Do I Owe Vegans An Apology? New Study Review | Educational Video | Biolayne
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Right. So I can continue with my carnivore diet, so long as I choose high fiber, low saturated fat, high unsaturated fat, meat.
Is this just really good sarcasm?
Lol!
As long as you are not a couch lard behemoth, you're good to go.
Carnivore diet is as stupid as veganism. Look at your damn teeth people, they tell you what you’re made to eat.
Exactly hahaha 😅
Who would have thought that it is easier to eat more fruits and vegetables on a vegen diet?
And who would have thought you'd have healthier biomarkers in just eight weeks?
@@Joseph1NJit’s pretty expected at least LDL positive or negative changes can be seen within 3 weeks.
@@The_Legend_Himself yup.
This is definitely the Netflix Docu: You are what you eat.. Exactly my thoughts. Thanks Layne! :D
Excellent point. I heard about this study and was hoping Layne would explain it. Thanks so much
This is the official Petition for Brian to include the outtakes from now on.
Yes
Seconded
The guy liked the comment….I can die fulfilled now. 😂 RN & Trainer here. Thank you for what you do. You’ve helped shape the coaching I do. Ya da man!
Read this study last week. This is a very accurate & reasonable take.
I think they intentionally did not make the study isocaloric because satiety was part of the objective.
how does it risk safety?
@@devvyas6751 "satiety"
mah bad @@Joseph1NJ
excellent information. love the format and data
I don't think it's a mystery at this point. The healthiest diet reduces or eliminates trans fats and refined carbohydrates, limits saturated fats, salt, and calories, and emphasizes fiber, unsaturated fats, and proteins.
And it's just easier to do on a whole foods plant based diet than any other
You claimed in another post that Fish and dairy are healthy, they may be healthier than other animal products, but they are not the optimal foods compared to plant foods.
@@avinashtyagi2 plant based lacks proteins.
@@tatywork9126Lol, no it does not. Plenty of protein in plants.
@@tatywork9126 One Block of Super firm Tofu has 70 Grams of Protein
Saw this coming. I had a strong feeling that fiber and lack of saturated fat was going to play a major role in this study.
You can have a lack of saturated fat? I don't think you need any. Alpha-linolenic acid and linoleic acid are the only fats/fatty acids that are essential.
WTF are you talking about? Where did I ever say you needed saturated fat? You are using big words but have no reading comprehension skills.
Two options here, you didn't watch the video, so you took my comment out of context, or you clearly don't have the ability to comprehend what you read. smh
@@jakubchrobry3701
@@jakubchrobry3701lack of X can just mean “less of X than is expected/normal”, it doesn’t have to mean “less of X than required/wanted”
@@Al-.-ex Can you provide a source for your definition of "lack." According to Oxford, lack is "the state of being without or not having enough of something." How can you not have enough of a nutrient that's not essential?
@@jakubchrobry3701 different dictionaries disagree on whether the missing thing is required, or just wanted, or even just customary / expected. Some omit even that.
The tragedy of stupid prescriptivists is they have no smart prescriptivists to learn from.
I'm enjoying these videos around the holidays 😎
FINALLY LAYNE IS COMING BACK... Good to see u back.
I would also point out that comparing identical twins in a parallel study is not as reliable as comparing the same person in crossover as epigenetic marks will differ between twins. That being said, a crossover design doesn’t work to measure weight loss.
Been waiting for this video! Yay!
A great informative video, thanks for that❤❤❤
"Of course, I found in the study that the plant based diet had more fiber and less saturated fat than the meat containing diet."
"Of course, I found in the study that the water drinkers had more hydration and less toxicity than the alcohol drinkers"
Right. Who would have thought?
Soooo moderation is the key 🤔
And eat vegetables high in fiber like carrots, beets, and Paul Saladino’s favorite vegetable (broccoli) 🥦💚
I absolutely love and respect how much you prioritize data over feelings.
I have a lot to learn from you Layne.
Thanks for being a voice of reason here.
Great video! Thank you
So basically eat your fiber, eat less saturated fats and don't have too many calories. Shocker
Discovering fire
Thanks for the work and effort! Great educational video!
Love the outtakes! For the ALGORITHM!
The general outake from most commentators, including experts is that plantbased eaters must or practice an extra modicum of care in their diet, while making it seem like that’s unique to this diet type. Both omnivores and plant eaters must take just as much care.
