I do like to keep the shield between the fins and the pipe after making a custom one, feel that the flywheel fan works more efficiently with that concentrated airflow over the fins.
Nice Job!!! And you are 100% right it’s a blast to take some old scrap, and make it Brappp!!! I plan on making another for the old 365 this time. Thanks for all the great inspiration and information… Makes a Fella chuckle inside when you fire one up piped!! Happy New Year Brother..
Hi Tinman So off the subject of pipes😂 I just built an 038AV which has a 50mm bore (so I think it’s basically a super) but it’s a totally original clean saw, I know the owner. I took the bottom ring out, deleted the base gasket and opened up the lower transfers. I didn’t touch anything else. I really struggled to get it to idle properly, I found the fuel pipe was sucking itself in so I replaced that and then found that the saw was now running rich on idle instead of lean. It was a real pain to tune! It just seemed to keep filling the crankcase with too much fuel on idle no matter how I tuned it. When I blast the throttle it clears for a while and then starts puddling again at idle. So I took it apart and found the whole crankcase lined with oil and the oil was black. So it got me thinking maybe because I’d taken the bottom ring out it was effectively reducing my blowdown duration a ton on idle, ok at higher rpms and cutting. So I’ve put the bottom ring back in and it’s perfect. Have you experienced this?
Great Video...2 days in the shop and got a pipe for the 372. very loud, LOL Live close to a junk dealer and am using stainless steel. Now I'm hooked. Not sure wether to thank you or not. LOL
That’s a great way to explain it like a diesel truck. My “swirl chamber” pipe takes a while to warm up but as soon as it does it turns into a MONSTER, I definitely designed it more for pull than crack though because I’m in larger hardwood most days and have a smaller saw for limbing
Hi Tinman, Nice pipe! You are right that not every pipe works as planned. I have made lots of little changes to the pipes I have made to get the results I was looking for. Some times the pipe is fine on a different saw because of the porting or cylinder bore and piston size. It is fun to play and learn along the way. That 460 looks like it will pull a long bar just fine.
Like that design, efficient, easy to install, looks great. It appears to be a good fit for that build. Excellent choice I believe. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
Hey man love your videos... You are the main reason I know how to setup and correctly read a timing wheel..... I have a MS460 top-end on a motorized bike case and the thing ripped like awesome until it locked up one day and not sure exactly why but I got lucky and it didn't tear up the cylinder or piston really... I think the rings might been too tight in the groove or something... It was an aftermarket cylinder combo and whole engine was built by a guy that supposedly knew what he was doing but I've had 2 of his engines fail on me... I'd love to pick your brain a Lil and show you some pics of what happened... Hopefully maybe you can spot what caused it and/or give me some tips on how to keep it from happening again.. I'm currently porting the cylinder and just messing around with it cause it's either gonna run again or not... I'm about $700 into this engine from him and yeah 😢 lol 😂
That 2nd one is a nice pipe , sounds great ! And best of all it an upgrade. Not just a sound. Im going to work with a tig welder and try to use titanium to pipe my favorite saws
Yep that chain got smoked. That sucks. It's happen to me I found 3 trees that I cut and barbwire was in the middle of the wood so the metal has been in that wood for almost 25 years. Ate up two chains . Still used till the end
It runs a lot smoother than the first one that’s for sure. Now on the nail I hate when that happens about 4 yr ago I was cutting a 5 round cedar up for fire wood That son of buck tree had grown around a medal steak that was about 8 “ beneath the bark and jack up my chain to the max
Sounded like That 460 just needed about 6 more inches of that wood to GNAW ON !! Lol...I've actually got a Husky 576xp that I'm not sure if I want to pipe outta the existing OEM box or make a total pipe from scratch...but first I gotta figure out why I'm covering my clutch with bar oil with the adjustment screw reefed all the way...not tight but just bottomed out..I'm not familiar with Huskies..but I'm thinking there's an O-Ring or something jacked up on it...any info would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks TinMan and keep up the GREAT work!!
Pipes are pretty much trial and error. The last pipe sounded great on the bench and seemed decent in the cut but this one definitely seems stronger where it matters!
Nice pipe Tinman! Now she's a mean machine. I know you're not super fond of them, but I'm still hoping you'll dive in to a 365/372 x torq one of these days. My 372xt is pretty unimpressive compared to my echo 620 with bolt on mods and no port work. Do you think an Ironhorse style pipe would help with a stock saw? I have an ear for keeping my saws in the window as far as tuning is concerned, so that's a non issue. Thanks bud!
