I have the same problem with the Smith&wesson. I have the regular metal but the slide to frame fit was sooo loose i took it right back to the gun shop and they exchanged it, the newer one was much better but its still very loose. I called Smith&wesson and they said send it back but it was going to take several month before they got it back and I've heard a few others say they sent them back and they said nothing is wrong and sent it back without doing anything. This was my first smith and it may be my last tbh. And i mounted holosun and 10 yards in its ok but anything about 15 and more the accuracy was terrible. My groupings were 12 inches apart.. so i agree with everything you said in this video because i experienced first hand.
This review is a S&W hater review. This pistol is being used by many professional competition shooters all over and they love it. Plus look up the world competition champion Jerry Miculek Jr is an American professional competition shooter. LOOK IT UP. He loves this pistol! For every one hater on this pistol there are five videos of lovers.
@@ronaldwilliams3495 Jerry is paid to love it. He could out shoot 99 percent of shooters with a hi point. It's the Indian not the arrow. If you really think that Smith and Wesson is superior to a CZ Shadow 2 or a Canik Rival steel frame it's because you have not used them.
@@ronaldwilliams3495I disagree. I have the Competitor and everything he says here is a problem with mine as well. My red dot visibly shifts position when the trigger is pulled. Front grip rattles and is loose from the factory. Trigger is meh. Base plates on the mags to work with the magwell are just dumb the way they did it. I wanted to love the Competitor since I love that it’s made in the US and love the grip texture, but it has too many drawbacks for me to keep long term.
Thanks for the honest and objective review on both of these guns. I am a little older guy and I am not a competition shooter and I do not shoot as precise as you do. When I was younger I would not buy anything except for a Smith and Wesson, however when I got back into guns a few years ago I found myself purchasing other brands and to this day I have not purchased a Smith and Wesson product. I did purchase a Canik SFX rival with the polymer frame just a couple days ago and after shooting just 30 rounds through it I could tell that it was an awesome gun. I’d go to gun ranges at times just to try out different guns and I am not a big polymer frame striker kind of a guy, but this Canik has greatly impressed me and I found myself shooting it a little better than my Beretta 92X which is the gun that I usually shoot the best. I would like to say that I think that this video is kind of sad in the sense that I would rather give my money to an American company however if they want my business they are going to have to provide me with an equal to or superior product and unfortunately today smith and Wesson does not provide that. The only thing I disagreed with you about is that there are several times you say this is just your opinion and I actually believe that it is not an opinion but it is a fact based upon your experience in testing with these guns. As I leave I would like to caution you that it has being brought to my attention that Smith and Wesson sent a sniper out to take care of you, however he was unsuccessful because his m&p jammed up and he was unable to fulfill his mission lol😜
I have the Canik Rival Darkside with polymer grip. It has the best trigger of any striker fired pistol I have ever used. Has been faultless with factory and hand loads.
I bought both of these within two weeks of each other. Biggest issue is the grip size. I can shoot the M&P easily with my small hands. The Canik is still big using the smallest backstrap. The Canik has the extra weight to stay a bit more steady in rapid shooting, feeling close to my Staccato XL. Now I just need to get the Canix to fit and I’ll be good to go. The Canik trigger is at 3lbs stock. I bought the Overwatch Precision for the Competitior to get it to the same weight. Wish the Canik had a trigger that was closer back to the shooter. The angle out is so far, it makes for a stretch to get on it.
Excellent comparison and very valid points. I've slowly become a fan of Canik. They seem to have made it habitual to listen to their consumer and make improvements with every release. ( as every company should). Though better on the metal, S&W still struggles to get the trigger right on their models. Other than material, the metal has nothing over their polymer versions. Anesthetics are nice but fit, finish and function are even more important, IMO. The fact you can't use the other M&P mags without having to change the baseplates is also a negative. Good vid2o. Subbed👍
I've had a Canik Rival-S almost as soon as it was released. My buddy has the the S&W competitor so I'm able to shoot it quite a bit. And I 100% agree with your assessment. Canik is the better gun for the same price. Even the Rival Polymer is the the better option in my opinion and that one is only $650
I just bought the mp spec series bullshark a few months ago. I was thinking about my next purchase being a full metal fram 9mm pistol and im a huge barreta 92fs guy but seeing all the good reviews and the amount of stuff canik includes with your purchase i might just choose the canik.
You are correct about the Timney trigger. I replaced Glock 34-4, 34-5 MOS and 19-5 MOS with Timney, but when I purchase Canik Rival and Rival steel the difference was night and day. Canik has best striker fire trigger. My game is IDPA and an excellent trigger is of outmost important. Thank you for the great review. PS well Smith&Wesson you brought it on yourselves for poor quality design.
I got the competitor and it's a good gun to me had to change the mag release to the standard once i change the trigger and get that new Holosun 507c comp in the summer I'll be good to go but that steel frame Canik seems like a better out the box gun. At the end of the day it's all about your preference but you can't go wrong with either
I have the original Canik Rival, and I love it. Best deal in handguns there is. I have owned (notice the past tense) three M&Ps. I had to send all of them in for repairs out of the box within 3 magazines. I'll never buy another S&W.