To some extent, anyone can obviously eat a poor diet that's lacking in nutrients. But in general, I think eating a wider variety of foods is better than limiting yourself to one food type as far as nutrients go. There are many other potential reasons to want to cut out certain foods though that may be more important than possible vitamin deficiencies.
@@Stormie33❤😅
People should take care on all diets, but veganism even more so since malnutrition risk increases, and the number 1 reason for quitting veganism is malnutrition concerns.
Wow, what a revelation, plant based diet was higher in fiber and lower in saturated fat... That's kind of the point though, isn't it? If you're eating a lot of meat, it is harder to keep your saturated fat lower and your fiber higher than an equal or nearly equal (calorie) plant based diet.
But behind it all, fiber = bad for humans, saturated fat = good for humans. And higher cholesterol is not associated with heart disease in non-biased studies.
Read the comments in the carnivore videos to see many thousands of people who have a lived experience. Including many ex-vegans.
literally, this guy is a clown
@@stevem8318ah yes... anecdotes..the best form of evidence
Excellent review!
High key fire video, interesting study
The take away from this study is to eat more fruits & veg.
The real takeaway is don’t be dumb enough to believe a study from woke assed Stanford.
The study designer knew about the fiber and saturated fat as evidenced by the meal prep design.
If they were going to study change in fiber and saturated fat, why didn’t they randomize the omnivore group toward meat low in saturated fat? Maybe even sashimi, alcohol, dark chocolate?
I didn't know alcohol and dark chocolate were meats...
The study designer also knew for actual scientific evidence, you’d have to feed both groups either “clean diet” or “dirty diet, instead of feeding the group you want to show as more healthy a clean diet and the group you want to show as less healthy a dirty diet. The difference in diet cleanliness is likely the difference in the findings. It’s absolutely disgusting that none of the content creators seem to want to mention this point, being that it basically invalidates the entire study.
@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 I believe the study also had scientists funded by beyond meat, which gives some incentive as to why they biased it against the omnivore group. Also the fruit and vegetable recommendations for the omnivore group was ridiculously low, like half the servings usually recommended.
As someone that’s been plant based for over a decade, I really appreciate you keeping the evangelicals in line with these reviews. I just know I’m going to see some dogmatic vegans touting this study as the ultimate proof that there’s only one optimal diet.
Whole foods plant based is superior, I'm losing a ton of weight without ever counting a single calorie, and I never feel like I'm starving, it's like having cheat codes.
Why do you think a diet being optimal is more important than being ethical?
If eating humans was the most optimal diet, would you adopt it?
@@Nanashi-sz6wc
Optional and optimal doesn’t mean the same thing
Also eating cows or chickens doesn’t equate to eating humans
@@C0d0ps That was a typo, I meant to say optimal in both instances.
I never said they were the same thing, or equated them.
Could you answer the question?
@@Nanashi-sz6wc
Animals eat animals...
When a lion kills a wildebeest it's far often more slowly and horrific then when a butcher kills an animal.
Have you ever seen a polar bear slaughter a seal?
Some animals are cannibalistic...
A praying mantis eats her partner after mating...
Some animals even seem to enjoy maiming other animals
Ever seen a chimpanzee ripping a monkey to pieces?
Some animals eat their own newborn babies...
Hamsters do this...
So what/who's ethics?
Definitely not nature's...
Plants and trees provide us with oxygen.... So, it seems a bit silly to eat those, right?
Or use wood as a building resource.
Also, maybe plants have feelings too... :P
Again, what/who's ethics?
Definitely not nature's...
It's fine that people decide for themselves to make a certain choice. Just don't push that personal view onto others and/or shame/blame them for choosing differently.
*That* is quite unethical.
great explanation
Layne, I don't know if you will see this but I have been watching your videos for years and I am genuinely curious, I have genetic high cholesterol and I think I am hitting all the keys you mentioned to keep cholesterol low... but my question is I am having a hard time finding consistent information with some of the qualifiers, for example what qualifies and enough fiber, how much saturated fat is considered low, how much polyunsaturated fats and fiber would be considered high enough to offset harmful effects. Thanks
There really isn't a number that would allow for you to have an inextricable understanding of how much is too much and how little is too little. There's a lot of variances that goes into stuff like this. I would start with a number and go from there. Keep in contact with your doctor and make sure they're on the same page with your experimentations as well.
