the concept of must pull only matters if you care about meta. And if you do care about meta then Caesar is 100% a must pull. I'd even argue that if you don't care about meta all that much she's close to being a must pull because she can allow you to play your mid units without them feeling like trash; Caesar unironically makes Billy a competitive agent for endgame clears
I disagree, if you care about meta, it actually makes more sense to wait for a dedicated support. Caesar is a marginal upgrade in a lot of meta teams, and a pretty good upgrade in non meta teams (BIlly, Corin). Her spot will almost definitely be replaced once we get an S rank support, which could be soon considering we have yet to get one.
She's only a must pull in terms of comfort. Her 1000 attack buff is not something unique to her, Soukaku has it as well. And Lucy's while not as good, is still quite high. But in terms of comfort: nobody else comes close. It's super easy to have 100% shield up time and never take damage from anything.
Caesar is the biggest enabler in the game so far, and I think the strongest part of her kit isn't her buffs, or even the protection her shield gives, but rather the hyper-armor. We're seeing more and more aggressive and tag team bosses (eg Ambush node Dual Thanatos, Razor + Shadow Jane, etc). These new bosses disproportionately gimp the 1.0 and 1.1 characters, because a lot of their kit revolves around long animation attacks or getting to the end of chains. Ellen has long animations and windup in charged Scissor Strike to get Freeze charges, Zhu Yuan's Suppression shot charges take a long time to empty, Billy's C6 buffs rely on not getting hit, Corin is a sitting duck during her BA4, BA6, EX and Special, etc. Caesar's shield hyperarmor enables older, slower Attack characters to get the full DPS value out of their kit without getting interrupted out of their combos and animations, or having to dodge out of combos and lose DPS. Can you still S-Rank Ambush Node 4 & 5 without Caesar? Absolutely. Does she bring a massive QoL to fighting these types of bosses? Also absolutely. Yanagi may be a sign of the meta change - she has built-in anti-interrupt in her Upper Chord and offensive interrupt in her Lower Chord. This may be the devs adjusting the game to a faster paced, more aggressive combat style, and Caesar keeps the older units relevant.
So lace, I've been here since the Princess connect clan battle days, I helped manage a top 50 clan and that was back when Makoto and even base Jun was basically required to do CB content. I only consider "Must pulls" if it is a character that is required to do content. As you know Jun and Makoto was REQUIRED for new accounts for what seemed the first year of the game, no ifs, ands, or buts. If you didn't reroll you account then and get them both then odds are there wasn't a single top 50 and even 100 clan that wanted you. A must pull to me should be that; a character that needs to be had to complete content. Same with S.Kyaru, same with Chris, Muimi, Neneka, and finally the god herself, NY.Kyaru. If you didn't have these characters build, or had them built wrong, that was a instant kick. For the people reading my content who weren't there; people would skip almost a year to make sure they had at least had a max 300 pulls saved to make sure these characters were on their rosters. Thankfully, this game is skill and resource management game. I mean there is a madlad who spend 9 hours doing Hollow Zero clearing every battle with JUST Soldier 11. Right now the game is in a spot where creativity with team building technically is the meta and i don't think there is a must pull. .... YET. You can look back in the last few banner and ask yourself, is there really anyone you regret not pulling in ZZZ and so far the answer is not really. Then again i feel like in 4 patches I am gonna eat my words, but we will pay that toll road when we get there.
Definitely not a must pull. I cleared this (especially Floor 5) in S rank without Ceasar in one go (ez 780 polychromes). If I could still do the next content or even future content in S rank with 1.0-1.1 characters? Then I wont pull unless it will DRASTICALLY benefit both of my teams.
Yea I mean NOTHING in this game is a "must pull" you can literally clear the endgame with a solo team of Piper if you want and get S rank as long as you know what you're doing. There's a youtuber doing just that, solo clear of critical node 7 with solo Piper. You do NOT need to pull at all. That being said, Caesar is the strongest unit in the game atm in regards to everything other than DPS (unless you have her at M6 in which case she is on par DPS wise with Jane Doe)
Most ZZZ fans who really loved it + can keep up pulling for every or most characters will agree with you. Clearing missions is possible even when using only the starter charcters, but the more important is to have fun and experince that are come through collect new Agents.
for a F2P perspective she is a must pull cuz as an F2p player I dont have to build every element type bis teams so I need to choose my pull wisely and Caesar she can be stunner and support for any team thats a must pull for me because of Caesar I can get which dps I want and I can skip specific bis stunner so I can get specific bis support or viceversa
SW was never a must pull. people always said that when more charcters come out SW will drop. thats why alot of people skipped her. The first must pull in HSR was RM which is ofc our first limited support. After that it was Acheron, Robin, Fei and some include Firefly (2 supp + 3 dps; supports have stayed the same since their release). so yeah there's only been 5 must pulls but there have been alot of strong characters which can still clear. personally id add adventurine/boothill to the list above but at the end of the day ur sustain is ur sustain.