Your video cost me money. Caused me to sell my S&W Metal Competitor and purchase a Canik Rival S. Can't wait to pick it up. Thank you for the honest video. Good job!!! 👍
Did I regret ur actions brother ? Have u gone to far to the dark side brother? IS THE GRASS GREENER OUT THERE BROTHER!? I CANT SEE YOU!!! TELL ME, I compared the tp9 to my competitor n it wasn’t close idk.
Canik has been so aggressive in making improvements and they are getting the respect they deserve. I bought a Canik SFElite loved it so much I sold a HK and Smith and Wesson to buy two more Caniks. Great handguns.
I have both and also have the Canik SFX Rival polymer, love them all, I have always been a fan of S&W and recently becoming a big fan of Canik, the S&W does have an issue with the front grip pad being loose. Other than that both are great guns, just different, air do like the flat 90 degree trigger on the Canik, I have don't feel the competitor is worth the bashing it got here, but appreciate the opinion.
That Canik Rival SFX S is a great design and if I buy a carry 9mm this will be my choice. And it will be ported by Mag-Na-Port. Thanks for your analysis.
I wanted the competitor but glad I watched. I’m very ocd and I would lose it over the loose front grip insert. I will get the Canik instead. I have had 2 M&ps and lots of issues in the past with both and was hoping it was fixed by now.
I was literally fixing to pull the trigger on buy the Competitor I'm glad I found your video because I wanted both of these but seems Smith is having some Q.C. issues
I also owned the same two guns. My Smith and Wesson went back to the factory 3 times for repair in the first 6 months of ownership. Smith never repaired or fixed anything.. I called the second time and asked did you read my letter that was in the box with the gun ? The responce from the service shop guy was " We rarely read the leters with our repair guns, the letters usually get lost....we just shoot a clip of bullets to see if the gun works and we send it back !! I said this is my second time back and the letter was attached to the service request and emailed to the service shop. "We don't pay much attention to those letters, we shot a clip of bullets downrange and sent it back". I said this is your Performance Center Gun, supposed to be the cream of the crop for Smith and Wesson and you never attempted to fix the slide YAW movememtn issue ? So a third trip back and no change, I dumped this brand new gun on the used gun market and purchased a CANIK RIVAS S , it is easily twice the gun that the Smith and Wesson produced. My last purchase from S&W
I wish I had watched your video before I bought the S&W Competitor. I have exact issues from my SW like yours. I've tried to claim the warranty here in Australia, but the supplier tested it and said it's entirely under the factory standard which is 6 inches at 25 yards. I was like "is it a competition gun? My Glock 17 has better accuracy than this one." I'm gonna like to like the canik asap....
You're right on target. I bought a canik rival sfx, none steel last month. 2 weeks later, I bought the Smith and wesson m&p competitor. I have an m&p first generation that I won at a shoot. Accuracy was terrible. I had to have a bar sto barrel fitted. Corrected this issue. Also had to install an apex trigger. If I had bought the gun, I'd have been angry. Anyway, I thought Smith and Wesson would have addressed these issues. I've been playing with both. The rival puts most ammunition inside 2 inches at 50 feet. And when you feed it what it likes one ragged hole. The competitor is over 4 inches with some ammo. So far, the best group at 50 ft is 2 inches. I'm shooting all from the bench off the sand bag. I also reload. So I've tried a variety of bullet weights and speeds. Oh, and the front panel on my Smith is just like yours. I'll also add that when the Smith and wesson 929 9mm revolver first came out I bought that. I'm a revolver guy at heart. I checked it out at the store before buying. There were several reports of overclooked barrels, poor timing, and cylinder gap. None of these were present. Bought it took it home disassembled to polish internals. The detent ball that locks up the cylinder was missing. Sent it in, and they repaired it, no problem. But this is like the competitor is coming from the performance center. Supposedly, the best in their offerings. Really sad.
Thank you for your comment. I am sorry to hear you are having similar issues. I have purchased two Smith & Wesson revolvers and the M&P Competitor recently and all three have had substantial issues. I will be staying away from them in the future. I have always stood up for them in the past but it appears quality control is on the decline. If that does not get corrected they will be the next Remington.
@Juxmatic22 the apex is much better than the original Smith and Wesson m&p trigger. But I prefer the flat sfx trigger it's also wider and has a perceptible wall with audible short reset. But the apex is good don't get me wrong, but at additional cost and installation. I'm taking the sfx to a state shoot so I'll know more after that as I've only got about 100 rounds through it
@@raymillsap8613 Thank you for the feedback! Please keep us updated I hear a lot of good things about both triggers so curious to hear from someone who has experience with both.
Recent negativity with S&W Customer service and issues with some of their pistols as well, would take the Canik SFx Rival S or the polymer version over the S&W.
In regards to the Smith’s slide walking since you say it’s a the point of ignition are you seeing firing pin drag on the primers from the spent casings?
