I feel like the change from Edward to Caesar was a gradual one, Edward would teach his ragtag tribe that Caesar did this, Caesar would do that until at some point the tribals started calling Edward Caesar. And that would be that.
@@jakemocci3953 it would be like Edward: please, I am teaching the history of an ancient general from a far-away land called Rome. Tribes: he's the Caesar! Edward: for God sake, not again.
I really wish we got to see more of Caesar's Legion and their faction developed more, they're my favorite faction in the series. I still like them the way they are but i feel a lot of parts about their culture and history feel underdeveloped (and they are according to interviews). There's just so much potential to the way they work, considering they ironically act more like a Steppe horde than the Roman Legions, since they obviously take a couple lessons Caesar deems useful from tribes they conquer, i can see something akin to Mongol siege engineers where they just have a special team of siege engineers from captured tribes with mortars or C4 which they use when sieging settlements.
I hate the Legion the most, which makes them fun enemies in game. But I agree with you. One thing I think dies them a disservice, is how Obsidian portrayed them as ignorant and antagonistic. - they're ALWAYS trash-talking you as a trader/wanderer. - they're always saying others are lessar because they have no purpose, yet never talk about their purpose to re-build society - it makes sense that they SA women, but their cartoonists violent thirst makes them look sound like mustache twirlers. Im not saying I want the Left to be PC. No, that wouldn't suit their character. They're going to SA, butcher people of ALL ages, torture, crucify, and execute. Again, it makes sense with their character. The problem with them being TOO violent 24/7, is that kind of behavior can NOT sustain a society. We're told Legion territory is peaceful, and that caravans like trading with them. With all their over-the-top violent attitudes, does Obsidian REALLY expect us to believe they just 'switch it off' when they trade and go to their homelands? Give me a break dude.... I don't care how 'safe' Legion territory is. If I lived there, I would not be comfortable with Legionaries going near my daughter or wife. I'm not complaining that they commit atrocious acts. Im pointing out their overt cartoonish love of atrocities makes it unrealistic to say these guys 'protect' thrur citizens and never hurt them. I find that VERY hard to believe. 1) I would have preferred the Legionaries to not be so stupid 2) It would have been great to hear them talk about re-building society. Not in an educated way like Edward, but in an optimistic almost brainwashed way. To give the player the idea these men, while vicious and terrible, have some sense of altruism. Many Roman Soldiers did rape & pillage during total war, but they weren't constantly hungry for it. Some had families back in Rome. Some say the violence as a needed action to preserve their state. I would like to have seen some Legionarie in game talk about people back home they felt close to. Even Legion haters like me would be curious to interact with them in game to see how they think. 3) I would like to see Legionaries trade with merchants, in a civil way, even if the merchant is a woman. Cass mentions trading in their territory, so they obviously were able to keep their pants up around her. Yet we don't see them being civil, and theur cartoonish behavior makes it hard to imagine them as such. 4) make the leaders the more educated and civil, excluding Lanius. Even the Centurion at Cottonwood Cove acts like a low-level Legionarie. And he's supposed to oversee trade with outsiders? STUPID. He and others of/near his rank should be more educated in latin and negotiating. These are basically commissioned officers, they shouldn't be acting like enlisted grunts. Sure you can show their sadistic and brutal side, but make it more sophisticated. The higher ranks civility would give us the player a different view of the Legion. How it can tone down the Snively Whiplash persona. All of this, would give the player the idea that perhaps Ceasar's Legion CAN rebuild society. All this, combined with being able to see Legion territory, would make them a MUCH more interesting faction to join, fight, or just talk to. Buuuuuuur NOPE. All we got were incell barbarians with over-the-top villainous attitudes. Basically a bunch of mini Lanius's.
can you be incel if you can have woman sex slaves and part of your ideology is forcing them to bear childs ? or you just wanted to use the buzzword ? incel is nont sinonimous with misoginist lol@@AllenReyes-t7n
@@AllenReyes-t7n "The soil is good in this valley, I could make a bountiful farm here." "These hills have plentiful game. I long to bring my son to hunt them." Just little bits of dialog from Legion patrols. But that's not artistic enough I guess. Agree 100%
I mean they intentionally set out to destroy any tribes with peace-forward ideologies, we’re rampantly sexist, and gained their strength by taking from others
Prehaps there is a way that Ceasar still conquered 86 tribes, and the armour still working. The "first" tribe could be referring to the Legion itself as an idea, with it conquering the other 86 tribes.