There are no must pulls in a game that can very easily be S cleared on all A Ranks. Any meta in an effectively single player game only potentially matters if the effectiveness of the strongest teams actually provide a tangible benefit. In a game that's also time and energy gated, the concept of meta matters even less by default (no effective farming strategies by doing faster clears). If there was a mode that was very hard to clear, either on time or in terms of survival, I'd agree that someone like Caesar would be highly beneficial and there could perhaps an argument be made that she's a "must pull" for certain accounts and player demographics. But as it stands, calling any character a must pull in ZZZ is like calling the newest iphone a must buy.
I clared the last one with ben, lucy and jane lol nice thoughts, you just need to level up and get disks to clear everything, even if this week buff is shield based to make people go for ceaser you don't really need her
Best character on my account is Jane Doe. I got Ellen (built), Zhu Yuan (built), and their supports mostly built. I did the test run/ story missions/events with Caesar and although she did well I feel that she is just not need, so I am skipping. But with that said, I have not cleared the hardest content yet so maybe that is when she will truly shine. Anyway good video!
I'd say Caesar is a slightly better version of Zhongli and Zhongli is not very used nowadays anymore because the meta in genshin has just evolved to very specific team comps that doesn't have space for a shielder like Zhongli. I can see the same happening to Caesar like 3 years from now, but as of now I think she's too good of a character not to use with characters like Ellen or Corin who needs a lot of field time and vulnerable to being interrupted, even if they're playable without Caesar (since I can only play Caesar with one team, Ellen has to sweaty game her side with Anby). The biggest difference between Caesar and Silver Wolf is that SW was expensive to use in a team (skill point wise) and actively detrimental, meanwhile Caesar can slot into literally any team and you can either field her for a long duration or just pop a shield and then swap to someone else. At the end of the day it just depends on what team you end up going for, I still use SW on my main team today with Acheron. I'm more of the opinion that Huohuo is the most must-pull character in HSR because no one can cleanse as much as her and trivialize multiple boss mechanics, but that kind of utility is not interesting to most people who engage in discussing who the must-pull characters are.
"Zhongli is not very used nowadays" is there a source to this? just look at abyss usage rate from 4.0 to 5.0 the dude has like 60 to 70% usage rate, compare that to the version old dps like hu tao, ganyu, etc. I will say that the only difference they have is that zhongli has a bigger shield than caesar, but caesar has a bigger offensive buff than zhongli.
@@Teccytone Exactly, I see Zhongli used constantly x3 Though I would say another point is that Caesar's shield is very quick to apply so it doesn't matter that much that it's small
@@Teccytone I don't keep up with meta as much nowadays and ended up using my impression from half a version ago, but I guess he's really used nowadays so good for him.
tbh silver wolf aged pretty well, she's still a top choice for an Acheron team. I wouldn't say pull SW if she reruns but if i got her from the early 1.x then it wasnt a complete waste. Meanwhile Seele is completely outclassed. Caesar def makes the game a lot easier with her shield and on top of that damage buff. If she's gonna get power crept then there's gonna be more crazy support in the future. It's hard to predict the future, but if you think back in Genshin. Zhong Li's banner was in 1.1 and he's still probably top tier.
NOTHING in this game is a "must pull" you can literally clear the endgame with a solo team of Piper if you want and get S rank as long as you know what you're doing. There's a youtuber doing just that, solo clear of critical node 7 with solo Piper. You do NOT need to pull at all. That being said, Caesar is the strongest unit in the game atm in regards to everything other than DPS (unless you have her at M6 in which case she is on par DPS wise with Jane Doe)
This word should not exist in zzz the characters are way more restricted in this game then any other hoyo games even if they release furina lvl of character her pull value will be way less bc of faction and element restriction and core passive being locked to it.
I'm focusing in DPS agents and getting their signature weapons, that's why I'm skiping Ceasar. I prefer to have more solid teams with weapons since in my pov f2p weapons are almost all trash
Silver wolf is amazing... but at no point have i ever needed her. And i have the same with this game. Like yes S ranks are amazing... nobody is a must pull. Powercreep is irrelevant since even in HSR 4 star (A rank) characters are good enough to beat the game with. let us stop with this ridiculous FOMO mentality please it's just there to make dumb people urge to bust out the wallet.
