Fun fact: In the Legion ending, it is heavily implied that the Courier is made the new heir to the title of Caesar, due to Edward having images of the Courier's face minted on coins-- a common method used by the Romans to inform the common people of who their new leader was.
I always like to think that a legion-affiliated Courier is on line to be the true heir to Caesar after Edward's eventual death Always sort of made sense to me
@@faintcry Especially since the real Julius Caesar didn't have legitimate children, but adopted a relative of his as his son based on merit. The person he adopted was Augustus, the person who finalized the transfer from a dying republic into a true empire and was the first true emperor. And it was in fact Augustus who created the Pax Romana, or Roman peace.
I can see the Courier becoming the new Caesar, depending on his build (Caesar would definitely see the value in a high INT/CHA/Speech/Barter character as his successor for example) but I think the most likely outcome is that the Courier would become one of the Frumentarii.
The fact that Picus fought alongside NCR troopers against his own tribesmen - no doubt killing many of them in the process - shows just how dedicated he is to Caesar and the Legion. He is willing to kill his own legionaries so as to not blow his cover and reveal his identity. That is coldblooded commitment. As for unusual roles like explorers, blacksmiths, slavemasters, and others, these are probably equivalent to real-world specialists, although not identical. They specialize in certain fields, indicated by their occupational titles. Also, instructors are obviously equivalent to drill sergeants.
>equivalent to drill sergeants Welcome to The Fort. So, you're the new recruitment... You are out of uniform, legioner! Where is your football gear? Don't have any? You expect me to believe that, profiligate?
I'm glad you recognized Lucius and his Praetorian Guard as equal to Lanius and Vulpes. The biggest question about who takes over after Caesars is always between Vulpes and Lanius, with the obvious assumption that Lanius would come out on top as he controls most of the military, but I think Lucius is not only in the running as well, but the best option. He was Caesar's friend, closest counselor, and both a great military commander and level-headed governor. Perfect middle ground between Vulpes and Lanius.
@@plantainsame2049 A friend and I had the theory that Caesar is actually recruiting the Courier as a potential heir apparent, granted both the Courier's aptitude for getting things done and Caesar's knowledge that he is very unwell. Interesting to think about
They could keep following on from Roman history and form a triumvirate, ruling over a third of the territories each, but then that'd reject the whole "one above all", strongest survives philosophy the Legion has. Lucius is probably the best option to take over, but with Lanius being a borderline mythical figure to the Legion in a similar way to Graham and Caesar, the majority of the faction would likely get behind him. Even if Vulpes and Lucius were to team up against him, well placed spies, elite guards and likely a few groups of legionaries wouldn't stand a chance against a horde of glorified insane tribal worshippers that are more scared of the monster behind them than the enemies ahead. Shame really cus I'd think a Vulpes Legion could be an interesting turn lol
Never said it wouldn't, Lanius as a leader figure is a disaster waiting to happen for everyone involved, but I doubt the average centurion would be willing to argue for the cause of another when the Legate has the whole army scared shitless of him
It's funny when you're talking about how powerful and respected all the higher ranked soldiers and leaders are and they're all just casually drinking Nuka Cola or picking their nose.
There are a few more subgroups/roles. Female slaves seem to be able to become teachers/priestesses and nurses etc. Occupying generally all civilian roles, but what’s interesting is that priestesses specifically will help to indoctrinate newly born legionaries as they are raised. And hitsqauds, forgive me if I’m wrong, don’t tend to look like frumentarii, rather they seem to be a hodge podge of skilled legionaries entrusted fo carry out the will of Caesar directly.
There's nothing in the lore stating that priestesses exist. The only relevant case of it exists on the fandom, but when you check the source of said information, it'll show you something irrelevant entirely. I suggest you take a look.
The thing everyone forgets about Vulpes is that he was only made a Frumentarri because 1. He was able to remain calm in a hectic battle and realize a weakness in the enemy’s formation, and lead his contuberia through the gap without losing control of them in the chaos. 2. His plan actually worked. Caesar likes results. If Vulpes had failed to capture the enemy chieftain, he would have been killed.
I feel he is the embodiment of caesars ideals. Either your crazy enough to get results and win, or you are crazy enough to throw yourself at the enemy knowing that death waits for you either way.
Vulpes is probably the only person in the game that actually intimidated me with his first appearance in Nipton. The whole landscape was hell, people crucified left and right and then this guy with his eyes covered, surrounded by hounds and soldiers, approaches and in a very calm yet sadistic tone talks about how they killed everyone and I'm alive only cuz I have to spread the message of their cruelty. Not even Lanius or Caesar managed to give me the chills like how Vulpes did.
it means "forager" actually, but the meaning was changed with changes in Roman army structure, as responsibilities of frumentarii changed. In imperial Rome it was much closer to "spy", yes.
@@jamesoprey6330 yes, most Latin words have multiple potential meanings. Frumentarius can potentially also mean "grain merchant". I decided against mentioning that, as it didn't feel particularly relevant in this context. Thank you for the specification, though! I wasn't aware of that etymology.
True, but nothing new is learned from it, as Graham simply covered the same exact position that Lanius does in the present, that is, the one of second in command, the highest of the legates.
@@danielsurvivor1372 i mean when talking about Lanius Caesar said: when a centurion or another Legate Fails i send Lanius... it is directly stated in game that other Legates exist, only logical too the legion is go big to have only one general
For the Praetorian Guard at the beginning, I think there’s actually 6 in Caesar’s tent: 2 at the entrance, and 4 at each corner of the center of the tent. Also, there’s one outside of the tent.
Interestingly, Caesar’s Legion’s tribal Allies, like the White Legs, seem to be a part of the Legion while still very autonomous. I’d like a video on how that works.
Iirc the white legs were killing the sorrows and dead horses because they wanted to join caesar. From the wiki: "The White Legs then pursued the refugees into Zion, to finish them off and gain their place at Caesar's side".
@@e2juancruzbarreiro939 As well, Ulysses states that "The White Legs were promised to join the Legion, but it will never happen". Not sure why Caesar is unwilling to accept them in his ranks despite proving themselves capable.
The "amici" were the personal council of the magistates tasked with governing the provinces of the roman empire. The princeps could also rely on his personal circle, the "amici augusti". It can be seen as an informal rank of sort that exist outside the regular structure of the empire, much like the courier is not really part of the legion.
I've always wondered how often the legion hires mercenaries. It'd be cool to have a fallout counterpart to the Romans' Visigoths, even if Caesar should know how detrimental that would be to his nation. He does hire people outside the legion for combat roles, like the courier, and even pays them in gold coins and items forbidden to legionaries. Just another cool aspect of the legion that would've been awesome to see.
Good concept, it would be nice for Cesar to have Auxiliary units just like the Romans did or just hiring mercenaries, doing missions that normally a legionnaire wouldn't do and that would be paid with prohibited items. I liked your concept a lot and it really feels lore-friendly.
We can see Caesar's views of mercenaries shine through in his treatment of the Brotherhood of Steel and the destruction of Camp Searchlight. The short-term gains of using outside forces would have to be balanced against long-term outcomes. If a group cannot be assimilated, it has to be destroyed to maintain Caesar's cultural hegemony. The Legion clearly has no issue with sending legionaries to their certain deaths. Vulpes Inculta knew full well what was being stored in the fire station at Camp Searchlight when legionaries were sent to open the nuclear waste containers. In a society that ruthless and reliant on maintaining it's culture at all costs, why would the Legion need to hire mercs? The Legion is happy to throw enough bodies at a problem until it is gone and by assimilating other tribes, they will have no shortage of those.
