Actually this mouse saved my wrist from serious pain. I am a graphics designer and I work on projects sometimes 10 hours a day. Plus guess what I'm doing on my free time... I USE THE COMPUTER!!! So yes, it really *is* a big deal.
I could consider an angled Mouse provided that i could still have like 12+ buttons that isn't just a fucking Numpad glued to the side , Macros/advanced Bindings, the only Sensors and Switches worth having, Et Cetera. Since that's not likely to happen my operating strategy involves ergonomic angling if my limbs, keeping loose and calm, and taking short breaks regularly even though i've basically lived my life in front of a Computer.
Hi, let me give you an advice - as I am graphic designers for 15 years now myself. The biggest thing you can do for your wrist is actually using high sensitivity. That way you can rest your wrist for basically the entire day, cause your movement with the mouse gonna be almost none. I measured mine and I move mouse 3 cm to go from one side of the screen to another. With that, you will also be able to perform a lot of tasks faster. It has a lil learning curve, you will be missing the right spot a bit, before you get the aim, but within 3 days I would say you should be able to get used to it and it will change your life for good.
@@orcusdei i have actually been using a moderately high DPi setting for many years, infact. not for that reason, but either way. have been using 3200 for quite some time. i'm just used to using that. where trying to strike a balance between having precision and being able to quickly move from one Display to another, or just make quick movements in games. on my 1200p Display it's about what you describe, a few Centimeters to cover the Display. on my 1440p Display it's more like 5.5-6. i never bought into the religion of using like, 400 or something. that just makes using your computer annoying, and trying to move distances that extreme quickly is just silly xd i think Claw grip style also helps a lot, because small movements are handled by my fingers, rather than Wrist or Arm.
Sounds More like you are prone to the injury, I passed 5 years as a graphics designer after the 5 years of computer school work then working full time with a computer and like you entertained myself with my PC daily. And 18 hours a day with a mouse. Never had a single problem with my arm wrist or fingers. I injured my back first.
Yes! This is what I was thinking, I'm an artist / graphic designer and can spend a lot of time on the old Mac and recently had noticed that I am getting a sore wrist at the end of the day, then I thought if there were mice that could be more accommodating to say holding a pencil ... Anyway I reckon that I would like to try this mouse out!
It's a minority of the total population using computers a lot, but there are plenty of people who can get massive issues from traditional computer mice and keyboards, which is why the ergo market exists. My dad (ex-building inspector) got it so bad from his office work that he had to have an operation on his mouse arm, and afterwards was only able to use vertical mice for any serious length of time. Not terribly common, but can be dang serious for some. If your arm is sending you warning signs from prolonged mouse or keyboard usage, maybe look into the possibility of trying out something that might be more ergonomic. Arms are really really useful things after all, you should take good care of them. =)
I was actually expecting after Linus said "gets fired" , that the other guy after a few seconds would be like "i dont get it". It might not have had the same effect on the scene though, but was still somewhat entertaining.
I'm a programmer and gamer, so I'm on the computer all day. I have both the MX Vertical and a G502 mouse on my desk and plugged in so that I can switch between them on a whim. I have to say the reduced wrist pain from using the MX Vertical makes the reduced number of features in comparison to the G502 definitely worth it (and I do use all the extra features of the G502 when I do use it, so it's not like they are useless to me). I actually use the MX Vertical even for gaming most of the time, which I hear most people say they can't do, so maybe I'm just weird haha. Honestly, the only time I feel the need to switch over to the G502 is when I'm playing a multiplayer FPS, which isn't often for me anyway. I actually didn't feel that steep learning curve that Linus mentioned. I was able to use it pretty quickly and effectively within a couple hours. I can imagine having the "fake click" problem James was having if I was using it on a smooth, hard surface, but I use it on a cloth mouse pad and don't have that problem so maybe that's the difference. I do share the gripe of not being able to reach the forward button easily, but I have that problem on all mice so yeah. Anyway, I love the mouse and I definitely think it was worth the $100.
The ghost clicking happens because of the verticality of the mouse, when you click you also push the mouse however slightly. With a classic mouse you click down in a way where even your palm prevents movement. The vertical mouse requires either a heavier base or pads with a harder grip on the bottom to prevent further ghost clicking.
So I've been using this mouse for over a year now. Here are my thoughts: I got used to it in like a week. It was strange at first but now I do graphical work and even game with it. Granted I am not playing CSGO with it, for things like low diamond soloque on League, it's good enough for me. The battery life is just absurdly good. In over a year, I've probably charged this thing 10 times at most. Also since its USB C, I always have a cable free nearby. A slight note though: unlike most people who use their mouse by moving their arms through their elbow and shoulder as Linus pointed out in the video, I have always used my mice through wrist only movements. So for me, this mouse was easy to get used to as this is how I've always used my mice.
