I have over the years repaired and serviced all the class 60 brake compressors and trust me they are very powerful pieces of equipment along with the locomotives. I think you’ll find the driver is being very careful and the initial movement is taking up the slack on the couplings then he applies more power to get it going 😊
It looks to me like he took up slack then stalled due to not calling for enough power, after it stalled if you look carefully sand gets put down to get it moving. It is easier to get a consist moving whilst taking up slack because you are effectively puling and adding 1 wagon at a time instead of everything at once. When the train stalled there was no slack left and it became a full dead weight in one full length. It would have been better to call for more power sooner to keep momentum and not come to a stop after taking slack.
@@mightynosebleed7476 I used to think the same until someone taught me about snatching. If you have a freight loco drive off too fast then the couplings in quick succession pull taught. each wagon weighs 100 tonne, once several pull taught this easily outweighs the loco many times over. Hmm, best way I can think of is when a toddler in a harness runs away from an adult, it pulls taught and the toddler bounces around, left right and up and down. The train version of this can cause the loco to jump off the tracks. Not sure if this analogy works for everyone but I have witnessed myself a 60 doing this separating several wagons that need fixing out of a rake of 25 biomass wagons. The driver wasn't giving it enough welly to derail it but she did keep jumping around half as bad when doing it. Some right good thrash for me though!
You would get this if you just pinned the throttle as well as filling the station with volcanic 60 Ash 😂😅 but there are very few drivers who would be doing this. Most go on the side of caution and too Conservative as in this case above. The class 60 has a brilliant traction control system which makes it far superior over the 66 just the engine reliability and ease / cost of maintenance let's it down
30 tonne per wagon unladen = 690 tonnes. 102 tonne per wagon fully loaded = 2346 tonnes. definitely more than 300 tonnes. It picked up quite quickly by the end of the clip.
That's a very tidy piece of driving. He let's the power build up gently as all the brakes come off, then keeps the power subdued until he is clear of the trainshed. The loco looks to be in good order as well
@@robincoleman1350 Plants have, it's not a driver of global temperature either. I think it's utterly pointless moving wood pellets from the US and pretending that this somehow makes any difference to anything at all other than some USian's bank balance.
@@BrianMorrison hit the nail on the head there sir, Plus if we reduce the worlds co2 footprint we can actually get away with more reckless deforestation of the world. 10 million hectares of forest are cut down each year
The people who create these videos say things like that just to get youtubers to watch them , like those US doctors that say don't eat the 10 foods etc so you read ages of verbal diarrhoea get to the end then you have to watch a video for several minutes & one is still no the wiser
Tons were not mentioned and neither was tonnes. He was talking about tones which I think is either something to do with colour or the sound of the locomotive horn.
Cool 👍 I'm not sure they struggle. I've seen them on grades with 30, 100 ton aviation tanks. The crawl up but I think it's the gearing. They (60s) climb Langho Bank with 2200 tons on. Slow but powerful up the grade
LMAO "Trainload of greenwash" Best description I've heard of it, gotta remember to use that myself. They said when they started this pellet business it would be from the off cuts that the lumber industry can't use. It wasn't... They are chopping down large areas of forest and making pellets from the entire lot. Setting aside how much life forms in the forest die, not very green. The forests will re grow and suck the CO2 back out of the air over time that the burnt pellets emitted. They won't suck back the CO2 of the lorries that take the logs from forest to the train depot. or the trains that move it to the docks. nor the solid sludge crude oil on the cargo ships moving it over an ocean and once again the trains here.
For someone posting train videos, you got this hopelessly wrong. No struggle at all, loco names wrong, weights wrong.... think you mayve got your subject matter all wrong too looking at it.
@@ibelieveyou2066 the latter. Although ill put a speaker next to my scales later and play different train horn clips just to be sure the tones weigh exactly the same 🤣
North out of York around the curve has always been a tough test needing sensible driving. Also as well as the tonnage error the caption also has the wrong name. Quite clearly readable as Helvellyn named after the fell/mountain.
the class 60 was ok and not stuggling, just careful power application, Drax,reminds me of Mr Drax in the James Bond film,who built rockets to dominate earth,
Click bait title, and the required reaction was clearly achieved. It's a shame so many British locomotives are so unjustly maligned until they're taken out of service, then there's outrage and all of a sudden their praises can't be sung highly enough; what a bizarrely pathetic little country this is!
It don't need any help. Like other commenters have said it's careful driving. They haven't said why it is, but they are telling the truth. I've have seen these loco's at least a dozen times drag 2500 tonnes up the incline from Liverpool docks on wet rails, or in the rain on their own. A few other locos can do that incline and weight in the dry single handed but not in poor railhead conditions. This is in the dry and on the level with empty wagons. It ain't struggling at all.
