While fighting prostate cancer, I went vegan. Within four months, my blood panels were amazing! My Triglycerides went from 213 to 108...good cholesterol went up and the bad went down, etc. I cruised through the radiation treatments...beat cancer...and I feel great! I will never go back!
My wife, and her sister are mirror image twins. My wife has been vegan for 26 years. Her sister has eaten the standard american diet during that time. The difference between their health, and physical condition is very dramatic. My wife is still slender, and very active. Her sister is over weight, has lost height, has lost mobility. Numerous health issues. Neither of them have ever smoked, or drank. Considering that 37 years ago when we got married the two girls looked so identical. Today they barely look like sisters. Diet sure make a huge difference over time.
Complex Carbivorous I can certainly see where the twin who was vegan 26 years would love to be on the podcast. But the question is what would motivate her twin-Standard-American-Diet, want to have a session of "true confessions". She can look at her twin sister and should have seen the difference for years and she did not change her lifestyle. Obviously she is in denial, she is probably addicted to cheese -- and parading her failure in front of the world does not seem likely. Even posting the image of the overweight twin might be problematic legally. In the end unless the overweight twin came to one accord with her sister, it would create such family problems and hard feelings which no amount of "gee, I'm sorry", will make up for. The Vegan twin would of course want her sister to solve her health issues but the one who is not on board is highly unlikely to reveal her lifestyle caused the problem.
@@courag1 You nailed the situation perfectly. My wife's sister has always been the type to be in denial. She make excuses for all her problems. She never blames the diet she and her husband eat. Of course they are very typical of most Americans today. They only want to hear good things about their bad habits.
It’s not something anyone can change. Obviously her sister is very aware of their physical differences and how similar they used to be. Sometimes the less said the better and she might reach out to her and consider being vegan one day. My twin sister and I are fraternal twins so it’s not the same but she has had health issues on keto and I went vegan. I don’t want to fracture our relationship by trying to convince her any more because she is convinced she is doing the right thing and that I am not. I do worry about her.
Why do they keep calling it a "meat diet" for the left twin when he's eating mostly carbs. Sugar. Biscuits. I'd like to see identical twins that do an actual carnivore or keto diet vs vegan.
Me too, we should find multiple identical twins willing to do this, as it would be highly intriguing. Going from the SAD diet of highly inflammatory veg. oils, fried foods, and processed foods etc. is definitely going to be a step up to anything else, but what is most viable and doable long-term, and without needed supplementing? And what intrigues me a lot is that we do have data from millennia ago in the form of paleopathology (studying ancient tooth remains, etc.), which is basically CSI-ing which diets potentially caused one civilization to live longer than the others, and I found it very intriguing that the ancient Egyptians had gynaecomastia and heart disease and ate a high-grain diet. That's not to say that all plants are bad, but we should follow and test such findings. I've heard multiple former long-term vegans say they quit because they started to get cavities and tooth erosion, for example, so I'm curious on that front as to why it's so, and other variables on how other vegans make up for that. To its benefit, veganism definitely is great for those wanting gut distension from all of the fiber, as Dr. Greger has pointed out, citing how it's mostly undigestible fiber that brings satiety, but what about long-term issues? With that said, I realize many vegans have reasons beyond paleopathology and have dearly held convictions, which I respect, and am happy for someone if it works for them, because after all, aren't we all in pursuit of the same thing in wanting to see people live healthy, prosperous lives? (Just thought I should add that in case I sound like a snarky know-it-all lol) :-)
Yep, and include intermittent fasting on the carnivore side; that is, skip that sugar-y breakfast he mentioned. Not eating til at least mid-day, and then stop eating before dark. More aligned with nature.
@@toriarose I agree 100%. Carnivore or even keto with IF thrown in is just so next level! For the past 6 weeks I've been doing mainly carnivore, one meal every two days - which is about three 40ish hour fasts a week. I've never felt better; huge increase in energy and mental clarity. I've lost 15kg (~33lbs) but that isn't even the point anymore. Once I get to goal weight though, I'mma probably gonna go back to OMAD and maybe skip one day of eating each week.
I think that to see the efficacy you are talking about, you would need to test a set of triplets: one on a plant-based diet, one on a SAD and one on a carnivorous diet. Because the bottom line is that the SAD or standard way of eating in the west is the problem: full of saturated fats, full of sugar, full of random crap and fairly low in variety and fresh goods. If you are suggesting that a meat-only diet would be healthier, I think you would also need to compare it to a PB diet to see the implications going either way. There are also so many variables: are the vegan products organic? locally grown? seasonal? Avocados, tropical fruit and plants flown in from around the world? What meat is it? Something free of hormones, reared in a humane way? Is it local to the region or flown in from somewhere to give the meat eater more variety? A lot to consider.
What was the point of this? Neither person shared what they were eating every day, what amounts, what they were doing for exercise, how often, what their measurements, blood work, bmi, weight loss, before/post, etc. All they talked about was when they started and how they felt during. I got no information or learned anything at all - except for one thing - I think they are very handsome men, so it was nice to watch them on camera.
100% agreed. I have also tried vegan diet and do not agree vegan is superior. I also have a twin brother, who eats predominantly vegetarian diet while I eat more meat / seafood. Both of us have similar health and no real differences.
Why? 12 weeks is nothing. It holds zero value. 12 weeks is roughly how long it takes just to adjust to a drastic diet change. They didn't even start any real experiment. This would have to be at least 20 years to show ANY sort of tangible difference
@@sobhrajsandhu2809 Yeah it's ridiculous. Put him on a vegan diet for 15 years and put his brother on a proper Carnivore diet for 15 years. One will look like a healthy human that has been eating their natural diet, the other will look like a holocaust survivor.
@@christa1980 I have met plenty, most are young, idealistic, ignorant and naive and looking for simple answers to the worlds problems and think they found it in veganism. Most of those don’t last more than 12 months before their health fails them. The long terms vegans, the militants ones doing it for the animals, look like emaciated goblins.
It's strange that the twin on meat was still eating biscuits (cookies) and talked about a sugar high and then crash. If they were testing for divergent health diets, why was he still consuming sugar?
What I was thinking also, the meat eater honestly looks healthier though even despite the shitty diet. I feel like vegans are constantly comparing themselves against the standard western diet, because they know it won't fare well against anything other than the standard western diet
@@probrickgamer Both of them eat meat, the experiment is over long before this interview, lol. Classic carnist bias inserted strong af into everything, embarrassing 😂 Vegan diets win even against "healthy" omnivorous diets containing significant quantities of animal products; almost all relevant studies either account for inequities or specifically constrain diets, or both. This is some fantasy that anti-vegans have, that all vegans are health nuts and therefore win against fat SAD-consumers. It's just denial, always some excuse. Vegan diets don't need to be compared to SAD to come out on top, take your pick of comparison. You come from an herbivorous genus, family and order, so meat is bad for you, get over it
I am a identical twin and vegan nearly 5 years. My twin still eats meat , she has high blood pressure and swelling legs. It got so bad that she tried vegan for a month, all the swelling went down and she lost 14 pounds, but sadly she is back on meat now. I feel so much better since giving up meat products and have lost a lot of weight. Take no medications. I do have days when i eat vegan junk and feel awful . I am an ethical vegan so that is vegan for life. We are age 65.
Interesting how the body works. I dropped my swollen foot issues and lost.plenty of weight on the carnivore diet. I am dropping another 20 pounds then I will reintroduce veggies soups and stews. I am a gardener and I don't want to throw everything away I suspect a potential oxalate issue in my case. I used to eat decent amount of almonds, cashews, kale spinach among other things. however I think many foods with one ingredients can help.people. The healing is often due to what we stop eating. The carnivore thing is a very nice experiment so far but I am not.married to the concept.
Have your sister try keto/carnivore and then compare. My spouse had high blood pressure and diabetes and he is off both and in normal range now as non diabetic. Only been 4 weeks of eating that way for him to get healthy. Since she’s already eating meat it’s be cool experiment to compare to
I think this is not really a fair comparison as the twin on the regular diet was also eating sugars and carbohydrates - which cause lots of energy fluctuations - but I suppose what is really telling is that the twin eating protein gained muscle mass and the twin eating vegan didn't... also the experiment really wasn't long enough to see any long term affects of both diets... ideally a minimum of 6 months to 12 months would give you a very clear indication of long term health...
If the other twin could lift as much, and had more energy than his twin during and after sessions, why does it matter if he gained less muscle? Strength and size, while they have some relation, are not necessarily directly proportional. And muscle and health are definitely not proportionate. There is a long list of body builders that have died young and were muscle bound way beyond the norm. Muscle doesn't = health, though of course it is good to have functional muscle. If all one cares about is looking big/getting swole, yeah, eat your meat heavy diet and/or juice, but for me, health is a priority. I don't eat vegan btw. While my diet is mostly plant based, I incorporate a little bit sardines, egg yolks, low fat yogurt, etc.
@@justinw1765 Budybuilders died young because of drug uses. They can literally survive in oreos & being muscular. Plants “proteins” are poorly digest by the humans digestive system because we don’t have the gut bacteria & complex digestive system that herbivores have. So, yeah, more proper proteins = more muscle mass. Many vegans lost weight & lost muscle mass & i even heard of bone density loss. Even chimps eat meat. Hard to think that you can be naturally muscular with just roots, leaves & some fruits.
Carnivore is great for a quick fix for some food issues but 100% will never be the most efficient diet for humans. However I’m not convinced 100% vegan is the way. I’m plant based and eat organ meat around every 20 meals. Works very well
@@bonchidude To be honest the only reason I’ve been eating plant based Whole Foods is because I want to live longer and I want to get rid of my acne which has improved it.
@@ezcanor8262 yeah honestly I became vegan to get rid of acne, and now all of my friends say I have the prettiest skin, I don’t have to wear makeup anymore or anything, it’s the way to go, of course I have foods i avoid, mainly peanut butter because of the high fat content that causes me acne, but other than that I’m good.
Hi... I went vegan, because I almost had cancer in my uterus, because of the hormonal unbalance that eating animals provoque me. I went vegan and my hormones were back in their normal track in a month. I didn't need any surgery to remove the cancerous cysts. When I was an omnivore I couldn't menstruate for 7 months, and after 1 month of being vegan I could finally bleed, and my body healed... Veganism save me from cancer. And I couldn't be more grateful. I'm thriving. I have been vegan for 8 years now, my hair is knee length thanks to all the vitamins a plant based diet offers. I used to have severe acne, and my face completely healed by going vegan 🥺❤️
No, it's not correct what you say. I have fixed many women with the same problem, and they eat only meat and fat and that also fix all the problem, the real problem is not meat is sugar.
Disappointed they characterized this as vegan vs. meat diet. This was actually a SAD diet vs. vegan/vegetarian which mischaracterizes both vegan and keto/carnivore.
Please stop conflating “keto” with “carnivore”! A carnivore diet can simply mean a diet that includes meat...BUT, the term is most used to mean a diet that uses mostly meat & other animal foods. Ketogenic, is NOT meat-heavy. The typical keto diet macros are: 70% good fats + 20% good protein + 10% carbs, from fresh produce....and, though it’s work, keto can be done without eating meat at all, can be done vegetarian....even vegan, if someone figures it out properly. There are problems with chronically using extreme diets like keto or vegan, but fairly easily fixed using some supplements.
@@Chimonger1 The problem with being in ketosis long term(over 3 years) is that your fasting glucose actually goes UP.....to 120! You want your fasting glucose to be under 80 and ideally around 70. Ketosis is good, don't get me wrong but what you really need is to be metabolically flexible. You should go out of ketosis periodically. The beauty of the carnivore diet is that it puts you in mild ketosis. You will wake up in the morning in ketosis. The problem with low protein ketogenic diets is exactly that.....you don't get enough protein to build any decent muscle or maintain it. Don't obsess over gluconeogenis! You need periods where you use glucose as fuel rather than fat. I think we can all agree white carbs are bad and pufa's are bad. So yes! A carnivore diet IS ketogenic, but in the best way! Heavy ketosis isn't proving to be such a great thing after all. Maybe for short periods and those individuals that needs to lose a lot of fat weight. You cut you protein to only 20% and your gonna lose muscle instead of fat. You should try a CGM for a month to see how much your glucose REALLY fluctuates on your keto type diet. A carnivore diet will show a flat line.......24/7. Add in some honey if you need carbs before a workout. This podcast is really worth hearing. ruclips.net/video/3Wxd2SgTxZI/видео.html
Where does it say it was a SAD diet? An article I read clearly shows what the meat eating twin was eating, and it had some healthy ingredients and not particularly junky foods. They aren't even American as fair as I know, why does everyone think everyone eats a SAD?
@@johnbennett9027 which is a good thing BTW.. Your "gut biome" is mucoid plaque filled with pathogenic "bacteria" AKA molds.. Gangrene, staff, streptococci, candida just to name a few.. And then ofcourse there are the helminths that make their "nests" inside these masses. It's death and decay... And they control your saliva and taste buds aswel!! Also they make melatonin (in the gut) after you had a satiating meal.. Making you sleepy, or lethargic. Under eating is the only way to effectively slow them down.. My theory: they both ate less then before and ate less processed foods that slow down digestion.
@@regiodeurse6513 you could be right. Most people who talk about it say that there should be more diversity but in spite of the certainty that they express I don't think a lot is known about it so your theory is every bit as valid as their's.
@@regiodeurse6513 mucoid plaque doesnt exist. omg. Cells in digestive tract die quickly and are renewed every few days, everything stuck on it falls with it. 300 millions years of evolution. A third of your poop is made of dead cells and bacteria.
@@syc6598 so how do worms and colonies stay inside for decades even? How can gut bacteria even exist when they have no place to set up shop and attach themselves to? If the lining gets constantly flushed away that what be impossible cause that's the only place to hold on to. How do people that are in the hospice (dieing/death ward) still shitting solids after days or even a couple weeks of not eating (my nurse aunt confirmed). Is that all death colon cells? Why isnt it blood or meat color, or just pure mucus by then? We have more then just a colon btw. Intestine is quite extensive. did you ever see an endoscopy of the entire tract?.. Or actually just seen the inside of the small intestine at all beyond the first few inches after the stomach or the very end of it?
Interestingly, the sugar eater mentioned eating significant amounts of meat and dairy... lol... but seriously, the plant-based diet is a high carb diet and many, if not most vegans, like sugar as well, whether in the form of fruit, or just sugar. I am vegan, and drink a sugary caffienated drink twice a day, and have no problems with my energy. I have a lot lot lot more energy than I did when I ate meat and dairy.... AND I no longer have eczema or issues with seasonal allergies!