THANK YOU!! Edit is for tips for anyone doing a Caesars legion playthrough: 1. If you are liked by Caesar’s legion you can go to Lucius in Caesar’s tent he gives you the Caesar’s legion safe house key. Go there and talk to Veteran Atticus for one of the most OP safe house rewards… semi infinite stealth boys. He gives you 2 of them every 3 days so can just wait and get a load of them off him. 2. If you are doing no stims or med playthrough USE HEALTH POULTICES they are your best friend and heal way more than stimpacks anyways just do honest hearts and LOAD UP on Xander and Broc Flower don’t waste it on making stims or recipes unless you HAVE to! 3. There is a slave girl in the cantina by the fighting pit in Caesar’s inner fort encampment. She can give you 6 free healing powder at a time once every 24 hrs it also helps for heals without stimpacks and especially if your doing a lore playthrough without meds as a legion player. I did a stealth/ melee/ throwing weapon playthrough player that couldn’t use meds or stims so I actually did surprisingly well against quarry junction… with 1-2 stealth boys at night with throwing spears and throwing hatchets/ switching to war club w mods or thermic lance with rushing waters. Eventually when my ‘soldier’ got to a higher level or ‘rank’ in my eyes I started leveling up guns to 50-75 to use shotguns or silenced sniper in a pinch rarely. It was great and makes me wish there wasn’t as much cut legion content but it was super fun with the above tips I had given to me
love the frumentarii, such an interesting role and mission. Their plans are always very ambitious, like what they did to Searchlight and what they plan to do to the monorail. The explorer role is also quite fascinating, like an adventurer of sorts constantly searching for locations to loot and new tribes/civilizations. Also the name of the man in charge slavery office, Marcus Licinius Crassus, is the same name of the Roman consul who was responsible for the blunder at Carrhae in 53 BC
I believe his mistake was so significant that there's a slang term for one who is highly confident in their abilities to perform an action and fails nonetheless: a crass mistake.
Something I think would be cool (if Caesars Legion ever comes back) would be if a Frumentarii actually DID give in to what everybody says about Caesar and him not being a god.. that’d be a cool side quest.
I would really love to see more of the legion. Like legion towns places where there's no war just to see how it is you know and see if there's any differences
We do get a peek into this society from the Legion Trader at the fort, And our good friend Raul who told us his experience in Arizona, before and after legion occupation.
MINUTEMEN and NCR next please. This is already epic haven't even finished. You should do video's on fixing the structure of the factions improving the factions structure but not changing it to say turning ncr into autocratic and legion into democratic structures.
@@matthewjones39 and so is the legion. Just because they are in more of a traditional modern military structure than the legion doesn't make them any less complicated as the Legion. Where do different unit fit in the NCR military structure like Ranger and PA unit, what is known about the NCR airforce and maybe even Navy...etc. Same could be done about the brotherhood since they also have different branch of military for different purpose.
@@spookyengie735 the rangers are basically just the marines they likely dont have planes and boats because of logistical reasons (and what purpose would a navy serve)
Caesars Legion has a lot in common with the Muslim sultanates, especially the early Ottoman Empire (slave soldiers, expansionism, right to prove etc.) which isn't surprising since the Ottomans are a synthesis of the Eastern Roman Empire and nomadic turkic tribes
Yeah I suppose but the Byzantine empire didn't practice much conquering, and also for that reason, did not make the newly conquered people homogenous with the general population.
It's got far more in common with a mongol or other nomadic horde rather than any sustained empire and I doubt it would survive very long after caesar's death. The main legacy of the eastern roman empire to the ottomans was administrative, as was really the main source of roman success, something caesar seems to have little focus on.
@@alisilcox6036 if you play ck3 you know that tribal government can't unlock the primogeniture fascination and thus will be divided into small pieces when the leader dies.
@@ollikoskiniemi6221 yes not to mention the historically strong governance and large territorial integrity and longevity of the caliphates, umayyad, abassid, ottoman which was their other example.. not something I really expect from the legion.
@@poeepee1715 Kind of, I mean, I think fallout 4, and to a limited degree, 76 is better than Fallout 3. But only if you acknowledge Fallout 4 as everything that is not he who shall not be named (Garvey) and Fallout 76 in its current state alone. Also, is it weird that I love New Vegas but have cold feelings towards Fallout 2 despite the fact I also really like Fallout 1?
You called Caesar's Legion nationalist and yet contradicted yourself when you said that Legionaries are slaves. Nationalism is borne from free peoples who share nationhood, customs, culture, language, Caesar's Legion isn't even a nation its a best at confederation of different tribes under Caesar. It hasn't even been one generation since the inception of the Legion so these people still have their culture even if they aren't allowed to express it. His organization is more akin to Atilla's Hunnic Empire than Rome ironically. But overall good video.
You’re right that Caesar’s Legion isn’t Nationalist, it’s explicitly Imperialist, but Ancient Rome at its zenith was comprised of various peoples with varying cultures ranging from Britannia to Assyria that under Italian Hegemony. Thus in that regard I’d say Caesar’s Legion still similar to Rome.
@@zackkilgore528 Superficially Caesar's Legion is Roman, but like I said its nothing more than a confederation united under a strong leader like the Steppe Tribes of old, where when a leader died the Confederation would splinter and another tribe would gain supremacy. That's what will happen to Caesar's Legion eventually. Edit: Caesar's Legion doesn't have the institutions for anyone to say "Yep thats a Roman carbon copy." It all goes back to his Hegelian Dialectics argument. Thats why Caesar wants to conquer the NCR. Caesar needs the NCR's republican institutions paradoxically for his regime to become a nation as opposed to a Romaboo horde of Tribals.
@@sebastianprimomija8375 I'm not sure I agree with your assessment about the Legion being a confederation. Confederations usually happen in order to allow tribal chiefs autonomous authority, while creating a stronger whole by having them swear allegiance to their confereration's ruler. In other words, the chiefs maintain sweeping powers in their tribe's internal matters. The Kingdom of Scythia was a good example of this kind of structure. The Legion doesn't do this: instead, it goes out of its way to stamp out the cultural identity of the tribes it assimilates. A few, like the Hangdogs, bring specialised talents that the Legion deems worth perpetuating, but there's no indication that the assimilated tribes still have chieftains, much less that these cheiftains possess any degree of autonomy. I agree that the Legion is likely to suffer a succession crisis upon Caesar's death, but it's for the same reason that Rome was prone to civil wars: the Imperator's authority ultimately derived from his control of Rome's armies, rather than being based on any kind of constitutional ground. Likewise, Caesar's authority is built upon his cult of personality; any successor would have to accomplish the same, to achieve not merely the obedience of the troops, but their veneration - or risk being toppled by an ambitious and popular subordinate.
You are confusing nationhood with an ethnostate. The Legion is clearly nationalist for its centrality of Fatherland. However, it is true that the Legion is only just metamorphosing into a nation, for the proper State is One, Great, and Free (this last one has to do with the nation, not the citizenry). The Legion is for the most part One, but there is still internal division to be solved. The Legion is not quite Great, though it enjoys Imperial power, absolute and indivisible. Part of Caesar's goal is making it Great. However, the Legion is Free, dominated by no foreign powers, especially if you the player deal with the Boomers.
Spot on they're a mobile horde whose administration extends to demanding submission, auxiliaries and passage for trade. They will collapse on their leaders death and will never harness any of that territory (until they change entirely).
I'm so happy for being early. Also isn't it just sublime that Caesar's legion has started pronouncing his name the correct way again? That little fix single handedly justifies the slaughter and subjugation of the little profligates pfff... "Seezar's legion" hang 'em high and let 'em dry (༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ)
love this vid, though i would say that its likely that the instructors work with the Legion Priestesses, though they are not strictly military based its clear that they would work with the instructors as one mentally prepares children in the legion while the other prepares them physically to serve the Legion.
