I would say the real issue beside power creep is how they shift content to accommodate it and literally ditching it next update in the most chaotic way possible
pretty much most of the limited 5 stars. Hoyoverse optimize the MOC for the featured hero for that banner, and become seemingly irrelevant a few patches later on.
@@regail7143 same but at that time I doesn't have Ruan mei. Which I though is gonna be 2-3 cycle more but it's actually not that far (usually 1 cycle more with Pela average 3-4 cycle clear) without Ruan mei.
@regail7143 Agree, I even got an "accidental" E2 trying to chase that E6 for Guinaifen (I thought I needed more DoT units for stacking Arcana faster, and now I don't even use her in DoT teams, but as a budget breaker instead of Firefly). That one makes her pretty fun in PF - stuff just randomly explodes.
Sustain powecreep is difficult to pull off from a game design perspective, because having more healing is going to be overkill but trying to raise enemy DMG to justify it will retroactively make older characters extremely squishy because their HP is designed around an older meta state. It may even raise backlash because some people may see it as pressure to pull newer characters with higher survivability. What HSR seems to be doing is just like what they did for Harmony where they make sustains have niche supports. Just like Robin and Ruan Mei cater to Follow Up and Break, so too do Aventurine and Gallagher cater to the same. We're still missing a DoT/Debuffer healer because a certain character was only healer in self-proclaimed manner but not gameplay manner.
Game can just introduce characters that will benefit off overheals. Like how the current SU overheals on the abundance path. If what leaks are true, we will see this.
Luocha has the highest healing amount, huohuo provides the most offensive sustain, fu xuan reduces the dmg the most and aventurin negates dmg the most, they all have widely different unique mechanics and benifits
@@aidenharris5296Fu has a huge crit rate buff so I'd say she and Huo Huo both bring good support to the table, Aventurine might be the most well rounded at S1 with his debuffs as well as personal damage tho. Then again he can't heal whatsoever while even Fu Xuan can at least pull people back from the danger zone a little at a time. Luocha might be the only one who feels less balanced to me now but AoE cleanse isn't really in demand for endgame these days, but that may change as well
@@aidenharris5296all of them have their uses. If they release self buff enemies, Loucha AoE cleanse would shine like those revive/life-steal. Aven would be useless if there are shield-ignore enemies like GI wolf. Fx/healer kinda bad against that max-HP reduction except HouHou.
@@djjain4280 if he's built slow which he often is, large single target attacks can knock down half the shield and then half the char HP. Then you need to use a skill point on his next turn, and you'll never get that HP back. If the same char gets targeted again this can be a pain. This is rarely an issue, if it happens in MoC you can just reset for better RNG, but it does factor into his play style especially in endurance modes like Gold and Gears where outside healing may or may not exist from RNG blessings. It's less an outright negative and more an obvious balance choice
I would say that Kafka actually is the one restricting the damage/power of dot units. She makes the dot team only viable with her. Kafka being introduced so early in the game makes the developer balanced the upcoming dot characters to not make it too op because of kafka. Imagine if Kafka wasn't introduced before Black Swan. As we all know right now Black Swan can only surpass/par on the damage of the characters that is introduced much early than her if you have Kafka on her team. Now if we didn't have Kafka right now the Dot units like Black Swan would have to do more damage by himself over the characters before her to really sell up their banner right. And then introducing Kafka later to Powercreept a meta as they always would want it to.
That's the Kafka conundrum, every DoT needs her on the team because she ,almost literally, double the DoT effects by her triggering them. The flip side of that is that she isn't really a DoT enabler so she relies on them but none of the DoT enablers are required technically, you can swap out the only premium DoT enabler for Sampo/Guinafen and to some extent Jiaoqiu. Kafka will always be slotted in as long as long as you have DoT on the enemies
Well-put. Another way of looking at this is that team comps work/are meta because their enablers are good. I sort of wish they would experiment with crazier light cone effects outside of stats/conditional stats, which could allow characters to cross the threshold or combat power creep for specific styles.
The fact that she's a unit with a multiplicative value instead of additive is kinda insane for an early character. She's the x2 in a DoT comp. What most players don't acknowledge is that as long as the next DoT does not detonate DoTs, they will likely powercreep Black Swan first. For example, if Black Swan's theoretical power value is 9 and the next DoT character powercreeping her is 10, BS + the next character is only 19, compared to 10 x 2 (Kafka) = 20.
That's fair, I suppose they'll start making DoT characters with their debuffs only being triggered naturally if they want them to plant nukes, like maybe an imaginary DoT control focused character.
The powercreep in this game is like one of things the community seems really like to brush off. Oh I still can clear easy, oh I still clear with auto then you look at their char and all of them are the meta one. Like no shit you clear ez with e2s1 firefly. HP keep increasing to the point old characters cant catch up fast enough without higher investment. The problem with invesment in f2p wise you gonna hit a ceiling where you can only break with sign lc or eidolon which is very expensive Meta goes so fast, 1.x dps can barely compete unless your 1.x have high investment. One of the biggest cause of this is the release of 2 char every patch. This problem could really be fix if they just stop releasing 2 5star every patch for now. Then some people will try to brush off again like oh look at yt, theres 4star onlu clear. But if you look at those videos, all of their characters are really high af invested like one of the sushang used has 90 cr 160cd. I cant compete with that. Hanya has frickin 174 spd. Yes the characters they use is relatable but those stats arent. Especially with the disastrous relic farming system that make me want to shot myself everytime I finish cavern of corrosion.
Right, like I've seen people who says that they can still clear with their DHIL and Seele or any old dps as their discussion point proving that old characters are still viable, and turns out they always have E2 or E1S1 supports. Like, how can you not think? 😂 It's just as expensive as spending and building for new characters and teams, I would say even more expensive.
174 hanya is pretty easy tbh, she is one of the fastest chars baseline. mine can be built with 197 without even taking her E2 into consideration (with it, it goes up to 220) also vertical investment should be done towards supports, not dps, cause you can utilize them in other teams with other chars you like, even 1.0 ones. i'm still using seele since 1.0 and clearing with very comfy cycles with a sustain. my most used team with her is e1s1 seele (i got lucky at release), e0s1 hanabi, e1s0 fuxuan, e0s0 robin. Even against hoolay on private servers, i managed to get a 3 cycle clear (which can be optimized with better rng) with the same team, which is still below 5 cycles which is the "worst" clear for a team and still have enough cycles for the other team.. and i'm nowhere near thinking of replacing her. their e2s1 firefly will be complete garbage the moment a better superbreak driver comes up. (she is already the most replaceable unit in super break/break teams) 90/160 is easily doable if you commit to upgrade your chars as well. just stop leveling chars and grind. prioritize stats over set. i can build many chars with similar ratio than that without a crit lightcone. my acheron is at 95/255. my seele 101/225. my dhil 92(i think)/180 they have their lc's but just subtract the amount of cr/cd from the stats and you will still see a reasonable build. my himeko runs at 82/150 with her lc, herta 95/150 with 4 star moc lc.
Looking back, topaz came in the 1.4 update, and its still pretty relevant compared to jingliu who came in the same patch, the debuff that topaz provides, plus her s1 or e1 really makes her a better debuffer than most nihility's when it comes to fua teams, sorry for my bad english xd
@@tommyhickin4669 probably because the meta is about to shift and fua can become irrelevant pretty son, which is sad, i really love topaz and aventurine but the day that they become powercreep by newer units will come, sooner or later :c
@@matiasrusso7539 considering that most if not all actions out of turn have been categorized as FuA so far, Its probably safe to say FuAs are going to stay as a main combat mechanic in the same way as Ults, Skills and Basic Attacks will.
Hunts and Erudition units are aging like fine wine. Especially since they've increased the difficulty of PF and added AS. People underestimate how godly Jade enhances Erudition units in PF. And since Aventurine and Robin, Hunt units are clearing the hardest content in 1min. Truly impressive. Topaz and Dr Ratio gained so much value since their initial release.
@@Bravo6The difference being that aventurine THRIVES off of increased HP on bosses, he can just proc his fua, give everyone a shield, and chuck some damage/toughness reduction while he’s at it. I have e0s1 and i use him with my e1s1 rm, and he actually does 135k with his ult + death is a social construct. He’s made for the hard mode of this game.
@@matiasalejandro3362I'm not OP, and I do think Aventurine is better in most scenarios, but I personally prefer Fuxuan's CR buff in my E2 Acheron team. Fuxuan's CR buff, along with Sparkle S1, Acheron E1, and the relic effects, gives you 100% CR with just 40% CR out-of-battle. It let's me run a CD chest-piece and I end up with a 45/296 ratio. Fuxuan also enables 'mono' quantum with Sparkle and SW to guarantee the lightning RES down debuff.
I would say Robin too. Strong buffs, is BiS in most teams (except break), and 100% AV for the entire team is invaluable, and will scale with the strength of future units
not really BiS, more like the better choice cause of the AV, she is for sure BiS in the fua comp, no one beats her there, the criteria to be BiS is the characters can fully utilize her kit, I mean all of it, no other comps benefit on her other traces than FUA, but she is still the btter choice tho
i agree with everyone but tingyun, tingyun didnt really fall off, shes just mostly limited to teams that need her energy replenish really much like argenti or yunli teams or robin teams aswell
I think Aventurine is almost the most universal character I have ever used. He's skill point friendly since his talent is triggered not only from follow up attacks but also getting hit. So aoe attacks trigger it multiple times. So, he gets slotted into follow up teams and Skill point heavy teams. And when he uses a follow up attack, he debuffs the enemy with increase damage up to 16%. Both side of this can be triggered with one of his talents. So now he can also be slotted into the Acheron team. His ult is also a debuff so another thing for Acheron. Then is E1 is another buff of crit damage plus you now have an on-hand shield whenever you need that can potentially trigger his follow up to give you another shield. Oh, and the shields stack. His e2 is another debuff so even more for Acheron. So, at e2s1 A 20% crit damage buff from E1 A debuff of increased damage by 10% from light cone Ult give a debuff of 15% crit damage from ult Basic attack gives a debuff of all type res of 12% from E2 Plus, a stacking shield from talent and ult. So, he should be the top of lasting characters if fu xuan is there. There is really only two teams i wouldn't put him in. That's break and DOT Edit: Thanks to the comment of @niigolover i re-looked at the light cone and realized that the crit damage was not party wide.
Honestly agree, I genuinely dont know how Huohuo is considered more universal/useful when shes sp neutral to keep up her healing and is just miserable to use. As someone with both Aventurine and Huohuo, theres almost never a situation I'd use Huohuo over him in any of the endgame modes, and most times my other team would use Gallagher instead even if it wasnt a break team
im kinda scared about Acheron's situation...like,2-3 patches after feixiao's release i really feel like her dmg would be significantly lower as they introduce new mechanics and enemies... for people who aren't pulling for jiaoqiu, she'll be performing significantly worse,and by the time his rerun comes, she'd probably be even irrelevant, unfortunately.. honestly the game is getting kinda expensive too in a way.soon you'd need 3 limited characters in that team or the main dps would be performing real bad,and hence they'll release those support reruns one by one lol
Well yeah maybe for E0S0 to S1 . Those who have E2S1 will stand longer . My 2nd account have E2S1 DanHeng + Harmony MC E6S1 + Ruan Mei S1E1 + Sparkle E0S1 / Aventurine E1S1 / S0 ( if I put Gepard LC ) can clear endgame with high score in Apo & zero cycle in MoC
You can already tell by the break team. The end game is shifting to break and follow up atk now. Acheron’s still strong but no longer satisfying to play in end game content.
