Sorry, but you are incorrect on so many fronts ... e.g. it seems you completely forgot about IntelliJ's IDEs which had git integration before VS Code became popular (I used them). VS Code is surely a low-impact choice for many developers, but it wasn't really first, or fastest, in much of anything.
IntelliJ is very good, with the downside of costing $100+ per year. Which in the grand scheme of things isn't terrible, but it definitely one of the reasons VSCode is popular. I would rate IntelliJ superior in some ways, I used to use Android Studio, which is essentially an IntelliJ variant that is free, and their speed and intellisense are top notch, I just don't feel like paying $100+/year when VSCode is still pretty good. I would say A vs B+. If you get the extensions for your language/framework VSCode is very good, though occasionally function following is subpar.
True. But that's what makes VS Code so great. Today you are working on a particular language or framework. Tomorrow, if you need to work on a different language or framework, you only need a few extensions. You don't need to learn the quirks of a completely different IDE that best suites the new language or framework.
I beg to differ. VS Code is both. It is for sure used as an IDE. Out of the box it is a stripped IDE. One or two extensions are enough to be a full IDE
@@modupeladele sublime tedt is lightweight, vs code just like atom is built on top of js and v8 so runs on top of a browser, seeing over a 400mb to GBsof ram usage doesn't scream lightweight
@@ironman5034 Mine uses around 1GB per Window/Project, usually takes 2 or 3 GB of memory. it is not lightweight however it is almost always very responsive
Seemles integration with git as an ground breaking feature?! Visual studio beeing used mostly internally by Microsoft?! Nice animation, but maybe do some more research next time, 'cose most of your technical facts are just plain wrong and its immediately apparent to anyone who's been into programming for more than 5 minutes
I used to use Netbeans starting around 2008 and it had Git integration. The program was overall a bit clunky and resource heavy, but it had Git integration.
I never understood the typescript allure. JS is riddled with flaws, so Typescript is built on top of it. But then looking at your sourcecode in Chrome dev tools you still need to know JS, and it may not line up perfectly. Maybe proper debuggers can get around this and I am uninformed but seems like just a bandaid. I think the world would be better of if JS was scrapped, or at least given major breaking changes to fix its plethora of flaws. But it is so entrenched now it will never die.
VScode was not lighter, faster, or more versatile than Atom. What kind of marketing BS is that? Like most Microsoft products, it's just a cheap copy of another product and that other product was Atom. Most of the ideas and concepts and even the UI were copied from Atom, except that Atom was even more hackable and therefore much more versatile. Atom also supported debugging in the editor, and it supported extensions, but unlike VScode's extensions, Atom's extensions could actually change everything about the editor. And why is VScode faster? Atom and VScode are both based on HTML, CSS, and JavaScript and both run on the same type of backend. The only reason Atom doesn't exist anymore is because Atom was the editor of GitHub, Microsoft bought GitHub, and then they killed Atom. Buying competitors just to kill their products is another tactic that Microsoft has been doing for over three decades now.
Sorry, but Atom was a slow slug indeed. I liked Atom for its functionality but switched to VSCode for speed. And as soon as many did switch, VSCode's plugin ecosystem grew a lot faster than Atom's.
@@QDSGames Sorry, but Atom was a slow slug indeed? By which metric and according to which benchmark? I'm still using Atom on a 2009 Mac Mini and I see almost no difference when editing files with it compared to 2021 notebook running VScode.
I found VS Code way snappier than Atom, and with Intellisense and a larger extension store, it was a no brainer switch at the time. Now when I have to use an electron based editor it's vscodium, but ultimately I went back to Jetbrains. And now I want to be brave enough to use only Neovim.
@@nymusicman I don't think that there would be an issue switching to Pulsar, there just wasn't any need for it. And whoever thinks that Atom sucked certainly thinks so about Pulsar, after all it's just a fork that spawned of almost exactly two years ago and it's still Atom pretty much everywhere. I just use it for editing config files (JSON, XML, text) and shell scripts on that Mac. And considering that this Mac is "ancient" hardware wise (the hardware is 15 years old!), it certainly wasn't a bad editor, considering how well it still runs on it. Whether CoffeeScript was a good choice, I doubt it. This is probably the week spot of the code base.
NetBeans introduced built-in git support in 2011, Visual Studio in 2013, VS Code production version (not beta) was published in 2015, so it wasn't first
Never used vscode, but use and own the full visual studio and always using the pre-release so I'm on the edge of the latest. As a Blazor web developer, I find it a super powerful IDE that speeds up development. Thank you Microsoft for giving us these powerful tools and the framework to build on.
I never considered VS Code because it was MS but fearing the death of my beloved Brackets, I hopped aboard the VS Code train and found the ride to be nice.
I generally use what works for me. Don’t care who’s behind it. Sometimes it’s Microsoft, sometimes not. I use VS Code a lot, in practice mainly for non-Microsoft development. E.g., Python, Rust, blockchain.
Using pc since the 90 here with ms and mac and Linux ... can't think about that if microsoft never existed the tech world would be more advanced than today.
