Elite Dangerous - TOP Resource SHUT DOWN After Eight Years!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- EDDB has been one of the best (if not the best) community site for Elite Dangerous. As of 8 April 2023, it has finally closed. Eight years of amazing work was put into this site, by its create Themroc! Thank you for all that effort!
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A big thank you to Themroc for keeping EDDB going over the years!
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Big thanks for making E:D so much better during that time. It was mandatory for me to get my information, especially for possible trade routes. And to be fair, it was that big mountain to scale as deciding to give it another look in VR. VR and having to visit a website constantly doesn't match up well. That and the whole Odyssey thing (as of: not supporting VR anymore and the utterly terrible performance even on high end rigs whereas the old E:D ran like butter on a 3rd gen with a fricken 970 that just has 3.5 Gigs), and now the shutdown of EDDB basically are the final nail in the coffin for me, most probably.
I just don't get this part: "Since this decision is impossible, I will not decide at all. Many also say that releasing EDDB as open source is the best solution. This is basically not up for debate for me." - especially since you (addressing this to Themroc) didn't explain way making it open source would be no option. The reasons you quit are absolutely reasonable, but I - probably as many others - would love to see the project continued, somehow. And making it open source and giving it to other people that literally have been asking to take over the project, probably with passion, is the one and only way to go. This currently almost feels like watching a big publisher shutting down their game service, leaving the license you bought completely in the dust. Nevertheless, and don't get me wrong: EDDB was absolutely fundamental for my E:D experience and I'm very grateful for how long you kept it running! All the best for you and your further projects! /)
Indeed without this site I would have stops playing years before. So thanks for extending the live of this game.
I used it a billion times. Thank you Themroc, your database was a pro tool and will be sorely missed!
ROFL I always comment and write,,expect nothing but disappointment playing ED😂 (I will keep laughing bout this while playing the best spacegame out there, Star Citizen)
A tool like that should have existed IN GAME from the start.
there's a lot of things that should have been but never were. the game shouldn't have been a buggy mess that any 13 year old can easily exploit to obtain god mode in pvp
the subreddit and discord shouldn't been run by racist spergs, either. at least fdev finally took the links down from their site so they can't be held liable for directing people into literal neo nazi echo chambers anymore
amazing that it took people this many years to figure out this game, the devs and the community is dogshit
It does... it's just limited to the 20 LY market radius, but at least it's always up to date, unlike the 3rd party tools with backwater markets.
@@smbarbour Just like OA said, not to the extent that it does on EDDB. Even within that radius it simply doesn't compare.
@Thaurane I have literally used the in-game data when EDDB and Inara was outdated. Granted, I absolutely believe that the 20 LY range in-game is laughable, from a feasibility standpoint, it's simply not reasonable to expect FDev to constantly transmit the real-time market data for all of the roughly 500 thousand stations and settlements to every player.
If Fdev was in a good place they should buy it STILL
I hope Themroc see's this. It's difficult to overstate just how important EDDB has been to more or less everyone who's plyed ED. I for one would have given up a long time before i did if not for EDDB. So from me a massive thank you Themroc.
I spent months trying to figure out how to play Elite before stumbling on EDDB. Themroc's efforts made the game playable for me
I can understand Themroc, nearly 10 years doing this is an amazing feat, most projects are nowhere near as long. Thanks themroc for all your efforts and support over the years.
Rip eddb. I couldn’t be where I am in the game now without it.
Like wise bro
Ditto!
Indeed!
Agreed
Literally
I used EDDB regularly, it was such a crucial tool for Elite. Shame on Frontier for never integrating this feature into the game itself. RIP
We have computers for navigation but they can’t store prices and plan routes to maximize profits. /s
@@MichaelPohoreski tHe InTeRnEt JuSt DoEsN'T eXiSt AnYmOrE fOr SoMe ReAsOn.
Honestly, it feels like Frontier just do not care about ED anymore, their last offering was a half arsed FPS element, rather than continuing the story, or updating planet generation to make mini stories.
@@Mikalent Not trying to brag or say "I'm a bigger fan of this game than you are" or anything, but just.... look at my profile pic... that's out near Beagle Point.
This game was my life. It was probably pretty unhealthy, but I fucking LOVED THIS GAME TO DEATH.
You KNOW shit is bad when players like myself are dipping. xD
All I want is to have gameplay to support me flying from one point to another, getting up out of my seat, walking out THROUGH MY FUCKING SPACE SHIP - that I've lovingly poured years into perfecting - and out onto a pad at a settlement, and do some on foot stuff, that is actually entertaining without, most importantly, dropping my fps to 20... especially when I'm on an RTX 3060 Ti, which is FAR above recommended specs.... it's hilarious.