@@TheFullNeilson HEY! But if it moves CONSISTENTLY... : ) *EDIT: Watching the video now, and see that it's intermittent... NOT good!* Biggest thing I noticed on my new M&P (SKU 13567) is the UP and DOWN movement of the slide vs. frame at the muzzle... can't say it's happening during firing, but I noticed it during initial inspection. The recoil spring keeps the slide pushed up, but if you put your thumb under the trigger guard and middle finger on top of the slide and squeeze gently, I see quite a bit of slop (haven't measured it yet, but maybe .030" - .040"?). I did check for the sideways movement on mine after you mentioned it, and mine does it too, though that seems minor compared to the up-and-down play, though THAT is actually greater at the muzzle as well, since the nearest frame rail is at mid-point. I'm telling myself that, as long as it's consistent (i.e., the recoil spring should keep it tensioned upward until ignition), it shouldn't be a big issue. But I'd RATHER the tolerance be less! I REALLY LIKE the pistol otherwise, except for the "loaded chamber port" spewing powder residue ALL OVER MY OPTIC LENS! E-mailed S&W about this three weeks ago, but heard nothing back yet; CC'ed Miculek about a week later, and, nothing from him, either. There is NO REASON FOR THE PORT, since you can see brass through the SIDE by the extractor!
The M&P has alway have some wacky slide walk. I have 4, two 1.0 and two 2.0. When the trigger breaks, the slide walks sideway. You would think they have been making this thing for like 15 years now and would’ve figured it out.
The reset on the competitor trigger is very light and you can't hear it. It doesn't have that snap back that most nice triggers have. Is that normal for this new trigger?
I DID see one of the Competitor mags on a peg at an Academy, so... not sure if they normally stock them, or maybe someone special ordered the wrong mag and they just stuck it on the shelf : )
HR Funk compared the M&P metal against the 2.0 and it had no advantage over the previous gun. 900 bucks for a 500 dollar weapon. Canik makes it interesting, nice review
Great review here, I own a few MP9 models and it's like a Clint Eastwood movie!? The Good, Bad, and Ugly🤣 But I'm still a fan> Having said that, my next purchase will be a Canik! Probably all polymer - full-size. Suggestion?
Awesome comparison I never got to do the comparison review…I haven’t shot the competitor since the Rival came out…Lmao Seems like it will be a landslide win for The Rival
It's funny that you say this I had to get a gunsmith friend to slightly crimp my slide rails on an aftermarket p320 slide because of a similar issue! But this should not be happening from the factory
A lot of generalizations on the Smith. I would say both are good choices. The trigger on my M&P is great but I’m not out saying that the gun is the best comp gun because of my trigger.
You don't understand the issue. The play itself is not the problem it's the fact that it walks when the striker falls. Meaning you can visibility see the sights move a considerable amount when the striker falls. If this does not create accurately issues it certainly ruins dry fire practice because you can no longer distinguish between a flinch and the gun. None of the 25 Glocks I have owned have that. No striker fired handgun I have ever shot does that.
Ive shot both and the Canik is a true competition gun. Not sure what Smith and Wesson is doing here. Polymer version of the 2.0 is just as good.Canik rival s blows the S&W away
something about the competitor that smith & wesson let go to shit. this may be part of the m&p metal family but for some reason the comp version has problems and quality control issues when compared to the regular m2.0 metal
I owned both and I still have the Glock. If you want a race gun I think they are both poor choices. I would rather have a Canik Rival steel frame or a CZ Shadow 2. For a large carry or duty gun I would rather have the Glock 34 Gen 5. Slide to frame fit is better, mags are cheaper, trigger reach is better, and I find I can keep both hands on the gun easier with the Glock. The Smith and Wesson looks better though. If the slide to frame fit on my competitor had not been so sloppy as to cause major issues with dry fire practice, and accuracy with live fire, I would have kept the gun. I have purchased 3 Smith and Wesson Firearms in the last 3 months. All of them went back to the factory for repair. It is unlikely I will own another one in this lifetime. I have owned 20-30 Glocks and never had an issues with any of them.
This review is a S&W hater review. This pistol is being used by many professional competition shooters all over and they love it. Plus look up the world competition champion Jerry Miculek Jr is an American professional competition shooter. LOOK IT UP. He loves this pistol! For every one hater on this pistol there are five videos of lovers.
This video is an objective review of someone who owned both handguns and compared them. Jerry gets paid to shill for Smith and Wesson. He promotes alot of garbage products and so do a lot of other competition shooters. It's part of the game.
I feel like you got a lemon in the Metal 2.0.. Now that is totally a quality issue, but I shot the Canik TP9 combat and the M&P2.0 metal and decided on the metal after a few hours of shooting! 2500ish rounds on mine and love it! I also have the non competition version but I can't imagine it being much different.
I’m surprised with the issues you’re experiencing with the M&P Competitor. The fit/finish, trigger, reliability and accuracy has been fantastic with mine. The only issue I’ve had is with the loose front strap, which is easily fixed with Loctite 380 Max adhesive. I admit I’m biased and won’t buy Turkish made firearms.
When Smith spits out a proper pistol, it's insanely reliable and dead accurate. But for some reason, they seem to he inconsistent. Canik has had some consistency issues as well, but they are trying their best to grow and succeeding. I won't be buying a Canik anytime soon, but I can understand why other people are purchasing them.
