I built my yukong at the start of the game and finally got her e6 recently 💪. I still use her from time to time but I’m honestly waiting for a 4pc energy regen set and more options for energy regen lcs to make her buff more frequent
@@kidsIIIII009 most people prefer bronya's signature LC because when paired with E1, she becomes sp positive though i could see why some people would want sparkle's LC
they could make some unit that has a skill with blast damage but you can spend as much SP as you want adding like 80% attack worth of damage or something to that blast attack
The funny part about Moze is how bad he was during beta. Like his kit looked good in paper but every number was way too high or way too low and he needed E6 to even be considered a unit. Like he genuinely made Arlan look good. Now look at him! Enabler of the first all male team and strong 4 star❤
The worst stage of his kit in the beta was when he had 7 charges instead of 9 and he needed to consume them all before he could use a follow-up attack.
Honorable mention to Gallagher. At first, people had no purpose for him. Then we found out that he is really good in the hyper break team and he is meta ever since
@brolysupersaiyan1634 I think Gallagher is more so a Topaz type situation where they both got released before their respective meta (fua and break) Moze was just really bad in beta before the last update
It has come to a point where I'm more excited for the 4 star than the 5 star. The past three 4 stars; Gallagher, Hunt March and Moze have all been unique in their own way. Gallagher is more of a DPS than a healer but still more budget friendly than his 5 star counterpart Lingsha. Hunt March is just like Jade but single targeted and provide some neat buffs as well. Moze has a unique gimmick of disappearing on field and providing follow-up attack buffs like he's 4 star Topaz. The next 4 star to come out in the next patch will have a unique gimmick to them that can make them worthwhile investments.
I want Gallagher badly, but pulling for 4 stars is so cancer :/, pulled 110 pulls and got Moze E1 and I pulled Feixiao and Robin, I got 2 5 stars before I got 2 Moze.
@@ladyliz0862 I mean, I kinda don't want to start building him at E1 tbh, started at 2.4 I think I'm better off artifact farming. E2 would've been an easier sell
@@IgnasVhow about the events?, did you miss them?, cause there was like 2 (or 3, not sure) events where you could pick Gallagher for free (it was a 4 star character selector where you can choose one of multiple 4 stars, and I always chose Gallagher). If you missed them then I don't know what to say except I hope he /you get him at least E2 by sheer luck or he comes on a banner that you want. Also kinda Same on Moze, i pulled more than 200 pulls and got Robin, lost 50/50 on Feixiao and then got Feixiao and i only had E3 Moze by the time i was finished, i did a 10 pull yesterday though and got two more copies of him, so he's E5 now, i literally jumped out of my seat when I got TWO of him, good luck if you're still trying to get him
As a Luka main, Im happy i get to used him this patch. The MoC and apocalyptic has Aventurine which is where my Luka hid hard (combine with HMC). Happy as well he got in game charcter development arc as well.😊
I agree with your Arlan stun idea. If he’s the only one on the team and he’s stun the battle ends but otherwise he’s just basically immortal. There’s something similar like this in AFK Journey and it works really well
We don’t need a 4 star Ruan Mei, we just need a 4 star Harmony AOE buffer that isn’t a pure ATK steroid. Let Ruan Mei do her thing as the Weakness Break Efficiency person, while the hypothetical 4 star is just an AOE dmg and res/def pen. The two won’t work together nearly as good, because Ruan Mei’s utility outside of FireBreak is her ability to facilitate dual DPS comps.
that would become Asta Yukong Variant. Asta Buff still stupid on this day that Give you 60% Atk speed, and Some Fire dmg Bonus. and With Cogs her Speed buff can be keep up like entire 2 turn. i Try Asta in DoT Team and Compare it To somehow like Ruan Mei or Robin. in this MoC its only Different 1 cycle. thats really amazing and if they ever make new *4 Ruan mei and for DoT and the result just like asta..... then there is no point Really.
there's been pretty much a 4 star equivalent(or 5 star standard) of a limited 5 star EXCEPT ruan mei. HMC isn't quite the same since it can't make enemies take break damage a second time, but rather, no weakness break efficiency. pure attack buffs? asta, yukong, hanya and tingyun exists need crit damage buffs? bronya, or yukong if you don't have bronya battery? tingyun skill point generation? hanya speed buffs? asta for teamwide buff and hanya for hypercarry buffing it's literally just weakness break efficiency that we're missing for the 4 star roster.
Another specially important thing you forgot to mention is that Gallagher is one of the most SP positive characters in the game due to his basic-ult-basic combo and his ability to run the Multiplication LC. It's also why people pair him with Robin while using Quid Pro Quo to enable her ult faster, so all in all he's a character that has something for pretty much every team in the game. It's honestly kind of crazy how strong and versatile he is for a 4*, and comparing him to Natasha even gets sad for the girl.
It's interesting how much they've improved designs since 1.0, as mentioned Natasha E6 was health scaling on basics which literally became a basic feature for all defense and health scaling characters(to scale with their primary stat), with Blade being the first one I believe. Also how March, Gepard and Fire MC used to have attack scaling's AND ascension traces. 4 stars weren't the only ones to have crap eidolons back then, at E4 Gepard your team gets 20% Effect Res and don't get me started on his E6. Back then I saw E4 Bronya and went wow a follow-up on auto? now I'm like okay so for not using my skill I get a follow-up... if they have wind weakness... bruh.
@@curryfishheadenjoyer I mean, there's some kinda standouts, like blades e4 being pretty decent, himekos being good and bailus being kinda nice but niche
It proba ly helps they relase a few 4 stars so every new one has to sell. In Genshin. So many 4 stars were released and the 1.0 characters are still on top.
@@Beanichu fire MC is the least preservation of any units -the shield is almost non existent, being carried by it's other buffs like damage reduction to allies -her main niche, taunting enemies, has been usurped by yunli -shitty scalings so you can't even build her as a dps she tried to be everything at once, but ended up being a weaker dps, tank, shielder because of it
I have ruan mei but I'm gonna be a galaxy Ranger collector and if it ends up that all of them are going to be break characters I'm gonna need a second option for a second team 😭
Gallagher is funny because the fact his healing does not scale with anything and instead is simply a flat amount dictated by by his traces, this allows him to provide some of the highest raw healing per point of any sustain. And because of his flat numbers, an Outgoing Healing chest and Break Effect as per his ascension trace makes full healing characters pretty easy. I also think it’s interesting Yukong came right after Moze in the video. I think it’s tragic how tremendous Yukong’s buffs are but she needs so much speed tuning to work. But if Moze isn’t on field, then Yukong’s Roaring Bowstrings buff will always work as intended: the main carry will benefit, the sustain will take one, but Moze will fit in a FUA at some point during Roaring Bowstrings. Yukong is still bad compared to easier units but a whole ass character who leaves turn order makes her feasible.
yea and right before 2.1 I was convinced Gallagher would be trash (I also thought healing by attacking is stupid), and much worse than Lynx, so I was shocked that he turned out be actually really good and much better than Lynx
the thing about the newer 4 stars is that they enable/buff the 5 stars mihoyo like the most. gallagher was first a good healer for acheron, then he became an even better healer for firefly. moze/march enable feixiao to function well without some cope fua like ratio, where march was given out for free. firefly would be garbage without stelle to enable super break. mihoyo know all this and gave them out for free so that players will have a bigger incentive to pull on these characters. ratio was given out for free to kickstart everyones fua teams, which lets mihoyo make characters like robin and aventurine without players needing certain 5 stars to get any decent use of them.
Its funny to me how genshin and star rail had opposite four star problems. Genshins 1.0 four star roster was amazing, while star rail 1.0 four stars are extremly mediocre besides pela tingyun and maybe asta. even genshins early four star releases with rosaria and diona are very solid compared to the absolute garbage that came out in inazuma and sumeru. part of me feels like making the 1.0 four stars bad in star rail was intentional so they could only go up from there LOL
@@jmoak14 sampo is just a kafka enabler. but then again all the other 4 star dot charas are just kafka enablers, just depends on which weakness needs breaking, qingque needs E4 to start doing something. sure you can use her without E4 but your damage pretty much doubles once you get that follow up attack xueyi is a pretty hard character to build, requiring BOTH crit and break effect, but once she gets to be built she can rival 5* dps hanya is just f2p sparkle. not quite the same but she's your choice for SP hungry teams
@@azurisageI genuinely forget Mika even exists, literally no one talks about him or uses him, it doesn't even feel like he's really a character in the game
@@azurisage Mika's doing pretty alright after Furina got released. He's one of the best options you can play for Wriothesley, Wanderer and Eula for their Furina teams.
@@kateliza8922 If you look at the bigger picture? Not really. March only works well in FUA teams because she relies on getting extra actions and her shifu frequently attacking. Her usefulness is immensely dampered if she was with a non-FUA character. Gallagher *is* a healer which can technically fit into any team, sure, but his speciality is undoubtedly the supplemental break damage and weakness break he can do alongside that. The healing is almost an afterthought for him.