Now, is that too much to ask for? Guess so... lol
That failure with the new planet generation tech is the icing on top... STILL can't figure out how to do cliffs? I get WHY it's a challenge... but to just go ahead and make a space game where you can go fucking anywhere, and then say, "ya, no cliffs in this universe... no caves.... nope!" Come on, FDev.... It's such a joke by now.
@@Mikalent They have far more cool projects to care
It's just crazy to me when I think about all the relationships FDEV has soured over the years. I quit for good after Odyssey and now just rely on you and others to keep tabs. I used to be really angry about the direction of the game and how tone deaf FDEV was being. Now it's just sad. It's like watching the last of old friends who tried to be there throw in the towel and move on. Finally accepting that things are never going to change. Look how this channel has evolved. It used to be all about Elite, now even you just check in on them from time to time. Farewell EDDB. Playing Elite would have been far too tedious and time consuming for most of us without you. I hope that Inara doesn't start having the same feelings.
what's crazy to me is that it took so many years for people to finally figure this shit out. Like, the fact that they let toxic spergs like spytec and rhea run the game's biggest communities on reddit and discord and even linked to them on their official site at some point before eventually being forced to take the links down for liability reasons wasn't enough of a red flag already? People looked the other way for years while these spergs abused their positions to shit up the whole community with false allegations about other players and player groups, posting racial slurs and false hackusations, etc.
the community is literally a huge sperg infestation pit full of neo nazis, cringelord autists and all sorts of other assorted freaks. the pvp community is a cheater infested cess pool who have been caught using hacks red handed and exposed all over the internet more times than i can count and still continue doing it and getting away with it scott-free, all the unofficial discords, subreddits are trash, the playerbase is trash, the devs are trash. the game is a buggy mess with more exploits than you can shake a stick at.
i've never seen a more trash game in my entire life. im just as biased as the next person who played this franchise since the 80s but just because it has "Elite" in it's name doesn't make it a good game. The franchise fell off a long time ago and fdev has demonstrably proven beyond all doubt they give less than zero fucks about it
I uninstalled this trash back in April 2021, before that dumpsterfire Odyssey even came out, and still haven't looked back.
don't think i could have worded it any better than you have
What I will never understand is how Frontier did the almost impossible part (assemble a playable, beautiful space game with an unfathomably enormous map) like it was nothing, and completely fumbled the no-brainer part (not constantly insulting the community of players who are begging to do free work to make the unfinished game you released more playable).
It makes no sense. How can someone assemble 80% of a perfect game, and then spend the next decade shitting the bed, insulting their audience, and refusing to finish the last 20% of features needed to become truly playable out of the box? What kinds of brains do they have and how did they get like that??
Exactly my thoughts. I quit ED with splitting up the community with Odyssey. And I don't know how many times I use EDDB for trade routes or finding certain ships or modules.
I left when they decided to abandon consoles. Was unfortunate but I felt like the years i had poured into Elite just was thrown away and it kinda hurt. It's still a fantastic game, but it could have, and should have been more, stronger, better and just greater.
@ObsidianAnt I'm seeing a trend here, first DW3 is cancelled, then Sagittarius Eye closes down, then the GMP comes to an end, then Lavecon is no longer happening, and now EDDB is no more. 5 of the best community driven initiatives the game has ever seen, and all gone over the past 18 months. Sad times, and nothing of note coming to replace them. I guess this happens to all games sooner or later though, but I can't help feel that the Frontier of 2014-2019 at least knew what it had and appreciated its community. After 2019 there's been a big change, and not for the better.
The game is old, its natural for the community to drift away when there's nothing new or innovative being added. But yeah, ever since Odyssey the creative vibe that was there during the heydays of DW2 and the big community projects that came before it just isn't there anymore.
The hay days of Elite (when astronauts were sending good luck wishes to DW2, when the same expedition was featured in New Scientist, when you could buy incredibly high quality physical copies of Sagittarius Eye magazine in Forbidden Planet, when Frontier had major reveals for their game at Lavecon), those days are undoubtedly over. I think burnout from the folks who did these things is the primary reason, Odyssey simply failed to reinvigorate them (although it can't really be blamed in the case of EDDB, whose creator hadn't played Elite for years). As someone who's heavily involved in keeping one of the games longest running player created institutions running (The Buckyball Racing Club) I can only add that burnout of the old guard is definitely a major factor in these things (although luckily we still love what we do and have just launched a brand new season of races for 3309) and we've ALWAYS struggled to get newer players to take up the mantle. Why that is I'm not sure .... I guess folks simply have more energy to kickstart their own ideas than to take over the running of old ones.