Hu tao has recently only been directly powercrept by arlechinno. Same element, same weapon, same basic atk playstyle, same mark dot, doesn’t need healers,
Nothing makes you more resistant to powercreep than not caring about the FOMO and meta and just pull the character you want and invest in them vertically youll still be clearing everything just fine.leave the meta to the sweaty tryhards who find fun in suffering
lol find fun in suffering???? It should be fun fun in success. Pls do not underestimate meta player unlike casual who more likely to leave for another game when their are bored because they never been passionate about playing it in the first place
@@ruivru1939 damn yall take my opinion too seriously lmao and where is the part where im pressed tho?when all i wanna say is at the end of the day its just a game.pull who you want and leave the 0 clears to the tryhards.
@@liwzzie8098Fu xuan can work perfectly whitouth his lc but yeah these days fu xuan it's not that good it's awesome still but aventurine it's better and huohuo its a great support
One of the few gacha content creators who makes videos I don’t skip through impatiently and my guy does these in like 1 take every time. Absolutely goated
sorry for the wall of text people say support and sustain are the least likely to be powercrept, but could it be that it's because dps gets released wayyyy more often? yeah no wonder a 1.0 5* dps is worse than 2.3 5* dps (in terms of ease of use, skill floor, numbers, whatever) when there's been almost a dozen other dps between them like people say aven powercrept fuxuan. regardless of that argument's validity, imagine if they had released 4 other limited preservation by now, it'd be even more likely that fuxuan wouldve been even worse off (not saying she's bad, but relatively speaking). the 3 limited harmony, 2 of them have some form of advance forward, a mechanic exclusive to bronya for 7 patches. they released only one limited harmony that didnt have it (ruan mei) before going "fuck it, advfor is broken, give variations of it to the next 2". imagine if they had released 2 more harmony by now, how "bad" would bronya/ruan mei be by now (again, not saying theyre bad, just relative to newer units)
The moment HSR added temporary HP as a over healing mechanic pretty much every 5* healer will be on par with 5* shielders The problem rn is DPS every patch enemies in MoC and AS are getting tankier and tankier even getting more toughness bar HP to the point that patch 1.x DPS can't even compete anymore. Topaz might be the sole 1.x 'DPS' that withstand the test of time but still it's because she plays more like a "nihility" support rather than a DPS It was only in 1.4 or 1.5 i believe where bosses have 1 million HP now bosses have almost 2.5 million HP. Any DPS that can't easily do over 100k DPS would be irrelevant soon. But hey at least you can now put old DPS sig LC on the new characters.
E1 fu xuan is pretty nice, adding 30% CD, although it isn't that nescesary it's great. Only thing i wish for FX is that her heals were slightly higher.
This is a fantastic video. Really well explained about the state of the past, present and future with the game's meta and the value in the units. I sent it to my friend so he could understand the differences aren't too crazy when it comes to dps and that like most gachas the supports are always king!
I'm sorry but you're crazy if think Aventurine isn't better than fu xuan, ever since got him never used her again, for me Aventurine and Huohuo are the best sustains we have in the game
fu xuan has fallen off man, its very hard to sustain against CC heavy enemies like kafka, and some straight up bypass her mitigation, like the dinosaur which does quantum dmg
I thought about this the other day and I was puzzled when he put fu xuan in first place. like yeah she's a pseudo abundance and harmony character but lately I notice that she either gets one shot from the abundance of AoE hard hitting attacks in the current meta, or my whole team gets whittled down in apocalpytic shadow until she's the only one left and keeps herself alive cuz she doesnt have to worry about healing others anymore. Also her most meta team that was mono quantum sucks now
The game incentivize and reward players who play certain gamestyle for a certain end game content. Hence, I think it's better to pull and invest to various gamestyle specifically FUA, Super Break, DOT and somewhat of a Hypercarry (one at a time). This of course is very hard and expensive in practice. But it benefits characters that had hybrid playstyles ex. Himeko (FUA, SB, in addition being great for PF). Fortunately, the game is generous by giving free and great units. My account is only 5months old but I have decent FUA, SB and Hypercarry team. Right now I'm building Hunt March 7th and Xueyi. If the leaks are true about the new banner system, I'm contemplating whether to pull Robin or Kafka. Pulling Robin will free Ruan Mei on my FUA team and it's not great for DOT team without Kafka....... And I don't know when these two will have another rerun.
It's almost like this trashcan magician event is to practice for it. Like how "tales of the fantastic" in 1.2 was like a practice run for pure fiction (they're both even story themed), ever since then I've been on the lookout for "oh what could this event turn into permanently in the meta?"
Almost all top 5 tbh, JQ over Robin is wild too, and I don't see how DOTs will match superbreak or acheron in the future. Kafka BS is very pitiful with all the investment it requires compared to FUA.
@@Splinnee the ignore shields is cope, the burn lightcone isn't even optimal anymore since jiaoqiu is acheron's best support and he kills the necessity for the trend lc. the fua comps keep increasing and aventurine is the best sustain for them while being good in basically any comp, while fu xuan isn't even the best sustain for monoquantum anymore. hence aventurine and gallagher being the only sustains in the S+/T0 in all tierlists
One thing I really like EOD is he never trash talks Luocha 😆. Yes, he has the least offensive utility among the sustainers. But his +1 SP will always be useful. And whenever you face HP-drain bosses (like SAM and the Disciple lady) he will be your best pick.
Also his buff removal is so helpful. It’s really great when they place Mara-struck enemies in the endgame content (or when you went to get rid of Argenti’s buffs)
I find it amazing Robin is not in the most resistant to power creep category. Even outside follow-up she is one of the most powerful supports and often the most powerful support in the game. Only place she does not belong is in break. Otherwise she is one of the strongest options in any other team. I would certainly not consider Jiaoqiu anywhere near as good as Robin down the line outside Acheron teams. After playing with Fu Xuan a lot I have noticed that she has quite a number of weaknesses where I found her sustain power to be weak. Some enemies just strait up ignore her damage mitigation and do a percentage damage to hp bars or they just bypass her damage mitigation mechanic like the Ascended or Sam. To the point I found Gepard or Bailu superior in those instances. I literally could not beat Sam for a while and kept dying with Fu Xuan. Then all I did was switch to my underbuilt Gepard and easily cleared in one try with no other differences. Gepard was far superior in that specific fight. You will also notice Fu Xuan weakness in very long fights for people who do not have the top dps team available to them to make the fight as short as possible. Present Inebriated in Revelry elite enemy is also really painful to deal with. Among all elite enemies I think it has the highest damage output. Aventurine might have his own weaknesses down the line if he fights enemies that never physically attack you and just throw enemies like Present Inebriated in Revelry at you with high effect hit rate.
Exactly that with the FX situation. Last ApocShadow run I tried to run my mono quantum and I kept getting snared and frozen by cococ*nt. I refused to believe the FuXuan was the problem until I switched to my very well built E6 Lynx and she had no issue cleansing and sustaining. It was sad because I pulled for FuXuan to replace Lynx as my sustain in my mono quantum....
The powercreep is there but based on my observation, it only hits hard on those who used to clear withing 0-2 cycles on MOC, or fast clear on PF. Im still clearing all the other game modes just fine, sometimes lack on 1 star on MOC 12 but thats that just by using the traditional F2P teams or budget team. I'm at the point of not worrying so much about the meta shifts or powercreep cus i'll pull important character on every damage department whether its FUA, DOT, Hypercarry, Break teams. But most importantly i will prioritize more on HARMONY units, for defensive units i'll just have them about 2 of the limited ones and the other 4 star ones, if i cant, i will just wait for em reruns. My fav team consist of Break & Followups unit due to how easy to get em (Mostly are free) Gallagher + HMC + Boothill/Firefly + Ruan Mei Dr Ratio + Topaz + Aventurine + Sparkle
Same. I found that my team leads me more on FUA and Super Break. And these styles are super fun to play with. Currently building Hunt March 7th and Xueyi😊
HSR powercreep is cyclic. Not linear. It switch back and forth between the different playstyle. 1.0-1.4 : Destruction meta for DPS. Shielders for supports. 1.4-16 : FuA AoE, DoT for DPS. Healers for support. 1.6-2.4 : Break DPS, shielders 2 4- : FuA single target, healers The current event with trashcan is actually foreshadowikg the next planet meta : HP draining meta
Unfortunately, people are still sleeping on robin because they think she's inferior to mei despite robin being bis for almost every team, excluding break.
Preference in play-styles and comfort. Ruan Mei is easy to build, is SP positive and can use a 3* LC. I personally skipped Robin and I've been perfectly fine. I just don't like that you lose control of her when she's in her Burst mode. Robin is an amazing unit to have for sure, but the way Hoyo does their "powercreep" is by releasing content that directly counters the specific advantages that specific unit offers. For example, imagine the energy drain that those little TV guys throw at you currently. on a chunky elite enemy in a wave. Resistance to powercreep isn't about which unit is currently BiS in most teams atm. Its about what mental gymnastics Hoyo will go to and what they will throw at you to make the targeted unit not feel "optimal to play" vs the current end-game content. In a sense, it is easier to target Robins weaknesses than it is to target RuanMei weaknesses.
@@MiIkywayCookie Did you watch the video? For teams that have Robin as BIS, Ruan Mei is usually the second bes. But she is easier to use, does not rely on FUAs to keep up her ult, can generate SP, and is the BIS in break team (Robin is not even close here, unlike RM who is usually the second best to Robin). Robin is the BIS for a lot of teams, but RM is more universal for this reason
@@xxartemisxx1982 If we're gonna talk abt which ones is easier to use, shouldn't we have simple units like Luocha here? Imo should've added Robin as honorable mention atleast
The thing is.... This is mostly Harmony star rail, there are TONS of characters that deal damage but character who support or tank is Very few, so what makes a character last for a long time is not how much damage it can deal, but how versatile it is. For example Jingliu and Topaz, holy shiet back then so many trashed her low damage and compares it with Jingliu 😅 but now look at Jingliu got benched, she stay in the basement full of dust. The thing is, Topaz damage is not that amazing but she has support capabilities, soo far in FuA team there's not a single Main dps in FuA team, just a sub dps that does half damage and half support, and when fua main dps came (Feixiao), the meta suddenly got shoved out of the window. 😂 So far characters that have multiple capabilities (besides Harmony, cuz limited harmony are broken no question) are.... Kafka, epitome of DoT team. Will fit into ANY dot team, but haven't got any more partner besides Black Swan. Even if future dot characters came she will still be used because of her abilities to proc dot immediately. Topaz, not amazingly high dps but deal good amount, Sp positive unit, has amazing damage boosting capabilities. If Kafka is a must unit in dot team then Topaz is another must unit in premium FuA team. (Please don't compare it with Robin. She's literally broken in every team, not just FuA) Aventurine, tanking, dealing damage, effect resistance, crit damage buff. Tons of stuff total all-rounder support. I didn't write Fu Xuan, yes she's another good tank unit with supporting capabilities such as max hp, heal and crit, but in recent patch she's proven to be underwhelming in certain situations such as Sam or any DoT bosses. Aventurine shield are way more convenient in all those situation. Jiaoqui, very versatile. Like Pela with damage and weakness reducing capabilities. Boothill and Firefly, both are break dps that can implant weakness, soo both of this unit will last a long time since you can brute force any content 😅 with this weakness implant stuff Silver Wolf uniqueness became more nill. I don't mention abundance because it's a given that healer is a staple unit on every game, although I do have to admit Luocha is still standing strong till now, even outperforming Huohuo in terms of sustain (heal), since Huohuo are more into offensive healer. (Boost atk and energy) And sorry but I have to disagree with Acheron, she DOESN'T have weakness implant dude. Yes she's super broken and deal tons of AoE damage but her versatility are even worst than Feixiao, she constantly needs 2 or at least 1 other Nihility which makes her team versatility not that great with other unit. You'll most likely use her, 2 nihility and a sustain. OR her, 1 nihility, a sustain and harmony probably. In feixiao case, she doesn't care what you use, it doesn't have to be FuA unit, as long as that character is fast or using speed boots that's all she need. Which makes dual dps viable too
I think Sparkle will always be unique with what she does. Other units can buff/detonate dots like Kafka such as 4* variants for their specific typing (Luka) and more premium options will def come down the line. I think this is the case for Ruan Mei as well. Weakness Break Efficiency is a buff that can be manipulated through different buffs/conditions (though she is currently the only one who offers it teamwide iirc) and while unique atm can be easily made up by future releases or game conditions that neuter wb eff. On the other hand, skill point manipulation is something that is integral gameplay irrespective of weakness typing etc. Ruan Mei's skill requires a sp, all noteworthy skills do, and if the game decides to punish for usage of SP then Sparkle could still provide a surplus and enable her lc buff and wait for the condition to end whereas if weakness break eff is neutered then Ruan Mei is useless outside of the speed buff and slight dmg boost. I have my doubts of them releasing another unit like Sparkle, maybe another one that is significantly SP positive but I sincerely doubt they will release a unit that can increase the size of your SP pool again. I could be wrong though since they are first and foremost incentivized by monetary gains.