Caniks have a stupid grip on them. Like someone just shaved down a 2x4. Trigger is nice. That’s about it. One of the most dirtier guns I have had. For the price of a Canik it’s a good deal. But their grips are atrocious
Canik how can we copy other gun manufactures, stealing the Walther PPQ design, and produce it cheaper in Turkey. Shot the M&P metal this weekend and it shoots great. All things being the same, I’d buy the M&P. Love my PPQ too. Not a fan of companies that steal designs, example all the Turkish shotguns.
I carry the S&W Metal Comp as my duty pistol and I've never had a single issue with it or any that you're nitpicking on, I'd tell you flat to your face you're bluntly incorrect and this review is skewed
And I would tell you flat out to your face it's not marketed as a duty pistol it is market as a competition pistol. It's in the name of the pistol. As a result comparing it to other competition pistols and reviewing as such seems fitting. You missed the entire point of the comparison and managed to attached your ego to your firearm. I suspect you do not own a Canik Rival S or a CZ Shadow 2 for comparison. If you did you would understand what I am talking about. Now if you want to talk about a good duty gun that's a totally different conversation. I am glad you found a duty gun you like. Have a nice day.
@TheFullNeilson LOL brainless reply, nice try at a gotcha. It wins competitions regularly and its good enough for duty, every little whiny complaint of yours would be tested in the field and has been. Go clutch your pearls, I don't think guns are for you princess. I could dismantle everything you complained about pretty easily. Hell even the last time I used it in comp in June I shot Range High and that was even against Caniks. You don't seem well informed at all
I'll take my tisas px9 gen3 duty ANY day OVER my s&w 40cal for a edc smith is totally unreliable jams doesn't always fall into battery and stovepipe like crazy but it was my 1st pistol and I'll never sell it for that reason alone. Other then that my Turkish gun is reliable as all get out and smooth as silk. Both were around the same price
I see what your saying about the canik though they seem to be a very good choice sounds like smith and wesson should just come out with a gen 2 of that gun to fix some of the down falls of the smith .personally I hate timney trigger they are unreliable. If I was a competition shooter I may give them more of a chance but my guns are for in case I need to use them for a more tactical situations and I swear smith got confused with that gun between duty and competition.
Thank you for your unbiased review. Dude, you started the video off with the problems gun has but that’s not a universal problem. Like you should have gotten another Smith and Wesson MP to review.
The smith is junk ……… No QC The canik platform is superior the S is hard to find in my area . I have the tpsfx9 and the rival darkside there triggers are the best striker fired on the market better then all the Walther even there $1800 guns ………
I have the same problem with the Smith&wesson. I have the regular metal but the slide to frame fit was sooo loose i took it right back to the gun shop and they exchanged it, the newer one was much better but its still very loose. I called Smith&wesson and they said send it back but it was going to take several month before they got it back and I've heard a few others say they sent them back and they said nothing is wrong and sent it back without doing anything. This was my first smith and it may be my last tbh. And i mounted holosun and 10 yards in its ok but anything about 15 and more the accuracy was terrible. My groupings were 12 inches apart.. so i agree with everything you said in this video because i experienced first hand.
This review is a S&W hater review. This pistol is being used by many professional competition shooters all over and they love it. Plus look up the world competition champion Jerry Miculek Jr is an American professional competition shooter. LOOK IT UP. He loves this pistol! For every one hater on this pistol there are five videos of lovers.
@@ronaldwilliams3495 Jerry is paid to love it. He could out shoot 99 percent of shooters with a hi point. It's the Indian not the arrow. If you really think that Smith and Wesson is superior to a CZ Shadow 2 or a Canik Rival steel frame it's because you have not used them.
@@ronaldwilliams3495I disagree. I have the Competitor and everything he says here is a problem with mine as well. My red dot visibly shifts position when the trigger is pulled. Front grip rattles and is loose from the factory. Trigger is meh. Base plates on the mags to work with the magwell are just dumb the way they did it. I wanted to love the Competitor since I love that it’s made in the US and love the grip texture, but it has too many drawbacks for me to keep long term.
Great review and attention to detail. The Canik is far superior to many “competition ready” firearms at a more competitive price point.
I purchased the Canik Rival, the dark side last year. It's a great piece. I'm tempted to buy the SS model.
These are the 2 pistols I'm actively searching for! Thank you for this comparison.!
Thanks for the honest and objective review on both of these guns. I am a little older guy and I am not a competition shooter and I do not shoot as precise as you do. When I was younger I would not buy anything except for a Smith and Wesson, however when I got back into guns a few years ago I found myself purchasing other brands and to this day I have not purchased a Smith and Wesson product. I did purchase a Canik SFX rival with the polymer frame just a couple days ago and after shooting just 30 rounds through it I could tell that it was an awesome gun. I’d go to gun ranges at times just to try out different guns and I am not a big polymer frame striker kind of a guy, but this Canik has greatly impressed me and I found myself shooting it a little better than my Beretta 92X which is the gun that I usually shoot the best. I would like to say that I think that this video is kind of sad in the sense that I would rather give my money to an American company however if they want my business they are going to have to provide me with an equal to or superior product and unfortunately today smith and Wesson does not provide that. The only thing I disagreed with you about is that there are several times you say this is just your opinion and I actually believe that it is not an opinion but it is a fact based upon your experience in testing with these guns. As I leave I would like to caution you that it has being brought to my attention that Smith and Wesson sent a sniper out to take care of you, however he was unsuccessful because his m&p jammed up and he was unable to fulfill his mission lol😜
American guns suck compared to the Canik platform. Smith is a ripoff… QC sucks
I have them both. I really like my S&W Competitor, however, I really LOVE my Canik Rival-S!
