The best part of this story was where Daredevil confronts Spider-Man, he says "If you want him, you'll have to go through me". Next panel, Daredevil gets tossed through the widow. Like a scene from a comedy movie.
This, Spider-Man VS Wolverine, Ultimate Spider-Man (Venom) prove that Spider-Man can evolve in tone without going hardcore edgelord like Sins Past and One More Day.
@@englishgiraffe2124 I want to collect all of Straczynski’s run but that collection includes Sins Past and One More Day. The two worst Spider-Man stories ever written.
Daredevil let a man die to protect his secret identity. But as soon as he got in over his head trying to rescue sin eater he was willing to sacrifice Peter's identity.
*Landlord:* "That's the schizophrenic side of the building." *New Tenant:* "Oh." *opens door, closes door* "Oh?" *opens next door, closes door* "..." *opens next door, closes door* "All these rooms are empty!" *Landlord:* "They're all owned by one guy."
@@liltaco4119 Not necessarily. You may be thinking his other kin as well such as Just Some Guy without a Mustache or Just Some Guy with half a Mustache.
The issue with Spidey punching DD through the window was my first comic I ever picked up. I’m so glad this story is covered! That issue holds a special place in my heart
To elaborate for those curious but unable to read for yourself: Eddie Brock jumped on the first "fake" Sin Eater story before Det. Carter was revealed to be the real one. The backlash afterwards was the source of Brock's resentment.
@@grifftastic2745 That always felt weird to me because if you look at it, a reporter learns that a mentally ill man attempted to kill JJJ and confessed to being a serial killer. He then writes these facts and gets them published only for spider-man to reveal that actually it was the schizophrenic next door who was doing the murders and this schizophrenic only almost did a murder. Upon learning this fact the journalistic community decides that he is the most inept reporter and he is utterly disgraced. All because he was very quick to report what no one without an an insane level of omniscience could possibly see as even a little bit suspicious.
@@Oceanman90 Yeah but Brock was way dumber in that scenario. He basically blamed Spidey for just doing his damn job in catching a maniac as opposed to blaming that psycho Gregg. He even says "if you hadn't caught the real one, no one would've known that Gregg wasn't the Sin-eater and maybe Carter would've stopped his killing Spree knowing he got away scott free". Which is dumb on so many levels and makes his "Spider-Man is a villain who doesn't care about the innocent" even stupider than it already is.
@@mrtable2861 it works as the origin of a highly disturbed man who turned into a crazy killer. The thing is that future writers fleshed him out to be more of an anti-villain/anti-hero where he wasn’t so coo-coo. Now, his original origin makes less sense.
It's interesting, between Sin-Eater, Ernie Popchik and Spider-Man/Daredevil we're getting three different types of vigilantism in comics. That must have been on purpose.
@@windwind3170 Without an impartial arbiter vigilantes decide what is and isn't warranted. In the eyes of the law they've all done that same crime, the things afterward are separate crimes. What does and doesn't constitute "self-defense" was actually what was the legal issue during the Bernie Goetz case in '84
Oh my god, it’s my book! Thanks so much for doing it guys, this story means a lot to me and is still one of my favorites even though it’s so long before my time.
When I first read this I never realized that they were 2 separate stories. I thought it just went straight from one to another. Then again I was like 10 when I read this collection for the first time.
YES!!! one of the best Spider-Man stories ever. Alongside Peter David, hopefully we can see Back Issues on Roger Stern's Spider-Man stories as well, like Hobgoblin Saga and Kid Who Collects Spider-Man
I recently reread this story and saw in the third part of Jean Dewolff death while searching for the Sin Eater Spider-Man references the kid who collects Spider-Man story from ASM vol.1# 248. Which is pretty cool if I can say so!
I always liked the concept of this story being basically Spider-Man and daredevil vs son of Sam. I always liked the concept of street level characters fighting low or no powered serial killers.
7:53 Sal will never miss an opportunity to reference Golden Girls in Back Issues. Edit: Also, giving credit to Spencer, at least the Sin-Eater in Sins Rising and Last Remains actually absorbs the sin of the people he shoots instead of metaphysically doing it.