@@alecturner07 Man those were the days. DW2 still remains the highlight of my online gaming experience, not just in Elite, but like, ever. So many memories, so many friends made along the way. Its sad to see those days are gone but I'm glad I got to experience them! Burnout is real for sure, I didn't play much after DW2 and there hasn't been enough to tempt me back since those days. It seems Odyssey was a watershed moment for a lot of players. During Horizons we had a thriving community of event creators, after Odyssey its all seemed to stop, or at least not be as impactful. Like you say, there's been nothing on par with the coverage DW2 received back in the day, and there probably never will be now.
If the community thrives, then the game keeps selling. However, FDEV simply does not understand this 101 which is why I stopped playing around 2018-2019. Never bothered to come back. So many broken promises, so much RNG and GRIND and basically no support for the community. I have been with this game since Kickstarter and Alpha, I remember EDDB and INARA, been a mod on the forums for a while but resigned because I could see what was coming... Sad...
I’m sad to see the site down but at the same time happy because I can see where the beautiful voice is coming from nice to see you brother
Ditto to that! You are my goto youtuber for space games and MSFS! It's almost like people fleeing a sinking ship! I think ED will loose most of it's staunch players. The framework was there for ED to be a great game. I just don't think FDEV had the imagination and drive to make it so. RIP ED. I have not played in over a year. But many of my best memories were out in the black exploring. Best wishes to Themroc I hope you will find joy in your future endeavors.
@Robert N Armstrong Jr I left when they thought it was a good idea for them to stop supporting vr fully. :/
Unless frontier takes over Eddb or builds it fully into elite, I’m probably never going to go back to elite. Eddb was MISSION CRITICAL for me.
I see a lot of people appear to feel the same way! I really do hope that Frontier include similar functionality inside the game at some point.
@@ObsidianAnt yeah right would'nt hold my breath
Ditto brother
What about inara
How so I’ve honestly never used it? To my understanding inara does everything eddb did.
Definitely a huge thanks from me to themroc. I would have given up on elite real quick were it not for eddb. I always had it running next to me when I was playing and his hard work definitely was appreciated.
OMG I feel so sad.
Never will I be ever to fly in E:D like I used to.
@@PaulaBean plenty of better space games like star citizen. fuck e:d. dogshit game
I messaged themroc regarding the code, and I'm willing to continue where he left off, and also have developers along-side myself who can help. Unfortunately, for reasons I respect, he couldn't accept.
I express my thanks for themroc for eddb, and ObsidianAnt for always getting us the important news and objective analyses.
Developers should never ever allow a third party tool to become ubiquitous among the playerbase and critical to play their game. Implement the things those tools do in your game ASAP.
Makes me wonder if any of the devs ever actually *played* the game, in the way real players do I mean (or did).
Shhhh, Don't let the EVE players overhear you
@@mapesdhs597 I'm guessing when the devs play the game, all they ever do is go around shooting other players. That's basically all you can do without EDDB.
@@mapesdhs597 They have gone on record that they do not. For example, they have stated that engineering is "100% genuine optional. You do not need it to do *100% of the game.* " Which is mechanically false
They dont want to change how they function as a company. there are games where third parties are way more critical to the lifeblood of the game for example eve online. yet they do great but then they dont have profitting youtubers on the costs of the company trough the negativity being generated.
I am 6 years removed from ED. But I still have OA recommended to be by the algorithm. I do still watch some of his updates to see what I spent 3 years on. This is the first time to see his face. I did NOT expect this. My brain keeps telling me this is a deep fake. Nice to finally see you OA. Your content has always been great for ED. If you move on to another game and make content, I will keep notice and probably give it a try.
I really enjoy this new format.
Thank you!! :)
If Elite doesnt pick this up in some way, this is what cutting your own throat looks like. EDDB was as absolutely critical for my gameplay as your videos are! Not sure if I can go back now... thanks for all the assistance Themroc, and thanks for the update, Commander ObsidianAnt😢
Edit: first time seeing your face, to what do we owe the honor?
Thank you to Themroc I know I could not get through without your database. Good luck in whatever project you do next! Your amazing!
I can't even imagine playing Elite Dangerous w/ out these 3rd party websites. EDDB was crucial to help me understand Elite Dangerous and find my style of gameplay. Shout out to EDDB and all the 3rd party tools who have made Elite Dangerous playable.
The first time I saw cannon’s website and just how much content frontier added to elite that most / many players have next to no other way to discover (other than by chance) and frontier has never felt it necessary to use missions or news stories to gently guide players towards content has always shown me what sort of mentality frontier has in terms of narrative structure.
The same goes for resources.
If they put bases, crash sites, etc into the galaxy, and then the ONLY in-game way to find them is to accidentally stumble upon them, it’s a LOT of work wasted for very very few people to ever discover.
They don’t have to hold players hands to just say, idk, give a delivery mission that goes near a crash site or goes to a base that ends up being abandoned, etc. so players still feel like they’re discovering something by chance even though they were unknowingly guided to it.