Damn is the rival that good? I shot the tp9 n it wasn’t even comparable to me, I love the competitor so much man. Now im curious if I should buy it.
I have the original Canik Rival and absolutely love it. I also have a Canik MC9 ordered and this Rival S will be soon to follow..
I have the Canik Rival Darkside with polymer grip. It has the best trigger of any striker fired pistol I have ever used. Has been faultless with factory and hand loads.
I bought both of these within two weeks of each other. Biggest issue is the grip size. I can shoot the M&P easily with my small hands. The Canik is still big using the smallest backstrap. The Canik has the extra weight to stay a bit more steady in rapid shooting, feeling close to my Staccato XL. Now I just need to get the Canix to fit and I’ll be good to go. The Canik trigger is at 3lbs stock. I bought the Overwatch Precision for the Competitior to get it to the same weight. Wish the Canik had a trigger that was closer back to the shooter. The angle out is so far, it makes for a stretch to get on it.
Good stuff. I appreciate your review. Just purchased Canik rival-s black version.
Excellent comparison and very valid points. I've slowly become a fan of Canik. They seem to have made it habitual to listen to their consumer and make improvements with every release. ( as every company should). Though better on the metal, S&W still struggles to get the trigger right on their models. Other than material, the metal has nothing over their polymer versions. Anesthetics are nice but fit, finish and function are even more important, IMO. The fact you can't use the other M&P mags without having to change the baseplates is also a negative. Good vid2o. Subbed👍
I mean...if they don't listen, they die.
Congratulations! You just gave the best review on the hottest gun in the market right now… Bravo 👏🏼
the comparison I was waiting for! thank you!
I've had a Canik Rival-S almost as soon as it was released. My buddy has the the S&W competitor so I'm able to shoot it quite a bit. And I 100% agree with your assessment. Canik is the better gun for the same price. Even the Rival Polymer is the the better option in my opinion and that one is only $650
I just bought the mp spec series bullshark a few months ago. I was thinking about my next purchase being a full metal fram 9mm pistol and im a huge barreta 92fs guy but seeing all the good reviews and the amount of stuff canik includes with your purchase i might just choose the canik.
You are correct about the Timney trigger. I replaced Glock 34-4, 34-5 MOS and 19-5 MOS with Timney, but when I purchase Canik Rival and Rival steel the difference was night and day. Canik has best striker fire trigger. My game is IDPA and an excellent trigger is of outmost important. Thank you for the great review. PS well Smith&Wesson you brought it on yourselves for poor quality design.
I got the competitor and it's a good gun to me had to change the mag release to the standard once i change the trigger and get that new Holosun 507c comp in the summer I'll be good to go but that steel frame Canik seems like a better out the box gun. At the end of the day it's all about your preference but you can't go wrong with either
I’ve been waiting for someone to compare these two.
Was waiting on this comparison!!! Thank you.
I have the original Canik Rival, and I love it. Best deal in handguns there is. I have owned (notice the past tense) three M&Ps. I had to send all of them in for repairs out of the box within 3 magazines. I'll never buy another S&W.
Your video cost me money. Caused me to sell my S&W Metal Competitor and purchase a Canik Rival S. Can't wait to pick it up. Thank you for the honest video. Good job!!! 👍
Did I regret ur actions brother ? Have u gone to far to the dark side brother? IS THE GRASS GREENER OUT THERE BROTHER!? I CANT SEE YOU!!! TELL ME, I compared the tp9 to my competitor n it wasn’t close idk.
Canik has been so aggressive in making improvements and they are getting the respect they deserve. I bought a Canik SFElite loved it so much I sold a HK and Smith and Wesson to buy two more Caniks. Great handguns.
Appreciate this info.
Same way i did mine! Seated, free hand, seated, free hand just to see and get a very accurate feel
I have both and also have the Canik SFX Rival polymer, love them all, I have always been a fan of S&W and recently becoming a big fan of Canik, the S&W does have an issue with the front grip pad being loose. Other than that both are great guns, just different, air do like the flat 90 degree trigger on the Canik, I have don't feel the competitor is worth the bashing it got here, but appreciate the opinion.
I was just thinking of these two and see which one to pick up
I would like to see a range video of these two side by side
That Canik Rival SFX S is a great design and if I buy a carry 9mm this will be my choice. And it will be ported by Mag-Na-Port. Thanks for your analysis.