Are there are any benefits to this sort of mouse though? Other than what Linus said early in the video about the bone rubbing thing? Does it have any actual long term noticeable comfort benefits over a regular mouse?
@@JimboTheJim Can't speak for him, but I'm in a similar boat in terms of using 99% wrist movements. Between the edge of my keyboard and the edge of my desk where my mouse sits is about 6 inches, 2.5 of which is taken up by the width of my normal mouse (a Corsair Harpoon), so you can imagine there's no sweeping movements over here. I don't use mouse acceleration, I just have my mouse pretty much permanently set to 2000 DPI. Even with 3 monitors, one flick of the wrist can bring me across 1.5 of them. If I've got to go from one edge to the other, then I just lift the mouse up slightly and flick it again. I very rarely have to go from one edge to the other though. Theoretically I could just press a button to go to 6000 DPI or something and be there instantly, but this is simpler and easier
As for carpal tunnel, don't forget that not only is it a result of potential prolonged awkward positioning/repetative motions causing irritation to the median nerve in the carpal tunnel, but external compressive forces play a roll as well; that being resting the wrist on a surface while holding in extension resulting in the aforementioned external compressive force combined with prolonged positioning. I mention this because of another area of concern that the vertical mouse may jeopardize called guyon's canal which may lead to guyon's canal syndrome: compression of the ulnar nerve located between the pisiform and the hamate (while holding the vertical mouse, just observe the area or the hand that may rest on the mouse pad...or just google it). While keeping the wrist in neutral may be a good preventative measure against these syndromes, external compressive forces for prolonged periods MAY also cause SOME discomfort. Just a heads up for other potential injuries. I'll be trying this mouse out for myself for sure! It seems like a step in the right direction as far as preventing cumulative trauma disorders. Ok, done with being a super nerd now. Please excuse any typos. It's late where I am haha
Thank you so much for your comment- I actually do have a Guyon' s canal syndrome and after reading this, I decided to buy a "handshoe mouse" with full hand support, which according to many people has reduced their syndrome significantly.
So you’ve used the vertical mouse for a deal of time now right? How is it for pc gaming?... I’ve opted to using an Xbox controller. No more wrist pain but I am also at a bit of a disadvantage in pvp game modes.
But how do you use your keyboard if the desk is on its right side (or left if you are left handed) as if the keyboard was on the same side as the mouse it would cause you to twist your left arm in an *EVEN* *MORE* *WORSER* position than just having it flat and if it was underneath the desk on the left side (same thing will happen on the right too) then it would fall as a keyboard is big and is meant to be *STATIONARY* (you could try gluing the keyboard under the desk) and even then you hands need to far apart not close together (you could glue a platform to the top or bottom of the desk for keyboard or mouse) and this is only applicable for gaming as when gaming you usually only have one hand on the keyboard and one for the mouse but for other tasks especially when you are typing stuff you can't have two hands on the keyboard (unless you want to damage one of your wrists or you choose to go one handed typing instead)
I really have to say that this is the first mouse that I have used in over 6 years. Ever since I switched to a laptop I was just fine with a trackpad. I used an arc mouse that I got with my Surface Laptop and liked the precision that I gained, but hated this weird mouse so I bought the vertical after testing it at Best Buy. I love it. I do not experience the same weird problems that James had and for me it feels like second nature. Since I am a pleb and used to trackpads I am not sorry that this mouse has less buttons. It is accurate, it is amazing to hold and I can work with it for hours upon hours.
Carpal tunnel and tendon inflammation is no joke. I'm only 18 and for the last few years I've had tendon damage,nerve damage etc all caused by frequent gaming (which I'm no longer able to do). When you can't type or use a mouse without pain it really makes holding down any job that involves typing (pretty much 70% of city jobs) very hard.
I'm guessing no proper ergonomics like a wrist rest or anything? I played pso2 for about 14 hours straight until my arms started hurting, but I have no real ergonomics setup, aside from the fact that my wrist doesn't move. But my desk is a few inches high and my chair can't go higher so my arms can be level.
i use vertical mouse for gaming from 2 years now, and i play almost only competitive shooters. i will never come back to orizzontal mouse, vertical mouse is super comfortable and precise, for me is more natural to use than orizzontal one. is totally false that you have to squeeze it to push buttons, you just have to lay your hand on it and the weight of the hand (without pushing) is enough to push the button without moving it. when i need to be precise i use it like a pen, laying the side of the palm on the desk, and it allows me a lot of movement, cause the hand goes up and down instead of left right. test it, move your hand keeping the wrist firm and move it first left right and then up down, you'll notice that up down is way more natural and allow more radius. there are a lot of cheap vertical mouse on amazon, if you are interested just try it, at first is super weird, but when you get used on it is amazing. i hope more people will start to use them cause i want a serious gaming vertical mouse!