They did such an amazing job at writing Caesar as a character If you didn't know he's based off of the bad guy from the 1979 movie _Apocalypse Now_ called Colonel Kurtz who found himself in a very similar situation that we, the player see Caesar in And just like Caesar, Colonel Kurtz did infact see himself as some kind of "enlightened philosopher" who's methods were brutal yes but they did produce results and he used that to try and justify himself and his cause Just amazing writing at work
@@rejvaik00 I wasn't trying to correct you or anything if it came across that way; I just thought that it'd be interesting to know the movie is also based on a book from the 1800s. Kurtz is in it as well I believe.
@@12Gauge223 I know you weren't but I was trying to say they didn't care for the book version they were only interested in the movie version from the 70s
It's almost laughable how little Caesar's Legion has in common with its real life historical counterpart. A big one is his refusal to use technology. The Romans spearheaded technological advancement in the Mediterranean World with the Legions constantly adopting new weapons and ways of fighting.
It was done for a purpose though. The Legion really isn't threatened at a technological level by any faction except the NCR, and clearly the Legion doesn't have an issue takin them on. The restriction on technology for a similar purpose that the Amish use it for - to maintain ideological purity and personal strength. Technology weakens people over time and the Legion is a society built on masculinity and social Darwinism.
Caesar’s Legion is but that, the legion of a man who named himself Caesar. He is a civilized and literate man in an illiterate, uncivilized world; he clearly has leadership qualities, but he isn’t a great man like the leaders and conquerors of Caesar or Alexander. He has no historic civilization or culture to back his greatness, he has no aqueducts or great stone monuments; no philosophers or scholars. What Caesar is, it is what Hitler and Mohammed are to their respective peoples: people makers, and people motivators. Coming to a distraught or impressionable populace as false prophets, then waging war with their “Muslims” and “Nazis”, these people they’ve created; like the warriors of Caesar’s legion, who abandoned their native cultures and tongues to worship Mars and fight for the glory of a strong man. Caesar is no Roman, but he isn’t even a Muslim. The Muslims, when they conquered the lands they did, had the ability to recognize that they stood amongst civilizations and legacies more wise and learned than them, and so they sought to learn about these things. Caesar’s people are a sorry people, worshiping Mars, rejecting modern Medicine, and unable to operate moderately advanced medical equipment - that which would save his life. An antique culture next to one with planes and cars, machine guns and artillery, and mass manufacturing. Caesar is the birth of a people, not a nation; this only true if after his death his warrior slaves dont return to their native ways, if another strong leader can step in and fill his shoes. If the lesser leaders don’t squabble and tear the legion apart. It can be done, like with the passing of Stalin, but then again the USSR was a proper country. If the Legion survives, the leaders after Caesar will have to create the nation with the people Caesar made.
You’re not entirely wrong but I don’t think Caesar refused to us technology. He did make a weapons deal with the Van Graffs and other advanced tech is used by centurions and higher ranking members of the legion. Caesar doesn’t want the tech to be relied upon but he isn’t afraid of using it when needed
I’ve always thought the 87th tribe was The Marked Men I always thought that Gaius Magnus had been sent to put down The Marked Men, the 87th “Tribe” defeated by the Legion. Rather than Armour made in honour of his victory I thought the armour was ceremonial “This will be the armour that leads the crusade against the 87th Tribe”
The marked men at dry wells were transformed from the nuclear blast, so there wasn’t any marked men there before that, and the legion doesn’t even know of them, they haven’t moved a finger to see what’s in the divide, they totally ignore it as it was just a NCR supply line
I find the Legion to be so fascinating. Their entire existence being the amalgamation of several now dead tribes to form this collection of tactics and skill sets under one banner, in one way or another one tribe and identity is stripped, only to have it's essence pooled together into a much greater organization. If it weren't for the heavy use of slavery and role females, specifically, play within the Legion, I could see them in a better light, but unfortunately they are just way to evil for the sake of having an obvious bad guy. On a side note, i've heard that the armor of the 87th tribe is actually referencing the Legion and that the armor was forged specifically to look like Legate armor and bestowed onto a powerful member of the Legion. I like this idea because what is the Legion but a tribe within itself?