But when frontier still thinks it’s acceptable to have to either use one of the few stations that sell everything or dock at station after station to find basic things (assuming you even know what module you’re looking for and what the options are) there’s little hope for more complex things like story elements or discovery.
This is why I stopped playing a while ago, and I bought a lifetime pass. :\ I ended up finding more of the kind of functional immersion I was looking for in games like ETS2, Subnautica and The Forest.
I still remember the first time I saw a Frontier / Elite community live stream, and they created two challenges for the devs to do.
One was a fetch quest that they *required* Eddb in order to complete.
The second was a custom chained mission (before they really existed) and crash site assets a dev created just for himself.
When I saw they had to go to those lengths for their own game I lost a lot of hope in the future of elite, and it only went downhill from there. That was back when I first got into it.
Yesssss.
You know how you never expect the face to go with the voice you've been listening to for years? Well that was me this time.
O7
I don't play anymore, but thanks to Themroc for all the years of support. Thanks for the coverage as well, ObsidianAnt.
The game would never have survived without the work of 3rd parties.
I really appreciate Themroc and his work over the years. As a casual pilot mostly focused on exploration, CGs and freight routes, Elite Dangerous is near impossible for me to play as I have over the years. I find it difficult to lock into a good trade route to pass the evening. o7
All hail Themroc! This is such sad, but totally understandable news. Personally, I just can't understand why this sort of "commodity market" hasn't been in the game itself for years. To be honest, without thing like EDDB, I would have never played ED to the extent I did. Almost everything "fun" in the game rellies on 3-rd party websites and tools. Community Goals will implode and die without things like EDDB. This is a big nail in the ED coffin!
Oh wow! I used this site religiously to the point it’s still a bookmark on my PC even after not playing for over 2 years. Such a gutter
Amazing people in the community, he definitely helped me . I hope the next road for him is golden
I started work on a journal processing web application to display various information and gather stats. I got most of the background journal processing code written, and relevant upload APIs, but then FDev announced the end of console support, and although I don't play on console, it caused me to decide to shelve the project indefinitely due to the uncertainty of the future of the game.
Ah well, I had fun writing what I did, and maybe I'll resurrect it as a desktop application if ED shows some signs of progress.
Frontier needs to sell Elite to a company that is actually competent and cares about players on all systems
Their ego is too big and too obnoxious to accept they’re not doing the right things
I have said this several times, but as you know Frontier would rather let the game die than sell it to another company, believe me ...
What company should they sell to?
@@Joseph-wh5of for example Hello Games
@Tiago Silva So, pretty much any company without shareholders. That would be interesting.
Sir, I just want to say it’s nice to put a face of that amazing voice. I’ve been watching your ED content for a long time and it’s nice to know who is the voice I’ve listened to all these years.
Massive shame. EDDB literally kept me playing. Thanks Themroc.
It was an amazing accomplishment. Thank you to all who took the time and effort into making our Elite Dangerous better.
The number of times the community cried out for support and help from FD to help them progress Frontier's game... Only for empty promises at best.
Lifetime Expansion Pass holder here... "emtpy promises" in reference to ED is the biggest understatement ever...
It's ok, they're going to give you an update on their research into a complete overhaul of some of the game's systems 6 months after the actual overhaul was suppose to be completed...
/SadConsoleNoisesContinue
But if the players band together to create their own game loop and make some credits off of it, Frontier is there with the nerf bat right quick.
As a console player who has almost put in 500 hours, I just have a hard time picking up the game anymore. You would think I would have all this money as well in the game, but I don't.
@@AmericanNationalist852 Lifetime Expansion Pass here too.
So much potential and promise squandered away by poor design and development.
The last 4-5yrs has been terrible to watch.
When i saw the server post in reddit i got really sad since it's one of the best if not the best tool Out ther
I really wish somebody other than Frontier had developed ED :)
Nice one EDDB, you will be missed, o7
Microsoft allegedly offered to buy the IP after Odyssey flopped but instead of recovering their losses and going on to develop their precious F1 games they decided to give consoles the finger and continue to bleed money.
@@SenseiJacksama That would have been good. Imagine ED with a little of the solid progress their flight sim gets!
i dont think anyone else would be able to create an space exploring game without leaving information in the dark, elite has primarily been an exploring game from the start hence the billions of systems. Yet you think you should get all info handed into your lap... than where's the need to explore?
@@InkedRyan Idiotic comment makes commenter look idiotic. You don't think there would be an in game version if EDDB that fits into the lore? Being in space you want access to information on station commodities, system economies etc etc... calling it a cheat sheet they way you imply is ridiculous. That's like saying a computer system for a library is cheating... no.. it's to enable the use of your time, who the hell has the time to try and find one book in an entire library without even alphabetical sorting?