@@harry6699 you're right but if you're pulling eidolons, I don't know how concerned you should be in future investment. RM will always be a staple and what she does will always be relevant in some way. I just don't think we'll ever see another unit that just increases how much SP you can hold by just existing.
Fu xuan is nice but I’d rather have Aventurine who makes me take 0 damage and helps more against enemies who spam debuffs with just a little extra effect res built on everyone
Good point but it makes sense why he chose her over Aventurine because she’s a very early released unit. She’s been out much longer than aventurine and she’s a better example as a preservation unit that has aged very well over time.
@@LeoDragoGR well i wouldnt say shes a better example since aventutine does everything and i say everything needed for a sustain, plus he doesnt require that much investment and he gives and deals dmg and there isnt a team that aventurine doesnt fit
@@UnknownUser-te7rg you know your beiling willfulling ignorant... also yeah he can work not the best but better than fu, since blade can heal himself having a shield would help and since he'll have morr crit aventurine would give him more dmg
I do think feixiao will actually be tough to power creep because she does the two things hunt characters struggle with: being able to ult without worrying about energy (seele, ratio, topaz) gain more damage with an energy boosting harmony character available. Feixiao ignores this and only cares about frequency of team attacks) and the 100% weakness break. This means she can even go into teams without follow up attackers or on any fua team in the future if she is power crept as a weakness break character support down the road.
people talk about fu xuan powercreep by aven, i don't think she has powercreep, it's just that aven outperforms her in all the end game content we have at the moment
I have fu and I kinda hate that she doesn't give any shields at all. Because of how she takes any damage dealt to teammates mine usually dies to Cocolia's aoe when she is in Moc. Her power level is very different with and without her traces in each too.
@@karantej6702I would also say that luocha keeps the team alive, but that's not the point, for a long time the HSR community has followed a meta based on tier lists and usage rates, because it's more trustworthy. and we know how aventurine performed after it was released, it always outperforms fu xuan in any end game content, even in the newest game modes like AS where aven has more advantages than fu where it can help toughness break quickly.
@@ventrue7If your Fu Xuan is dying your build for her just sucks. Outside of GnG, mines lives perfectly fine with and without her LC. The only thing adv has an advantage over her is in FuA teams. Other than that niche they both perform their jobs perfectly fine at e0s0.
@@DashawnLoves yeah thats why I'm saying she kinda needs investment for her to not die like high hp and almost full traces unlike my gallagher and aventurine doing just fine with minimal investment.
I like your takes are so independent and well reasoned, a lot of the other content creators are just following and supporting each others talking points without any factual basis
Aside from what you mentioned, EOD, Tingyun's case is actually really funny. She ends up being Robin's best support, especially with the extra energy her Ultimate gives an ally at E6, so one of her niche (but powerful) cases (mainly for zero-cycling) is for turbocharging Robin, AND that 60% DMG boost to Robin's Ult DMG because of Tingyun's DMG buff in her Ult.
DoT archetype is hard to powercreep cause they deal damage regardless of whether they are broken or with shield. This is my go team in DU and SU (which is usually the fun endgame part of the game). They deal slow but significant damage when built properly. Kafka is required though. I am coping in the future that a unit that allows DoT to crit will be released. 😂😂
@@Exodia_99if they stay true to nature of cleansing, enemies should be able to cleanse 1 debuff at a time only. Given that DoT stacks and has different elements (fire, wind, bleed, lightning), only one will be cleansed. But of course, you still have a point if the game decided FULL cleansing… if that time comes, there must be a character that can FULLY cleanse as well. As for debuff immunity, I still think it is far from happening, because if they do that, they are 100% disabling Nihility Path whose main purpose is debuffing.
saying that a unit is resistant to powercreep in honkai is like saying that a youtuber will never fall off. The game is so damn plain that powercreep will consume everyone no matter what you try to do. even ruan mei is gradually being taken over by robin, then they release a new support. Point being, stop worrying about trying to combat powercreep in this game. Flavour of the patch is the only "meta" there is. Instead of going against the current, the easiest way to play is to get a new dps every 2 patches when meta shifts since most of the time, content favors a new unit for around that long. Or just straight up forget about moc, pf and as. These modes do not test your skill, only relic quality and whether you have a unit to take advantage of the buffs. With rather copium relics and any characters (meaning you can pull literally who you want, not who you need in terms of meta) you can get to floor 11 consistently, which is 90% of the mode.
They are both semi uni characters with niches they aren’t competing with each other lol also I highly doubt theirs a day we’re kafka will get the boot out of a dot comp
@@aidenharris5296 hoyo would have to release a new unit that triggers all dot and then some, and even then i doubt kafka wouldn't benefit from that since you now have 2 units that frontload dots. xingqiu yelan moment
Literally everything you said about Ruan Mei applies to Robin, she can literally fit into all the team archetypes except breakup, you can really integrate her there if you want anyway, it's going to be worse than a Ruan Mei yes but it will still help you a lot, which also applies to Ruan, Mei works for all teams, but if you compare her with Robin in Fua or even in other teams that are not Fua, Robin is better or the same. In general, both are useful in everything, one shines more than the other in certain teams but in general they are equally good "having two ruan mein would be great" if you have robin and her, you already have what you're talking about And I know that people are going to come to defender Ruan Mei and I will just say, at what point am I leaving Ruan Mei in a bad light? I'm just saying that they both have a high value and that what he said about Ruan Mei can be applied exactly to Robin. I used a translator for this, sorry if it's a little strange. and to emphasize the point why some get angry, they are both equally good, I'm sorry if you can't accept that because of your fanaticism.
your ideas are so easy to grasp and understand. thank you! Luocha has been my go to SP generator for so long. i mostly just swap between him and FX as sustain i don't have RM, JQ, and huohuo, but I'm pretty happy with my account thus far
I feel like you are sleeping on Robin and Topaz, who will only keep getting better as more FuA character release. Like there is no way Jiaoqiu is above them.
I’m never forgiving them for what they did to my Jingliu. I’m still clearing up to MOC 10 with her but man I wish they wouldn’t make older units so damn useless in newer metas. I get it it’s to sell newer units but they don’t need to make it so brutal. And my Jingliu is at 40% Crit rate and 220% CritDMG
@@devika2545 her traces are maxed I can clear floor ten against the deer Team Ruan Mei E6 Pela/Bronya HuoHuo Jingliu but she’s unfortunately not so good against enemies that have no ice weakness
Sparkle is a bad example considering she is doing worse than Bronya currently for the most optimized clears, unless she is whaled out. Many people cite usage rates but this is a bad metric because what the average player likes to use is not necessarily what is best. And Bronya/Ting being non limited means they are always going to have worse trending averages because there will be more people who have them and either don't use them or don't use them optimally.
Me, with Luocha (I am playing since day 1) and Aventurine (+ Gallagher e5), and who pull for Nihility / Harmony characters only, and only pulled for a few top tier dps just because i loved their lore (Argenti back then, Acheron and Feixiao) : 🎉
Kafka's kit is also made to take advantage of new DoT units being released so she'll always be relevant. I think this is deliberate so that she can always be useful and a strong choice whenever she pops up again in the story. Based on that logic, nihility TB is going to be one of the BiS characters for DoT team.
I think for F2P players I would never recommend this game. They release 2 new 5* characters every patch and build the game mechanics around them. They are like how all the Chinese things you buy in the dollar store. Garbage. But if you still want to play here’s my list that will help you clear the game competitively for a long time. 1. Ruan Mei 2. Acheron 3. Robin 4. Firefly 5. Aventurine 6. Huo Huo/Fu Xuan Everything else will be power creeped either now or later. GL
The best units are the ones you currently have available. You're relatively new (2-4months old acc) and you struggle with content? Badly need Harmony/Sustain? If you don't have RM, Robin, Sparkle - get which ever reruns SOONER. If you don't have FX, Aventurine, HuoHuo or Luocha - get which ever reruns SOONER. "Ooho X p0w3rcr3p7 Y" are such bs comments meant to scare you. Once more, for the ones in the back of the classroom. If you seriously NEED the help of a Harmony character and you have neither Ruan Mei nor Robin - Get which ever reruns SOONER. Get your full star clears, get your Jades, pull more characters you like, have fun. You will be fine.
@@niigoloverGacha games always have a select few characters who are future proof. Usually you can tell based on if they’re popular, as well as having a “universal” utility to them. I.E Kafka. She won’t be your main dps anymore down the road. But the fact she can enable EVERY DoT unit makes her a huge stable (even if not mandatory anymore) for the DoT units. Ganyu has been powercrept 20 times over in Genshin, yet the moment an enemy doesn’t have ice res, she shreds through spiral abyss.
@@aidenharris5296genshin powercreep it not the same as HSR because the nature of the combat is extremely different. One is linear the other is cyclic. Must pull units are those who can unconditionnally force brut anything like destruction units. Even if the buffs don't favor their playstyle, they can still get the job done. Must pull units for supports are those with advanced forward mecanism. I've clear the endgame content just fine with only Bronya. But she's overworked and I'll pull for Robin because she's the only one limited Harmony that is worth it (and the only one good person lore-wise compared to Sparkle and Ruan Mei).
my jaw dropped opening this video and seeing you there, i was so hype putting the face to the man saving my life in these games, thank you for your content as always
I love this content. Whenever I'm unsure of a character, I always check out your videos and they convinced me to pull for both Fu Xuan and Huohuo recently and your analysis have been spot on and I'm not regretting it at all! Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos and for how clearly you break things down. I look forward to your analysis on a certain fox general I hope we get soon. =P
I agree with all the unit choices, except for Huohuo. Cmiiw, but wouldn't a 160 spd gallagher with qpq work just as well? He can cleanse, has crazy healing, an sp generating machine, and he can abuse qpq's energy generation with how often he takes action per turn. And best of all: you don't need to spend 160 pulls for him. I've replaced Aven with gall on my ipc fua team and it makes my rotations feel so much more smoother. He's so good that I don't feel the need to pull a 2nd 5 star sustain.