I don’t remember who but one of the devs said the legion being how evil and sexist they are presented was a mistake and said they accidentally went overboard
@@Waffleman00It definitely feels like it. The Legion got shafted, they had very little quests (albeit the ones they did have were pretty good) and they were evil for evil sake which is strange considering there isn't a good faction to contrast, it's just shades of good and bad.
@@Waffleman00That’s a pretty dumb thing to say though, these things make the Legion interesting. You literally couldn’t make something like the Legion for a modern AAA game these days without it being watered down and toothless.
@@jackhowitzer432 well it wasn’t gonna be toothless, it still was gonna be a massive slave empire, but women would of been portrayed in a better light in legion ideology as mothers who heroically provide soldiers for the legion, kinda like Sparta. Idk about the slave treatment, but it kinda doesn’t make too much sense because every member of Caesars legion is a slave to Caesar
Thinking on the Legion more, the Legion actually appears to have a similar expansion method to Genghis Khan, killing those that resist, integrating those that didn't.
@@Peecamarkebro there was a group that saw dogs as their gods and when Caesar found out he had them start tossing the dogs into fire until they surrendered, mf does not care about their identity besides where they came from and how it aids him.
Weird how most of this comment section praises Caesar’s legion as a better organization but ignores their stripping tribes of their cultural identity, sexism, and slavery…
>stripping tribes of their cultural identity That is how a great many civilizations formed early on, yes. >sexist Somewhat, yes. Not at levels unrealistic for civilizations in an actual apocalypse, though. Women aren't as physically strong nor are they as frankly disposable as men are, in regards to combat. All the legion women that actually appear in NV are slaves, as well. The devs have said they regretted not getting to put any actual legion settlements that weren't military camps in game; such were intended to feature non-enslaved women being treated substantially better than the ones who actually made it into the game. >Slavery Name a successful, large scale civilization from pre-modern times that _didn't_ use that. I'll wait. Mind you, there's probably more efficient _and_ egalitarian examples that could be emulated, but an apocalypse would 100% end up with more Caesar's Legions than it would NCRs.
You know, a spin-off game where you play as Edward, and play out his rise. First starting with just conquering tribes, and then going onto building up the Legion, and then finally ending off with where New Vegas starts.
I’ve always loved the use of Caesar’s legion as The main enemy for the NCR. Both sides were used to picking fights they would reasonably win, yet the fact that a comparatively backwards band of slaves and slavers put the bear on its heels serves perfectly to show how weak a hold the Republic has on the Mojave. Further showing off the commitment repeating history on both sides.
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer Do you think a bullet could actually remove a tumour and leave the victim alive? If it was on the outer part of the brain and the bullet was matrix levels accurate, do you think it would actually be conceivable to perform brain surgery at a distance? I feel, with the right calibre and the perfect shot it may be possible, though I'm not sure if a round could have enough energy to pierce the skull but not transfer too much energy. That and the fragment of skull would probably kill you anyway. But who isn't a fan of impromptu trepanning from long range.