I wanted the competitor but glad I watched. I’m very ocd and I would lose it over the loose front grip insert. I will get the Canik instead. I have had 2 M&ps and lots of issues in the past with both and was hoping it was fixed by now.
Finally an honest review. Thank you.
I prefer the smith & wesson
As soon as the. Canik Rival S came out; I said the M & P metal just died
Different purposes. The Smith can be used in a duty roll because it's much lighter. The Canik is a competition only gun, extremely heavy.
I was literally fixing to pull the trigger on buy the Competitor I'm glad I found your video because I wanted both of these but seems Smith is having some Q.C. issues
I also owned the same two guns. My Smith and Wesson went back to the factory 3 times for repair in the first 6 months of ownership. Smith never repaired or fixed anything.. I called the second time and asked did you read my letter that was in the box with the gun ?
The responce from the service shop guy was " We rarely read the leters with our repair guns, the letters usually get lost....we just shoot a clip of bullets to see if the gun works and we send it back !!
I said this is my second time back and the letter was attached to the service request and emailed to the service shop. "We don't pay much attention to those letters, we shot a clip of bullets downrange and sent it back". I said this is your Performance Center Gun, supposed to be the cream of the crop for Smith and Wesson and you never attempted to fix the slide YAW movememtn issue ?
So a third trip back and no change, I dumped this brand new gun on the used gun market and purchased a CANIK RIVAS S , it is easily twice the gun that the Smith and Wesson produced. My last purchase from S&W
Thanks. 👍
I wish I had watched your video before I bought the S&W Competitor. I have exact issues from my SW like yours. I've tried to claim the warranty here in Australia, but the supplier tested it and said it's entirely under the factory standard which is 6 inches at 25 yards. I was like "is it a competition gun? My Glock 17 has better accuracy than this one." I'm gonna like to like the canik asap....
You're right on target. I bought a canik rival sfx, none steel last month. 2 weeks later, I bought the Smith and wesson m&p competitor. I have an m&p first generation that I won at a shoot. Accuracy was terrible. I had to have a bar sto barrel fitted. Corrected this issue. Also had to install an apex trigger. If I had bought the gun, I'd have been angry. Anyway, I thought Smith and Wesson would have addressed these issues. I've been playing with both. The rival puts most ammunition inside 2 inches at 50 feet. And when you feed it what it likes one ragged hole. The competitor is over 4 inches with some ammo. So far, the best group at 50 ft is 2 inches. I'm shooting all from the bench off the sand bag. I also reload. So I've tried a variety of bullet weights and speeds. Oh, and the front panel on my Smith is just like yours. I'll also add that when the Smith and wesson 929 9mm revolver first came out I bought that. I'm a revolver guy at heart. I checked it out at the store before buying. There were several reports of overclooked barrels, poor timing, and cylinder gap. None of these were present. Bought it took it home disassembled to polish internals. The detent ball that locks up the cylinder was missing. Sent it in, and they repaired it, no problem. But this is like the competitor is coming from the performance center. Supposedly, the best in their offerings. Really sad.
Thank you for your comment. I am sorry to hear you are having similar issues. I have purchased two Smith & Wesson revolvers and the M&P Competitor recently and all three have had substantial issues. I will be staying away from them in the future. I have always stood up for them in the past but it appears quality control is on the decline. If that does not get corrected they will be the next Remington.
How would you compare the two triggers Apex in S&W vs Canik’s?
@Juxmatic22 the apex is much better than the original Smith and Wesson m&p trigger. But I prefer the flat sfx trigger it's also wider and has a perceptible wall with audible short reset. But the apex is good don't get me wrong, but at additional cost and installation. I'm taking the sfx to a state shoot so I'll know more after that as I've only got about 100 rounds through it
@@raymillsap8613 Thank you for the feedback! Please keep us updated I hear a lot of good things about both triggers so curious to hear from someone who has experience with both.
@@juxmatic2288 canik trigger is better
Recent negativity with S&W Customer service and issues with some of their pistols as well, would take the Canik SFx Rival S or the polymer version over the S&W.
A pair of these S&W competitors have been sitting at my local shop unsold for weeks.
In regards to the Smith’s slide walking since you say it’s a the point of ignition are you seeing firing pin drag on the primers from the spent casings?
The barrel is housed in the slide. They are both moving together when the striker falls. So accuracy issue but no firing pin dragging.
@@TheFullNeilson HEY! But if it moves CONSISTENTLY... : ) *EDIT: Watching the video now, and see that it's intermittent... NOT good!*
Biggest thing I noticed on my new M&P (SKU 13567) is the UP and DOWN movement of the slide vs. frame at the muzzle... can't say it's happening during firing, but I noticed it during initial inspection. The recoil spring keeps the slide pushed up, but if you put your thumb under the trigger guard and middle finger on top of the slide and squeeze gently, I see quite a bit of slop (haven't measured it yet, but maybe .030" - .040"?). I did check for the sideways movement on mine after you mentioned it, and mine does it too, though that seems minor compared to the up-and-down play, though THAT is actually greater at the muzzle as well, since the nearest frame rail is at mid-point.
I'm telling myself that, as long as it's consistent (i.e., the recoil spring should keep it tensioned upward until ignition), it shouldn't be a big issue. But I'd RATHER the tolerance be less!