I just said this in another comment thread about ceaser. I’m skipping her, I don’t find her fun to play. We get to play her a bit in the story and certain events, and I did not like playing as her. Not saying she is bad just I personally don’t have fun playing with her. And you know what I don’t need ceaser, I have Ellen,zhu yuan, Jane, and eventually burnice. I have other characters I actually enjoy to play with and I’d much rather have fun than play with characters I don’t enjoy
You can complete the entire game S rank with F2P characters. Even with a full A Rank team. However, powercreep usually goes insane at some point in gacha, making some S ranks obligatory or making the skill ceiling so high you would suffer greatly without a "must pull".
I think that she is a very good character, with the most pull "value" we've seen from a character so far. However, I don't think skipping her will affect your account hardly at all in the long run. If this is the power we are seeing from an S rank Defense unit, S rank supports are practically guaranteed to be busted, and will almost certainly take Caesar's spot. I feel that she is a short term stop gap that is only a marginal upgrade in most teams, while being a pretty solid upgrade in others. I really believe people are overselling her as is. She is certainly fantastic, but I believe she is more situational that people are giving her credit for at the moment.
Thank god I'm not a meta slave it sounds so stressful and expensive The only must pulls for me are my favs, I agree with the statement powercreep doesn't exist it can't hurt you, if you're not a meta player that is Even if a strong ice damage dealer comes out, it doesn't mean my Ellen can't S rank clear, you know? It might take a few seconds longer or something.... I've been clearing all of endgame easily with Zhu+Nicolle, and Jane on the other team solo, now I have ceasar so she fits in all my teams
I think meta doesn't matter in zzz if you're a skilled player. I got Caesar today but had cleared shiyu and everything already. She is comfy, and I like her, but meta dependency only means you don't have the skill to clear with off meta teams, or you haven't met the investment thresholds and stat goals to make them viable. None of this applies to mobile players, though. I'm so terrible on mobile, I need every advantage I can get, so I do sympathize with those strictly mobile players. Caesar, like Zhongli, is a mobile monster, same reason I love Neuvi.
@@positivelyno Yeah, enough stats solves everything currently, also the crazy skill people that are doing Ambush nodes with level 20 characters lol. Caesar does give a lot of stats in buffs tho
I don’t think she’s a must pull but you are gonna get the most bang for your buck if you choose to pull her. It’s early it’s hard to know what kind of characters are gonna break the game wide open
Silverwolf wasnt even a must pull on release, only content creators said that and majority of the 0 cycle peeps recommend pela and not sw, but i do agree that with our current limited characters released so far in zzz, she is the must pull of the bunch, the fact that she makes 1 side comfortable while providing buffs, just like zhongli is a life saver for most players especially those with skill issue. Even now zhongli usage rate is still high at top 3, which is impressive for a comfort unit.
Usually CC saying things are "not must pull" is because they are afraid of backlash. If people are dumb and can't use the character correctly or a nerf hits then the CC gets blamed. This is your problem for writing guides and stuff. When you can't commit due to fear then your opinion matters nothing.
I just started myself. 2 days before Jane Doe's banner ended coz I did a horny pull, failed and walked away with no regrets (except not getting rat waifu). As the resident newbie, I am a bit confused. Lace said that Burnice is an S rank DPS, but based on my limited understanding of the game, I could have sworn she is an Anomaly character. Does that mean Burnice is much stronger than someone in the Attacker class of the same rarity?
Burnice is a anomaly sub dps that is meant to apply burn off field so that another on field anomaly can apply disorder,she can also work with fire teams,but in anyway she’s still not a dps,just a sub dps
She's basically the Zhongli of this game. Now just think that ZZZ will most likely add more and more challenging combat-related content compared to Genshin? Why wouldn't you want to have her? About as close to a must-pull as you can get.
I think it might just be a issue of wording more then anything, Must Pull makes people feel pressure or fomo , or else its over, in Caesar's case its more of a Mega Super Worth a pull, i got her and lucky enough to get her weapon in 20 pulls, even if they whip out a broken support next i am fairly confident my 1000 Atk, 25% debuff dmg increase,Weapon +18% dmg increase... wont be surpassed by much still you never know might be some crazy mechanic :}
My only thing is that i tend to avoid characters that would make me not want to use someone i like more. Like the piper beyblade is peak content for me. Jane was kinda cool but i like piper way more, so i avoided pulling jane because i can be min maxy, so id end up playing jane even though i like her less cause shes stronger and then have less fun as a result. But all this savings means im going for the whole calydon crew - of which all their designs are 10/10
its like zhongli before, he was must pull, but when the time gi release many characters, and many team comps possible, zhongli usage decline. Im sure ceasar salad, is must pull, as of now, cuz of lack of characters in the game.