I think oxhorn said in his lonesome road video but the armor of the 87th tribe is meant to signify the legion itself as the 87th tribe not a new tribe they were conquering
It seems to be a contradiction in Caesar’s legion in that Caesar was adopted by the blackfoots because he taught them how to use firearms properly and thus gain a technological edge on their rivals, but then the legion would go on to largely abandon guns and technology in favour of more primitive melee based combat. I love the idea of Caesar’s legion but it also makes no sense. The romans were epitome of opportunists and pragmatists and succeeded precisely because they would innovate and use technology to their advantage. Caesars legion would be much better based on Sparta or ottoman janissaries imo
This is what people don’t understand about Caesar’s legion in game. He’s basing his whole society off of the Gallic campaign and trying to emulate Rome itself only AFTER he goes back to the NCR. His whole legion is based off of the Roman military NOT their society. Even then, he’s only using it as an identity to unite his tribe, he doesn’t need it to be exactly like Rome and he’s more following the steps of what made imperial Rome. He’s not even starting from the beginning of Roman history, he’s basing it from Julius and Augustus explicitly.
They’re a pretty disgusting people honestly, they don’t know how to create anything. If they didn’t live in a paradise filled with fruit, wild game, and docile tribals to raid, they would’ve starved to death long ago lol
My headcanon is a low intelligence courier working for Caesar but accidentally messing up every time he gets a mission and Caesar running him out of the fort and ordering his death. Only for the courier to come back with the securitron army and destroying everything he’s ever built. Just makes me laugh lol
On all my playthroughs I can NEVER seem to fully go with the legion, even on an Evil play through; As I just can't accept how awful they are as a group 😂
The trick is comparing them to the cultures and raiders they annihilate and protect people from. Cook cook as an example. Or talk to Joe Cobb about what he did and realize thats the type of criminal that roams the NCR and to him killing people and burning towns isnt a big deal
You should do fallout 4 lore videos like this, it's not as garbage as fallout 76 or as basic/boring as fallout 3. While fallout 4 has some issues I think it's a true tragedy to not get to see someone who puts so much research & care into their videos like you not doing fallout 4 lore.
@@dellmaxson2184 Better atmosphere, better story, better side quests, better final fight, more moral ambiguity, better locations, better DLCs, and more true to the original fallout than New Vegas.
@@spiffygonzales5160 as I said before sure little buddy fallout 3 definitely has those things😂. Now have a good evening little bro, the only thing I will say is maybe you should do some research before commenting lmao👌😂.
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I feel like the change from Edward to Caesar was a gradual one, Edward would teach his ragtag tribe that Caesar did this, Caesar would do that until at some point the tribals started calling Edward Caesar. And that would be that.
this is the moment edward became caesar
Imagine teaching the history of a general from ancient time and they call you with his name
@@ghostlion8616it would be game time🙋🏼⚡️⚡️
@@jakemocci3953 it would be like
Edward: please, I am teaching the history of an ancient general from a far-away land called Rome.
Tribes: he's the Caesar!
Edward: for God sake, not again.
@@ghostlion8616kind of like every roman emperor and russian emperor and countless other leaders in history who called themselves Caesar 😭
I liked your inclusion of the Old World blues (The HOI4 mod) for the flags, Twin Mothers and Hangdogs.
Those tribes are from Van Buren.
He said flags@@DiddlePantsFTW
I really wish we got to see more of Caesar's Legion and their faction developed more, they're my favorite faction in the series. I still like them the way they are but i feel a lot of parts about their culture and history feel underdeveloped (and they are according to interviews). There's just so much potential to the way they work, considering they ironically act more like a Steppe horde than the Roman Legions, since they obviously take a couple lessons Caesar deems useful from tribes they conquer, i can see something akin to Mongol siege engineers where they just have a special team of siege engineers from captured tribes with mortars or C4 which they use when sieging settlements.
Bros favorite faction is a bunch of low intelligence rapists and murderers 💀
I hate the Legion the most, which makes them fun enemies in game. But I agree with you.
One thing I think dies them a disservice, is how Obsidian portrayed them as ignorant and antagonistic.
- they're ALWAYS trash-talking you as a trader/wanderer.
- they're always saying others are lessar because they have no purpose, yet never talk about their purpose to re-build society
- it makes sense that they SA women, but their cartoonists violent thirst makes them look sound like mustache twirlers.