Forever wishing there was a counterpart to Boone, a true Legionnaire companion. Maybe as a favor, Caesar would be willing to allow a recruit Legionary to join you in your adventures, refusing to use Stimpaks as a traditional companion would instead using healing powder. Not only that, but attacking NCR troops on sight and basically anyone who's an enemy of the Legion, meaning the vast majority of the map. It would be a difficult companion, but a great one.
@@bloodmoonangel8925 There was one, Ulysses, sadly he was ripped out and put into Lonesome Road, it's a shame really because he could told the player so much.
People can say what they want about Caesar's Legion, rightfully so, but no one can deny that all around it is an incredibly hard and disciplined society that produces some of the toughest people in the wasteland. One of the main arguments favoring the siding with this faction is that it will inevitably grow into a hard, but strong society that would be capable of unifying the wastes in a lasting era of peace and stability. Yes, it would eventually fall, like Rome, but would last a hell of allot longer than the NCR would. Judging by the corruption displayed in game, who's to say the NCR would still even be a faction 10 years down the road. The Mojave eould definitely quicken that fall, where the Legion would feel right at home in the harsh elements.
Theres a official cut content role that was seen in the nightmare fuel of that frontier mod. Which was Legionary members using vehicles to create some form of chariot similar to the one from the Roman era but with engines and wheels and not a house.
I’m looking forward to the military hierarchy of the NCR the different branches and how this has helped them succeed in an attempt to emulate Pre-War America. You bring a nuance idea and that would be no exception as the flaws of an American military in a post apocalyptic wasteland would be interesting to analyze. We already see the two differing militaries clash in the Mojave so this video essay is a great idea.
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11:47 I don't know if there is any evidence to the contrary in New Vegas, but historically Decanii were of the Contubernium, meaning they were selected from the squad they would lead. This would historically be a position they were elected to by the other members of the Contubernium, however I imagine it would likely be different in the Legion.
these vids are all super well done, the scripts are impeccably written, you don't repeat the same couple of filler words or phrases every paragraph like most people do in video essays (and regular essays, it's just more noticeable when read out loud). in fact you use very few filler words in general, everything you say has a purpose and provides information. if i was your TA you'd get an A on every paper lol
I find it interesting how the three families that run New Vegas (House notwithstanding) are based on what people 200 years after an apocalypse think the mafia was like when the Legion structure really is based on the mafia.
It's weird to see just how many elements of Roman history were used to create the Legion. The arrangement of legionaries into recruits, veterans and primes seems to more closely follow the manipular Roman legion designations of hastati, principes and triarii while the Praetorian guard were (obviously) something that existed long after the real Caesar's assassination. I wonder how much more he could have done with the promise of farmland for old warriors. I could imagine that is how the Legion founds settlements that provide for it in terms of manpower, resources and such. Or maybe I'm just overthinking this, I don't know.
I always treat them as it should be: -Caesar with a knife. -Preatorian with pushy, minigun, gatlin gun, medicine stick, mounted shoulder machinegun, chainsaw, blade of the west, alien blaster , a light Shining in darkness and María. -Legatus with an Anti materiel rifle with no need to talk to him. -Vulpes with Red Glare with high explosive rockets or Fat man with any nuke when he gets out of the building in nipton. -Everyone else, I let Boone deal with them with Paciencia.
It's a huge, HUGE missed Opportunity not to call Explorers "Velites." Historically, these are light screening forces meant to act as a vanguard and screening force to the main body of Legionnaires. It is a shame Explorers aren't called Velites. It's also a shame that we don't see power armored legionnaires, cause they can be used to reference "Catapharctarii" Super heavy shock cavalry of the Empire, which is perfect to call Power armor wearing Legionnaires. And hey, who says we can't have "Socii" as well? Allied settlements provide the Legion with specialized ranged units. So imagine like, "Socii Sagitarii" as Legion Socii snipers.
@@seronymus No, they were around for some time. They saw an explosion in use during the later stages of the Empire such as late Roman army post Diocletian reforms and even during the Crisis of the 3rd Century. The Romans have had much contact with the Cataphractarii of the eastern Empires and, as the Romans did, they adapted them over the centuries as a means to counter them. To the point that late Roman Cavalry by the time of the Late empire was considered some of the most elite in the military.
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The problem with the Legion is that there isn't really a unifying history, culture, or vision. They might be compared by some to the Greeks under Alexander, or the Mongols under Genghis Khan, but the Greeks and Mongols had those things in spades; they'd grown up in the same land and with the same culture that produced their great founding hero. They could, if not match his brilliance, at least comprehend it. Alexander and Genghis Khan may not have had one singular successor ruling a singular empire, but they *did* have successors, and the Greeks and Mongols ruled the lands conquered by Alexander and Genghis for centuries. But the Legion is just a bunch of crap some arrogant outsider has imposed on them; they don't have any real understanding of it that goes beyond "It is Caesar's will" or "Caesar says this is bad." Caesar has deliberately failed to cultivate this, because he's a power-hungry dictator. He wants absolute obedience, not understanding. He wants fawning worshipers, not educated successors.
Caesar recognizes this, and pursues two things: a Rome (a location in which Legion culture can develop and understand as the "us" of the group), and a Carthage (a group to serve as the "them" to establish what the Legion is working against.) Rome is Vegas, and the NCR, for now, is Carthage. Unfortunately, if Caesar ends up conquering California, he'll need to replace the NCR with the Brotherhood, as they're the only similarly sized group who are ideologically opposed and militarily powerful enough to take this role, but the switch may hurt. Finally, he wants to "cannibalize" the values of the NCR in order to create a super society with the benefits of both. In Caesar's eyes, the defining factor of the Legion is it's Utilitarianism, which betrays all other aspects; the Legion despises technological dependency, yet will use technology when needed. It sees women are taking a caretaking and maintenance role in society, but is willing to work with a female courier (even make her leader if you believe Caesar is making you a protege), etc. Caesar believes that the Legion, when it has these things, will simply reshape itself as many times as need be in order to become whatever is needed at the time. But until he has these two things, the Legion is little more than a warlord's band of tribals; like the Mongols, as you said, and will collapse without him.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Because Rome wasn't built in a day 😎 In all seriousness, it's because he actually needs a cultural lynchpin to create a unified culture beyond "follow me"
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Pretty much all major US cities were nuked in to oblivion. Mr House's private defences shielded Vegas from the worst of the damage, and is probably one of the most built up cities left in the continental US- a fitting capital
So is a veteran legionare higher up the ladder than a base decanus? I don’t get how if the decanus leads 8 men, and there are tons and tons of recruit legionaries, how are there enough decani? Do only the prime and veteran legionaries get a decanus to lead them?
I'd assume they're divided into their own Conturbernia, a Recruit Decanus leads Recruit Legionaries, Prime Decanus leads Prime Legionaries, etc. It's only when they're in raiding or skirmishing parties they mismash the Legion ranks
@@taxult that’s what I thought but does a recruit decanus rank higher than a prime or veteran legionary? Or is recruit decanus the next step up from veteran legionary
I didn’t realize until now that the bill of sale we find in Jeannie’s safe is actually the only document that references a Consul in Caesar’s Legion. A little history: Consuls were the equivalent of the President of a country. They were (typically) elected by the people in pairs of two, and would work on and off as the head of state. When one of the Consuls was in power, this is referred to as the Consul “holding Fasces.” The Consul not in power is considered a “Co-Consul,” the equivalent (in name and some function) of a Vice President. Co-Consuls often times had the first say in debates over a bill in the Roman Senate, after the Consul holding fasces at the time is done speaking. If the two consuls were opposed politically, this means either one could filibuster the bill, essentially making it dead on arrival. Consuls are unique in that they also have the power to raise and command Legions for Military operations. And while this could mean that Consuls were more powerful than the Senate, they needed to maintain favor with the Senate and therefore the people for their own future gains economically and politically. However, there are two means by which a Consul could wield absolute authority without the Senate. One of these is if the Senate passed the “Senatus Consultum Ultimum,” or “The Final Act.” This act, by definition, empowers the consuls with unbridled authority, essentially making them above Roman Law. They could literally kill many Romans, and they wouldn’t feel the actual punishment for the crime… unless the punishment was no more political gains, which was definitely the consequence there. The Senate could also make a Roman Consul into a “Dictator.” We give that word some negative connotations now, but to the Roman’s, it was an honor to be named dictator. Again, unbridled authority, but this time it has a time limit (unless you’re Caesar 😂) of Six Months. 6. VI. After that, they must step down from Dictator. Both of these powers were only used in the most desperate of times, though, which was usually in wartime (again, unless you’re Caesar 😂).