Yo from Australia again. Probably sick of seeing my comments about doing night shift but atm it's 2:15am and nothing to watch on RUclips and boom you come in and save the day again thank you!
Well he is the man who created Spider-Man 2099. Miguel O'Hara is is actually named after Peter David's close friend Miguel Ferrer (the voice of Shan Yu in Mulan and Vandal Savage in Seasons 1 and 2 of Young Justice).
I am quite the Spider-Man know-it-all and I consider myself a big fan, but I had no idea who Nathan Lebenski is. Never heard of 'im. Until back issues, that is. Covering Spidey books from 80s' to 90s', he is the most interesting recurring character because I had no idea he even existed.
Random info: Heath Ledger, Shannyn Sossaman, and Mark Addy (all starred in A Knights Tale as well) were in a film called "The Order" in which a Sin Eater is the main part of the story. Heath was also the Joker of course. What does this have to do with Spider-Man? Basically nothing.Except all the SIN EATING lol
I was watching old videos and this popped up in my recommended and I thought it said “10 months ago” and I got so excited cuz I thought I skipped over something. Turns out it was uploaded 10 minutes ago and I am even more excited!
The subway shooting scene was definitely inspired by Bernie Goetz And they would make two movies with Electro because Sony is still hoping for their sinister 6 movie
Another awesome episode guys! I like watching/listening while I'm doing other work in my Man Cave. This channel means a lot to me and the fact that I get to learn or re-learn information about comics I have read in the past is important to me. Thanks and can't wait for more Spider-Man/Daredevil back issues.
My favorite Spidey Daredevil story was the time Spidey was blinded, and Matt ended up helping him learn to deal with it. But the shitty part of it was when Spideys own powers started giving him similar abilities to Daredevil, then suddenly, in a rush ending, Peter sight comes back. (and those new blossoming powers are never mentioned again)
@@Ando1428 Just a commentary on how the MCU affects how I visualize things like this. The sigh is that it is not technically correct - the best kind of correct
Hey the story was great, dipped in to some fantastic writing for Peter, and Matt, and the video was fun and simple, great jobs guys, Merry Christmas!!!!
I’ve never seen this collection for a decent price :(. It’s always $30+. On a side note, I’m surprised Sal didn’t talk about DeWolf’s story in Ultimate Spider-Man.... sort of gives me hope that Ultimate Spider-Man will return to Back Issues soon!
"The Death of Jean DeWolf" always sounds like the recounting of a TTRPG game where the GM threw together a last minute murder mystery, and the guys playing Spider-Man and Dare Devil didnt bother to read their character sheats, tried to solve every problem by punching someone, and couldn't roll higher than a 5 on a D20.😂
This is a really really tight story and the only thing that’s like not good is the stupid electro stuff. Like honestly this would be an amazing darker Spider-man story for like a movie
Alright, I'm pretty sure the bit with Popchik on the subway is a reference to Bernie Goetz, which was a bit of a big deal in the 80's. Either way, Sin Eater remains one of my favorite Spider-Man villains. He's (mostly) realistic, scary, and he died before it got old (we do not consider his resurrection in Nick Spencer's run canon in this household).
One of my favorite Spider-Man comics. Although my favorite Spider-Man story, "If This Be My Destiny", this holds up. Which is your favorite Spider-Man story?
So glad I caught this video, sounds like a really interesting story in the first half, although I think the Sin Eater character would fit in much better with Batman's rogues than he would Spider-Man's. At 1:12:12 with that point I agree that comic Electro isn't main villain film material, he's not one of the more developed members of Spider-Man's rogues and I'm not a fan of them bringing back Jamie Foxx for the role, a fresh new take would have been better suited for a different actor who isn't associated with that crap from 2014. The character of Electro I think is a great template for an interesting character but so little has been done with him to make him interesting, the idea of this guy who could easily be Spider-Man's most powerful villain instead decides to just rob banks I think is an interesting idea, but Max Dillon needs to have a more fleshed out character background, his character should be more than just 'I have electricity powers and I'm kind of an asshole'. I can't stress enough how much I don't care for the Vulture character in the comics, but the MCU version was incredible with how much more depth there was to him, so maybe we might one day see that treatment for Electro, although at this point I doubt it'll happen.