I'm vegan for every other reason besides health, but I am the healthiest I have ever been. I eat really clean and I feel amazing all the time. I do kickboxing, yoga, and strength training. I couldn't imagine not being vegan. Thanks for this video.
@@southern842 In peace and kindness my sweet friend, the life of no harm or ahimsa has never been a diet for me but a way of showing up in the world. I began the journey to improve my body through mindful movement long before I considered my consumption. Now they exist in a beautiful balance that nourishes my whole being. May you be well, safe, happy, and free from suffering. 💜
"A cup of coffee & a biscuit"? On Carnivor? No, you didn't do the carnivore diet. For all the supposed expert assistance & monitoring at your disposal your "team" sure didn't understand the fundamental essence of the very thing you were trying to understand. FAIL, or set up to fail.
Great talk. I like that the transitional stage of a dietary change is mentioned. I think it’s important to get this information out there and to emphasise that the body needs time to adjust and it’s not just immediate switch where all of a sudden you feel the benefits.
4 years vegan now and it’s life changing for me. My back was badly injured in MMA 10 years ago and since being vegan my food helps my natural inflammation and recovery.
Here are some lab tests.... 8:45 he speaks of sugar levels on *meat* diet. 100g meat contain 0% carbs. So they cheated on the diet already so what would a lab test do?
Interesting, on a "meat" diet, he still had sugar in his coffee and ate biscuits. So, how is this a "meat only" diet? Their "experiment" was a complete waste of time. How is this from the "physicians committee" when there wasn't anything controlled? A waste of my 15 minutes.
I could not agree more. "Meat" diet does not consist of processed carbage. 3 months of eliminating the carbage of course he will feel 10x better. Try staying true vegan for 3 years then see if you feel the same
I did wonder, thanks for saving me the time of watching this. THe correct study would have been, one went carnivore one went vegan. Instead, the vegan simply proved that you're government and the food industry are treating people like idiots.
@@TheCompleteGuitarist Any one who stopped the Standard American Diet (SAD) and ate clean, would feel so much better. Unfortunately, our bodies weren't made to be vegan. After a couple of years, a human does suffer. We need protein and amino acids to thrive. True the vegan twin proved that NOT eating crap is beneficial.
@plants4passions V It's great if it worked for you. It doesnt work for all people. I have all the same results without any plant food. Genetics plays a huge role i guess, it depends on our ancestors.
As a carnivore... I would love to see one go vegan or fruitarian and one go strict carnivore...but for a longer length of time... 12 weeks is not long enough. I did vegan for years... then fruitarian... but got so sick I had to change... now, two years into carnivore I feel so amazing and healthy...
@@brookelynnmarie5063 Do you eat no fruits, or vegetables? (I assume Hanna also meant no bread, cakes, cookies, candy, pasta, peanut butter, etc, as they are plant products.) I do know that people on a meat- *heavy* diet die young, but that's not a meat- *only* diet, so maybe the broccoli killed them:^)
Do you want that one to die? Lol Regardless of how you feel about veganism, I think everybody knows that you need fruits and vegetables. Won't do much for their brand if only one twin survives to tell the results.
@@ketchyshubby I only eat raw meat and I am still alive. I don't eat any plants. This is the diet of the paleolithic human and has been our natural diet for millions of years. Nobody needs plants, if we did we would be extinct.
After being vegan now for almost eleven years, I take the even energy levels for granted so I kind of forget about it but I do remember the highs and lows back when I ate meat and other animal products. Going vegan has been the best choice by far.
This is nonsense--Anyone eating real food no matter what the food is will be healthier than a person eating SAD. Meaningless results. Just like calling 40% "low carb"
The meat eating twin wasn't eating a SAD, he was eating a meat inclusive diet with some healthier aspects. If you check out an article about them it will tell you what they were eating.
Exactly right... Carnivore is good if you use honey or some kind of carb source and eat organ meats bc men blood test show on carnivore your total test goes up but so does your shbg level so your free test is low even with higher total without at least small amounts of carbs, and vegan diets tend to have a low over all sex hormone profile and high levels of polyunsaturated fats are not even slightly healthy in terms of cancer and cardiovascular health. Some ppl dont produce the enzymes to make vitamin k2 and other nutrients that are nearly impossible to get in a vegan diet meaning large portions of our ancestors definitely ate animal products or they could not of survived so our ancestors were without a doubt omnivores. If people just got off the tribal high horses on either side the evidence is very straightforward.
The major disagreement I have with videos like this is that there's an obvious conflation of plant based dieting with veganism (or vegan living). There's actually no such thing as a "vegan diet" since *Vegan* is not defined as what someone eats.......Vegan is defined as one's relationship (in regards to respecting an individual's autonomy) with animal species other than the human variety. *Plant based dieting =/= Vegan (Vegan living)*
@@LouisGedo - Thanks for making the point. It's really not so difficult to say 'plant-based' when talking about diets and health, so we can leave behind for good that silly mixing of two very different things: acting with justice in mind versus being concerned exclusively with one's health.
T Please check the vegan society website. It will educate. Veganism has a rich history. Dictionaries don’t always give you the education. For example in the English language one can coin words to express themselves and that is widely excepted by scholars but these words will not appear in the dictionary.
I lost about 10 kilo since going vegetarian in my own time (away from home, with family, I might eat some meat) and my cholesterol level has dropped in a good way as well. The strange thing is I get "a lot" of stick from non, overweight, family members, saying eating vegetarian is unhealthy and making fun of me eating more fruit and vegetables (?)
Tell them They all look slim & healthy but the sad thing is they have heart disease by coating their veins & arteries with cholesterol, saturated fats & rancid oils!
Let me get this right. They had the perfect opportunity to compare a healthy diet that contains meat vs a vegan diet but instead one twin was on a diet of meat and sugar as best i can tell from this awesome interview.
Yeah, that was my take too. It doesn't matter if one eats meat and the other is vegan if the meat eater is eating junk and conventionally grown CAFO meat. The junk, sugar and inflamed meat will always show bad against a vegan. Try the same study with clean keto diet vs. a junk food vegan, and the vegan will show up lacking!
I'm a vegan who also eats quite a lot of sugar (mostly from ice cream and fruits) and also carbs from white flour (lots of pizza, bakery products). It doesn't seem to hurt at all. I also tried keto before I went vegan (5 years ago or so), with horrible results on my cholesterol levels. Doctors suspected familial hypercholesterolemia when I got tested - but it was just the damn keto diet. After switching to vegan, cholesterol dropped like a bomb within 2 weeks.
clray123 Doesnt hurt in what way? I wouldn’t expect it to hurt/increase bodyfat levels too much if you’re going between fruit and veg intake and simple carbs. Insulin sensitivity probably suffers, muscle mass is probably limited unless on ped’s. And yeh excessive protein consumption with hereditary issues aint a good idea. Like i said for the video, its a shame you didn’t just try a healthful diet similar to a mediteranian diet, consuming the widest variety of whole foods. Fruit, veg, nuts, legumes, meat, fish, fermented dairy and foods.
@@Stevo1361 It doesn't hurt in the sense I have low-average body fat, can exercise a lot (gymnastics, yoga, inline skating) and feel good overall. Sugar is the natural compound found in fruit. It is not "poison" it is made out to be. Getting yourself some extra sugar is comparable to finding a very ripe nice fruit in a natural setting, and there is a good reason our bodies crave it and even get addicted to it (they don't really crave fat that much, as far as I can tell). The evolved way for our body to function is to stuff itself full of sugary fruit while it is available, perhaps gain some body fat in the process, and then lose it again when winter, the time of starvation and suffering comes (gather some nuts in advance so you can outlast it). As for meat, it's a desperation food when you run out of everything else.
I notice for me I had to go vegan because I was having constant break outs bloating and even face swelling. So even though it taste good my body was suffering and my health. Once I went vegan no more bloating or allergic reactions or face swelling
Good idea to listen to what your body feedback is giving you. I got kidney stones twice as I started to increase my plant food intake. I later read about oxalates from Sally K. Norton which explained everything. I'm really careful about which plants I eat and how much. Potatoes, spinach, and chocolate (sigh :/) and some others are now off the menu.
This is misleading because the meat eater didn’t get fat adapted with biscuits and sugar spikes lol. Sugar!!! So normal diet vs vegan of course vegan is better.
Yes, also. 12 weeks of a vegan diet is basically a cleanses. The body of a standard diet person has stored nutrients in their body. Over time those stores are depleted that's when problems happen. This is all New Diet Elation. A few years from now he'll be totally depleted.
This told me nothing. One was not on a strict carnivore diet. What were their eating habits like before? 90 days? Do it for a year, monitored by people who know what the specific diets are to the core. I want to know before/after LDL/HDL ratios, triglycerides CRP, GRF kidney functions, insulin resistance before and after. How many hours a night did they sleep, exactly the same? This was a very open ended topic with no specifics on anything except "how I felt compared to...". In order to get a study and get some realistic data, they would have to be monitored daily by actual nutritional experts, noting everything they ate, supplements, stress, fasting/non fasting glucose levels, sleep habits, cortisol levels and the list goes on and on.
I was about to die with auto-immune disease, hospitalized several days. Nothing as helping. I was getting chemo medication, however it was not getting better but stabled. I turned to vegetarian, things started to get better immediately, once I turned to vegan, over the time even my damaged kidneys have recovered, all blood levels and inflammation got back to normal, everything turned to normal level which amazed me. However, my motivation turning to vegan was not the case of getting my damaged organs to back to normal bcoz doctors said it is not possible. I turned to vegan after watching documentaries and stoped eating ANIMALS or ANIMAL FLESH. thank you everyone who tries to stop this holocaust/salevary/raping of what we do animals.
Ok I’m a vegan but the meat twin mentions the meat diet being more unstable with energy due tl sugar fluctuations in diet but he mentions sugared coffee and biscuits for breakfast and snack lol videos like this actually drive people looking into plant based diets away because they’re not showing that meat is bad but that refined processed food is bad and that affects energy levels
Plus severe metabolic consequences. One needs whole unprocessed organis food, then compare. They stacked the deck and/or are clueless about the harm of sugar.
Yeah pretty dumb video They had the chance to do an interesting test being twins but their knowledge about food and biology is simply too low and 12 weeks isn't enough by far anyway
Probably just muscle memory. Probably 90% glycogen and water. They mentioned starting to train again. The meat also contains creatine. It is not uncommon to gain 5-10lbs of water weight in the first week, which looks like muscle gain because it is being pulled into the muscle.
15 minutes of video, not one piece of information. No numbers, no comparison, just “how did you feel?” And based on nothing but raving about one diet, they conclude “we are going to combine both diets”. Ridiculous. Suggests I believe nothing said in the whole video.
@@Native2Earth buy him food for vegan keto or something, thats likely the only way you will convince him. have you ever been on keto or looked into the sci behind keto stuff like fasting or cold exposure?
It would be interesting to see what kind of diets they led. Eating vegan or omnivore doesn't mean healthy, so there is a significant discrepancy there. Also, how did they perform in the gym before they took on this experiment?
@@terry_orie Eating vegan is the epitome of healthy. Human Beings are anatomically built for the consumption of plants. We do not have massive canine teeth, we have jaws that move laterally as well as dorso-ventrally and most importantly our GI tract is relatively long in comparison to other carnivores.
It sounded like Ross, the meat eater, was eating sugary snacks which is well known to cause energy spikes and crashes. I think their idea of combining the best of both diets is the ideal approach. If you eat dairy or meat, always eat organic, too.
permaculture, regeneratively grazed and marine permaculture tend to be better than organic as people are still using loads of pesticides dispite what people think of the organic label. low till, minimum till, and keyline plowing/deep ripping are also better things to look out for. i try to tell folks to not eat carbs and fats in the same meal.
I am not convinced. I got really sick in my 30s and 40s. I almost stroked out when I got pregnant at 40. I felt like I was going to die. I miscarried and then I went on an elimination diet. I lost 10 lbs of fluid in one week. So I went off gluten and dairy. I found out I had celiacs and hashimotos low thyroid. I lost 46 lbs in a couple months. Today the only grain I tolerate is rice. I eat mostly paleo. People tell me I look like I am 30 years old. I am 54 year old. I am still working on getting off sweets and coffee. I have retained my weight for more then 15 years. I am 125 lbs. I would like to just vegan or maybe just do vegan part of the week. I do eat smaller portions. I never get sick anymore. Before every year I had infections: lungs, sinuses and ear. I had asthma. I had joint problems and bone pain. Chronic constipation. IBS and Brainfog. I currently take no medications for my hashimotos because my low thyroid stabilized.
It would be worth comparing vegan to keto with both being non-processed as I don't think this was a fair test as the carb content of either was not specified(a sugar crash was described) and neither was the amount of processed food.
I would love to see a comparison of vegan vs. Ketogenic diet, including lab results and fitness testing results. Either diet is an improvement over the SAD.
The problem with stating keto, is your body will break down muscle to get blood sugar levels right. So it's either lose muscle or eat protein so often that it's extra unhealthy.
@@itzakehrenberg3449 No misinformation here. When the body has low levels of blood sugar, no stores of it in the liver, protein is turned into glucose.
@@nomore1980 Yep, gluconeogenesis, but the amount of protein necessary to produce any glucose needed by the body is quite small. Any keto dieter will almost always have more than enough protein to cover such needs. Find me one person on a keto diet whose muscles wasted from a lack of protein.
@@itzakehrenberg3449 My point is, a true keto diet, where no carbs are eaten, is not a long term solution and eating all that animal protein lowers life expectancy and causes more problems.
I've been a vegan for six months now, and I've found that I was having some really really bad fatigue issues because I seemingly unintentionally wasn't getting enough fats in. Once I started including more nuts and nut butters, I started feeling amazing again; but I don't tend to feel nearly as well fasting as I used to back when I still ate lots of meat.
@@goldenhourkodak no diet is completely healthy without animal fats. The history of humans and dental issues (among many others) rose at the era of industrial revolution, which brought more carbs and sugar, trans fats and low quality meat to the plate. I too was propagandized by Game Changers but through research I found the true way again. That is, eating a well balanced diet of protein, fats and minimal carbs. Vegan diet has too much carb with too little protein. Those poor individuals (except the cruel ones that force their children to eat vegan) should read up on gut and physiology syndrome.
and then, after watching gamechangers, we learn from dominion or earthlings or land of hope and glory. and once we realize it's about soooo much more than just our own health, we're vegan for life. wherever we go.
@@ElinWinblad if you truly believed your health is important, you would read the China Study which scientifically proves a vegan diet is optimal for human health, and you would go vegan yourself.
Everybody, this was an interview. If you want more information than what they provided, go look for the information that was rocking the internet and prompted the interview. I felt that this was very interesting and went over some varied information and is quite inspiring for people with pain conditions. Please be respectful in your comments.