There is another alternative, Eclipse Theia. I suggest checking it out. It's truly FOSS and aims to have a FOSS ecosystem, which is extra hard/interesting in a world of everything as a service and AI buddies.
considering how Mozilla have mismanaged Firefox I'm not sure if you'd get anything worthwhile. If it wasn't for Google propping them up so that Chrome isn't declared a monopoly they'd be gone now.
sorry but you're wrong about history and facts! Windows 8.1 was not the faillure, it was Windows 8! This is not the first time Microsoft fails, Windows Me, Windows Vista are failure too. Windows 9x were also failures with constant crashes, since Microsoft developed Windows for Home users based on NT kernel after Windows 2000! And I'm quite sure other versions were failure before Windows 9x. Visual Studio was not unstable or heavy. It was a series of different tools like Visual Basic IDE, MFC C++ IDE. The only drawback was the way to deliver the application through the setup tool and ocx. If you used to test the setup on your development computer, you have to be careful to not delete ocx when uninstalling. Otherwise the VB IDE couldn't find the components. Since .Net 1.0 everything changed, including IDE. Visual Studio 2002 was a big change, and everything was nice till VS 2017. After that, yeah devs from MS became to do shit and breaking things in VS, making it slow with useless tools like telemetry, etc. However VSCode was a project started as a mini Visual Studio, lighter and without all unnecessary tools and it fitted perfectly for .Net Core! Sure they implemented the idea of plugins, different kind of project and frameworks, etc. But it was not made to compete against Visual Studio suite, they have different purpose. Plus, the intellisense in Visual Studio IDE is way better than the one in VS Code. It has always been on top of intellisense of all IDE made. The one on VS Code is not that good... Version control management already existed in Visual Studio way before VS Code... I stop there because there is a lot of wrong things talked in the video. VS Code is not the revolution of IDE...
I'm fairly certain the yearly stackoverflow survey showed VSCode is becoming the #1 IDE out there, not 'one of', but full blown #1. Might have changed, and its not a foolproof source, but definitely interesting. (Sidenote: the satisfaction rate for vscode was also highest among editors)
there is a little contradiction in the video. he says the editor was opensource from the beginning and yet Microsoft turned it open source to put concerned developers at ease. so which is it? was it open source from the beginning or did it become open source later? cant be both.
There is one piece of the puzzle missing in this video, Webmatrix. Webmatrix was Microsoft's first (to the best of my knowledge) attempt to make a lightweight, web focused code editor with some IDE capabilities, that was discontinued in favor of VS Code, but was very similar to VS Code.
The one thing that is starting to happen with these various VSCode forks is that MS is restricting some of their most useful closed-source extensions (ie. Pylance) to official VSCode only. MS doing MS things. My hope is that as AI coding assistants and agents (compatible with other editors, including forks of VSCode) get better, the dependence on the closed-source extensions will diminish.
Most of them still work if you copy them manually. Only a handful actually require the original VS Code (for example remote ssh and some docker stuff). I have VS Codium and it works fine.
Because they do you don’t want them to do. It’s always a struggle with IDE when you use JetBrains products. Can’t understand how they became so popular. And who is paying for them. Masochists.
When Big Tech buys/founds/funds OSS projects, they become BIGGER enemies of OSS, and humanity in general. This is true of IBM owning RedHat, for example, and all the stuff owned by Oracle. And VSC did not "win over" developers, it was FORCED on them by Microsoft's ubiquity in corporate development environments. And whatever is popular in corporate development is almost always harmful. Think of Teams. Everyone uses it, but it's pure garbage. This video comes across as propaganda, not history. As another example of that, it's an implicit lie to state gormlessly that Microsoft clarified they were collecting the data anonymously, and only using it for improvement. That is what they CLAIMED, but you might as well trust a tobacco scientist on how nicotine makes you healthier.
Eclipse integrated with GIT long before VScode. In fact most of what VScode does was done in Eclipse. Eclipse was also buggy as all get out, a feat VScode has also duplicated. In fact this video seems to go out of its way to AVOID mentioning Eclipse, which is the closest editor in function to VScode.
First version of VSCode was almost a copy of Atom. First time, I stil used Atom instead of VSCode. Because Microsoft buyed GitHub, that build Atom, it stopped active development op Atom so every development goes to VSCode. VSCode vs Atom is not fair, because Microsoft can control both.
Loads of editors and IDEs had git integration before vsc. What made it popular was it was lightweight, extensible and open. It was also MS’s choice for illustrating typescript tutorials.
One thing to be concerned about is that vscode is licensed under the MIT license, which doesn't provide an explicit patent grant. If Microsoft were really serious about open source they would at least use the MIT/Apache 2.0 license stack or just use the Apache 2.0 license.
What i believe is it's we developers who built these software. If something wrong happens with us, we are capable to build another alternative for us.. companies just provide the product but at the end its built by developers
I think they maide it free for personal use so most people get used to it and then they can exort fee from corporations and personal can not use it for business purposes
VS Code to Atom is what Teams to Slack and Windows to Linux. It's a "free" honeypot where your every keypress is immediately sent to Microsoft to train their AI which will first replace and then enslave you. The good news is everybody knows that, and no self-respecting startup will allow having anything Microsoft or Google closer than a mile near their HQ (note the "self-respecting" part, it doesn't refer to YOUR startup, node.js script kiddie). Typed this on my Flexowriter/UART/RISC-V Pi with ED, BTW.
VS Code is literary an IDE minus plugins. And When It Comes To IDEs, Then JetBrains' Pycharm, Clion, WebStorm, IntelliJ IDEA Outperform VSCode in all aspects.