I REALLY LIKE the pistol otherwise, except for the "loaded chamber port" spewing powder residue ALL OVER MY OPTIC LENS! E-mailed S&W about this three weeks ago, but heard nothing back yet; CC'ed Miculek about a week later, and, nothing from him, either. There is NO REASON FOR THE PORT, since you can see brass through the SIDE by the extractor!
Cant wait to lay my hands on Rival-S!
The competitor looks way better
I do love the way it looks.
Looks wont get you the gold
It looks good but looks don’t win competitions…..
Have both guns…trust me looks won’t save your life…lol if u shooting competition looks won’t win you trophies either…Canik is no joke!!!
@@TheFullNeilsonHi. Can u please tell me what is the dimensions of s&w gun case it's kinda huge ?😂
The M&P has alway have some wacky slide walk. I have 4, two 1.0 and two 2.0. When the trigger breaks, the slide walks sideway. You would think they have been making this thing for like 15 years now and would’ve figured it out.
Ok thanks for sharing that. Did you send it back to S&W?
I fitted APEX semi fit barrels to them
The reset on the competitor trigger is very light and you can't hear it. It doesn't have that snap back that most nice triggers have. Is that normal for this new trigger?
To me it is a safety concern
I DID see one of the Competitor mags on a peg at an Academy, so... not sure if they normally stock them, or maybe someone special ordered the wrong mag and they just stuck it on the shelf : )
Cant even be mad, i want the m&p but seeing this hurts my soul haha
HR Funk compared the M&P metal against the 2.0 and it had no advantage over the previous gun. 900 bucks for a 500 dollar weapon. Canik makes it interesting, nice review
I'll definitely take the Canik!
Great review here, I own a few MP9 models and it's like a Clint Eastwood movie!? The Good, Bad, and Ugly🤣 But I'm still a fan> Having said that, my next purchase will be a Canik! Probably all polymer - full-size. Suggestion?
the canik mete sft is a great choice, look into it
I love the video great video but I would never trade my glock in for a Canik
Awesome comparison I never got to do the comparison review…I haven’t shot the competitor since the Rival came out…Lmao Seems like it will be a landslide win for The Rival
We’re not all competitive shooters, that the same Canik as the sfx polymer , just steel , and almost twice as much..
Same can be said of the mp 2.0
must be nice to know someone that knows someone to get this Rival-S chrome
It's funny that you say this I had to get a gunsmith friend to slightly crimp my slide rails on an aftermarket p320 slide because of a similar issue! But this should not be happening from the factory
The removal front plastic strap should be epoxied in place.
A lot of generalizations on the Smith. I would say both are good choices. The trigger on my M&P is great but I’m not out saying that the gun is the best comp gun because of my trigger.
They are not in the same league. If you try them out side by side I suspect you will agree with me.
I just saw this video and saw the slide walk part and went and checked all 5 Glocks I own. All 5 have play in slide/frame
You don't understand the issue. The play itself is not the problem it's the fact that it walks when the striker falls. Meaning you can visibility see the sights move a considerable amount when the striker falls. If this does not create accurately issues it certainly ruins dry fire practice because you can no longer distinguish between a flinch and the gun. None of the 25 Glocks I have owned have that. No striker fired handgun I have ever shot does that.
I traded my canik elite sc in for a glock 45. I had a hard time finding mags fir the canik
Get back to me when these are chambered in 10mm.
Canik is the equivalent to Kia/ Hyundai and smith and Wesson is good ol Chevy I like Chevy
Thank you for officially convincing me not to get the competitor!!! And you emphatically convinced me to purchase the CANIK RIVAL SFX S!!!👍👍👍
I like the CZ Shadow 2 more than both of these.
That gap between the blackstrap and the frame of the m&p is also unacceptable
Sw looks way better!
I'm looking for someone that has a rival-s in stock as I watch this. I wish they had a 10mm
For the price of the smith , and the unwilling to fix some issues .. yeah not my cup of tea
I only wish the canik would come with more then 2 mags
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Sig P322 .... leading in the barrel issue and the gun was sent back to Sig, came back with X fixed and X replaced and NOTHING was done
Soooo........do you like your S&W?
Ive shot both and the Canik is a true competition gun. Not sure what Smith and Wesson is doing here. Polymer version of the 2.0 is just as good.Canik rival s blows the S&W away
From what im seeing other reviews. You may havw gotten a lemon.
something about the competitor that smith & wesson let go to shit. this may be part of the m&p metal family but for some reason the comp version has problems and quality control issues when compared to the regular m2.0 metal
Glock 34 gen 5 > S&W competitor?
I owned both and I still have the Glock. If you want a race gun I think they are both poor choices. I would rather have a Canik Rival steel frame or a CZ Shadow 2. For a large carry or duty gun I would rather have the Glock 34 Gen 5. Slide to frame fit is better, mags are cheaper, trigger reach is better, and I find I can keep both hands on the gun easier with the Glock. The Smith and Wesson looks better though. If the slide to frame fit on my competitor had not been so sloppy as to cause major issues with dry fire practice, and accuracy with live fire, I would have kept the gun. I have purchased 3 Smith and Wesson Firearms in the last 3 months. All of them went back to the factory for repair. It is unlikely I will own another one in this lifetime. I have owned 20-30 Glocks and never had an issues with any of them.