Now put that lc on huo Who has better cleanses, better healing, better buffs Also if you replaced aven with gallagher on your ipc teams then your simply doing something wrong with aven
@@lordprawn8216 Sure, you can use qpq on hh, but gall is the best user for that LC because of his frequent action advance. I don't think you understand how much he can abuse qpq's energy regeneration. And yeah you're right; hh does have better buffs, and cleanses. But heals? Gallagher doesn't even need to spend sp to fully heal his team, because of his ult and debuffs. and fyi I replace aventurine for gall because the ipc fua team is notoriously sp hungry, and gall is (as I said) an sp generating machine. And using robin in tandem with gall is actually a popular choice now, because of his sp positivity and ability to battery robin and the whole team--leading to more ults and more damage in exchange for aven's comfort.
@@balutteryHonestly? You can pretty much skip the sig if you want. Robin's sig gives you ER and a big dmg boost. If you use gall with qpq that fixes her energy problems, and the f2p lc's dmg boost at s5 is slightly worse than the sig. Heck, most people would recommend getting robin's e1 first if you do want to upgrade her. That's what I'm planning to do too. Skip sig, get e1, and use her with gall. Alternatively, you can also use bronya's sig if you want even higher uptime on robin's ult.
@@specs9818 yeah that's what i plan on too but characters are so expensive compared to sig and i probably im never getting bronya lc so i was in 2 minds :c thankss!!
24:00 - I love Huohuo too! The cleanse before the turn is really game changing. Other characters who can cleanse do it AFTER they skill, or cast Ultimate., but with HuoHuo, you can do it passively as long as you keep the talent up. I didn’t like Huohuo”s design because I don’t like the color green, but I’ve used her in ebery team, even Acheron team.
as the roster grows so as the confusion on team synergies. I hope we only get the best team setup. coz investing in characters and eidolons and build is not a joke in hsr. dps powercreep is so frustrating and new improved support is misleading. so Ive decided to e6s5 acheron and firefly as my endgame plan. hopefully I'll enjoy the game nonetheless. and I plan on getting boothill coz I have e4 bronya e0s1 sparkle. thats why Im frustrated for getting sparkle for seele and mono quantum when I should have gotten boothill instead for break for heavier content.
A huge benefit of Jiaoqiu against power creep is how frequently his debuff reapplies itself to maintain uptime. Enemies, especially bosses, are getting faster and faster and making it harder to keep permanent uptime on conventional debuffs like pela’s without giving her insane amounts of speed, since they take more turns and debuffs expire. Field style debuffs like Jiaoqiu’s seem much more resistant to speed based power creep I think. I know he has a 6 application limit but that’s a longer window to charge his ult again than anyone else has.
I have Acheron and Firefly but I'll always use Jingliu as long as I can use her. If she needs more supports to deal more DMG, I'll pull that support. But as long as we get new characters, it's normal to use old characters less and new characters more
I did one ten pull on jiaoqiu and got him without pity. Didn’t know a lot about him so I’m so relieved that he’s in this video. That means that my pull wasn’t wasted 😅
I would've said Jade belongs in there somewhere as long as Pure Fiction exists. They can always add more "attack all" characters to overtake Herta and Clara, but I think Jade is so unique and very easy for players to build/use effectively.
she will, I think hoyo gonna take the future of the game that focused on jade archetype which is pure fiction and the other one is hunt focused content, which kinda nerf destruction meta unit. it's so sad because almost every unit getting powercreep by destruction
3:53 , There WILL be new mode for sure. My take is the Turn Based RAID-Mode, where 1 team has MORE than 4 unit in a team, like maybe 10 units. There will be ALL type of enemies from Weekly bosses like apocalyptic shadow, MOC, and Pure fiction. IT WILL COME, it just matter of time. Also, my take in the ULTIMATE goal of Hoyoverse is they will create another game, where ALL characters from ALL their previous and future games combined in 1 Verse. Also, just matter of time till this become a reality.
Top 5 powercreep resistant units: -Ruan Mei -Aventurine -Kafka -Robin -Firefly You can debate for Acheron spot with Robin/Firefly. I'm sorry but Fu Xuan, Huohuo and especially Jiaoqiu have no business in this talk.
Not really both aven and fu xuan can keep team alive and aven DMG at e0s0 is trash. Also fu xuan buffing is better then aven bcs it has 100% uptime and aven buffs tied to his ult also only single target so cope hard.
@@karantej6702 hard disagree. Against enemies with many CC attacks like AS Cocollia FX is ass compared to Aven. He also does a ton more damage than FX could ever dream of doing. Aven just shrugs off repeated aoe while FX struggles or dies. Let's not forget that he does more follow ups and damage the more enemies attack AND refreshes shields at the same time, while using no SP. Fu Xuan simply can't compete with Aventurine
Great video, one credit to Acheron not being power crept for me personally is her tech. We are all adults and life happens. The ability to be able to just not have to fight mobs while doing the story is such a massive qol. I just don't think how much being able to avoid fighting all the mobs in sim universe or human creation, the mobs in the main story or side quests, open world farming doesn't care if you dont have lightning your still getting one shot. Being able to save that much time for real world things such as family, school and work including just wanting to play other games. I personally would put her as close to unpowercreepable as you can without literally giving someone else her tech
Hard to say Seele has been powercrept when she clears content like MoC as easily as any other DPS, probably even easier, with the proper setup and gear. SShe's just not as easy to use and requires near perfect gear, but she completely demolishes the content still, especially with Robin and Bronya to make up for the fact she's 'single target'. Hardly 'powercrept.' And she doesn't even need her LC and her eidolons suck so there's no reason to go over E0. Jingliu's problem is that she lacks a good support. She hasn't received ANY support since she came out, Bronya and Pela are still BiS for her. She might come back around when they release a support that's perfect for her.
luocha may not be the flavour of the month but he has never left my teams since day one, that's how comfortable and reliable he is as a healer. I pulled for fuxuan much later than luocha (bcs I was saving for him) and after a while of playing both characters, personally I would say I still prefer luocha more after all this time
Ngl, this video is really good and valid. For me I always been saying Kafka is a good unit, not just cause she does great damage, and it also cause for dot, the team has a really good foundation of starting the game. They low-key gives you Sampo, luka, and guihifen(sorry, im bad with spelling her name😅) through story, event, and banners. I think follow-up is starting to get more popular because of the new dbs and a unit that is a 4-star follow-up character. My whole issue with follow is how expensive it is, but my run it more in this next update fr.
EodHandsomeGamer is the most powercreep resistant unit there is!
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@@EODGamerSG Can you make a video about top 5 ways to be attractive
the powercreep resistant move is to get early support eidolons, robin e1 sparkle e2 and ruan mei e1 then you dont care and deal 1 mil dmg with misha
Real
then new moc just has 1 mil hp trash and new supports make misha do 2 mil so you have to pull for those
i can agree for robin/mei E1 but sparkle benefit more from E2 acheron/IL. Even RM can be arguable if u have FF who stomp hard at E2
@@pandmonium2428but dps can be powercrept while supports tend to survive for a very long time, as long as the new character need their specific buffs
so just pull e6 sparkle and e6 robin, skip everything
He’s so chipper it’s actually nice
Mhm! I didnt know bro smiled so much behind the camera.
I would say the real issue beside power creep is how they shift content to accommodate it and literally ditching it next update in the most chaotic way possible
pretty much most of the limited 5 stars. Hoyoverse optimize the MOC for the featured hero for that banner, and become seemingly irrelevant a few patches later on.
Nobody can power creep luocha in my heart
He still has the most healing 😭
Our only he had overheal effects
@@ravenwong651 heart attack from loving him too much yeah. Nobody but myself damn
@@HazZzel- Ngl I learned that luocha hadn’t left my team since release on that anniversary report thingy lmao
@@petalsonthemoon_ no that's so real he was my most used character until I got Aventurine
seeing the face to voice is nice. thanks for the advice man like always!
i don't understand why it's so important for some people tbh, for me it doesn't matter at all
@@Klyfel having face to look at is nice, help me focus
Investing in kafka and black swan is the best thing I've ever done.
@@regail7143how much damage do u think e1 gives u
@@regail7143 same but at that time I doesn't have Ruan mei. Which I though is gonna be 2-3 cycle more but it's actually not that far (usually 1 cycle more with Pela average 3-4 cycle clear) without Ruan mei.
@regail7143 Agree, I even got an "accidental" E2 trying to chase that E6 for Guinaifen (I thought I needed more DoT units for stacking Arcana faster, and now I don't even use her in DoT teams, but as a budget breaker instead of Firefly). That one makes her pretty fun in PF - stuff just randomly explodes.
@@donew1thita1125% more damage for everything ,lighting, wind, fire, or physical as long as there is a dot for each type
Fr I’m contemplating getting black swan e1 or s1 now
Sustain powecreep is difficult to pull off from a game design perspective, because having more healing is going to be overkill but trying to raise enemy DMG to justify it will retroactively make older characters extremely squishy because their HP is designed around an older meta state. It may even raise backlash because some people may see it as pressure to pull newer characters with higher survivability.
What HSR seems to be doing is just like what they did for Harmony where they make sustains have niche supports. Just like Robin and Ruan Mei cater to Follow Up and Break, so too do Aventurine and Gallagher cater to the same. We're still missing a DoT/Debuffer healer because a certain character was only healer in self-proclaimed manner but not gameplay manner.
hoho is fine for dot
The best example we are having right now , they literally gave Gallagher's whole kit to Lingsha and more but people will prob prefer him anyway.
@@mrJones-ii7sh Why won't gal work with Feixiao? He's a lot more sp positive than Lingsha
Game can just introduce characters that will benefit off overheals. Like how the current SU overheals on the abundance path. If what leaks are true, we will see this.
@@ventrue7Yeah, a Gallagher E6 are just a tiny bit behind Lingsha, small enough to not be worth pulling for her if you have E6 Gallagher
Luocha has the highest healing amount, huohuo provides the most offensive sustain, fu xuan reduces the dmg the most and aventurin negates dmg the most, they all have widely different unique mechanics and benifits
All balanced in theory but your forgetting two of these units have something the others don’t good buffing / damage
@@aidenharris5296Fu has a huge crit rate buff so I'd say she and Huo Huo both bring good support to the table, Aventurine might be the most well rounded at S1 with his debuffs as well as personal damage tho. Then again he can't heal whatsoever while even Fu Xuan can at least pull people back from the danger zone a little at a time. Luocha might be the only one who feels less balanced to me now but AoE cleanse isn't really in demand for endgame these days, but that may change as well
@@aidenharris5296all of them have their uses. If they release self buff enemies, Loucha AoE cleanse would shine like those revive/life-steal. Aven would be useless if there are shield-ignore enemies like GI wolf. Fx/healer kinda bad against that max-HP reduction except HouHou.
@@0v_x0 Aventurine not having heals in his kit is not a negative at all tho. U need to have serious skill issue to die with him in the team.
@@djjain4280 if he's built slow which he often is, large single target attacks can knock down half the shield and then half the char HP. Then you need to use a skill point on his next turn, and you'll never get that HP back. If the same char gets targeted again this can be a pain. This is rarely an issue, if it happens in MoC you can just reset for better RNG, but it does factor into his play style especially in endurance modes like Gold and Gears where outside healing may or may not exist from RNG blessings. It's less an outright negative and more an obvious balance choice
I would say that Kafka actually is the one restricting the damage/power of dot units. She makes the dot team only viable with her. Kafka being introduced so early in the game makes the developer balanced the upcoming dot characters to not make it too op because of kafka.
