The Deutschland-Ticket is without any doubt a fantastic solution for anyone traveling in Germany regularly or on several regional trips within a month. However, if you are not a continuing regular user, please be aware that it is a subscription based ticket in need of cancellation usually latest at the tenth of a month so you don't have to pay for the following month as well! So if you plan to use the ticket for your vacation in Germany, plan ahead to buy and cancel the ticket in time!
Well the D-Ticket is only for who has bank account in Germany, so you have to have someone familiar to do that. However there're tons of not-so-pleasant things so that's something to consider
well it is "fantastic" for those who want to go from A to B cheaply while leaving the bill to someone else - the tax payers - obviously - but also coming generations as they they cover the deficits by postponing maintainance let alone upgrading the network. Socialism - fails as always.
As someone currently living in Croatia and having previously lived in Sydney and Auckland, all I can say is that by comparison, Germany has an excellent and extensive network. I am aware of the many complaints people make about reliability and punctuality. Thank you to the channel for this upload. You still have a great infrastructure.
When Stuttgart21 is finished there will be 200kmh fast regional trains running on the full Stuttgart - Ulm high Speed Line as well as on the Mannheim - Stuttgart hsl between Stuttgart and Bruchsal. And while all of this sounds new and exiting, we should not forget that in France they have the 200kmh fast regional train between Basel and Strasbourg for decades now.
But have you seen the new Alstom Continetal Max curently on display at the Innotrans. They will be used for example in the Expresskreutz-Bremen. Thei look promissing too
Yes. Overall, its a connection every two hours. RE19 and RE29 make a hourly connection between Coburg and Bamberg, 15-25 minutes faster than via Lichtenfels.
Regional Trains are generally more punctual. And the 2 Min. delay at the start is usually created by passengers trying to hold the door open for friends. the ICE is usually the one that produced alot of delays, including the ones in the Regional Services.
Does depend on the service provider. Delays up to 5 minutes can quite often still get dealt with very well. Beyond that it is difficult because of passing trains.
It normally is much more punctual. I think 80% for regional trains - to ~63% for IC/ICE. Regional trains have much more stops and are slower - so take much longer overall. With a monthly ticket you can use regional trains and other slow public transport in Germany for only 49€. The problem is that a lot of Thuringia and Saxony are cut off from fast trains or have good connections - with the exception of Erfurt and Leipzig. Bike transport is often much easier in regional trains (if they have no steps) and you have much more multi purpose areas (for bikes, buggy's, scooters, wheelchairs, dogs,... ). Though I often noticed steps in Bavaria - either in the trains or gaps to the platform (sometimes both). Older train stations also have more barriers, steps later - and seldom a ramp or elevator to provide less barriers.
Yes, ICE 1.0 has many breakdown, because of system failures like power supply broken and many other important hardware. This kind of train should be already out of service, because power sully is assembled to work 25 years until it is to replace and so all other parts of train.
That really depends on the region, basically any service travelling though the Ruhrarea, D'Dorf, Cologne region will get delayed, because the corridor is massively overused. It really doesn't matter whether you're on an ICE or RE then.
Siemens Deserio are my favorite non ICE train in Germany. It's really really good. I have had opportunity to ride this in Munich area and they are really comfortable and the blue colored ones also look really beautiful.
Amazing indeed. It's actually cheaper than _any_ season ticket I had before, including the one that I could only use inside my local city limits and not between 6 and 9 am (which I had to pay about 60€ / month for). Commuting from outside the city was terribly expensive back then. About 15 years ago, I had a girlfriend living 50 minutes of train ride away from my city's main station, and I had to pay about 20€ per day (!) or 300€ per month to go there (with only half the salary I get today). In the other hand though, the 49€ Ticket isn't the best offer we ever had. In 2022 it started as 9€ Ticket, and that was really awesome. I called it the "Why not?"-Ticket, because I bought it even though I don't commute anymore thanks to home office and barely use local public transport thanks to an e-bike.
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I wouldn't be surprised if DB choose these given they're tendering for replacements at the moment - hopefully they get the same interior layout as Skoda at least got that right...
First time seeing someone make a detail vid from Erfurt, also hopefully DB will increase the frequently of this RE29, maybe 60 to 90 mins per train, but maybe in my dreams 😅
The "Deutschlandtakt", essentially a target timetable, suggests a 120 min service one hour shifted from a 120 min ICE service. So essentially a hourly connection, alternating between ICE and RE
You can look forward to the MüNüX finally running reliably. Unfortunately, we still don't have a nationwide HS network from Hamburg to Munich in Germany and are therefore accepting more travelling time and disruption as well as economic cuts. And I hope that projects such as the IRE200, the MüNüX and the FTX will eventually set a precedent throughout Germany... a Hamburg-Hanover Express would be a dream. Perhaps the FTX will be linked through to Munich at some point. Because you can still dream. Thanks for your video.
a bit of an aside but I'm fascinated you calling it the MüNüX because the only nickname I knew was the NIM-Express, the middle letter standing for Ingolstadt, which it of course usually passes through
I've ridden the new Desiro sets on ODEG's regional services around Berlin, and can confirm they're super-smooth and fast rides. One other detail about these trains, at least on the ODEG sets, that's really interesting: on a couple cars in the middle of each set they have doors at both of the usual platform heights, labeled A and B on the door, so you can always have level boarding even at stations with the older platform height. It's a subtle thing, but like the rest of the train shows a good attention to detail. Excellent video, thanks for putting this together.
And still, there is a few stations where one of the doors stays closed due to the third and very Low hight of the platform (the gap is much too big). But yes, Desiro is a well thought system.
They do alternate with ICE trains stopping at Coburg. In additon between Bamberg and Nürnberg they alternate with hourly REs from Sonneberg. More on this in the Video from Zug 2013 on this topic.