I agree with others that this would have been a more valuable test if each had eaten a whole food diet, shared test results, etc. This was hardly scientific or useful.
I find it interesting that many comments about the meateater are concerned with things like biscuit snacking. My experience of switching to a vegan diet albeit via vegetarian in my late 50s was that I stopped wanting or craving biscuits. Initially I would snack on corn chips or a piece of fruit but gradually the fruit became more appealing. When I used to eat meat and dairy I seemed to always crave stuff like biscuits and chocolate. My weight has been stable (I think I lost a few pounds in the first few weeks but put it back on again over the next year. I have never been a whole foods person and still not averse to processed vegan food. I genuinely have more energy now overall, fewer aches and pains, and my gut health has been absolutely amazing. I didn’t adopt plant-based for health reasons and didn’t know what to expect from it.
The only reason they said why they don’t claim to be fully vegan is because of their traveling experiences, they need to be open to food from other cultures. I’ve been plant-based for five years now. I hardly ever go to the doctors anymore but whenever I do go to get blood work done the doctors are impressed with how balanced and healthy my body is. Thank you plants🥒
I would like to see them do vegan vs Keto or carnivore as the high carb one one cuts out all meat and the other protein/fat diet could potentially cut out carbs.
No mention of carbs here. That seems quite an omission. The highs and lows are usually associated with carbs/sugar. Not proteins and fats. Was there a difference in carb and sugar intake? All in all not a lot of useful information here.
Sad they haven’t also made the ethical connection. Once the ethics kicks in you’ll never contribute to the suffering of others. Why do we discuss eating meat like it’s just about diet, no it’s about the life of sentient beings too. Sorry I found this interview cringe 😬
Becouse this Chanel it's specific for health. Thats why they talk about plant base diet and many doctors had been in this Chanel, this Chanel it's for doctors and people that emprove their health. But I understand what you said.
Elena Serrato Thanks for that but I do know Dr Neal Barnard is an avid supporter of non violence and compassion for all. This channel is for all that are interested in learning about living healthy which happens to be compassionate too. I don’t believe it’s just for doctors. The presenter is not a doctor to start with. Maybe for the doctors who needs some training in diet and how it relates to health. This channel has supported BLM and Dr Barnard has successfully stopped certain animal testing that takes place medical practices. This channel is more than just about food, I subscribe because I saw evidence of health & compassion. But thanks for your comment.
Elena Serrato To also to add to my previous comment they did not refer to their diet as plant base, they called it vegan. Now that in itself has many implications as vegan is not just a diet. Some might argue this but that is an error. Please refer to the vegan society website, which will highlight the compassionate history of veganism. When one use a word in an inaccurate way this has many misunderstandings. So, as they (twins) clearly only interested in their diet they should use the appropriate words, so we the audience do not misunderstand what their intentions are. Wishing you a good day.
zciwonapo Thanks for bringing that up. It certainly does. 100% true. That’s why going vegan is the easiest way to reduce those deaths. 70% or more worlds vege crops goes to animal feed, hence going vegan will reduce those deaths. But I have a feeling you already knew that, so let’s not continue this fruitless line of conversation. You sound like you’re well versed in these subjects.
Sorry but its nice to compare veg to sad standard American diet. The vegan would be definitely better. I’d like to see you compared to a good meat based diet. Not to mention the impact on the environment. And a few weeks versus thousands of years. Sorry but i found this vid real shallow (have coffee and breakfast, and then the energy loss. Is this healthy?)
@@dchiffy The nutrition science suggests there is no such thing as a "good meat based diet." Animal products are extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fat (leading to heart disease, the number one cause of death in the U.S. Some types of meat are carcinogenic. If you look at the medical and epidemiological literature, it is clear that meat should be avoided for health and fitness. As for environmental impact, the science is overwhelmingly in favor of vegan diets. Oxford University did a comprehensive study in 2019 and found that not eating meat and dairy products can reduce a person's carbon footprint by up to 73% and is the "single biggest measure" to reduce environmental degradation (land degradation, desertification, water pollution, air pollution, climate change).
Allison Pilcher thank you for the info. I’m sorry but I feel something or many things are missing in this information. 100,200 years ago there were many more ruminant animals and more meat consumption, more topsoil. Less global worming and healthier people. Ever since introducing veg oils and increase in sugar more metabolic disease. My grand parents ate eggs and butter never had heart disease not them and not there friends. And what fertilize will we use to cultivate? Who sponsored these studies? Who sponsors the movies like what the health, the game character? Which are fool of inaccuracies. I understand there were only 2 of them and they can only do two diets. My premise was just that anything is better then the standard diet even vegans and that a few weeks is good but not enough. By the way 100% grass fed meat creates a negative carbon signature.
As soon as I started watching the video, I noticed that not only the interviewer, but also the twins, they all have a soft lens used on them. Their eyes have also been enlarged. Sometimes their eyes look like they are hovering slightly in front of their faces, which shows that that '?beautifying?' feature in cameras, still has to be perfected.
Why? What is it about his skin that is different from his brother's skin? Maybe I can't see it on my computer, but I'd like to know what the difference is. Thanks. Edited: my question wasn't clear and no one was answering :)
@Natural Man And yet, the Masai in Africa have proved dairy to be supremely healthy, as they live on raw milk and blood with no plant material in the diet... but no cancers or other modern diseases. My health has improved drastically since I've gone to a keto diet. My lipid profile is better all around, with ratios proving me to be at a very low risk for heart disease. My weight has dropped, and my diabetes, formerly uncontrolled, is now in pre-diabetic range. My Dr now says I'm on my way to curing it completely. As long as I stay keto.
THe guy on the meat diet ate sugar and drink coffee, that is where his highs and lows came from. secondly I went on a keto diet and felt a whole lot better. No highs and lows and felt good all day long (I am almost 74 years old). My body does not like or process a lot of plants, I get stomach cramps and surprises. On the keto diet my stomach has been calm and everything running smooth. I was on a microbiotic diet years ago in my early 40's, because of stomach problems, but the diet was mostly rice and soy not vegetables. It did cure what I had at the time but after about 2 years I started to return to my old diet, after about 5 years I was completely off of it, and did very well, there was absolutely no kind of sweets on this microbiotic diet and that included honey. I have more problems with grains and legumes and vegetables. Different kinds of lettuce and spinach I do well on and can even eat celery but most everything else must be cooked well and even then my stomach may complain. I think that there is not a diet that fits everyone. These young men were not working a hard job day in and day out like being a lumber jack. Being in a gym is a whole lot different than the real world where you may be sweating profusely and fighting off bugs and danger and really using your body in all kinds of angles. This vegan thing started with the eastern religion and most of them live where it is very hot and humid, and a meat diet could be way to hot. If they lived where there is constant cold and not a whole lot of time to grown all those veggies like the arctic, and did not live in a controlled modern environment, your body would have different needs. The Bibles says all things are good to eat, for it goes thru the body into the latrine, but it is what comes out of you mouth that can be deadly, because that comes from the heart. I am not a Hindu, which have millions of gods, so I will follow my body and my genetics and of coarse the good Lord . The real key is is not to eat all the junk food we are being fed in the groceries stores and fast food places and also not to eat ten tons of sugar. We are hunter gathers and can eat a variety of things that nature provides , it is in man processing the foods where it becomes adulterated and is not recognized by our bodies and so our bodies reacts to it. Such as the way they process milk products, homogenized milk is the worst thing you can drink, drink raw milk because the body can recognize it. These young men need to redo their test and the meat diet should not contain sugars and coffee. I did not hear the other guy saying he was eating sugar and drinking coffee. Please do not forget that all those vegans who think they are doing good ,will be cutting down more forest and killing more natural environment and using way more water in order to grow all those veggies. Everything should be in balance, not too much one way and not too much the other way. People are too far removed from nature and do not understand how it works. There is a reason why some animals eat meat and some eat vegetation and some do both (like us). Reading books cannot tell you how nature works you have to be in it and I don't mean with you big camper and with all those conveniences. Listen to your own body, it is a product of millions of years of genetics. If you eat sh** that is what your body will turn into. If you eat what God made for us to eat without it being adulterated , you will be fine. Don't follow trends. Think about what you are doing and what kind of impact it could have on other living creatures who share this world with us. Get the facts not the fads.
After 5 years battling thyroid cancer I manage to shrink it by 30% since on a keto diet 11months ago. No I don’t think its a coincidence and changing my diet gave me hope!! Most of doctors I’ve spoken with they said that my problem was most likely caused from a chemical imbalance. That situation was most likely created from the natural toxic chemicals found in plants/seeds/fruit including eggplants,potatoes,radishes,cruciferous etc. that unfortunately I really love ❤️ However….a low sugar,carbs,greeny stuff based diet such as keto totally changed my body for good
That's so awesome! If you haven't heard of him, I definitely recommend lectures based on on-going research by Professor Thomas Seyfried. He explains the mechanisms of action as to why keto reduces tumorogenesis, and when combined with other metabolic therapies, has put many late-stage patients into remission. 🙏👍👍👍
So you will go from cancer to heart disease 😢 This is short term - Mark my words - animal products will cause a SLEW of health problems, & within a few years you will be on high blood pressure and/or high cholesterol meds. Don’t listen to people regarding the meat diet - they all have something to gain. You can’t eat dead food & expect to live a long & vital life
„Benefits of the meat diet“.... they clearly didn’t do their research well. That’s disappointing, considering they mention plant based books and research at the beginning. Also it’s plant based for them, not vegan. But I am happy they are trying, who knows maybe they learn more.
They did mention the benefit at the end and it's hard to dispute, for explorers, it makes sense to not limit yourself. That is, if exploring is more important to you than what you put into your body.
@@conanroxorz6737 Exploring is generally a limited-time experience, rather than a daily lifestyle. This is why I contend that, despite lots of good information and facts pointing to us being frugivores, we can survive as omnivores by necessity. Of course eating WFPB will give us better health and longevity pretty much every single time as it is our optimum diet. I'm 5 years into it. Nothing else makes sense if you want best health and longest life. And it is usually cheaper.
@@wadepatton2433 You'll teeth will rot and fall out. There isn't any fruit in the UK that grows year round. It has to be imported...not natural at all.
@@OliHandy2008 Soda and sugar-added foods are what destroys teeth. There is no dental caries in places where they have no access to Westernized or sugar-laden foods. Also it's the lack of chewing plant foods that causes jaws to grow smaller despite the number of teeth--this is what leads to crooked teeth. It's not a problem where folks eat whole plant foods their entire lives, they have wonderful tooth alignment and jaw development. It's all quite natural. Fruits (nor vegetables) have to grow year-around to be preserved and eaten in the Winter. Mankind has been doing such for many centuries.
Mankind has existed for 200,000 yrs+. Agriculture only 20-50,000yrs. What (plants) would I eat in a temperate climate? What (plants) could I store as food? Mankind has lived from hunting and eating meat for millennia, no heart disease, depression, obesity, tooth decay. If you can get through even one 4 month winter eating plants I'd be surprised. What would you eat? Dried grasses and lichen can be eaten by herbivores such as bison and reindeer, and we then eat them. That's natural.
My sister has been a vegetarian for 40+ years while I consume a lot of meat and then veg. (Keto) She is only 2 years older than I am and her skin burns so she doesn’t spend a lot of time in the sun and her skin is very wrinkled where mine has few wrinkles at all. The difference is remarkable. Do a vegan vs carnivore diet with ID twins.
Being a Computer Engineer I usually follow what our Anthropogenic Evolution dictates, it dictates that we need protein and fat not carbohydrates and it clearly points out that we are carnivores we are not vegetarians. Here in Silicon Valley I know of many vegans who were having numerous health issues who when they finally ate fish began to recover from those health issues.
Of course you can mess up with a vegan nutrition like on every other diet and therefore feel like shit. Though instead of basing your opinion on anecdotes, you should inform yourself. If done right, the vegan diet is fine for all stages of life. That is proven scientifically. Btw.: Food related-diseases are one of the leading causes of death in the US. ( obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular, liver and kidney diseases, some types of cancer, and Alzheimer's disease, mainly due to the consumption of too much animal products etc.) Further you can get protein plant-based. You dont even know that as it seems. And we arent carnivores. Wth. We are omnivores.
@@antifaschi7869 Strange, isn't it? I have also noticed that the established medical/scientific industry favor a mostly plant-based vegan diet over any other. However, I find it difficult to believe them (and their studies), given that they're the same people who prescribe pharmaceutical synthetic drugs to us and oppose or deny the efficacy of natural remedies... kind of ironic since they're all about "natural" and plant-based. Also, too many negative testimonials of people who have adopted the vegan diet. It doesn't take a doctor to see with our very own eyes how a lot of vegans look very malnourished, skinny, and aged. There are literally compilation after compilation videos of incredibly skinny vegans promoting veganism. I'm not trying to be rude on their physical appearance but in general, they look sickly. And I know, I've heard vegans accusing other vegans of "not doing it right".. particularly from a vegan who's profile pic did not help his case ((he looked just like the others lol)) Anyway, my personal opinion is that veganism isn't entirely bad. I believe it's a good temporary detox but probably not good for the long term
@@PeaceNinja007 Well...though I could easily cut together compilations of omnivores and/or carnivores, who look sick.^^ There are many of them. It is no proof for a diet being inherently bad. There are a lot of vegan foods to chose from, which contain tons of calories. I am speaking of experience since I am a vegan and not skinny at all. For example eat 100g grams of peanuts, which are very good and you have almost 600 cals.. Add 1l of apple-juice throughout the day and you covered already about half of what an average person needs p/d with only these two things. 🙃 Just a quick example to show how easy it actually is to get enough calories. There are no important nutrients, which you cant get on a plant-based diet. F.e. supplementing Vitamin B12, which is made by bacteria, is recommended. (we live in a steril world) Though omnivores can have a deficiency for various reasons too btw.. Also you should take Vitamin D depending on where you live, because it mainly comes through the sun.(f.e. during the winter) Therefore it applies for everyone.
Lots of the language used by the twins suggests that the psychological element would be: Vegan = placebo Control = nocebo The interviewer’s questions aligned with expectations that the vegan diet would be superior and the twins clearly primed with media that focused on performance benefits of a plant-based diet. As a plant-based athlete myself, I am sympathetic with this, but from the perspective of generating evidence for either diet it is garbage. Placebo/nocebo effects swamp most treatments in sports nutrition because of the powerful influence of confidence and stress in athletic adaptation.