Imagine if Kafka wasn't introduced before Black Swan. As we all know right now Black Swan can only surpass/par on the damage of the characters that is introduced much early than her if you have Kafka on her team. Now if we didn't have Kafka right now the Dot units like Black Swan would have to do more damage by himself over the characters before her to really sell up their banner right. And then introducing Kafka later to Powercreept a meta as they always would want it to.
That's the Kafka conundrum, every DoT needs her on the team because she ,almost literally, double the DoT effects by her triggering them. The flip side of that is that she isn't really a DoT enabler so she relies on them but none of the DoT enablers are required technically, you can swap out the only premium DoT enabler for Sampo/Guinafen and to some extent Jiaoqiu. Kafka will always be slotted in as long as long as you have DoT on the enemies
Well-put. Another way of looking at this is that team comps work/are meta because their enablers are good. I sort of wish they would experiment with crazier light cone effects outside of stats/conditional stats, which could allow characters to cross the threshold or combat power creep for specific styles.
The fact that she's a unit with a multiplicative value instead of additive is kinda insane for an early character. She's the x2 in a DoT comp.
What most players don't acknowledge is that as long as the next DoT does not detonate DoTs, they will likely powercreep Black Swan first.
For example, if Black Swan's theoretical power value is 9 and the next DoT character powercreeping her is 10, BS + the next character is only 19, compared to 10 x 2 (Kafka) = 20.
That's fair, I suppose they'll start making DoT characters with their debuffs only being triggered naturally if they want them to plant nukes, like maybe an imaginary DoT control focused character.
The powercreep in this game is like one of things the community seems really like to brush off. Oh I still can clear easy, oh I still clear with auto then you look at their char and all of them are the meta one. Like no shit you clear ez with e2s1 firefly. HP keep increasing to the point old characters cant catch up fast enough without higher investment. The problem with invesment in f2p wise you gonna hit a ceiling where you can only break with sign lc or eidolon which is very expensive
Meta goes so fast, 1.x dps can barely compete unless your 1.x have high investment. One of the biggest cause of this is the release of 2 char every patch. This problem could really be fix if they just stop releasing 2 5star every patch for now.
Then some people will try to brush off again like oh look at yt, theres 4star onlu clear. But if you look at those videos, all of their characters are really high af invested like one of the sushang used has 90 cr 160cd. I cant compete with that. Hanya has frickin 174 spd. Yes the characters they use is relatable but those stats arent. Especially with the disastrous relic farming system that make me want to shot myself everytime I finish cavern of corrosion.
Right, like I've seen people who says that they can still clear with their DHIL and Seele or any old dps as their discussion point proving that old characters are still viable, and turns out they always have E2 or E1S1 supports. Like, how can you not think? 😂
It's just as expensive as spending and building for new characters and teams, I would say even more expensive.
You watch too much 0 cycle clear youtube instead of trial and error/building your characters correctly.
174 hanya is pretty easy tbh, she is one of the fastest chars baseline. mine can be built with 197 without even taking her E2 into consideration (with it, it goes up to 220)
also vertical investment should be done towards supports, not dps, cause you can utilize them in other teams with other chars you like, even 1.0 ones. i'm still using seele since 1.0 and clearing with very comfy cycles with a sustain. my most used team with her is e1s1 seele (i got lucky at release), e0s1 hanabi, e1s0 fuxuan, e0s0 robin. Even against hoolay on private servers, i managed to get a 3 cycle clear (which can be optimized with better rng) with the same team, which is still below 5 cycles which is the "worst" clear for a team and still have enough cycles for the other team.. and i'm nowhere near thinking of replacing her.
their e2s1 firefly will be complete garbage the moment a better superbreak driver comes up. (she is already the most replaceable unit in super break/break teams)
90/160 is easily doable if you commit to upgrade your chars as well. just stop leveling chars and grind. prioritize stats over set. i can build many chars with similar ratio than that without a crit lightcone.
my acheron is at 95/255. my seele 101/225. my dhil 92(i think)/180 they have their lc's but just subtract the amount of cr/cd from the stats and you will still see a reasonable build. my himeko runs at 82/150 with her lc, herta 95/150 with 4 star moc lc.
@@darkkforce can you drop your uid, let me see your acheron build
@@biscuitroma1005 true, ofc you know me and my acc better than myself. I just try once, cant 0 cycle and then stop trying. Totally true
Looking back, topaz came in the 1.4 update, and its still pretty relevant compared to jingliu who came in the same patch, the debuff that topaz provides, plus her s1 or e1 really makes her a better debuffer than most nihility's when it comes to fua teams, sorry for my bad english xd
I think Topaz is the most improved character so far, and is very resistant to powercreep. Unsure how she didn’t get a highlight in the video.
@@tommyhickin4669 probably because the meta is about to shift and fua can become irrelevant pretty son, which is sad, i really love topaz and aventurine but the day that they become powercreep by newer units will come, sooner or later :c
@@matiasrusso7539 considering that most if not all actions out of turn have been categorized as FuA so far, Its probably safe to say FuAs are going to stay as a main combat mechanic in the same way as Ults, Skills and Basic Attacks will.
The future gonna be summon meta, so Topaz is prob gonna get another buff.
Hunts and Erudition units are aging like fine wine. Especially since they've increased the difficulty of PF and added AS.
People underestimate how godly Jade enhances Erudition units in PF.
And since Aventurine and Robin, Hunt units are clearing the hardest content in 1min. Truly impressive.
Topaz and Dr Ratio gained so much value since their initial release.
Aventurine is also good he makes the game easy mode.
Well we also thought like that with luocha and now here we are
@Bravo6 Why Fuxuan over Aventurine? I think Aventurine is better
@@Bravo6 Why Fuxuan over Aventurine? I think Aventurine is better
@@Bravo6The difference being that aventurine THRIVES off of increased HP on bosses, he can just proc his fua, give everyone a shield, and chuck some damage/toughness reduction while he’s at it. I have e0s1 and i use him with my e1s1 rm, and he actually does 135k with his ult + death is a social construct. He’s made for the hard mode of this game.
@@matiasalejandro3362I'm not OP, and I do think Aventurine is better in most scenarios, but I personally prefer Fuxuan's CR buff in my E2 Acheron team.
Fuxuan's CR buff, along with Sparkle S1, Acheron E1, and the relic effects, gives you 100% CR with just 40% CR out-of-battle. It let's me run a CD chest-piece and I end up with a 45/296 ratio.
Fuxuan also enables 'mono' quantum with Sparkle and SW to guarantee the lightning RES down debuff.
I would say Robin too. Strong buffs, is BiS in most teams (except break), and 100% AV for the entire team is invaluable, and will scale with the strength of future units
I'm still wondering for how little we know of his brothers kit
not really BiS, more like the better choice cause of the AV, she is for sure BiS in the fua comp, no one beats her there, the criteria to be BiS is the characters can fully utilize her kit, I mean all of it, no other comps benefit on her other traces than FUA, but she is still the btter choice tho
No if we get more dps with hp scaling or more sp consumer like dhil she is going to be bad also dps who atk very slow.
@@koroxo1152 Would probaby be 2.7+ so it inst surprising his kit hasn't leaked yet
@@AnotherAyushRaj Deeply interested on how is he going to compete with his sister
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i agree with everyone but tingyun, tingyun didnt really fall off, shes just mostly limited to teams that need her energy replenish really much like argenti or yunli teams or robin teams aswell
Bro is not a snack, but a whole meal. Respectfully.
I think Aventurine is almost the most universal character I have ever used. He's skill point friendly since his talent is triggered not only from follow up attacks but also getting hit. So aoe attacks trigger it multiple times. So, he gets slotted into follow up teams and Skill point heavy teams. And when he uses a follow up attack, he debuffs the enemy with increase damage up to 16%. Both side of this can be triggered with one of his talents. So now he can also be slotted into the Acheron team. His ult is also a debuff so another thing for Acheron. Then is E1 is another buff of crit damage plus you now have an on-hand shield whenever you need that can potentially trigger his follow up to give you another shield. Oh, and the shields stack. His e2 is another debuff so even more for Acheron.
So, at e2s1
A 20% crit damage buff from E1
A debuff of increased damage by 10% from light cone
Ult give a debuff of 15% crit damage from ult
Basic attack gives a debuff of all type res of 12% from E2
Plus, a stacking shield from talent and ult.
So, he should be the top of lasting characters if fu xuan is there. There is really only two teams i wouldn't put him in. That's break and DOT
Edit: Thanks to the comment of @niigolover i re-looked at the light cone and realized that the crit damage was not party wide.
@@andrewhaydock5557 his lc's 40% crit dmg only applies to himself. It's not teamwide.
@@niigolover Thanks, I took a look at that and didn't notice at all that part was not party wide. I edited my comment to remove that part.
Honestly agree, I genuinely dont know how Huohuo is considered more universal/useful when shes sp neutral to keep up her healing and is just miserable to use. As someone with both Aventurine and Huohuo, theres almost never a situation I'd use Huohuo over him in any of the endgame modes, and most times my other team would use Gallagher instead even if it wasnt a break team
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I think Top 1 Character LEAST resistant to powercreep has to be Blade...
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Of course; man is consistent with them 8-cycle clears 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
I think he might actually have a huge resurgence if they release a support that buffs the team based on the total hp loss/gain, kind of like Furina
I think that title goes to Our General Mi- I mean Jing Yuan.
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im kinda scared about Acheron's situation...like,2-3 patches after feixiao's release i really feel like her dmg would be significantly lower as they introduce new mechanics and enemies...
for people who aren't pulling for jiaoqiu, she'll be performing significantly worse,and by the time his rerun comes, she'd probably be even irrelevant, unfortunately..
honestly the game is getting kinda expensive too in a way.soon you'd need 3 limited characters in that team or the main dps would be performing real bad,and hence they'll release those support reruns one by one lol
hsr powercreep is insane,,,but hey its not as bad as hi3 though
as meta shifts,that is bound to happen so yeah
Well yeah maybe for E0S0 to S1 . Those who have E2S1 will stand longer .
My 2nd account have E2S1 DanHeng + Harmony MC E6S1 + Ruan Mei S1E1 + Sparkle E0S1 / Aventurine E1S1 / S0 ( if I put Gepard LC ) can clear endgame with high score in Apo & zero cycle in MoC
@@Cuddle_with_Furinaagreed yeah,its kinda sad tbh
You can already tell by the break team. The end game is shifting to break and follow up atk now. Acheron’s still strong but no longer satisfying to play in end game content.
"the game is getting kinda expensive"
Does your boss pay you based on how many cycles you use every MOC12?
EODGamer trying to rizz us up with that facecam
They are getting powercrept often than in Genshin while kazuha & Hu Tao haven't gotten powercrept since 1.0. It's quite insane.
Akchulee Arle >>> Hu Tao 🤓
Hu tao has recently only been directly powercrept by arlechinno. Same element, same weapon, same basic atk playstyle, same mark dot, doesn’t need healers,
@@discreaminantbase on persona lity Hu Tao > Ar le
I still can clear all contents with Hu Tao and Kazuha is still one of my most played character.
Arlecchino exists babe
Nothing makes you more resistant to powercreep than not caring about the FOMO and meta and just pull the character you want and invest in them vertically youll still be clearing everything just fine.leave the meta to the sweaty tryhards who find fun in suffering
lol find fun in suffering???? It should be fun fun in success. Pls do not underestimate meta player unlike casual who more likely to leave for another game when their are bored because they never been passionate about playing it in the first place
you do know you can just not care right??? you seem to be so pressed about how othe people play a game
@@ruivru1939 damn yall take my opinion too seriously lmao and where is the part where im pressed tho?when all i wanna say is at the end of the day its just a game.pull who you want and leave the 0 clears to the tryhards.