Even now Zhongli is barely a damage decrease. I've been using him since his release, hes been on one side of the abyss since his launch and he's never felt like a damage decrease. Caesar will most likely be the same.
do u even play genshin? he wasn't a must pull at release lmao, so devs buffed him to where he is now. And usage decline? bro check version 5.0 genshin abyss usage he is like top 3 what do u mean decline. Sure his buffing capabilities isnt as big as limited supports, but the fact is he makes 1 side completely comfortable. Theres a reason why most most of the old limited dps like in version 1 to version 2, have way lower usage rate or non existent anymore compared to like zhongli who doesnt even get to below 50% usage, most of the time zhongli usage rate is like 70% or above even now.
Zhongli abyss usage remains one of the highest tho. You have no clue what you are on about. certain characters benefit from never being interrupted. Genshin and ZZZ play so differently, this comparison makes no sense
@@Teccytone dude, pre zhongli buff, his shield is good enough for that version content, and thats why he buff, cuz he is the archon of liyue, and liyue is the representaion of china, and mihoyo dont want to mess with chinese players. zhongli usage is not the same as before dendro release, like must pull. zhongli still OP in terms of shield and comfort, but because of dendro and furina, healers more usage than shielding as of now.
For me who only just got to proxy lv 50 and is still struggling to get my second team up to lv 50 let alone my primary up to lv 60 Caesar has been a god send most of my team only have 2 5 star discs I have been playing casually since day 1 I and seriously since Qingyi banner the resources squeeze is too much. Caesar is insane for early game or casual players. My only 5 star DPs is Zhu Yuan but I am fine with piper and billy(if you play him right). I think Caesar is more important than getting a dps because you can always get standard banner dps you can only get Caesar from limited.
The standard banner DPSs are S11 who I don't have but seems fine from the bit I got to use her in stuff and Nekomata who is...pretty bad, I like her character personally but, even in ideal situations (with her sig w-engine, attacking from behind, above average luck) she's....mid, and there is no guarantee you get either. Hell, I only just got Lucy because of the free one from the current event and didn't get Piper til just recently either, so especially if someone is pulling less cause they are saving, there is no guantee they have any given agent, much less a S-rank. In my 10 S-ranks across 562 pulls, I got Rina 3 times, and of my 4 S-Ranks on the Stable channel, 2 were W-engines, neither for an Agent I had at the time (my last S-Rank on the exclusive channel when I lost the 50-50 on Jane's banner was Grace, whose engine I had pulled earlier). Someone with slightly worse luck/timing to me, who decided to save more, could be in even rougher shape. So, like, not pulling is as dangerous as pulling poorly and because it is rather random, someone could end up in a really rough spot fairly trivially this early on in the game.
There's no such thing. Not even close, especially in an action game like ZZZ where you can leverage player skill beyond just character kit. HSR characters are going to be the same for everyone. I skipped Qingyi who everyone said was must pull and im doing fine with my Anby and Koleda. I failed Caesar 50/50 and got Rina who went into the same team slot Caesar was going to take in my Ellen comp. Characters will have unique lits and some might offer more than others but if you can clear the game through plaher skill, your character roster literally doesnt matter
I'm sitting at 21 pulls to hard pity with 22 pulls in my inventory. I really wanted Jane but I only had 150 pulls and lost the 50-50. I'm pretty meh on Caesar, I suck at parry and she felt really clunky and I'm using Anton as my main DPS, I feel kinda interested in Burnice but not super excited, but pretty meh on all the other confirmed upcomoing S-ranks. So I'm left feeling unsure. Do I pull Caesar and keep using Anton, do I wait for Burnice and risk pulling a mid DPS, do I just save and keep languishing?
The more you dig into the meta the more u realize how pointless gatcha games r. Like other ppl have said, everything is clearable with minimal pulling and zero spending. You have to ask urself that if all these characters could be unlocked by playing the story, would u still enjoy the game? Otherwise you’re just playing to flex, and for vanity. Ofc if ur new to gaming then finding something popular w/ fun mechanics would be enough. Or u could be playing to have something to talk about w friend.
the concept of must pull only matters if you care about meta. And if you do care about meta then Caesar is 100% a must pull. I'd even argue that if you don't care about meta all that much she's close to being a must pull because she can allow you to play your mid units without them feeling like trash; Caesar unironically makes Billy a competitive agent for endgame clears
Billy already can solo the Shiyu defense xd
I disagree, if you care about meta, it actually makes more sense to wait for a dedicated support. Caesar is a marginal upgrade in a lot of meta teams, and a pretty good upgrade in non meta teams (BIlly, Corin). Her spot will almost definitely be replaced once we get an S rank support, which could be soon considering we have yet to get one.
She's only a must pull in terms of comfort. Her 1000 attack buff is not something unique to her, Soukaku has it as well. And Lucy's while not as good, is still quite high. But in terms of comfort: nobody else comes close. It's super easy to have 100% shield up time and never take damage from anything.