Love the work, looking to start piping my saws rather then jus porting the muffler but i got a question. Why dont these companies make their saws ported or piped stock?
I think a lot of this pipe power is caused by the placebo effect you make a pipe you want it to make more power so your mind tricks you into thinking it has more power! Iv seen dyno jo dyno several pipes from several different people several different styles shapes lengths and even the ones that do make more power only give the saw a tenth or two more HP and that’s the most iv seen in one of his videos and most of his saws he’s testing these pipes on are ported saws!! I really doubt someone could really feel a tenth or two of a hp in a saw!! I could see you being able to see a difference in throttle response and that makes sence getting air in and out more efficient I just don’t see the HP gains that really make it worth making a saw that loud!
You are right in that there is not a big HP gain with a good working work pipe. What I find is the torque band is a little broader and stronger in the cut. I don't think the dyno shows or tells the true story when it comes to measuring torque in the cut. I think the felt increase in pull is more noticeable when actually running the saw versus what shows up on a dyno graph. One of the other big advantages I see with a pipe is getting the heat away from the cylinder head and out. But they are loud and not for everyone!
You’ve must’ve watched another video than the one everyone else saw … Dyno Joe got a 18% gain over stock using an elephant nose pipe - that’s close to the gains you get with some of these so called $500 port jobs! I know for a FACT these pipes work , especially in the timber - “placebo effect” my ASS 😂
Killer! Love the videos btw. I have a 562xp with a full skip chain and 28” bar. Do you think I should start with building a pipe to make it a little zippier?
Straight shot dual outlet gonna perform better than a single outlet curved pipe - might be a fuzz LOUDER and use a fuzz more fuel but who cares … all about Flow and physics of gas movement at higher temps! Little things can make BIG differences from my experience … there IS a market for these style pipes as long as the price point is kept around $75, which kinda of limits what ya can do but that’s life in the big city eh ? I’ve actually sold quite a few of my version of them and just shipped a pair out to Canadian cutter (utube handle) this morning ! At this stage of the game anyone saying these pipes do not work either is being deliberately obtuse or just plain can’t run a chainsaw 😂
@@fabzacres-blackcata straight shot dual outlet actually won’t put perform a properly designed pipe. If you can ever run both you’ll actually immediately notice the difference, bark boxes and straight shots do have their place though.
@@SomeGuysSawShop I wasn’t referring to a bark box or Egan pipe … I meant a straight - shot right off the exhaust outlet , o.a.l + or - depending characteristic desired and terminating in a dual outlet either shotgun style or on either side … I’ve made a version I dubbed the Rowdy Pipe for a 562xp and it really pulls quite nicely on that saw - absolutely destroys the stock muffler and noticeably quicker than a gutted muffler too. …. LOUDER for sure however when ya pull up on the pistol grip and dog in with a sharp chain she EATS ! Sold quite a few of em at $75 , actually made a video of the build process IF guy/gal wants to make em themselves … I’m not lookin to make a million $$$ off this , just have some fun 🤩 with them … Who knows , someone may take my design and improve it and send the info back to me ! I’ve sent a version to Dyno Joe for test purposes and the guy from Wild West Garage , Morgan has too … they are loud and they work …. Period 😉
Bob Garland here, love your advice. I've been millwright for 35 years ,and still enjoy good advice. Thanks 😊
I do like to keep the shield between the fins and the pipe after making a custom one, feel that the flywheel fan works more efficiently with that concentrated airflow over the fins.
The header pipe magic is a challenge that I struggle with!
Thanks buddy for sharing!
Nice job Tinman.
Nice Job!!! And you are 100% right it’s a blast to take some old scrap, and make it Brappp!!!
I plan on making another for the old 365 this time.
Thanks for all the great inspiration and information… Makes a Fella chuckle inside when you fire one up piped!!
Happy New Year Brother..
Sounds great. Looks pretty cool too. Good job Tinman!
