Sensor War: The Best Opticals (3310, 3989 and 3366)
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- There are a lot of mice coming out with the 3360 sensor, which is great, but let's not hype too much. Here's a video showing how the top sensors perform in some of the tests that I use in mouse reviews.
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How the heck do you only have 18,000 subs. You deserve so much more man. Keep up the good work!
hes been growing pretty fast lately, dont forget to like them videos!
yeah if you compare his videos to the always cringy Austin Evans, it's weird to know that one has 18000 subs and one has around 1.5 million...
Tullebukk ugh i hate that guy hes so annoying. "hey guys austin here" every single damn video.
his outro is way worse tho "And I'll catch you in the next one" with such a fake tone to it, bahhh
...yeah, he should say 'hey guys Masterninjahh here' instead
Happy Anniversary for your RUclips Channel, RJN! You deserved much more subscribers and views because your videos are great!
Thanks Roy!
I agree with you. I have the Deathadder Chroma not because im a fanboy but because I love the shape and feel of it.
REIGN yes but it has bad build quality, many people had problems with DA . schroll wheel quickly broke
Over 50% pro fps players use Zowie mouses which use 3310 sensor, that means that difference between these sensors is so small that even they dont notice it, which means that it's all about a shape and weight of the mouse.
thruth as been spoken
3310 is actually a laser sensor unlike the other ones, the base for a 3310 is a pixart 9800 laser sensor, the 3310 uses most of the similar stuff except for accelaration but the 9800 can be made 100% no accel, like on the sensei mlg edition.
Emanuel Cardoso I call that bs.
+Aymaan Ann Nur
3310 isn't laser.
Optical.
Google.
3310 is not a laser sensor, what are you on about?
u r my go to mouse and pad reviewer good straight to the point vids
This is definately true that you should focus more on the shape when picking a mouse. I've been using around 50 gaming mice myself and came to same conclusion as you
also I agree with you with the human test why do we need to use aachina to test the perfect sensor just use it yourself and see which do you think is comfortable for you
RUclips unsubbed me from you, thank god I saw it and re subbed
Yeah I lost 1000! Welcome back!
RUclips recently had a subscriber purge to remove "bot accounts", many other youtubers suffered from them too
+Rocket Jump Ninja did u ever implement that automatic hand measurur for your site lol. Back when you first created your site I asked is their an easy way to measure my hand. Xd
SmashBomb Automatic hand measure? Don't think so! I did include a find-a-mouse feature though so you can check what mice could suit your hand size.
There's a video about how to choose a mouse too, that shows how to measure the hand.
I just ordered my Zowie FK1 today since my hand from middle finger to palm is 22cm. I am looking forward to it! XD Thanks to all of your reviews it allowed me to pin exactly what I want and need.
It would be interesting to see you review the FK again when its refreshed with the 3360 so you can test them in perfect conditions. Shape and implementation will change sensor feel so once you have two exactly identical mice with the different sensors we should finally be able to put the 3310 vs 3360 stuff to rest and see if there's actually any difference.
Zy, cheers for helping me with my analysis paralysis over which mouse to get. I opted for the G303 in the end as I have about the same hand size as you, so far so good, you were bang on mate, the wheel is a bit clunky but I'll live. And per your recommendation I gaffled a CM Swift RX pad too, love it. Your content is on point pal, keep up the good work.
Man, for 1 year getting 18k is huge! But you definitely deserve it!
Yep, exactly my line. I've been running around internets for almost two years telling people that there's litterally no difference between 3310 and 3988(ever since Rival came out iirc lol) for human eye and feeling and that they should focus on shape and weight and cable and clicks instead of sensor.
And then Logitech released G502 and it was a nightmare for me cuz all the paid sites and all the marketing-susceptible people flooded the internetz.
After 5 years do you think sensors matter ?
@@foreverprogaming2421 Not among the top tier - 3310, 3360 or 3989 it makes no matter. Some shittier 3325 maybe, but you're paying significantly less for those mice.
Happy anniversary Zy. This channel has quickly become one of my favorites.
You have one of the best channels out there. Your reviews are great and on a high quality lvl in terms of production.
Keep up the good work !!!
Really good video, I was actually just doing research quite recently on these three sensors and the differences between them. Good to know they're all really good for the most part.
Dude, you seriously deserve a lot more subs. Your content is amazing. Been subbed for more that half a year!
I would still love to see some 3310 same response and snappy movement like DA. Somehow DA feels so perfect sensor wise.