At the moment, I regularly travel from around Kassel to Nürnberg and since regional trains are included in my 49€ ticket, I often take one of these small and horribly overcrowded trains you show at 2:28 to Erfurt. The difference to these new trains to Nürnberg shocks me every time :D Also, this service is one that definitely deserves the "Express" label! Good video, I still learned new things about this route :)
Some additional facts as a regular commuter: 7:08 Some may ask why tf does this train stop at this tiny station. The reason is that the connecting time in the main station to Sonneberg would be too short. The line between Coburg and Sonneberg only has a single track with no passing opportunity, so there is no leeway right now. This might be improved with the next schedule. 7:57 These trains are used for all other regional trains in the area that have electrified lines. Regular lines only have a max speed of 160, so its sufficient. 8:12 These were the previously used regional trains, now only used on the Nürnberg S-Bahn. Fun fact, the Desiro HCs were also parked at the former freight terminal in Coburg. 8:53 We actually skip all of them. The reason being, trains cannot pass a platform with more than 200km/h. While this train would be fine, the ICEs wouldn't. So the train would have to switch lines to reach the existing stations or you'd have to expand the station to 6 tracks with two going straight through and missing the platform. The line is actually very punctual. And if its delayed, it's often just 5-10 minutes, usually because an ICE wants to pass or because of the opposing train blocking the single-track section north of Coburg. This almost always happens going northbound. Also the trains sometimes wobbles from left to right. Siemens said this will fix itself, but does not seem so.
I love how the regional trains can also be used to go to other bigger city’s without spending that much as the ICE/IC trains (I think regional trains can also be used as local trains as well because it stops at almost every stop)
I came across this vodeo as I was getting ready to go to Erfurt to catch this very train! I was surprised to see how quick the connection is, when I checked it the other day, but I had no idea! Fascinating.
The big single door on the high speed sets actually has to do with the fact that the high speed trains need to be protected against the high air pressure from trains passing each other in tunnels at high speed, which is much easier to do with a single door compared to a double door.
Frankenwald HDTV has photographed those set for along time, and the even more times i see those the more i think they are super great! - Actually if there were dewelloved a dual Electric/diesel version of those - this was the answer for the local train companies here in DK.
There are also some Desiro HC’s on my route on the Donau-Isar-Express. They are sooooo damn quiet in comparison to the older ones and the ride is so much more comfortable. Love these. I hope more will be coming to my route :D
I am living in Erlangen 20 kms away from nürnberg it is a gamechanger , as now travelling to the north´even till hamburg could be completed in 8 hours by regional trains .
I hope there will be more Regional-trains in the Ruhrgebiet. Here are living 11 Million People in serval cities but the Regional-train between them are come every 40 minutes. Before DB sold it there were trains every 20 minutes.
What other thing that could Germany do to improve their train capacity is to make station have dedicated platform from each line, for example commuter and express regional have their own platform and ICE have their own platform, ofc it will ment each train could not intersect with one another but disruption will be minimum since the train wouldn't do sudden platform switch like what happened often today in german. Is also make the flow of passenger better because people know where they should go rather than constantly paying attention to the train information display😅
Using this train very often for just a stop actually between Fürth and Erlangen, I have to say the trains are a nice replacement to the older Talent 2, with more capacity and a nice interior. However the route is still plagued by unpunctuality and lots of infrastructure problems as well as even these brand-new trains have been causing delays due to defects in doors, etc. So yeah mixed feelings. For me the S-Bahn is just more reliable but the thing is that the Regios also cause delays to the S-Bahn... Nice video
@@jojoDUB Relatively long distances like 150 or 200 km are pretty common for RE trains. RE doesn't mean "only to connect cities within the same region and certainly nothing more than that!". For citizens from Coburg wanting to or having to travel to both Erfurt and Nuremburg is pretty common. Actually it is exceedingly rare for passangers on RE trains to stick to the whole route, Erfurt - Nuremburg in this case. Very few people want to travel from Aachen to Hamm (almost 200 km away from each other) for example, but a lot of people travel between Aachen and Cologne, a lot travel between Cologne and Dusseldorf and a lot travel between Dusseldorf and Hamm, making this one of the most used train routes in Germany.
Great video! Next time, take more time covering 2nd class, because (as you saw) basically no one travels first class in a regional train. I missed that! E.g. you showed the great leg room in first class, but I assume in higher density 2nd class, it would be less, but you didn't really show that.
I once needed to take a p*ss and since I had the Deutschlandticket and was relatively near Nürnberg Hbf and determined not to pay for a restroom (bc I'm not European), I decided to hop on a train, do #1 and leave. I happened to get on the Franken-Thüringen Express and it was really nice for a RB. Actually, it was even better than most of the ICEs I've taken, since it had much space and illumination and design were top in my opinion. Credit where credit is due
I just wish DB would focus on improving the south as well as they improve central german areas. Living in the south of germany (Baden-Württemberg, Schwarzwald/Bodensee) I'm really disappointed by DB Regio and their performance. Especially the "Schwarzwaldbahn" is in terrible shape. Trains are delayed or cancelled on a daily basis, the equipment is old and you can even hear DB conductors complaining about having no ressoruces (as in backup trains) and the carriages being problematic and outdated) quite often. I think the "spend as little money as possible" mentality of the state is very problematic. FORTUNATELY in my area there's the swiss SBB complementing a lot of lacking DB Regio connections.... and who would've guessed... SBB is highly reliable...
Then take a look in the north... As long as the mood in the south is against things like the Brenner northern approach and Bavaria is unwilling to electrify (something you have in common with us in the north), I see black. What I experienced from the ‘Bahnland Bayern’ was a cheek for the name, railway service. And here in the north, people are against an NBS motorway because it would be bad for the environment. Okay, it's not an 8-lane motorway, see Bispingen. Sometimes I think we're all living in Schilda. In NIMBYtown for sure.
the problem is that Deutsche bahn is forced by the government to sell Deutschland tickets at a loss. At first, the ticked would be partially subsidized, however, the government canceled this to fix the state budget, while still forcing DB to sell these tickets at a loss.
@@daanwolters3751 Nah I don't think that is the issue. This problem has been persisting for many years, back when the Detschlandticket wasn't even a thing. DB has huge management issues and in some states it shows more than in others. + DB having to act profit oriented is also problematic in my opinion.