My work bought me one of these about 6 months ago, super weird initially but I'm now a massive fan! You get just as accurate as a "normal" mouse over time.
It's probably youtube's compression, look at the banding. Ugh disgusting, but that's the only way for streaming. Most people's internet isn't fast enough for higher bitrates.
I've been using vertical mouses for years and can confirm that it took a few weeks to get used to. It's so much more comfortable now that I prefer to use my $20 Anker vertical mouse over a $100 gaming mouse. My suggestion is before you drop a hundred bucks on this expensive Logitech mouse, try out one of cheap ones from Amazon to see if it makes a difference. For mouse-intensive work/games you should do yourself a favor and look into this. The difference isn't night and day, but a small decision could have a big impact down the line.
I have some issues with my wrist and my anker vertical mouse saved me pain and having to undergo corrective surgery. Though I don't game as much as I used to 10 or even 20 years ago this mouse works well enough for my less then pro level skills when I do get the time to.
I'm using my Anker vertical mouse for some months now and I also find it nice to use after I got used to, I still use it only for work tbh, for gaming I still use my Logitech gaming mouse.
I have the Anker one as well, been using it since Christmas and love it. I don’t do a lot of gaming, but for day to day use it’s perfect. I can’t see spending that much more money for the added features
I'm using Delux M618X vertical mouse 3 years. From the first day until today, there are no problems with accidental clicking, awkward sliding, or problems with dpi. It is bigger than other vertical mouses but it gives me abnormal comfort. I only changed before few months the left click button that I use most often and put a stronger battery (yes, I am an electronics engineer) and working great. So, I recommend vertical mice, but I suggest going to the store and trying them out before buying a mouse. It took me 10 different models to try to find the right one.
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I started to get arm pain this year and switched to this mouse. It felt weird at first, but within a week it felt completely natural and now I can't go back to a regular mouse, even for gaming. The lack of features compared to the rest of the MX lineup is a pity, but it's still my favourite mouse I've ever tried.
I did the same but mine is held in place with embedded magnets. Just strong enough to keep it from falling off, but weak enough to move without effort.
Been using an MX vertical for several months now. It did initially take some getting used to, but I now use it across two computers with Flow, and even game with it. My wrist is very happy with the reduced strain!
I’m usually a really big fan of everything you do, but I feel like this could have been a lot more informative if you compared the vertical to similar style mice on Amazon. I personally have an Anker vertical mouse that costs around $20 and performs identically to how you described the Logitech vertical mouse. Watching this video turned me off to the Logitech vertical because of how it was framed as too expensive despite its health benefits, but including a segment about other cheaper vertical mice could have shown your viewers that cheap healthy options are also available. Love your work again, just thought more information could have been included!
I watched this review when it was first uploaded and just bought one one sale a 2 weeks ago. Everything that James experienced is true with the accidental "click and move" I do it all the time. The ergonomic form factor and the epected quality of the Logitech brand were worth the cost and it is insanely conformatble compared to other mice when i working on a paper, powerpoint, or spreedsheet project for extended periods. SUCKS FOR GAMING THOUGH so I have a G602 to game with.
I think it's more of a psicological issue. I did experience the "James issues" two or three times in SIX MONTHS, actually it reduced my miss/fake clicks. After this period and some hours of training I can game with it pretty well too, sometimes not so precise tho.
My dad has one of these. Got it when he developed carpal tunnel syndrome a few years ago. I gotta say, it's extremely comfortable to use. A bit weird for gaming (he still games with it) but for just regular use it's very nice.
I've been gaming on a verticle mouse for over a year now. At first it was really weird but now its second nature. It makes FPS games feel like I'm holding a gun lol.
I've been using vertical ergonomic mouse for years. Cheaper ones overtime break down mechanically. This time I forked out the extra dollars and treated myself - I'm already sold on these - but the Logitech MX Vertical is FANTASTIC. Great feel, buttons well space. SOLD from the moment I put it in my hand. Highly recommended. The learning curve for newbies is only say 15 minutes max.
I keep thinking about this (for some reason, I've lately become frustrated with all my mice/trackballs). What I've gotten out of messing with one of these mice is that the missed clicks come from the fact that the mouse buttons are still engineered like you were clicking straight down. That works fine on a normal mouse because the surface the mouse is on bolsters it. There's no bolster to oppose your clicking movement, so the thing just wags a bit before anything happens. The only way aggressive clickers (which is most of us gamers) will make a vertical mouse work is if the clicks are oriented similar to or just like pistol triggers. The meat of your hand becomes that bolster. Obviously, you can't really arrange twin pistol triggers and have it work efficiently, but the direction of clicking force should simply be oriented according to the that design logic.