@@codeninja-d3w I assumed he was talking about the time when VS Code came out (so 2015), at which time Visual Studio was quite a popular IDE for C++ and .Net development.
Yeah kind of a word salad with template images. Also please go easy on the animations and the sudden sounds. It's just dizzying. It feels fake, far from the reality. Like cheap american documentaries that show the same stuff over and over. I see value. I think you will get better. Thanks for the video.
If there was ever a video that was surely produced by AI, this is it. Script sounds like it was written by someone with learning disabilities, same stock footage used over and over - checks all the boxes
This year I got into programming and was surprised the free and open source program everyone was using was made by Microsoft! When I went to the website to download it, I thought I came to the wrong place purely because it was a Microsoft site. I was thinking to myself, "Okay, so I have to pay for this at some point, right?" I'm not a Microsoft hater btw. I still use Windows and one of my computers is a Surface Pro.
Thank you so much for your support! In this video, my goal was to bring a new perspective for developers, with a touch of added drama. It’s meant to be more of a mini-movie than a tech tutorial, purely for entertainment. I hope you enjoy it, and I’m excited to keep improving with future videos. - Deven
The entire video is made with pictures given by AI on prompts from random words that have been said. You can see it when 'handing by a thread' results in a picture of the word 'threats' appearing.
I think it's just stock footage/images. Notice how all the layers of random images and assets slide over each other, but stay in their layers? it's simple 2d animation, AI can't do that, so the editing is safe. The assets themselves aren't necessarily safe, but I saw no sausage/tendril fingers, and I saw lots of stock footage I've seen before in other videos, some from before AI art was good enough. The videos also have regularly spelled word in single regular fonts. It's not exactly an original editing style, but it was executed by a human, and pretty well. The writing though, eayehhhh I dunno. I mean, no mention of vscodium, extremely generic sentences and corpospeak, it makes sense. I think instead of an AI taking a humans words and making a video for them, it might have been the other way around, and the voice acting sounds right at the line between very good AI and flat human. Edit: yeah, the voice is AI, or possibly one of those humans who voice act utterly generic stuff, either way, doesn't match previous vids at all. If the latter and it's a payed voice actor, I honest;y don't have much issue with this video, it's just boring, if the former, especially if the writing is ai, why did this guy edit this together??? Like why the effort at all if it's otherwise AI slop
"Microsoft had already developed an integrated development environment back in" *1991*. In the form of "QuickC for Windows", if you require a GUI to qualify (if not, then 1987 for the text mode versions and also PWB). Those syntax coloring, breakpoints, single step, variable inspection, etc. QCfW then led to "Visual Studio", "Developer Studio", etc. So I don't know what 1997 refers to except maybe VS 5.x, which is way down the line. VSCode "lightweight"? I guess that's subjective, though I'm from a different era. But I agree VSCode is important because for one it's cross platform, and for two it supports a much more diverse ecosystem of build environments, etc., which can be extended. DS is more walled garden.
You're right that Microsoft had developed IDEs long before 1997, with QuickC for Windows being an early example. In the video, I focused more on the transition to Visual Studio and how VS Code's cross-platform nature and extensibility have made it a key tool today. Thanks for sharing your insights!
@@CodeSource Still, what's the relevance of the unnamed 1997 MS IDE for VSC? If you were talking about Visual Studio then no, that's not how it happened. Each Visual Studio was marketed and published as a separate product. That's how software was distributed back then. And when new release came, you could still pick the older one and many of them were still receiving updates. Don't like bleak Metro GUI in VS 2012? Install 2010 and have it until MS gets it's shit together (which they did on the very next release). And sure VSes where a bit bloated but never unresponsive. VSC is nowhere near being lightweight, it's somewhere between bloat and light. Until you install extensions, then it's back to proper bloat. I don't know how you can call VSC revolutionary. Maybe it's baby's first toy syndrome. Take a good look at Visual Studio with C# workload, how it feels to write, how debugger is actually integrated how settings actually have GUI. It's not JSON and ducktape like VSC.
I was a daily user of Developer Studio, Visual Studio and its other name variants between 1996 and 2016. This was all for building native WinApps including COM but not .NET. The (older) editor component had its quirks but I generally found it quite usable and, in hindsight, generally a good one, even compared to my other favourite vim. However, there were especially two version upgrades that were particular let downs. The first was when they went from a native win32 app (version 6.x) to the .NET based (was it 2003? I don't remember). That one was much slower than before, but the build system was better and more stable once you got the hang of it. The editor, though, couldn't handle as large files as before. I noticed because I was sometimes working with huge data files as ASCII with more than 11 million lines (for some regex preprosessing). The new editor simply couldn't open them ("too large"). The v6 editor could! If I'm not completely mistaken I seem to remember that even Notepad could open such large files, although with a noticable delay! The other "negative" upgrade I think was maybe to version 2012 or 2014 or thereabout. Yet again the new version was much much slower than the predecessor. Startup of the IDE was painfully slow on my work machine, but I noticed other PCs were not affected to the same degree. I never checked how that editor handled the 11mill line file, mainly because I had more convenient access to awk by then 😉
not sure if i agree, that vscode had the best git integration, eclipse had a pretty good one, with some features i still miss in gitlens, i would rather say it was the ease of installing plugins and obviously easier plugin development given it uses javascript also not sure if MS gave up VS itself, as e.g. c# support is far better in VisualStudio itself, e.g. code generation
great video but i want to clarify that vs code is very heavy on system resources and non responsive compared to other ide's like sublime text so its still not the best but one of the greatest ! (sublime text is the best :)
I just use vscode and very comfortable use this IDE or editor, free and so easily switch between language C ,C++ Python, PHP, Java ,Qt and vscode light application
I think Microsoft should make VS code free and a better solution, they can earn from it by providing seamless integration for their tools like copilot, those who want these services would automatically migrate to it. Data un-security: Literally this is the most bad thing that can be happened!