I just discovered this channel. I just watched the Spider-Man vs Wolverine episode where you guys talked about Hobgoblin. Could y'all do the Hobgoblin Saga?
@@comicpop Wow, thanks for replying back. If you ever talk about Hobgoblin, could you explain what that 'red disk' Hobgoblin has on his right breast of his costume is for? Thanks again.
Guys, great review as always. Not sure if you've heard of a book called Huck by Mark Millar & Rafael Albuquerque. I'm sure all of you would dig it & would make a great back issues.
You can buy Spider-Man: The Death of Jean DeWolff right here! amzn.to/36F3i49
The best part of this story was where Daredevil confronts Spider-Man, he says "If you want him, you'll have to go through me".
Next panel, Daredevil gets tossed through the widow. Like a scene from a comedy movie.
spider-man "Alright then"
@@AnarchicArachnid "if you say so"
"Shame."
55:12
"Call an ambulance!
Call and ambulance!"
*pulls out gun
"but not for me."
Wow, as a writer I can say with certainty sometime you take scene and jokes from place and rework them into other places. That's funny.
31:13 "Black suit Spider-Man! I can do what I want!" A perfect distillation of 80s Spider-Man.
This book is great, I miss when Spider-Man was more adult oriented but not edgy
This, Spider-Man VS Wolverine, Ultimate Spider-Man (Venom) prove that Spider-Man can evolve in tone without going hardcore edgelord like Sins Past and One More Day.
@@englishgiraffe2124 those weren't edge Lord, they were just stupid 🤣🤣🤣
@@englishgiraffe2124 I want to collect all of Straczynski’s run but that collection includes Sins Past and One More Day. The two worst Spider-Man stories ever written.
@@superjlk_9538 Yeah that's why I just bought the trades and stopped at volume 7 lol
@@creature2727 I want to collect omnibuses but I feel like it’s a waste because of those two stories
1:56 Sal, I know what a television is... that's the funny thing with the big discs and the horn right?
I think that was something called a boombox,
Daredevil let a man die to protect his secret identity. But as soon as he got in over his head trying to rescue sin eater he was willing to sacrifice Peter's identity.
Matt Murdock is canonically a hypocrite who doesn't think things through at times
*Landlord:* "That's the schizophrenic side of the building."
*New Tenant:* "Oh." *opens door, closes door* "Oh?" *opens next door, closes door* "..." *opens next door, closes door* "All these rooms are empty!"
*Landlord:* "They're all owned by one guy."
Holy crap I swear I've seen you everywhere
@@liltaco4119 He goes where he's needed. He's just needed all over the place.
@@bluhmer1990 the dude is literally in like every fandom lmao
@@liltaco4119 Not necessarily. You may be thinking his other kin as well such as Just Some Guy without a Mustache or Just Some Guy with half a Mustache.
@@bluhmer1990 ah yes that clears the confusion
If we didn't think Peter was through the ringer enough... We find out he's a Jets fan
The issue with Spidey punching DD through the window was my first comic I ever picked up. I’m so glad this story is covered! That issue holds a special place in my heart
Spider-Man: So you are blind?
Daredevil: Yeah.
Spider-Man: Too bad, too bad you can't see this 🖕.
👌
Daredevil hears the telltale creak of the joints of a human middle finger and uses the sound to deduce Peter Parker is spiderman, and then ruins him
He have radar
32:13 Sal’s reaction is priceless
I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Venom connection. It seemed like you were about to. Would have been nice to bring it full circle.
Yup, this is the story that Brock disgraced himself with.
To elaborate for those curious but unable to read for yourself: Eddie Brock jumped on the first "fake" Sin Eater story before Det. Carter was revealed to be the real one. The backlash afterwards was the source of Brock's resentment.
@@grifftastic2745 That always felt weird to me because if you look at it, a reporter learns that a mentally ill man attempted to kill JJJ and confessed to being a serial killer. He then writes these facts and gets them published only for spider-man to reveal that actually it was the schizophrenic next door who was doing the murders and this schizophrenic only almost did a murder. Upon learning this fact the journalistic community decides that he is the most inept reporter and he is utterly disgraced. All because he was very quick to report what no one without an an insane level of omniscience could possibly see as even a little bit suspicious.