Im not saying I want the Left to be PC. No, that wouldn't suit their character. They're going to SA, butcher people of ALL ages, torture, crucify, and execute.
Again, it makes sense with their character. The problem with them being TOO violent 24/7, is that kind of behavior can NOT sustain a society. We're told Legion territory is peaceful, and that caravans like trading with them. With all their over-the-top violent attitudes, does Obsidian REALLY expect us to believe they just 'switch it off' when they trade and go to their homelands? Give me a break dude....
I don't care how 'safe' Legion territory is. If I lived there, I would not be comfortable with Legionaries going near my daughter or wife. I'm not complaining that they commit atrocious acts. Im pointing out their overt cartoonish love of atrocities makes it unrealistic to say these guys 'protect' thrur citizens and never hurt them. I find that VERY hard to believe.
1) I would have preferred the Legionaries to not be so stupid
2) It would have been great to hear them talk about re-building society. Not in an educated way like Edward, but in an optimistic almost brainwashed way. To give the player the idea these men, while vicious and terrible, have some sense of altruism. Many Roman Soldiers did rape & pillage during total war, but they weren't constantly hungry for it. Some had families back in Rome. Some say the violence as a needed action to preserve their state. I would like to have seen some Legionarie in game talk about people back home they felt close to. Even Legion haters like me would be curious to interact with them in game to see how they think.
3) I would like to see Legionaries trade with merchants, in a civil way, even if the merchant is a woman. Cass mentions trading in their territory, so they obviously were able to keep their pants up around her. Yet we don't see them being civil, and theur cartoonish behavior makes it hard to imagine them as such.
4) make the leaders the more educated and civil, excluding Lanius. Even the Centurion at Cottonwood Cove acts like a low-level Legionarie. And he's supposed to oversee trade with outsiders? STUPID. He and others of/near his rank should be more educated in latin and negotiating. These are basically commissioned officers, they shouldn't be acting like enlisted grunts. Sure you can show their sadistic and brutal side, but make it more sophisticated. The higher ranks civility would give us the player a different view of the Legion. How it can tone down the Snively Whiplash persona.
All of this, would give the player the idea that perhaps Ceasar's Legion CAN rebuild society. All this, combined with being able to see Legion territory, would make them a MUCH more interesting faction to join, fight, or just talk to.
Buuuuuuur NOPE. All we got were incell barbarians with over-the-top villainous attitudes. Basically a bunch of mini Lanius's.
can you be incel if you can have woman sex slaves and part of your ideology is forcing them to bear childs ? or you just wanted to use the buzzword ? incel is nont sinonimous with misoginist
lol@@AllenReyes-t7n
@@AllenReyes-t7n "The soil is good in this valley, I could make a bountiful farm here."
"These hills have plentiful game. I long to bring my son to hunt them."
Just little bits of dialog from Legion patrols. But that's not artistic enough I guess. Agree 100%
I mean they intentionally set out to destroy any tribes with peace-forward ideologies, we’re rampantly sexist, and gained their strength by taking from others
Prehaps there is a way that Ceasar still conquered 86 tribes, and the armour still working.
The "first" tribe could be referring to the Legion itself as an idea, with it conquering the other 86 tribes.
The Legion is the nucleus, all of the other tribes are absorbed and expand the whole outward.
They did such an amazing job at writing Caesar as a character
If you didn't know he's based off of the bad guy from the 1979 movie _Apocalypse Now_ called Colonel Kurtz who found himself in a very similar situation that we, the player see Caesar in
And just like Caesar, Colonel Kurtz did infact see himself as some kind of "enlightened philosopher" who's methods were brutal yes but they did produce results and he used that to try and justify himself and his cause
Just amazing writing at work
Apocalypse Now is based on the book "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad.
@@12Gauge223 and in development Obsidian explicitly stated they based Caesar on Colonel Kurtz
@@rejvaik00 I wasn't trying to correct you or anything if it came across that way; I just thought that it'd be interesting to know the movie is also based on a book from the 1800s. Kurtz is in it as well I believe.