Very little content in this video. It would be nice, for example to have a comparison of VS Code and Visual Studio on Windows, and how features like intellisense are used on both; and how project files and make files are handled.
The script of the video is pushing the idea of Microsoft holding VSCode users hostage, when history has shown multiple times that companies in this position are very vulnerable. Any breach of trust will lead to significant effort being put in open source fork to implement alternatives to proprietary components
So much bad info here. Git integration is something that even old school IDES have had and text editors too. Octocat for atom is an example. This video acts like vscode is some sort of revolution when really it is there because any javascript/frontend/python development is made easier by it. If you are developing in C#, Java, PHP, etc... your traditional IDEs will do a WAY better job. VSCode intellisense is literal garbage compared to what jetbrains is putting out. The real thing is that most kids dont have that money for a good IDEs so they use something like eclipse or netbeans. That trash makes them swear off ides, go to college code in vscode and eventually realize they need an IDE and get jetbrains.
VSCode is going down hill... the intelisense loses the plot and often just gets in the way, you can't randomly park your mouse for fear some pointless popup will get in the way of what you're doing or trying to read... It's my favourite editor but it's not improving at all, for me it's visibly worse now than a year ago...
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@@CodeSource vim would be a good candidate
@@jabuci Sure, Vim is great, thanks for suggestion, keep visiting for the updates on video
@@CodeSource also emacs
@@kjyu4539emacs is so much better than vscode
Please remove the intermission-styled chapter slides. They have to be killing your retention. It takes the momentum your video builds and dashes it.
@@AlexanderMorou sure, i will improve in next video
Agree
Agree
Sorry, but you are incorrect on so many fronts ... e.g. it seems you completely forgot about IntelliJ's IDEs which had git integration before VS Code became popular (I used them). VS Code is surely a low-impact choice for many developers, but it wasn't really first, or fastest, in much of anything.
I use Jetbrains CLion (cousin of IntelliJ) and it beats VS Code on every front. And it is free for students, too.
I stopped watching halfway through. Not much of the video to that point was true.
IntelliJ is very good, with the downside of costing $100+ per year. Which in the grand scheme of things isn't terrible, but it definitely one of the reasons VSCode is popular. I would rate IntelliJ superior in some ways, I used to use Android Studio, which is essentially an IntelliJ variant that is free, and their speed and intellisense are top notch, I just don't feel like paying $100+/year when VSCode is still pretty good. I would say A vs B+. If you get the extensions for your language/framework VSCode is very good, though occasionally function following is subpar.
"VSCode" is an editor, not an IDE like "Visual Studio". You need a lot of extensions to make it work like an IDE.
True. But that's what makes VS Code so great. Today you are working on a particular language or framework. Tomorrow, if you need to work on a different language or framework, you only need a few extensions. You don't need to learn the quirks of a completely different IDE that best suites the new language or framework.
I beg to differ. VS Code is both. It is for sure used as an IDE. Out of the box it is a stripped IDE. One or two extensions are enough to be a full IDE
It's awesome you can get any extension you need and ONLY what you need. It's far better than Visual Studio, which is HUUUGE.
VSCode is like Legos, and people love Legos for a reason
@@gamedevinn In that case, you better not step on VSCode. 😉
Lightweight????
You don't think it is?
@@modupeladele sublime tedt is lightweight, vs code just like atom is built on top of js and v8 so runs on top of a browser, seeing over a 400mb to GBsof ram usage doesn't scream lightweight
@@ironman5034 Yeah, I don't disagree with you. But with all features that VS Code has, I'm surprised it isn't heavier.
@@ironman5034 Mine uses around 1GB per Window/Project, usually takes 2 or 3 GB of memory. it is not lightweight however it is almost always very responsive
Yes, compare it with Pycharm, you will know
Lets not forget microsoft also owns chatgpt and github which is commonly used by devs
11 chapters on a 12mins video😶
Seemles integration with git as an ground breaking feature?! Visual studio beeing used mostly internally by Microsoft?! Nice animation, but maybe do some more research next time, 'cose most of your technical facts are just plain wrong and its immediately apparent to anyone who's been into programming for more than 5 minutes
This is done for "conspiracy theory" viewers and its keep this level.
I used to use Netbeans starting around 2008 and it had Git integration. The program was overall a bit clunky and resource heavy, but it had Git integration.
Its really impressive that they did this with typescript. Its like building the Eiffel tower out of toothpicks.