@@slinkerdeer you obviously dont understand the point of my comment. That makes you the idiot instead of me. Let me dumb it absolutely down to the max for you.
- Elite dangerous is a spacefaring game that is about EXPLORING the galaxy.
- Having all the info makes exploring obviously not essential anymore.
- Thus lore benefits of the info not being avalaible to make you more likely to explore the game as intended.
- Above points still apply factually no matter if you agree, its pure statistic and human behaviorism.
- Players discover elite dangerous and download and pay for it.
- They expected something else of an exploring game than exploring.
- They start whining and complaining while boycotting and completely massacre the game with the negativity as influencers ( something that shouldnt be done because if you cant make ethical decisions, you should not be an influencer. I didnt see an ethical correct video for a while. And its commonly agreed that being a source of negativity isnt ethical).
- They start to incite hate and fear in the playerbase, demanding changes and the company to do their will while exploiting the money of the viewers because viewers generate money.
- Thus financially getting better of the backs of other peoples fears and hates because lets be real. We wouldnt watch the yamiks explain something for 40 minutes while other youtubers do it in 5, offer same quality. We do watch the yamiks because of the exploiting and we rather complain than actually be productive.
Now, there was once a political leaders who did this to a certain religion almost exterminating them but we are against that prick. But now obsidian ant and yamiks are doing this to frontier and nobody bats an eye. That makes you an obviously hypocrite.
Bottom line: if you dont have the time as you used for excuse to explore a game, dont friggen buy the game. It makes you look more dumb when you buy it and complain about it. Also its very lore friendly to not have the system for it. Do you have any idea how big of an electrical circuit you would need to beep a signal to another system within the milkyway? More than the station size could generate...
When I started in Operation Ida at the Oracle back in 2017, I looked for a way to best help with my small ship. It turned out that getting EDmarketConnector and doing stock checks at all the ports with over a month old data and less than 150ly from the Pleiades was most help I could do for the most people. Now, I would have to give EDDB credit for where Operation Ida sourced resources for our 200 station repairs. Thank you Themroc, from BlakeA, Op Ida Staff.
ARGH! YOU HAVE A FACE! WHAT? MY WHOLE UNIVERSE IS TURNED UPSIDE DOWN!
I know right. The voices never marry up to the mental projection.
Frontier needs to make an IN-GAME solution to basic things like this. I shouldn't need to leave the game completely in order to look things up, especially when I'm in VR.
Elite Dangerous and first day I had Oculus Rift with Voice attack and X52.. I entered game and couldn't speak from how blown away i was. I just repeatedly shouted, wooooow, woooooow
Absolutely, it was an amazing experience, better without screendoor now. It's also sadly pretty boring lol. I always tell myself I just need to try again, then i spend 20 minutes in hyperdrive. But the first person dlc works in vr in third person, so that's nice at least
@@patar3323 Completely agreeing with you, even it is amazing game with great mechanics they somehow made it boring. Every time I tried, I couldn't make myself play longer then 2 weeks or so. And I have who know much money and all engineered ships etc.
@@ronin6044 ya.. I would put in 100 hrs if it was all exactly like it is, but more realistic flight, instead of separate instances for supercruise, like no top speed in space, just legit fly to your destination
It is impressive just how long he spent time on this project. I wish him the best, and hopefully the other utilities can keep going and fill the gap of any services that are missing. (Inara comes to mind.) Frontier... I just don't know.. they gave up it feels like and if they've given up I'll move on.
I think Frontier gave up years ago. Game had been in maintenance mode and existing just to suck money out of players for the last couple of expansions.
Who else is freaked out to finally be able to put a face to ObsidianAnt's famous voice??? I played the hell out of Elite and walked away a few years back. Still sometimes feel the itch to get back in now and again...
What a treat. I didn't know what you looked like. But that voice, is oh so familiar. Been loving you're reviews for a long time man.
The in game commodity tool is what i have used forever. It only shows 40 lys distance from your current area at the time. One loop hole i found is if you got to a Engineer location by hitting the tab you can still open the commodities tab and see what is around those Engineers the game thinks you are at that location. Most of the times i want modules i look for high tech areas. I played the game for years without these online tools to learn how to do everything with out the need for 3rd party tools. But hopefully my tip helps out some people. The engineer loop hole I noticed was not working the other night but still try it. Also My fleet Carrier SPACEBALL 2 THE STORE has a lot of modules if you need any give me a holler and i can make sure those parts are on it.
But why not Open Source it? Any reasons, please?
Thank you Themroc so much for your work, effort, and sacrifice to be a literal pillar of the community and the game itself. With out you I would never have sunk over 1000 hours into it and what little fun i could have with it. i wish you nothing but success and happiness in you life and future endeavors.
