simply admit that you believe In Jesus Christ (God) and that you're a sinner in need of Savior. Believe in the redemptive work Jesus did on the cross. And then confess/repent of your sins and BOOM. You're going to heaven. But of course you have to mean it.
The book issue isn't an issue at all. Allah revealed many books to humanity (Torah, Gospel, Al-Quran) These revelations give the same message to humanity so even if its either plural or singular the implication is still the same.
Exept they are supposed to be corrupted Say the Quran
Salaams. The translation you had in your intro (Qur'an), what was read in English (Message) and what the original Arabic says (the remembrances/ الذكر) are all different. And thus is the problem ... Very few are actually READING what the Qur'an says. Fact is Allah did not say He would preserve the Qur'an. There really were no 7 or 10 or 14 recitations (which overlap by the way in many verses) revealed. That concept was invented in retro in Hadiths to explain the different recitations that developed. The Qur'an is one ... it was revealed by One to one person and was taught and recited by him in one way.
And yes the way it was preserved was a complete mess. Politics got in the way. But the differences in recitation ARE insignificant. No one is "trying to down play them" ... they just simply are trivial, unless you think you have an example.
In my opinion the different recitations just developed from the different Arab dialects. No biggy.
The main point, that God would preserve the "remembrance" as the Qur'an says, is true. Even if half of the Qur'an disappeared tomorrow, the remembrance would remain/be in the other half. Compare the verse; "And We write in the Psalms AFTER THE REMEMBRANCE that the Earth would be inherited by the worthy/righteous" ... Meaning that the remembrance was not the whole Psalms but only part of it. Same with the Qur'an. It contains remembrance and reminders, but not all of it is.
Thanks for the video, it's an important topic for Muslims to face.
@_Addiction_
Well Allah could also have just killed Satan ... Or forgiven Adam and kept him and subsequently all of us in Paradise ... Or He could just have sent each of us a personal Angel with our own personal revelation already written out in an indestructible Book that would float around and follow us where ever we go ...
Questions that begin with "why didn't God just ..." "Couldn't He ..." etc are invariably simplistic questions that ignore everything else about God and the purpose of creation except concerning the point of contention contained in the "why didn't/couldn't God just do X, Y or Z"
Sorry ... I need to remember that most people don't think deeply on these issues and definitely don't read or train themselves in philosophy. They just dip into videos like this in between Marvel movies (hey! They are great though ... Watching Into The Spider-Verse tomorrow ... Watched Aquaman two weeks ago ... finally DC pulls something decent)
Anyway ... Answer is simple. Allah COULD visualise what what would happen, but He let it happen anyway. Now ... can't YOU figure out why? ...
(Besides which I don't know exactly what problems you mean ... the whole world has access to the Qur'an and it's message. Even without ever having read it most people know the most important part; believe in One God, the Last Day and do good deeds. Have that and you're sorted)
@_Addiction_
Why would I want to do that?
+Qur'anic Islam HOW do you know that anything spoken by Mohammad was true? What is the criteria in Islam to judge a person's truthfulness?
@@moorek1967
Excellent question.
Well there shouldn't be any "Islamic criteria" for judging truthfulness. The ones Islam does have are mostly sectarian anyway in practice if not in writing.
But to answer directly it is simple really. You read the issue as a historian would. You firstly collect ALL of the information. Then you analyse it. From the analysis you start to put together a picture starting with the big things, the most certain things ... then you work your way down gradually sifting out the lies or categorizing things into more probable and less probable (since we are talking about the ancient world).
Problem is that Muslims haven't done that for sectarian reasons, while many non-Muslims just want to discredit Muhammad and so focus and shine spot lights on the worst they can find (which is usually a set number of narrations altogether being less than 100 ... Yet a single Hadith collection will have up to 10'000 narrations)
It's really not difficult. It just takes work and the setting aside of personal and religious preferences
@@QuranicIslam That doesn't answer anything. Your answer implies that in order to make the Quran truth, one has to whittle down things that don't fit, thereby making a religion out of what one only accepts as truth while at the same time saying it is all true.