This review is a S&W hater review. This pistol is being used by many professional competition shooters all over and they love it. Plus look up the world competition champion Jerry Miculek Jr is an American professional competition shooter. LOOK IT UP. He loves this pistol! For every one hater on this pistol there are five videos of lovers.
This video is an objective review of someone who owned both handguns and compared them. Jerry gets paid to shill for Smith and Wesson. He promotes alot of garbage products and so do a lot of other competition shooters. It's part of the game.
Not even a close comparison!
I feel like you got a lemon in the Metal 2.0.. Now that is totally a quality issue, but I shot the Canik TP9 combat and the M&P2.0 metal and decided on the metal after a few hours of shooting! 2500ish rounds on mine and love it! I also have the non competition version but I can't imagine it being much different.
I’m surprised with the issues you’re experiencing with the M&P Competitor. The fit/finish, trigger, reliability and accuracy has been fantastic with mine. The only issue I’ve had is with the loose front strap, which is easily fixed with Loctite 380 Max adhesive. I admit I’m biased and won’t buy Turkish made firearms.
okay and the reason?
Made is US vs Turkey…
Smith and Wesson should be embarrassed by that case for the gun. The foam they used looks like trash. It’s like storing your nice car in a wood shed.
When Smith spits out a proper pistol, it's insanely reliable and dead accurate. But for some reason, they seem to he inconsistent. Canik has had some consistency issues as well, but they are trying their best to grow and succeeding. I won't be buying a Canik anytime soon, but I can understand why other people are purchasing them.
He sounds like he works for CANIK
You sound like you have no experience with both of these.
Caniks have a stupid grip on them.
Like someone just shaved down a 2x4.
Trigger is nice.
That’s about it.
One of the most dirtier guns I have had.
For the price of a Canik it’s a good deal.
But their grips are atrocious
Canik how can we copy other gun manufactures, stealing the Walther PPQ design, and produce it cheaper in Turkey. Shot the M&P metal this weekend and it shoots great. All things being the same, I’d buy the M&P. Love my PPQ too. Not a fan of companies that steal designs, example all the Turkish shotguns.
So you think Smith and Wesson invented the wheel when they copied Glock?
I carry the S&W Metal Comp as my duty pistol and I've never had a single issue with it or any that you're nitpicking on, I'd tell you flat to your face you're bluntly incorrect and this review is skewed
And I would tell you flat out to your face it's not marketed as a duty pistol it is market as a competition pistol. It's in the name of the pistol. As a result comparing it to other competition pistols and reviewing as such seems fitting. You missed the entire point of the comparison and managed to attached your ego to your firearm. I suspect you do not own a Canik Rival S or a CZ Shadow 2 for comparison. If you did you would understand what I am talking about. Now if you want to talk about a good duty gun that's a totally different conversation. I am glad you found a duty gun you like. Have a nice day.
@TheFullNeilson LOL brainless reply, nice try at a gotcha. It wins competitions regularly and its good enough for duty, every little whiny complaint of yours would be tested in the field and has been. Go clutch your pearls, I don't think guns are for you princess. I could dismantle everything you complained about pretty easily. Hell even the last time I used it in comp in June I shot Range High and that was even against Caniks. You don't seem well informed at all
I'll take my tisas px9 gen3 duty ANY day OVER my s&w 40cal for a edc smith is totally unreliable jams doesn't always fall into battery and stovepipe like crazy but it was my 1st pistol and I'll never sell it for that reason alone. Other then that my Turkish gun is reliable as all get out and smooth as silk. Both were around the same price
Aesthetic wise M&p wins .
Sounds like a biased review, your the only one that doesn't like the S&W
Biased? I own both do you?
Smith is a joke
You hated on the M&P the entire Vid. Horrible comparison video.
What do you think the M&P does better besides looks?
NOT even worth watching BS
Have you used both?
Hopefully smith changes these problems I really was looking at one to buy lol I'm not going to until I hear they fixed .
I see what your saying about the canik though they seem to be a very good choice sounds like smith and wesson should just come out with a gen 2 of that gun to fix some of the down falls of the smith .personally I hate timney trigger they are unreliable. If I was a competition shooter I may give them more of a chance but my guns are for in case I need to use them for a more tactical situations and I swear smith got confused with that gun between duty and competition.
Well smith and wesson looks way sicker and made in the USA
Thank you for your unbiased review. Dude, you started the video off with the problems gun has but that’s not a universal problem. Like you should have gotten another Smith and Wesson MP to review.
If he sent it back and they gave it back and didn’t fix the issues then that’s on them and it deserved the bad talk it got.
That's bullshit that they released a gun that has accuracy problems?
The smith is junk ………
No QC The canik platform is superior the S is hard to find in my area . I have the tpsfx9 and the rival darkside there triggers are the best striker fired on the market better then all the Walther even there $1800 guns ………