@@tryndaweniger8788 let me rephrase it is an issue as it causes DB to operate at a loss and rise the prices for ice tickets to compensate. Which will negatively affect their prestations. The main issue is a car lobby which successfully prevents the government form investing in rail capacity. Leading to the current situation where demand for rail is increasing exponentially but capacity on the rail is not. Most railways run at over 120% of the capacity they were designed for in Germany nowadays. And the current government is no better. Budget cuts had to be made, so the investments in rail were halved, and no budget cuts were made in road investments at all. As long as you dont resolve that, you cant fix german trains, no matter who the operator is.
People in Germany tend to hate quite alot on DB, but in my experience this is only partially true. I just come back from a round trip Hamburg Göttingen Berlin Hamburg to visit some friends and I did it all with the D ticket. I had to change 7 times in total (once between Hamburg and Göttingen, twice between Göttingen and Berlin, 4 times between Berlin and Hamburg which is only due to construction). I had no major delays, I did not miss a single trains, I always had a seat, there was always WiFi on board and even time wise it wasn't that bad (except for Berlin Hamburg). Really nothing to complain about. Obviously earlier this year I had some horror experiences, for example when the breakdown in Frankfurt happened and I had to stay a day longer in a random city.
Delays: The German rail network is at a bottleneck and this is more for ICEs and rarely affects regional train. It usualy causes issues when the same tracks are shared between Long distance, regional and goods trains or areas near main stations where sharing cannot be avoided otherwise the Regio trains are more often than not punctual. The train set: I have experienced these trains on the international-regional route between Karlsruhe(Germany) and Basel(Switzerland) on the RE-7 that used the same same Siemens Desiro hc sets all be it the 160kmph capable ones. My main critics would be the seating cushions (feels like you are sitting on a rock) and the puny overhead luggage racks, they seriously a joke. I have also traveled on the Stadler KISS the main competitor to the Desiro. They have seating comfort and the overhead luggage racks are considerably bigger. I recently also saw video showcasing the interior of the brand new Caltrain Stadler KISS units, they have even better design with greater space overhead luggage.
I went interrailing in Germany several times using the pass I used for this trip - I think this was one of two trains I caught which ran on time (includes ICEs and other REs). I'm hoping to try the Caltrain Stadler KISS units soon - heard nothing but good things about them!
Concerning the seats you have to complain to the local ordering authority, which is the NVBW (Nahverkehrsgesellschaft Baden-Württemberg). They are responsible for the quality standards they demand in their tender for regional services. If they demanded them (and also paid for them 😂), you might be able to enjoy more comfortable seating. Because of liberalization of public transport in Germany the mostly subsided regional services are tendered for a certain time (usually 10 ~ 15 years) and given to competing companies, as the long distance (and high-speed) services have to finance for themselves and every company fulfilling safety demands is allowed to offer such at their own economic risk.
The train comes from a holding siding, the four minutes are time to board. I bet the departure delay was due to a delayed ICE blocking the exit for the moment
These trains might be an improvement on the tracks where they can run full speed. But your very enthusiastic headline doesn't apply to most of DB's regional services. Why not? Because the decisive problems here are not about rolling stock. The decisive problems are with delayed upgrades and even delayed basic maintenance of railway infrastructure.
The existing line allows for 160 on the entire existing line between Lichtenfels and Nürnberg, except for Bamberg itself (140, but will be raised), just before Fürth (also 140, might be raised) and between Fürth and Nürnberg (first 140, then 80)
If it is better than the Skoda trains from Nuremberg to Munich it is allright. The Skoda trains seem to be in maintenance instead on the track. There are frequent train cancellations and lots of other problems. Perhaps they can be phased out with the new Desiro trains?!
I have been to these trains. It's for to connect small towns where traffic is relatively low It's a hybrid train which run on both diesel and electricity. Cute little train. I just love them.
ngl we need more frequent rides not newer trains a regio only running ever other hour is what screws over the deutsche bahn besides everything else with it
@@Newbyteactually, 190 is the limit before a train is considered high speed, which requires different licensing from the company, maintenance and equipment (more expensive) compared to regional trains. It's not worth the extra 10km/h for the huge pile of additional work you'd need for 200km/h
I like these trains because their Bike Compartment is big enough to fit several fights which makes it easy to bring my E Scooter along to travel between my home, the trainstation and my working place 🤗 I know many people are against bringing a Bike or an E Scooter into trains. But let me ask this: If you can't drive a car for various reasons, would you be willing to walk back and forth a fucking extra 2 hours for like 10km and more just because public transit by bus is so shitty? And by the way, even if you do get a bus they're also full to the brim. So a guy like me who doesn't need a bus anymore is actually more space for other people to board the busses!
Regional traffic is heavily susidized by the states. Less than 70% is covered by ticket sales. You'd have to sell that first in the US. Communists **shriek**
Meanwhile you have DB and Bavaria replacing the super-popular region express train on the connection Leipzig-Jena-Nürnberg (and then onwards via Stuttgart to Karlsruhe) with IC trains that nobody uses. Now you get a less then 15min travel time reduction on the 3h Journey Jena-Nürnberg at the cost of long distance pricing. And all of this while the connection via Erfurt are still way faster because you can take the ICE from there 🤦♂️
Watching from New Zealand, your awesome High Speed Train in Germany video review., are Buffet Restaurant cars only available on long haul train journey's within Europe?.
Nice train, only one problem: it is operated by Deutsche Bahn! State owned company and it’s getting worse with every minute delay. Management of DB is doing nothing but complaining that everything is so difficult (oh, there is snow in winter - who could have predicted that?)
Seems like a colossal GTX style train, with a similar top speed. It has a rather high speed differential with the ICE trains, presumably reducing line capacity, so I wonder whether something like a Javelin or even an E4 Shinkansen might have been more appropriate.
The line capacity is not reduced because the regional trains have more stops where they can be overtaken by ICEs. And Japanese trains have no business in Germany, we _export_ trains, we don't import them.