@@12Gauge223 I know you weren't but I was trying to say they didn't care for the book version they were only interested in the movie version from the 70s
@@rejvaik00 Gotcha. I've never seen the movie but heard of it many times.
It still amazes me how rich the lore of this series is.
It's almost laughable how little Caesar's Legion has in common with its real life historical counterpart. A big one is his refusal to use technology. The Romans spearheaded technological advancement in the Mediterranean World with the Legions constantly adopting new weapons and ways of fighting.
It was done for a purpose though. The Legion really isn't threatened at a technological level by any faction except the NCR, and clearly the Legion doesn't have an issue takin them on. The restriction on technology for a similar purpose that the Amish use it for - to maintain ideological purity and personal strength. Technology weakens people over time and the Legion is a society built on masculinity and social Darwinism.
Caesar’s Legion is but that, the legion of a man who named himself Caesar.
He is a civilized and literate man in an illiterate, uncivilized world; he clearly has leadership qualities, but he isn’t a great man like the leaders and conquerors of Caesar or Alexander.
He has no historic civilization or culture to back his greatness, he has no aqueducts or great stone monuments; no philosophers or scholars.
What Caesar is, it is what Hitler and Mohammed are to their respective peoples: people makers, and people motivators. Coming to a distraught or impressionable populace as false prophets, then waging war with their “Muslims” and “Nazis”, these people they’ve created; like the warriors of Caesar’s legion, who abandoned their native cultures and tongues to worship Mars and fight for the glory of a strong man.
Caesar is no Roman, but he isn’t even a Muslim. The Muslims, when they conquered the lands they did, had the ability to recognize that they stood amongst civilizations and legacies more wise and learned than them, and so they sought to learn about these things.
Caesar’s people are a sorry people, worshiping Mars, rejecting modern Medicine, and unable to operate moderately advanced medical equipment - that which would save his life. An antique culture next to one with planes and cars, machine guns and artillery, and mass manufacturing.
Caesar is the birth of a people, not a nation; this only true if after his death his warrior slaves dont return to their native ways, if another strong leader can step in and fill his shoes. If the lesser leaders don’t squabble and tear the legion apart. It can be done, like with the passing of Stalin, but then again the USSR was a proper country.
If the Legion survives, the leaders after Caesar will have to create the nation with the people Caesar made.
Sallow only had the garlic wars and civil war books to go off of.
It's also funny that Caesar looks exactly like joaquin phoenix
You’re not entirely wrong but I don’t think Caesar refused to us technology. He did make a weapons deal with the Van Graffs and other advanced tech is used by centurions and higher ranking members of the legion.
Caesar doesn’t want the tech to be relied upon but he isn’t afraid of using it when needed
I’ve always thought the 87th tribe was The Marked Men
I always thought that Gaius Magnus had been sent to put down The Marked Men, the 87th “Tribe” defeated by the Legion.
Rather than Armour made in honour of his victory I thought the armour was ceremonial “This will be the armour that leads the crusade against the 87th Tribe”
The marked men at dry wells were transformed from the nuclear blast, so there wasn’t any marked men there before that, and the legion doesn’t even know of them, they haven’t moved a finger to see what’s in the divide, they totally ignore it as it was just a NCR supply line
werent the marked men Legion and NCR soldiers that were sent to the divide though?
@@bingusgaming4222Yes
I find the Legion to be so fascinating. Their entire existence being the amalgamation of several now dead tribes to form this collection of tactics and skill sets under one banner, in one way or another one tribe and identity is stripped, only to have it's essence pooled together into a much greater organization.
If it weren't for the heavy use of slavery and role females, specifically, play within the Legion, I could see them in a better light, but unfortunately they are just way to evil for the sake of having an obvious bad guy.
On a side note, i've heard that the armor of the 87th tribe is actually referencing the Legion and that the armor was forged specifically to look like Legate armor and bestowed onto a powerful member of the Legion. I like this idea because what is the Legion but a tribe within itself?