This is bad science. Eating meat along with sugar and carbs is asking to be unhealthy. This would have been a great experiment if it was vegan VS a low carb diet. I eat red meat, bacon, eggs, pork, and low carb veggies and lost 60 lbs. The pasta and sugar is killing us. I'm 6' 3 and 180lbs now.
losing weight is healthy, but not a metric for a healthy diet. you can lose weight with almost any diet like fruitarian, carnivore or juices diet. doesnt make the diet longterm healthy and sustainable.
Yeah, not vegan. It’s great health-wise that they are going to focus on eating more plants and maybe foregoing animal products for some meals but that is not a vegan diet. You can’t mix a vegan diet and a meat diet. That’s ridiculous! It’s either vegan or it’s not. Veganism isn’t about how many plants you eat, it’s about the animals.
T Even if we accepted the dictionary definition as true and comprehensive, you still cannot mix a vegan diet and a non vegan diet. A vegan diet is defined by the exclusion of animal products. As soon as you introduce animal products to it, there is nothing vegan about it.
T actually that’s incorrect! Donald Watson coined the term in the 1940’s and founded the Vegan Society. It’s purpose was and is to prevent and cease to participate in as far as is possible the suffering and slaughter of non human animals. Plant based and even vegetarian is a diet, vegan is and continues to be about the animals.
Pity it wasn't vegan vs carnivore. More importantly, no questions about Greenland and how they felt just "eating whale?" Why do so many (all) comparisons look at vegan vs something that contains meat and go on to emphasise the meat? Is this vegan science?
Carnivore vs vegan would be the correct experiment. So we are being told that the twin with more muscle mass had the same performance as the twin with less. Cool, now I guess we can get rid of weight classes in sports.
@@gioiamihuc1894 Because they called him a "meat-eater". That's not how science works. Veganism = Only plants. Therefore, "meat-eater" should be only meat. You can't just claim "Veganism is healthier than a standard american diet and therefore it is the best diet".
Fascinating to hear Hugo's story about his neck and how a vegan diet has helped him with pain. My neck was broken 12 years ago and my back aches after exertion, or even walking around too much or standing for too long. Great to hear this. I wonder if he added any particular foods, or if the diet as a whole effected the change?
Rose Viola the plant based diet will reduce any inflammation from all over your body. Eat well and your body will heal itself. Cut out calorie rich and processed foods and within no time you will feel the benefits.
@@donwetherell8738 Thank you! I'm nearly there but do sometimes eat processed food, or sub-optimal foods like white sourdough bread or white rice. I think those relatively small infractions are having a bigger impact on my body than I thought, though, and I need to go all-in. About 80-90% of my diet is WFPB. I thought that would be enough to help with pain and other issues but it isn't for me.
If diet is strictly the only thing you're looking at, veganism is the healthiest period. It's already been scientifically proven. That doesn't mean however, that you can't lead a generally healthy lifestyle consuming meat, so long as your diet is balanced with whole foods and sugar/processed foods are limited or cut completely and you don't have significant health issues/dietary restrictions. This video missed a huge opportunity to compare two balanced diets with one containing meat and the other being strictly vegan. Comparing tests between the two, as well as before and after pics would've been largely helpful. If there's a way to make that happen with a set of twins, I think that would be incredibly insightful for more people.
@@jamie5mauser NO. Ketogenic is NOT a meat only diet. Classic macro proportions of daily food intake look like this: 70% good fats + 25% good proteins + 5% veggie carbs. No sugars, no starchy potatoes, no artificial sweeteners, either. There are some slight variations on those proportions, but that’s the gist. A meat-only diet is even wrong on the Adkins diet.
I really tried sticking with the the keto diet, but I just felt awful and it's also really hard to follow. I then tried the Agoge diet and it was life changing, I highly recommend it to everyone.
Just as a reminder: veganism is an ethical choice, not a diet. If you, for example, purchase leather, it would be be vegan. Plant based is a better dietary term.
It sounded like it was meat only, but then you said adding carbs. Thats why the peaks and lows. Do keto and or carnivore and see how many peaks and lows you have?
loosing same weight on two different diets is one thing, but eating healthy is on another level. Would be good to see a comparison of both blood results before and after.
I am an identical twin. My brother eats anything he likes where I went carnivore 6 months ago, because of health reasons. And the difference between us is staggering, I would love for him to try vegan for a 6 months and compare our results. He his 5'7 ", 13half stone, im also 5'7 ", and I'm now weighing 10'4.
I know many Adventist Vegans. When I came across a community of Them I became a believer in Vegan eating.They look much younger and are much Healthier at their ripe old age then any meat eaters that I know.I know 80 plus year olds that out work 40 year olds and look at least 20 years younger.I know 60 year old Vegans that have no wrinkles on their face.Since I went vegan I have way more energy.My body is definitely more clean than when I ate meat.
It would be nice to compare Vegan vs Keto (Atkins). I lose weight and get more energy with Atkins. When I tried vegan I had less energy and more depressed.
Pointless experiment - if the meat eater is still eating junk food like biscuits and chocolate then blaming the meat for feeling bad🙄 it should have been vegan v carnivore... Also 12 weeks does not reflect the fact that veganism is detrimental long term it takes years to deplete your nutritional reserves.
A lot of people seem to find positives when switching to any kind of diet. 12 weeks definitely isn't going to tell you how a diet will turn out in the long run, years later.
Now you both can go and get blood tests done specifically checking all interleukin inflammatory markers, Lp-PLA2, HS-CRP, TNF-Alpha, OxLDL, MPO, CardioIQ Panel, CBC, and CMP for starters. I bet any money that the plant based diet will show significant better blood test results vs the meat diet. How do I know? Because I'm a health professional with nearly 27 years in the business with a specialty in functional medicine and I've seen countless blood test results from meat eaters and plant based dieters and plant based always comes out on top! Not trying to debate because I do eat meat myself, but I just limit red meat. What I state is fact based on my own experience and if you want to debate because you grill a ton of red meat then go do the blood tests I have outlined, especially if you are over 40 and you will see for yourself. Younger guys under 40 can get away with eating rocks if they want, but as you get older the body starts to break down and health problems arise starting with hidden inflammation and then symptoms, and then disease. Catch it early by doing the blood tests I mentioned because only 2% of physicians will check what I have outlined and most people won't do anything until symptoms appear or they have a heart attack and by that time it could be too late. Good luck!
@@johnc.8298 Of course. People who ate meat with bad carbs, sugars, etc. had worse blood profiles and in worse overall health. Those who ate plant based diet also had issues as well as those who ate all meat (carnivore). People who were extremely overweight did very well for the first couple of years following a ketogenic diet. They dropped a significant amount of body fat and their entire blood markers improved across the board. However, some of those people had issues with inflammation and we had to change up their diet. The meat is not as much a problem as the source. Is it grass fed, no hormones, preparation during packaging, how it's prepared before cooking, how it's cooked, etc. all play a role in oxidative stress. Most people have no clue where to start and that's a huge problem. I've also had vegans that ate dairy, gluten, potato, breads, etc. and they were overly fat compared to muscle. Some had full blown diabetes. A lot to this, but in my professional opinion most people who are serious about their health should consult with a professional to get a diet and exercise program that is tailored to fit them based on their blood tests, DNA, health issues, etc.. This is truly the only way to get the best results when it comes to you.
@@Total_Body_Fitness_USA Thanks for the time you took to write such a well detailed message. Your approach is of course sensible, how could it not be? It's difficult to separate one variable from a host of variables. The one point many people make, keto, vegan, etc. alike is that the Standard American Diet is the worst of all and any "diet" seems to be an improvement. Cutting out the junk and processed food industry "food" is the best start. Thx. again, J.
@@johnc.8298 Yes, any diet is an improvement over eating a bunch of processed junk foods high in sugar and bad fats/carbs. Good fats are not a problem as long as you don't combine them with bad carbs, sugars, etc.. Doing this causes a significant increase in triglycerides and weight gain in the form of body fat. Also causes insulin resistance and a lot of other health issues long term. Some people need to be careful with the amount of fat they eat regardless of type because they have a genetically elevated Lp(a) and they need to do everything they can to decrease total LDL. Some people can eat all the fat they want and their LDL never changes or sometimes it decreases. However, is some people a high fat diet significantly increases LDL which for the most part is not a bad thing considering the triglycerides are below 100 and the HDL is preferably above 50, AND they don't have a genetically elevated Lp(a). This is why it's so important for people to do blood testing to get a baseline. Go on their diet and then check blood again in 90 days to see the changes. Most people don't do this and they end up in trouble down the road. Take care!
I was vegan for about 20 years and I was always tired and often sich, gut pain, till 2019 when I became first paleo and then, from 2022, carnivor. All my health problems are finished; I sleep 7/8 hours every night, I do exercise, intermittent fasting. My tyroid is going perfectly as I never had before. The "carnivor man" doesn't eat carnivor. He eats biscuits, drink too much coffee, This is the standard American diet.
I could tell which one was vegan just from the main picture. Short term can be good especially if you eat crap most of the time. But long term, not so good.
While fighting prostate cancer, I went vegan. Within four months, my blood panels were amazing! My Triglycerides went from 213 to 108...good cholesterol went up and the bad went down, etc. I cruised through the radiation treatments...beat cancer...and I feel great! I will never go back!
Amazing! 👏🏽 That’s great to hear.
Whole Foods Plant-Based is the way to go!
No problems with radiation ? I have heard scary stories relating to the anal canal being affected and or radiated by error.
Outstanding!
Awesome. Congratulations
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My wife, and her sister are mirror image twins. My wife has been vegan for 26 years. Her sister has eaten the standard american diet during that time. The difference between their health, and physical condition is very dramatic. My wife is still slender, and very active. Her sister is over weight, has lost height, has lost mobility. Numerous health issues. Neither of them have ever smoked, or drank. Considering that 37 years ago when we got married the two girls looked so identical. Today they barely look like sisters. Diet sure make a huge difference over time.
Complex Carbivorous I can certainly see where the twin who was vegan 26 years would love to be on the podcast. But the question is what would motivate her twin-Standard-American-Diet, want to have a session of "true confessions". She can look at her twin sister and should have seen the difference for years and she did not change her lifestyle. Obviously she is in denial, she is probably addicted to cheese -- and parading her failure in front of the world does not seem likely.
Even posting the image of the overweight twin might be problematic legally. In the end unless the overweight twin came to one accord with her sister, it would create such family problems and hard feelings which no amount of "gee, I'm sorry", will make up for. The Vegan twin would of course want her sister to solve her health issues but the one who is not on board is highly unlikely to reveal her lifestyle caused the problem.
@@courag1 You nailed the situation perfectly. My wife's sister has always been the type to be in denial. She make excuses for all her problems. She never blames the diet she and her husband eat. Of course they are very typical of most Americans today. They only want to hear good things about their bad habits.
Yes, Please bring her on. Probably needs a lot of persuasion or incentive.
It’s not something anyone can change. Obviously her sister is very aware of their physical differences and how similar they used to be. Sometimes the less said the better and she might reach out to her and consider being vegan one day. My twin sister and I are fraternal twins so it’s not the same but she has had health issues on keto and I went vegan. I don’t want to fracture our relationship by trying to convince her any more because she is convinced she is doing the right thing and that I am not. I do worry about her.
That's sad.
Why do they keep calling it a "meat diet" for the left twin when he's eating mostly carbs. Sugar. Biscuits. I'd like to see identical twins that do an actual carnivore or keto diet vs vegan.
Me too, we should find multiple identical twins willing to do this, as it would be highly intriguing. Going from the SAD diet of highly inflammatory veg. oils, fried foods, and processed foods etc. is definitely going to be a step up to anything else, but what is most viable and doable long-term, and without needed supplementing? And what intrigues me a lot is that we do have data from millennia ago in the form of paleopathology (studying ancient tooth remains, etc.), which is basically CSI-ing which diets potentially caused one civilization to live longer than the others, and I found it very intriguing that the ancient Egyptians had gynaecomastia and heart disease and ate a high-grain diet. That's not to say that all plants are bad, but we should follow and test such findings.
I've heard multiple former long-term vegans say they quit because they started to get cavities and tooth erosion, for example, so I'm curious on that front as to why it's so, and other variables on how other vegans make up for that. To its benefit, veganism definitely is great for those wanting gut distension from all of the fiber, as Dr. Greger has pointed out, citing how it's mostly undigestible fiber that brings satiety, but what about long-term issues? With that said, I realize many vegans have reasons beyond paleopathology and have dearly held convictions, which I respect, and am happy for someone if it works for them, because after all, aren't we all in pursuit of the same thing in wanting to see people live healthy, prosperous lives? (Just thought I should add that in case I sound like a snarky know-it-all lol) :-)
Yes. This.
Yep, and include intermittent fasting on the carnivore side; that is, skip that sugar-y breakfast he mentioned. Not eating til at least mid-day, and then stop eating before dark. More aligned with nature.
@@toriarose I agree 100%. Carnivore or even keto with IF thrown in is just so next level! For the past 6 weeks I've been doing mainly carnivore, one meal every two days - which is about three 40ish hour fasts a week. I've never felt better; huge increase in energy and mental clarity. I've lost 15kg (~33lbs) but that isn't even the point anymore. Once I get to goal weight though, I'mma probably gonna go back to OMAD and maybe skip one day of eating each week.
I think that to see the efficacy you are talking about, you would need to test a set of triplets: one on a plant-based diet, one on a SAD and one on a carnivorous diet. Because the bottom line is that the SAD or standard way of eating in the west is the problem: full of saturated fats, full of sugar, full of random crap and fairly low in variety and fresh goods. If you are suggesting that a meat-only diet would be healthier, I think you would also need to compare it to a PB diet to see the implications going either way. There are also so many variables: are the vegan products organic? locally grown? seasonal? Avocados, tropical fruit and plants flown in from around the world? What meat is it? Something free of hormones, reared in a humane way? Is it local to the region or flown in from somewhere to give the meat eater more variety?
A lot to consider.
What was the point of this? Neither person shared what they were eating every day, what amounts, what they were doing for exercise, how often, what their measurements, blood work, bmi, weight loss, before/post, etc. All they talked about was when they started and how they felt during. I got no information or learned anything at all - except for one thing - I think they are very handsome men, so it was nice to watch them on camera.
This comment should be pinned, in order for people to not waste their time watching it.
Waste of time. No meaningful information at all.
Holy moly, terrible. Thank you comments.
I agree. It was a waste of time. There are many ways to eat vegan and so forth. And they presented no objective results. Useless...
100% agreed. I have also tried vegan diet and do not agree vegan is superior. I also have a twin brother, who eats predominantly vegetarian diet while I eat more meat / seafood. Both of us have similar health and no real differences.
It’s really too bad they didn’t share their blood test results, before and after for each twin.
Why? 12 weeks is nothing. It holds zero value.