I never understood the typescript allure. JS is riddled with flaws, so Typescript is built on top of it. But then looking at your sourcecode in Chrome dev tools you still need to know JS, and it may not line up perfectly. Maybe proper debuggers can get around this and I am uninformed but seems like just a bandaid. I think the world would be better of if JS was scrapped, or at least given major breaking changes to fix its plethora of flaws. But it is so entrenched now it will never die.
VScode was not lighter, faster, or more versatile than Atom. What kind of marketing BS is that? Like most Microsoft products, it's just a cheap copy of another product and that other product was Atom. Most of the ideas and concepts and even the UI were copied from Atom, except that Atom was even more hackable and therefore much more versatile. Atom also supported debugging in the editor, and it supported extensions, but unlike VScode's extensions, Atom's extensions could actually change everything about the editor. And why is VScode faster? Atom and VScode are both based on HTML, CSS, and JavaScript and both run on the same type of backend. The only reason Atom doesn't exist anymore is because Atom was the editor of GitHub, Microsoft bought GitHub, and then they killed Atom. Buying competitors just to kill their products is another tactic that Microsoft has been doing for over three decades now.
Sorry, but Atom was a slow slug indeed. I liked Atom for its functionality but switched to VSCode for speed. And as soon as many did switch, VSCode's plugin ecosystem grew a lot faster than Atom's.
@@QDSGames Sorry, but Atom was a slow slug indeed? By which metric and according to which benchmark? I'm still using Atom on a 2009 Mac Mini and I see almost no difference when editing files with it compared to 2021 notebook running VScode.
I found VS Code way snappier than Atom, and with Intellisense and a larger extension store, it was a no brainer switch at the time. Now when I have to use an electron based editor it's vscodium, but ultimately I went back to Jetbrains. And now I want to be brave enough to use only Neovim.
@@xcoder1122 Are you really still using Atom? Is there an issue with switching to Pulsar?
@@nymusicman I don't think that there would be an issue switching to Pulsar, there just wasn't any need for it. And whoever thinks that Atom sucked certainly thinks so about Pulsar, after all it's just a fork that spawned of almost exactly two years ago and it's still Atom pretty much everywhere. I just use it for editing config files (JSON, XML, text) and shell scripts on that Mac.
And considering that this Mac is "ancient" hardware wise (the hardware is 15 years old!), it certainly wasn't a bad editor, considering how well it still runs on it. Whether CoffeeScript was a good choice, I doubt it. This is probably the week spot of the code base.
I love VS code a lot. Seriously that's an amazing tool created.
NetBeans introduced built-in git support in 2011, Visual Studio in 2013, VS Code production version (not beta) was published in 2015, so it wasn't first
Also Atom being developed by GitHub before GitHub got bought by MicroSoft had git integration since day 0.
Never used vscode, but use and own the full visual studio and always using the pre-release so I'm on the edge of the latest. As a Blazor web developer, I find it a super powerful IDE that speeds up development. Thank you Microsoft for giving us these powerful tools and the framework to build on.
I never considered VS Code because it was MS but fearing the death of my beloved Brackets, I hopped aboard the VS Code train and found the ride to be nice.
I generally use what works for me. Don’t care who’s behind it. Sometimes it’s Microsoft, sometimes not.
I use VS Code a lot, in practice mainly for non-Microsoft development. E.g., Python, Rust, blockchain.
Using pc since the 90 here with ms and mac and Linux ... can't think about that if microsoft never existed the tech world would be more advanced than today.
If microsoft was not there the audience would be a miniscule and niche.
There is another alternative, Eclipse Theia. I suggest checking it out. It's truly FOSS and aims to have a FOSS ecosystem, which is extra hard/interesting in a world of everything as a service and AI buddies.
Thanks for sharing, Eclipse Theia Looks Good - Deven
"VS Code was as fast as Sublime Text" and "startup time comparable to sublime text". Man you really lost me at those lol
Developers worldwide must hold on tight and stay with VIM or NEOVIM or EMACS. Those are our true strongholds.
Me on Neovim with plugins 😮
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IDEally , I would LOVE head over heels a code editor from Mozilla
considering how Mozilla have mismanaged Firefox I'm not sure if you'd get anything worthwhile. If it wasn't for Google propping them up so that Chrome isn't declared a monopoly they'd be gone now.
"IDEally" I got that pun 😁
I've been developing software for 20 years now. This is the first time I'm learning of zed or idx.
Bro managed to split 12mnt video into 11 chapter, what a legend
I use emacs btw.
Who?
I use emacs btw.
How do you know someone uses emacs? They’ll tell you.
Keep fighting on mate!
@@davidpower3102 How else would people know it exist?
I'm sorry, you guys are outdated. It is still the era of VIM!!!!
sorry but you're wrong about history and facts! Windows 8.1 was not the faillure, it was Windows 8! This is not the first time Microsoft fails, Windows Me, Windows Vista are failure too. Windows 9x were also failures with constant crashes, since Microsoft developed Windows for Home users based on NT kernel after Windows 2000! And I'm quite sure other versions were failure before Windows 9x.
Visual Studio was not unstable or heavy. It was a series of different tools like Visual Basic IDE, MFC C++ IDE. The only drawback was the way to deliver the application through the setup tool and ocx. If you used to test the setup on your development computer, you have to be careful to not delete ocx when uninstalling. Otherwise the VB IDE couldn't find the components.