Forgetting the fact her gameplay might not be for everyone
A rank dps are already competitive before ceasar, we have many yt vids showcasing this.
caesar is CLEARLY not a must pull to clear content but is she good lookin, have fun gameplay and convenient? YES!
Caesar is the biggest enabler in the game so far, and I think the strongest part of her kit isn't her buffs, or even the protection her shield gives, but rather the hyper-armor.
We're seeing more and more aggressive and tag team bosses (eg Ambush node Dual Thanatos, Razor + Shadow Jane, etc). These new bosses disproportionately gimp the 1.0 and 1.1 characters, because a lot of their kit revolves around long animation attacks or getting to the end of chains. Ellen has long animations and windup in charged Scissor Strike to get Freeze charges, Zhu Yuan's Suppression shot charges take a long time to empty, Billy's C6 buffs rely on not getting hit, Corin is a sitting duck during her BA4, BA6, EX and Special, etc.
Caesar's shield hyperarmor enables older, slower Attack characters to get the full DPS value out of their kit without getting interrupted out of their combos and animations, or having to dodge out of combos and lose DPS.
Can you still S-Rank Ambush Node 4 & 5 without Caesar? Absolutely. Does she bring a massive QoL to fighting these types of bosses? Also absolutely. Yanagi may be a sign of the meta change - she has built-in anti-interrupt in her Upper Chord and offensive interrupt in her Lower Chord. This may be the devs adjusting the game to a faster paced, more aggressive combat style, and Caesar keeps the older units relevant.
So lace, I've been here since the Princess connect clan battle days, I helped manage a top 50 clan and that was back when Makoto and even base Jun was basically required to do CB content. I only consider "Must pulls" if it is a character that is required to do content. As you know Jun and Makoto was REQUIRED for new accounts for what seemed the first year of the game, no ifs, ands, or buts. If you didn't reroll you account then and get them both then odds are there wasn't a single top 50 and even 100 clan that wanted you. A must pull to me should be that; a character that needs to be had to complete content. Same with S.Kyaru, same with Chris, Muimi, Neneka, and finally the god herself, NY.Kyaru. If you didn't have these characters build, or had them built wrong, that was a instant kick. For the people reading my content who weren't there; people would skip almost a year to make sure they had at least had a max 300 pulls saved to make sure these characters were on their rosters.
Thankfully, this game is skill and resource management game. I mean there is a madlad who spend 9 hours doing Hollow Zero clearing every battle with JUST Soldier 11. Right now the game is in a spot where creativity with team building technically is the meta and i don't think there is a must pull. .... YET. You can look back in the last few banner and ask yourself, is there really anyone you regret not pulling in ZZZ and so far the answer is not really. Then again i feel like in 4 patches I am gonna eat my words, but we will pay that toll road when we get there.
Definitely not a must pull. I cleared this (especially Floor 5) in S rank without Ceasar in one go (ez 780 polychromes). If I could still do the next content or even future content in S rank with 1.0-1.1 characters? Then I wont pull unless it will DRASTICALLY benefit both of my teams.
Same lol
Yea I mean NOTHING in this game is a "must pull" you can literally clear the endgame with a solo team of Piper if you want and get S rank as long as you know what you're doing. There's a youtuber doing just that, solo clear of critical node 7 with solo Piper. You do NOT need to pull at all.
That being said, Caesar is the strongest unit in the game atm in regards to everything other than DPS (unless you have her at M6 in which case she is on par DPS wise with Jane Doe)
Most ZZZ fans who really loved it + can keep up pulling for every or most characters will agree with you.
Clearing missions is possible even when using only the starter charcters, but the more important is to have fun and experince that are come through collect new Agents.
for a F2P perspective she is a must pull cuz as an F2p player I dont have to build every element type bis teams so I need to choose my pull wisely and Caesar she can be stunner and support for any team thats a must pull for me because of Caesar I can get which dps I want and I can skip specific bis stunner so I can get specific bis support or viceversa
Caesar + Lucy core also just works really well for any main DPS character.
SW was never a must pull. people always said that when more charcters come out SW will drop. thats why alot of people skipped her. The first must pull in HSR was RM which is ofc our first limited support. After that it was Acheron, Robin, Fei and some include Firefly (2 supp + 3 dps; supports have stayed the same since their release). so yeah there's only been 5 must pulls but there have been alot of strong characters which can still clear.
personally id add adventurine/boothill to the list above but at the end of the day ur sustain is ur sustain.
There are no must pulls in a game that can very easily be S cleared on all A Ranks.