Do you think we could get a video similar to this one for the NCR? I want to know if each squad carried the same equipment or did they divide weapon load outs on a per man basis (riflemen, mortarmen, machine gunner, etc etc)
About the frumentaari, centurions, and praetorians I think that at some point they just don't care that what Caesar says is true or not. They follow him out of sheer loyalty for what he has done and just play along. Vulpes and Lucious 100% know he's not a God but believe in their minds that what he's doing for the Wasteland justifies it. In that sense, they really DO worship Caesar.
Personality cults can crop up over a very short period of time. Look at people like some political figures, religious extremists and to a certain extent, famous celebrities. In Caesar's case, he was captured by a tribe which was losing a war. In no time at all, he used his knowledge of history and technology to transform the tribe from a small, desperate group into a disciplined, drilled force that had grown by conquering the region it occupied. The man may not be a literal god to those closest to him but to those further down, he may as well be one.
Praetorians are actually not considered the toughest the legion has to offer. According to Chief Hanlon they are capable enough to qualify as a centurion as a rule but they are selected for due to their loyalty to Caesar, not explicitly because they are the best the legion has to offer in combat ability.
I love this, honestly wish they did more with the leagion, seems like they are hated by most companions, or don't have many fans. Does some of the gameplay recorded have mods on for texture, and then doesn't?
i love the theory of legate lanius being multiple people, so each time one dies a new legate becomes "lanius" and the monster of the east. it makes sense since the guy you meet in fnv doesn't seem as brutal and "veteran" as you'd expect someone who conquered entire states of the pre-war us.
lanius literally speaks of his conquests in denver, not to mention you dont find 7ft tall generals who are able to don heavy armor and cleave brahmin in half
My main take-away is that the only reason the legion still exists at all is because of how insanely competent the frumentarii are. Without their intelligence gathering, planning and campaigns of terror the legion is essentially just a horde of half naked dumbasses charging into machinegun fire weilding big knives
Did anybody else click on this video and think it was actual history for a bit? I couldn’t see the screen because I was listening and I didn’t notice for a minute or two
Fun fact: In the Legion ending, it is heavily implied that the Courier is made the new heir to the title of Caesar, due to Edward having images of the Courier's face minted on coins-- a common method used by the Romans to inform the common people of who their new leader was.
I always like to think that a legion-affiliated Courier is on line to be the true heir to Caesar after Edward's eventual death
Always sort of made sense to me
@@faintcry Especially since the real Julius Caesar didn't have legitimate children, but adopted a relative of his as his son based on merit. The person he adopted was Augustus, the person who finalized the transfer from a dying republic into a true empire and was the first true emperor. And it was in fact Augustus who created the Pax Romana, or Roman peace.
I can see the Courier becoming the new Caesar, depending on his build (Caesar would definitely see the value in a high INT/CHA/Speech/Barter character as his successor for example) but I think the most likely outcome is that the Courier would become one of the Frumentarii.
@@seamusthatsthedog4819 maybe the next in line to be Legate.
Not to mention the fact he discloses every last part of the Legion's building blocks, plans, organization, and his own issues
yaboiii: "i promise this is the last time i will go in-depth about the legion"
yaboiii, after drinking cass' moonshine:
HAHAHA
The fact that Picus fought alongside NCR troopers against his own tribesmen - no doubt killing many of them in the process - shows just how dedicated he is to Caesar and the Legion. He is willing to kill his own legionaries so as to not blow his cover and reveal his identity. That is coldblooded commitment.
As for unusual roles like explorers, blacksmiths, slavemasters, and others, these are probably equivalent to real-world specialists, although not identical. They specialize in certain fields, indicated by their occupational titles. Also, instructors are obviously equivalent to drill sergeants.
>equivalent to drill sergeants
Welcome to The Fort. So, you're the new recruitment... You are out of uniform, legioner! Where is your football gear? Don't have any? You expect me to believe that, profiligate?
You do find that there is an administration of slavery affairs from the bill of sale from the proprietress of Novac.
@@klayly "Where's your battle buddy at legioner!? The enemy singles out the individual, and attacks! Safety in numbers!!!"
@@iateseveralpoundsofsemtex1577 you just got power fisted because you DON'T HAVE A BATTLE BUDDY!!!!!
@@klayly lol I read that in his voice
I'm glad you recognized Lucius and his Praetorian Guard as equal to Lanius and Vulpes. The biggest question about who takes over after Caesars is always between Vulpes and Lanius, with the obvious assumption that Lanius would come out on top as he controls most of the military, but I think Lucius is not only in the running as well, but the best option. He was Caesar's friend, closest counselor, and both a great military commander and level-headed governor. Perfect middle ground between Vulpes and Lanius.
There's also a legionary courier Maybe as they are big part in winning Hoover Dam
@@plantainsame2049 A friend and I had the theory that Caesar is actually recruiting the Courier as a potential heir apparent, granted both the Courier's aptitude for getting things done and Caesar's knowledge that he is very unwell. Interesting to think about
They could keep following on from Roman history and form a triumvirate, ruling over a third of the territories each, but then that'd reject the whole "one above all", strongest survives philosophy the Legion has. Lucius is probably the best option to take over, but with Lanius being a borderline mythical figure to the Legion in a similar way to Graham and Caesar, the majority of the faction would likely get behind him. Even if Vulpes and Lucius were to team up against him, well placed spies, elite guards and likely a few groups of legionaries wouldn't stand a chance against a horde of glorified insane tribal worshippers that are more scared of the monster behind them than the enemies ahead.
Shame really cus I'd think a Vulpes Legion could be an interesting turn lol
Lanius is an insane brute. His leadership would lead to the legion falling in on itself quickly.
Never said it wouldn't, Lanius as a leader figure is a disaster waiting to happen for everyone involved, but I doubt the average centurion would be willing to argue for the cause of another when the Legate has the whole army scared shitless of him
It's funny when you're talking about how powerful and respected all the higher ranked soldiers and leaders are and they're all just casually drinking Nuka Cola or picking their nose.
About as accurate as how the Higher Echelons in the Roman Leigon would behave, drinking wine and lounging about
I mean, they're still human.
Just like the pre-war US military in the fallout lore?
There are a few more subgroups/roles.
Female slaves seem to be able to become teachers/priestesses and nurses etc. Occupying generally all civilian roles, but what’s interesting is that priestesses specifically will help to indoctrinate newly born legionaries as they are raised.
And hitsqauds, forgive me if I’m wrong, don’t tend to look like frumentarii, rather they seem to be a hodge podge of skilled legionaries entrusted fo carry out the will of Caesar directly.
There's nothing in the lore stating that priestesses exist. The only relevant case of it exists on the fandom, but when you check the source of said information, it'll show you something irrelevant entirely. I suggest you take a look.
@@uberspessmann9604 I looked and it links to the game guide. How is that not relevant?