Since .Net 1.0 everything changed, including IDE. Visual Studio 2002 was a big change, and everything was nice till VS 2017. After that, yeah devs from MS became to do shit and breaking things in VS, making it slow with useless tools like telemetry, etc. However VSCode was a project started as a mini Visual Studio, lighter and without all unnecessary tools and it fitted perfectly for .Net Core! Sure they implemented the idea of plugins, different kind of project and frameworks, etc. But it was not made to compete against Visual Studio suite, they have different purpose.
Plus, the intellisense in Visual Studio IDE is way better than the one in VS Code. It has always been on top of intellisense of all IDE made. The one on VS Code is not that good...
Version control management already existed in Visual Studio way before VS Code... I stop there because there is a lot of wrong things talked in the video. VS Code is not the revolution of IDE...
I'm fairly certain the yearly stackoverflow survey showed VSCode is becoming the #1 IDE out there, not 'one of', but full blown #1.
Might have changed, and its not a foolproof source, but definitely interesting.
(Sidenote: the satisfaction rate for vscode was also highest among editors)
there is a little contradiction in the video. he says the editor was opensource from the beginning and yet Microsoft turned it open source to put concerned developers at ease. so which is it? was it open source from the beginning or did it become open source later? cant be both.
I use notepad btw
I use a white paper btw
There is one piece of the puzzle missing in this video, Webmatrix. Webmatrix was Microsoft's first (to the best of my knowledge) attempt to make a lightweight, web focused code editor with some IDE capabilities, that was discontinued in favor of VS Code, but was very similar to VS Code.
The one thing that is starting to happen with these various VSCode forks is that MS is restricting some of their most useful closed-source extensions (ie. Pylance) to official VSCode only. MS doing MS things.
My hope is that as AI coding assistants and agents (compatible with other editors, including forks of VSCode) get better, the dependence on the closed-source extensions will diminish.
Most of them still work if you copy them manually. Only a handful actually require the original VS Code (for example remote ssh and some docker stuff).
I have VS Codium and it works fine.
4:59 The illusion that vim is dated ... What is new in VSCode? Apart the ability to shoot the user in the leg; namely electron.
I've been using vs code since August 2016 and I've never looked back.
That's ma boy🍭
Remember, if you aren't paying for the product, you are the product.
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I dunno why but I feel uncomfortable with PyCharm and Jetbrains based IDE.
VSCode makes me feel calm no matter what language I play with !
Because they do you don’t want them to do. It’s always a struggle with IDE when you use JetBrains products. Can’t understand how they became so popular. And who is paying for them. Masochists.
I tried WebStorm foe couple of days i ended switching back to vs code
PHPStorm is the best PHP IDE around. VS Code is much worse. Sublime text is good as a lightweight editor, if you don't need an IDE.
When Big Tech buys/founds/funds OSS projects, they become BIGGER enemies of OSS, and humanity in general.
This is true of IBM owning RedHat, for example, and all the stuff owned by Oracle.
And VSC did not "win over" developers, it was FORCED on them by Microsoft's ubiquity in corporate development environments.
And whatever is popular in corporate development is almost always harmful.
Think of Teams. Everyone uses it, but it's pure garbage.
This video comes across as propaganda, not history.
As another example of that, it's an implicit lie to state gormlessly that Microsoft clarified they were collecting the data anonymously, and only using it for improvement.
That is what they CLAIMED, but you might as well trust a tobacco scientist on how nicotine makes you healthier.
Eclipse integrated with GIT long before VScode. In fact most of what VScode does was done in Eclipse. Eclipse was also buggy as all get out, a feat VScode has also duplicated. In fact this video seems to go out of its way to AVOID mentioning Eclipse, which is the closest editor in function to VScode.
First version of VSCode was almost a copy of Atom.
First time, I stil used Atom instead of VSCode. Because Microsoft buyed GitHub, that build Atom, it stopped active development op Atom so every development goes to VSCode.
VSCode vs Atom is not fair, because Microsoft can control both.
Loads of editors and IDEs had git integration before vsc. What made it popular was it was lightweight, extensible and open. It was also MS’s choice for illustrating typescript tutorials.
One thing to be concerned about is that vscode is licensed under the MIT license, which doesn't provide an explicit patent grant. If Microsoft were really serious about open source they would at least use the MIT/Apache 2.0 license stack or just use the Apache 2.0 license.
What i believe is it's we developers who built these software. If something wrong happens with us, we are capable to build another alternative for us.. companies just provide the product but at the end its built by developers
I feel really bad for sublime text, truly a piece of engineering. One desn't create such optimized piece of software nowadays.
Btw anyone Jetbrains?
Vscodium represent
VSCodium on Linux is the dream team
i now prefer cusour its umatched as a developer i no longer do much
I think they maide it free for personal use so most people get used to it and then they can exort fee from corporations and personal can not use it for business purposes
Ai slop is getting better at least
Yes right, but i am human 100% 😅
Those who use vs code/vs codium , idx and z 3 of them 🌚🌚🌚 true legends
You forgot the part of how they replace Bracket editor with VS Code
Vs code opened door for many hobby developers like me. Until then it was a jungle. Vs code was the road in the jungle.
VS Code to Atom is what Teams to Slack and Windows to Linux.
It's a "free" honeypot where your every keypress is immediately sent to Microsoft to train their AI which will first replace and then enslave you.