Hi Tinman
So off the subject of pipes😂 I just built an 038AV which has a 50mm bore (so I think it’s basically a super) but it’s a totally original clean saw, I know the owner. I took the bottom ring out, deleted the base gasket and opened up the lower transfers. I didn’t touch anything else. I really struggled to get it to idle properly, I found the fuel pipe was sucking itself in so I replaced that and then found that the saw was now running rich on idle instead of lean. It was a real pain to tune! It just seemed to keep filling the crankcase with too much fuel on idle no matter how I tuned it. When I blast the throttle it clears for a while and then starts puddling again at idle. So I took it apart and found the whole crankcase lined with oil and the oil was black. So it got me thinking maybe because I’d taken the bottom ring out it was effectively reducing my blowdown duration a ton on idle, ok at higher rpms and cutting. So I’ve put the bottom ring back in and it’s perfect. Have you experienced this?
Great Video...2 days in the shop and got a pipe for the 372. very loud, LOL Live close to a junk dealer and am using stainless steel. Now I'm hooked. Not sure wether to thank you or not. LOL
Good evening Tinman. Great information. Thank you very much.
That’s a great way to explain it like a diesel truck. My “swirl chamber” pipe takes a while to warm up but as soon as it does it turns into a MONSTER, I definitely designed it more for pull than crack though because I’m in larger hardwood most days and have a smaller saw for limbing
Hi Tinman, Nice pipe! You are right that not every pipe works as planned. I have made lots of little changes to the pipes I have made to get the results I was looking for. Some times the pipe is fine on a different saw because of the porting or cylinder bore and piston size. It is fun to play and learn along the way. That 460 looks like it will pull a long bar just fine.
Great content Tinman, but I think the nail smoked You, because you’re the one who had to go fix the chain after the sparks flew😁🎆
Like that design, efficient, easy to install, looks great. It appears to be a good fit for that build. Excellent choice I believe. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
Hey man love your videos... You are the main reason I know how to setup and correctly read a timing wheel..... I have a MS460 top-end on a motorized bike case and the thing ripped like awesome until it locked up one day and not sure exactly why but I got lucky and it didn't tear up the cylinder or piston really... I think the rings might been too tight in the groove or something... It was an aftermarket cylinder combo and whole engine was built by a guy that supposedly knew what he was doing but I've had 2 of his engines fail on me... I'd love to pick your brain a Lil and show you some pics of what happened... Hopefully maybe you can spot what caused it and/or give me some tips on how to keep it from happening again.. I'm currently porting the cylinder and just messing around with it cause it's either gonna run again or not... I'm about $700 into this engine from him and yeah 😢 lol 😂
That pipe looks really cool
Hey Tinman nice pipe I've been changing mine up a little making them exit out the front a little instead of straight out the side
yes pipes work! i have built a iron horse style for my husqvarna 455 and it made a huge differences, and complimented the port job i did.
That 2nd one is a nice pipe , sounds great ! And best of all it an upgrade. Not just a sound.
Im going to work with a tig welder and try to use titanium to pipe my favorite saws
Yep that chain got smoked. That sucks. It's happen to me I found 3 trees that I cut and barbwire was in the middle of the wood so the metal has been in that wood for almost 25 years. Ate up two chains . Still used till the end
It runs a lot smoother than the first one that’s for sure. Now on the nail I hate when that happens about 4 yr ago I was cutting a 5 round cedar up for fire wood That son of buck tree had grown around a medal steak that was about 8 “ beneath the bark and jack up my chain to the max
O man what a bummer when u hit a nail !
Really like the pipe, it seems to really help
It's always kinda cool watching these saws scavenge. Nice video.
Havin way too much fun in the Saw Shop. 😂
Happy New Year Tinman!
Seems like the 2nd pipe picked up some mid range! Runs good!
thanks for the video and advise
Sounded like That 460 just needed about 6 more inches of that wood to GNAW ON !! Lol...I've actually got a Husky 576xp that I'm not sure if I want to pipe outta the existing OEM box or make a total pipe from scratch...but first I gotta figure out why I'm covering my clutch with bar oil with the adjustment screw reefed all the way...not tight but just bottomed out..I'm not familiar with Huskies..but I'm thinking there's an O-Ring or something jacked up on it...any info would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks TinMan and keep up the GREAT work!!
Great pipes!! Do you worry about back pressure?
Pipes are pretty much trial and error. The last pipe sounded great on the bench and seemed decent in the cut but this one definitely seems stronger where it matters!
Tinman Nice Pipe! looks like an Alien!! 😂
Do you think pipes make much of a difference on stock saws?