@@uberspessmann9604 Lol dude called the game guide irrelevant
@@uberspessmann9604 dum dum
@@locomotivefaox Can you quote the section of the "source" that mentions priestesses (spoiler: it doesn't)
The thing everyone forgets about Vulpes is that he was only made a Frumentarri because 1. He was able to remain calm in a hectic battle and realize a weakness in the enemy’s formation, and lead his contuberia through the gap without losing control of them in the chaos. 2. His plan actually worked. Caesar likes results. If Vulpes had failed to capture the enemy chieftain, he would have been killed.
I kill him in Nipton every time anyways, fuck Caesar and his legion of bootlicking degenerates
I feel he is the embodiment of caesars ideals. Either your crazy enough to get results and win, or you are crazy enough to throw yourself at the enemy knowing that death waits for you either way.
Vulpes is probably the only person in the game that actually intimidated me with his first appearance in Nipton. The whole landscape was hell, people crucified left and right and then this guy with his eyes covered, surrounded by hounds and soldiers, approaches and in a very calm yet sadistic tone talks about how they killed everyone and I'm alive only cuz I have to spread the message of their cruelty. Not even Lanius or Caesar managed to give me the chills like how Vulpes did.
Please do the republic of Dave military and political hierarchy
Hierarchy:
DAVE
There is Dave, and Dave, keep in mind that Dave is there too.
Dave is the State itself too.
Dave, then Bob who is in charge of the Army of Dave, the most ruthless military In the wasteland.
Dave: I am the State
Small sidenote: Frumentarii is a plural form, the singular of which is Frumentarius, meaning "spy" or "secret agent" in Latin.
it means "forager" actually, but the meaning was changed with changes in Roman army structure, as responsibilities of frumentarii changed. In imperial Rome it was much closer to "spy", yes.
@@jamesoprey6330 yes, most Latin words have multiple potential meanings. Frumentarius can potentially also mean "grain merchant". I decided against mentioning that, as it didn't feel particularly relevant in this context. Thank you for the specification, though! I wasn't aware of that etymology.
@@tsarium3454 that was sexy
@@tsarium3454 sexy
@@tsarium3454there are stories of grain farmers spying upon those near and relaying the information…
We do see one other legate in the game (at least), though he is no longer under the Caesar's employ. The Malpais Legate Joshua Graham.
True, but nothing new is learned from it, as Graham simply covered the same exact position that Lanius does in the present, that is, the one of second in command, the highest of the legates.
Joshua Graham only confirms what is already well established.
It only makes it special because it's him.
It doesn't explain if other Lefates exists since he served same role as Lanius being the primary general of the army
@@danielsurvivor1372 i mean when talking about Lanius Caesar said: when a centurion or another Legate Fails i send Lanius... it is directly stated in game that other Legates exist, only logical too the legion is go big to have only one general
For the Praetorian Guard at the beginning, I think there’s actually 6 in Caesar’s tent: 2 at the entrance, and 4 at each corner of the center of the tent. Also, there’s one outside of the tent.
Don’t forget the 4 inside the weather station.
And the multiple that Lanius has at the end.
@@themysticautistic5449 he accounted for those.
Interestingly, Caesar’s Legion’s tribal Allies, like the White Legs, seem to be a part of the Legion while still very autonomous. I’d like a video on how that works.
I’ve also heard somewhere that the Navajo have this same privilege, but I cannot guarantee the reputability of this source as I cannot find it.
Iirc the white legs were killing the sorrows and dead horses because they wanted to join caesar.
From the wiki: "The White Legs then pursued the refugees into Zion, to finish them off and gain their place at Caesar's side".
@@e2juancruzbarreiro939 As well, Ulysses states that "The White Legs were promised to join the Legion, but it will never happen". Not sure why Caesar is unwilling to accept them in his ranks despite proving themselves capable.
@@bloodmoonangel8925 Probably because they were too big to be easily assimilated or something.
@@rance2799 Or because they followed Ulysses himself more than the Legion, and also, using the braids of the Twisted Hairs does not help
I guess Amicus could also be a rank, because The Courier is seen as a good ally for the legion and respected if he/she is idolized by the legion
Amicus means friend in Latin
It's not a rank but they consider you an ally
The "amici" were the personal council of the magistates tasked with governing the provinces of the roman empire.
The princeps could also rely on his personal circle, the "amici augusti".
It can be seen as an informal rank of sort that exist outside the regular structure of the empire, much like the courier is not really part of the legion.
I've always wondered how often the legion hires mercenaries. It'd be cool to have a fallout counterpart to the Romans' Visigoths, even if Caesar should know how detrimental that would be to his nation. He does hire people outside the legion for combat roles, like the courier, and even pays them in gold coins and items forbidden to legionaries. Just another cool aspect of the legion that would've been awesome to see.
Wouldn’t the white legs fill this role?
@@DarthCidic No, not exactly. Caesar never pays them, merely allies them as a foreign tribe that wants to join the legion, but never does/will.
Good concept, it would be nice for Cesar to have Auxiliary units just like the Romans did or just hiring mercenaries, doing missions that normally a legionnaire wouldn't do and that would be paid with prohibited items. I liked your concept a lot and it really feels lore-friendly.
@@beepbop6542 the legion would've assimilated in the end had they not of been defeated by the courier and Joshua in honest hearts
We can see Caesar's views of mercenaries shine through in his treatment of the Brotherhood of Steel and the destruction of Camp Searchlight. The short-term gains of using outside forces would have to be balanced against long-term outcomes. If a group cannot be assimilated, it has to be destroyed to maintain Caesar's cultural hegemony.
The Legion clearly has no issue with sending legionaries to their certain deaths. Vulpes Inculta knew full well what was being stored in the fire station at Camp Searchlight when legionaries were sent to open the nuclear waste containers. In a society that ruthless and reliant on maintaining it's culture at all costs, why would the Legion need to hire mercs? The Legion is happy to throw enough bodies at a problem until it is gone and by assimilating other tribes, they will have no shortage of those.
THANK YOU!!
Edit is for tips for anyone doing a Caesars legion playthrough:
1. If you are liked by Caesar’s legion you can go to Lucius in Caesar’s tent he gives you the Caesar’s legion safe house key. Go there and talk to Veteran Atticus for one of the most OP safe house rewards… semi infinite stealth boys. He gives you 2 of them every 3 days so can just wait and get a load of them off him.
2. If you are doing no stims or med playthrough USE HEALTH POULTICES they are your best friend and heal way more than stimpacks anyways just do honest hearts and LOAD UP on Xander and Broc Flower don’t waste it on making stims or recipes unless you HAVE to!
3. There is a slave girl in the cantina by the fighting pit in Caesar’s inner fort encampment. She can give you 6 free healing powder at a time once every 24 hrs it also helps for heals without stimpacks and especially if your doing a lore playthrough without meds as a legion player.
I did a stealth/ melee/ throwing weapon playthrough player that couldn’t use meds or stims so I actually did surprisingly well against quarry junction… with 1-2 stealth boys at night with throwing spears and throwing hatchets/ switching to war club w mods or thermic lance with rushing waters. Eventually when my ‘soldier’ got to a higher level or ‘rank’ in my eyes I started leveling up guns to 50-75 to use shotguns or silenced sniper in a pinch rarely. It was great and makes me wish there wasn’t as much cut legion content but it was super fun with the above tips I had given to me
love the frumentarii, such an interesting role and mission. Their plans are always very ambitious, like what they did to Searchlight and what they plan to do to the monorail. The explorer role is also quite fascinating, like an adventurer of sorts constantly searching for locations to loot and new tribes/civilizations. Also the name of the man in charge slavery office, Marcus Licinius Crassus, is the same name of the Roman consul who was responsible for the blunder at Carrhae in 53 BC
I believe his mistake was so significant that there's a slang term for one who is highly confident in their abilities to perform an action and fails nonetheless: a crass mistake.