The American Heart Association recommends less than 10% of one's calories from saturated fat. So if you eat 2000 cal, the upper limit would be 20 gram per day. Recommendations for fiber is: at least 25 grams. In general more fiber is usually better (as long as you don't have gut problems). Also if you are used to very low fiber, build up slowly, so that you give your micobiota time to develop.
I feel like I have heard layne say that fiber should be 15grams per 1000 calories so 30 grams for a 2000 calorie day. I don't know about cholesterol.
What you are describing is familial hypercholesterolemia. There really isn't a dietary answer for that, unfortunately. Your body produces extra cholesterol. All you can really do is watch for signs of CVD. Optimize your diet, sure, but you will never really be able to get your cholesterol to "healthy" levels, as described in lipid panel data.
@@BaresarkSlayneThat sounds a bit depressing. Are you sure that a light statin, or other Lp(a)- and apoB-lowering drugs, would not help?
Dr Layne, fiber intake is a negative correlated indicator for LDL. Eat more fiber less LDL to a certain level. I wonder if fiber supplements would have as much benefit or is fiber intake correlated with vegetables and fruit intake and that's the real deal.
I believe there are studies looking at psyllium husk fibre supplementation showing LDL decrease. But a supplement is a supplement stick to whole foods as a primary source and a supplement as extra insurance.
Those take aways are great perimeters for me. Heart disease runs in my family. I track my eating. What do you recommend for Pattern B LDL?
Looks like this study supports if you eat a more plant based diet you are more satiated, have more fiber, less saturated fat and this provides health benefits. If you on an omnivore diet you must be cautious on the type of meat, the way you cook it and the quantity making sure you have a well rounded diet still beneficial to eat a majority plant based diet. This should bring awareness to the need for more whole food plants in everyone's diet.
Damn you, confounding variables!
Also question, wouldn't being a calorie deficit means your body "empties" so there's just less overall to raise cholesterol? As in if they were eating same diet but low cal, would it still affect cholesterol?
That's a intuition, but really not.
Yeah, I think they intentionally did not the study isocaloric because satiety was part of the objective.
Just watched the Netflix documentary about this study ("You Are What You Eat") yesterday, and found it fascinating.
Really appreciate this video for the commentary and clarification. 🙏
Thank you
Why primal diet promoters don't say that hunter guatharer tribes like hadza eat 100g to 150g of fibre per day and much less saturated fat and dietary fat and sodium than average modern diet
Because they're meatheads?
Cause meat is manly. Hunting is manly. They have the image of a big muscular primitive man single handedly taking down mammoths with primitive tech, so they look up to it. It's an image of strength and manliness which hampers their ability to consider contrary information.
Good analysis
Vegetables are good. Seems like we all need to eat more of them.
Lean meat is amazing. We need to stop vilifying it.
Non-GMO / Organic Veggies & Fruits, Grains, Beans, Roots.
Great study! What would be the best palatable fiber sources with low sugar? Thanks!
Whole grains and legumes
Literally all plants that people typically eat. Only ultra processed foods have no fiber and high sugar, and only animal products have no fiber. So in short : eat mostly whole foods plant based, avoid the junk food and animal products, don't be overweight and you'll be great.
@@mitkoogrozev Avoiding animal products has nothing to do with a high fiber diet, and not all plants people eat contain fiber. There is no reason an omnivore cannot have high fiber either.
To @nunoneiva555, the easiest way is a fiber supplement, but you really should be eating a lot of fibrous pants as part of a healthy balanced diet. Fortified foods can help also.
@@Teo_live It has everything to do with it, because eating is a zero sum game. You cannot eat a lot of plants and a lot of animal products at the same time. Then the word "a lot" doesn't make any sense.
If you need 2K calories per day, if you eat a lot of animal products (like lets say over 60-80% of your calories) then NECESSARILY you eat LESS of something else (plants in our comparison) . When you increase the plant intake, that necessarily means you REDUCE something else you've been eating.
Also what the fuck are you on about? All plants have fiber, that's literally a defining feature.
@@mitkoogrozev Your first paragraph is false. Even eating 1-2lbs meat/day (so a "lot") that is like only 80% dedicated to plants will give me an absurdly high amount of plants and I could easily double or even triple the recommended intake.