Great locos the 60,s very powerful, think they have more tractive effort than the 66, last of the nice looking locos built ,unlike the hiddeous ugly class 70,s
A Class 37 would have STORMED OUT with that load - foreign rubbish like the 'yinger' 66! ALL NOISE no pull. I was just waiting to hear it blow a turbo or a gasket!🤔
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I have over the years repaired and serviced all the class 60 brake compressors and trust me they are very powerful pieces of equipment along with the locomotives. I think you’ll find the driver is being very careful and the initial movement is taking up the slack on the couplings then he applies more power to get it going 😊
It looks to me like he took up slack then stalled due to not calling for enough power, after it stalled if you look carefully sand gets put down to get it moving. It is easier to get a consist moving whilst taking up slack because you are effectively puling and adding 1 wagon at a time instead of everything at once. When the train stalled there was no slack left and it became a full dead weight in one full length. It would have been better to call for more power sooner to keep momentum and not come to a stop after taking slack.
@@mightynosebleed7476 I used to think the same until someone taught me about snatching. If you have a freight loco drive off too fast then the couplings in quick succession pull taught. each wagon weighs 100 tonne, once several pull taught this easily outweighs the loco many times over.
Hmm, best way I can think of is when a toddler in a harness runs away from an adult, it pulls taught and the toddler bounces around, left right and up and down. The train version of this can cause the loco to jump off the tracks.
Not sure if this analogy works for everyone but I have witnessed myself a 60 doing this separating several wagons that need fixing out of a rake of 25 biomass wagons. The driver wasn't giving it enough welly to derail it but she did keep jumping around half as bad when doing it. Some right good thrash for me though!
You would get this if you just pinned the throttle as well as filling the station with volcanic 60 Ash 😂😅 but there are very few drivers who would be doing this. Most go on the side of caution and too Conservative as in this case above. The class 60 has a brilliant traction control system which makes it far superior over the 66 just the engine reliability and ease / cost of maintenance let's it down
30 tonne per wagon unladen = 690 tonnes. 102 tonne per wagon fully loaded = 2346 tonnes. definitely more than 300 tonnes. It picked up quite quickly by the end of the clip.
Yes, it seemed obvious to me he meant 3,000 tonnes - no way 300!
That's a very tidy piece of driving. He let's the power build up gently as all the brakes come off, then keeps the power subdued until he is clear of the trainshed. The loco looks to be in good order as well
A class 60 'struggling' with 300 tonnes?? Are you for real??
Where was the struggle. 60 didn't break a sweat
its called click bait
That was a top piece of skilful driving we've just witnessed
Loco is called "HELVELLYN" - as in the mountain the in lake district
Got the engine name wrong, got the weight hopelessly wrong, perhaps stick to reviewing Hornby Locos.
Well he got me to click on it just to see if a loco was really named 'heavenly' ! mission accomplished ?
& the last coal train was back in June
No struggle, incorrect tonnage noted and incorrect loco name. C’mon get something correct if you’re going to post up on YT.
Pity it's not taking coal to Drax.
Nothing is taking coal anywhere anymore.
@@stephendavies6949 More's the pity.
Got a thing for co2 ? 😅
@@robincoleman1350 Plants have, it's not a driver of global temperature either.
I think it's utterly pointless moving wood pellets from the US and pretending that this somehow makes any difference to anything at all other than some USian's bank balance.
@@BrianMorrison hit the nail on the head there sir, Plus if we reduce the worlds co2 footprint we can actually get away with more reckless deforestation of the world. 10 million hectares of forest are cut down each year
Ah, biomass the green product that creates way more CO2 than coal!
It must be green though because the Tories say it is.
Carbon which has been greenwashed by the climate change lunatics.
Just a 60 doing what they do well.........
300tons?, count the Wagons and try again.
The people who create these videos say things like that just to get youtubers to watch them , like those US doctors that say don't eat the 10 foods etc so you read ages of verbal diarrhoea get to the end then you have to watch a video for several minutes & one is still no the wiser
Tons were not mentioned and neither was tonnes. He was talking about tones which I think is either something to do with colour or the sound of the locomotive horn.
Cool 👍 I'm not sure they struggle. I've seen them on grades with 30, 100 ton aviation tanks. The crawl up but I think it's the gearing. They (60s) climb Langho Bank with 2200 tons on. Slow but powerful up the grade
Tug's doing what they do best. Didn't seem to struggle lifting that lot on a curve...😮
An excellent video of the departure. 👍
I counted 23 wagons. Surely they don't weigh only 13 tonnes each, even if empty?
Trainload of greenwash. Wood pellets for Drax produce more CO2 when burnt than the coal they used to burn.
LMAO "Trainload of greenwash" Best description I've heard of it, gotta remember to use that myself.
They said when they started this pellet business it would be from the off cuts that the lumber industry can't use. It wasn't... They are chopping down large areas of forest and making pellets from the entire lot.