The good news is everybody knows that, and no self-respecting startup will allow having anything Microsoft or Google closer than a mile near their HQ (note the "self-respecting" part, it doesn't refer to YOUR startup, node.js script kiddie).
Typed this on my Flexowriter/UART/RISC-V Pi with ED, BTW.
VS Code is literary an IDE minus plugins. And When It Comes To IDEs, Then JetBrains' Pycharm, Clion, WebStorm, IntelliJ IDEA Outperform VSCode in all aspects.
VSCode's strength is its versatility. But you're right, if you have more specific tasks to do, you're better off with special software.
Saying that Visual Studio was primarily used by Microsoft devs 🤦
I think it was the reference to year 1997 🧐
@@codeninja-d3w I assumed he was talking about the time when VS Code came out (so 2015), at which time Visual Studio was quite a popular IDE for C++ and .Net development.
I used Visual Basic at that time, so half truth? 😅👌🏻
Yeah kind of a word salad with template images.
Also please go easy on the animations and the sudden sounds. It's just dizzying.
It feels fake, far from the reality. Like cheap american documentaries that show the same stuff over and over.
I see value. I think you will get better.
Thanks for the video.
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This content feels heavily like it's made by AI. (at least the script)
There's a lack of personality.
If there was ever a video that was surely produced by AI, this is it. Script sounds like it was written by someone with learning disabilities, same stock footage used over and over - checks all the boxes
This year I got into programming and was surprised the free and open source program everyone was using was made by Microsoft!
When I went to the website to download it, I thought I came to the wrong place purely because it was a Microsoft site. I was thinking to myself, "Okay, so I have to pay for this at some point, right?"
I'm not a Microsoft hater btw. I still use Windows and one of my computers is a Surface Pro.
open source is controlled and owned by big tech, so open source serves big tech
If only Windows phone can be as successful as VsCode. One thing is for sure, it needs to bash licencing model
I never think a movie possible on vs code
Laughs in vim
neovim*
I guess you cannot exit laughing now
:wq!
Copilot integration in vs code is unmatched
Thank you so much for your support! In this video, my goal was to bring a new perspective for developers, with a touch of added drama. It’s meant to be more of a mini-movie than a tech tutorial, purely for entertainment. I hope you enjoy it, and I’m excited to keep improving with future videos. - Deven
Been waiting for this since August
The entire video is made with pictures given by AI on prompts from random words that have been said. You can see it when 'handing by a thread' results in a picture of the word 'threats' appearing.
Took me 1 month creating and editing this video on premier pro and after effects 😅, everything is not Ai😂
Yeah ai ain't this good bud, it's obvious a lot of manual labour went into this
I think it's just stock footage/images. Notice how all the layers of random images and assets slide over each other, but stay in their layers? it's simple 2d animation, AI can't do that, so the editing is safe. The assets themselves aren't necessarily safe, but I saw no sausage/tendril fingers, and I saw lots of stock footage I've seen before in other videos, some from before AI art was good enough. The videos also have regularly spelled word in single regular fonts. It's not exactly an original editing style, but it was executed by a human, and pretty well.
The writing though, eayehhhh I dunno. I mean, no mention of vscodium, extremely generic sentences and corpospeak, it makes sense. I think instead of an AI taking a humans words and making a video for them, it might have been the other way around, and the voice acting sounds right at the line between very good AI and flat human. Edit: yeah, the voice is AI, or possibly one of those humans who voice act utterly generic stuff, either way, doesn't match previous vids at all. If the latter and it's a payed voice actor, I honest;y don't have much issue with this video, it's just boring, if the former, especially if the writing is ai, why did this guy edit this together??? Like why the effort at all if it's otherwise AI slop
Too many small chapters. Why is Copilot not mentioned?
Vscode was a product of its time. This time has passed.
Watched a video on coding editor like a movie ..lol 😂
"Microsoft had already developed an integrated development environment back in" *1991*. In the form of "QuickC for Windows", if you require a GUI to qualify (if not, then 1987 for the text mode versions and also PWB). Those syntax coloring, breakpoints, single step, variable inspection, etc. QCfW then led to "Visual Studio", "Developer Studio", etc. So I don't know what 1997 refers to except maybe VS 5.x, which is way down the line.
VSCode "lightweight"? I guess that's subjective, though I'm from a different era.
But I agree VSCode is important because for one it's cross platform, and for two it supports a much more diverse ecosystem of build environments, etc., which can be extended. DS is more walled garden.
You're right that Microsoft had developed IDEs long before 1997, with QuickC for Windows being an early example. In the video, I focused more on the transition to Visual Studio and how VS Code's cross-platform nature and extensibility have made it a key tool today. Thanks for sharing your insights!
@@CodeSource Still, what's the relevance of the unnamed 1997 MS IDE for VSC? If you were talking about Visual Studio then no, that's not how it happened. Each Visual Studio was marketed and published as a separate product. That's how software was distributed back then. And when new release came, you could still pick the older one and many of them were still receiving updates. Don't like bleak Metro GUI in VS 2012? Install 2010 and have it until MS gets it's shit together (which they did on the very next release). And sure VSes where a bit bloated but never unresponsive. VSC is nowhere near being lightweight, it's somewhere between bloat and light. Until you install extensions, then it's back to proper bloat. I don't know how you can call VSC revolutionary. Maybe it's baby's first toy syndrome. Take a good look at Visual Studio with C# workload, how it feels to write, how debugger is actually integrated how settings actually have GUI. It's not JSON and ducktape like VSC.