12 weeks is roughly how long it takes just to adjust to a drastic diet change.
They didn't even start any real experiment.
This would have to be at least 20 years to show ANY sort of tangible difference
Because it’s just another vegan propaganda. One is taking good vegan diet and other is on standard American diet.
@@sobhrajsandhu2809 Yeah it's ridiculous. Put him on a vegan diet for 15 years and put his brother on a proper Carnivore diet for 15 years. One will look like a healthy human that has been eating their natural diet, the other will look like a holocaust survivor.
@@xmapa4677 you obviously haven't met a lot of vegans ;)
@@christa1980 I have met plenty, most are young, idealistic, ignorant and naive and looking for simple answers to the worlds problems and think they found it in veganism. Most of those don’t last more than 12 months before their health fails them. The long terms vegans, the militants ones doing it for the animals, look like emaciated goblins.
It's strange that the twin on meat was still eating biscuits (cookies) and talked about a sugar high and then crash. If they were testing for divergent health diets, why was he still consuming sugar?
What I was thinking also, the meat eater honestly looks healthier though even despite the shitty diet.
I feel like vegans are constantly comparing themselves against the standard western diet, because they know it won't fare well against anything other than the standard western diet
Yeah, this is basically a pointless experiment.
@@sundayrunday7586 I agree, very pointless. They both have to have a very solid all natural diet to be comparable. Vegan if not:
because this is propaganda lol
@@probrickgamer Both of them eat meat, the experiment is over long before this interview, lol. Classic carnist bias inserted strong af into everything, embarrassing 😂
Vegan diets win even against "healthy" omnivorous diets containing significant quantities of animal products; almost all relevant studies either account for inequities or specifically constrain diets, or both.
This is some fantasy that anti-vegans have, that all vegans are health nuts and therefore win against fat SAD-consumers. It's just denial, always some excuse.
Vegan diets don't need to be compared to SAD to come out on top, take your pick of comparison. You come from an herbivorous genus, family and order, so meat is bad for you, get over it
I am a identical twin and vegan nearly 5 years. My twin still eats meat , she has high blood pressure and swelling legs. It got so bad that she tried vegan for a month, all the swelling went down and she lost 14 pounds, but sadly she is back on meat now. I feel so much better since giving up meat products and have lost a lot of weight. Take no medications. I do have days when i eat vegan junk and feel awful . I am an ethical vegan so that is vegan for life. We are age 65.
Interesting how the body works. I dropped my swollen foot issues and lost.plenty of weight on the carnivore diet. I am dropping another 20 pounds then I will reintroduce veggies soups and stews. I am a gardener and I don't want to throw everything away
I suspect a potential oxalate issue in my case. I used to eat decent amount of almonds, cashews, kale spinach among other things. however I think many foods with one ingredients can help.people. The healing is often due to what we stop eating. The carnivore thing is a very nice experiment so far but I am not.married to the concept.
Susan well done, that's great to read. It's a real pity your sister didn't keep it up.
Maybe its not the meat that is the problem but the junk food.
Have your sister try keto/carnivore and then compare. My spouse had high blood pressure and diabetes and he is off both and in normal range now as non diabetic. Only been 4 weeks of eating that way for him to get healthy. Since she’s already eating meat it’s be cool experiment to compare to
Eva Helen Myrvold McDonald’s meal is mostly plants. Bun, lettuce, even cheese isn’t real cheese, fries and soda
I think this is not really a fair comparison as the twin on the regular diet was also eating sugars and carbohydrates - which cause lots of energy fluctuations - but I suppose what is really telling is that the twin eating protein gained muscle mass and the twin eating vegan didn't... also the experiment really wasn't long enough to see any long term affects of both diets... ideally a minimum of 6 months to 12 months would give you a very clear indication of long term health...
If the other twin could lift as much, and had more energy than his twin during and after sessions, why does it matter if he gained less muscle? Strength and size, while they have some relation, are not necessarily directly proportional. And muscle and health are definitely not proportionate. There is a long list of body builders that have died young and were muscle bound way beyond the norm. Muscle doesn't = health, though of course it is good to have functional muscle.
If all one cares about is looking big/getting swole, yeah, eat your meat heavy diet and/or juice, but for me, health is a priority. I don't eat vegan btw. While my diet is mostly plant based, I incorporate a little bit sardines, egg yolks, low fat yogurt, etc.
@@justinw1765 Budybuilders died young because of drug uses. They can literally survive in oreos & being muscular. Plants “proteins” are poorly digest by the humans digestive system because we don’t have the gut bacteria & complex digestive system that herbivores have. So, yeah, more proper proteins = more muscle mass. Many vegans lost weight & lost muscle mass & i even heard of bone density loss. Even chimps eat meat. Hard to think that you can be naturally muscular with just roots, leaves & some fruits.
"The twin eating protein?" They were obviously both eating protein, but from different sources.
@@Jacob-uv1kh Animal protein sources are more bio-available and have a better amino-acid profile
I would like to see this done again, however carnivore v vegan. And showing test results is a must.
Carnivore is great for a quick fix for some food issues but 100% will never be the most efficient diet for humans. However I’m not convinced 100% vegan is the way. I’m plant based and eat organ meat around every 20 meals. Works very well
@@jondeanpt I am plant based as well and well I eat meat when I crave it, which isn’t often probably around once a month
Blood tests will show that those on a 100% whole foods PBD will have great blood work.
@@bonchidude To be honest the only reason I’ve been eating plant based Whole Foods is because I want to live longer and I want to get rid of my acne which has improved it.
@@ezcanor8262 yeah honestly I became vegan to get rid of acne, and now all of my friends say I have the prettiest skin, I don’t have to wear makeup anymore or anything, it’s the way to go, of course I have foods i avoid, mainly peanut butter because of the high fat content that causes me acne, but other than that I’m good.
Great experiment. Of course, we need to be mindful of the fact that there are many different types of vegan and non-vegan diets.
Hi... I went vegan, because I almost had cancer in my uterus, because of the hormonal unbalance that eating animals provoque me. I went vegan and my hormones were back in their normal track in a month. I didn't need any surgery to remove the cancerous cysts. When I was an omnivore I couldn't menstruate for 7 months, and after 1 month of being vegan I could finally bleed, and my body healed... Veganism save me from cancer. And I couldn't be more grateful. I'm thriving. I have been vegan for 8 years now, my hair is knee length thanks to all the vitamins a plant based diet offers. I used to have severe acne, and my face completely healed by going vegan 🥺❤️
No, it's not correct what you say. I have fixed many women with the same problem, and they eat only meat and fat and that also fix all the problem, the real problem is not meat is sugar.
But who cares, at least you’ll die eating meat, and that’s delicious
@@danielparsa2633 u are not just killing urself while eating meat...but even the animals.
@@AM-tb4fn most of the world eats both meat and plant food.
The consumers are not murderers..
@@crazychris1123 what do u think killing someone is called? it is murder
Disappointed they characterized this as vegan vs. meat diet. This was actually a SAD diet vs. vegan/vegetarian which mischaracterizes both vegan and keto/carnivore.
Please stop conflating “keto” with “carnivore”!
A carnivore diet can simply mean a diet that includes meat...BUT, the term is most used to mean a diet that uses mostly meat & other animal foods.
Ketogenic, is NOT meat-heavy. The typical keto diet macros are: 70% good fats + 20% good protein + 10% carbs, from fresh produce....and, though it’s work, keto can be done without eating meat at all, can be done vegetarian....even vegan, if someone figures it out properly.
There are problems with chronically using extreme diets like keto or vegan, but fairly easily fixed using some supplements.
@@Chimonger1 The problem with being in ketosis long term(over 3 years) is that your fasting glucose actually goes UP.....to 120! You want your fasting glucose to be under 80 and ideally around 70. Ketosis is good, don't get me wrong but what you really need is to be metabolically flexible. You should go out of ketosis periodically. The beauty of the carnivore diet is that it puts you in mild ketosis. You will wake up in the morning in ketosis. The problem with low protein ketogenic diets is exactly that.....you don't get enough protein to build any decent muscle or maintain it. Don't obsess over gluconeogenis! You need periods where you use glucose as fuel rather than fat. I think we can all agree white carbs are bad and pufa's are bad. So yes! A carnivore diet IS ketogenic, but in the best way! Heavy ketosis isn't proving to be such a great thing after all. Maybe for short periods and those individuals that needs to lose a lot of fat weight. You cut you protein to only 20% and your gonna lose muscle instead of fat. You should try a CGM for a month to see how much your glucose REALLY fluctuates on your keto type diet. A carnivore diet will show a flat line.......24/7. Add in some honey if you need carbs before a workout. This podcast is really worth hearing. ruclips.net/video/3Wxd2SgTxZI/видео.html
@@eltigre8978 bs, It took me three years to come down to under 100 eating carnivore
Where does it say it was a SAD diet? An article I read clearly shows what the meat eating twin was eating, and it had some healthy ingredients and not particularly junky foods. They aren't even American as fair as I know, why does everyone think everyone eats a SAD?
Where does it state it was a SAD and where does it state it was Vegetarian/Vegan?
Why didn't you ask about the blood test and gut bacteria tests?!!! 🤯
The situation has been reported elsewhere. Both brothers experienced a decrease in microbial diversity in their guts.
@@johnbennett9027 which is a good thing BTW.. Your "gut biome" is mucoid plaque filled with pathogenic "bacteria" AKA molds.. Gangrene, staff, streptococci, candida just to name a few.. And then ofcourse there are the helminths that make their "nests" inside these masses. It's death and decay... And they control your saliva and taste buds aswel!! Also they make melatonin (in the gut) after you had a satiating meal.. Making you sleepy, or lethargic. Under eating is the only way to effectively slow them down.. My theory: they both ate less then before and ate less processed foods that slow down digestion.
@@regiodeurse6513 you could be right. Most people who talk about it say that there should be more diversity but in spite of the certainty that they express I don't think a lot is known about it so your theory is every bit as valid as their's.
@@regiodeurse6513 mucoid plaque doesnt exist. omg. Cells in digestive tract die quickly and are renewed every few days, everything stuck on it falls with it. 300 millions years of evolution. A third of your poop is made of dead cells and bacteria.
@@syc6598 so how do worms and colonies stay inside for decades even? How can gut bacteria even exist when they have no place to set up shop and attach themselves to? If the lining gets constantly flushed away that what be impossible cause that's the only place to hold on to. How do people that are in the hospice (dieing/death ward) still shitting solids after days or even a couple weeks of not eating (my nurse aunt confirmed). Is that all death colon cells? Why isnt it blood or meat color, or just pure mucus by then? We have more then just a colon btw. Intestine is quite extensive. did you ever see an endoscopy of the entire tract?.. Or actually just seen the inside of the small intestine at all beyond the first few inches after the stomach or the very end of it?
Strange that the meat eater mentioned eating significant amounts of sugar, I’d say that’s responsible for the fatigue he experienced.
Interestingly, the sugar eater mentioned eating significant amounts of meat and dairy... lol... but seriously, the plant-based diet is a high carb diet and many, if not most vegans, like sugar as well, whether in the form of fruit, or just sugar. I am vegan, and drink a sugary caffienated drink twice a day, and have no problems with my energy. I have a lot lot lot more energy than I did when I ate meat and dairy.... AND I no longer have eczema or issues with seasonal allergies!
The one's omnivore diet probably included bread and cereal, which people equate to rising sugar levels.
Because wea are starchivores! He's constantly craving sweets, starch, sugar & salt!
I remember feeling extreme fatigue after every big meat based meals (Thanksgiving etc) b4 going vegan.
Right why they added sugar
I'm vegan for every other reason besides health, but I am the healthiest I have ever been. I eat really clean and I feel amazing all the time. I do kickboxing, yoga, and strength training. I couldn't imagine not being vegan. Thanks for this video.
What is your age? May I ask?
@@robertmartino7548 I am 41 years old.
@@southern842 In peace and kindness my sweet friend, the life of no harm or ahimsa has never been a diet for me but a way of showing up in the world. I began the journey to improve my body through mindful movement long before I considered my consumption. Now they exist in a beautiful balance that nourishes my whole being. May you be well, safe, happy, and free from suffering. 💜
"A cup of coffee & a biscuit"? On Carnivor? No, you didn't do the carnivore diet. For all the supposed expert assistance & monitoring at your disposal your "team" sure didn't understand the fundamental essence of the very thing you were trying to understand. FAIL, or set up to fail.
You mean carnivores aren’t allowed a cup of coffee? What are they supposed to drink? Blood?
@@cosimavonliebenau8317 It is probably more the biscuit, which implies a grain based cookie.
@@Johan_g Ah, the cookie is the crime, is it? Then I’m unlikely to become a carnivore. I hadn’t realised carnivores ONLY eat meat.
@@cosimavonliebenau8317 Yes, if you eat both carnivore and vegan, you are an omnivore.
@@cosimavonliebenau8317 Wow...pretty dumb. What did you think?? That carnivores only at cookies?
Great talk. I like that the transitional stage of a dietary change is mentioned. I think it’s important to get this information out there and to emphasise that the body needs time to adjust and it’s not just immediate switch where all of a sudden you feel the benefits.
4 years vegan now and it’s life changing for me. My back was badly injured in MMA 10 years ago and since being vegan my food helps my natural inflammation and recovery.
Let’s have a moment for our fallen brother.
Really wish you had asked them about the details of their lab tests .
Here are some lab tests.... 8:45 he speaks of sugar levels on *meat* diet. 100g meat contain 0% carbs.
So they cheated on the diet already so what would a lab test do?
Lol! Ross on the yellow brick road to cancer & heart disease!
This was actually a terrible interview, almost zero info on what they actually ate either.
Interesting, on a "meat" diet, he still had sugar in his coffee and ate biscuits. So, how is this a "meat only" diet? Their "experiment" was a complete waste of time. How is this from the "physicians committee" when there wasn't anything controlled? A waste of my 15 minutes.
no kidding. a vegan diet for a few months is gonna be better than a crap diet. let them tell us all about it in a few years.
I could not agree more. "Meat" diet does not consist of processed carbage. 3 months of eliminating the carbage of course he will feel 10x better. Try staying true vegan for 3 years then see if you feel the same
You mad lol
I did wonder, thanks for saving me the time of watching this.
THe correct study would have been, one went carnivore one went vegan. Instead, the vegan simply proved that you're government and the food industry are treating people like idiots.
@@TheCompleteGuitarist Any one who stopped the Standard American Diet (SAD) and ate clean, would feel so much better. Unfortunately, our bodies weren't made to be vegan. After a couple of years, a human does suffer. We need protein and amino acids to thrive. True the vegan twin proved that NOT eating crap is beneficial.
I can't say this is very scientific.