@@Oceanman90 Yeah but Brock was way dumber in that scenario. He basically blamed Spidey for just doing his damn job in catching a maniac as opposed to blaming that psycho Gregg. He even says "if you hadn't caught the real one, no one would've known that Gregg wasn't the Sin-eater and maybe Carter would've stopped his killing Spree knowing he got away scott free".
Which is dumb on so many levels and makes his "Spider-Man is a villain who doesn't care about the innocent" even stupider than it already is.
@@mrtable2861 it works as the origin of a highly disturbed man who turned into a crazy killer. The thing is that future writers fleshed him out to be more of an anti-villain/anti-hero where he wasn’t so coo-coo. Now, his original origin makes less sense.
27:25
Nick: I'm sorry that your partner died in the line of duty agent. Have this autographed picture of my face to get you through is difficult time
I remember this story.
My mom and I read this together.🙂
Thanks guys.
When I first read this comic I thought to myself that they can use this story to introduce Spider-man and Daredevil in the MCU
It's interesting, between Sin-Eater, Ernie Popchik and Spider-Man/Daredevil we're getting three different types of vigilantism in comics. That must have been on purpose.
I can understand Popchik as he shot those hooligans in "self defense" but Sin Eater? He just killed innocent people not criminals.
@@windwind3170 Without an impartial arbiter vigilantes decide what is and isn't warranted. In the eyes of the law they've all done that same crime, the things afterward are separate crimes.
What does and doesn't constitute "self-defense" was actually what was the legal issue during the Bernie Goetz case in '84
Her death traumatized and shocked me when I first read this and I was in college.
Oh my god, it’s my book! Thanks so much for doing it guys, this story means a lot to me and is still one of my favorites even though it’s so long before my time.
When I first read this I never realized that they were 2 separate stories. I thought it just went straight from one to another. Then again I was like 10 when I read this collection for the first time.
YES!!! one of the best Spider-Man stories ever. Alongside Peter David, hopefully we can see Back Issues on Roger Stern's Spider-Man stories as well, like Hobgoblin Saga and Kid Who Collects Spider-Man
Roger Stern is a great writer. I love his Avengers comics .
I recently reread this story and saw in the third part of Jean Dewolff death while searching for the Sin Eater Spider-Man references the kid who collects Spider-Man story from ASM vol.1# 248. Which is pretty cool if I can say so!
I always liked the concept of this story being basically Spider-Man and daredevil vs son of Sam. I always liked the concept of street level characters fighting low or no powered serial killers.
YESSSSSSSSS! This storyline is SO UNDERRATED! Thank you SAL!!!!
7:53 Sal will never miss an opportunity to reference Golden Girls in Back Issues.
Edit: Also, giving credit to Spencer, at least the Sin-Eater in Sins Rising and Last Remains actually absorbs the sin of the people he shoots instead of metaphysically doing it.
Thanks for this one, The Death of Jean DeWolff was a story I always heard about, but never read.
45:50
I'd like to think that if Daredevil beeded to make an echolocation sound, it'd just be a really exaggerated cough.
Yo from Australia again. Probably sick of seeing my comments about doing night shift but atm it's 2:15am and nothing to watch on RUclips and boom you come in and save the day again thank you!
Sal’s face when Ben asked if Jean’s mom is hot lmao
"And Thor's like 'Verily!'"
42:24
Peter David writing Spider-man tends to be super awesome.
Well he is the man who created Spider-Man 2099.
Miguel O'Hara is is actually named after Peter David's close friend Miguel Ferrer (the voice of Shan Yu in Mulan and Vandal Savage in Seasons 1 and 2 of Young Justice).
I am quite the Spider-Man know-it-all and I consider myself a big fan, but I had no idea who Nathan Lebenski is. Never heard of 'im. Until back issues, that is. Covering Spidey books from 80s' to 90s', he is the most interesting recurring character because I had no idea he even existed.
Random info: Heath Ledger, Shannyn Sossaman, and Mark Addy (all starred in A Knights Tale as well) were in a film called "The Order" in which a Sin Eater is the main part of the story. Heath was also the Joker of course. What does this have to do with Spider-Man? Basically nothing.Except all the SIN EATING lol
24:16 "Spider-Man, does it hurt to diiiieeee...", got me SO hard!