Setting aside how much life forms in the forest die, not very green. The forests will re grow and suck the CO2 back out of the air over time that the burnt pellets emitted. They won't suck back the CO2 of the lorries that take the logs from forest to the train depot. or the trains that move it to the docks. nor the solid sludge crude oil on the cargo ships moving it over an ocean and once again the trains here.
Main issue with most diesels is wheel slip at start, not lack of power. Looks like it's taking wood chip to Drax ( worse CO2 emissions than coal
😊)...
I look at wood chips as immature coal.
@@trainsontuesday And we import tons from Canada to burn instead of coal. Madness.
@@trainsontuesday wood chips to burn = 20 seconds trees to replace them 20 years.. Trees grown millions of years ago aka coal = burn 20 minutes.
The train is heading North - away from Drax?
It's "Helvellyn" - not "Heavenly"! Good video though.
2340 odd ton is nothing for a class 60 on that route.
I'm from Australia and I was wondering what type of wagon are they and what type of commodity do they carry ?
Biomass (woodchip) for Drax Power Station
For someone posting train videos, you got this hopelessly wrong. No struggle at all, loco names wrong, weights wrong.... think you mayve got your subject matter all wrong too looking at it.
Tones, tonnes, or, tons? Struggling🤣
For quick mental arithmetic / estimation they are all about the same weight.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 What, tones like sounds, or 1000kg tons?
@@ibelieveyou2066 the latter. Although ill put a speaker next to my scales later and play different train horn clips just to be sure the tones weigh exactly the same 🤣
A 9 F steam engine could handle this !
Reverse back 15ft to get the wheel off the flanges , away from the rail sides so a lot less friction to set off
He just doesn’t want to fill the station with smoke that’s all
Click bait misinformation be ashamed
North out of York around the curve has always been a tough test needing sensible driving. Also as well as the tonnage error the caption also has the wrong name. Quite clearly readable as Helvellyn named after the fell/mountain.
My Ex wife was probably hiding in one of the wagons🥴🥴🥴🥴🤡
3000 tonnes no problem for a heavenly tug! 😁
Could be a loaded biomass train from Tyne Dock to Drax power station.
It's heading north: away from Drax towards Tyneside/Blyth.
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Just reading that the last uk coal by rail delivery for a power station was made back in June ?
Nearer 3000 than 300 tonnes - that is not even the weight of a passenger train.
the class 60 was ok and not stuggling, just careful power application, Drax,reminds me of Mr Drax in the James Bond film,who built rockets to dominate earth,
The old tugs lead the rest follow unbeatable ❤
What a bizarre film description - nothing like the reality depicted.
Class 60s regularly pulled 2700 tonnes on fiddlers ferry back in the day.
This is Northbound so would be empty for sure. It did take a lot of getting going.
I didn’t see any struggle .. it pulled out with ease
Approximately 1,500 tonnes. Superb driver. Just a little grey exhaust from this beautiful machine so clearly NOT struggling.
Tones? 😂
The average biomass train weight is 1,650 tonnes.
Most class 60's are now our of service, lined up at totan depot and look to be awaiting scrap.
That looked like an easy lift compared to some that I've had here in Oz on the east coast.
The locomotive wasn't struggling and it was hauling considerably more than 300 tons.
using Diesel to haul wood pellets to Drax
I thought these just did Liverpool docks to Drax. Why would it be in York?
It must be due to rail works because these lovely green things pass my house so many times a day,said no one
Anyone else spot the puff of sand at 00:53?
Hardly used any notches at all. Not everyone drives like the Condor!
Click bait title, and the required reaction was clearly achieved. It's a shame so many British locomotives are so unjustly maligned until they're taken out of service, then there's outrage and all of a sudden their praises can't be sung highly enough; what a bizarrely pathetic little country this is!
it did it in the end
Certainly did
300 tones 😂
Local banking shunter to help it out of York.?
It don't need any help. Like other commenters have said it's careful driving. They haven't said why it is, but they are telling the truth. I've have seen these loco's at least a dozen times drag 2500 tonnes up the incline from Liverpool docks on wet rails, or in the rain on their own. A few other locos can do that incline and weight in the dry single handed but not in poor railhead conditions.
This is in the dry and on the level with empty wagons. It ain't struggling at all.
300 tonnes 😂
Trying to pull away with the brake still on the train...
This.
Struggling 🤣🤣
Great locos the 60,s very powerful, think they have more tractive effort than the 66, last of the nice looking locos built ,unlike the hiddeous ugly class 70,s
A Class 37 would have STORMED OUT with that load - foreign rubbish like the 'yinger' 66! ALL NOISE no pull. I was just waiting to hear it blow a turbo or a gasket!🤔
They never struggle😂
This machine would eat 300 tonnes for breakfast. Please at least try to get your facts right