@@hape3862 I think you missed one of my points, which wasn't about the provenance of the rolling stock, but rather their characteristics. Javelin similarly runs on and off the HS1 and has a higher top speed (140mph) and the E4 is a high speed double decker train. In any case, DB *has* imported the Talgo ICE L trains, and the Bombardier double decker trains aren't German either. Also, the video seemed to say the HC is running for quite extended periods on the HSL nonstop, but 110kph slower than an ICE at maximum speed. The headway must logically be greater to keep acceptable distances. It is true that the HC leaves the HSL and returns to it later, but until it actually does leave it, there must surely be a buffer within which ICE cannot approach. Because the whole point of this train is that it has limited stops and keeps a low journey time by continuous maximum speed running, but if this is prolonged it means that the very fastest trains cannot get too close all the longer as well. Edit: in the British West Coast Main Line, the Desiro Class 350 similarly has a maximum speed of 110mph and debates about how to improve capacity in context of the Class 390 , which 'only' does 125mph, are time-worn. Now consider the line speed being 50% *greater* than the WCML, and more nonstop running by the slower trains (no Watford Junction, Milton Keynes etc)...no effect on capacity?
@@scotty241991 Right, but the ICE are not exactly slow either, they are also EMUs, and when both are at top speed, the ICE is gaining at a rate of around 2 kilometres per minute. At full speed for five minutes, the ICE seems to gain around 10km distance. I checked and from Ehrfurt it is 300kmh.
@@hape3862 Maybe in the past but a large part of you're trains became Canadian a long time ago (Bombardier) and now French (Alstom) and recently DB ordered the ICE L trains from Talgo in Spain and other train sets from Škoda in Czech Republic (only Škoda Auto is German owned).
as a regular traveller on regional trains in germany, it always annoys me to see an empty 1st class compartment when we have to stand in 2nd class for 2 hours as german ticket holders. i do not see any sense in the class division in compartments on regional trains.
4:48 the more fun part of the 2 minutes delay thing is that the offical definiton of delayed sevice from DB is that up to five minutes after the original arrvial/departure date is consider punktual and is not counted in the delay statistics
Headrests are very problematic though and make it super uncomfortable for tall people. Not nice to have them in your neck. Apart from that the train looks quite nice.
The Deutschland-Ticket is without any doubt a fantastic solution for anyone traveling in Germany regularly or on several regional trips within a month. However, if you are not a continuing regular user, please be aware that it is a subscription based ticket in need of cancellation usually latest at the tenth of a month so you don't have to pay for the following month as well! So if you plan to use the ticket for your vacation in Germany, plan ahead to buy and cancel the ticket in time!
Well the D-Ticket is only for who has bank account in Germany, so you have to have someone familiar to do that. However there're tons of not-so-pleasant things so that's something to consider
@@konichiwamina1412 there are several offerings where a credit card or paypal account is sufficient. You don't need a German bank account.
@@patrickhanft Yes, but iirc you can't buy it at Deutsche Bahn directly in this case. There are other providers that allow it through
@@wernerderchamp yes, but nobody had claimed you need to buy it from Deutsche Bahn in the first place?
well it is "fantastic" for those who want to go from A to B cheaply while leaving the bill to someone else - the tax payers - obviously - but also coming generations as they they cover the deficits by postponing maintainance let alone upgrading the network. Socialism - fails as always.
As someone currently living in Croatia and having previously lived in Sydney and Auckland, all I can say is that by comparison, Germany has an excellent and extensive network. I am aware of the many complaints people make about reliability and punctuality. Thank you to the channel for this upload. You still have a great infrastructure.
It’s due to the mixed speed traffic
We Transport very much Freight on Rails so that also does not help the passenger trains.
@@KriegerDelfin24 true. Very valid reason. Thank you.
@Hongaars1969 Thank you for your encouraging words! We need them here in the everyday hassle, 'cause there's really no more fun in German railways.
German railway and excellence is a massive oxymoron.
Thameslink: "First Class is about priority getting a seat, not additional comfort."
Deutsche Bahn: "Hold my beer!"
When Stuttgart21 is finished there will be 200kmh fast regional trains running on the full Stuttgart - Ulm high Speed Line as well as on the Mannheim - Stuttgart hsl between Stuttgart and Bruchsal.
And while all of this sounds new and exiting, we should not forget that in France they have the 200kmh fast regional train between Basel and Strasbourg for decades now.
I hope the project doesn’t get delayed much longer
Wendlingen Ulm today at 200k/h.
None of the mentioned cities are French.
@@bayern1806 Sacré bleu
@@bayern1806 So in what country is Strasbourg located then?
those fast regional Services are very promising and those Siemens Deserio HC are very popular in Germany
But have you seen the new Alstom Continetal Max curently on display at the Innotrans. They will be used for example in the Expresskreutz-Bremen. Thei look promissing too
Coburg is being served by ICE in the gaps where the RE29 doesn't drive. The rest of the route is being served by RE19 in these gaps.
Yes. Overall, its a connection every two hours. RE19 and RE29 make a hourly connection between Coburg and Bamberg, 15-25 minutes faster than via Lichtenfels.
Finally. European railroads used to really discourage bringing bicycles on board trains, but now the new train sets have plentiful bike storage.
Regional Trains are generally more punctual. And the 2 Min. delay at the start is usually created by passengers trying to hold the door open for friends. the ICE is usually the one that produced alot of delays, including the ones in the Regional Services.
Does depend on the service provider. Delays up to 5 minutes can quite often still get dealt with very well. Beyond that it is difficult because of passing trains.
It normally is much more punctual. I think 80% for regional trains - to ~63% for IC/ICE.
Regional trains have much more stops and are slower - so take much longer overall.
With a monthly ticket you can use regional trains and other slow public transport in Germany for only 49€.
The problem is that a lot of Thuringia and Saxony are cut off from fast trains or have good connections - with the exception of Erfurt and Leipzig.
Bike transport is often much easier in regional trains (if they have no steps) and you have much more multi purpose areas (for bikes, buggy's, scooters, wheelchairs, dogs,... ).
Though I often noticed steps in Bavaria - either in the trains or gaps to the platform (sometimes both).
Older train stations also have more barriers, steps later - and seldom a ramp or elevator to provide less barriers.
Yes, ICE 1.0 has many breakdown, because of system failures like power supply broken and many other important hardware. This kind of train should be already out of service, because power sully is assembled to work 25 years until it is to replace and so all other parts of train.
That really depends on the region, basically any service travelling though the Ruhrarea, D'Dorf, Cologne region will get delayed, because the corridor is massively overused. It really doesn't matter whether you're on an ICE or RE then.