Nice pipe Tinman! Now she's a mean machine. I know you're not super fond of them, but I'm still hoping you'll dive in to a 365/372 x torq one of these days. My 372xt is pretty unimpressive compared to my echo 620 with bolt on mods and no port work. Do you think an Ironhorse style pipe would help with a stock saw? I have an ear for keeping my saws in the window as far as tuning is concerned, so that's a non issue. Thanks bud!
Love the work, looking to start piping my saws rather then jus porting the muffler but i got a question. Why dont these companies make their saws ported or piped stock?
$$$ and regulations
Dammmmm I need to get on the welder, my saws are missing out!!
How's the Tinman and family?
Looks like back pressure is key to making pipes think about that on all your pipe builds
That pipe Looks like a praying mantis. Nice job my friend!!
Haha “I want crack” said the tinman
I think a lot of this pipe power is caused by the placebo effect you make a pipe you want it to make more power so your mind tricks you into thinking it has more power! Iv seen dyno jo dyno several pipes from several different people several different styles shapes lengths and even the ones that do make more power only give the saw a tenth or two more HP and that’s the most iv seen in one of his videos and most of his saws he’s testing these pipes on are ported saws!! I really doubt someone could really feel a tenth or two of a hp in a saw!! I could see you being able to see a difference in throttle response and that makes sence getting air in and out more efficient I just don’t see the HP gains that really make it worth making a saw that loud!
You are right in that there is not a big HP gain with a good working work pipe. What I find is the torque band is a little broader and stronger in the cut. I don't think the dyno shows or tells the true story when it comes to measuring torque in the cut. I think the felt increase in pull is more noticeable when actually running the saw versus what shows up on a dyno graph. One of the other big advantages I see with a pipe is getting the heat away from the cylinder head and out. But they are loud and not for everyone!
You’ve must’ve watched another video than the one everyone else saw … Dyno Joe got a 18% gain over stock using an elephant nose pipe - that’s close to the gains you get with some of these so called $500 port jobs! I know for a FACT these pipes work , especially in the timber - “placebo effect” my ASS 😂
@@wayneanderson991THIS !
Hahaha not a chance!!
@@terrycalvert7812 For YOU ! 😂🥩🍳🇺🇸💰💰💰💰
Is that a Flathead engine behind you??
Yes war time 45ci
Killer! Love the videos btw. I have a 562xp with a full skip chain and 28” bar. Do you think I should start with building a pipe to make it a little zippier?
Hello, tinman
Hey
she's a ripper
They are too loud if you’re trying to sleep.
Lol comment of the week
Straight shot dual outlet gonna perform better than a single outlet curved pipe - might be a fuzz LOUDER and use a fuzz more fuel but who cares … all about Flow and physics of gas movement at higher temps! Little things can make BIG differences from my experience … there IS a market for these style pipes as long as the price point is kept around $75, which kinda of limits what ya can do but that’s life in the big city eh ? I’ve actually sold quite a few of my version of them and just shipped a pair out to Canadian cutter (utube handle) this morning ! At this stage of the game anyone saying these pipes do not work either is being deliberately obtuse or just plain can’t run a chainsaw 😂
@@fabzacres-blackcata straight shot dual outlet actually won’t put perform a properly designed pipe. If you can ever run both you’ll actually immediately notice the difference, bark boxes and straight shots do have their place though.
@@SomeGuysSawShop I wasn’t referring to a bark box or Egan pipe … I meant a straight - shot right off the exhaust outlet , o.a.l + or - depending characteristic desired and terminating in a dual outlet either shotgun style or on either side … I’ve made a version I dubbed the Rowdy Pipe for a 562xp and it really pulls quite nicely on that saw - absolutely destroys the stock muffler and noticeably quicker than a gutted muffler too. …. LOUDER for sure however when ya pull up on the pistol grip and dog in with a sharp chain she EATS ! Sold quite a few of em at $75 , actually made a video of the build process IF guy/gal wants to make em themselves … I’m not lookin to make a million $$$ off this , just have some fun 🤩 with them … Who knows , someone may take my design and improve it and send the info back to me ! I’ve sent a version to Dyno Joe for test purposes and the guy from Wild West Garage , Morgan has too … they are loud and they work …. Period 😉
I’m just getting into making pipes, what are you guys, using for material?
Are you losing weight?
Yep
better not be from the crack lol@@tinmanssaws
I was thinking TinMan is die hard a "husky" fan? 🙄
I like powersaws in general but yep typically run huskies