Arguably, with the release of Divergent Universe, the exceptionally non-Meta 4 stars can be seeing some love again. Take Ice March for example. I've used her a lot even during SU expansions, since her freeze capabilities can be pretty OP in Rememberance run scenarios, and how her shield can be used as an aggro, it can also be useful for a fun Arlan Divergent Universe run. Yes, Arlan is pretty fun if you have the correct (premium buffers) teammates for him. His ults charges really fast, he needs no skill points and he hits pretty hard in these roguelike modes. Misha's also can be good in a Rememberance run since his freezing capabilities are closely similar to Ice March (albeit a bit weaker, but EHR can help you with it), but will get pretty negligible if you own Jingliu. Regular Dan Heng can also be a very good unit for a triple DPS with The Hunt as your path, since he's pretty good at dishing final blows and giving a minor slow debuff onto enemies. Pair him with Welt and Dr. Ratio, you'll have a variety team of debuff oriented units that dishes out bombs from the grace of Crit Rate gacha (critting is always gacha, even at 100%+, remember that folks) Idk if the developers foreseen this, but with their addition to permanent, repeatable roguelike gamemodes are now a saving grace to these 'underwhelming' roster of characters, and they just keeps on giving us excuses that these characters is good enough and really have their fair uses outside of the real endgame Meta and can still give you the intended fun as advertised. Although outside of this seemingly unintentional pros, I do agree that we would love to see more powerful and competitive 4 stars characters in the future for accessibility's and newer player's sake and to balance out the Meta going forward. Being too developed too fast in this type of gameplay in a live service system can be bad for their longevity, and as a big fan of the game, I would hate to see that happen, since I want this game to live on for as long as time would allow. (The story and lore is so good mate, I can't fathom how it's the number one thing I anticipate every god damn patch)
Honestly, the nicest thing about DU is that it builds the characters for you so you can try them out without having to commit to building a whole character
The fact that a four star should be weaker cos they’re ’cheaper’ is just insane to me. I’ve gotten a bronya eidolon and feixiao all while trying to get just one moze this banner.
did you know guys... many LC nihiity have break effect scale.... even 5 star LC from herta, it give you more BE... and until now we dont have nihility character who scale his damage by BE...
@@reshmin0672 yes luka iirc is the only nihility that has either break and bleed playstyle. Being physical makes his break potential good but bc we have boothill rn it's kinda pushing luka more into bleed (dot) instead Though if the player is willing to invest in luka they can always play him in a superbreak team (rm-hmc)
@@mariethefan I believe it's just devs refusing to make a direct Path for Break teams and using the already existing Paths instead (If we talk about DU). Destruction and Nihility just got Break blessings all of the sudden, exactly when Boothill and Firefly were released... And they are the only characters who can benefit from that, really. There's even that one Nihility blessing that turns Boothill into the budget version of his own E6
in defense of Natasha she does have a heal overtime on her Ultimate from her E2 on allies healed from under 30% HP her heal scaling even without her Talent is actually on the higher end her physical typing is also really good for certain fights: I've seriously used her in ApocShadow (specifically doomsday beast and Aventurine) into physical weak and run Multiplication on her just like gallagher, she's able to 4 turn ult fairly quickly and her healing is sufficient to keep the team healed in AoE damaging scenarios, and her E4 energy can enable 3 turn ults if the enemies attack often enough meaning she can constantly burst heal the team north of 2000HP extremely often honestly a change on Natasha I would have liked to see is actually making her E6 add an extra unit of toughness damage, in the same way that Asta/Sampo/HMC's extra skill hits add extra toughness damage. This alone would give her her own unique niche as a physical chipper, and even give her slightly better play options into super break comps when physical weakness is needed/wanted
Tried her out recently as I needed a good Quantum other than Qingque, and.. Yeah! She's really strong. And I still haven't got her a proper relic set, so she can probably be even better..
I feel like Moze is continuing the Xueyi tradition of cracked 4 star DPS at E6. especially with a 5 star LC. Xueyi doesn't really have an ideal limited LC but Moze with Dr Ratio sig goes hard af (higher ceiling than Topaz LC). He's a bit easier to build as well, not needing break effect, just needs a lot of crit rate because he gets none from traces or elsewhere. They are both top tier in my mind, and building Xueyi the way she deserves is like a commitment for the lifetime of my account lol (90/180 with 240 break effect to actually max her trace, I wonder if it is possible 😂)
exactly!! what was going on in their mind when they named his traces "swift harvest" and "shackle breaker"??? the fact he literally works at the space station and has no correlation to harvests and shackles at all is insane
Silly argument. Whites were slaves long before blacks. More importantly Arlan isn't black, he is probably based on dark skinned asians due to his looks.
@@_leena3825 Get this he wasn’t even going to be dark skin in final game, he was way lightener and had blond hair in his beta self. I got jumped scared. They might as well not include these characters at all if they’re just going to mess them up. Do them right or don’t do it at all, they hurt no one if they just pick a side.
@@_leena3825There are a bunch of really subtle and not-so-subtle clues (His E5 is ‘hammer and tongs’ for crying out loud) linking him to the Firesmith clan, a tribe liberated from slavery by Nanook.
It would be interesting to have a "healer" that instead of healing can do a lot revives through its ultimate. 1 revive on allies after each ultimate use or smt...
I think I am noticing something in the way they have been making 4 stars lately. Basically, they make a 4 star's kit synergize a lot with the new 5 star, so that even though you get the 4 star "for cheaper", you still are incentivized to spend more for that 5 star to use the 4 star to their best ability Ex: - Xueyi and Ruan Mei, break - Misha and sparkle (though Misha isn't "as good" as the other 4 star releases), SP usage - Gallagher and Acheron/later superbreak, debuffs and break - hunt March and Feixiao/FUA - Moze and Feixiao/FUA
IMO Natasha is still fine cause she is the only physical sustain. I still use her in boothill teams for MOC12 over my e6gallagher to break toughness faster and in that team with Ruan Mei, she sustains just fine if not better than Gallagher at times
when i ask for good 4* units all i ask for is for me to be able to slot them in a team, invest in them, and have them actually be a positive rather than a negative. I'm not asking for a bennett or a xingqiu, i'm asking for a rosaria, a gaming, a kirara, a beidou etc. All units which usually in their teams are actually worth it to use. I'd rather have a moze which only really works in a few (if not just one) team comp and be actually good there than have a hook, an arlan or a march preservation which just kinda suck in any team comp you put them on, especially compared to the free units we got from events.
Still using Yukong with CRIT stats!! I just love her design, personality and background. But yeah, it's really hard to get her bonus, and the worst part is that she can't even buff herself (if I'm not mistaken)
She can, though it's only possible with E6 (Ult extends Skill buff by 1 ally turn) OR by running her solo/2-charac team only. Also it's really finicky since you have to use her Ult WHEN IT'S HER TURN to even have the chance to self-buff her in the first place...
this has made me inspired to make my own version of this, 1.0 characters and why they aren't "meta" anymore, and who "replaced" them. I really loved this video and found it so informative!
I'm guessing some of the people from this list would be Bailu, Jing Yuan, Gepard and Clara those three seem to be the bigger outliers and if we're talking four stars then natasha it is. I feel like the only standard banner characters that are relevant nowadays is Bronya who still has uses even with Robin and Ruan Mei running around and she has teams where she can be better than sparkle such as boothill. And Himeko might possibly be considered the best standard unit in the game due to how flexible she can be. Due to pf and super break. She might get buffed again next patch since rappa also has break mechanics in her kit. And the only 1.x four stars that stay relevant are tingyun, Herta(for PF) and pela.
Yukong never really failed imo, she's great but the requirements to make her good are too high. She really, really needs that e6 and you really really need to speed tune your team. If you've fulfilled these conditions she's busted asf. Also her "partner" was dragon heng where one turn you'd use her skill and ult and all sp on dh basic to do a massive nuke then other turn you'd regen sp. That was the idea when he came out at least. She clearly wasn't designed to spam her skill every turn and neither was dh, if you want to keep sp neutral with him every other team member would have to be +1 positive (no his ult offsetting doesn't count when it's clearly designed with e2 in mind which just gives himanother turn and the sp for that turn). Since Yukong's buff lasts 2 turns and with e2 dh can do 2 nukes back to back, well you see what she's for. turn 1: Yukong e -> dh turn -> (optional) yukong ult e6 +1 duration -> dh 3x sp basic -> dh e2 ult -> dh 3xscale basic -> subdps/supp -> sustain turn2: Yukong basic -> dh basic -> subdps/supp -> sustain repeat That way Yukong is sp neutral and dh is sp -2 (instead of -6) so the 2 turn sum of the slot 3 and 4 has to be +2 instead of +4. Also Robin and Ruan Mei don't make as many sp as some people would think, Ruan Mei is sp +1 not using her skill for energy and Robin can be anything from +1 to -1 depending on her regen, ult and skill for eng use.