Any meta in an effectively single player game only potentially matters if the effectiveness of the strongest teams actually provide a tangible benefit. In a game that's also time and energy gated, the concept of meta matters even less by default (no effective farming strategies by doing faster clears).
If there was a mode that was very hard to clear, either on time or in terms of survival, I'd agree that someone like Caesar would be highly beneficial and there could perhaps an argument be made that she's a "must pull" for certain accounts and player demographics. But as it stands, calling any character a must pull in ZZZ is like calling the newest iphone a must buy.
I clared the last one with ben, lucy and jane lol nice thoughts, you just need to level up and get disks to clear everything, even if this week buff is shield based to make people go for ceaser you don't really need her
Best character on my account is Jane Doe. I got Ellen (built), Zhu Yuan (built), and their supports mostly built. I did the test run/ story missions/events with Caesar and although she did well I feel that she is just not need, so I am skipping. But with that said, I have not cleared the hardest content yet so maybe that is when she will truly shine.
Anyway good video!
The concept of "must pull" is differet from person to person anyway. My must pull consists of cute and funny girls.
I'd say Caesar is a slightly better version of Zhongli and Zhongli is not very used nowadays anymore because the meta in genshin has just evolved to very specific team comps that doesn't have space for a shielder like Zhongli. I can see the same happening to Caesar like 3 years from now, but as of now I think she's too good of a character not to use with characters like Ellen or Corin who needs a lot of field time and vulnerable to being interrupted, even if they're playable without Caesar (since I can only play Caesar with one team, Ellen has to sweaty game her side with Anby). The biggest difference between Caesar and Silver Wolf is that SW was expensive to use in a team (skill point wise) and actively detrimental, meanwhile Caesar can slot into literally any team and you can either field her for a long duration or just pop a shield and then swap to someone else.
At the end of the day it just depends on what team you end up going for, I still use SW on my main team today with Acheron. I'm more of the opinion that Huohuo is the most must-pull character in HSR because no one can cleanse as much as her and trivialize multiple boss mechanics, but that kind of utility is not interesting to most people who engage in discussing who the must-pull characters are.
People still use Zhongli constantly in meta teams for Neuvilette, Arlecchino etc. Even old DPSs like Xiao and Wanderer.
"Zhongli is not very used nowadays" is there a source to this? just look at abyss usage rate from 4.0 to 5.0 the dude has like 60 to 70% usage rate, compare that to the version old dps like hu tao, ganyu, etc. I will say that the only difference they have is that zhongli has a bigger shield than caesar, but caesar has a bigger offensive buff than zhongli.
@@Teccytone Exactly, I see Zhongli used constantly x3
Though I would say another point is that Caesar's shield is very quick to apply so it doesn't matter that much that it's small
@@Teccytone I don't keep up with meta as much nowadays and ended up using my impression from half a version ago, but I guess he's really used nowadays so good for him.
tbh silver wolf aged pretty well, she's still a top choice for an Acheron team. I wouldn't say pull SW if she reruns but if i got her from the early 1.x then it wasnt a complete waste. Meanwhile Seele is completely outclassed. Caesar def makes the game a lot easier with her shield and on top of that damage buff. If she's gonna get power crept then there's gonna be more crazy support in the future. It's hard to predict the future, but if you think back in Genshin. Zhong Li's banner was in 1.1 and he's still probably top tier.
I completed ambush node just fine without Caesar. If she is supposed to be must pull then they gotta try much much harder lmao
NOTHING in this game is a "must pull" you can literally clear the endgame with a solo team of Piper if you want and get S rank as long as you know what you're doing. There's a youtuber doing just that, solo clear of critical node 7 with solo Piper. You do NOT need to pull at all.
That being said, Caesar is the strongest unit in the game atm in regards to everything other than DPS (unless you have her at M6 in which case she is on par DPS wise with Jane Doe)
This word should not exist in zzz the characters are way more restricted in this game then any other hoyo games even if they release furina lvl of character her pull value will be way less bc of faction and element restriction and core passive being locked to it.
I'm focusing in DPS agents and getting their signature weapons, that's why I'm skiping Ceasar. I prefer to have more solid teams with weapons since in my pov f2p weapons are almost all trash
Silver wolf is amazing... but at no point have i ever needed her. And i have the same with this game. Like yes S ranks are amazing... nobody is a must pull. Powercreep is irrelevant since even in HSR 4 star (A rank) characters are good enough to beat the game with. let us stop with this ridiculous FOMO mentality please it's just there to make dumb people urge to bust out the wallet.