Boring like hell
I would say the only thing scientific is the use of metrics (kilos) and not, thankfully, pounds or stones
Duh it’s an interview. If you want to read the “scientific” manuscript of the study it’s on their website.
Veganism takes more than 12 weeks to deteriorate health anyway. I'd like this "experiment" to go as long as 5 years.
@plants4passions V It's great if it worked for you. It doesnt work for all people.
I have all the same results without any plant food. Genetics plays a huge role i guess, it depends on our ancestors.
As a carnivore... I would love to see one go vegan or fruitarian and one go strict carnivore...but for a longer length of time... 12 weeks is not long enough. I did vegan for years... then fruitarian... but got so sick I had to change... now, two years into carnivore I feel so amazing and healthy...
That was what I thought! 12 weeks is not enough to see the deteriorating effect of veganism.
what a joke.
Try this instead: one eats meat, fish, chicken, eggs, dairy no fruit vegetables or juice the other does vegan. Try it for a month.
Yeah and the one who eats meat etc will look better and have better health !!
Veganism = 💀
@@brookelynnmarie5063 Do you eat no fruits, or vegetables? (I assume Hanna also meant no bread, cakes, cookies, candy, pasta, peanut butter, etc, as they are plant products.) I do know that people on a meat- *heavy* diet die young, but that's not a meat- *only* diet, so maybe the broccoli killed them:^)
Do you want that one to die? Lol Regardless of how you feel about veganism, I think everybody knows that you need fruits and vegetables. Won't do much for their brand if only one twin survives to tell the results.
@@ketchyshubby I only eat raw meat and I am still alive. I don't eat any plants. This is the diet of the paleolithic human and has been our natural diet for millions of years. Nobody needs plants, if we did we would be extinct.
@@lazur1 That was actually spinach
After being vegan now for almost eleven years, I take the even energy levels for granted so I kind of forget about it but I do remember the highs and lows back when I ate meat and other animal products. Going vegan has been the best choice by far.
Seriously, a sad diet vs. vegan? The non vegan ate sugar! No comparison. How about a clean keto vs vegan?
Keto will destroy your gallbladder.
This is nonsense--Anyone eating real food no matter what the food is will be healthier than a person eating SAD. Meaningless results. Just like calling 40% "low carb"
The meat eating twin wasn't eating a SAD, he was eating a meat inclusive diet with some healthier aspects. If you check out an article about them it will tell you what they were eating.
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!! What a waste of time
I agree. It isnt low carb unless its less than 10% carb.
Exactly right...
Carnivore is good if you use honey or some kind of carb source and eat organ meats bc men blood test show on carnivore your total test goes up but so does your shbg level so your free test is low even with higher total without at least small amounts of carbs, and vegan diets tend to have a low over all sex hormone profile and high levels of polyunsaturated fats are not even slightly healthy in terms of cancer and cardiovascular health.
Some ppl dont produce the enzymes to make vitamin k2 and other nutrients that are nearly impossible to get in a vegan diet meaning large portions of our ancestors definitely ate animal products or they could not of survived so our ancestors were without a doubt omnivores.
If people just got off the tribal high horses on either side the evidence is very straightforward.
The major disagreement I have with videos like this is that there's an obvious conflation of plant based dieting with veganism (or vegan living). There's actually no such thing as a "vegan diet" since *Vegan* is not defined as what someone eats.......Vegan is defined as one's relationship (in regards to respecting an individual's autonomy) with animal species other than the human variety.
*Plant based dieting =/= Vegan (Vegan living)*
no it isnt - its a diet in the dictionary.
@@traymitt
Dictionaries aren't always the most accurate sources......especially in this case. Have a nice day.
@@LouisGedo - Thanks for making the point. It's really not so difficult to say 'plant-based' when talking about diets and health, so we can leave behind for good that silly mixing of two very different things: acting with justice in mind versus being concerned exclusively with one's health.
T Please check the vegan society website. It will educate. Veganism has a rich history. Dictionaries don’t always give you the education. For example in the English language one can coin words to express themselves and that is widely excepted by scholars but these words will not appear in the dictionary.
Vegans "Words and definitions don't matter. Only my religion is important."
Healthy vegan eating is fantastic, which is usually called plant-based. Junk food vegan, not so much. Oreos are vegan.
Whole food is the key; seeds oil and fructose are also plant based.
I lost about 10 kilo since going vegetarian in my own time (away from home, with family, I might eat some meat) and my cholesterol level has dropped in a good way as well.
The strange thing is I get "a lot" of stick from non, overweight, family members, saying eating vegetarian is unhealthy and making fun of me eating more fruit and vegetables (?)
Tell them They all look slim & healthy but the sad thing is they have heart disease by coating their veins & arteries with cholesterol, saturated fats & rancid oils!
Let me get this right. They had the perfect opportunity to compare a healthy diet that contains meat vs a vegan diet but instead one twin was on a diet of meat and sugar as best i can tell from this awesome interview.
Stevo1361 I thought the same! Would have been good if it was a whole foods diet (inc meat) vs a vegan diet.
Yeah, that was my take too. It doesn't matter if one eats meat and the other is vegan if the meat eater is eating junk and conventionally grown CAFO meat. The junk, sugar and inflamed meat will always show bad against a vegan. Try the same study with clean keto diet vs. a junk food vegan, and the vegan will show up lacking!
I'm a vegan who also eats quite a lot of sugar (mostly from ice cream and fruits) and also carbs from white flour (lots of pizza, bakery products). It doesn't seem to hurt at all.
I also tried keto before I went vegan (5 years ago or so), with horrible results on my cholesterol levels. Doctors suspected familial hypercholesterolemia when I got tested - but it was just the damn keto diet. After switching to vegan, cholesterol dropped like a bomb within 2 weeks.
clray123 Doesnt hurt in what way? I wouldn’t expect it to hurt/increase bodyfat levels too much if you’re going between fruit and veg intake and simple carbs. Insulin sensitivity probably suffers, muscle mass is probably limited unless on ped’s.
And yeh excessive protein consumption with hereditary issues aint a good idea. Like i said for the video, its a shame you didn’t just try a healthful diet similar to a mediteranian diet, consuming the widest variety of whole foods. Fruit, veg, nuts, legumes, meat, fish, fermented dairy and foods.
@@Stevo1361 It doesn't hurt in the sense I have low-average body fat, can exercise a lot (gymnastics, yoga, inline skating) and feel good overall.
Sugar is the natural compound found in fruit. It is not "poison" it is made out to be. Getting yourself some extra sugar is comparable to finding a very ripe nice fruit in a natural setting, and there is a good reason our bodies crave it and even get addicted to it (they don't really crave fat that much, as far as I can tell).
The evolved way for our body to function is to stuff itself full of sugary fruit while it is available, perhaps gain some body fat in the process, and then lose it again when winter, the time of starvation and suffering comes (gather some nuts in advance so you can outlast it).
As for meat, it's a desperation food when you run out of everything else.
I notice for me I had to go vegan because I was having constant break outs bloating and even face swelling. So even though it taste good my body was suffering and my health. Once I went vegan no more bloating or allergic reactions or face swelling
Had the exact same result from going keto.
Maybe you are just a mishap of nature
Good idea to listen to what your body feedback is giving you. I got kidney stones twice as I started to increase my plant food intake. I later read about oxalates from Sally K. Norton which explained everything. I'm really careful about which plants I eat and how much. Potatoes, spinach, and chocolate (sigh :/) and some others are now off the menu.
Actually, Veganism is proven to be more allergenic in studies, lol. Plant defences are a thing.
@@MrBilld75 we are frugivores 😂
This is misleading because the meat eater didn’t get fat adapted with biscuits and sugar spikes lol. Sugar!!! So normal diet vs vegan of course vegan is better.
Also, people still think that cholesterol is bad. Had he gone purely meat-based, he would have been healthier than the vegan easily
Maybe people should get carb adapted instead.
@@Vamavid Carbs are not essential nutrient
Yes, also. 12 weeks of a vegan diet is basically a cleanses. The body of a standard diet person has stored nutrients in their body. Over time those stores are depleted that's when problems happen. This is all New Diet Elation. A few years from now he'll be totally depleted.
If the meat eater cut the sugars and lower carbs to less than 50g a day, that would be a much better comparison.
Whole-heartedly agree! We are comparing apples to not-apples here.
Yes I’d say 20 g or less a day no sugar no grains
This told me nothing. One was not on a strict carnivore diet. What were their eating habits like before? 90 days? Do it for a year, monitored by people who know what the specific diets are to the core. I want to know before/after LDL/HDL ratios, triglycerides CRP, GRF kidney functions, insulin resistance before and after. How many hours a night did they sleep, exactly the same? This was a very open ended topic with no specifics on anything except "how I felt compared to...". In order to get a study and get some realistic data, they would have to be monitored daily by actual nutritional experts, noting everything they ate, supplements, stress, fasting/non fasting glucose levels, sleep habits, cortisol levels and the list goes on and on.
I was about to die with auto-immune disease, hospitalized several days. Nothing as helping. I was getting chemo medication, however it was not getting better but stabled. I turned to vegetarian, things started to get better immediately, once I turned to vegan, over the time even my damaged kidneys have recovered, all blood levels and inflammation got back to normal, everything turned to normal level which amazed me. However, my motivation turning to vegan was not the case of getting my damaged organs to back to normal bcoz doctors said it is not possible. I turned to vegan after watching documentaries and stoped eating ANIMALS or ANIMAL FLESH. thank you everyone who tries to stop this holocaust/salevary/raping of what we do animals.
Ok I’m a vegan but the meat twin mentions the meat diet being more unstable with energy due tl sugar fluctuations in diet but he mentions sugared coffee and biscuits for breakfast and snack lol videos like this actually drive people looking into plant based diets away because they’re not showing that meat is bad but that refined processed food is bad and that affects energy levels
Plus severe metabolic consequences. One needs whole unprocessed organis food, then compare. They stacked the deck and/or are clueless about the harm of sugar.
Yeah pretty dumb video
They had the chance to do an interesting test being twins but their knowledge about food and biology is simply too low and 12 weeks isn't enough by far anyway
He also says he gained 9 pounds of muscle in twelve weeks lmao. Maybe on Test
Probably just muscle memory. Probably 90% glycogen and water.
They mentioned starting to train again.
The meat also contains creatine. It is not uncommon to gain 5-10lbs of water weight in the first week, which looks like muscle gain because it is being pulled into the muscle.
15 minutes of video, not one piece of information. No numbers, no comparison, just “how did you feel?” And based on nothing but raving about one diet, they conclude “we are going to combine both diets”. Ridiculous. Suggests I believe nothing said in the whole video.
Just read any articles about the results if you want more in depth answers, they only had 15 minutes.
Thank you for this post, I dont want to waste 10 minutes more of my life (I've already saw 5 minutes). This comment should be pinned.
This is like me and my twin. I wish he would go vegan as it’s been 10 years and he’s had much health issues compared to me.
Keep talking & influence him!
That's gotta be rough. Just be the example, and he'll come around.
is he on the standard american diet or keto?
@@monkeymanwasd1239 standard. But keto is not much of a difference imo
@@Native2Earth buy him food for vegan keto or something, thats likely the only way you will convince him. have you ever been on keto or looked into the sci behind keto stuff like fasting or cold exposure?
What a way to give your life for a cause: dying prematurely by eating meat for the sake of science. Hats off to the twin who ate meat.
It would be interesting to see what kind of diets they led. Eating vegan or omnivore doesn't mean healthy, so there is a significant discrepancy there.
Also, how did they perform in the gym before they took on this experiment?
And it sounds like the vegan was sans added sugar while the "regular" diet included added sugar
@@terry_orie Eating vegan is the epitome of healthy. Human Beings are anatomically built for the consumption of plants. We do not have massive canine teeth, we have jaws that move laterally as well as dorso-ventrally and most importantly our GI tract is relatively long in comparison to other carnivores.
It sounded like Ross, the meat eater, was eating sugary snacks which is well known to cause energy spikes and crashes. I think their idea of combining the best of both diets is the ideal approach. If you eat dairy or meat, always eat organic, too.
permaculture, regeneratively grazed and marine permaculture tend to be better than organic as people are still using loads of pesticides dispite what people think of the organic label. low till, minimum till, and keyline plowing/deep ripping are also better things to look out for. i try to tell folks to not eat carbs and fats in the same meal.
Red meat is a class 1B carcinogen. It can never be healthy. Wake up.
I am not convinced. I got really sick in my 30s and 40s. I almost stroked out when I got pregnant at 40. I felt like I was going to die. I miscarried and then I went on an elimination diet. I lost 10 lbs of fluid in one week. So I went off gluten and dairy. I found out I had celiacs and hashimotos low thyroid. I lost 46 lbs in a couple months. Today the only grain I tolerate is rice. I eat mostly paleo. People tell me I look like I am 30 years old. I am 54 year old. I am still working on getting off sweets and coffee. I have retained my weight for more then 15 years. I am 125 lbs. I would like to just vegan or maybe just do vegan part of the week. I do eat smaller portions. I never get sick anymore. Before every year I had infections: lungs, sinuses and ear. I had asthma. I had joint problems and bone pain. Chronic constipation. IBS and Brainfog. I currently take no medications for my hashimotos because my low thyroid stabilized.
It would be worth comparing vegan to keto with both being non-processed as I don't think this was a fair test as the carb content of either was not specified(a sugar crash was described) and neither was the amount of processed food.
I would love to see a comparison of vegan vs. Ketogenic diet, including lab results and fitness testing results. Either diet is an improvement over the SAD.
The problem with stating keto, is your body will break down muscle to get blood sugar levels right. So it's either lose muscle or eat protein so often that it's extra unhealthy.
@@nomore1980 Where do you get your misinformation?
@@itzakehrenberg3449 No misinformation here. When the body has low levels of blood sugar, no stores of it in the liver, protein is turned into glucose.
@@nomore1980 Yep, gluconeogenesis, but the amount of protein necessary to produce any glucose needed by the body is quite small. Any keto dieter will almost always have more than enough protein to cover such needs. Find me one person on a keto diet whose muscles wasted from a lack of protein.
@@itzakehrenberg3449 My point is, a true keto diet, where no carbs are eaten, is not a long term solution and eating all that animal protein lowers life expectancy and causes more problems.
I've been a vegan for six months now, and I've found that I was having some really really bad fatigue issues because I seemingly unintentionally wasn't getting enough fats in. Once I started including more nuts and nut butters, I started feeling amazing again; but I don't tend to feel nearly as well fasting as I used to back when I still ate lots of meat.
Vegans: Epitome of malnourishment is an eye opening series.