Finally some sanity. Thank you for that great video! I will admit to only buying mice with a 3310 sensor so far but I'd definitely be ok with either of these sensors.
happy youtube-anniversary! :)
+Thyassasin99 thanks!
All of those sensors are fine on cloth pads, but on hard pads you might notice a difference. The 3310 has pretty bad tracking on hard pads, or at least on the one I had.
The Chroma worked fine while in motion, but sometimes there would be phantom movements and the cursor would move around if it the mouse was still.
Higher dpi is meant to be used with high accuracy pads, and low dpi can be used on most things. I would like to see some extensive tests with a black hard pad with non repeating pattern with the g303 at 12,000 dpi. I am either getting another zowie fk or getting the g303 and a high accuracy hard pad, just for science and curiosity.
I like how the anniversary of your RUclips channel is also the anniversary of my birth. Love your work, hope you continue on with it for the years to come
I think you should try reviewing the Logitech g400s. Although you have other mice to review, I'm 100% sure some would like to see it!
hero or pmw3366 which one is the best?
great video Zy can't believe its already been a year
Comfort for me is my roccat kone pure military. The great thing about the 3310 is there are so many mice that use it that anyone should be able to find a mouse comfortable for them.
Just wanted to mention that i purchased Painkiller collection. After i tried painkiller black edition i went and bought Unreal tournament collection and then serious sam 3 in the steam sale....basically im new to this style of fast paced fps...
Woe i have been around since December, I new this channel would grow fast gj
Amazing video again! keep em' coming :D
will you be reviewing the finalmouse tournament pro or the ScreamOne when it comes out?
ShadowzElite no
Congratulations for this channel, it is fantastic.
The Razer mouse and its 3389 sensor is the best of them. Nothing could beat Razer till up today.
Yoo enjoyed the video! Glad I didn't get unsubbed from your channel :)
Good review. But you missed a very interesting thing. Click latency. Yesterday i order Zowie Benq FK1, cause it's have shape similar to SS sensei. I love sensei shape. But i also have DA Chroma with a perfect sensor. My game perfomance has decreased when i swiched from Sensei to DA. That's why I order Zowie. Zowie Benq FK1 has perfect sensor and perfect shape. But I read a lot of threads on forums about Zowie FK1 click latency. I am very dissapointed after i read that Zowie FK 1 has 20 ms click latency! I watched a lot of your videos and you never tell us about click latency in mouses.
P.S. Sry 4 my poor English.
Holy crap. It's a very good news for me. I ordered a Zowie BenQ FK1.
Can confirm what Danny just said, I have the new version by BenQ and there is no click latency at all as far as I can tell.
Yeah what Danny said is right. Also this isn't a review about buttons, it's about the sensors.
Rocket Jump Ninja much appreciated. Yeah it's about the sensors. I am very sorry about my post. But i nerves to much about my purchase. So i need your opinion about latency.
Oleg Suslov I have not found any latency problems on the latest Zowie mice.
i have owned over 15 mice from zowie to razer to logitech and i think the 3989 is the best i have ever used, razer deathadder
Hey Zy, I found a similar mouse to the DM1 Pro, it's called Nixeus REVEL Gaming Mouse and it has 3360 sensor, Omron switches and Sensei shape. It might be interesting although being similar to the DM1.
Great video and it's good to see a growing channel put some emphasis on the fact that you should really just (if you're going for performance) make sure you have one of the really good sensors and then move on to shape and weight. Sure sensor implementation is a thing, but from what I've gathered most true gaming brands won't ''screw up'' a 3310 implementation for instance. There's no way I'm going to get beaten someone because I use a Zowie 3310 and the other was using a Logitech 3366, right? ;p He's probably just got better aim, got lucky or perhaps got laid last night ;D
No one is better than the KO Raven, even if he uses a toaster.
I wish I had that kind of faith in myself :'(
Only the KO Raven would ever doubt the KO Raven, thus he is truly the KO Raven.
Rocket Jump Ninja Thanks for believing in me Senpai
I think you meant 3389 ? I have never heard of the PIXART 3989. The deathadder uses a 3389 sensor.
So true about the shape. I tried the g303, finalmouse 2016 spring, zowie za12 & I just keep comming back to my Deathadder chroma.
Maybe that will change when the screamone comes out but still meh... deathAdder elite is out aswell.
FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS.
Hey Zy, would you consider testing polling rates some time in the near future such as 500 Hz vs 1000 Hz with considerations like snappiness/accuracy/fluidity? I'm not sure how you'd do it but it would be pretty interesting.