@@theresabu3000 89,2% in September 2024 for regional trains, 62,4 % for IC/ICE , 88,2% in total. ( as there are so much more regional trains)
Siemens Deserio are my favorite non ICE train in Germany. It's really really good. I have had opportunity to ride this in Munich area and they are really comfortable and the blue colored ones also look really beautiful.
49 euros only for one month!? That's amazing!
It's also for bus and tram
If you're fine with longer travel times you can travel the whole country for that price.
Amazing indeed. It's actually cheaper than _any_ season ticket I had before, including the one that I could only use inside my local city limits and not between 6 and 9 am (which I had to pay about 60€ / month for). Commuting from outside the city was terribly expensive back then. About 15 years ago, I had a girlfriend living 50 minutes of train ride away from my city's main station, and I had to pay about 20€ per day (!) or 300€ per month to go there (with only half the salary I get today).
In the other hand though, the 49€ Ticket isn't the best offer we ever had. In 2022 it started as 9€ Ticket, and that was really awesome. I called it the "Why not?"-Ticket, because I bought it even though I don't commute anymore thanks to home office and barely use local public transport thanks to an e-bike.
it'll probably be 59 from next year onwards: still a steal. That said, you're paying real money for fictional punctuality.
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These trains are amazing we need them between munic and Nürmberg too ^^ the skoda trains have at the Moment a lot of Problems
I wouldn't be surprised if DB choose these given they're tendering for replacements at the moment - hopefully they get the same interior layout as Skoda at least got that right...
@@OMtheRails the interiour layout in the skodas is shit
it only starts being good once you sit in your seat
@@burgerpommes2001 I meant for the main first class coach, which has 2+1...
First time seeing someone make a detail vid from Erfurt, also hopefully DB will increase the frequently of this RE29, maybe 60 to 90 mins per train, but maybe in my dreams 😅
The "Deutschlandtakt", essentially a target timetable, suggests a 120 min service one hour shifted from a 120 min ICE service. So essentially a hourly connection, alternating between ICE and RE
You can look forward to the MüNüX finally running reliably. Unfortunately, we still don't have a nationwide HS network from Hamburg to Munich in Germany and are therefore accepting more travelling time and disruption as well as economic cuts. And I hope that projects such as the IRE200, the MüNüX and the FTX will eventually set a precedent throughout Germany... a Hamburg-Hanover Express would be a dream. Perhaps the FTX will be linked through to Munich at some point. Because you can still dream. Thanks for your video.
If the Hamburg-Hannover high speed line is being built (the current one is heavily overloaded already), this is definitely an option
a bit of an aside but I'm fascinated you calling it the MüNüX because the only nickname I knew was the NIM-Express, the middle letter standing for Ingolstadt, which it of course usually passes through
Ulm Wendlingen IRE200
@@wernerderchamp wont happen due to NIMBYs
Such a beautiful clean system!
I've ridden the new Desiro sets on ODEG's regional services around Berlin, and can confirm they're super-smooth and fast rides. One other detail about these trains, at least on the ODEG sets, that's really interesting: on a couple cars in the middle of each set they have doors at both of the usual platform heights, labeled A and B on the door, so you can always have level boarding even at stations with the older platform height. It's a subtle thing, but like the rest of the train shows a good attention to detail.
Excellent video, thanks for putting this together.
And still, there is a few stations where one of the doors stays closed due to the third and very Low hight of the platform (the gap is much too big). But yes, Desiro is a well thought system.
I'm a railfan from Chicago. Nonstop Eurotrip recommended your channel. Great selection of videos.
They do alternate with ICE trains stopping at Coburg.
In additon between Bamberg and Nürnberg they alternate with hourly REs from Sonneberg.
More on this in the Video from Zug 2013 on this topic.
Edit ICE Sprinter between Nürnberg and Erfurt takeone hour and 8 minutes while regular ICE connections take 1 hour and 20 minutes stopping at Coburg
At the moment, I regularly travel from around Kassel to Nürnberg and since regional trains are included in my 49€ ticket, I often take one of these small and horribly overcrowded trains you show at 2:28 to Erfurt. The difference to these new trains to Nürnberg shocks me every time :D
Also, this service is one that definitely deserves the "Express" label!
Good video, I still learned new things about this route :)
Fürth has an umlaut, which you can write thus: "Fuerth", Nürnberg (Nuernberg) has too, but it also has an English name, Nuremberg.
Yes apologies - the font style used in my editing software doesn't seem to accept it, but I'll aim to fix this on my future uploads!
The correct writing is Fädd.
Some additional facts as a regular commuter:
7:08 Some may ask why tf does this train stop at this tiny station. The reason is that the connecting time in the main station to Sonneberg would be too short. The line between Coburg and Sonneberg only has a single track with no passing opportunity, so there is no leeway right now. This might be improved with the next schedule.
7:57 These trains are used for all other regional trains in the area that have electrified lines. Regular lines only have a max speed of 160, so its sufficient.
8:12 These were the previously used regional trains, now only used on the Nürnberg S-Bahn. Fun fact, the Desiro HCs were also parked at the former freight terminal in Coburg.
8:53 We actually skip all of them. The reason being, trains cannot pass a platform with more than 200km/h. While this train would be fine, the ICEs wouldn't. So the train would have to switch lines to reach the existing stations or you'd have to expand the station to 6 tracks with two going straight through and missing the platform.
The line is actually very punctual. And if its delayed, it's often just 5-10 minutes, usually because an ICE wants to pass or because of the opposing train blocking the single-track section north of Coburg. This almost always happens going northbound. Also the trains sometimes wobbles from left to right. Siemens said this will fix itself, but does not seem so.
Brilliant, many thanks for the info!
I love how the regional trains can also be used to go to other bigger city’s without spending that much as the ICE/IC trains (I think regional trains can also be used as local trains as well because it stops at almost every stop)
Whats the difference between ice and ic?
@@ace-paidinfull5240 IC is a double decker intercity train in Germany! ICE a high speed intercity/International train
@@ace-paidinfull5240 fares also differ a bit
8:18 i love driving the 442s, nice trains
I came across this vodeo as I was getting ready to go to Erfurt to catch this very train! I was surprised to see how quick the connection is, when I checked it the other day, but I had no idea! Fascinating.