People really giving fuxuan a lot of credits huh. Meanwhile she's collecting dust on my account.
Omg same she really hard to use without her light cone 😬 only use gallagher and aventurine nowadays
I use mine everywhere and she works perfectly. She is on 7.5k hp, 151 spd, 1700 def.
@@liwzzie8098Fu xuan can work perfectly whitouth his lc but yeah these days fu xuan it's not that good it's awesome still but aventurine it's better and huohuo its a great support
One of the few gacha content creators who makes videos I don’t skip through impatiently and my guy does these in like 1 take every time. Absolutely goated
sorry for the wall of text
people say support and sustain are the least likely to be powercrept, but could it be that it's because dps gets released wayyyy more often? yeah no wonder a 1.0 5* dps is worse than 2.3 5* dps (in terms of ease of use, skill floor, numbers, whatever) when there's been almost a dozen other dps between them
like people say aven powercrept fuxuan. regardless of that argument's validity, imagine if they had released 4 other limited preservation by now, it'd be even more likely that fuxuan wouldve been even worse off (not saying she's bad, but relatively speaking). the 3 limited harmony, 2 of them have some form of advance forward, a mechanic exclusive to bronya for 7 patches. they released only one limited harmony that didnt have it (ruan mei) before going "fuck it, advfor is broken, give variations of it to the next 2". imagine if they had released 2 more harmony by now, how "bad" would bronya/ruan mei be by now (again, not saying theyre bad, just relative to newer units)
The moment HSR added temporary HP as a over healing mechanic pretty much every 5* healer will be on par with 5* shielders
The problem rn is DPS every patch enemies in MoC and AS are getting tankier and tankier even getting more toughness bar HP to the point that patch 1.x DPS can't even compete anymore. Topaz might be the sole 1.x 'DPS' that withstand the test of time but still it's because she plays more like a "nihility" support rather than a DPS
It was only in 1.4 or 1.5 i believe where bosses have 1 million HP now bosses have almost 2.5 million HP. Any DPS that can't easily do over 100k DPS would be irrelevant soon.
But hey at least you can now put old DPS sig LC on the new characters.
Loucha would be broken with the overheal mechanic 😭
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Righttt, i bet u would say something, and i can agree to that 😂
E1 fu xuan is pretty nice, adding 30% CD, although it isn't that nescesary it's great. Only thing i wish for FX is that her heals were slightly higher.
samee. a character that shields and heals would break the game 💀
A healing bonus chest piece and energy recharge rope does it for me
No robin in top 5 and fu xuan over aventurine are crazy takes 💀
Lol. Replace Fu Xuan with Aventurine and Jaoqiu will is too early to even say he'd last long in the meta
@@Hhhh22222-wweve alr gone through ratio and acheron tho:? can it srsly get any better than that
14:29 a quartet?
This is a fantastic video. Really well explained about the state of the past, present and future with the game's meta and the value in the units. I sent it to my friend so he could understand the differences aren't too crazy when it comes to dps and that like most gachas the supports are always king!
lol Fu Xuan over Aventurine, heavily disagree on that. Plus Jiaoqiu is only usable on DoT if he is E2
Topaz and Robin should be above there.
i heard ppl saying jq performs similarly in place of topaz in ipc team tho what do u think
I'm sorry but you're crazy if think Aventurine isn't better than fu xuan, ever since got him never used her again, for me Aventurine and Huohuo are the best sustains we have in the game
fu xuan has fallen off man, its very hard to sustain against CC heavy enemies like kafka, and some straight up bypass her mitigation, like the dinosaur which does quantum dmg
I thought about this the other day and I was puzzled when he put fu xuan in first place. like yeah she's a pseudo abundance and harmony character but lately I notice that she either gets one shot from the abundance of AoE hard hitting attacks in the current meta, or my whole team gets whittled down in apocalpytic shadow until she's the only one left and keeps herself alive cuz she doesnt have to worry about healing others anymore. Also her most meta team that was mono quantum sucks now
@@xXMAPLEPROX yeah we need a new quantum hypercarry asap
The game incentivize and reward players who play certain gamestyle for a certain end game content. Hence, I think it's better to pull and invest to various gamestyle specifically FUA, Super Break, DOT and somewhat of a Hypercarry (one at a time). This of course is very hard and expensive in practice. But it benefits characters that had hybrid playstyles ex. Himeko (FUA, SB, in addition being great for PF).
Fortunately, the game is generous by giving free and great units. My account is only 5months old but I have decent FUA, SB and Hypercarry team. Right now I'm building Hunt March 7th and Xueyi. If the leaks are true about the new banner system, I'm contemplating whether to pull Robin or Kafka. Pulling Robin will free Ruan Mei on my FUA team and it's not great for DOT team without Kafka....... And I don't know when these two will have another rerun.
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I think we're going into summon meta soon
It's almost like this trashcan magician event is to practice for it. Like how "tales of the fantastic" in 1.2 was like a practice run for pure fiction (they're both even story themed), ever since then I've been on the lookout for "oh what could this event turn into permanently in the meta?"
FX over Aventurine is kinda wild.
Definitely cope
Almost all top 5 tbh, JQ over Robin is wild too, and I don't see how DOTs will match superbreak or acheron in the future.
Kafka BS is very pitiful with all the investment it requires compared to FUA.
@@diex3374 agree, it's a very bad list. Robin, RM, Aven, Gallagher, and 1 of the dps, probably Acheron would be much more adequate list.
Sounds like you all have poorly invested Fu Xuas. Mine is 12khps with 2100 defence e6/s1 and does just fine
@@TheRoleplayer40k 😂
fu xuan is already powercreept and struggles in the endgame, specially in AS, and bro really but her above aventurine 😭
@@Splinnee the ignore shields is cope, the burn lightcone isn't even optimal anymore since jiaoqiu is acheron's best support and he kills the necessity for the trend lc. the fua comps keep increasing and aventurine is the best sustain for them while being good in basically any comp, while fu xuan isn't even the best sustain for monoquantum anymore. hence aventurine and gallagher being the only sustains in the S+/T0 in all tierlists
not just AS, but in GaG especially higher levels in conundrum against massive AoE enemies
One thing I really like EOD is he never trash talks Luocha 😆. Yes, he has the least offensive utility among the sustainers. But his +1 SP will always be useful. And whenever you face HP-drain bosses (like SAM and the Disciple lady) he will be your best pick.
This! Honestly, he's still the only *5 limited sustain I have in my acc (Fuxuan-less, Huohuo-less, Aventurine-less) since 1.0
Also his buff removal is so helpful. It’s really great when they place Mara-struck enemies in the endgame content (or when you went to get rid of Argenti’s buffs)
No fr. He's a pure healer, and he's always my go to when I'm playing Blade
@@mugipyon723 Luocha was my only 5* sustain until Aven, and then I recently got Huohuo on her rerun. He carried me so far!
gallagher better
I find it amazing Robin is not in the most resistant to power creep category. Even outside follow-up she is one of the most powerful supports and often the most powerful support in the game. Only place she does not belong is in break. Otherwise she is one of the strongest options in any other team. I would certainly not consider Jiaoqiu anywhere near as good as Robin down the line outside Acheron teams.
After playing with Fu Xuan a lot I have noticed that she has quite a number of weaknesses where I found her sustain power to be weak. Some enemies just strait up ignore her damage mitigation and do a percentage damage to hp bars or they just bypass her damage mitigation mechanic like the Ascended or Sam. To the point I found Gepard or Bailu superior in those instances. I literally could not beat Sam for a while and kept dying with Fu Xuan. Then all I did was switch to my underbuilt Gepard and easily cleared in one try with no other differences. Gepard was far superior in that specific fight. You will also notice Fu Xuan weakness in very long fights for people who do not have the top dps team available to them to make the fight as short as possible.
Present Inebriated in Revelry elite enemy is also really painful to deal with. Among all elite enemies I think it has the highest damage output. Aventurine might have his own weaknesses down the line if he fights enemies that never physically attack you and just throw enemies like Present Inebriated in Revelry at you with high effect hit rate.
Exactly that with the FX situation. Last ApocShadow run I tried to run my mono quantum and I kept getting snared and frozen by cococ*nt. I refused to believe the FuXuan was the problem until I switched to my very well built E6 Lynx and she had no issue cleansing and sustaining. It was sad because I pulled for FuXuan to replace Lynx as my sustain in my mono quantum....
@@xXMAPLEPROXI cleared it all with mono-q without any worries
I would say Feixiao is part of the Archeron crew not the next phase.
The powercreep is there but based on my observation, it only hits hard on those who used to clear withing 0-2 cycles on MOC, or fast clear on PF.
Im still clearing all the other game modes just fine, sometimes lack on 1 star on MOC 12 but thats that just by using the traditional F2P teams or budget team.
I'm at the point of not worrying so much about the meta shifts or powercreep cus i'll pull important character on every damage department whether its FUA, DOT, Hypercarry, Break teams. But most importantly i will prioritize more on HARMONY units, for defensive units i'll just have them about 2 of the limited ones and the other 4 star ones, if i cant, i will just wait for em reruns.
My fav team consist of Break & Followups unit due to how easy to get em (Mostly are free)
Gallagher + HMC + Boothill/Firefly + Ruan Mei
Dr Ratio + Topaz + Aventurine + Sparkle
Same. I found that my team leads me more on FUA and Super Break. And these styles are super fun to play with. Currently building Hunt March 7th and Xueyi😊
HSR powercreep is cyclic. Not linear. It switch back and forth between the different playstyle.
1.0-1.4 : Destruction meta for DPS. Shielders for supports.
1.4-16 : FuA AoE, DoT for DPS. Healers for support.
1.6-2.4 : Break DPS, shielders
2 4- : FuA single target, healers
The current event with trashcan is actually foreshadowikg the next planet meta : HP draining meta
how is robin not in the top 5... carries fua and is bis in so many teams
Unfortunately, people are still sleeping on robin because they think she's inferior to mei despite robin being bis for almost every team, excluding break.
Fr, she's better in almost every team except Break. It's hilarious seeing them still say Ruan Mei is superior when they are very equal if not superior
Preference in play-styles and comfort. Ruan Mei is easy to build, is SP positive and can use a 3* LC. I personally skipped Robin and I've been perfectly fine. I just don't like that you lose control of her when she's in her Burst mode.
Robin is an amazing unit to have for sure, but the way Hoyo does their "powercreep" is by releasing content that directly counters the specific advantages that specific unit offers.
For example, imagine the energy drain that those little TV guys throw at you currently. on a chunky elite enemy in a wave.
Resistance to powercreep isn't about which unit is currently BiS in most teams atm. Its about what mental gymnastics Hoyo will go to and what they will throw at you to make the targeted unit not feel "optimal to play" vs the current end-game content.
In a sense, it is easier to target Robins weaknesses than it is to target RuanMei weaknesses.
@@MiIkywayCookie Did you watch the video? For teams that have Robin as BIS, Ruan Mei is usually the second bes. But she is easier to use, does not rely on FUAs to keep up her ult, can generate SP, and is the BIS in break team (Robin is not even close here, unlike RM who is usually the second best to Robin). Robin is the BIS for a lot of teams, but RM is more universal for this reason
@@xxartemisxx1982 If we're gonna talk abt which ones is easier to use, shouldn't we have simple units like Luocha here? Imo should've added Robin as honorable mention atleast
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The thing is.... This is mostly Harmony star rail, there are TONS of characters that deal damage but character who support or tank is Very few, so what makes a character last for a long time is not how much damage it can deal, but how versatile it is.