There MUST be a criteria for judging truth, otherwise anything can be counted as a truth.
For instance, the Quran itself. It is generally accepted that the Quran came down from Allah, through Jibreel to Mohammad. Yet, in the cave of Hira, when we are told that Jibreel appeared to Mohammad, that Jibreel pressed or squeezed Mohammad three times telling him to read. The question then becomes "read what?" What was Mohammad supposed to read when we know very well that Jibreel did not give Mohammad the Quran and the Quran was still being compiled long after Mohammad died. Therefore the Quran could not have come from Allah through Jibreel.
The only way we even hear about the incident in the cave is from Aisha who did not live at the same time as Kadijah, And we have no single hadith that is narrated Kadijah or Mohammad. Aisha didn't live at the same time as Kadijah, so Aisha was never an eyewitness to the event.
Also, Mohammad claimed that the being that squeezed him was a demon, it terrorized him and he ran to his bed and covered up his head and it was supposedly told by Kadijah that it was Jibreel. She didn't see the being, and if she was supposed to have died long after Mohammad became a "prophet", because she declared it, then why are there no hadiths narrated Kadijah and if she was so wealthy and he inherited all her property, why was he raiding caravans?
We are told that he raided caravans to fund his "prophethood", based on a mole on his back....then when exactly did Kadijah die?
And we are not even told that by Mohammad. So, what is the criteria for judging truth when the very beginning was not based in truth? Just because Mohammad said "allah has now told me....." something about permissiveness for sexual behavior?
Your answer just tells me that anything I can analyze can be accepted as truth, except for what is true or false. ALL cult leaders do this very thing.
Some Muslim countries have an "official version" of Quran and they ban other versions. So much for the claim that the differences amongst them are "insignificant".
A language is spoken in dialects and style. So, no issue at all. It's still the same language.
Couldn't the All Knowing Creator foresee the confusion that would arise later, that would have to be rectified by a mortal human by the name of Uthman?
Thats how you think of it becouse your ignorant of matter and know shit .
TO US WHO KNOW ITS PERFECT AND ITAKES EVEN MORE SENSE .
@@myname7558 wait what lmao that's clear ,it is Circular and false too
The focus should be put on if these qiraa’aat change the meaning and this is why people who are not native Arabic speakers or scholars of Arabic language can make huge mistakes. The reading doesn’t matter, what matter is if the message changes or not.
But this is why the actual words are so incredibly important. One missing word can change the entire meaning. In general all religious scriptures are extremely open to interpretation. Even lines that are very explicitly stated, if it doesn't fit with the morals of today, people say it should not be interpreted in the obvious way
The message is changed in the Quran with regard to some verses - the law of abrogation.
The first official edition of the Quran was printed and published in Egypt (1924) under King Ahmad Fuad I (Albanian-Egyptian). The 1924 Egyptian Edition Quran comes down to us from the Muhammad Ali Dynasty (Albanians in Egypt) and is the Quran distributed throughout the Muslim world. There is no other match to it before this date. If you know how to read it you will see why it was this 1924 edition that was chosen.
Any discussion is useless. A Muslim friend of mine said years ago when I was trying to understand Islam from the Quran translated into English Penguin or Puffin edition, "I really don`t care about what you say because I will always believe what I was taught as a kid." He said that when I pointed out some discrepancies in his belief and other things he told me were in the Koran. PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE REGARDLESS. I think maybe they are scared. Since then I have learned more about Islam listening to the Apostate Prophet who was a believing Muslim for years. He is very intelligent, has lived in different countries and speaks at least 3 languages well. He was a practicing Sufi and has read the Hadiths too.
If discussion is useless how did i leave Islam?
hi, thank you for your videos giving awareness. may i ask in islam context, how is "peace" being defined there? i had asked the same question just moments ago to youtuber Apostate Prophet. i just want to know both answers. thanks again
i'd like to add that - define from Quran book itself. not from current other imams that rewrote other books that are not attached in the Quran.