@@checkitoutguys1 It’s an anti-science fictional series
@@goldenhourkodak fictional yeah right, the people that appear on those vids aren't real then?
@@checkitoutguys1 There real people who’ve eaten poorly planned diets. Then they blame it on veganism despite it being a completely healthy diet.
@@goldenhourkodak no diet is completely healthy without animal fats. The history of humans and dental issues (among many others) rose at the era of industrial revolution, which brought more carbs and sugar, trans fats and low quality meat to the plate. I too was propagandized by Game Changers but through research I found the true way again. That is, eating a well balanced diet of protein, fats and minimal carbs. Vegan diet has too much carb with too little protein. Those poor individuals (except the cruel ones that force their children to eat vegan) should read up on gut and physiology syndrome.
and then, after watching gamechangers, we learn from dominion or earthlings or land of hope and glory. and once we realize it's about soooo much more than just our own health, we're vegan for life. wherever we go.
I lost my life because of veganism
oki doki yea in the end most ppl like myself go back to meats because our health IS important.
@@okidoki3201 so I suppose you are ghost-writing this comment?
@@ElinWinblad if you truly believed your health is important, you would read the China Study which scientifically proves a vegan diet is optimal for human health, and you would go vegan yourself.
AJ Vintage China Study is garbage, just like a WFPB diet.
Real animal foods is where the nutrition is.
The one in the green obviously looks more alive
He is vegan?
...and I think the one in white looks healthier.
@@carolyngrayston6889 then one in the white still reported negative effects so looks doesn’t matter
The one in the white also hasn't shaved and spruced up his face.
Everybody, this was an interview. If you want more information than what they provided, go look for the information that was rocking the internet and prompted the interview. I felt that this was very interesting and went over some varied information and is quite inspiring for people with pain conditions. Please be respectful in your comments.
I agree with others that this would have been a more valuable test if each had eaten a whole food diet, shared test results, etc. This was hardly scientific or useful.
I find it interesting that many comments about the meateater are concerned with things like biscuit snacking. My experience of switching to a vegan diet albeit via vegetarian in my late 50s was that I stopped wanting or craving biscuits. Initially I would snack on corn chips or a piece of fruit but gradually the fruit became more appealing. When I used to eat meat and dairy I seemed to always crave stuff like biscuits and chocolate.
My weight has been stable (I think I lost a few pounds in the first few weeks but put it back on again over the next year. I have never been a whole foods person and still not averse to processed vegan food.
I genuinely have more energy now overall, fewer aches and pains, and my gut health has been absolutely amazing. I didn’t adopt plant-based for health reasons and didn’t know what to expect from it.
The only reason they said why they don’t claim to be fully vegan is because of their traveling experiences, they need to be open to food from other cultures. I’ve been plant-based for five years now. I hardly ever go to the doctors anymore but whenever I do go to get blood work done the doctors are impressed with how balanced and healthy my body is. Thank you plants🥒
I would like to see them do vegan vs Keto or carnivore as the high carb one one cuts out all meat and the other protein/fat diet could potentially cut out carbs.
No mention of carbs here. That seems quite an omission. The highs and lows are usually associated with carbs/sugar. Not proteins and fats. Was there a difference in carb and sugar intake? All in all not a lot of useful information here.
Sad they haven’t also made the ethical connection. Once the ethics kicks in you’ll never contribute to the suffering of others. Why do we discuss eating meat like it’s just about diet, no it’s about the life of sentient beings too. Sorry I found this interview cringe 😬
Becouse this Chanel it's specific for health. Thats why they talk about plant base diet and many doctors had been in this Chanel, this Chanel it's for doctors and people that emprove their health. But I understand what you said.
Elena Serrato Thanks for that but I do know Dr Neal Barnard is an avid supporter of non violence and compassion for all. This channel is for all that are interested in learning about living healthy which happens to be compassionate too. I don’t believe it’s just for doctors. The presenter is not a doctor to start with. Maybe for the doctors who needs some training in diet and how it relates to health. This channel has supported BLM and Dr Barnard has successfully stopped certain animal testing that takes place medical practices. This channel is more than just about food, I subscribe because I saw evidence of health & compassion. But thanks for your comment.
Elena Serrato To also to add to my previous comment they did not refer to their diet as plant base, they called it vegan. Now that in itself has many implications as vegan is not just a diet. Some might argue this but that is an error. Please refer to the vegan society website, which will highlight the compassionate history of veganism. When one use a word in an inaccurate way this has many misunderstandings. So, as they (twins) clearly only interested in their diet they should use the appropriate words, so we the audience do not misunderstand what their intentions are. Wishing you a good day.
Farming vegetables contributes to animal suffering as well, don't be naive.
zciwonapo Thanks for bringing that up. It certainly does. 100% true. That’s why going vegan is the easiest way to reduce those deaths. 70% or more worlds vege crops goes to animal feed, hence going vegan will reduce those deaths. But I have a feeling you already knew that, so let’s not continue this fruitless line of conversation. You sound like you’re well versed in these subjects.
Sorry but its nice to compare veg to sad standard American diet. The vegan would be definitely better. I’d like to see you compared to a good meat based diet. Not to mention the impact on the environment. And a few weeks versus thousands of years. Sorry but i found this vid real shallow (have coffee and breakfast, and then the energy loss. Is this healthy?)
Pablo B ha?
@@dchiffy The nutrition science suggests there is no such thing as a "good meat based diet." Animal products are extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fat (leading to heart disease, the number one cause of death in the U.S. Some types of meat are carcinogenic. If you look at the medical and epidemiological literature, it is clear that meat should be avoided for health and fitness. As for environmental impact, the science is overwhelmingly in favor of vegan diets. Oxford University did a comprehensive study in 2019 and found that not eating meat and dairy products can reduce a person's carbon footprint by up to 73% and is the "single biggest measure" to reduce environmental degradation (land degradation, desertification, water pollution, air pollution, climate change).
Allison Pilcher thank you for the info. I’m sorry but I feel something or many things are missing in this information. 100,200 years ago there were many more ruminant animals and more meat consumption, more topsoil. Less global worming and healthier people. Ever since introducing veg oils and increase in sugar more metabolic disease. My grand parents ate eggs and butter never had heart disease not them and not there friends. And what fertilize will we use to cultivate? Who sponsored these studies? Who sponsors the movies like what the health, the game character? Which are fool of inaccuracies. I understand there were only 2 of them and they can only do two diets. My premise was just that anything is better then the standard diet even vegans and that a few weeks is good but not enough. By the way 100% grass fed meat creates a negative carbon signature.
I assumed the twin in green went vegan. Not because of his shirt but because of his skin.
Yes, me too, immediately I saw them.
Yes that's right, Hugo (in the green) says "I got the vegan, Ross got the meat (diets)"
As soon as I started watching the video, I noticed that not only the interviewer, but also the twins, they all have a soft lens used on them. Their eyes have also been enlarged. Sometimes their eyes look like they are hovering slightly in front of their faces, which shows that that '?beautifying?' feature in cameras, still has to be perfected.
Why? What is it about his skin that is different from his brother's skin? Maybe I can't see it on my computer, but I'd like to know what the difference is. Thanks. Edited: my question wasn't clear and no one was answering :)
The twin in the green shirt stated that he was vegan at the beginning of the video.
Again someone that says they will do something then doesn't. Where are the links in show more you promised???
One should go keto while the other goes vegan for another experiment.
@@danskdna8550 very very similar to what I did. The only big variance from keto is that I swap dairy for more beef/chicken.
EXACTLY! Have 2 people eat a very healthy diet of keto vs vegan
Or perhaps trying one vegan and the other purely carnivore.
@Natural Man And yet, the Masai in Africa have proved dairy to be supremely healthy, as they live on raw milk and blood with no plant material in the diet... but no cancers or other modern diseases.
My health has improved drastically since I've gone to a keto diet. My lipid profile is better all around, with ratios proving me to be at a very low risk for heart disease. My weight has dropped, and my diabetes, formerly uncontrolled, is now in pre-diabetic range. My Dr now says I'm on my way to curing it completely. As long as I stay keto.
@Natural Man if you eat garbage meat that is mass produced yes. If you eat a raw diet similar to keto with meat and get plenty of exercise, no.
This is fascinating! Thank you for posting this!
Really? You find this fascinating 😂
THe guy on the meat diet ate sugar and drink coffee, that is where his highs and lows came from. secondly I went on a keto diet and felt a whole lot better. No highs and lows and felt good all day long (I am almost 74 years old). My body does not like or process a lot of plants, I get stomach cramps and surprises. On the keto diet my stomach has been calm and everything running smooth. I was on a microbiotic diet years ago in my early 40's, because of stomach problems, but the diet was mostly rice and soy not vegetables. It did cure what I had at the time but after about 2 years I started to return to my old diet, after about 5 years I was completely off of it, and did very well, there was absolutely no kind of sweets on this microbiotic diet and that included honey. I have more problems with grains and legumes and vegetables. Different kinds of lettuce and spinach I do well on and can even eat celery but most everything else must be cooked well and even then my stomach may complain. I think that there is not a diet that fits everyone. These young men were not working a hard job day in and day out like being a lumber jack. Being in a gym is a whole lot different than the real world where you may be sweating profusely and fighting off bugs and danger and really using your body in all kinds of angles. This vegan thing started with the eastern religion and most of them live where it is very hot and humid, and a meat diet could be way to hot. If they lived where there is constant cold and not a whole lot of time to grown all those veggies like the arctic, and did not live in a controlled modern environment, your body would have different needs. The Bibles says all things are good to eat, for it goes thru the body into the latrine, but it is what comes out of you mouth that can be deadly, because that comes from the heart. I am not a Hindu, which have millions of gods, so I will follow my body and my genetics and of coarse the good Lord . The real key is is not to eat all the junk food we are being fed in the groceries stores and fast food places and also not to eat ten tons of sugar. We are hunter gathers and can eat a variety of things that nature provides , it is in man processing the foods where it becomes adulterated and is not recognized by our bodies and so our bodies reacts to it. Such as the way they process milk products, homogenized milk is the worst thing you can drink, drink raw milk because the body can recognize it. These young men need to redo their test and the meat diet should not contain sugars and coffee. I did not hear the other guy saying he was eating sugar and drinking coffee. Please do not forget that all those vegans who think they are doing good ,will be cutting down more forest and killing more natural environment and using way more water in order to grow all those veggies. Everything should be in balance, not too much one way and not too much the other way. People are too far removed from nature and do not understand how it works. There is a reason why some animals eat meat and some eat vegetation and some do both (like us). Reading books cannot tell you how nature works you have to be in it and I don't mean with you big camper and with all those conveniences. Listen to your own body, it is a product of millions of years of genetics. If you eat sh** that is what your body will turn into. If you eat what God made for us to eat without it being adulterated , you will be fine. Don't follow trends. Think about what you are doing and what kind of impact it could have on other living creatures who share this world with us. Get the facts not the fads.
No one is going to read all that
So.... he ate sugar and carbs along with meats? There is a reason why he didn't feel good and it doesn't take a genius to figure that out🤪
They should ve showed a picture of them before the experiment to see if they are identical twins.
After 5 years battling thyroid cancer I manage to shrink it by 30% since on a keto diet 11months ago. No I don’t think its a coincidence and changing my diet gave me hope!!
Most of doctors I’ve spoken with they said that my problem was most likely caused from a chemical imbalance. That situation was most likely created from the natural toxic chemicals found in plants/seeds/fruit including eggplants,potatoes,radishes,cruciferous etc. that unfortunately I really love ❤️
However….a low sugar,carbs,greeny stuff based diet such as keto totally changed my body for good
That's so awesome! If you haven't heard of him, I definitely recommend lectures based on on-going research by Professor Thomas Seyfried. He explains the mechanisms of action as to why keto reduces tumorogenesis, and when combined with other metabolic therapies, has put many late-stage patients into remission. 🙏👍👍👍
So you will go from cancer to heart disease 😢 This is short term - Mark my words - animal products will cause a SLEW of health problems, & within a few years you will be on high blood pressure and/or high cholesterol meds. Don’t listen to people regarding the meat diet - they all have something to gain. You can’t eat dead food & expect to live a long & vital life
There is no way that vegan lost 4kg of fat. He lost 4kg of weight. Big difference. The weight he lost was 70% muscle mass. Statistically speaking.
„Benefits of the meat diet“.... they clearly didn’t do their research well. That’s disappointing, considering they mention plant based books and research at the beginning. Also it’s plant based for them, not vegan.
But I am happy they are trying, who knows maybe they learn more.
They did mention the benefit at the end and it's hard to dispute, for explorers, it makes sense to not limit yourself. That is, if exploring is more important to you than what you put into your body.
@@conanroxorz6737 Exploring is generally a limited-time experience, rather than a daily lifestyle. This is why I contend that, despite lots of good information and facts pointing to us being frugivores, we can survive as omnivores by necessity. Of course eating WFPB will give us better health and longevity pretty much every single time as it is our optimum diet. I'm 5 years into it. Nothing else makes sense if you want best health and longest life. And it is usually cheaper.
@@wadepatton2433 You'll teeth will rot and fall out. There isn't any fruit in the UK that grows year round. It has to be imported...not natural at all.
@@OliHandy2008 Soda and sugar-added foods are what destroys teeth. There is no dental caries in places where they have no access to Westernized or sugar-laden foods. Also it's the lack of chewing plant foods that causes jaws to grow smaller despite the number of teeth--this is what leads to crooked teeth. It's not a problem where folks eat whole plant foods their entire lives, they have wonderful tooth alignment and jaw development. It's all quite natural. Fruits (nor vegetables) have to grow year-around to be preserved and eaten in the Winter. Mankind has been doing such for many centuries.
Mankind has existed for 200,000 yrs+. Agriculture only 20-50,000yrs. What (plants) would I eat in a temperate climate? What (plants) could I store as food? Mankind has lived from hunting and eating meat for millennia, no heart disease, depression, obesity, tooth decay. If you can get through even one 4 month winter eating plants I'd be surprised. What would you eat? Dried grasses and lichen can be eaten by herbivores such as bison and reindeer, and we then eat them. That's natural.
My sister has been a vegetarian for 40+ years while I consume a lot of meat and then veg. (Keto) She is only 2 years older than I am and her skin burns so she doesn’t spend a lot of time in the sun and her skin is very wrinkled where mine has few wrinkles at all. The difference is remarkable. Do a vegan vs carnivore diet with ID twins.
Being a Computer Engineer I usually follow what our Anthropogenic Evolution dictates, it dictates that we need protein and fat not carbohydrates and it clearly points out that we are carnivores we are not vegetarians. Here in Silicon Valley I know of many vegans who were having numerous health issues who when they finally ate fish began to recover from those health issues.