I don’t remember who but one of the devs said the legion being how evil and sexist they are presented was a mistake and said they accidentally went overboard
@@Waffleman00It definitely feels like it. The Legion got shafted, they had very little quests (albeit the ones they did have were pretty good) and they were evil for evil sake which is strange considering there isn't a good faction to contrast, it's just shades of good and bad.
@@Waffleman00That’s a pretty dumb thing to say though, these things make the Legion interesting.
You literally couldn’t make something like the Legion for a modern AAA game these days without it being watered down and toothless.
@@zonolith5912would have been cool to visit towns living under the legion. Not as slaves, but under their law. Maybe even have a smuggling side quest
@@jackhowitzer432 well it wasn’t gonna be toothless, it still was gonna be a massive slave empire, but women would of been portrayed in a better light in legion ideology as mothers who heroically provide soldiers for the legion, kinda like Sparta. Idk about the slave treatment, but it kinda doesn’t make too much sense because every member of Caesars legion is a slave to Caesar
Yes! I always love when u drop new content, please keep it coming
Love the vids! Always a great day when ya upload!
Thinking on the Legion more, the Legion actually appears to have a similar expansion method to Genghis Khan, killing those that resist, integrating those that didn't.
And collapsing upon the death of its founder.
Didn’t he let tribes keep their cultural identity?
@@Peecamarkebro there was a group that saw dogs as their gods and when Caesar found out he had them start tossing the dogs into fire until they surrendered, mf does not care about their identity besides where they came from and how it aids him.
@@dr.veronica6155Why?
@@dr.veronica6155the mongol empire didn’t collapse when Genghis khan died his sons ruled the empire after he died
I really enjoy the writing of the tribes in Fallout NV, I would love to know and meet more of them
Please make a lore deep dive on Ulysses & the Divide!
God has blessed us with a new yaboiii lore video 🙏🙏🙏
Caesar has conquered 86 tribes, and 'only', give or take, 15 of those tribes are 'known', only barely.
This is due to a rush develoment of 18 months, honesty seeing the rest of the tribes would be pretty cool.
You can add Ncr tribe to this list.
Ave, true to Caesar!!!
Weird how most of this comment section praises Caesar’s legion as a better organization but ignores their stripping tribes of their cultural identity, sexism, and slavery…
>stripping tribes of their cultural identity
That is how a great many civilizations formed early on, yes.
>sexist
Somewhat, yes. Not at levels unrealistic for civilizations in an actual apocalypse, though. Women aren't as physically strong nor are they as frankly disposable as men are, in regards to combat. All the legion women that actually appear in NV are slaves, as well. The devs have said they regretted not getting to put any actual legion settlements that weren't military camps in game; such were intended to feature non-enslaved women being treated substantially better than the ones who actually made it into the game.
>Slavery
Name a successful, large scale civilization from pre-modern times that _didn't_ use that. I'll wait.
Mind you, there's probably more efficient _and_ egalitarian examples that could be emulated, but an apocalypse would 100% end up with more Caesar's Legions than it would NCRs.
Ave true to Caesar
@@passingrando6457You absolutely cooked amicus.
You know, a spin-off game where you play as Edward, and play out his rise. First starting with just conquering tribes, and then going onto building up the Legion, and then finally ending off with where New Vegas starts.
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I’ve always loved the use of Caesar’s legion as The main enemy for the NCR. Both sides were used to picking fights they would reasonably win, yet the fact that a comparatively backwards band of slaves and slavers put the bear on its heels serves perfectly to show how weak a hold the Republic has on the Mojave. Further showing off the commitment repeating history on both sides.
Caesar’s will is absolute and final. FAFO.
Until an anti-material rifle relieves him of his tumor
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer Do you think a bullet could actually remove a tumour and leave the victim alive?
If it was on the outer part of the brain and the bullet was matrix levels accurate, do you think it would actually be conceivable to perform brain surgery at a distance?