@@IvanKravarscan "It's now JSON and ducktape like VSC." -- did you mean "not"?
@@Graham_Wideman LoL yeah, typo
I was a daily user of Developer Studio, Visual Studio and its other name variants between 1996 and 2016. This was all for building native WinApps including COM but not .NET. The (older) editor component had its quirks but I generally found it quite usable and, in hindsight, generally a good one, even compared to my other favourite vim. However, there were especially two version upgrades that were particular let downs.
The first was when they went from a native win32 app (version 6.x) to the .NET based (was it 2003? I don't remember). That one was much slower than before, but the build system was better and more stable once you got the hang of it. The editor, though, couldn't handle as large files as before. I noticed because I was sometimes working with huge data files as ASCII with more than 11 million lines (for some regex preprosessing). The new editor simply couldn't open them ("too large"). The v6 editor could! If I'm not completely mistaken I seem to remember that even Notepad could open such large files, although with a noticable delay!
The other "negative" upgrade I think was maybe to version 2012 or 2014 or thereabout. Yet again the new version was much much slower than the predecessor. Startup of the IDE was painfully slow on my work machine, but I noticed other PCs were not affected to the same degree. I never checked how that editor handled the 11mill line file, mainly because I had more convenient access to awk by then 😉
All roads lead to Azure.
you get the twist
I wish microsoft would offer their Visual C++ compiler and Visual C++ Runtime as a standalone tool that could be used with vscode or sublime.
not sure if i agree, that vscode had the best git integration, eclipse had a pretty good one, with some features i still miss in gitlens, i would rather say it was the ease of installing plugins and obviously easier plugin development given it uses javascript
also not sure if MS gave up VS itself, as e.g. c# support is far better in VisualStudio itself, e.g. code generation
If you watch this video out of a comedic stand point, it's actually fun
great video but i want to clarify that vs code is very heavy on system resources and non responsive compared to other ide's like sublime text so its still not the best but one of the greatest ! (sublime text is the best :)
Electron moment
Nice video but u don't need this "chapter 1,chapter 2...".its a short video, no need to present it as a soap opera
here before you blow up :)
I just use vscode and very comfortable use this IDE or editor, free and so easily switch between language C ,C++ Python, PHP, Java ,Qt and vscode light application
Thigs would have been different if they hadn't bought Github with its Atom.
VS Code is a lifesaver.
I love vscode ❤
Brilliantly done! The editing is smooth, and the script is engaging, blending storytelling with insights perfectly. Great work!
What insights?
Can you give one example at least?
Me watching this video knowing very well I'm switching to Vim and Linux no matter what in coming months.
I think Microsoft should make VS code free and a better solution, they can earn from it by providing seamless integration for their tools like copilot, those who want these services would automatically migrate to it.
Data un-security: Literally this is the most bad thing that can be happened!
amazing content, keep up the good work, really professionally edited! absolutely phenomenon !
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Love this type of content , great work !!
Good video but too many chapters. Felt like there’s a new chapter after every few sentences.
Very little content in this video. It would be nice, for example to have a comparison of VS Code and Visual Studio on Windows, and how features like intellisense are used on both; and how project files and make files are handled.
Cool!
Neovim is main contender for vscode nor the other text editor you mentioned .
The script of the video is pushing the idea of Microsoft holding VSCode users hostage, when history has shown multiple times that companies in this position are very vulnerable. Any breach of trust will lead to significant effort being put in open source fork to implement alternatives to proprietary components
extraordinarily explained. so amazing work. keep it up.
Vscode is not faster that sublime even to this day
Something new for developers 😮
Had no idea what VS code was. Perhaps I should have been paying more attention. Learning it on DUOLINGO instead of Arabic.
Nice but I would drop the chapters and just roll on.
your editing is awesome
Next: zed
Nice visuals, but way too much repetitions. From what is see, JetBrains’ editors are the real competitors. Not mentioning them is a little suspicious.
This was my first video , pardon for mistakes 😄
Why refer to Zed , that is brand new, instead of NeoVim which has a huge and growing number of users?
Why even put Bill Gate's picture in the video? He isn't relevant to Microsoft for almost a decade now.
Wow incredible presentation
I recently switched to zed from vsc.
Chapter 213 - 2 sec - Chapter 214
I will not tell that vscode is faster than sublime text
So much bad info here.
Git integration is something that even old school IDES have had and text editors too. Octocat for atom is an example. This video acts like vscode is some sort of revolution when really it is there because any javascript/frontend/python development is made easier by it. If you are developing in C#, Java, PHP, etc... your traditional IDEs will do a WAY better job. VSCode intellisense is literal garbage compared to what jetbrains is putting out. The real thing is that most kids dont have that money for a good IDEs so they use something like eclipse or netbeans. That trash makes them swear off ides, go to college code in vscode and eventually realize they need an IDE and get jetbrains.
True story
VSCode is going down hill... the intelisense loses the plot and often just gets in the way, you can't randomly park your mouse for fear some pointless popup will get in the way of what you're doing or trying to read... It's my favourite editor but it's not improving at all, for me it's visibly worse now than a year ago...