I just said this in another comment thread about ceaser. I’m skipping her, I don’t find her fun to play. We get to play her a bit in the story and certain events, and I did not like playing as her. Not saying she is bad just I personally don’t have fun playing with her. And you know what I don’t need ceaser, I have Ellen,zhu yuan, Jane, and eventually burnice. I have other characters I actually enjoy to play with and I’d much rather have fun than play with characters I don’t enjoy
You can complete the entire game S rank with F2P characters. Even with a full A Rank team. However, powercreep usually goes insane at some point in gacha, making some S ranks obligatory or making the skill ceiling so high you would suffer greatly without a "must pull".
Nothing screams poor than me using a Stun Wengine on Caeser since a defense impact a rank doesn't exist...
I Wish I could recall my Silver Wolf 🥲
I think that she is a very good character, with the most pull "value" we've seen from a character so far. However, I don't think skipping her will affect your account hardly at all in the long run. If this is the power we are seeing from an S rank Defense unit, S rank supports are practically guaranteed to be busted, and will almost certainly take Caesar's spot. I feel that she is a short term stop gap that is only a marginal upgrade in most teams, while being a pretty solid upgrade in others. I really believe people are overselling her as is. She is certainly fantastic, but I believe she is more situational that people are giving her credit for at the moment.
Waifu/Husbando over Meta, always
Thank god I'm not a meta slave it sounds so stressful and expensive
The only must pulls for me are my favs, I agree with the statement powercreep doesn't exist it can't hurt you, if you're not a meta player that is
Even if a strong ice damage dealer comes out, it doesn't mean my Ellen can't S rank clear, you know? It might take a few seconds longer or something....
I've been clearing all of endgame easily with Zhu+Nicolle, and Jane on the other team solo, now I have ceasar so she fits in all my teams
Especially because everything will be mysteriously ice weak if there's a new ice character on banner
I think meta doesn't matter in zzz if you're a skilled player. I got Caesar today but had cleared shiyu and everything already. She is comfy, and I like her, but meta dependency only means you don't have the skill to clear with off meta teams, or you haven't met the investment thresholds and stat goals to make them viable.
None of this applies to mobile players, though. I'm so terrible on mobile, I need every advantage I can get, so I do sympathize with those strictly mobile players. Caesar, like Zhongli, is a mobile monster, same reason I love Neuvi.
@@positivelyno Yeah, enough stats solves everything currently, also the crazy skill people that are doing Ambush nodes with level 20 characters lol. Caesar does give a lot of stats in buffs tho
@@positivelyno Mobile player here, I have s cleared all content without ceasar, so I think this still applies to some of us.
I don’t think she’s a must pull but you are gonna get the most bang for your buck if you choose to pull her. It’s early it’s hard to know what kind of characters are gonna break the game wide open
Silverwolf wasnt even a must pull on release, only content creators said that and majority of the 0 cycle peeps recommend pela and not sw, but i do agree that with our current limited characters released so far in zzz, she is the must pull of the bunch, the fact that she makes 1 side comfortable while providing buffs, just like zhongli is a life saver for most players especially those with skill issue. Even now zhongli usage rate is still high at top 3, which is impressive for a comfort unit.
No no no, the must pull is who ever makes you think... this is fun, me like. There is no such thing as a must pull, it just be personal preference.
Caesar makes the game easier.
Usually CC saying things are "not must pull" is because they are afraid of backlash. If people are dumb and can't use the character correctly or a nerf hits then the CC gets blamed. This is your problem for writing guides and stuff. When you can't commit due to fear then your opinion matters nothing.
I just started myself. 2 days before Jane Doe's banner ended coz I did a horny pull, failed and walked away with no regrets (except not getting rat waifu).
As the resident newbie, I am a bit confused.
Lace said that Burnice is an S rank DPS, but based on my limited understanding of the game, I could have sworn she is an Anomaly character. Does that mean Burnice is much stronger than someone in the Attacker class of the same rarity?
Burnice is a anomaly sub dps that is meant to apply burn off field so that another on field anomaly can apply disorder,she can also work with fire teams,but in anyway she’s still not a dps,just a sub dps
She's basically the Zhongli of this game. Now just think that ZZZ will most likely add more and more challenging combat-related content compared to Genshin? Why wouldn't you want to have her? About as close to a must-pull as you can get.
I think it might just be a issue of wording more then anything, Must Pull makes people feel pressure or fomo , or else its over, in Caesar's case its more of a Mega Super Worth a pull, i got her and lucky enough to get her weapon in 20 pulls, even if they whip out a broken support next i am fairly confident my 1000 Atk, 25% debuff dmg increase,Weapon +18% dmg increase... wont be surpassed by much still you never know might be some crazy mechanic :}
My only thing is that i tend to avoid characters that would make me not want to use someone i like more. Like the piper beyblade is peak content for me. Jane was kinda cool but i like piper way more, so i avoided pulling jane because i can be min maxy, so id end up playing jane even though i like her less cause shes stronger and then have less fun as a result.