Also some blue-zone diets eat a lot of animal products and easily maintain high plants. So no matter how you spin your argument it doesn't work. Yes some meat means less plants, but you can still eat a metric crapton of plaints even with just a mere 2k caloric window.
Finally calm down zealot, yes all plants have fiber but some have negligible amounts. Not that it matters to this topic since any omnivore diet can easily have plenty of plant foods and fiber.
More great info from Layne! Let's get that fiber!!!
who is fiber
Does it matter what type of fibre is consumed - soluble or insoluble that improves health markers?
Don't overthink it, you can't select those, so just think of it on the level of foods. It's just about : eating more plants (whole foods, minimally or not processed) = better, eating less = worse.
Quality info.
Well saturated fat is a component of meat. You can of course keep it low(er) by your choice of meat.
Nice one as always! FTA!
Yes
Great content and explanation as always. It's great that you're a Ph.D. and bring it to us in normal words - and aren't stuffy, but dynamic!
0:37 You said Randomized control trial way to calm. And where are the strong hand movements?
Excellent Evaluation . Thank you sir you got me to subscribe. #eatlessforearth
Is there a study looking at effect of saturated fat with high fiber diet?
I think it shows that for people who dont pay attention to what they eat, any effort to eat less processed food, more fibre etc is good for you. Veganism is a popular way to do that is no doubt better then the standard american diet. But so are many other diets.
is it possible to do a factor analysis and eliminate the effects of satirated fat and fiber on the diet?
I saw another study did that a while ago. The plant-only group had no benefit to the omnivore group health wise, while the omnivore had benefits to the plant-only group nutrition wise. So omnivore is still better when saturated fats, calories and fiber are equated for it seems.
@@Teo_live thanks
The problem is if you eat a really large amount of meat, you will consume a lot of saturated fat and it could be exceedinly difficult to offset it by enough plant food with fiber. I tried and it didn't work for me. Had to almost completely eliminate meat to keep my LDL in check
Carbon Diet Coach, I am a CKD patient with doctor prescribed protein-restriction and also a strict Cannibal, what do?
What do you mean by”strict canninal”? (I’m an RD who worked with CKD clients most of my career)
@@lynnmunson564 I corrected it, I meant strict cannibal. Thank youuuu
LOL!
Doesn’t meat increase LDL? So it does have inherent risks versus protein from plants.
It does. The presenter was just coping since he really likes his meat. Thus why he tries to re-interpret everything to fit his bias.
Saturated fat does. You can get leaner pieces of meat. Everyone seems to pretend all meat is the same when it's not. Get turkey breast if fat worries you.
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans even lean increases ldl
@@jaymills1720 Cite that because that's essentially implying protein increases LDL, which makes zero sense.
Check PMID: 15927927
He said there was nothing inherently wrong with meat but then says saturated fat is bad. I’m confused
Strange reasoning. You say there is nothing inherent to meat that makes it less healthy, yet meat inherently has saturated fat and no fiber, the very things that seem to make a difference in this study, and others.
Exactly. When you substitute animal protein for plant protein, you naturally eat more fiber and less saturated fat. It's a no-brainer. Trying to dissociate it is delusional.
@@davisantos3431 It gets dissociated since there is no reason someone eating meat can't get enough (or even excessive) fiber unless they are full-on carnivore. Any diet with a sufficient amount of plants will do this, and you don't need to eat nothing but plants to achieve it.
One of the big points in the series is that animal agriculture is bad for the planet. You have not mentioned this at all in your video. If you are going to eat meat and if you care for the future of the planet, then you should know where your meat and fish come from! Factory farming is unsustainable. A person can eat meat but obviously eating less is better for the person and the planet.
@@canadagirl2742 probably because this a channel on nutrition and not climate change science.
BTW animal agriculture is not that bad for the environment compared to total GHG as a whole. GHGs due to beef agriculture is like 3% of total GHGs. Total agriculture GHG emissions is around 7%. Beef is the largest thing on there, but you're better off helping us increase political will to have governments put everyone on affordable renewable electricity and affordable electric vehicles.
Not eating meat is mere pennies of environmental sustainability whereas energy production and transportation is really the elephant in the room when it comes to climate change.
Eat leaner meats and more plants. Not hard to figure that out.
What would be a daily limit for saturated fat, is it a % of your total fat intake?