For example Jingliu and Topaz, holy shiet back then so many trashed her low damage and compares it with Jingliu 😅 but now look at Jingliu got benched, she stay in the basement full of dust.
The thing is, Topaz damage is not that amazing but she has support capabilities, soo far in FuA team there's not a single Main dps in FuA team, just a sub dps that does half damage and half support, and when fua main dps came (Feixiao), the meta suddenly got shoved out of the window. 😂
So far characters that have multiple capabilities (besides Harmony, cuz limited harmony are broken no question) are....
Kafka, epitome of DoT team. Will fit into ANY dot team, but haven't got any more partner besides Black Swan. Even if future dot characters came she will still be used because of her abilities to proc dot immediately.
Topaz, not amazingly high dps but deal good amount, Sp positive unit, has amazing damage boosting capabilities. If Kafka is a must unit in dot team then Topaz is another must unit in premium FuA team. (Please don't compare it with Robin. She's literally broken in every team, not just FuA)
Aventurine, tanking, dealing damage, effect resistance, crit damage buff. Tons of stuff total all-rounder support. I didn't write Fu Xuan, yes she's another good tank unit with supporting capabilities such as max hp, heal and crit, but in recent patch she's proven to be underwhelming in certain situations such as Sam or any DoT bosses. Aventurine shield are way more convenient in all those situation.
Jiaoqui, very versatile. Like Pela with damage and weakness reducing capabilities.
Boothill and Firefly, both are break dps that can implant weakness, soo both of this unit will last a long time since you can brute force any content 😅 with this weakness implant stuff Silver Wolf uniqueness became more nill.
I don't mention abundance because it's a given that healer is a staple unit on every game, although I do have to admit Luocha is still standing strong till now, even outperforming Huohuo in terms of sustain (heal), since Huohuo are more into offensive healer. (Boost atk and energy)
And sorry but I have to disagree with Acheron, she DOESN'T have weakness implant dude. Yes she's super broken and deal tons of AoE damage but her versatility are even worst than Feixiao, she constantly needs 2 or at least 1 other Nihility which makes her team versatility not that great with other unit. You'll most likely use her, 2 nihility and a sustain. OR her, 1 nihility, a sustain and harmony probably.
In feixiao case, she doesn't care what you use, it doesn't have to be FuA unit, as long as that character is fast or using speed boots that's all she need. Which makes dual dps viable too
I think Sparkle will always be unique with what she does. Other units can buff/detonate dots like Kafka such as 4* variants for their specific typing (Luka) and more premium options will def come down the line. I think this is the case for Ruan Mei as well. Weakness Break Efficiency is a buff that can be manipulated through different buffs/conditions (though she is currently the only one who offers it teamwide iirc) and while unique atm can be easily made up by future releases or game conditions that neuter wb eff. On the other hand, skill point manipulation is something that is integral gameplay irrespective of weakness typing etc. Ruan Mei's skill requires a sp, all noteworthy skills do, and if the game decides to punish for usage of SP then Sparkle could still provide a surplus and enable her lc buff and wait for the condition to end whereas if weakness break eff is neutered then Ruan Mei is useless outside of the speed buff and slight dmg boost.
I have my doubts of them releasing another unit like Sparkle, maybe another one that is significantly SP positive but I sincerely doubt they will release a unit that can increase the size of your SP pool again. I could be wrong though since they are first and foremost incentivized by monetary gains.
I agree! I wouldn't say the Ruan Mei DMG buff is small/slight though - RES PEN % + % DMG Boost + Depending if you have E1, but it's still noteworthy
@@harry6699 E1S1 ruan mei is so overpowered. and when the new BE set came out, she became even stronger.
Yea hanya just can’t compare as a buffer
@@aidenharris5296 I do like her spd buff but yea her sp generation is still lacking
@@harry6699 you're right but if you're pulling eidolons, I don't know how concerned you should be in future investment. RM will always be a staple and what she does will always be relevant in some way. I just don't think we'll ever see another unit that just increases how much SP you can hold by just existing.
Fu xuan is nice but I’d rather have Aventurine who makes me take 0 damage and helps more against enemies who spam debuffs with just a little extra effect res built on everyone
Thank you, o wise grandpa.
imo I would replace fuxan with aventurine
Good point but it makes sense why he chose her over Aventurine because she’s a very early released unit. She’s been out much longer than aventurine and she’s a better example as a preservation unit that has aged very well over time.
@@LeoDragoGR well i wouldnt say shes a better example since aventutine does everything and i say everything needed for a sustain, plus he doesnt require that much investment and he gives and deals dmg and there isnt a team that aventurine doesnt fit
@@lumasoda1199blade team?
@@UnknownUser-te7rg Not even FX fits well in that team it's more or so HH.
@@UnknownUser-te7rg you know your beiling willfulling ignorant... also yeah he can work not the best but better than fu, since blade can heal himself having a shield would help and since he'll have morr crit aventurine would give him more dmg
As an aventurine and Jiaoqiu simp I approve 😂
I do think feixiao will actually be tough to power creep because she does the two things hunt characters struggle with: being able to ult without worrying about energy (seele, ratio, topaz) gain more damage with an energy boosting harmony character available. Feixiao ignores this and only cares about frequency of team attacks) and the 100% weakness break. This means she can even go into teams without follow up attackers or on any fua team in the future if she is power crept as a weakness break character support down the road.
people talk about fu xuan powercreep by aven, i don't think she has powercreep, it's just that aven outperforms her in all the end game content we have at the moment
What does outperform means both can keep their team alive and aven DMG at e0s0 is trash.
I have fu and I kinda hate that she doesn't give any shields at all. Because of how she takes any damage dealt to teammates mine usually dies to Cocolia's aoe when she is in Moc. Her power level is very different with and without her traces in each too.
@@karantej6702I would also say that luocha keeps the team alive, but that's not the point, for a long time the HSR community has followed a meta based on tier lists and usage rates, because it's more trustworthy. and we know how aventurine performed after it was released, it always outperforms fu xuan in any end game content, even in the newest game modes like AS where aven has more advantages than fu where it can help toughness break quickly.
@@ventrue7If your Fu Xuan is dying your build for her just sucks. Outside of GnG, mines lives perfectly fine with and without her LC. The only thing adv has an advantage over her is in FuA teams. Other than that niche they both perform their jobs perfectly fine at e0s0.
@@DashawnLoves yeah thats why I'm saying she kinda needs investment for her to not die like high hp and almost full traces unlike my gallagher and aventurine doing just fine with minimal investment.
I like your takes are so independent and well reasoned, a lot of the other content creators are just following and supporting each others talking points without any factual basis
Topaz is also geting more and mroe use with all the follow up attack units they are releasing.
Aside from what you mentioned, EOD, Tingyun's case is actually really funny.
She ends up being Robin's best support, especially with the extra energy her Ultimate gives an ally at E6, so one of her niche (but powerful) cases (mainly for zero-cycling) is for turbocharging Robin, AND that 60% DMG boost to Robin's Ult DMG because of Tingyun's DMG buff in her Ult.
DoT archetype is hard to powercreep cause they deal damage regardless of whether they are broken or with shield. This is my go team in DU and SU (which is usually the fun endgame part of the game). They deal slow but significant damage when built properly. Kafka is required though. I am coping in the future that a unit that allows DoT to crit will be released. 😂😂
I think DOT can be easily counter by enemy that immune to debuff in the future or enemy that can aoe cleanse
@@Exodia_99 By that point Break teams are also useless😅
I don't think they are that much of assholes
@@Exodia_99if they stay true to nature of cleansing, enemies should be able to cleanse 1 debuff at a time only. Given that DoT stacks and has different elements (fire, wind, bleed, lightning), only one will be cleansed. But of course, you still have a point if the game decided FULL cleansing… if that time comes, there must be a character that can FULLY cleanse as well.
As for debuff immunity, I still think it is far from happening, because if they do that, they are 100% disabling Nihility Path whose main purpose is debuffing.
Dots from Blackswan and Jiaoqiu cannot be cleansed, so it won't be much of a problem if u have them...
@@blahblahblah3716 good point! Maybe high ER enemies would be the problem of DoT teams..
saying that a unit is resistant to powercreep in honkai is like saying that a youtuber will never fall off. The game is so damn plain that powercreep will consume everyone no matter what you try to do. even ruan mei is gradually being taken over by robin, then they release a new support. Point being, stop worrying about trying to combat powercreep in this game. Flavour of the patch is the only "meta" there is. Instead of going against the current, the easiest way to play is to get a new dps every 2 patches when meta shifts since most of the time, content favors a new unit for around that long.
Or just straight up forget about moc, pf and as. These modes do not test your skill, only relic quality and whether you have a unit to take advantage of the buffs. With rather copium relics and any characters (meaning you can pull literally who you want, not who you need in terms of meta) you can get to floor 11 consistently, which is 90% of the mode.
They are both semi uni characters with niches they aren’t competing with each other lol also I highly doubt theirs a day we’re kafka will get the boot out of a dot comp
@@aidenharris5296 hoyo would have to release a new unit that triggers all dot and then some, and even then i doubt kafka wouldn't benefit from that since you now have 2 units that frontload dots. xingqiu yelan moment
Literally everything you said about Ruan Mei applies to Robin, she can literally fit into all the team archetypes except breakup, you can really integrate her there if you want anyway, it's going to be worse than a Ruan Mei yes but it will still help you a lot, which also applies to Ruan, Mei works for all teams, but if you compare her with Robin in Fua or even in other teams that are not Fua, Robin is better or the same. In general, both are useful in everything, one shines more than the other in certain teams but in general they are equally good
"having two ruan mein would be great" if you have robin and her, you already have what you're talking about
And I know that people are going to come to defender Ruan Mei and I will just say, at what point am I leaving Ruan Mei in a bad light? I'm just saying that they both have a high value and that what he said about Ruan Mei can be applied exactly to Robin.
I used a translator for this, sorry if it's a little strange. and to emphasize the point why some get angry, they are both equally good, I'm sorry if you can't accept that because of your fanaticism.
your ideas are so easy to grasp and understand. thank you!
Luocha has been my go to SP generator for so long. i mostly just swap between him and FX as sustain
i don't have RM, JQ, and huohuo, but I'm pretty happy with my account thus far
You can’t go wrong with nihility because debuff is the rarest attribute in lots of similar games.
I feel like you are sleeping on Robin and Topaz, who will only keep getting better as more FuA character release.
Like there is no way Jiaoqiu is above them.
I’m never forgiving them for what they did to my Jingliu. I’m still clearing up to MOC 10 with her but man I wish they wouldn’t make older units so damn useless in newer metas. I get it it’s to sell newer units but they don’t need to make it so brutal. And my Jingliu is at 40% Crit rate and 220% CritDMG
It's SO brutal, I had to bench my Jing Yuan, DHIL, Luocha, and Blade as a 1.0 player. I feel so cheated and robbed.
It’s honestly insane my E2S1 Jingliu with 39/242 crit ratio is basically useless which is crazy
@dixisonfanpage6570 That right there is more so a skill issue. Also, what are the relics and traces and supports looking like? What's your main team?
I was so proud of her but My e1s1 161 spd 48/230 JL is basically useless rn
@@devika2545 her traces are maxed I can clear floor ten against the deer
Team Ruan Mei E6 Pela/Bronya HuoHuo Jingliu but she’s unfortunately not so good against enemies that have no ice weakness
Sparkle is a bad example considering she is doing worse than Bronya currently for the most optimized clears, unless she is whaled out.
Many people cite usage rates but this is a bad metric because what the average player likes to use is not necessarily what is best. And Bronya/Ting being non limited means they are always going to have worse trending averages because there will be more people who have them and either don't use them or don't use them optimally.