Great video mate.
Wow, watching this video while I am waiting for my train at the Erfurt HBF
Are you still waiting? 😂😊
The big single door on the high speed sets actually has to do with the fact that the high speed trains need to be protected against the high air pressure from trains passing each other in tunnels at high speed, which is much easier to do with a single door compared to a double door.
t cobug was one of the cities that the ancestor of the present english royal family ruled alomg with saebough and gotha.
2:58 I like riding the RRX in North-Rhine Westphalia.
Frankenwald HDTV has photographed those set for along time, and the even more times i see those the more i think they are super great! - Actually if there were dewelloved a dual Electric/diesel version of those - this was the answer for the local train companies here in DK.
Finally something reasonable from the DB. We needed this line since many years
There are also some Desiro HC’s on my route on the Donau-Isar-Express. They are sooooo damn quiet in comparison to the older ones and the ride is so much more comfortable. Love these. I hope more will be coming to my route :D
2:51 I wish the MBTA in Boston would take up something like these, they could make the single level cars bike cars or high capacity cars.
American regional rail as a whole would benefit - very much looking forward to trying the Caltrain Stadler KISS units soon!
I am living in Erlangen 20 kms away from nürnberg it is a gamechanger , as now travelling to the north´even till hamburg could be completed in 8 hours by regional trains .
I hope there will be more Regional-trains in the Ruhrgebiet. Here are living 11 Million People in serval cities but the Regional-train between them are come every 40 minutes. Before DB sold it there were trains every 20 minutes.
What other thing that could Germany do to improve their train capacity is to make station have dedicated platform from each line, for example commuter and express regional have their own platform and ICE have their own platform, ofc it will ment each train could not intersect with one another but disruption will be minimum since the train wouldn't do sudden platform switch like what happened often today in german. Is also make the flow of passenger better because people know where they should go rather than constantly paying attention to the train information display😅
Using this train very often for just a stop actually between Fürth and Erlangen, I have to say the trains are a nice replacement to the older Talent 2, with more capacity and a nice interior. However the route is still plagued by unpunctuality and lots of infrastructure problems as well as even these brand-new trains have been causing delays due to defects in doors, etc. So yeah mixed feelings. For me the S-Bahn is just more reliable but the thing is that the Regios also cause delays to the S-Bahn... Nice video
DB doing everything else instead of just reintroducing the Interregio label.
Jes
This is a regional product interregio is dead.
@@paxundpeace9970Nürnberg and Erfurt are definitely not in the same region, so calling it an IRE would make a lot of sense
@@jojoDUB Relatively long distances like 150 or 200 km are pretty common for RE trains. RE doesn't mean "only to connect cities within the same region and certainly nothing more than that!". For citizens from Coburg wanting to or having to travel to both Erfurt and Nuremburg is pretty common.
Actually it is exceedingly rare for passangers on RE trains to stick to the whole route, Erfurt - Nuremburg in this case.
Very few people want to travel from Aachen to Hamm (almost 200 km away from each other) for example, but a lot of people travel between Aachen and Cologne, a lot travel between Cologne and Dusseldorf and a lot travel between Dusseldorf and Hamm, making this one of the most used train routes in Germany.
@@jojoDUB The IRE label is only in use in Baden-Württemberg for regional trains.
British Railway lines need trains like this! Interesting video
Thank you making such a video with a lot of infomation. 🍒🍒🍒
nice video
thanks for this update :)
Good looking train with striking red livery.
Excellent accessibility ♿️... likevthe Netherlands ICNG a sped up version of a previously successful commuter train design with good results.
Ü its Fürth and Nürnberg. You can sublemnt by adding a "e" after the main vocal. Like Fuerth or Nuernberg(if your Keyboard dosn't support it) :)
This Train is so nice!
2:30 this episodes cute little guy
I am student of ilmenau. The train goes through ilmenau but doesn’t stop. A stop inbetween corburg nord and erfurt is desirable
Here in cologne, not only do we have party trams but als party busses and ships.
That moment when a German regional train is FASTER than Canada's main intercity rail...
Great video! Next time, take more time covering 2nd class, because (as you saw) basically no one travels first class in a regional train. I missed that! E.g. you showed the great leg room in first class, but I assume in higher density 2nd class, it would be less, but you didn't really show that.
You miss the old line through Saalfeld and Probstzella. The former checkpoint between GDR and FRG
The new service is excellent, as are the new Siemens EMUs !
Very good Video 🎉🎉🎉
Greetings from Coburg 😂
I once needed to take a p*ss and since I had the Deutschlandticket and was relatively near Nürnberg Hbf and determined not to pay for a restroom (bc I'm not European), I decided to hop on a train, do #1 and leave.
I happened to get on the Franken-Thüringen Express and it was really nice for a RB. Actually, it was even better than most of the ICEs I've taken, since it had much space and illumination and design were top in my opinion.
Credit where credit is due
And did you get out in time?
Deutschland ticket should be valid for kostenlos access to restrooms all over germany too 😂
@@pommesschale5440 Yes
next thing you know, bums will be bording trains to spend the night.
Also in Frankfurt as Applewoi Express well Party Trams
Talk about “Burying the lead.” Starting late and finishing on-time? That’s a near impossibility for DB.
I just wish DB would focus on improving the south as well as they improve central german areas.
Living in the south of germany (Baden-Württemberg, Schwarzwald/Bodensee) I'm really disappointed by DB Regio and their performance. Especially the "Schwarzwaldbahn" is in terrible shape. Trains are delayed or cancelled on a daily basis, the equipment is old and you can even hear DB conductors complaining about having no ressoruces (as in backup trains) and the carriages being problematic and outdated) quite often. I think the "spend as little money as possible" mentality of the state is very problematic.
FORTUNATELY in my area there's the swiss SBB complementing a lot of lacking DB Regio connections.... and who would've guessed... SBB is highly reliable...