Qur'an 59:23 discloses that peace is one of the names of God himself: “He is God, other than whom there is no god, the King, the Holy, the Peace, the Defender, the Guardian, the Mighty, the Omnipotent, the Supreme.”
Islam is a peaceful religion because it forbids mischief on earth. Allah, may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“and do good as Allah has been good to you, and seek not mischief in the land. Verily, Allah likes not the Mufsidoon (those who commit great crimes and sins, oppressors, tyrants, mischief-makers, corrupt)”
[al-Qasas 28:77]
“Verily, Allah enjoins Al-Adl (i.e. justice and worshipping none but Allah Alone - Islamic Monotheism) and Al-Ihsan (i.e. to be patient in performing your duties to Allah, totally for Allahs sake and in accordance with the Sunnah (legal ways) of the Prophet SAW in a perfect manner), and giving (help) to kith and kin (i.e. all that Allah has ordered you to give them e.g., wealth, visiting, looking after them, or any other kind of help, etc.): and forbids Al-Fahsha (i.e all evil deeds, e.g. illegal sexual acts, disobedience of parents, polytheism, to tell lies, to give false witness, to kill a life without right, etc.), and Al-Munkar (i.e all that is prohibited by Islamic law: polytheism of every kind, disbelief and every kind of evil deeds, etc.), and Al-Baghy (i.e. all kinds of oppression), He admonishes you, that you may take heed”
[an-Nahl 16:90].
Quran 13 : 28
those who believe and whose hearts find comfort in the remembrance of Allah. Surely in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find comfort.
Abdi Sameer can't answer you.. he don't know about Islam..
Why is there so much confusion here? If this book is not clear or is changed or corrupted, do not read it. Simple.
The best people to judge and critique Muhammad (uwbp) were the people who knew him. They said he was Al Amin the trustworthy one, the honest one and trusted him with their wealth and family even though they hated Islam. Yet before he died they all accepted Islam as the system of life sent by the One True God from Time Immemorial for all creatures of free will to achieve Eternal success and prosperity. Nothing and no one can stop the progression of Islam, just as no one can stop the sun from rising, so you atheists will lose no matter what arguments you try to use, many of you will either become Muslims or lead very empty and miserable lives, having no hope for a brighter and better life to come.
Has anybody noticed the Zabiba on the imam's head? Looks like a bruise but it ain't one... Interesting video, by the way.
great work even a dot..aliff...hafs..changed whole meaning of the verse changed ..completely...praise the lord and happy new you and family sameer bhai
ultracrepidarian 😂
Excellent research, Abdullah... haven't heard about this anywhere... 👍
I am muslim and i dont hold the idea that Quran is preserved as we have today. Quran never said that in 15:9. So it could be quran in the Lauh Mahfuz as other scriptures (zabur, torah, and injil). Having said that, I do believe even there are some variant but it is enough for muslims to be guided... Your video is very informative as reflection for muslims when he point out other scripture are corrupted e.g. torah and injil, and yet, those muslims use their scripture to debate the christian theology and said the christian theology is not found in their bible.
the answer is in the quran itself. skeptics questioned muhammad's authority to speak for god so someone in the muhammad committee like an abu bakr came up with the perfect preservation defense. "see it is perfectly copied! allah is making sure all copies are the same!" but the trouble with that doctrine is IT ONLY WORKED when believers couldn't compare a copy in their town with a copy in another town. even a slight variation that doesn't affect the main meaning IS AN IMPERFECT COPY which ruins the doctrine.
It would have been much more sensible if Allah, instead of preserving the integrity of the Koran as claimed, had instead preserved the integrity of the Injeel of Issa(Jesus Christ) This is because of the extremely high ranking of Jesus and the claims about him in the Koran -afterall he was given a virgin birth which is something no other prophet had even Mohammed.He could perform all sorts of amazing miracles even as a child and he was rescued from the cross and then taken to heaven.He will come back as a Messiah figure to chastise the Christians for having worshiped him.Yet his message of Injeel was badly corrupted by his followers making it necessary for Mohammad and Islam to come along and correct all the mistakes with all the war,conflict and strife all this involved.Couldn't Allah have been a better planner and preserved the Injeel and Torah as originally given?