The Chinese communities have joked how the new 4 stars are designed to be dowry for the 5 stars. Since you can basically get a solid team going with just the 5 star and then the 4 stars that they give that support their play style. Like Galagher and Harmony TB for Firefly and Moze and March for Feixiao. It increases sales but decreasing players worries about getting characters but not having the proper team to use them in.
Its weird to hear someone calling Gallagher fragile or hard to use, he has so much high base HP, trace and immunity to CC lol The fact his healings getting bonus from Break means hes free to not care about some relics main stats (that also includes healing body), so stacking def options shouldnt be a problem
@hayond656 I disagree. The healer that truly doesn't have any "emergency healing" is Huohuo. Gallagher's ult doesn't heal, but it advances himself 100% to act right next in order to attack again and heal the whole party, healing AND doing good fire toughness damage. In that sense, I'd say his ult is his emergency healing. The only time when this healing comes slightly late is when his ult is used right after the 1st action and before the extra action of an elite's or boss's turn, whereby that extra action would come first and potentially kill someone. Gallagher does so many things and is just a very good 4* healer. The best 4* healer I'd say.
@@Nothingity HuoHuo doesn't have an Ult heal yeah. But I was talking in context to people who Have actual Ult heals cuz they're "easier" than Gallagher's
Yukong does have something coming up for her...Moze is an example if it. xD Making their turn vanish means less people Yukong needs to keep her ult up on, Robin can even be used. Just need a unit that's SP positive. [Definitely a hard ask though]
Regarding Yukong, her buffs remain up during enemy turns. You can, for example, build a "slow" Yukong that goes last in the team order, paired with counterattackers like Clara and Yunli who'll benefit from all the enemies attacking them and dealing multiple instances of dmg without ticking down her bowstrings. This can also apply to allies who do FUA during a buffed ally's turn (for example, Jade/March following up after the main DPS attacks). There's also the case where characters who gain extra turns (Seele, E2 Firefly, Rappa, etc) also don't tick down Yukong's buff during those extra turns while also procing her A6 to give her energy. These are niche use cases, but Yukong still does have uses (albeit I'd say limited ones atm, mainly for Clara/Yunli comp or Seele mono quantum without SW/Jade) and the potential for more use cases later. I wouldn't write her off just because she's hard to use because her buffs are pretty massive especially for a 4*
although preservation march 7th is mostly for the beginning of the game, she does have a very fun niche use in clearing gold and gears on the remembrance path with relative ease-there’s a video out there showing how to do it. I found it a lot easier than trying to fish for the infinite money or ruan mei occurrence and easily got to conundrum 11. (I will say though I couldn’t do 12 without getting lucky with the rm occurrence 😂) of course, now that hunt march is here, she’s just so great that I won’t be going back to preservation. shame because I love her design and animations (same with preservation trailblazer, as amazing as harmony tb is!)
I tried building Yukong when I got her in the Xiangzhou arc and I was vastly disappointed. She was just reaaally weak. Hopefully if I actually build her well she'll be _slightly better_ though. Because the build I gave her was very weak, so it may have just been that.. This reminds me I need to build 4 stars like Pela though, so thank you.
Ive used Yukong with Ruan Meis light cone and it makes her sooo Good support wise and mitigates a bit her skill point consumption while at the same time providing great dmg. her gimmick is actually utilizing characters whoe have multiple dmg instances in the same window of time and thus increasing the dmg for all those instances. Its just there arent many characters who can do that Ive been wanting huo huo Lc to test it on Natasha and Lynx but I lost my 25/75 sadly. I think it could be used as a niche for units with hp% subtats or either units that can charge their ult pretty quickly. With Lynx since she increases allies HP% comes pretty in handy as an emergency heal for a low ally if they use their Ult plus if you heal them they get an attack buff. While for Natasha you might want to use it instead with team mates who have low ult energy requirements to spam the the atk buff instead and the heal would be a secondary benefit. For Bailu I think her best build IMHO is Atk Sphere, Energy Rope, Outgoing healing chest,, speed boots, and then for substats you want to capitalize on atk%, a couple of high rolls in hp% plus resist t I would say resist since you want to bring this up to a minimum of 50% and because you will be using a fully maxed out Perfect Timing light cone and last substats you can use crit rate or effect hit rate if using on DOT team at least 40%. The ornaments can be either fleet o the ageless or either lushaka waterscape for even more ult. Bronya pairs nicely with Bailu so your team can have at least one source of cleansing. while the set to use on Bailu I would say 2 longevous and two passerby or full passerby You could also forgo the atk and energy and use watchmaker and put tons of break on Bailu. But then again this is just me theorizing.
My E6 Sushang and E6 Xueyi despite being maxed out just feels weak. It feels like there's no place for 4 star dps for endgame and that's a shame while 4 star supports are still useful.
10:05 i mean Moze Exists now and technically he doesn't take a turn so by default if pairing her with him on a team its always Guaranteed that your buff will reach the dps (there's also her with hyper-speed and defense which gives her 2 turns per phase.)
Also, me using Dan Heng since day one (I play a rhythm game that his JP Va is from and after hearing he was voicing Dan Heng I got hella excited- He's C6 and I have IL Dan Heng too lol they're my highest damage dealers even after I sorta quit HSR
I disagree. Tight kits where everything does something are boring. Creative team building is at an all time low in HSR with how highly specific recent characters are. Characters like Asta and some other early 4 and 5 stars alike begged you to think about different ways your team could function. Just my opinion though.
Small correction: Yukong works with Ratio, Dang Heng and Welt. With a perfect sub unit being March 7th. Since there are 2 imaginary sustains who are completely positive. This means that You can reliably have Yukong's skill up now and make use of the trait damage bonus. Plus because the major flaw of her is so tied to the skill, buffing it through a signature light cone can be done to easily make her a better unit in the end.
If you have E2 DHIL, she is amazing. He consumes both stacks when his ult is up. Paired with Sparkle, he has amazing burst. Alternative, she can pair with Sushang in a hybrid superbreak team. I've 0 cycled with both teams.
yukong never even was used mainstream outside DHIL teams for the imaginary bonus... It's depressing, as a previous DHIL main who is now the main of a near full-imaginary team hyperfixating on dr ratio. Justice for imaginary!
As for Moze being good, I wasn't able to clear the current MOC 12 until today, when I got E2 Moze. Finally slotted him into my FUA team instead of a second Harmony and managed to squeeze in a 10-cycle clear for MOC 12 (A Blade team with 3 cycles on the first half, a Moze and Jing Yuan fua team on the second half barely able to do it in 7 cycles)
And for anyone curious, here are the teams Blade, E1 Huo Huo (easily replaceable by Luocha, ig, but I don't have Luocha), E1 Ruan Mei, Jiaoqiu - first side E2 Moze, Robin, E0S1 Jing Yuan, Aventurine - second side Blade was using Yunli's LC which is pretty much my best option for him, apart from R5 secret vow, all characters who don't have eidolons or weapons mentioned, are E0 with 4* LCs (yes, even Moze, because I gave cruising in the stellar sea to Ratio and then abandoned the idea of using him on the first half 😂)
I leveled up Yukong at the start of the game because I thought she was super cool. Since then she's unfortunately faded into irrelevancy because of very few rate-up banners and inconsistency of her buffs. I have her E4 at the moment and I hope she'll be a rate-up in the Rappa banner so I could hopefully get her E6. But I might actually dust her off now that I have Feixiao. Obviously Robin, the most overpowered unit in the entire game, would be better. But I've already invested into Yukong so I'll slap some relics on her and see how a team of E0S1 Feixiao, E1S1 Topaz, Yukong and E1S0 Fu Xuan will do. I think that could be a very fun team to play, it will just require me to get Yukong to E6 first. With a fast hunt duo of Topaz / Feixiao, I think Yukong could be built with less speed so that she'll be the last one to act in the team. Should be quite fun to figure out how to make it work.
i really appreciate seeing people talk about creative ways to use four stars, i feel like so many people just go "oh they're bad dont use them" but that often leaves f2p players in the dust. i dont need to know the most meta options, i want to know what works!
I ironically want to build those characters purely just out of curiosity .(The one's on my list are dan heng, sushang and yukong). It might be a bit stupid but I'll do it maybe in the future since my dan heng and sushang are e6 already...
Arlan, Yukong and Natasha failed because they are free 4 stars that were given so people could build a initial roster; if those 4 were better people will feel less forced to pull better units and they could wait longer; ergo those 3 didn't fail, they were design to be quickly replaced. Tingyun is a 1.0 four star character that show that not all old characters are bad, it depends on how you obtained in the beggining.
i’ve done like,…. fifty to seventy wishes on feixiao and robin’s banners and i got feixiao but still no moze 😭😭 i love march as my feixiao’s sub dps but i’d love to have moze for extra type coverage. unfortunately, i keep getting luka instead, which i feel like is a curse on my name….