Will you make videos about the new Quake game? What are your thoughts on it so far? I think it's going to be awesome!
Good video. Some people just get way to hyped for newer sensors etc. The 3310 is very very good yet i have seen users on overclock.net talking shit about it despite everyone saying it was a godlike sensor with no anglesnapping / excel etc a few months ago...
The people on ocn over exaggerate everything. In my opinion, the 3366 "feels" better, it feels "smoother" and well, "snappier" to me than the 3310 The 3310 is good, but I think since the 3360 is the better sensor, people would rather have the 3360 instead due to the fact it is the best or one of the best. People pay good money to get the best and if people see the top end nice not having the "best", people get pissed off and talk shit about almost just as good sensors. 3310 also gets shit now because of the competition comming out with the 3360/s398/8.
i 100% agree on the expecting the best when you spend good money. What mouse do you have with the 3366?
I have the g303(currently using, I like the side buttons and main buttons, I love them) and the g502(too heavy and shape isn't the best, otherwise, it's the best all round mouse in my opinion). Both have 3366 sensors. I also own a rocatt Kone pure military(shape isn't the best but otherwise excellent) and an ec2a(side buttons are soo bad and scroll wheel is borderline acceptable) which have 3310 sensors
+Kmah smith the g303 mouse is godlike in my opinion if you like the shape of it, which I personally do.
The shape for me is manageable. I do find the Ec2a more comfortable though. However, the side buttons on the ec2a are terrible(I use at least 1 side button a lot).
Rocket Jump Ninja One question, I am a mouse obsessed freak. I have Roccat Kone Pure (laser, phantom white), DA Chroma, DA 3g (blue 2006-2007)(not much reviews or sensor's info about it), g100s, g400s, CM Xornet. I already had g502, but too bad shape for palm (Yeah I know that sensor is very good). I am palm grip (I have really big hand). Usually I see that shape of g400s and Roccat Kone Pure is the most comfortable for palm grip. What do you thing about it?
And of course (about sensor question, because this video is about them): here too much info about top optic sensors, and what about Roccat Kone Pure's A9800 sensor? and what do you thing about A9800 vs S3989? S3989 vs S3668? What is "more responsive S3989? less input lag sensor?
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can u do a couple cheap mice reviews? like $40 and under. I seem to focus on higher end mice
im so glad i bought the zowie celeritas, as now im addicted to zowie and will buy the zowie fk2
I feel like 3366 is the most raw (precise), 3989 is the most responsive least proccessing but not as raw as the 3366 and 3310 I cannot say I did not use it.
Amazing reviews! Do you have the explorer 3.0 our ms optical 1.1? This is the sensor i found to be more responsive then both the 3366 in my g303 and the 3090 in my zowie. It would be great if you can compare it to the modern sensors..
Thought you'd be interested in knowing the FK2 actually does have a bit of a problem I've noticed. It actually has a pretty jarring z-axis jump bug. It's accomplished by picking up the mouse and setting it down while moving at a rearward and to the left / right angle. It will send your cursor straight down to the ground. I was not able to replicate this on my G900.
I'm pretty sure the only reason I discovered this was because I am a 80cm/360 gamer heh.
I can't seem to replicate that with mine. There have been a few issues with 3310 sensors lately though, so it might be a problem with yours but not others. Something to check out!
Was able to replicate it on my fk1 2014, old fk2 and BenQ FK2. If you'd like Zy, I can make a video when I wake up.
That'd be great! I don't think I've understood the problem properly.
Alright uploading now... apologies in advance, the only camera I have is my phone's camera... it isn't great.
All good, I got what you meant this time and gave it a try... I got it spinning out like that too, but I couldn't do it consistently. People are sleeping here at the moment so I don't want to try too much, the tapping on the mouse pad is loud, but I'll definitely look into it more in the morning and try some other 3310s.
Thanks for pointing it out! I'd never seen it before... I think you'd either have to accidentally place the mouse down like that or just happen to have that technique. Will get back to you if I figure anything else out.
If you ever get the dm1 with 3360 in it, will you ever compare it with the 3310 one? It creates a true sensor comparison as it is
A)from same company(so people can't complain "implementation" as an issue for test
B) same shape(so there isn't a bias to which mouse you like more because of the shape)
C)same texture(so a blind test can be performed as a blind test as much as possible)
D)same weight(so the only difference only becomes the sensor)
E)same cable so it doesn't change how moving the mouse around feels.
F)no button difference
Maybe, but only because people are curious. I've tested a lot of mice now and rarely have a problem with 3310, 3989/8 or 3366/0, so it's really not that interesting to me.