Me, with Luocha (I am playing since day 1) and Aventurine (+ Gallagher e5), and who pull for Nihility / Harmony characters only, and only pulled for a few top tier dps just because i loved their lore (Argenti back then, Acheron and Feixiao) : 🎉
Kafka's kit is also made to take advantage of new DoT units being released so she'll always be relevant. I think this is deliberate so that she can always be useful and a strong choice whenever she pops up again in the story.
Based on that logic, nihility TB is going to be one of the BiS characters for DoT team.
Why are you so adorable? Many thanks for your analysis
I think for F2P players I would never recommend this game. They release 2 new 5* characters every patch and build the game mechanics around them.
They are like how all the Chinese things you buy in the dollar store. Garbage. But if you still want to play here’s my list that will help you clear the game competitively for a long time.
1. Ruan Mei
2. Acheron
3. Robin
4. Firefly
5. Aventurine
6. Huo Huo/Fu Xuan
Everything else will be power creeped either now or later. GL
been playing and following you since day 1! keep up the amazing content!
The best units are the ones you currently have available. You're relatively new (2-4months old acc) and you struggle with content? Badly need Harmony/Sustain?
If you don't have RM, Robin, Sparkle - get which ever reruns SOONER. If you don't have FX, Aventurine, HuoHuo or Luocha - get which ever reruns SOONER.
"Ooho X p0w3rcr3p7 Y" are such bs comments meant to scare you.
Once more, for the ones in the back of the classroom.
If you seriously NEED the help of a Harmony character and you have neither Ruan Mei nor Robin - Get which ever reruns SOONER.
Get your full star clears, get your Jades, pull more characters you like, have fun. You will be fine.
In my opinion picking up units that are future proof is a good thing to do
@@user-1zUm1 nothing is future proof since it's a gacha game but prioritising supports is the best thing we can do
@@niigoloverGacha games always have a select few characters who are future proof. Usually you can tell based on if they’re popular, as well as having a “universal” utility to them. I.E Kafka. She won’t be your main dps anymore down the road. But the fact she can enable EVERY DoT unit makes her a huge stable (even if not mandatory anymore) for the DoT units.
Ganyu has been powercrept 20 times over in Genshin, yet the moment an enemy doesn’t have ice res, she shreds through spiral abyss.
@@DashawnLovesGanyu is honestly great because her burst buffing cryo DMG makes her a possible support. I run her as a burst support with my Ayaka
@@DashawnLovesexactly rn she’s the main dps in her main comp but to get a unit that can do more than tripling dot damage is going to be a hard catch
@@aidenharris5296genshin powercreep it not the same as HSR because the nature of the combat is extremely different. One is linear the other is cyclic.
Must pull units are those who can unconditionnally force brut anything like destruction units. Even if the buffs don't favor their playstyle, they can still get the job done.
Must pull units for supports are those with advanced forward mecanism. I've clear the endgame content just fine with only Bronya. But she's overworked and I'll pull for Robin because she's the only one limited Harmony that is worth it (and the only one good person lore-wise compared to Sparkle and Ruan Mei).
my jaw dropped opening this video and seeing you there, i was so hype putting the face to the man saving my life in these games, thank you for your content as always
I love this content. Whenever I'm unsure of a character, I always check out your videos and they convinced me to pull for both Fu Xuan and Huohuo recently and your analysis have been spot on and I'm not regretting it at all! Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos and for how clearly you break things down.
I look forward to your analysis on a certain fox general I hope we get soon. =P
I'd honestly give Topaz and Robin a shout here.
I agree with all the unit choices, except for Huohuo.
Cmiiw, but wouldn't a 160 spd gallagher with qpq work just as well? He can cleanse, has crazy healing, an sp generating machine, and he can abuse qpq's energy generation with how often he takes action per turn. And best of all: you don't need to spend 160 pulls for him.
I've replaced Aven with gall on my ipc fua team and it makes my rotations feel so much more smoother.
He's so good that I don't feel the need to pull a 2nd 5 star sustain.
Now put that lc on huo
Who has better cleanses, better healing, better buffs
Also if you replaced aven with gallagher on your ipc teams then your simply doing something wrong with aven
@@lordprawn8216 Sure, you can use qpq on hh, but gall is the best user for that LC because of his frequent action advance. I don't think you understand how much he can abuse qpq's energy regeneration.
And yeah you're right; hh does have better buffs, and cleanses. But heals? Gallagher doesn't even need to spend sp to fully heal his team, because of his ult and debuffs.
and fyi I replace aventurine for gall because the ipc fua team is notoriously sp hungry, and gall is (as I said) an sp generating machine. And using robin in tandem with gall is actually a popular choice now, because of his sp positivity and ability to battery robin and the whole team--leading to more ults and more damage in exchange for aven's comfort.
@@specs9818do u think robin lc is that big compared to her f2p option now that gallagher qpq is so good?
@@balutteryHonestly? You can pretty much skip the sig if you want. Robin's sig gives you ER and a big dmg boost. If you use gall with qpq that fixes her energy problems, and the f2p lc's dmg boost at s5 is slightly worse than the sig.
Heck, most people would recommend getting robin's e1 first if you do want to upgrade her.
That's what I'm planning to do too. Skip sig, get e1, and use her with gall. Alternatively, you can also use bronya's sig if you want even higher uptime on robin's ult.
@@specs9818 yeah that's what i plan on too but characters are so expensive compared to sig and i probably im never getting bronya lc so i was in 2 minds :c thankss!!
24:00 - I love Huohuo too! The cleanse before the turn is really game changing. Other characters who can cleanse do it AFTER they skill, or cast Ultimate., but with HuoHuo, you can do it passively as long as you keep the talent up. I didn’t like Huohuo”s design because I don’t like the color green, but I’ve used her in ebery team, even Acheron team.
as the roster grows so as the confusion on team synergies. I hope we only get the best team setup. coz investing in characters and eidolons and build is not a joke in hsr. dps powercreep is so frustrating and new improved support is misleading. so Ive decided to e6s5 acheron and firefly as my endgame plan. hopefully I'll enjoy the game nonetheless. and I plan on getting boothill coz I have e4 bronya e0s1 sparkle. thats why Im frustrated for getting sparkle for seele and mono quantum when I should have gotten boothill instead for break for heavier content.
A huge benefit of Jiaoqiu against power creep is how frequently his debuff reapplies itself to maintain uptime. Enemies, especially bosses, are getting faster and faster and making it harder to keep permanent uptime on conventional debuffs like pela’s without giving her insane amounts of speed, since they take more turns and debuffs expire. Field style debuffs like Jiaoqiu’s seem much more resistant to speed based power creep I think. I know he has a 6 application limit but that’s a longer window to charge his ult again than anyone else has.
I'm leaning towards break teams, looks like future proof since the game leans towards shield breaking.
Im pulling aventurine in his rerun e1 s1
@@faizalgabriel8389 pulling his S1 as well!! Good luck🤞🏻
I have Acheron and Firefly but I'll always use Jingliu as long as I can use her. If she needs more supports to deal more DMG, I'll pull that support.
But as long as we get new characters, it's normal to use old characters less and new characters more
thank you for the advice!
I am very new to SR ; just started afew days ago..
Will take note on all your pointers!👍🏼
Ruan Mei has been a game changer for me, like insanely so. I can't believe I almost skipped her lol
I did one ten pull on jiaoqiu and got him without pity. Didn’t know a lot about him so I’m so relieved that he’s in this video. That means that my pull wasn’t wasted 😅
I would've said Jade belongs in there somewhere as long as Pure Fiction exists.
They can always add more "attack all" characters to overtake Herta and Clara, but I think Jade is so unique and very easy for players to build/use effectively.
she will, I think hoyo gonna take the future of the game that focused on jade archetype which is pure fiction and the other one is hunt focused content, which kinda nerf destruction meta unit. it's so sad because almost every unit getting powercreep by destruction
Tbh i think aventurine is better than fu xuan
I really appreciate having the face cam because it makes me more focused on watching
3:53 , There WILL be new mode for sure. My take is the Turn Based RAID-Mode, where 1 team has MORE than 4 unit in a team, like maybe 10 units. There will be ALL type of enemies from Weekly bosses like apocalyptic shadow, MOC, and Pure fiction. IT WILL COME, it just matter of time.
Also, my take in the ULTIMATE goal of Hoyoverse is they will create another game, where ALL characters from ALL their previous and future games combined in 1 Verse. Also, just matter of time till this become a reality.
Top 5 powercreep resistant units:
-Ruan Mei
-Aventurine
-Kafka
-Robin
-Firefly
You can debate for Acheron spot with Robin/Firefly. I'm sorry but Fu Xuan, Huohuo and especially Jiaoqiu have no business in this talk.
Fu Xuan?? Already got powercrept hard by Aventurine
Not really both aven and fu xuan can keep team alive and aven DMG at e0s0 is trash. Also fu xuan buffing is better then aven bcs it has 100% uptime and aven buffs tied to his ult also only single target so cope hard.
@@karantej6702why do I need damage from him if his main purpose is to keep alive my teammates?
@@karantej6702 hard disagree. Against enemies with many CC attacks like AS Cocollia FX is ass compared to Aven. He also does a ton more damage than FX could ever dream of doing. Aven just shrugs off repeated aoe while FX struggles or dies. Let's not forget that he does more follow ups and damage the more enemies attack AND refreshes shields at the same time, while using no SP.
Fu Xuan simply can't compete with Aventurine
@@hxnslshhax9011 his shields hardly ever expire because he creates them passively with his follow up attack and ultimate
@@BananaCake26 I think he is Aventurarine hatef
Great video, one credit to Acheron not being power crept for me personally is her tech. We are all adults and life happens. The ability to be able to just not have to fight mobs while doing the story is such a massive qol. I just don't think how much being able to avoid fighting all the mobs in sim universe or human creation, the mobs in the main story or side quests, open world farming doesn't care if you dont have lightning your still getting one shot. Being able to save that much time for real world things such as family, school and work including just wanting to play other games. I personally would put her as close to unpowercreepable as you can without literally giving someone else her tech
Subscribed after watching Pokke's reaction and thinking you sounded smart :)
Just wanted to mention it since a lot of people hate on react content
Hard to say Seele has been powercrept when she clears content like MoC as easily as any other DPS, probably even easier, with the proper setup and gear. SShe's just not as easy to use and requires near perfect gear, but she completely demolishes the content still, especially with Robin and Bronya to make up for the fact she's 'single target'. Hardly 'powercrept.' And she doesn't even need her LC and her eidolons suck so there's no reason to go over E0.
Jingliu's problem is that she lacks a good support. She hasn't received ANY support since she came out, Bronya and Pela are still BiS for her. She might come back around when they release a support that's perfect for her.
luocha may not be the flavour of the month but he has never left my teams since day one, that's how comfortable and reliable he is as a healer. I pulled for fuxuan much later than luocha (bcs I was saving for him) and after a while of playing both characters, personally I would say I still prefer luocha more after all this time
Ngl, this video is really good and valid. For me I always been saying Kafka is a good unit, not just cause she does great damage, and it also cause for dot, the team has a really good foundation of starting the game. They low-key gives you Sampo, luka, and guihifen(sorry, im bad with spelling her name😅) through story, event, and banners. I think follow-up is starting to get more popular because of the new dbs and a unit that is a 4-star follow-up character. My whole issue with follow is how expensive it is, but my run it more in this next update fr.
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Great video!
😭😭 it makes me so sad bcuz i love hsr but the powercreeps crazy why cant it be like genshin