The community did way more to keep this game alive than the developers ever did. This channel (and other youtubers), the Distant Worlds organisers, EDDB, Inara creators etc. The game is truely dead now but thanks all for the ride.
I have to wonder whether Fdev knew the scale of independent support could be relied upon to carry the game for so long even before it launched. Pretty cynical if so, but who knows.
I've always enjoyed your voice. Its very unique to me. Seeing you for the first time today, I got the immediate and completely unexpected thought that you would make an awesome actor. I can picture you being a deep character with lots of back story moving the story along by his presence. A lynch pin character. Maybe the daring fleet commander or head of intelligence or something. Not the guy who jumps on the table throwing chairs but the guy who talks calm but firm like a James Earl Jones or Charleston Heston.
Technically, Elite Dangerous is a discovery game first, as far as I see it, which means a lot of the game is discovering trade routes also, though it would be neat if the game had a database system that could be be part of the space station structures, that would need to be built ingame, kind of like how the map gets updated through discovery.
At this point, frontier should just open up the game to the modding community fully. They have been carrying their game for so long, but their talents have been wasted...
Alas, events to date imply that is something Fdev would never consider.
I was just getting ready to start back up with Elite, after taking a few years off because of life stuff, but upon discovering that EDDB is now gone, motivation is 0%. EDDB provided the community a MASSIVE service over the past 8 years; I'd hazard to say that 99% of players feel an immeasurable amount of gratitude for Themroc's efforts. At the very least, I'm one of those that do. Thank you Themroc for helping a noob commander get his space legs. Obsidian Ant, it speaks volumes that you'd use your platform to highlight others' contributions which have done so much to help the community. Thank you for all that you do, commander.
A once beloved game slowly dies. Although I myself have jumped ship long ago, I do not revel in this. For despite the many problems it's had, I look so fondly upon its past. Perhaps the greatest loss here, is my innocence. For it seems Elite: Dangerous was never the game I even thought it was.
How is it possible that you aren't a narrator for BBC space documentaries? Your voice is amazining and great to listen to
On the subject of tools not being up to scatch: the in-game Neutron Star plotter is nowhere near as good as the third party plotter, which is pretty mind boggling when you think about it.
Even if FDev would put in a system where you could ping the systems within a certain range of your location for the information, that would work for most commanders... And that'd be better immersion into the type of reality that would exist:
"I can see that the station 26 light years away has this module or commodity at X price, but I can't tell if they have it 101 light years away because the trade network can't handle pushing that much information through this far. If I travel 50 light years closer, then I'll know"
Whaalaa! (arbitrary numbers, but you get the idea)
ObsidianAnt can deliver the worst news in the best way.
He surely has a calm about it 😏😇
If the Bubble were static, it'd be one thing to expect us to go around checking prices on our own, and whatnot, but it's NOT. lol
It is really amazing how much love and support the communities offer to Game Development Studios and if all these Studios can't realize it then surely they do not deserve neither lovely communities neither sales, customers or even existence. Fair travels Themroc.
I actually stood up and saluted for a minute
Thank you EDDB
Rest in peace, space cowboy
EDDB, the resource that made Elite somewhat transparent.. We will miss you!
Also thank you for your service Themroc!
Eve was reasonably unplayable without external third party tools too....
This is heartbreaking. As one of the console players who hasn't played since odyssey launched, it's so depressing watching a game you fell in love with slowly go away. I really hope Frontier lets the community have the source code, so we can keep this spectacular game alive, and make it better! And maybe one day I'll be able to fly through the stars again with you all.
I know. Braben said he would, but he's not there anymore. I doubt it'll happen...
How many other tools are also dying because they relied on eddb’s api’s?
Ya, there are alternatives, but Eddb was great because it was so comprehensive and easy to use. Nothing else comes close imo.
I agree - Ships computers should be able to log on to some sort of data-net that has all that info on it.... Even if it only populates by players visiting places, (in-case i'm being unclear: E.g. If i visit a station, then my ship interfaces with said station and then everything at that station becomes available on the data-net that all ships can acccess...), it would still be better than the current state of affairs....
I think the fundamental problem is that there's a disparity between what FDev offers as gameplay and what player want.
FDev seem to take the view that travelling around the galaxy, locating things, is a big part of what the game is about.
Players, OTOH, just want to know what's available, and where it is, so they can go and collect it and then go and do stuff with it.
With that in mind, it's inevitable that FDev was never going to be especially thrilled to help 3rd-parties provide ways to help players bypass a large part of the intended gameplay... and it's to the credit of those 3rd parties that they've always managed to do so.