I wonder if there is anyone that prefers the 3310 over the 3366 and why they have that opinion. Also, who do you think is going to come out with the best 3366/0 mouse this year.
Is the SS kana v2 on your list yet or is it too expensive for what it gives?
No thought on that. And yeah not keen on the Kana.
Also, how stiff are the fk2 buttons?
I have the 3310 and 3988 i love the 3988, the 3310 does weird random little movements sometimes while playing really random my razer (3988) doesnt have that.. weird.
Also my 3310 spins out sometimes
Almost 20k ! 1 year anniversary !
Oh btw, 3366 is the best xD
what mouse you have?
Logitech G (new gen) = 3366
how is it comparing to 3360?
excuse me but what is this tuning everyone on the internet copies and pastes?!
There is no noticeable difference
Did they fix the click latency on the FK2? I was going to buy it, but turned to Logitech because of low click latency and a better sensor.
I didn't noticed any click latency at all.
Hey man, are you able to buy the Nixeus Revel from MassDrop? It's one of the few mice with the 3360 sensor, and it has a sensei shape. And it's selling pretty cheap at the moment on Massdrop...
Currently there are no reviews on it.
what happened to the EC2-A being your primary mouse?
u deserve way more then 18 k subs
You deserve more subs
On the subject of mouse pads, have you seen the mousepads by GGing? Alot of their product looks strangely familiar to the Glorious PC Gaming mousepad that you review, and they're really cheap right now. Do you or anyone know if they're good?
Have you figured it out what it is when companies list several letters after the name of the sensor used? I've assumed that al "-H" means height adjustable, but the other ones are baffling.
I actually gave up on that haha
maybe an email to cougar or another manufacturer's representatives to see if they can provide hints?
if the mouse moves doing that CDs stuff, its that good or bad
Just tests the lift off distance. High lift off distance is TERRIBLE for fps gaming.
If it still tracks with 3 or more CDs under the mouse, it's an indication it has a high lift off distance which the majority of fps users don't like. Keep in mind the type of mouse pad you have will effect this.
is zowie ec2a 3310?
yes, all zowie mice use the 3310
great video mate
As always great work thx
is the difference between 3310 and 3360 very major and would it be a sell off?
Should I buy the deathadder or the g303 .. I have palm grip .. And i heard the logitech g303 sensor rattle.. Which mouse should I buy?
1 year and 18k subs? that's dang good.
And that's without advertising! Definitely happy with how it's going.
Rocket Jump Ninja best of luck man, hope ya grow love your content.
Hi Zy -all the best!!!!
Do you suggest getting a mercury sensor or 3366 sensor for FPS gaming?
I was just looking at Zowie EC2-A and G303 and you released this video, nice. Would you say that G303 is really good for fingertip grip, I mean a bit better then EC2-A? I have 19.5 - 20cm hand size, and 10.5 - 11cm wide, just like you measure it. I used G602 and my hand was dying from 138g with 1 battery and I also used Kinzu V1, which seems kinda okay, but the buttons are really hard to press. I should also note that EC2-A is 66€ and G303 is 58€. I cannot import anything outside of my country, due to the 30% tax on everything imported.
Cheers
Surprised you're able to use small mice, your hand is pretty big. G303 is loved or hated, so I really can't say if it's right for you. It's personal preference. Not exactly a safe shape. Zowie FK series is great for fingertip grip though, maybe FK1 for you.
the g303 is great for fingertip grip, but can be hard to palm grip, it also has a newer sensor than the ec2, and rgb lights.
Rocket Jump Ninja Thanks for the quick reply. I dug a lot about the rattle of G303 and I kinda got the impression that it's gone now, with newer batches. Also, Zowie is not officially selling in Serbia, so no matter how much I like it I would have to buy it from a guy that sells it on one of the local ad site for 60€ for FK1, which is illegally imported with 2 year (paper)warranty, don't know how. But G303 is available in store for about 58-63€ with 3 year warranty. I just can't decide what mouse to buy for quite some time now. Shape is not the problem, but sensor, weight and reliability.