I feel, with the right calibre and the perfect shot it may be possible, though I'm not sure if a round could have enough energy to pierce the skull but not transfer too much energy.
That and the fragment of skull would probably kill you anyway. But who isn't a fan of impromptu trepanning from long range.
@@fluffycarrot42
Anything is possible with 10 luck
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_EnjoyerAverage NCR redditor:
@@nxmx6ix
You don’t need to like NCR to dislike the Legion
i imagine whatever was left of the 87th tribe got nuked if you nuked the legion in lonesome road
*insert fallout new vegas reference here *
Something something like smooth little babies
Meele legion playtrough will always be the funest way to play fnv
I think oxhorn said in his lonesome road video but the armor of the 87th tribe is meant to signify the legion itself as the 87th tribe not a new tribe they were conquering
Ave amicus
I would have set you free in ways you could not see
87th is actually legion itself
I want the next fallout have a tribe faction u can join
Play fallout 2,you are a tribal
Your videos on caesar are always goof
Like number 999, noice
It seems to be a contradiction in Caesar’s legion in that Caesar was adopted by the blackfoots because he taught them how to use firearms properly and thus gain a technological edge on their rivals, but then the legion would go on to largely abandon guns and technology in favour of more primitive melee based combat.
I love the idea of Caesar’s legion but it also makes no sense. The romans were epitome of opportunists and pragmatists and succeeded precisely because they would innovate and use technology to their advantage. Caesars legion would be much better based on Sparta or ottoman janissaries imo
This is what people don’t understand about Caesar’s legion in game. He’s basing his whole society off of the Gallic campaign and trying to emulate Rome itself only AFTER he goes back to the NCR. His whole legion is based off of the Roman military NOT their society. Even then, he’s only using it as an identity to unite his tribe, he doesn’t need it to be exactly like Rome and he’s more following the steps of what made imperial Rome. He’s not even starting from the beginning of Roman history, he’s basing it from Julius and Augustus explicitly.
Honestly I feel sorry for the White legs. since no matter what they do, they will never be allowed to join up with the Legion.🐱
They’re a pretty disgusting people honestly, they don’t know how to create anything.
If they didn’t live in a paradise filled with fruit, wild game, and docile tribals to raid, they would’ve starved to death long ago lol
Leader fixates on philosophy, leads his cult of personality
Murder hobo walks into a decorated tent,
Decorates the tent.
My headcanon is a low intelligence courier working for Caesar but accidentally messing up every time he gets a mission and Caesar running him out of the fort and ordering his death. Only for the courier to come back with the securitron army and destroying everything he’s ever built.
Just makes me laugh lol
*AVE, TRUE TO CAESER*
Oi oi
First
Your mommy must be so proud. You were first in your special ED class.
"rich" culture ?)
On all my playthroughs I can NEVER seem to fully go with the legion, even on an Evil play through; As I just can't accept how awful they are as a group 😂
The trick is comparing them to the cultures and raiders they annihilate and protect people from. Cook cook as an example. Or talk to Joe Cobb about what he did and realize thats the type of criminal that roams the NCR and to him killing people and burning towns isnt a big deal
You should do fallout 4 lore videos like this, it's not as garbage as fallout 76 or as basic/boring as fallout 3.
While fallout 4 has some issues I think it's a true tragedy to not get to see someone who puts so much research & care into their videos like you not doing fallout 4 lore.
Fallout 3 is better than fallout NV
@@spiffygonzales5160 sure it is my guy lmao
Have a good evening there lil buddy😂
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Better atmosphere, better story, better side quests, better final fight, more moral ambiguity, better locations, better DLCs, and more true to the original fallout than New Vegas.
@@spiffygonzales5160 as I said before sure little buddy fallout 3 definitely has those things😂.
Now have a good evening little bro, the only thing I will say is maybe you should do some research before commenting lmao👌😂.
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Typical new Vegas fan
I’m tired of your voice
TWIN MOTHERS BEING DESTROYED IS CRIMINAL