This is due to fact that most recent ministers for transportation were from Bavaria or CSU
Then take a look in the north... As long as the mood in the south is against things like the Brenner northern approach and Bavaria is unwilling to electrify (something you have in common with us in the north), I see black. What I experienced from the ‘Bahnland Bayern’ was a cheek for the name, railway service. And here in the north, people are against an NBS motorway because it would be bad for the environment. Okay, it's not an 8-lane motorway, see Bispingen. Sometimes I think we're all living in Schilda. In NIMBYtown for sure.
the problem is that Deutsche bahn is forced by the government to sell Deutschland tickets at a loss. At first, the ticked would be partially subsidized, however, the government canceled this to fix the state budget, while still forcing DB to sell these tickets at a loss.
@@daanwolters3751 Nah I don't think that is the issue. This problem has been persisting for many years, back when the Detschlandticket wasn't even a thing.
DB has huge management issues and in some states it shows more than in others.
+ DB having to act profit oriented is also problematic in my opinion.
@@tryndaweniger8788 let me rephrase it is an issue as it causes DB to operate at a loss and rise the prices for ice tickets to compensate. Which will negatively affect their prestations.
The main issue is a car lobby which successfully prevents the government form investing in rail capacity. Leading to the current situation where demand for rail is increasing exponentially but capacity on the rail is not. Most railways run at over 120% of the capacity they were designed for in Germany nowadays.
And the current government is no better. Budget cuts had to be made, so the investments in rail were halved, and no budget cuts were made in road investments at all.
As long as you dont resolve that, you cant fix german trains, no matter who the operator is.
People in Germany tend to hate quite alot on DB, but in my experience this is only partially true. I just come back from a round trip Hamburg Göttingen Berlin Hamburg to visit some friends and I did it all with the D ticket. I had to change 7 times in total (once between Hamburg and Göttingen, twice between Göttingen and Berlin, 4 times between Berlin and Hamburg which is only due to construction). I had no major delays, I did not miss a single trains, I always had a seat, there was always WiFi on board and even time wise it wasn't that bad (except for Berlin Hamburg). Really nothing to complain about. Obviously earlier this year I had some horror experiences, for example when the breakdown in Frankfurt happened and I had to stay a day longer in a random city.
Delays: The German rail network is at a bottleneck and this is more for ICEs and rarely affects regional train. It usualy causes issues when the same tracks are shared between Long distance, regional and goods trains or areas near main stations where sharing cannot be avoided otherwise the Regio trains are more often than not punctual.
The train set: I have experienced these trains on the international-regional route between Karlsruhe(Germany) and Basel(Switzerland) on the RE-7 that used the same same Siemens Desiro hc sets all be it the 160kmph capable ones. My main critics would be the seating cushions (feels like you are sitting on a rock) and the puny overhead luggage racks, they seriously a joke. I have also traveled on the Stadler KISS the main competitor to the Desiro. They have seating comfort and the overhead luggage racks are considerably bigger.
I recently also saw video showcasing the interior of the brand new Caltrain Stadler KISS units, they have even better design with greater space overhead luggage.
I went interrailing in Germany several times using the pass I used for this trip - I think this was one of two trains I caught which ran on time (includes ICEs and other REs).
I'm hoping to try the Caltrain Stadler KISS units soon - heard nothing but good things about them!
Concerning the seats you have to complain to the local ordering authority, which is the NVBW (Nahverkehrsgesellschaft Baden-Württemberg). They are responsible for the quality standards they demand in their tender for regional services. If they demanded them (and also paid for them 😂), you might be able to enjoy more comfortable seating.
Because of liberalization of public transport in Germany the mostly subsided regional services are tendered for a certain time (usually 10 ~ 15 years) and given to competing companies, as the long distance (and high-speed) services have to finance for themselves and every company fulfilling safety demands is allowed to offer such at their own economic risk.
lmao 4 minutes earlier at the platform - still leaving 2 minutes too late
AH How i love my Deutsche Bahn
The train comes from a holding siding, the four minutes are time to board. I bet the departure delay was due to a delayed ICE blocking the exit for the moment
The first class on commuter trains isn't really that fancy enough, so you could say it's more Standard Premium, like on the Class 390's.
A proper track network would be a game changer.
I just cannot understand why the US doesn't have rail like this between moderately close mid-size cities...
Corporate interference. Airline companies and car makers don't let them do it. They are powerful people who decides how the country will function.
Caltrain?
Diese Doppeldecker erinnern mich sehr an die Schweizer Züge. Ich find die Kapazitäten und Frequenzen sollten auf gewissen Linien erhöht werden.
Mich erinnern die Doppeldecker an Reichsbahn sprich DDR Zeiten.
These trains might be an improvement on the tracks where they can run full speed. But your very enthusiastic headline doesn't apply to most of DB's regional services. Why not? Because the decisive problems here are not about rolling stock. The decisive problems are with delayed upgrades and even delayed basic maintenance of railway infrastructure.
The existing line allows for 160 on the entire existing line between Lichtenfels and Nürnberg, except for Bamberg itself (140, but will be raised), just before Fürth (also 140, might be raised) and between Fürth and Nürnberg (first 140, then 80)
This is rare: Deutsche Bahn, punctual, fast regional & first class commuter trains in one sentence!
If it is better than the Skoda trains from Nuremberg to Munich it is allright. The Skoda trains seem to be in maintenance instead on the track. There are frequent train cancellations and lots of other problems. Perhaps they can be phased out with the new Desiro trains?!
2:29 what is that😲
Ive seen or driven (on train sim world) all of these locos but never seen or heard about that one.
I have been to these trains. It's for to connect small towns where traffic is relatively low
It's a hybrid train which run on both diesel and electricity. Cute little train. I just love them.
Good video
ngl we need more frequent rides not newer trains
a regio only running ever other hour is what screws over the deutsche bahn besides everything else with it
Coburg has one of the biggest german insurers
I enjoyed the ICNG tbh - a real step change to the rancid Traxx loco hauls.
what german city doesn't - versicherungsland lmao
Not having a massive signal failure every week would have been the game changer the passengers are looking for.
Yay I'm in the video
190km/h? Wouldn't it make more sense to run Desiro HC at 200km/h to ensure timetable uniformity?
Yeah, I really wonder why they went with 190 km/h as well. It's not a big difference by any means, so like why not?