I don't remember the % , but in terms of weight it was around 10-20 grams per day.
If I recall correctly it's typically recommended to go under 10% of total calories from SF or under 7% if that isn't enough to get your lipids to healthy levels.
Funny how you suggest omnivores have to be more diligent with their diet yet that's all vegans ever hear from dieticians and nutritionists. I've always said one has to make healthy choices no matter what eating program one follows.
8:08: meat has large amounts of saturated fat and is devoid of fiber.
Get leaner meat and eat more fiber, genius. Fish is mostly unsaturated fat as well.
So, now all we need is meat with fibre and pufa which is devoid of saturated fat.
That was an amazing study. Man being a proponent of vegetarian i would love to use this study to show people that vegetarian is better BUT being abit more science-based, the truth is eating more fiber, and reducing saturated fats, more fruit and vegetables vary protein sources, have adequate activity and your health will be great!
Interesting that LDL is still a "problem thing" thought we were over it.
Oh, so when you eat fiber (plants) and replace saturated with unsaturated fat (plants) then things get better. Bro? What are you even trying to prove lol
Great!
Is it coincidence that the ad leading to this video was for a "stud finder?" I don't think so 🤣🤣
Now what about all the carnivore docs out there saying fiber isnt important but rather harmful (as it's a waste product) and that the cholesterol hypothesis of heart disease is incorrect (this is coming from a plant based person haha)
Non-GMO / Organic Veggies & Fruits, Grains, Beans, Roots.
I'm not sold that the outcome was based on higher fiber and lower saturated fat. I've been on healthy keto for over a year with my husband eating meat (including lots of red meat and chicken skin) and fish twice daily along with a ton of veggies. I also consume other saturated fats from coconut on a regular basis. Our markers including LDL have lowered tremendously.
What we are not eating is eggs or dairy.
So in my opinion it is not the meat but maybe the dairy and or eggs that raise LDL and as long as you are metabolically healthy and other markers such as ApoB are good, higher LDL is not a prediction of heart disease. As always they left out other important factors and only focused on a narrow minded marker.
What are your preferred sources of fibre on a low carb diet?
Low carb is bullshit.
Vegetables don't have many calories. You can just eat those.
@@alelzarterl212 I mistyped - I meant low carb.
Don't go low carb, it messes with your insulin and ability to eat carbs. You should just be ''low on refined sugar and highly processed junk foods.'' Beans and legumes for example are a huge source of carbs, but people that eat them live 5-8 years longer than those that don't. Most plants are high on carbs in general, but not sugar, and yet you'll have the best health and live the longest if you eat mostly wholefood plants .
That's one of the biggest mistake new people make when they get into the low carb stuff. They don't differentiate between refined sugar and carbs. Refined sugar is a type of carb, but most carbs are not sugar. And most natural sources of sugar are locked in a cell structure, containing many vitamins , minerals and fiber, so they don't have the same effect as refined sugar.
@@mitkoogrozev you got references to this? "Messes with your insulin"? I'm diabetic- my insulin is already messed, and low carb keeps my sugar in check.
So much nuance between health plant pure and healthy plant predominant (omnivore). But without even needing to read the study, the bottom line is that if one goes from what was presumably the average CRRAHP-SAD (CRRAHP=calorie rich, refined and highly processed) diet to a study diet and had no changes in biomarkers, the MEANINGFUL differences (saturated fat, fiber, PUFAs, calories and yes, wait for it, dietary cholesterol-let alone important micronutrients like sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium) between pre-study diets of the omnivore group and what they ate during the study comes into serious question.
Great video, as usual 👍🏽
Funny how loss of bodyweight/bodyfat is argued to be a confounder which invalidates the result of this study, but in keto resistance training studies its not considered a confounder and the sub par hypertrophy is instead explained by the magical properties of keto.
Keto is snake oil. This study is invalid for a plethora of reasons.
Something tells me you don’t understand as much as you think you do.
So if you are an omnivore you should probably keep it to less than 5% of calories. How many omnivores do that?
So the calorie deficit was the first bias that a quality study would have accounted for. Second you did mention anything in the study about overall lifestyles. Was one twin a drinker, a smoker an exerciser etc. Thirdly you did not mention who funded this study. Conformation bias, pulication bias, funding bias etc can make a study say whatever you want and this can all be determined before the study even starts.