"more realistic to acquire them" I essentially got him thrown at me that banner. Granted, I lost the 50/50 and had to pump in around 160 wishes to bring Black Swan home for my finally complete DOT team but still, I got him E6 which I'm honestly very happy about bc now I'm building the FUA team with Topaz and Ratio, thinking about throwing him in there somehow or using him as an alternate Sub DPS if I need different elements. I mean, I got him E6, I don't want that to just waste away XD
I think it is important to remember that a good 4 star can sell a new team mechanic for the player. For example DOT teams. You might not have kafka or black swan but they're about to rerun. Instead of having a full premium team available to you. You got a "good" DoT team when by having multiple 4 stars to supplement the team. After you invested into a character for that team mechanic you might say "well i want to upgrade this team. So lets go for black swan as well now"
I have a small concept of a 4 star ruan mei A quantum harmony support that triggers quantum entanglement and seal damage based on that whenever a weakness break is triggered on the battlefield it will apply entanglement And E4 or E6 kinda does what ruan mei does but a smaller scale 20% break efficiency and maybe a small damage boost to a single unit??? Idk I am just smoking hopium after loosing to ruanmei twice
Not a 4 star, but I’m glad I could use Clara in the final boss fight this patch. She easily did the majority of the damage aside from story-Feixiao. Without her I would’ve lost. I don’t have Yunli, and no other built up Physical fighters either.
4 stars DPS should have some type of utility to compensate they have less damage, like misha freezing. 4 stars supports should be an option, even if not that good, for people who dont have 5 stars, maybe making them just a bit less efficient than E0 5 stars at E6 or giving them an specific niche, like asta being the only one able to give that amount of speed
Meanwhile, Xueyi is now stronger because of her synergy with the 5* break DPS (Boothill, Firefly, and Rappa) who could reduce toughness and increase her talent counter, to the point where if she is well built and get partnered with the 5*, with up to 240% self DMG boost Xueyi herself becomes a psuedo 5* sub-DPS
people that saw leaks know how close moze was to being dead on arrival 💀 also, ive had extremely good success with my e6 yukong in my e0s0 DHIL, Sparkle, Huohuo team on a full support build. s5 meshing cogs, 2pc speed, 2pc guard, 2pc penacony. just speed tune her to always act before sparkle at 161+ speed and youre set. she doesnt exist before e6 tho lol. my runs with yukong vs tingyun in this team go almost twice as fast. she is extremely good if you can learn to play her well.
Xueyi is a four star character I find that is really good! Her ultimate can ignore weakness break which I find really useful. I think she is also a free character?
I still use Natasha even though I got Gallergher and Lynx. Will continue using her if I got better healers like Bailu, Huo Huo, Luocha and Lingsha. Only because I love the character.
@@aomafura3374 I am an F2P and only joined the game for 8 months, so my build is as follows: Natasha currently at E4, character level 65, lightcone level 50. Mostly give her HP and Energy Regeneration rate build. Relics: Passerby of Wandering Cloud and Vonwacq’s Island of Birth Light cone: Post-Op Conversation
I hope one day Yukong can find a niche use or get a very specific artifact set buff, she's such a cool and gorgeous character to be relegated into such mediocrity with her kit
To me the 4 stars in HSR are really "you wont use this character at ALL" or "this character is so good that you can literally skip his 5-star version" in the second category we get Gallagher, Pela, Guinaifen, Moze, March, Xueyi and Herta in the first category we get... everyone else
When i started the game i tried out yukong as my support, and then i asked myself "why not just use another dps/sustain?" And to this day the only harmony unit i build is MC. (Tried to get sparkle for il-dan and robin for my ipc fua team but the gatcha gods said no both times) Maybe i will get lucky and get sunday, so i can finally see if supports are worth it or not. (At least for the main content they are not, and i am too casual for beating more than half of moc and the likes)
serval is a weird precursor to argenti and kafka. she has dot-mechanics but also enegry mechanics in her kit. since i missed argenti serval has been a stand in for him when there are pf buffs for ultimate uses
Funny how fast Clara on release was power crept by most 5 stars even some 4 stars but my yunli is almost exclusively out done by firefly but only when in her super break team otherwise yunli out damages everyone even without buffs or even a team
if you still use arlan or yukong you are star rail's strongest soldier
nah fuck being strongest soldier these 2 just sucks
i made a smurf account so i can main arlan there. i love despite his shortcomings.
I built my yukong at the start of the game and finally got her e6 recently 💪. I still use her from time to time but I’m honestly waiting for a 4pc energy regen set and more options for energy regen lcs to make her buff more frequent
Dps Yukong is the way. Also her e6 fixes 90% of her problems. She’s very good with jade and Feixiao.
I play Arlan and use him for some endgame content but I have to use a healer to keep him alive which defeats the purpose or Arlan. 😢😮😅
I respect the Sushang mains who pulled Seele and Boothill's lightcones solely just for her
And clara mains who pulled yunli's lc for her, big respect.
What about sparkle LC for Bronya
pulling jade or jingyuan lc for QQ
@@kidsIIIII009 most people prefer bronya's signature LC because when paired with E1, she becomes sp positive though i could see why some people would want sparkle's LC
or Archeron's for Welt
“A future character that can Spend 7 SP in a single turn.”
Uhh Qingque? Haha
unironically yes
If the rng is trolling you like crazy
they could make some unit that has a skill with blast damage but you can spend as much SP as you want adding like 80% attack worth of damage or something to that blast attack
@@lillyie Yeah but it all depends on rng and your luck. That's a good idea though mate 👍
@@lillyie Dan Heng IL?
"If we get a character that can use 7 skill points in a turn" we already do. Her name is qingque
As someone who still mains Qingque (and Jing Yuan...) to this day, I approve of this statement.
Seven skill points was not enough.
flashback to the mr pokke 0 cycle incident
The funny part about Moze is how bad he was during beta. Like his kit looked good in paper but every number was way too high or way too low and he needed E6 to even be considered a unit. Like he genuinely made Arlan look good. Now look at him! Enabler of the first all male team and strong 4 star❤
The worst stage of his kit in the beta was when he had 7 charges instead of 9 and he needed to consume them all before he could use a follow-up attack.
Honorable mention to Gallagher. At first, people had no purpose for him. Then we found out that he is really good in the hyper break team and he is meta ever since
@@brolysupersaiyan1634personally I just liked his flat healing
I then gave him a crit build
@brolysupersaiyan1634 I think Gallagher is more so a Topaz type situation where they both got released before their respective meta (fua and break)
Moze was just really bad in beta before the last update
I always thought gallagher was good lol for the sp generation alone he can be better than luocha if your team has no issues surving
Moze smiling in the thumbnail is scary 💀
Leave him alone, he just cleaned a dirty room and he's finally satisfied
he's just a goofball at heart if you've read his messages
When hes invisible he literally sleeps in his position
It has come to a point where I'm more excited for the 4 star than the 5 star. The past three 4 stars; Gallagher, Hunt March and Moze have all been unique in their own way. Gallagher is more of a DPS than a healer but still more budget friendly than his 5 star counterpart Lingsha. Hunt March is just like Jade but single targeted and provide some neat buffs as well. Moze has a unique gimmick of disappearing on field and providing follow-up attack buffs like he's 4 star Topaz. The next 4 star to come out in the next patch will have a unique gimmick to them that can make them worthwhile investments.
I want Gallagher badly, but pulling for 4 stars is so cancer :/, pulled 110 pulls and got Moze E1 and I pulled Feixiao and Robin, I got 2 5 stars before I got 2 Moze.
You think that’s bad. I pulled 180 times on this banner and got E0 Moze. I’m so upset I wanted at minimum E2. I thought I had it in the bag.
@@ladyliz0862 I mean, I kinda don't want to start building him at E1 tbh, started at 2.4 I think I'm better off artifact farming. E2 would've been an easier sell
@@IgnasVhow about the events?, did you miss them?, cause there was like 2 (or 3, not sure) events where you could pick Gallagher for free (it was a 4 star character selector where you can choose one of multiple 4 stars, and I always chose Gallagher).
If you missed them then I don't know what to say except I hope he /you get him at least E2 by sheer luck or he comes on a banner that you want.
Also kinda Same on Moze, i pulled more than 200 pulls and got Robin, lost 50/50 on Feixiao and then got Feixiao and i only had E3 Moze by the time i was finished, i did a 10 pull yesterday though and got two more copies of him, so he's E5 now, i literally jumped out of my seat when I got TWO of him, good luck if you're still trying to get him
@@IgnasVand yeah if he isn't at E2 then you're better off using March since her E6 is free
As a Luka main, Im happy i get to used him this patch. The MoC and apocalyptic has Aventurine which is where my Luka hid hard (combine with HMC). Happy as well he got in game charcter development arc as well.😊
Luka saved me a couple of times too in my runs. I don't have boothill and firefly (don't want them) so when I need a break dps, I use him.