I'm a muslim and I disagree that's not why the quran was sent read the quran and what it says about the previous books of Allah swt
haha.. poor Sameer, the Qiraa doesn't affect the Quran.. and the 7 letters (Ahruf) is soething different: it's not about Qiraat, for exmple the example you gave in 9:00 is part of the Ahruf and the prophet read them both :), it's an other miracle of the Quran... you wasted your time, it's not a new subject.
@Dont Believe Everything You Read
Mitchakirin Ya Fandim :).
if someone is urdu speaker he can go thru variant reading of quran or ahruf and qirat by javed ahmed ghamidi he has given excellent answer
Muslims are so much in self-denial, its shocking. Even if we accept that there are 7 dialects angel Jibreel recited to Muhammad, and that it doesnt negate the preservation and that Quran is the true 'literal' say of Allah and not inspirations, you have to at least accept that there is not one but 7 true says of Allah. Hence there are 7 slight variations of Allah's say all saying '7' absolute truths. And to top it off, there are various interpretations of those absolute truths. Since there is the 'heavenly ONE Mus'haff only' that Allah is 'Saying', you have to at least accept that Angel Jibreel revealed it 7 styles that have slight differences in meaning which in turn was ok'd by Allah (by the hadith) which in turn okays the different meanings which kind of removes the one absolute truth (Allah's Heaven Mushaff). Its like kind of saying Allah is Okay with Chinese whispers to His Quran, and it's all right by Muslims if they want to give equal rights to Woman by liberals or kill Munafiqs by Isis. Their claim is just illogical, even great scholars can't mental gymnast this one.
The problem is you are seeing the Quran as a "normal" textbook, the quran is a dynamic speech of Allah, all the variants for the different verses of the quran were mass transmitted back to the prophet...in other words the prophet authorized each variant. The purpose of the variant is to provide a highly dimensional and complete meaning of the message, if Allah said he was the "owner", well many owners are not kings, and if Allah says he is the "king", well many kings are ceremonial...so both variants are needed otherwise the message is deficient.
Excellent.
Pls talk about the verse in the quran where allah prays for muhammed
That's just ridiculous propaganda ... Jeez you guys are so eager for things against Islam you'll swallow up anything! You're like sitting ducks ... So easily played
@Dont Believe Everything You Read
Here too? ... Desperate are you? ... Once is enough mate ...
Therefore, Allah ultimately failed to keep up His promise to preserve the Koran.
Happy new year, Abdullah Sameer. Thank you for your wonderful work.
Correction, we made a mistake at 9:12. يُقَتِّلُونَ does not mean "they fought"; it actually means "they killed", just as "يَقْتُلُونَ" does. The meaning is the same in both verses, regardless of the word being used.
Also, 36:35 I should have shown the variant from Shobah not Warsh. See: abdullahsameer.com/files/36_35_correction.png
Full video: ruclips.net/video/sO8TynsAL0Q/видео.html
Maybe pin the comment so anyone criticizing it will easily see it?
Also, do you reply to comments?
I thought I did. Yes, I try to reply to comments when I have a chance
Abdullah Sameer well done for at least being more honest about your mistakes unlike the other anti-Islам bloggers. Now your case had been diminished by one argument. Compare the so called versions of the coran with the many different versions of bible and the huge difference is astounding. Different Bible versions has Different number of sub-books and no original language version, but all editions of Quran have same number of Soora and more or less same number of words and more or less same meaning.
@@sameernairthamburatty4484
May ALLAH swt bless you o worrior of Allah and diffender of Quran my Muslim brother .
Jazak Allah ..
Abdullah Sameer Hi 😊 at 11:57 I was not able to see any differences between the two words “ عملته” (amilthu)? And these words does not mean “hands” but it means “..did something “
I love your channel by the way ❤️
Please that is all you got. You guys cant find anything wrong with the quran. Cuz it is perfect unlike human.