Something I think would be cool (if Caesars Legion ever comes back) would be if a Frumentarii actually DID give in to what everybody says about Caesar and him not being a god.. that’d be a cool side quest.
Ulysses
I would really love to see more of the legion. Like legion towns places where there's no war just to see how it is you know and see if there's any differences
And new stuff of course
We do get a peek into this society from the Legion Trader at the fort,
And our good friend Raul who told us his experience in Arizona, before and after legion occupation.
MINUTEMEN and NCR next please.
This is already epic haven't even finished.
You should do video's on fixing the structure of the factions improving the factions structure but not changing it to say turning ncr into autocratic and legion into democratic structures.
Minutemen are boring and weak
The NCR is literally just the military
@@matthewjones39 and so is the legion. Just because they are in more of a traditional modern military structure than the legion doesn't make them any less complicated as the Legion.
Where do different unit fit in the NCR military structure like Ranger and PA unit, what is known about the NCR airforce and maybe even Navy...etc.
Same could be done about the brotherhood since they also have different branch of military for different purpose.
@@spookyengie735 the rangers are basically just the marines
they likely dont have planes and boats because of logistical reasons (and what purpose would a navy serve)
@@weezerbluealbum9402 control of rivers.
Caesars Legion has a lot in common with the Muslim sultanates, especially the early Ottoman Empire (slave soldiers, expansionism, right to prove etc.) which isn't surprising since the Ottomans are a synthesis of the Eastern Roman Empire and nomadic turkic tribes
slave soldiers was only a thing past the taking of istanbul and expansion into eastern europe, 200+ years into the empire
Yeah I suppose but the Byzantine empire didn't practice much conquering, and also for that reason, did not make the newly conquered people homogenous with the general population.
It's got far more in common with a mongol or other nomadic horde rather than any sustained empire and I doubt it would survive very long after caesar's death.
The main legacy of the eastern roman empire to the ottomans was administrative, as was really the main source of roman success, something caesar seems to have little focus on.
@@alisilcox6036 if you play ck3 you know that tribal government can't unlock the primogeniture fascination and thus will be divided into small pieces when the leader dies.
@@ollikoskiniemi6221 yes not to mention the historically strong governance and large territorial integrity and longevity of the caliphates, umayyad, abassid, ottoman which was their other example.. not something I really expect from the legion.
I'm glad to see you doing this and hope you make it a series for all the major factions
I second this! Hopefully that's enough lol
Yep
@@poeepee1715 no
@@poeepee1715 Kind of, I mean, I think fallout 4, and to a limited degree, 76 is better than Fallout 3. But only if you acknowledge Fallout 4 as everything that is not he who shall not be named (Garvey) and Fallout 76 in its current state alone.
Also, is it weird that I love New Vegas but have cold feelings towards Fallout 2 despite the fact I also really like Fallout 1?
@@poeepee1715 I'm glad you got it
I 100% need a breakdown of the NCR military now, enjoy this sub
ANOTHER 20 MINUTES VIDEO OF THE LEGION? LETS FUCKING GO
The fact that this vid has so many views, in 2022, in less than 10 days after it was first released, proves how strong the fnv community is
Woah Caesar needs me? Ok... I'll do it, I'm going to bat for you Caesar, I've got your back Caesar.
You called Caesar's Legion nationalist and yet contradicted yourself when you said that Legionaries are slaves. Nationalism is borne from free peoples who share nationhood, customs, culture, language, Caesar's Legion isn't even a nation its a best at confederation of different tribes under Caesar. It hasn't even been one generation since the inception of the Legion so these people still have their culture even if they aren't allowed to express it. His organization is more akin to Atilla's Hunnic Empire than Rome ironically.
But overall good video.
You’re right that Caesar’s Legion isn’t Nationalist, it’s explicitly Imperialist, but Ancient Rome at its zenith was comprised of various peoples with varying cultures ranging from Britannia to Assyria that under Italian Hegemony. Thus in that regard I’d say Caesar’s Legion still similar to Rome.
@@zackkilgore528 Superficially Caesar's Legion is Roman, but like I said its nothing more than a confederation united under a strong leader like the Steppe Tribes of old, where when a leader died the Confederation would splinter and another tribe would gain supremacy. That's what will happen to Caesar's Legion eventually.
Edit: Caesar's Legion doesn't have the institutions for anyone to say "Yep thats a Roman carbon copy." It all goes back to his Hegelian Dialectics argument. Thats why Caesar wants to conquer the NCR. Caesar needs the NCR's republican institutions paradoxically for his regime to become a nation as opposed to a Romaboo horde of Tribals.
@@sebastianprimomija8375 I'm not sure I agree with your assessment about the Legion being a confederation. Confederations usually happen in order to allow tribal chiefs autonomous authority, while creating a stronger whole by having them swear allegiance to their confereration's ruler. In other words, the chiefs maintain sweeping powers in their tribe's internal matters. The Kingdom of Scythia was a good example of this kind of structure.
The Legion doesn't do this: instead, it goes out of its way to stamp out the cultural identity of the tribes it assimilates. A few, like the Hangdogs, bring specialised talents that the Legion deems worth perpetuating, but there's no indication that the assimilated tribes still have chieftains, much less that these cheiftains possess any degree of autonomy.
I agree that the Legion is likely to suffer a succession crisis upon Caesar's death, but it's for the same reason that Rome was prone to civil wars: the Imperator's authority ultimately derived from his control of Rome's armies, rather than being based on any kind of constitutional ground. Likewise, Caesar's authority is built upon his cult of personality; any successor would have to accomplish the same, to achieve not merely the obedience of the troops, but their veneration - or risk being toppled by an ambitious and popular subordinate.
You are confusing nationhood with an ethnostate. The Legion is clearly nationalist for its centrality of Fatherland.
However, it is true that the Legion is only just metamorphosing into a nation, for the proper State is One, Great, and Free (this last one has to do with the nation, not the citizenry). The Legion is for the most part One, but there is still internal division to be solved. The Legion is not quite Great, though it enjoys Imperial power, absolute and indivisible. Part of Caesar's goal is making it Great. However, the Legion is Free, dominated by no foreign powers, especially if you the player deal with the Boomers.
2:10 "Survived every battle" Yes, I would assume dead bodies aren't the best guards.
Imagine some history teacher clicking on this video, thinking it refers to the legit Caesar's legions.
caesars legion has the aesthetic of the romans, but on a governmental and political level its more like the mongolian horde.
Spot on they're a mobile horde whose administration extends to demanding submission, auxiliaries and passage for trade. They will collapse on their leaders death and will never harness any of that territory (until they change entirely).
Caesar’s legion content let’s go!
I'm so happy for being early. Also isn't it just sublime that Caesar's legion has started pronouncing his name the correct way again? That little fix single handedly justifies the slaughter and subjugation of the little profligates pfff... "Seezar's legion" hang 'em high and let 'em dry (༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ)
It took me 45 seconds to realize this wasn't a history video.
love this vid, though i would say that its likely that the instructors work with the Legion Priestesses, though they are not strictly military based its clear that they would work with the instructors as one mentally prepares children in the legion while the other prepares them physically to serve the Legion.
Me watching this is I can hate the legion more effectively: 🗿
This is really interesting I never could tell the hierarchy of military of the legion besides the Fumatarii and legate and the praetorians
I really wish they'd had time to give the Legion more depth, a fascinating faction that came across as no more than generic bad guys in game.
They originally had concepts of giving them greyer shade rather than black.
Forever wishing there was a counterpart to Boone, a true Legionnaire companion. Maybe as a favor, Caesar would be willing to allow a recruit Legionary to join you in your adventures, refusing to use Stimpaks as a traditional companion would instead using healing powder. Not only that, but attacking NCR troops on sight and basically anyone who's an enemy of the Legion, meaning the vast majority of the map. It would be a difficult companion, but a great one.