Of course you can mess up with a vegan nutrition like on every other diet and therefore feel like shit. Though instead of basing your opinion on anecdotes, you should inform yourself. If done right, the vegan diet is fine for all stages of life. That is proven scientifically. Btw.: Food related-diseases are one of the leading causes of death in the US. ( obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular, liver and kidney diseases, some types of cancer, and Alzheimer's disease, mainly due to the consumption of too much animal products etc.) Further you can get protein plant-based. You dont even know that as it seems. And we arent carnivores. Wth. We are omnivores.
@@antifaschi7869 Strange, isn't it? I have also noticed that the established medical/scientific industry favor a mostly plant-based vegan diet over any other. However, I find it difficult to believe them (and their studies), given that they're the same people who prescribe pharmaceutical synthetic drugs to us and oppose or deny the efficacy of natural remedies... kind of ironic since they're all about "natural" and plant-based.
Also, too many negative testimonials of people who have adopted the vegan diet. It doesn't take a doctor to see with our very own eyes how a lot of vegans look very malnourished, skinny, and aged. There are literally compilation after compilation videos of incredibly skinny vegans promoting veganism. I'm not trying to be rude on their physical appearance but in general, they look sickly. And I know, I've heard vegans accusing other vegans of "not doing it right".. particularly from a vegan who's profile pic did not help his case ((he looked just like the others lol))
Anyway, my personal opinion is that veganism isn't entirely bad. I believe it's a good temporary detox but probably not good for the long term
@@PeaceNinja007 Well...though I could easily cut together compilations of omnivores and/or carnivores, who look sick.^^ There are many of them. It is no proof for a diet being inherently bad. There are a lot of vegan foods to chose from, which contain tons of calories. I am speaking of experience since I am a vegan and not skinny at all. For example eat 100g grams of peanuts, which are very good and you have almost 600 cals.. Add 1l of apple-juice throughout the day and you covered already about half of what an average person needs p/d with only these two things. 🙃 Just a quick example to show how easy it actually is to get enough calories.
There are no important nutrients, which you cant get on a plant-based diet. F.e. supplementing Vitamin B12, which is made by bacteria, is recommended. (we live in a steril world) Though omnivores can have a deficiency for various reasons too btw.. Also you should take Vitamin D depending on where you live, because it mainly comes through the sun.(f.e. during the winter) Therefore it applies for everyone.
Lots of the language used by the twins suggests that the psychological element would be:
Vegan = placebo
Control = nocebo
The interviewer’s questions aligned with expectations that the vegan diet would be superior and the twins clearly primed with media that focused on performance benefits of a plant-based diet. As a plant-based athlete myself, I am sympathetic with this, but from the perspective of generating evidence for either diet it is garbage. Placebo/nocebo effects swamp most treatments in sports nutrition because of the powerful influence of confidence and stress in athletic adaptation.
You're right. Scientifically this proved nothing.
Having coffee and sugar in the morning is not a meat eater diet, and yes your energy will spike and then plummet down. Not a fair comparison.
The meat guy has eye bags, looks much older when the vegan guy is all glowing: no word is even needed, we can see the good inside showing out!
This is bad science. Eating meat along with sugar and carbs is asking to be unhealthy. This would have been a great experiment if it was vegan VS a low carb diet. I eat red meat, bacon, eggs, pork, and low carb veggies and lost 60 lbs. The pasta and sugar is killing us. I'm 6' 3 and 180lbs now.
losing weight is healthy, but not a metric for a healthy diet. you can lose weight with almost any diet like fruitarian, carnivore or juices diet. doesnt make the diet longterm healthy and sustainable.
Yeah, not vegan. It’s great health-wise that they are going to focus on eating more plants and maybe foregoing animal products for some meals but that is not a vegan diet. You can’t mix a vegan diet and a meat diet. That’s ridiculous! It’s either vegan or it’s not. Veganism isn’t about how many plants you eat, it’s about the animals.
no it isnt - its a diet in the dictionary.
@Rosa H Indeed, I totally agree, they should define themself "plant based" at best.
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T Even if we accepted the dictionary definition as true and comprehensive, you still cannot mix a vegan diet and a non vegan diet. A vegan diet is defined by the exclusion of animal products. As soon as you introduce animal products to it, there is nothing vegan about it.
T actually that’s incorrect! Donald Watson coined the term in the 1940’s and founded the Vegan Society. It’s purpose was and is to prevent and cease to participate in as far as is possible the suffering and slaughter of non human animals. Plant based and even vegetarian is a diet, vegan is and continues to be about the animals.
Did Ross also drink coffee, tea, sugar, biscuits? processed foods? wheat? grains?
Pity it wasn't vegan vs carnivore. More importantly, no questions about Greenland and how they felt just "eating whale?" Why do so many (all) comparisons look at vegan vs something that contains meat and go on to emphasise the meat? Is this vegan science?
Carnivore vs vegan would be the correct experiment. So we are being told that the twin with more muscle mass had the same performance as the twin with less. Cool, now I guess we can get rid of weight classes in sports.
No joke, my identical twin sis went vegan for a couple of months (I didn’t) and she developed a Vitiman D deficiency. She is no longer vegan.
Spread the word about this as much as you can!😀🥀
This is almost criminally misleading.
why?
@@gioiamihuc1894 Because they called him a "meat-eater". That's not how science works. Veganism = Only plants. Therefore, "meat-eater" should be only meat. You can't just claim "Veganism is healthier than a standard american diet and therefore it is the best diet".
@@bowtiedreynard9167 Also, everyone knows the standard american diet is horrendous. Any diet is basically better than the standard american diet.
@@RandyGleason exactly where does it say they were eating a SAD? Not everyone lives in America you know and eats junk food.
@@snazzycracker2 my response is strictly for the comment above mine, not the video.
14:40 "...we`re gonna put links to all of those in the episode notes..." please do this
www.plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/identical-twins-discuss-experiences-comparing-vegan-omni-diets?RUclips_community&RUclips
Fascinating to hear Hugo's story about his neck and how a vegan diet has helped him with pain. My neck was broken 12 years ago and my back aches after exertion, or even walking around too much or standing for too long. Great to hear this. I wonder if he added any particular foods, or if the diet as a whole effected the change?
I would suggest green smoothies such as what Dr. Brooke Goldner recommends.
Rose Viola the plant based diet will reduce any inflammation from all over your body. Eat well and your body will heal itself. Cut out calorie rich and processed foods and within no time you will feel the benefits.
@@savedbygrace1582 Thank you! I'm starting to add green smoothies. Not quite as green as Brooke Goldner recommends yet but that's definitely my goal.
@@donwetherell8738 Thank you! I'm nearly there but do sometimes eat processed food, or sub-optimal foods like white sourdough bread or white rice. I think those relatively small infractions are having a bigger impact on my body than I thought, though, and I need to go all-in. About 80-90% of my diet is WFPB. I thought that would be enough to help with pain and other issues but it isn't for me.
@@Equinox1.5 Go 100% whole food plant based. You need an anti-inflammatory diet.
If anyone’s wondering, the guy on the right in the thumbnail (left in the video) was the meat eater.
If diet is strictly the only thing you're looking at, veganism is the healthiest period. It's already been scientifically proven. That doesn't mean however, that you can't lead a generally healthy lifestyle consuming meat, so long as your diet is balanced with whole foods and sugar/processed foods are limited or cut completely and you don't have significant health issues/dietary restrictions. This video missed a huge opportunity to compare two balanced diets with one containing meat and the other being strictly vegan. Comparing tests between the two, as well as before and after pics would've been largely helpful. If there's a way to make that happen with a set of twins, I think that would be incredibly insightful for more people.
They look like they would be sons of Matthew McConaughey! Handsome!
this was my first thought, too -- they look like MM's kids.
I noticed that resemblance to Matthew McConaughey too.
Pity it wasn't vegan vs keto, where the sugar spike is also ruled out, that would have been more telling.
A meat only diet is a ketogenic diet
@@jamie5mauser He said he ate chocolate and biscuits (coookies). That's not meat only.
@@jamie5mauser NO. Ketogenic is NOT a meat only diet.
Classic macro proportions of daily food intake look like this:
70% good fats + 25% good proteins + 5% veggie carbs.
No sugars, no starchy potatoes, no artificial sweeteners, either.
There are some slight variations on those proportions, but that’s the gist.
A meat-only diet is even wrong on the Adkins diet.
I really tried sticking with the the keto diet, but I just felt awful and it's also really hard to follow. I then tried the Agoge diet and it was life changing, I highly recommend it to everyone.
@Henry Culbertson What is the Agoge diet?
I could tell right away which one looked like he had been the vegan... even from his face, he just looks brighter and in better shape
He glowed..l knew
Just as a reminder: veganism is an ethical choice, not a diet. If you, for example, purchase leather, it would be be vegan. Plant based is a better dietary term.
12 weeks does not demonstrate anything. Vegan diet great to cleanse body if done correctly. But a 5 year experiment would show much different results.
It sounded like it was meat only, but then you said adding carbs. Thats why the peaks and lows. Do keto and or carnivore and see how many peaks and lows you have?
Search Dr. Sten Ekberg on RUclips. Debunks most of the vegan only claims.
loosing same weight on two different diets is one thing, but eating healthy is on another level. Would be good to see a comparison of both blood results before and after.
I am an identical twin. My brother eats anything he likes where I went carnivore 6 months ago, because of health reasons. And the difference between us is staggering, I would love for him to try vegan for a 6 months and compare our results. He his 5'7 ", 13half stone, im also 5'7 ", and I'm now weighing 10'4.
I know many Adventist Vegans. When I came across a community of Them I became a believer in Vegan eating.They look much younger and are much Healthier at their ripe old age then any meat eaters that I know.I know 80 plus year olds that out work 40 year olds and look at least 20 years younger.I know 60 year old Vegans that have no wrinkles on their face.Since I went vegan I have way more energy.My body is definitely more clean than when I ate meat.
It would be nice to compare Vegan vs Keto (Atkins). I lose weight and get more energy with Atkins. When I tried vegan I had less energy and more depressed.
The very definition of asking leading questions.
Pointless experiment - if the meat eater is still eating junk food like biscuits and chocolate then blaming the meat for feeling bad🙄 it should have been vegan v carnivore...
Also 12 weeks does not reflect the fact that veganism is detrimental long term it takes years to deplete your nutritional reserves.
Truth!
What evidence do you have that veganism is detrimental long-term & drains your nutritional reserves?
I knew a woman with cancer who put her on a vegan diet, began to lose weight, deteriorate and after a year of the change she passed away
A lot of people seem to find positives when switching to any kind of diet. 12 weeks definitely isn't going to tell you how a diet will turn out in the long run, years later.
Now you both can go and get blood tests done specifically checking all interleukin inflammatory markers, Lp-PLA2, HS-CRP, TNF-Alpha, OxLDL, MPO, CardioIQ Panel, CBC, and CMP for starters. I bet any money that the plant based diet will show significant better blood test results vs the meat diet. How do I know? Because I'm a health professional with nearly 27 years in the business with a specialty in functional medicine and I've seen countless blood test results from meat eaters and plant based dieters and plant based always comes out on top! Not trying to debate because I do eat meat myself, but I just limit red meat. What I state is fact based on my own experience and if you want to debate because you grill a ton of red meat then go do the blood tests I have outlined, especially if you are over 40 and you will see for yourself. Younger guys under 40 can get away with eating rocks if they want, but as you get older the body starts to break down and health problems arise starting with hidden inflammation and then symptoms, and then disease. Catch it early by doing the blood tests I mentioned because only 2% of physicians will check what I have outlined and most people won't do anything until symptoms appear or they have a heart attack and by that time it could be too late. Good luck!
Did you separate your anecdotes of meat eaters who didn't eat the junk and garbage standard American diet from those who did?
@@johnc.8298 Of course. People who ate meat with bad carbs, sugars, etc. had worse blood profiles and in worse overall health. Those who ate plant based diet also had issues as well as those who ate all meat (carnivore). People who were extremely overweight did very well for the first couple of years following a ketogenic diet. They dropped a significant amount of body fat and their entire blood markers improved across the board. However, some of those people had issues with inflammation and we had to change up their diet. The meat is not as much a problem as the source. Is it grass fed, no hormones, preparation during packaging, how it's prepared before cooking, how it's cooked, etc. all play a role in oxidative stress. Most people have no clue where to start and that's a huge problem. I've also had vegans that ate dairy, gluten, potato, breads, etc. and they were overly fat compared to muscle. Some had full blown diabetes. A lot to this, but in my professional opinion most people who are serious about their health should consult with a professional to get a diet and exercise program that is tailored to fit them based on their blood tests, DNA, health issues, etc.. This is truly the only way to get the best results when it comes to you.
@@Total_Body_Fitness_USA Thanks for the time you took to write such a well detailed message. Your approach is of course sensible, how could it not be? It's difficult to separate one variable from a host of variables. The one point many people make, keto, vegan, etc. alike is that the Standard American Diet is the worst of all and any "diet" seems to be an improvement. Cutting out the junk and processed food industry "food" is the best start. Thx. again, J.
@@johnc.8298 Yes, any diet is an improvement over eating a bunch of processed junk foods high in sugar and bad fats/carbs. Good fats are not a problem as long as you don't combine them with bad carbs, sugars, etc.. Doing this causes a significant increase in triglycerides and weight gain in the form of body fat. Also causes insulin resistance and a lot of other health issues long term. Some people need to be careful with the amount of fat they eat regardless of type because they have a genetically elevated Lp(a) and they need to do everything they can to decrease total LDL. Some people can eat all the fat they want and their LDL never changes or sometimes it decreases. However, is some people a high fat diet significantly increases LDL which for the most part is not a bad thing considering the triglycerides are below 100 and the HDL is preferably above 50, AND they don't have a genetically elevated Lp(a). This is why it's so important for people to do blood testing to get a baseline. Go on their diet and then check blood again in 90 days to see the changes. Most people don't do this and they end up in trouble down the road. Take care!
The vegan brother needed to get a tan to disguise his pale death look.
That was great. Hopefully they will always eat vegan 100% when the option arises 👏🏼👏🏼
I was vegan for about 20 years and I was always tired and often sich, gut pain, till 2019 when I became first paleo and then, from 2022, carnivor.
All my health problems are finished; I sleep 7/8 hours every night, I do exercise, intermittent fasting. My tyroid is going perfectly as I never had before.
The "carnivor man" doesn't eat carnivor. He eats biscuits, drink too much coffee, This is the standard American diet.
I could tell which one was vegan just from the main picture. Short term can be good especially if you eat crap most of the time. But long term, not so good.
Yeah me too.
Long-term studies on vegans show something else.