In fact there are 10 readings, plus 2 narrations (Rawiyan) for each of those 10 readings. Then there are also 2 Tariqs or ways for each narration. Then there are 2 Tariqs for each of those Tariqs. Do the math: 10 plus 20 plus 40 plus 80 = 150 different, official, canonical Arabic Qurans.
And all of this without mentioning the fact that we know important parts of it were lost forever.
Which parts?
@@MuhammadAbdillah111 We don't know, they're missing. But there's hadith talking about a specific sura (don't remember right now) being as long as another sura when today they are of very different lengths. It's been a long time and I don't remember the details but there's a lot of hadith talking about missing parts, people disagreeing on what should be in there and stuff like that.
@@wizardsummoner9124 how valid is this claims?
@@MuhammadAbdillah111 Just check for yourself hadith talking about pre Uthman times. There's some info on the matter on channels like this. Like Apostate Prophet or David Wood's and they give the hadiths so you can verify.
@@wizardsummoner9124 first of all..David wood and apus do not have the authority and knowledge to teach hadith.. every claimed that they made are meant to missinterprate the truth..they wanted to create doubts in every way that they can..
al quran already complete as it is.... what other things that we need for this religion? what else we need for our life? Everything is there.. What is missing actually?
This day, I have completed your religion for you, perfected My blessings upon you, and am pleased with Islaam as your Religion.» [Al Quran 5:3]
From the description alone this is embarrassing. All you said was pure conjecture about them making a fabricated Hadith.
It seems you need a deeper understanding of Quranic Sciences and history.
so Allah's faith is simple. multiple korans, 5000 hadiths, sunnah, ummah's practice, different schools of thought, sharia law and other burdens. and this is supposed to accomplish what? if this is not complex then one doesn't know what is.
Surah Al Imran 3:54 Allah said ." I am The best Deceiver.
Most of what you mentioned is not revelation you idiot.
Very weak argument. Kiraat are not variations in written form but only in spoken form, because the original Koran had no dots and vowels. Only people who dont speak arabic dont understand this. Allah himself reveled them.
The Prophet (sas) said:
“Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles.”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819)
Failed smokescreen .
@@scarface8096
Yeah keep on blabing you shmock..but the truth will all ways win i put my soul on that..can you put your soul on lies ? Lets do this .Moron
Gerhard Löwenherz Allah guided me through these sort of videos !Anyone having intellectual honesty can see their lies and misrepresentations
@@hmrabbie530 you are right. islamists deliberately lie about preservation of quran eventhough historical records and manuscript evidence are contrary. 😁
Whether it was preserved or not you are yet to provide the better alternative to the Holy Koran, please let me know when you find a book that can compete with the power of the Koran.
You don't need a book to compete with that nonsense
Maybe news paper🙂
@@AbdullahSameerVideos ofcourse you need a book, books were a source of learning and sharing information throughout mankind, what planet do u live on champ?
@@mondardaman2973 about science who taught by zakir naik?...😁😁
Eben it is very silly that quran was revealed in 7 citations. I mean why should I care all these arabic stuff. It is obvious that this religion is a tribal paganlike arabic religion.
10:02
عَمِلَتْهُ
3amilathu is in both of them. The style of the damma is just different. I told you about the inital correction in 9:12. I don't know why you deleted my comment.
Instead of dubiously claiming that Koran is not preserved (you have no proof of that since there's no missing page or missing Sura, the different versions all have the same number of Sura) it would have been more linguistically accurate for you to say that the 7 different variations of the Koran have ALL been preserved. But the Haffs is the only one that the common masses of laymen need, the other so called versions are like a few hundred academics today (out of a population of millions or billions of people) preserving knowledge of Ancient Greek and Latin, it's just there for preserving the historical record but not for the ordinary common man masses to use in everyday life.
Watch the full discussion we did.
If doesn’t really matter if it was perfectly preserved. Preserving a lie doesnt make it true.