@@bloodmoonangel8925 There was one, Ulysses, sadly he was ripped out and put into Lonesome Road, it's a shame really because he could told the player so much.
@@bloodmoonangel8925 There's a companion mod of Vulpes that let's you order him to switch between his Legion garbs or black suit for infiltration.he
@@JimUK they could have left him in the main story considering we still have reference of him still
People can say what they want about Caesar's Legion, rightfully so, but no one can deny that all around it is an incredibly hard and disciplined society that produces some of the toughest people in the wasteland. One of the main arguments favoring the siding with this faction is that it will inevitably grow into a hard, but strong society that would be capable of unifying the wastes in a lasting era of peace and stability. Yes, it would eventually fall, like Rome, but would last a hell of allot longer than the NCR would. Judging by the corruption displayed in game, who's to say the NCR would still even be a faction 10 years down the road. The Mojave eould definitely quicken that fall, where the Legion would feel right at home in the harsh elements.
Theres a official cut content role that was seen in the nightmare fuel of that frontier mod.
Which was Legionary members using vehicles to create some form of chariot similar to the one from the Roman era but with engines and wheels and not a house.
I’m looking forward to the military hierarchy of the NCR the different branches and how this has helped them succeed in an attempt to emulate Pre-War America. You bring a nuance idea and that would be no exception as the flaws of an American military in a post apocalyptic wasteland would be interesting to analyze.
We already see the two differing militaries clash in the Mojave so this video essay is a great idea.
in my opinion, NCR Army was made for some Pre war Us army remenant in the begining, the whole core.
i just found this channel and it has really good content... but i’m torn. why? because i really, *really* hate the phrase “ya boi”.... actually it’s mostly just spelling the word “boy” with an “i”. i don’t know why it bothers me, it just does 🤷♂️. even if the name is most likely a bit facetious (cuz you really don’t seem like someone who says things like “YO YO YO! what’s up peeps? it’s ya boi here, about to drop some dope fallout facts on you!”), it’s still there. . . . .
staring at me.
itz ya boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wat wat wat!?!?😬 😅
Truthfully I agree. It’s just hit a point where it’s too late to change it hahah.
11:47 I don't know if there is any evidence to the contrary in New Vegas, but historically Decanii were of the Contubernium, meaning they were selected from the squad they would lead. This would historically be a position they were elected to by the other members of the Contubernium, however I imagine it would likely be different in the Legion.
I've been waiting for a video like this, good explanation
All of these guys are dead in my games
Cuck
For the best faction in all fallout it has to have the best army. Which it does.
True to Caesar
Ave
Lies.
The best are the robo scorpions on Big MT.
Ave, true to Mobius
15:30 I just noticed that there is a female ncr trooper on the table with her legs wide open. I've never noticed that in game
these vids are all super well done, the scripts are impeccably written, you don't repeat the same couple of filler words or phrases every paragraph like most people do in video essays (and regular essays, it's just more noticeable when read out loud). in fact you use very few filler words in general, everything you say has a purpose and provides information. if i was your TA you'd get an A on every paper lol
The Military Hierarchy of The Enclave. Just search up the Command structure of the Federal government of the United States of America.
I find it interesting how the three families that run New Vegas (House notwithstanding) are based on what people 200 years after an apocalypse think the mafia was like when the Legion structure really is based on the mafia.
Do a video on one of, if not the most, powerful of the Mojave's Tribes... The Boomers. 💥 Even Caesar has a hard time with these guys.
It's weird to see just how many elements of Roman history were used to create the Legion. The arrangement of legionaries into recruits, veterans and primes seems to more closely follow the manipular Roman legion designations of hastati, principes and triarii while the Praetorian guard were (obviously) something that existed long after the real Caesar's assassination. I wonder how much more he could have done with the promise of farmland for old warriors. I could imagine that is how the Legion founds settlements that provide for it in terms of manpower, resources and such.
Or maybe I'm just overthinking this, I don't know.
*me after clicking on the thumbnail and watching for a while.*
Wait this isn't history...
Ave, true to Caesar
There is one more you didn’t mention:
Courier
This is a great video I can only hope that you make the same type for the NCR.
Unironically a better system than liberal democracy
Great vid!
If you're in a post-apocalyptic wasteland full of genetically mutated super monsters, sure.
In real life it's just barbarism and stupidity.
@@cat_city2009 cringe take. Similar systems have created empires that last thousands of years irl
You can continue to cope if you need though
@@SaintJames14
LOL
Name one and explain how it's like Caesar's Legion.
@@cat_city2009 ratioed
Based and Legion pilled
Whaaaa no way I have clicked this TEN MINUTES AFTER RELEASE. MABOIII
reminding you of this conment
Ave, true to Caesar
I always treat them as it should be:
-Caesar with a knife.
-Preatorian with pushy, minigun, gatlin gun, medicine stick, mounted shoulder machinegun, chainsaw, blade of the west, alien blaster , a light Shining in darkness and María.
-Legatus with an Anti materiel rifle with no need to talk to him.
-Vulpes with Red Glare with high explosive rockets or Fat man with any nuke when he gets out of the building in nipton.
-Everyone else, I let Boone deal with them with Paciencia.
Why did the mod steal Lucius’ hairline?
It's pronounced KAI-Zar
Ave true to Ceasar.!
Vale.
Do a video on nine military factions/jobs in the legion. If there is enough content.
It's a huge, HUGE missed Opportunity not to call Explorers "Velites."
Historically, these are light screening forces meant to act as a vanguard and screening force to the main body of Legionnaires. It is a shame Explorers aren't called Velites.
It's also a shame that we don't see power armored legionnaires, cause they can be used to reference "Catapharctarii" Super heavy shock cavalry of the Empire, which is perfect to call Power armor wearing Legionnaires.
And hey, who says we can't have "Socii" as well? Allied settlements provide the Legion with specialized ranged units. So imagine like, "Socii Sagitarii" as Legion Socii snipers.
Just blame Bethesda and their 18 months deadline.
Weren't the Kataphraktoi more of a Byzantine unit than classical/pagan Roman?
@@seronymus No, they were around for some time. They saw an explosion in use during the later stages of the Empire such as late Roman army post Diocletian reforms and even during the Crisis of the 3rd Century.
The Romans have had much contact with the Cataphractarii of the eastern Empires and, as the Romans did, they adapted them over the centuries as a means to counter them.
To the point that late Roman Cavalry by the time of the Late empire was considered some of the most elite in the military.
Y does Caesar look like that
What a brain tumor does to a mf
Its a mod called fallout character overhaul (fco). It changes the faces of nearly all npcs in new vegas. Its really awsome but a pain in the ass if you dont know how to sort a load order. It caused me to many problem to be worth it but it might work for you.
Ave true to Caesar
my dumb ass thought this was about the real life Caesar
True to Caesar.
Why does your Ceasar look like that
ohhh yeahhh caesar legion video
I clicked on this thinjing it was about Rome, but stayed anyway!
Ncr vid ncr vid??
dude the mods you use to make videos are garbo. just leave it vanilla if you’re just gonna make the character models look like they are made of clay.
Great videos, I love this kind of content. Keep uploading please
The problem with the Legion is that there isn't really a unifying history, culture, or vision. They might be compared by some to the Greeks under Alexander, or the Mongols under Genghis Khan, but the Greeks and Mongols had those things in spades; they'd grown up in the same land and with the same culture that produced their great founding hero. They could, if not match his brilliance, at least comprehend it. Alexander and Genghis Khan may not have had one singular successor ruling a singular empire, but they *did* have successors, and the Greeks and Mongols ruled the lands conquered by Alexander and Genghis for centuries.