But all this savings means im going for the whole calydon crew - of which all their designs are 10/10
its like zhongli before, he was must pull, but when the time gi release many characters, and many team comps possible, zhongli usage decline. Im sure ceasar salad, is must pull, as of now, cuz of lack of characters in the game.
Even now Zhongli is barely a damage decrease. I've been using him since his release, hes been on one side of the abyss since his launch and he's never felt like a damage decrease. Caesar will most likely be the same.
do u even play genshin? he wasn't a must pull at release lmao, so devs buffed him to where he is now. And usage decline? bro check version 5.0 genshin abyss usage he is like top 3 what do u mean decline. Sure his buffing capabilities isnt as big as limited supports, but the fact is he makes 1 side completely comfortable. Theres a reason why most most of the old limited dps like in version 1 to version 2, have way lower usage rate or non existent anymore compared to like zhongli who doesnt even get to below 50% usage, most of the time zhongli usage rate is like 70% or above even now.
Zhongli abyss usage remains one of the highest tho. You have no clue what you are on about. certain characters benefit from never being interrupted. Genshin and ZZZ play so differently, this comparison makes no sense
@@Teccytone dude, pre zhongli buff, his shield is good enough for that version content, and thats why he buff, cuz he is the archon of liyue, and liyue is the representaion of china, and mihoyo dont want to mess with chinese players. zhongli usage is not the same as before dendro release, like must pull. zhongli still OP in terms of shield and comfort, but because of dendro and furina, healers more usage than shielding as of now.
"zhongli usage decline" blud's in the top5 usage every new abyss update 💀
Silverwolf slander? Hell yeah
I just new player have jane doe,, need 2nd dps team,, maybe i will pull her on rerun
For me who only just got to proxy lv 50 and is still struggling to get my second team up to lv 50 let alone my primary up to lv 60 Caesar has been a god send most of my team only have 2 5 star discs I have been playing casually since day 1 I and seriously since Qingyi banner the resources squeeze is too much. Caesar is insane for early game or casual players. My only 5 star DPs is Zhu Yuan but I am fine with piper and billy(if you play him right). I think Caesar is more important than getting a dps because you can always get standard banner dps you can only get Caesar from limited.
The standard banner DPSs are S11 who I don't have but seems fine from the bit I got to use her in stuff and Nekomata who is...pretty bad, I like her character personally but, even in ideal situations (with her sig w-engine, attacking from behind, above average luck) she's....mid, and there is no guarantee you get either. Hell, I only just got Lucy because of the free one from the current event and didn't get Piper til just recently either, so especially if someone is pulling less cause they are saving, there is no guantee they have any given agent, much less a S-rank.
In my 10 S-ranks across 562 pulls, I got Rina 3 times, and of my 4 S-Ranks on the Stable channel, 2 were W-engines, neither for an Agent I had at the time (my last S-Rank on the exclusive channel when I lost the 50-50 on Jane's banner was Grace, whose engine I had pulled earlier). Someone with slightly worse luck/timing to me, who decided to save more, could be in even rougher shape.
So, like, not pulling is as dangerous as pulling poorly and because it is rather random, someone could end up in a really rough spot fairly trivially this early on in the game.
There's no such thing. Not even close, especially in an action game like ZZZ where you can leverage player skill beyond just character kit. HSR characters are going to be the same for everyone.
I skipped Qingyi who everyone said was must pull and im doing fine with my Anby and Koleda. I failed Caesar 50/50 and got Rina who went into the same team slot Caesar was going to take in my Ellen comp.
Characters will have unique lits and some might offer more than others but if you can clear the game through plaher skill, your character roster literally doesnt matter
i got her S rank for Ben :)
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I'm sitting at 21 pulls to hard pity with 22 pulls in my inventory. I really wanted Jane but I only had 150 pulls and lost the 50-50. I'm pretty meh on Caesar, I suck at parry and she felt really clunky and I'm using Anton as my main DPS, I feel kinda interested in Burnice but not super excited, but pretty meh on all the other confirmed upcomoing S-ranks. So I'm left feeling unsure. Do I pull Caesar and keep using Anton, do I wait for Burnice and risk pulling a mid DPS, do I just save and keep languishing?
The more you dig into the meta the more u realize how pointless gatcha games r. Like other ppl have said, everything is clearable with minimal pulling and zero spending.
You have to ask urself that if all these characters could be unlocked by playing the story, would u still enjoy the game? Otherwise you’re just playing to flex, and for vanity.
Ofc if ur new to gaming then finding something popular w/ fun mechanics would be enough. Or u could be playing to have something to talk about w friend.
youtubers backtracking on glazing caesar as a must pull gotta be the funiest shit ever
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