Hunter I haven't studied this topic in too much detail so I explain based on my best understanding of this subject (more educated Muslims can correct any mistakes I make here)
everything that was shown here is the original Koran, in different dialects. Nothing is missing from Koran. There were a few verses that Allah sent as some kind of "trailer" or "preview" or "beta version" but were not included in full version of Koran we have today, maybe something like the "deleted scenes" that Come as an extra feature on Movie DVD packs, maybe that's what it means by "abrogation" in the sense of some verses like stoning verse not being included in final Koran. But we don't really need those deleted scenes anyway since they're not part of the movie. Only the director knows why he didn't include the deleted scenes in the final release version of the movie, but the movie would work equally well with or without the deleted scenes being included in the film's final cut, showing more or less the exact same story.
Sorry if my explanation doesn't make sense, but You'll have to ask other Muslims who are far more educated than me on this subject for a better and more convincing explanation of the "deleted scene" verses.
However, the bottom line is that Koran has been fully preserved exactly like how it's director Allah wants us to see it. The Haffs Quran is the official standard in the original language. The others, like Warsh, are like the movie being dubbed into other languages by voice actors with the director's approval. But the director obviously prefers you to watch his work in the original which is the Haffs because that sounds slightly better than the other dubbed versions. Meanwhile the written subtitles that you can watch for movie, is like the Koran translation into English and other languages.
Regarding the scribal errors, there may have been a few during initial complication of final edition but they have all been corrected and no mistakes based on scribal error in Koran we have today. Don't forget that unlike any other book many of the Sahaba including all the scribes who wrote it during final compilation, have the entire Koran MEMORIZED by heart, they were cross-checking each verse with each other and their own memory several times to make sure that there was no mistake and any mistake there is was ironed out. They make England's Notorious health and safety rules look mild in comparison. It is similar like a RUclips video maker films several takes of the same video and chooses only one of them while deleting all the bloopers, any bloopers (which are different from deleted scenes) that came during the scribe of Koran have been permanently deleted forever and not in the final edition, while there may be hints of deleted scenes in the hadeeth
@@brianjameson3868 Salam brother good explanation.
Hunter the revelations that have been lost or forgotten for example the parts of Torah bible and psalms, Allah has replaced them with Koran. It's not necessarily talking about individual verses..
Omar may have wanted whatever he wanted but he's just a human and Allah doesn't bow down to the dictates of humans. There are lots of other people who want to write their own things in Koran, including today, but Allah won't let them.
When you type a comment or type an assignment to submit to college, I'm sure you make typo don't you? But as soon as you or someone else notices the typo during double checking, you delete it immediately before publishing your comment or submitting your thesis. Same way the scribes have corrected any "writo" mistakes they make have made before they published and distributed the Koran for everyone . Don't forget these people are all memorised all Koran by heart and have cross checked it several times with each other.
....see you non-believers on the day of judgement when...
Surah 15 verse 2 ' perhaps those who disbelieve will wish they had been Muslims' ...
Allahu Akbar ...they will scream in the fire with their teeth grinding .
Woe to them on that faithfull day .
Say Allahu Akbar means Allah is the greatest and Muhammad (PBUH) is the messenger of Allah
Those difference word
Is not Changing the context
The 'Ulamas
Teaching how to Tafsiring Qur'an
By formula Siak and Lihak
Siak is compare a verse with a verse before the verse we want to Tafsir
Example
Tafsiring QS 19:71
Compare it with QS 19:70-68
And Lihak is the opposite of siak
Lihak is tafsiring Qur'an by compare it with a verse after the verse we want to Tafsir
Example: QS 15:28
Compare it with QS 15:29~
So we can't just read one verse Just one And the we Tafsir it
Cause we will misunderstanding the verse accurately
About the preservation the (EVIL) quran the muslim scholar dr, Yasir Qadhi says :
"THERE ARE HOLES IN THE STANDARD NARRATIVE" !!!
And indeed there are very BIG HOLES ! In short : The preservation of the (EVIL) quran is a big fat LIE !!!
Everything in islam is a LIE , because it came from SATAN HIMSELF !