+Филип Пешић but if you want to play palm I think you can consider fk1+ which have a wider base then the fk1
joven nicholas No mate, I'm 100% fingertip grip guy. I cannot palm or even claw. That's why I asked for fingertip specifically. :)
Ah fuck, I just bought a mouse and forgot to use your Amazon affiliate link! I guess I'll use it when I buy a GPU or something. Thanks for the videos, they really helped me choose a mouse! :)
Kone Pure Military 3310. I'm good. Killing it in Overwatch
+Rocket Jump Ninja
I really like your videos, keep up the good work! I have a serious question however:
On the overclock.net forums I have read several times, that the PMW 3360 and 3366 (also its variants) suffer from inconsistent tracking of slow movements (especially when changing directions on very small and slow mouse movements that can occure during tracking of an enemy etc.) You can read up about it here:
www.overclock.net/forum/375-mice/1614638-worse-aim-3366-3360-sensor-60.html
(I recommend starting at the beginning although this thread features some very toxic people). But I would especially pay attention to the arguments of "Falkentyne" who describes these issues in detail, dating back to the introduction of the G502. It seems that in that regard the PMW 336x sensors perform worse than e.g. the PMW 3310 and its variants.
Another evidence of this problem can be found in this video:
ruclips.net/video/CIRKRzw54Zs/видео.html
where the poster experiments with a G303 as a linear sensor and registers much less tracking on small movements.
I would be glad if you could shed some light on that topic!
Cheers!
How does the AM010 stack up to this? I've been using the G402 for more than a year now, but I might replace it soon for a mouse with better weight.
In the G302, it can spin out, in the G402, it won't, so it's fine. I'm trying to get one again so I can run it through the new tests. But until then... if you're not having any issues, it's unlikely you'd need to change because of sensor. Shape and weight though, those are reasons to change.
i hated the 402 and returned it pretty fast, the lift off distance was insane and the shape was pretty dumb. like who fully palms their mouse to play fps games. i moved on to the g303 with the 3366 sensor and im never going back to large mice again, its just so easy to pick up and move around and it definitely improved my aim.
The AM010 feels strange to maybe its just the implementation on the g100s.
+Rocket Jump Ninja what sensor does the ss rival 100 have and is it good ???
in the g402 it feels very good
What are the differences between the FK2 and the EC2 ?
This music is a lot better. Happy 1 year anniversary c;
is the zowie za13 is good mouse? how is this compared to the fk2? what is better 3310 or 3360/3366? in what terms
Is a 3010 sensor still comparable to these? I'm somewhat new to gaming mice.
how do you find out what sensor is in a particular mouse and what its native DPI is? Google/yahoo just give discussions about sensitivity...
i bought Delux m625 with 3360 sensor for 18 usd on aliexpress, its so good.
Jeffrey Bozko quality buttons?
El Cuervo Virtual no the buttons are bad tbh
what is a better fps mouse? The g502 or the deathadder chroma.
I love my Logitech G900.
ec2-a used to be your all time fav mouse i mean what happened?
Zy what is the song in this video I couldn't find it on your SoundCloud?
How is 3327 pixart? Im Lefthand and know 3360 is best
What's better, 3366 or 3389?????
I really wanna get the ec1a
wow one year thats crazy
Ik its not an fps mouse, but could you review the razer naga hex v2? Im thinking of getting it for LoL and wondering if the sensor has improved since the mamba so that i wouldnt have to swap it out for my deathadder in precision games (weight doesnt bother me much)
Will try to get one.
EC2-A VS G900. Which one is better?
hey can u unbox and tell about razer taipan mouse ?
what do you think of the avago adns 9800
So ? Wich One Is The Best ?
Please Give Me The Answer. I Can't Understand English Very Well.
M.Daffa Apriyuda Just get one what feels the best. I would get a zowie mouse
I have a g403 with 3366, is excellent
I have giant hands can you recommend a quality mouse that I don't have to claw :(
Zowie s1 maybe
2:44 did you mean 3366 or 3360 there?
can you please review skydigital nmouse 4k?
I wonder how much longer we have to wait for someone to release a mouse with 3366 and "normal" shape...
until today.
Tom Bendor that doesnt have a normal shape and gives people with larger hands cramps, because of how hard it is to grip it
will the g505 with the 3366 sensor work fine on the mm300 extended mousead? I am just asking cause I've only used optical sensors with completely black surfaces and I wanna be sure I won't have any tracking issues before throwing my money
g502*
Great video as always :D
Is there no other sensor manufacturer?
Dear Zy,
Once again another question.
Just got my deathadder today and i cant aim with it.
It feels to wide for me.
I do have a Rival 100 and the shape is pretty good for me,
I can aim with it perfectly.
Wich Zowie mouse comes the closest to Rival 100?
I am not sure wich one to get EC2-a or FK1
Regards
git gud scrub
If you aim perfectly with the Rival 100, why not just keep using that?
You need a knew one of these! :)