Nice, I would like to build him in the future since I don't have any good Physical DPS. And yeah this patch was nice with more Luka story.
I agree with your Arlan stun idea. If he’s the only one on the team and he’s stun the battle ends but otherwise he’s just basically immortal. There’s something similar like this in AFK Journey and it works really well
Funny how He's even more Immortal than Blade is
We don’t need a 4 star Ruan Mei, we just need a 4 star Harmony AOE buffer that isn’t a pure ATK steroid. Let Ruan Mei do her thing as the Weakness Break Efficiency person, while the hypothetical 4 star is just an AOE dmg and res/def pen. The two won’t work together nearly as good, because Ruan Mei’s utility outside of FireBreak is her ability to facilitate dual DPS comps.
that would become Asta Yukong Variant. Asta Buff still stupid on this day that Give you 60% Atk speed, and Some Fire dmg Bonus. and With Cogs her Speed buff can be keep up like entire 2 turn. i Try Asta in DoT Team and Compare it To somehow like Ruan Mei or Robin. in this MoC its only Different 1 cycle. thats really amazing and if they ever make new *4 Ruan mei and for DoT and the result just like asta..... then there is no point Really.
They should've made yukong do aoe support. It'll make her more useful.
Asta kinda does that,but she falls into the the generic ATK buff category
there's been pretty much a 4 star equivalent(or 5 star standard) of a limited 5 star EXCEPT ruan mei. HMC isn't quite the same since it can't make enemies take break damage a second time, but rather, no weakness break efficiency.
pure attack buffs? asta, yukong, hanya and tingyun exists
need crit damage buffs? bronya, or yukong if you don't have bronya
battery? tingyun
skill point generation? hanya
speed buffs? asta for teamwide buff and hanya for hypercarry buffing
it's literally just weakness break efficiency that we're missing for the 4 star roster.
@@lillyie And it sucks. I tried Firefly without Ruan Mei and it doesn't work because there's no other option
Another specially important thing you forgot to mention is that Gallagher is one of the most SP positive characters in the game due to his basic-ult-basic combo and his ability to run the Multiplication LC. It's also why people pair him with Robin while using Quid Pro Quo to enable her ult faster, so all in all he's a character that has something for pretty much every team in the game. It's honestly kind of crazy how strong and versatile he is for a 4*, and comparing him to Natasha even gets sad for the girl.
It's interesting how much they've improved designs since 1.0, as mentioned Natasha E6 was health scaling on basics which literally became a basic feature for all defense and health scaling characters(to scale with their primary stat), with Blade being the first one I believe. Also how March, Gepard and Fire MC used to have attack scaling's AND ascension traces.
4 stars weren't the only ones to have crap eidolons back then, at E4 Gepard your team gets 20% Effect Res and don't get me started on his E6. Back then I saw E4 Bronya and went wow a follow-up on auto? now I'm like okay so for not using my skill I get a follow-up... if they have wind weakness... bruh.
5 stars today also have some dogshit eidolons, like jiaoqius 4th eidolon which is unuronically worse than basically every standard 5 star eidolon
@@akshayreddy4071 literally every 5* e4 ranges from mediocre (for the cost) to dogshit. There's never a case where you want to stop at E4 for a 5*
@@curryfishheadenjoyer I mean, there's some kinda standouts, like blades e4 being pretty decent, himekos being good and bailus being kinda nice but niche
Galagher outhere being the best healer option for Super Break (before next Tuesday at least), Acheron, and Feixiao team
I believe 1.0 4-stars were knowingly under-turned to avoid repeating the mistakes of op Genshin release 4-stars
It proba ly helps they relase a few 4 stars so every new one has to sell.
In Genshin. So many 4 stars were released and the 1.0 characters are still on top.
Nah, Tingyun is basically this game's Bennett, and Pela is pretty OP too. They made the same "mistake" again which makes me doubt it's a mistake.
^5 and co
@@jeremiahsmith916yeah but 1.0 4 stardps characters are not rly good enough for endgame content
to this day we still dont have a 4 star ruan mei(come on hoyo give us a support that increases weakness efficiency)
and to this day Default March is our only 4star preservation
@@kumalanimbus6995trailblazer is pretty much a 4 star in terms of price.
@@Beanichu fire MC is the least preservation of any units
-the shield is almost non existent, being carried by it's other buffs like damage reduction to allies
-her main niche, taunting enemies, has been usurped by yunli
-shitty scalings so you can't even build her as a dps
she tried to be everything at once, but ended up being a weaker dps, tank, shielder because of it
i really want an alternative to her because i don’t like her at all 😭
I have ruan mei but I'm gonna be a galaxy Ranger collector and if it ends up that all of them are going to be break characters I'm gonna need a second option for a second team 😭
Gallagher is funny because the fact his healing does not scale with anything and instead is simply a flat amount dictated by by his traces, this allows him to provide some of the highest raw healing per point of any sustain. And because of his flat numbers, an Outgoing Healing chest and Break Effect as per his ascension trace makes full healing characters pretty easy.
I also think it’s interesting Yukong came right after Moze in the video. I think it’s tragic how tremendous Yukong’s buffs are but she needs so much speed tuning to work. But if Moze isn’t on field, then Yukong’s Roaring Bowstrings buff will always work as intended: the main carry will benefit, the sustain will take one, but Moze will fit in a FUA at some point during Roaring Bowstrings. Yukong is still bad compared to easier units but a whole ass character who leaves turn order makes her feasible.
yea and right before 2.1 I was convinced Gallagher would be trash (I also thought healing by attacking is stupid), and much worse than Lynx, so I was shocked that he turned out be actually really good and much better than Lynx
Serval isnt rly a DoT character, her DoT scalings are too low, she just deals more dmg to enemies with shock on them
that requires E6, and without E6 it's best to just build her as a crit dps
She is best used with Kafka but then you're better off playing Acheron
the thing about the newer 4 stars is that they enable/buff the 5 stars mihoyo like the most. gallagher was first a good healer for acheron, then he became an even better healer for firefly. moze/march enable feixiao to function well without some cope fua like ratio, where march was given out for free. firefly would be garbage without stelle to enable super break. mihoyo know all this and gave them out for free so that players will have a bigger incentive to pull on these characters. ratio was given out for free to kickstart everyones fua teams, which lets mihoyo make characters like robin and aventurine without players needing certain 5 stars to get any decent use of them.
“Cost less for players to acquire”? Not with split rateup they don’t! 😂
Its funny to me how genshin and star rail had opposite four star problems. Genshins 1.0 four star roster was amazing, while star rail 1.0 four stars are extremly mediocre besides pela tingyun and maybe asta. even genshins early four star releases with rosaria and diona are very solid compared to the absolute garbage that came out in inazuma and sumeru. part of me feels like making the 1.0 four stars bad in star rail was intentional so they could only go up from there LOL
Eh sampo, QQ, xueyi, gunaifen and hanya are all good too. Not Xiangling bennett xinqui tier but good
@@jmoak14 sampo is just a kafka enabler. but then again all the other 4 star dot charas are just kafka enablers, just depends on which weakness needs breaking,
qingque needs E4 to start doing something. sure you can use her without E4 but your damage pretty much doubles once you get that follow up attack
xueyi is a pretty hard character to build, requiring BOTH crit and break effect, but once she gets to be built she can rival 5* dps
hanya is just f2p sparkle. not quite the same but she's your choice for SP hungry teams
I disagree, all of them range from alright to great. I think the only terrible 4 stars they've released since launch are Mika and Freminet
@@azurisageI genuinely forget Mika even exists, literally no one talks about him or uses him, it doesn't even feel like he's really a character in the game
@@azurisage Mika's doing pretty alright after Furina got released. He's one of the best options you can play for Wriothesley, Wanderer and Eula for their Furina teams.
192 pulls for e6 4 star is NASTY 😭
I spent 200 pulls with not a single Moze in sight.
@@AIA222-yu5mlhappened with me when i was pulling for Ruan mei I think, I only got march eidolons and like 1 xueyi
@@AIA222-yu5ml 110 pulls and I'm pissed I've got only E1 and not E2.
120 pulls and only 1 moze while i got 3 feixiao and robin..
@@jar5680 they really need to implement a rate-up selector :(
newer 4 stars are a lot more specialized to work with their indended teamcomps.
Gallager and March Hunt are "specialized" yet they can fit a wide array of comps no problem.
@@kateliza8922 they can but they have their nich they excell at that previous 4 stars didn't have.
@@kateliza8922 If you look at the bigger picture? Not really. March only works well in FUA teams because she relies on getting extra actions and her shifu frequently attacking. Her usefulness is immensely dampered if she was with a non-FUA character.