EDDB helped me make it to Colonia and Beagle Point and back. Ive seen many beautiful and terrifying things out in the black and EDDB helped me through the entire journey. Thanks Themroc
I hate to see Elite fading away. Especially since it didn't have to happen if Frontier had better direction. It could of been the best space game of them all. Lost potential is a bitter pill.
Elite is not fading away, it's a third party website that's closing down.
Yeah... I think most of us were already onto INARA anyway, at this point, but? It was nice to supplement EDDB's quick smart interface for quick data access. INARA is more of a cluttered, and cumbersome design. EDDB was designed to run on mobile device...which was nice for a quick find. EDDB came out when there really were no other tools available, and then much more ambitious competitors came about: INARA, EDSM... etc.
Rip EDDB and thank you, thermroc. The CGs completed with market search, ships bought, modules found, and trades executed. I'll miss this resource.
Fdev could have added NPCs who could tell you where to get the module, resource, commodity you are looking for, for a price, or you could do something for them (mission). They could have implemented a black market for modules. There is so much they could have done instead of bolting on a FPS.
Themroc, if your reading through this, thank you so much for the time and effort you put into EDDB! I stopped playing Elite Dangerous a year ago because IMO, Frontier SUXX, but before my departure, EDDB was an invaluable resource that should have been an integrated part of the game. Thanks again bro and best wishes!
The fact that FD couldn't work out a way to make this work within the context of "you can't communicate faster than light" lore (which seems to be their main argument) shows their limited vision. I can think of a few ways that could work within game to allow a station to know more about what other stations in systems close by are doing/selling, even opening up some different mission types/gameplay loops for players just off the top of my head. Could even help make people feel more connected to the systems, helping to keep data flowing.
Apparently stations can't communicate useful, even vital data over great distances but we can teleport into someones seat from the other side of the galaxy to make their guns go pew for a bit.
Wow, yeah, its still sinking in.... EDDB got me throgh some tough times.. i really wouldn't be where i am in the game had it not been there in the first place...
EDDB... you SHALL be missed !!!
Themroc, THANK YOU for your hard work and extreme effort, plain words though, really aren't enough !!!!
Ant, great vids as always, and thankyou too, greatt job !!!
This is the first time I've ever seen ObsidianAnt! Nothing like I imagined! :)
ED is great when it comes to feel the endlessness of space. But trade and technology is a horror compared to what other established games have made of it. As an EVE ONLINE player with many years and many wars on his belt I naturally would love to see some concepts from EVE's market and industry system reimagined in ED. I strongly believe that a hybrid of EVE ONLINE and ELITE DANGEROUS would be the king of kings among exploration space simulations.
Man Themroc was not joking cleaning that JSON data is irritating if you have ever used it when building an app. But really why a lot of that data is not visible in game is insane.
I've personally preferred using Inara for planning out things in Elite
EDDB was the FIRST outside resource I discovered and it made a tremendous increase in my progress possible. We owe Themroc a tremendous debt. I'd like to see him honored in some way within the game. #FDEV
I bought this game in 2016. I couldn't do it properly and wasn't over keen on it until last year when I listened to a guide that mentioned eddb. Now, I've owned every ship, and have an A rated (mostly) grade 5 (mostly) type 10 beast, can almost buy a fleet carrier and can sit in the top 10% in the community goal, thanks to eddb.
(And only have a laptop and using a ps4 pad)
I hate losing EDDB but I understand. I appreciate your videos, thank you so much. On a side note, actor Tim Roth is the face I imagined when hearing your voice lol . However, your actual look is similar to mine so I love it. Thanks again for all you do for us.
EDDB was a very important tool, but if you do a project and make it depend entirely on you, the most normal thing is that it ends as EDDB did, on the other hand effectively the work of shaping the data is quite large, in the end I think it closed for the simple fact that he was not offered the amount of money he wanted to charge for his work.
Who's that fella lip syncing to ObsidianAnt's voice?
Doing a good job! 😜
Woah! Good thing I use INARA! 😳 - As always, great news/update video - Thank you Sir. ← Comment for algorithm + 👍 'd
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I was just this weekend mapping out my journey as an explorer in Elite Odyssey, which i brought just the other month, was getting really psyched after watching ''Commander Exorcist's'' informative explorer series of vids, well this news has knocked that idea on the solidly on the head, yet it must be an omen, as X4 Foundations new DLC gets released tomorrow, and its another game ive yet to try....looks like X4's the winner.
Interesting fact: EDDB is also an ICAO code for Berlin-Brandenburg Airport in Germany.
Well, first off: Thanks for EDDB´s efforts over the years.