@@Newbyteactually, 190 is the limit before a train is considered high speed, which requires different licensing from the company, maintenance and equipment (more expensive) compared to regional trains. It's not worth the extra 10km/h for the huge pile of additional work you'd need for 200km/h
@@Newbytecheck the doors, you can’t run 200 with that. Conpare for example the new Dutch ICNG stock certified for 200.
200 Km/h means more costs
I stayed in Furth at a hotel right next to tracks
Which app do you use to measure the speed?
Good luck with DB. The only change they made is instead of arriving late they simply cancel it.
I like these trains because their Bike Compartment is big enough to fit several fights which makes it easy to bring my E Scooter along to travel between my home, the trainstation and my working place 🤗
I know many people are against bringing a Bike or an E Scooter into trains. But let me ask this: If you can't drive a car for various reasons, would you be willing to walk back and forth a fucking extra 2 hours for like 10km and more just because public transit by bus is so shitty? And by the way, even if you do get a bus they're also full to the brim. So a guy like me who doesn't need a bus anymore is actually more space for other people to board the busses!
I just cannot understand why the US doesn't have trains like this between relatively close moderately sized cities...
Regional traffic is heavily susidized by the states. Less than 70% is covered by ticket sales. You'd have to sell that first in the US. Communists **shriek**
Meanwhile you have DB and Bavaria replacing the super-popular region express train on the connection Leipzig-Jena-Nürnberg (and then onwards via Stuttgart to Karlsruhe) with IC trains that nobody uses. Now you get a less then 15min travel time reduction on the 3h Journey Jena-Nürnberg at the cost of long distance pricing. And all of this while the connection via Erfurt are still way faster because you can take the ICE from there 🤦♂️
Watching from New Zealand, your awesome High Speed Train in Germany video review., are Buffet Restaurant cars only available on long haul train journey's within Europe?.
yeah
Also only on ICE trains, not IC trains. The latter are said to have vending machines now, but haven't checked that yet.
@@wernerderchamp single deck IC trains sometimes still offer a bistro car.
@@bigak4776 some RE trains have snack vending machines. But proper restaurant cars are (understandably) exclusive to long distance trains.
A small self-serving bistro is also on the DB Stadler KISS units, but I'll have more to say on that soon...
Bruh cant be a gamechanger if even before trains werent on time XD
ofc bavaria gets the nicest stuff AGAIN and everything else keeps rotting... love it.
How is this diffrent, or even more modern than the Swedish ET1 or X40 trains?
5:51 what on earth happened in this shot??
Nice train, only one problem: it is operated by Deutsche Bahn!
State owned company and it’s getting worse with every minute delay.
Management of DB is doing nothing but complaining that everything is so difficult (oh, there is snow in winter - who could have predicted that?)
Weiß jemand, ob es Pläne gibt, solche Züge auch auf auf der RE 5 und RE 3 der Regio Nordost einzusetzen ?
What is the app you use to measure the speed?
Would be great, if trains working well in daily service...
Seems like a colossal GTX style train, with a similar top speed.
It has a rather high speed differential with the ICE trains, presumably reducing line capacity, so I wonder whether something like a Javelin or even an E4 Shinkansen might have been more appropriate.
The line capacity is not reduced because the regional trains have more stops where they can be overtaken by ICEs. And Japanese trains have no business in Germany, we _export_ trains, we don't import them.
@@hape3862 I think you missed one of my points, which wasn't about the provenance of the rolling stock, but rather their characteristics. Javelin similarly runs on and off the HS1 and has a higher top speed (140mph) and the E4 is a high speed double decker train. In any case, DB *has* imported the Talgo ICE L trains, and the Bombardier double decker trains aren't German either.
Also, the video seemed to say the HC is running for quite extended periods on the HSL nonstop, but 110kph slower than an ICE at maximum speed. The headway must logically be greater to keep acceptable distances. It is true that the HC leaves the HSL and returns to it later, but until it actually does leave it, there must surely be a buffer within which ICE cannot approach. Because the whole point of this train is that it has limited stops and keeps a low journey time by continuous maximum speed running, but if this is prolonged it means that the very fastest trains cannot get too close all the longer as well.
Edit: in the British West Coast Main Line, the Desiro Class 350 similarly has a maximum speed of 110mph and debates about how to improve capacity in context of the Class 390 , which 'only' does 125mph, are time-worn. Now consider the line speed being 50% *greater* than the WCML, and more nonstop running by the slower trains (no Watford Junction, Milton Keynes etc)...no effect on capacity?
@@edmonddaramy-williams625 More is to be gained by acceleration then pure top speed.
@@scotty241991 Right, but the ICE are not exactly slow either, they are also EMUs, and when both are at top speed, the ICE is gaining at a rate of around 2 kilometres per minute. At full speed for five minutes, the ICE seems to gain around 10km distance. I checked and from Ehrfurt it is 300kmh.
@@hape3862 Maybe in the past but a large part of you're trains became Canadian a long time ago (Bombardier) and now French (Alstom) and recently DB ordered the ICE L trains from Talgo in Spain and other train sets from Škoda in Czech Republic (only Škoda Auto is German owned).
I can't find the Speedmeter app, by who is it created?
RE19 was going as far as leipzig ever 2 hours I think… sit in the same train für 4 hours without needing change
Die verbauten Sitze dort sind einfach nur extrem hart und unbequem
Ich versteh dass die Leute es eilig haben aus Thüringen wegzukommen 😂
In Germany, there are always 2 questions to be asked about train traffic: Is my train running? If so, how much delay is it?
First class should have 2 - 1 for formate.
as a regular traveller on regional trains in germany, it always annoys me to see an empty 1st class compartment when we have to stand in 2nd class for 2 hours as german ticket holders. i do not see any sense in the class division in compartments on regional trains.
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4:48 the more fun part of the 2 minutes delay thing is that the offical definiton of delayed sevice from DB is that up to five minutes after the original arrvial/departure date is consider punktual and is not counted in the delay statistics
Doesn't surprise me with the amount they experience tbh
Headrests are very problematic though and make it super uncomfortable for tall people. Not nice to have them in your neck.
Apart from that the train looks quite nice.
Which app are you using at 05:08?
He litteraly stated it in the bottom right corner...
@@zugiii1086 There are many Speedometer apps and without an exact link to the app store it's hard to tell which is which.