But the Legion is just a bunch of crap some arrogant outsider has imposed on them; they don't have any real understanding of it that goes beyond "It is Caesar's will" or "Caesar says this is bad." Caesar has deliberately failed to cultivate this, because he's a power-hungry dictator. He wants absolute obedience, not understanding. He wants fawning worshipers, not educated successors.
Caesar recognizes this, and pursues two things: a Rome (a location in which Legion culture can develop and understand as the "us" of the group), and a Carthage (a group to serve as the "them" to establish what the Legion is working against.)
Rome is Vegas, and the NCR, for now, is Carthage.
Unfortunately, if Caesar ends up conquering California, he'll need to replace the NCR with the Brotherhood, as they're the only similarly sized group who are ideologically opposed and militarily powerful enough to take this role, but the switch may hurt.
Finally, he wants to "cannibalize" the values of the NCR in order to create a super society with the benefits of both. In Caesar's eyes, the defining factor of the Legion is it's Utilitarianism, which betrays all other aspects; the Legion despises technological dependency, yet will use technology when needed. It sees women are taking a caretaking and maintenance role in society, but is willing to work with a female courier (even make her leader if you believe Caesar is making you a protege), etc. Caesar believes that the Legion, when it has these things, will simply reshape itself as many times as need be in order to become whatever is needed at the time. But until he has these two things, the Legion is little more than a warlord's band of tribals; like the Mongols, as you said, and will collapse without him.
@@jonahhudson2052 Why couldn't he just make Rome in one of the states he's apparently conquered?
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Because Rome wasn't built in a day 😎
In all seriousness, it's because he actually needs a cultural lynchpin to create a unified culture beyond "follow me"
@@jonahhudson2052 I can see that. He needs some big win to prove he's important.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Pretty much all major US cities were nuked in to oblivion. Mr House's private defences shielded Vegas from the worst of the damage, and is probably one of the most built up cities left in the continental US- a fitting capital
Unleash your Faustian male 🐂 🌞
So is a veteran legionare higher up the ladder than a base decanus? I don’t get how if the decanus leads 8 men, and there are tons and tons of recruit legionaries, how are there enough decani? Do only the prime and veteran legionaries get a decanus to lead them?
I'd assume they're divided into their own Conturbernia, a Recruit Decanus leads Recruit Legionaries, Prime Decanus leads Prime Legionaries, etc. It's only when they're in raiding or skirmishing parties they mismash the Legion ranks
@@taxult that’s what I thought but does a recruit decanus rank higher than a prime or veteran legionary? Or is recruit decanus the next step up from veteran legionary
I didn’t realize until now that the bill of sale we find in Jeannie’s safe is actually the only document that references a Consul in Caesar’s Legion.
A little history:
Consuls were the equivalent of the President of a country. They were (typically) elected by the people in pairs of two, and would work on and off as the head of state. When one of the Consuls was in power, this is referred to as the Consul “holding Fasces.” The Consul not in power is considered a “Co-Consul,” the equivalent (in name and some function) of a Vice President. Co-Consuls often times had the first say in debates over a bill in the Roman Senate, after the Consul holding fasces at the time is done speaking. If the two consuls were opposed politically, this means either one could filibuster the bill, essentially making it dead on arrival.
Consuls are unique in that they also have the power to raise and command Legions for Military operations. And while this could mean that Consuls were more powerful than the Senate, they needed to maintain favor with the Senate and therefore the people for their own future gains economically and politically. However, there are two means by which a Consul could wield absolute authority without the Senate.
One of these is if the Senate passed the “Senatus Consultum Ultimum,” or “The Final Act.” This act, by definition, empowers the consuls with unbridled authority, essentially making them above Roman Law. They could literally kill many Romans, and they wouldn’t feel the actual punishment for the crime… unless the punishment was no more political gains, which was definitely the consequence there. The Senate could also make a Roman Consul into a “Dictator.” We give that word some negative connotations now, but to the Roman’s, it was an honor to be named dictator. Again, unbridled authority, but this time it has a time limit (unless you’re Caesar 😂) of Six Months. 6. VI. After that, they must step down from Dictator. Both of these powers were only used in the most desperate of times, though, which was usually in wartime (again, unless you’re Caesar 😂).
i miss caesar 😢
There's a sick obsession with the mitigation and hobbling of power
Do you think we could get a video similar to this one for the NCR? I want to know if each squad carried the same equipment or did they divide weapon load outs on a per man basis (riflemen, mortarmen, machine gunner, etc etc)
Legion = cosplaying slaving raiders.
Ncr need a avideo like this
I thought this was about the real Caeser's army and was really confused by the guy with the handgun in the thumbnail.
About the frumentaari, centurions, and praetorians I think that at some point they just don't care that what Caesar says is true or not. They follow him out of sheer loyalty for what he has done and just play along. Vulpes and Lucious 100% know he's not a God but believe in their minds that what he's doing for the Wasteland justifies it. In that sense, they really DO worship Caesar.
Personality cults can crop up over a very short period of time. Look at people like some political figures, religious extremists and to a certain extent, famous celebrities.
In Caesar's case, he was captured by a tribe which was losing a war. In no time at all, he used his knowledge of history and technology to transform the tribe from a small, desperate group into a disciplined, drilled force that had grown by conquering the region it occupied. The man may not be a literal god to those closest to him but to those further down, he may as well be one.
@@Capt.DanInJapan well that obvious but I was referring to what I found interesting in the case of those who know the truth but still follow him.
damn this pretty good .
Dammit Yaboiiiii, I was just about to make this video for the first ever video on my channel 😂
You still can! Send it through when you make it mate.
I definitely will now!
Just finished and uploaded today!
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Omg I thought it was about Julius Caesar’s actual army lmaooo
I could see Vulpes and Lucius working together to usurp Lanius, he lacks cunning.
I thought this was a video on actual roman hierarchy
Praetorians are actually not considered the toughest the legion has to offer. According to Chief Hanlon they are capable enough to qualify as a centurion as a rule but they are selected for due to their loyalty to Caesar, not explicitly because they are the best the legion has to offer in combat ability.
I love this, honestly wish they did more with the leagion, seems like they are hated by most companions, or don't have many fans.
Does some of the gameplay recorded have mods on for texture, and then doesn't?
They had plans for more legion content, more side quests, and civilian locations in the mojave, but they had to be cut for time
i love the theory of legate lanius being multiple people, so each time one dies a new legate becomes "lanius" and the monster of the east. it makes sense since the guy you meet in fnv doesn't seem as brutal and "veteran" as you'd expect someone who conquered entire states of the pre-war us.
lanius literally speaks of his conquests in denver, not to mention you dont find 7ft tall generals who are able to don heavy armor and cleave brahmin in half
The game treats Lanius as myth who is different from the actual person.
If you launch the nuclear missile from the Divide towards the Legion camp there is also a ghoulified Legate there
For a second, I thought I was watching a video of Invicta or Kings and generals. Nice work
well shit i was just looking for a Legion Ranks videos
My main take-away is that the only reason the legion still exists at all is because of how insanely competent the frumentarii are. Without their intelligence gathering, planning and campaigns of terror the legion is essentially just a horde of half naked dumbasses charging into machinegun fire weilding big knives
Did anybody else click on this video and think it was actual history for a bit? I couldn’t see the screen because I was listening and I didn’t notice for a minute or two
You're gonna pull out Kenturian but stick with Seesar?? ok bud
So the order of battle for the legion is basically the manipular system
dude why do you sound exactly like the youtuber Alt-Shift-X but with a different microphone, are you the same person?
So mad that I can’t be a legion slaver!
I thought this video was gonna be about Julius Caesar & the structure of the Roman military 😭