Gallagher *is* a healer which can technically fit into any team, sure, but his speciality is undoubtedly the supplemental break damage and weakness break he can do alongside that. The healing is almost an afterthought for him.
Arguably, with the release of Divergent Universe, the exceptionally non-Meta 4 stars can be seeing some love again.
Take Ice March for example. I've used her a lot even during SU expansions, since her freeze capabilities can be pretty OP in Rememberance run scenarios, and how her shield can be used as an aggro, it can also be useful for a fun Arlan Divergent Universe run. Yes, Arlan is pretty fun if you have the correct (premium buffers) teammates for him. His ults charges really fast, he needs no skill points and he hits pretty hard in these roguelike modes. Misha's also can be good in a Rememberance run since his freezing capabilities are closely similar to Ice March (albeit a bit weaker, but EHR can help you with it), but will get pretty negligible if you own Jingliu. Regular Dan Heng can also be a very good unit for a triple DPS with The Hunt as your path, since he's pretty good at dishing final blows and giving a minor slow debuff onto enemies. Pair him with Welt and Dr. Ratio, you'll have a variety team of debuff oriented units that dishes out bombs from the grace of Crit Rate gacha (critting is always gacha, even at 100%+, remember that folks)
Idk if the developers foreseen this, but with their addition to permanent, repeatable roguelike gamemodes are now a saving grace to these 'underwhelming' roster of characters, and they just keeps on giving us excuses that these characters is good enough and really have their fair uses outside of the real endgame Meta and can still give you the intended fun as advertised. Although outside of this seemingly unintentional pros, I do agree that we would love to see more powerful and competitive 4 stars characters in the future for accessibility's and newer player's sake and to balance out the Meta going forward. Being too developed too fast in this type of gameplay in a live service system can be bad for their longevity, and as a big fan of the game, I would hate to see that happen, since I want this game to live on for as long as time would allow. (The story and lore is so good mate, I can't fathom how it's the number one thing I anticipate every god damn patch)
Honestly, the nicest thing about DU is that it builds the characters for you so you can try them out without having to commit to building a whole character
Preach, lol
Yukong would be good if there is a support with AoE speed lock.
Like Asta but instead of speed increase team speed is set to 145.
I use Moze and March hunt with robin and aventurine its a fun team
The fact that a four star should be weaker cos they’re ’cheaper’ is just insane to me. I’ve gotten a bronya eidolon and feixiao all while trying to get just one moze this banner.
Yukong is a great dps. At e6 90% of her problems get fixed. She is actually great with jade and Feixiao.
the problem is actually getting her E6 💀
@@stardust9470 good ol Sara, Mica, Frauzan, Gorou like ah Support ☠️
5:49 Now i know this ain't connected to the video is about but damm that Acheron ult missed alot of crits
did you know guys...
many LC nihiity have break effect scale....
even 5 star LC from herta, it give you more BE...
and until now we dont have nihility character who scale his damage by BE...
Even in the SU there's a lot of blessings that buffs Break effect for what I should use them in my dot team??
@@panjipewe can't Luka be built as a break DPS?
@@reshmin0672 yes luka iirc is the only nihility that has either break and bleed playstyle. Being physical makes his break potential good but bc we have boothill rn it's kinda pushing luka more into bleed (dot) instead
Though if the player is willing to invest in luka they can always play him in a superbreak team (rm-hmc)
@@bubblesparks I also saw some people building break Guinaifen
@@mariethefan I believe it's just devs refusing to make a direct Path for Break teams and using the already existing Paths instead (If we talk about DU). Destruction and Nihility just got Break blessings all of the sudden, exactly when Boothill and Firefly were released... And they are the only characters who can benefit from that, really. There's even that one Nihility blessing that turns Boothill into the budget version of his own E6
You should have misha in this video because he is very good as a 4 star and deserves more love
in defense of Natasha
she does have a heal overtime on her Ultimate from her E2 on allies healed from under 30% HP
her heal scaling even without her Talent is actually on the higher end
her physical typing is also really good for certain fights: I've seriously used her in ApocShadow (specifically doomsday beast and Aventurine) into physical weak and run Multiplication on her just like gallagher, she's able to 4 turn ult fairly quickly and her healing is sufficient to keep the team healed in AoE damaging scenarios, and her E4 energy can enable 3 turn ults if the enemies attack often enough meaning she can constantly burst heal the team north of 2000HP extremely often
honestly a change on Natasha I would have liked to see is actually making her E6 add an extra unit of toughness damage, in the same way that Asta/Sampo/HMC's extra skill hits add extra toughness damage. This alone would give her her own unique niche as a physical chipper, and even give her slightly better play options into super break comps when physical weakness is needed/wanted
Xueyi's release changed 4 stars in hsr. I swear to God she's the best example of what a 4 star should be esp on max Eidolon
Tried her out recently as I needed a good Quantum other than Qingque, and.. Yeah! She's really strong.
And I still haven't got her a proper relic set, so she can probably be even better..
I feel like Moze is continuing the Xueyi tradition of cracked 4 star DPS at E6. especially with a 5 star LC. Xueyi doesn't really have an ideal limited LC but Moze with Dr Ratio sig goes hard af (higher ceiling than Topaz LC). He's a bit easier to build as well, not needing break effect, just needs a lot of crit rate because he gets none from traces or elsewhere. They are both top tier in my mind, and building Xueyi the way she deserves is like a commitment for the lifetime of my account lol (90/180 with 240 break effect to actually max her trace, I wonder if it is possible 😂)
@@0v_x0 agreed, I wish more 4 stars would be like them!
Although Misha is pretty bad
@@midnight.blue42 his ult can hit hard in the right circumstances but he's pretty niche and needs high investment
i still cant believe they named arlan's ability "Shackle Breaker" and he's the only dark skinned playable character we have. what a coincidence.
exactly!! what was going on in their mind when they named his traces "swift harvest" and "shackle breaker"??? the fact he literally works at the space station and has no correlation to harvests and shackles at all is insane
Silly argument. Whites were slaves long before blacks. More importantly Arlan isn't black, he is probably based on dark skinned asians due to his looks.
@@_leena3825
Get this he wasn’t even going to be dark skin in final game, he was way lightener and had blond hair in his beta self. I got jumped scared. They might as well not include these characters at all if they’re just going to mess them up. Do them right or don’t do it at all, they hurt no one if they just pick a side.
@@_leena3825There are a bunch of really subtle and not-so-subtle clues (His E5 is ‘hammer and tongs’ for crying out loud) linking him to the Firesmith clan, a tribe liberated from slavery by Nanook.
This man: "Hoyo, if you're watching, this is a sign to make a 4-star Ruan Mei."
Asta, just on the side: "I don't get no respect."
Preservation March has a niche in SU Remembrance runs.
13:50 shes already here and SHES READY TO GAMBLE
As both a Kafka and Firefly main.
The fight to decide who keeps ruan mei is too real
Break teams really need Ruan mei
Robin actually works better than Ruan mei in Dot teams
It would be interesting to have a "healer" that instead of healing can do a lot revives through its ultimate.
1 revive on allies after each ultimate use or smt...
4:48 actually its every time he does the add dmg thing which translates to 18 energy and not yet counting the fua
Yes! it's so good, I can use Moze's ultimate almost every round of his 9 charges.
4:44 its not after follow up but rather after his additonal dmg
8:18 Yeah I'd cut that part out too we know what happened there lol
Me after getting lingsha's lightcone simply for my Gallagher
I think I am noticing something in the way they have been making 4 stars lately. Basically, they make a 4 star's kit synergize a lot with the new 5 star, so that even though you get the 4 star "for cheaper", you still are incentivized to spend more for that 5 star to use the 4 star to their best ability
Ex:
- Xueyi and Ruan Mei, break
- Misha and sparkle (though Misha isn't "as good" as the other 4 star releases), SP usage
- Gallagher and Acheron/later superbreak, debuffs and break
- hunt March and Feixiao/FUA
- Moze and Feixiao/FUA
Misha actually fits with both sparkle and superbreak, since his ult deals massive break damage to a single target
IMO Natasha is still fine cause she is the only physical sustain. I still use her in boothill teams for MOC12 over my e6gallagher to break toughness faster and in that team with Ruan Mei, she sustains just fine if not better than Gallagher at times
when i ask for good 4* units all i ask for is for me to be able to slot them in a team, invest in them, and have them actually be a positive rather than a negative. I'm not asking for a bennett or a xingqiu, i'm asking for a rosaria, a gaming, a kirara, a beidou etc. All units which usually in their teams are actually worth it to use.
I'd rather have a moze which only really works in a few (if not just one) team comp and be actually good there than have a hook, an arlan or a march preservation which just kinda suck in any team comp you put them on, especially compared to the free units we got from events.
Still using Yukong with CRIT stats!! I just love her design, personality and background.