I may be in the minority but I was thrilled to see Nick bring Sin-Eater back.
I hear you man. I’m digging Spencer’s run.
I'm shocked they never brought him back as a Daredevil villain years ago
I was watching old videos and this popped up in my recommended and I thought it said “10 months ago” and I got so excited cuz I thought I skipped over something.
Turns out it was uploaded 10 minutes ago and I am even more excited!
The subway shooting scene was definitely inspired by Bernie Goetz
And they would make two movies with Electro because Sony is still hoping for their sinister 6 movie
54:52 the story here and the Predator 2 scene were apparently both based on a real life event where a guy gunned down a mugger on the New York subway.
After a long week of watching back issues, time for more back issues.
23:49 Mr. Spider-man, I don’t feel so good.
Back Issues never shines brighter, than when Sal is talking Spider-Man. Love it. Y'all are the best.
Another awesome episode guys! I like watching/listening while I'm doing other work in my Man Cave. This channel means a lot to me and the fact that I get to learn or re-learn information about comics I have read in the past is important to me. Thanks and can't wait for more Spider-Man/Daredevil back issues.
5:20 Welp, that was a quick, dark look into Sal's beliefs, lol.
"Jesus, Spiderman..." sums up this story perfectly - Peter's a dick lol
Thank you so much for covering this story! I love this period of Spider-man and glad it's getting the back issues treatment.
Awesome episode. Been looking forward to this story being told for awhile. Thank you
I really needed this content from you guys today. Work is a slog and the ol’ patience meter is low.
@55:00 That sounds like Bernie Goetz “the subway vigilante” I think this scene is a homage to that. Predator 2 still stole it though.
It was before predator 2
My favorite Spidey Daredevil story was the time Spidey was blinded, and Matt ended up helping him learn to deal with it.
But the shitty part of it was when Spideys own powers started giving him similar abilities to Daredevil, then suddenly, in a rush ending, Peter sight comes back. (and those new blossoming powers are never mentioned again)
"And a signed picture of Nick Fury" - I imagined a shot of Sam Jackson's face sitting on a desk or whatever before remembering this was the 80s. Sigh.
so it's Hasslehoff
I don't see the problem? Why the sigh?
@@Ando1428 Just a commentary on how the MCU affects how I visualize things like this. The sigh is that it is not technically correct - the best kind of correct
@@woodcojb i mean tbf that was also correct in the ultimate universe
Hey the story was great, dipped in to some fantastic writing for Peter, and Matt, and the video was fun and simple, great jobs guys, Merry Christmas!!!!
I’ve never seen this collection for a decent price :(. It’s always $30+.
On a side note, I’m surprised Sal didn’t talk about DeWolf’s story in Ultimate Spider-Man.... sort of gives me hope that Ultimate Spider-Man will return to Back Issues soon!
I’ve been waiting years for you guys to do this one
43:45
Actually, Matt wouldn't need to bother organizing anything, since he can always feel where they are.
Yes! I have been requesting this for a long time! One of the all-time great Spider-Man stories!
30:23 that kind of looks like Tom Holland on the right panel.
Great story. Underrated Spiderman comic
HELLS YES!!!! I’ve been waiting for so long!! One of my favorite spiderman books
Me: *Looks at thumbnail*
Also me: *Tapping thumbnail* "Who!?"
As a Jets fan, I appreciate you guys trashing them. They're terrible.
1:04:57 dammit... Ben does it again
58:22
Well that didn’t last long now did it Matt?
I wish there were more stories like this. After seeing I wish Kindred was Jean
I’m not gonna lie, whenever you guys referenced Jean, I just thought of another Captain Stacy
6:58... was that a rick and morty reference I spy there Sal?
5:15 Merry Christmas, everyone!
I'm always looking for a great story that has Spider-Man and Daredevil teaming up so this sounds right up my alley!
43:45 ben, was that a blind joke?