Thanks for your summary of this really interesting study. Much appreciated. I was a bit bothered though that you showed the figures and tables only for one second or so. It was really impossible to grasp the information.
Pause button
Check the description, read the study
@@lucianmedwigif you read the study, you’d be talking about how flawed it is, and how obviously they were specifically looking for what they magically found.
@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 i never said the study was good
Nice 👍..Cool T shirt though...
Gonna have to check this manuscript out. Hoping the investigators described their power analysis.
just goes to show that more PUFA and fiber displacing SFA is beneficial regardless of your dietary regimen.
For the algorithm 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
How did the end recommendation from Layton, when we are about reducing saturated fats and increasing fiber.. always end up on a protein speach. Stop with pushing protein... people eat way too much of it and yet they keep hearing they need more. It is rediculous.
@@PaulC-xv4zr the minium intake is 50 to 60 grams... the average peson eats 80-100 grams in modern society... You are poor at math.. though you would probably conclude it is because of protein deficiency. If you really believe protein shortage is a problem... you haven't read any proper science on it but are just parroting some protein shake selling fitness bro... Too much protein shortens lifespan.
But I will not argue with you... the "protein shortage" camp are so far up the diary and beef industry their arse you cannot seem to make sense of actual proper scientific sources and bullshit. bye
For the algorithm
FOR THE ALGORITHM
I am all 4 it.
Algorithm!
I dont understand why they went the extra mile to get twins for the study, but didnt control for fiber and calories. It seems like such a large miss in the design.
Like, if the purpose was just to see what the results would be of naturally following each diet, then why get twins? I dont get it.
Because it's a diet study, not isolated ingredients study. It would be like isolating saturated fat for animal products. No, it's part of the thing, and you eat it in a normal diet. You don't exclude it in your results. Just like fiber is an inseparable part of plant foods. The study tests real life actual ways people will eat, and that's what affects their health in practice.
Same for the calories. Plant foods in general naturally control your calorie intake and it's harder to overeat , and that's how most people eat. They don't track anything, they go by taste and hunger. And whole foods plant based diets can automatically keep you at healthier weight on average. While others, not so much.
@mitkoogrozev I think you're missing my point. Im not saying to exclude anything. Im saying they should have controlled for fiber, macros, and calories in both groups as best as possible.
If diet is what they wanted to test for, then why go through the trouble of getting twins? The point of getting twins is to take the variable of genetics out, or rather, match/control the genetics. Since they went as far to control for genetics, they clearly wanted to see the health results strictly from the diet. So why not control the dietary variables as well?
If they only cared about how things would turn out naturally, for a person who isn't tracking, then they could have just used any person.
@Atypical_Chad how exactly do you control fiber intake in a plant based diet if most plant foods are high in fiber? Only refined carbs and fats don't have fiber. If you were to equate the intake of every nutrient this study would make absolutely no sense. YOU are the one missing the point, because the study was meant to evaluate the outcomes of the healthiest possible versions of a plant based and omnivorous diets. The whole point is that the nutrients will be different.
@davisantos3431 You add more low calorie, fiber dense foods to the omnivorous diet, as the healthiest version should be high in fiber regardless.
Again, the question is, why match genetics then? Did we need twins to tell us what the differences in nutrients would be? No. So I doubt that wad the primary focus.
The only thing I can think of is that they didn't want to do a crossover trial, but I would imagine the results would be very similar.
Well you can be omnivorous and still eat plenty of lentils of meals. Wouldnt that be ideal ?
@trifecta where you at?
algo
Who eats this much saturated fat?!?! 23% of calories? Wtf? I never exceed 10% unless I’m eating pizza or something.
This is a misunderstanding. The 20% is from the fats profile as in 20% saturated fats, 35% polyunsaturated fats and 45% monounsaturated fats.
Vegans consumed 36% of calories from fats and omnivores 39% of calories from fats overall.
This would put for omnivores something like 31% of 39% of calories which is around 12% of calories from saturated fats, while vegans consumed 23% of 36% of calories, that is around 9% of calories from saturated fats.
I do. Actually a lot more than that. Still ripped af.
So we need to redo the study where saturated fat, polyunsaturated fat, and fiber are equalized.