But yeah, it's really hard to get her bonus, and the worst part is that she can't even buff herself (if I'm not mistaken)
She can, though it's only possible with E6 (Ult extends Skill buff by 1 ally turn) OR by running her solo/2-charac team only. Also it's really finicky since you have to use her Ult WHEN IT'S HER TURN to even have the chance to self-buff her in the first place...
E6 fixes 90% of her problems. Dps Yukong is great. She can work well with Feixiao and jade.
13:51
my qingque already spends 7 skill point in one turn 😭😭😭
this has made me inspired to make my own version of this, 1.0 characters and why they aren't "meta" anymore, and who "replaced" them. I really loved this video and found it so informative!
I'm guessing some of the people from this list would be Bailu, Jing Yuan, Gepard and Clara those three seem to be the bigger outliers and if we're talking four stars then natasha it is. I feel like the only standard banner characters that are relevant nowadays is Bronya who still has uses even with Robin and Ruan Mei running around and she has teams where she can be better than sparkle such as boothill. And Himeko might possibly be considered the best standard unit in the game due to how flexible she can be. Due to pf and super break. She might get buffed again next patch since rappa also has break mechanics in her kit. And the only 1.x four stars that stay relevant are tingyun, Herta(for PF) and pela.
Yukong never really failed imo, she's great but the requirements to make her good are too high. She really, really needs that e6 and you really really need to speed tune your team. If you've fulfilled these conditions she's busted asf.
Also her "partner" was dragon heng where one turn you'd use her skill and ult and all sp on dh basic to do a massive nuke then other turn you'd regen sp. That was the idea when he came out at least. She clearly wasn't designed to spam her skill every turn and neither was dh, if you want to keep sp neutral with him every other team member would have to be +1 positive (no his ult offsetting doesn't count when it's clearly designed with e2 in mind which just gives himanother turn and the sp for that turn). Since Yukong's buff lasts 2 turns and with e2 dh can do 2 nukes back to back, well you see what she's for.
turn 1: Yukong e -> dh turn -> (optional) yukong ult e6 +1 duration -> dh 3x sp basic -> dh e2 ult -> dh 3xscale basic -> subdps/supp -> sustain
turn2: Yukong basic -> dh basic -> subdps/supp -> sustain
repeat
That way Yukong is sp neutral and dh is sp -2 (instead of -6) so the 2 turn sum of the slot 3 and 4 has to be +2 instead of +4.
Also Robin and Ruan Mei don't make as many sp as some people would think, Ruan Mei is sp +1 not using her skill for energy and Robin can be anything from +1 to -1 depending on her regen, ult and skill for eng use.
The Chinese communities have joked how the new 4 stars are designed to be dowry for the 5 stars. Since you can basically get a solid team going with just the 5 star and then the 4 stars that they give that support their play style. Like Galagher and Harmony TB for Firefly and Moze and March for Feixiao. It increases sales but decreasing players worries about getting characters but not having the proper team to use them in.
Its weird to hear someone calling Gallagher fragile or hard to use, he has so much high base HP, trace and immunity to CC lol
The fact his healings getting bonus from
Break means hes free to not care about some relics main stats (that also includes healing body), so stacking def options shouldnt be a problem
Maybe hard to use cuz he doesn't have "Emergency healing" the same way other Ult Heals do. But yeah, I don't think he's Fragile
@hayond656 I disagree. The healer that truly doesn't have any "emergency healing" is Huohuo.
Gallagher's ult doesn't heal, but it advances himself 100% to act right next in order to attack again and heal the whole party, healing AND doing good fire toughness damage. In that sense, I'd say his ult is his emergency healing. The only time when this healing comes slightly late is when his ult is used right after the 1st action and before the extra action of an elite's or boss's turn, whereby that extra action would come first and potentially kill someone.
Gallagher does so many things and is just a very good 4* healer. The best 4* healer I'd say.
@@Nothingity HuoHuo doesn't have an Ult heal yeah. But I was talking in context to people who Have actual Ult heals cuz they're "easier" than Gallagher's
Yukong does have something coming up for her...Moze is an example if it. xD Making their turn vanish means less people Yukong needs to keep her ult up on, Robin can even be used. Just need a unit that's SP positive. [Definitely a hard ask though]
Regarding Yukong,
her buffs remain up during enemy turns. You can, for example, build a "slow" Yukong that goes last in the team order, paired with counterattackers like Clara and Yunli who'll benefit from all the enemies attacking them and dealing multiple instances of dmg without ticking down her bowstrings. This can also apply to allies who do FUA during a buffed ally's turn (for example, Jade/March following up after the main DPS attacks). There's also the case where characters who gain extra turns (Seele, E2 Firefly, Rappa, etc) also don't tick down Yukong's buff during those extra turns while also procing her A6 to give her energy.
These are niche use cases, but Yukong still does have uses (albeit I'd say limited ones atm, mainly for Clara/Yunli comp or Seele mono quantum without SW/Jade) and the potential for more use cases later. I wouldn't write her off just because she's hard to use because her buffs are pretty massive especially for a 4*
although preservation march 7th is mostly for the beginning of the game, she does have a very fun niche use in clearing gold and gears on the remembrance path with relative ease-there’s a video out there showing how to do it. I found it a lot easier than trying to fish for the infinite money or ruan mei occurrence and easily got to conundrum 11. (I will say though I couldn’t do 12 without getting lucky with the rm occurrence 😂)
of course, now that hunt march is here, she’s just so great that I won’t be going back to preservation. shame because I love her design and animations (same with preservation trailblazer, as amazing as harmony tb is!)
12:38 reminder to look at the action bar before using up your last sp
I tried building Yukong when I got her in the Xiangzhou arc and I was vastly disappointed. She was just reaaally weak. Hopefully if I actually build her well she'll be _slightly better_ though. Because the build I gave her was very weak, so it may have just been that..
This reminds me I need to build 4 stars like Pela though, so thank you.
Ive used Yukong with Ruan Meis light cone and it makes her sooo Good support wise and mitigates a bit her skill point consumption while at the same time providing great dmg. her gimmick is actually utilizing characters whoe have multiple dmg instances in the same window of time and thus increasing the dmg for all those instances. Its just there arent many characters who can do that
Ive been wanting huo huo Lc to test it on Natasha and Lynx but I lost my 25/75 sadly. I think it could be used as a niche for units with hp% subtats or either units that can charge their ult pretty quickly. With Lynx since she increases allies HP% comes pretty in handy as an emergency heal for a low ally if they use their Ult plus if you heal them they get an attack buff.
While for Natasha you might want to use it instead with team mates who have low ult energy requirements to spam the the atk buff instead and the heal would be a secondary benefit.
For Bailu I think her best build IMHO is Atk Sphere, Energy Rope, Outgoing healing chest,, speed boots, and then for substats you want to capitalize on atk%, a couple of high rolls in hp% plus resist t I would say resist since you want to bring this up to a minimum of 50% and because you will be using a fully maxed out Perfect Timing light cone and last substats you can use crit rate or effect hit rate if using on DOT team at least 40%. The ornaments can be either fleet o the ageless or either lushaka waterscape for even more ult. Bronya pairs nicely with Bailu so your team can have at least one source of cleansing. while the set to use on Bailu I would say 2 longevous and two passerby or full passerby You could also forgo the atk and energy and use watchmaker and put tons of break on Bailu.
But then again this is just me theorizing.
Dawg the thumbnail is literally my team with Feixiao 😭😭
didn't know I wasn't the only who uses them too.
My E6 Sushang and E6 Xueyi despite being maxed out just feels weak. It feels like there's no place for 4 star dps for endgame and that's a shame while 4 star supports are still useful.
10:05 i mean Moze Exists now and technically he doesn't take a turn so by default if pairing her with him on a team its always Guaranteed that your buff will reach the dps (there's also her with hyper-speed and defense which gives her 2 turns per phase.)
Also, me using Dan Heng since day one (I play a rhythm game that his JP Va is from and after hearing he was voicing Dan Heng I got hella excited- He's C6 and I have IL Dan Heng too lol they're my highest damage dealers even after I sorta quit HSR
Is the rhythm game prosekai?
@@usmanya5110 yea! Srry forgot his VA has multiple rhythm games he's part of lol he's part of like 3
I disagree. Tight kits where everything does something are boring.
Creative team building is at an all time low in HSR with how highly specific recent characters are.
Characters like Asta and some other early 4 and 5 stars alike begged you to think about different ways your team could function.
Just my opinion though.
Small correction: Yukong works with Ratio, Dang Heng and Welt.
With a perfect sub unit being March 7th.
Since there are 2 imaginary sustains who are completely positive.
This means that You can reliably have Yukong's skill up now and make use of the trait damage bonus.
Plus because the major flaw of her is so tied to the skill, buffing it through a signature light cone can be done to easily make her a better unit in the end.