Fun Fact (maybe), there’s a character called Meredith DeWolf whose a cop in a Ben Reilly/ Gambit crossover
"The Death of Jean DeWolf" always sounds like the recounting of a TTRPG game where the GM threw together a last minute murder mystery, and the guys playing Spider-Man and Dare Devil didnt bother to read their character sheats, tried to solve every problem by punching someone, and couldn't roll higher than a 5 on a D20.😂
Love the content keep it up
This is the type of stuff I NEED to see in mcu spider-man going forward
There can never be too many Predator references in an episode of Back Issues lol
40:39 he name drops the guys daughter!
This is a really really tight story and the only thing that’s like not good is the stupid electro stuff. Like honestly this would be an amazing darker Spider-man story for like a movie
Think I'll pick this one up, looks pretty cool!
Love this story.
That subway scene is stolen from a real life event which the Joker movie stole from Predator 2 which stole that from the Death of Jean DeWolff
Alright, I'm pretty sure the bit with Popchik on the subway is a reference to Bernie Goetz, which was a bit of a big deal in the 80's. Either way, Sin Eater remains one of my favorite Spider-Man villains. He's (mostly) realistic, scary, and he died before it got old (we do not consider his resurrection in Nick Spencer's run canon in this household).
This was the strangest Hill Street Blues/Marvel crossover put to page.
I was sure you were going to mention Bernie Goetz when you brought up the subway scene.
Funny thing is, I feel like if i read the actual comic it wont be as good as the version I just watched on this couch
I did not know about this book. It’s so good.
"I know your faaaaaaace." 😂
"Why would you make TWO movies with Electro in it?" Well dang it's the MCU this time LOL
Just a jets fan, saying "not cool, man"
One of my favorite Spider-Man comics.
Although my favorite Spider-Man story, "If This Be My Destiny", this holds up. Which is your favorite Spider-Man story?
Was this story ever collected in a Spider-Man epic collection and if so what was the volume number? Thanks
The treatment of Jean reminds me a little of when Montoya's boyfriend was killed by the...*sigh*...Clench
great episode
So glad I caught this video, sounds like a really interesting story in the first half, although I think the Sin Eater character would fit in much better with Batman's rogues than he would Spider-Man's. At 1:12:12 with that point I agree that comic Electro isn't main villain film material, he's not one of the more developed members of Spider-Man's rogues and I'm not a fan of them bringing back Jamie Foxx for the role, a fresh new take would have been better suited for a different actor who isn't associated with that crap from 2014.
The character of Electro I think is a great template for an interesting character but so little has been done with him to make him interesting, the idea of this guy who could easily be Spider-Man's most powerful villain instead decides to just rob banks I think is an interesting idea, but Max Dillon needs to have a more fleshed out character background, his character should be more than just 'I have electricity powers and I'm kind of an asshole'. I can't stress enough how much I don't care for the Vulture character in the comics, but the MCU version was incredible with how much more depth there was to him, so maybe we might one day see that treatment for Electro, although at this point I doubt it'll happen.
Question: Why didn't Peter's spider-sense go off when Mr. Popchic was getting beaten? He was literally feet away
He wasn't in danger. Only like MJ or Aunt May in danger can set his sense off it they're close.
Is the Mr.Popchek shooting thing a reference to Bernie Gaetz? Or was that after?
I just discovered this channel. I just watched the Spider-Man vs Wolverine episode where you guys talked about Hobgoblin. Could y'all do the Hobgoblin Saga?
We will someday!
@@comicpop Wow, thanks for replying back.
If you ever talk about Hobgoblin, could you explain what that 'red disk' Hobgoblin has on his right breast of his costume is for?
Thanks again.
@@goldenstatewarriors9418 Oh, thank you so much for your reply.
Sorry, I thought the red disk was had a more prominent meaning.
Tele-vision? what doth be this sorcery
Hell yeah Spidey Back Issues!!
Guys, great review as always. Not sure if you've heard of a book called Huck by Mark Millar & Rafael Albuquerque. I'm sure all of you would dig it & would make a great back issues.
Sin eater should have kamen rider W catchphrase of “Now let’s count up your sins”
Is that an Iron Maiden shirt... that's a Iron Maiden shirt! Nice!
This story was pretty funny in Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History. That whole book is hilarious.
1:54-2:00
6x loop
Merry Christmas population