That being said: I think the issue, for me as a player, anyways, is not so much that Frontier isnt supportive enough about passing ingame data to 3rd party websites, but rather, that it failed to implement a decent information economy and management within the game, as i think that information available to players should always come from players (not the game´s database directly). Players should be able to choose if they want to "upload" certain information to a "galactic database" (there could even multiple databases split between the factions) and any time this information is being pulled by another player, there is a tiny reward for the player submitting that information. Some types of information would be "first gets rewarded" (f.e.: star system information - that which is today exploration data) and others should be "most recent gets rewarded" (f.e.: market prices).
In other words, sites like EDDB should not only not be needed in the first place, but actually be discouraged and detrimental to the games mechanics, which should be designed in a way, that encourages the use of the game´s internal information system over any external site on both ends, the provider (by ingame rewards) and the user (by making it free, or at least very cheap, and easy to access) of information.
Exactly this! Just imagine that NPC factions could have commended you for bringing profitable market route to them. There could be "planning good trade route" missions. The aligned factions could give you more coverage of prices... and so on.
Heh I still LOVE that game. The stars, the flight model is beautiful. Missed opportunities hurt though.
If Elite kinda mirrored Star Cifizen I’d probably play this game more especially in VR. Being able to walk in ship interiors and load up your ship with your SRV would be f’n awesome in this game.
I love ED due to the immersion being in a vast universe with that realistic style. Two things in the game however instantly break that immersion:
1) getting kicked due to some "matchmaking" stuff
2) having to alt-tab out from cockpit onto my desktop and browse some website to find basic equipment
such a big fuss about a most simple search function. automatic trade routes etc, thats debatable, but totally understandable that many call the game "unplayable" without 3rd party tools
I used to use it a lot. But thinking back for the last few years I have mostly been using Inara. I find the user experience to be much better
Dammmmmnnnnnnn I was on EDDB back when void opals were going for crazy prices back in 2018. I loved it. Got all my modules and everything because of it.
Oof... This is sad :( Odyssey was NOT what the game needed. A lot more ships, a lot more diverse situations to use them, more depth to its systems... And we barely got any of that in 4 years. Any new players not going to RUclips will entirely miss all the Thargoid stuff and many other things that are extremely hidden. They even put VR on the side, which is the only way for me to play this amazing game. I really don't understand what kind of hubris took on there, but it really killed the game insanely fast. :(
FDev is just extremely incompetent.
Funny, I quit ED about the time Odyssey was 3-4 months away from release... when it came out I was not interested about it at all with all the performance issues and redundant gameplay, its just more grinding for no reason!
Now that Odyssey is much cheaper I was actually considering buying it to see if it got better... guess what?? not anymore... I will 100% not going trough the PAIN!! of playing ED without EDDB... EDDB and INARA Is a must period, theres no doubt about it!
Side note: Obsidian if anyother member of the community makes a new type of "EDDB", pls make a vid about it so we know it exists!
As soon as I know about it, I will do that.
The "Market Connector" program has also been depicted for a few months now. Dev stopped working on it. So when an update happens that breaks it, it's gone.
8:29 true but the very fact you have to land at a station to purchase and fit parts (rather than ordering for delivery from your ship and having them fitted later at the place of your choosing) feels bizarrely retro for a game set more than 1,000 years in the future. And you’re also flying around in spaceships that don’t even have a rear-view mirror or port/starboard lights. Let’s face it… this isn’t a sim.
Elite Dangerous has always been two (three with Odyssey) arcade games wearing a simulator's trenchcoat.
Thank you Themroc, you absolute hero.
I used EDDB exclusively when playing ED. Now that it's gone... Well, the game will be far more frustrating now.
It's fun to be able to match a face to that magnificant voice of yours. I don't know why, but the YT algorithm hasn't recommended you to me for a while now 🤨 Welcome back to my YT algorithm
It’s really mind boogling that frontier created a futuristic world with spaceships but no internet or other communication devices. RIP EDDB.
We have computers for navigation but they can’t store prices or plan routes to optimize profits. /s
Thank you for all the effort though Themroc!
I only spend like 20h in ED as I only found out about it when I got into VR. Have not seen much but really liked what I got to experience.
It was just too hard to progress, and it's less easy to browse the web while playing VR. I can imagine how much of a help EDDB was.
Frontier is so tone death they're making star citizen look legit.
It’s overwhelmingly clear that Fdev have moved Elite down a whole load of pegs to a mere skeleton dev team, who have just enough resources to keep the servers running and patching the odd game-breaking bug that pops up. Any hopes of things changing are misplaced. Anyone who’s worked with or for a dev studio know that once they have decided to skeleton a game, it’s never going to get the love it deserves, no matter how much the community cries for change.
Despite everything, it must have been a really difficult decision to bring to a close a project you've been working on and running for so long. My guess is that Themroc has been thinking about doing this for a long while before biting the bullet. Thank you Themroc for all your hard work.
Holy fuck RIP EDDB, thanks for everything Themroc.