I always wanted to get Gallagher and Moze since I first saw them. Heck, I would also E6 them. They're also my only 4-stars that have max traces.
If you have E2 DHIL, she is amazing. He consumes both stacks when his ult is up. Paired with Sparkle, he has amazing burst.
Alternative, she can pair with Sushang in a hybrid superbreak team.
I've 0 cycled with both teams.
yukong never even was used mainstream outside DHIL teams for the imaginary bonus... It's depressing, as a previous DHIL main who is now the main of a near full-imaginary team hyperfixating on dr ratio. Justice for imaginary!
As for Moze being good, I wasn't able to clear the current MOC 12 until today, when I got E2 Moze. Finally slotted him into my FUA team instead of a second Harmony and managed to squeeze in a 10-cycle clear for MOC 12
(A Blade team with 3 cycles on the first half, a Moze and Jing Yuan fua team on the second half barely able to do it in 7 cycles)
And for anyone curious, here are the teams
Blade, E1 Huo Huo (easily replaceable by Luocha, ig, but I don't have Luocha), E1 Ruan Mei, Jiaoqiu - first side
E2 Moze, Robin, E0S1 Jing Yuan, Aventurine - second side
Blade was using Yunli's LC which is pretty much my best option for him, apart from R5 secret vow, all characters who don't have eidolons or weapons mentioned, are E0 with 4* LCs (yes, even Moze, because I gave cruising in the stellar sea to Ratio and then abandoned the idea of using him on the first half 😂)
Moze is basically the definition of "No one fights alone."
I leveled up Yukong at the start of the game because I thought she was super cool. Since then she's unfortunately faded into irrelevancy because of very few rate-up banners and inconsistency of her buffs. I have her E4 at the moment and I hope she'll be a rate-up in the Rappa banner so I could hopefully get her E6.
But I might actually dust her off now that I have Feixiao. Obviously Robin, the most overpowered unit in the entire game, would be better. But I've already invested into Yukong so I'll slap some relics on her and see how a team of E0S1 Feixiao, E1S1 Topaz, Yukong and E1S0 Fu Xuan will do. I think that could be a very fun team to play, it will just require me to get Yukong to E6 first.
With a fast hunt duo of Topaz / Feixiao, I think Yukong could be built with less speed so that she'll be the last one to act in the team. Should be quite fun to figure out how to make it work.
i really appreciate seeing people talk about creative ways to use four stars, i feel like so many people just go "oh they're bad dont use them" but that often leaves f2p players in the dust. i dont need to know the most meta options, i want to know what works!
I’m literally waiting for Misha just so I can use Arlan Most of the time.
i use Yukong for my Yunli/HuoHuo/Topaz team. i think she performs wonderful in there as a support.
Preservation March is still a good character for clearing endgame content tho (SU GNG and SD is a niche she's famous for since Remembrance is OP.)
I ironically want to build those characters purely just out of curiosity .(The one's on my list are dan heng, sushang and yukong). It might be a bit stupid but I'll do it maybe in the future since my dan heng and sushang are e6 already...
Arlan, Yukong and Natasha failed because they are free 4 stars that were given so people could build a initial roster; if those 4 were better people will feel less forced to pull better units and they could wait longer; ergo those 3 didn't fail, they were design to be quickly replaced. Tingyun is a 1.0 four star character that show that not all old characters are bad, it depends on how you obtained in the beggining.
Don't forget pela who's also an amazing 4 star.
i’ve done like,…. fifty to seventy wishes on feixiao and robin’s banners and i got feixiao but still no moze 😭😭 i love march as my feixiao’s sub dps but i’d love to have moze for extra type coverage. unfortunately, i keep getting luka instead, which i feel like is a curse on my name….
"more realistic to acquire them" I essentially got him thrown at me that banner. Granted, I lost the 50/50 and had to pump in around 160 wishes to bring Black Swan home for my finally complete DOT team but still, I got him E6 which I'm honestly very happy about bc now I'm building the FUA team with Topaz and Ratio, thinking about throwing him in there somehow or using him as an alternate Sub DPS if I need different elements. I mean, I got him E6, I don't want that to just waste away XD
I think it is important to remember that a good 4 star can sell a new team mechanic for the player. For example DOT teams. You might not have kafka or black swan but they're about to rerun. Instead of having a full premium team available to you. You got a "good" DoT team when by having multiple 4 stars to supplement the team.
After you invested into a character for that team mechanic you might say "well i want to upgrade this team. So lets go for black swan as well now"
U can use march 7 as a sub dps too with eidolonds and good cone like gepard cone and still have her core kit of freeze/shield/decoy
I like Misha, he's my only buily and used ice dps lol 😅 even though I have YangQing..... i rolled for LingSha banner just for Misha E6
I have a small concept of a 4 star ruan mei
A quantum harmony support that triggers quantum entanglement and seal damage based on that whenever a weakness break is triggered on the battlefield it will apply entanglement
And E4 or E6 kinda does what ruan mei does but a smaller scale 20% break efficiency and maybe a small damage boost to a single unit???
Idk I am just smoking hopium after loosing to ruanmei twice
Tbh I still use my pela a lot. She regenerates energy so quickly her def buff is always on
Not a 4 star, but I’m glad I could use Clara in the final boss fight this patch. She easily did the majority of the damage aside from story-Feixiao. Without her I would’ve lost. I don’t have Yunli, and no other built up Physical fighters either.
4 stars DPS should have some type of utility to compensate they have less damage, like misha freezing.
4 stars supports should be an option, even if not that good, for people who dont have 5 stars, maybe making them just a bit less efficient than E0 5 stars at E6 or giving them an specific niche, like asta being the only one able to give that amount of speed
Meanwhile, Xueyi is now stronger because of her synergy with the 5* break DPS (Boothill, Firefly, and Rappa) who could reduce toughness and increase her talent counter, to the point where if she is well built and get partnered with the 5*, with up to 240% self DMG boost Xueyi herself becomes a psuedo 5* sub-DPS
14:02 Asta: im over here... (for DoT anyway)
people that saw leaks know how close moze was to being dead on arrival 💀
also, ive had extremely good success with my e6 yukong in my e0s0 DHIL, Sparkle, Huohuo team on a full support build. s5 meshing cogs, 2pc speed, 2pc guard, 2pc penacony. just speed tune her to always act before sparkle at 161+ speed and youre set. she doesnt exist before e6 tho lol. my runs with yukong vs tingyun in this team go almost twice as fast. she is extremely good if you can learn to play her well.
Xueyi is a four star character I find that is really good! Her ultimate can ignore weakness break which I find really useful. I think she is also a free character?
I still use Natasha even though I got Gallergher and Lynx.
Will continue using her if I got better healers like Bailu, Huo Huo, Luocha and Lingsha.
Only because I love the character.
What build are you going for? I'm considering running her too
@@aomafura3374
I am an F2P and only joined the game for 8 months, so my build is as follows:
Natasha currently at E4, character level 65, lightcone level 50.
Mostly give her HP and Energy Regeneration rate build.
Relics: Passerby of Wandering Cloud and Vonwacq’s Island of Birth
Light cone: Post-Op Conversation
I hope one day Yukong can find a niche use or get a very specific artifact set buff, she's such a cool and gorgeous character to be relegated into such mediocrity with her kit
To me the 4 stars in HSR are really "you wont use this character at ALL" or "this character is so good that you can literally skip his 5-star version"
in the second category we get Gallagher, Pela, Guinaifen, Moze, March, Xueyi and Herta
in the first category we get... everyone else
Tingyun dead in a ditch
@@Wawawawawa750 literally xD
shout out to gallagher from saving me from natasha
bruh
11:55 i thought trailblazer opened a can for me
4 star preservation characters: *awkwardly looks around herself whith crickets chirping*
4* in HSR isn't 4* in Genshin
LoL, 4* start Genshin, with c6 - insane power; c6 HSR start 4* - garbage.
BUT, new hero is 180°.
4* in Genshin - SUCK
4* in HSR - DOMINATE
pela and tingyun being able to stay relevant to this day is insane
When i started the game i tried out yukong as my support, and then i asked myself "why not just use another dps/sustain?" And to this day the only harmony unit i build is MC. (Tried to get sparkle for il-dan and robin for my ipc fua team but the gatcha gods said no both times) Maybe i will get lucky and get sunday, so i can finally see if supports are worth it or not. (At least for the main content they are not, and i am too casual for beating more than half of moc and the likes)
serval is a weird precursor to argenti and kafka. she has dot-mechanics but also enegry mechanics in her kit. since i missed argenti serval has been a stand in for him when there are pf buffs for ultimate uses
Moze smiling in the thumbnail is uncanny
Funny how fast Clara on release was power crept by most 5 stars even some 4 stars but my yunli is almost exclusively out done by firefly but only when in her super break team otherwise yunli out damages everyone even without buffs or even a team