That’s really hard to do and also match calories. Because all plant food has fibre. Very few have much saturated fat. And no animal products have fibre and have high or at least a non negligible amount of saturated fat. You really can’t get everything to be equal
So, a WFPB diet isn’t a silver bullet, it’s just that it has fewer calories, less saturated fat, and more fiber. Pretty much why folks go WFPB. I’m not sure how you don’t see that you’re making their point for them… 🤷♂️😂
Right? Diabetes, obesity, heart disease. Some of the leading causes of death and wfpb is better at preventing all of those, but people will still refuse to admit that it's better.
ANY diet has fewer calories if someone wants it to. Even a diet of Icecream and donuts could have less calories. The participants chose to eat less calories, probably through satiation but any restrictive diet provides more satiation. Not to mention this is was a gardener study (beyond meat funds them).
On a side note I really hate the term "WFPB" since it often piggybacks veganism with omnivore success. Mediterranean, vegetarian, pescatarian, some Japanese diets and even up to 20% animal diets (so my damn diet) all fall under the "WFPB" umbrella. So yeah it is a silver bullet when it is so vague it literally means any diet with a decent amount of plants.
Do we actually need fibre tho? Carnivore works best for me
Its essential for gut microbiome health , and by extension your immune system/overall health , since 80-90% of the genes that regulate the immune system are not our own genes, but the genes of the gut bacteria. There's other nutrients that are also important present in plants, but not present or deficient in meat. Like lets say folate. If you eat only carnivore while pregnant for example, your baby might be born with neural tube defects, so your baby might get born with missing brain parts, or it's spinal cord can stick out of the bones.
In general carnivore only works in the short term due to removing junk from diet, but not that the diet itself is any good. You'll be best off eating eat least 95% whole food plant based. All the longest living and healthiest populations on Earth , who were found by examining all people on the planet, eat or have eaten like that (some of those populations now have almost disappeared due to the spreading of meat and western diets, so they are losing their status as the healthiest people) .
@@mitkoogrozev 😂😂😂 what d fk is this nonsense
@@VIRTUSK can you be more specific? Which part is confusing?
This guy just said he is carnivore so use 1st grade reading level @@mitkoogrozev
@@mitkoogrozev The _"at least 95% plant"_ part was nonsense. The evidence that "plant-based" populations (blue-zone) ate such a high level is near zero unless you cherrypick times of war (like the 2% okinawa lie). They ate a a considerable amount of seafoods, paltry, and depending on area either dairy and/or red meat to a lesser extent. Vegans try spin this as being westerners influencing them to eat more animal nowadays, but it simply is denial that they have always eaten a decent amount of animal foods.
For the algorithm!
You're never going to be able to match the fiber and types of fats as with the whole food plant based diet. I'll say that as I'm about to eat some tuna and cheese with some veggies. I'll eat omnivorous while it's convenient for me, but I'm not under the illusion it's healthier than a whole food plant based diet. It's okay to admit you're not eating the best diet, but you're happy with that. If you won't adhere to a WFPB diet because you can't then it won't be best for you, and you have to pick certain foods to make sure you get all the nutrients you need. It's not a diet for people who don't enjoy research, unless someone tells you exactly what to eat.
Great video, and no one should expect an apology. Just the facts. Plant based carbon diet crew💚💚💚💚
ALGO
I'm all about algorithms 😎
As Omar Isuf (used to) say: "Eat your vegetables, eat your vegetables, eat your f**king vegetables!"
At least they disclosed that one of the lead authors has received money from fake meat. I know it's more expensive, but given that we know LDL-C is a poor marker, why can't they measure LDL-P and ApoB?
I'm proud to say that despite the headline, I knew a fiber plug was coming and I'm here for it. Shoutout to 35g of fiber a day and being regular AF. #LogGang
I’m jealous.
#ibsgang
I eat 90 grams of fiber a day@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830
Algorithm boost!
I don't understand your conclusion. The point is that a whole-food plant-based diet is naturally high in fiber and low in saturated fat. So, it *is* superior to an omnivorous diet in this regard.
In practice, not in theory.
He can't say that because he would lose subscribers. He won't even say to stay away from beef.
If you ignore protein and muscle synthesis. Yes.
@@russell3038 Why would you ignore protein and muscle synthesis? I'm not sure what that has to do with eating plants.
@@jakubchrobry3701 harder to get enough protein (not impossible!) and also animal protein has a more effective amino acid stack)