I've used vertical mice for a while and got this one! The ghost clicking definitely goes away once you adjust. And I've had those way cheaper vertical mice too, but it's worth getting one solid one like this. The feel is great, I can use it with all my devices, and it's the first time I haven't gotten disconnects or skips with a wireless mouse. And I do game with it haha pretty well I think
That Anker mouse you showed briefly at 7:50 is quite satisfactory. I have one. I didn't have a much trouble getting used to it and can ever use it for shooters.
I work on computers every day and then I play games for many hours every night and all weekend. I only had normal mouses and upgraded to a razer gaming mouse for a little bit in 2019. I ended up getting one of these as a gift at the end of 2019 and I will never use a normal mouse again. I play a lot of FPS games on PC and I can only play them with this mouse, and not my razer gaming mouse. It helps my wrist and I no longer have any pain. The clicks are easy to perform and I'm not unnecessarily squeezing the mouse to click sideways as you suggested. I would recommend such a mouse for people who use computers often.. even for gaming tbh.
Anker, and Sharkk have been making vertical mice both wired, and wireless versions for years, and are the only mice I will use, and they can be had for under $20, and I've never had fantom mouse click issues. hell if you want to go cheaper there are some no name Chinese clones with better sensors than the Anker, and Shark, but their top case leaves something to be desired, but you can use the bottom piece of the Chinese clones to make a franken mouse using an Anker, or Sharkk vertical top piece for the best of both worlds.
Yes! Anker's only weakness is a fragile wheel button in some units. I get six months to two years out of an Anker vertical before the wheel breaks. I buy a few at a time, sometimes for as little as $11 each.
peetoons I've never had issues with the Anker, or Sharkk wheels in any of my mice, but the clone one I got for transplant had a wheel so bad it would not even scroll proper because it was not even fully round, and the top shell of the clone was like that rubberized plastic that melts over time, and gets gooey, and/or sticky.
Razzakbane The Anker Wireless version goes upto 1600DPI, but you need to plug the usb dongle into the front of your case if you have a WiFi router near your PC, as it uses 2.4Ghz. Wireless: www.ebay.com/itm/Anker-2-4G-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical-Mouse-800-1200-1600DPI-5-Buttons/322224312385?epid=11019365006&hash=item4b0610d041:rk:1:pf:0 But if you don't like wireless unless it's for a laptop like myself the wired version is fine, and I do have a stock wired Sharkk Basic(zero difference other than name) on my work PC on Xubuntu 18.04 with dual monitors, and gaming on Linux with it via STEAM/STEAM Play in my down time at work has been fine overall as well, just not as sensative as my franken mouse at home. wired: www.ebay.com/itm/Anker-Ergonomic-Optical-USB-Wired-Vertical-Mouse-1000-1600-DPI-5-Buttons-CE100/302768331927?epid=21016975296&hash=item467e661c97:rk:1:pf:0 But as you might notice in the links provided, the wireless version can go down to 800 DPI if needed for some games, and also to note I've gotten my wireless one to track on just about every surface I've tried it on except glass, but I leave my wired ones on my desk at home, and my desk at work on black mouse mats so can't really comment on how good they track on odd surfaces like couch/chair fabric, leather, wood table, carpet, etc.. Edit: stay away from the Chinese no name clones unless you are using one with a higher sensor to make a franken mouse like I did as the build quality on them are utter crap.
Same! I believe that if you are used to do other tasks more ergonomically, a more natural position while using the mouse will be really easy to get used to.
I love my Anker mouse, I have bought several for different machines. You do get used to it after some time. At first the mouse moves when you click but you get used to it and I do not have those issues anymore. Both the wired and wireless mice are almost the exact same, so switching between them is effortless.
I've given the MX vertical mouse test runs for over a year at computer supply stores just to see how it feels. Of course, they were all immobile so I could not properly get a good 'feel' for it. I decided to get one two days ago and find that I actually love it! I've been doing graphic layout for a trade show company for almost 18 years. Working with standard 'palm down' mice (most recently a Logitech M720 mouse} has given me frozen shoulder (both sides, very painful) for over 2 years. This mouse feels so natural. I've switched back to the other mouse just to see if I wanted to go back to it. Nope, I'm sticking with the MX vertical, even without the extra features. Thank you for a great video!
I pre-ordered this mouse. I love it. I really only use it at work. At home, I really miss the scroll wheel and gesture button that my original MX Master has when I use the MX Vertical.
For years, I used to have pain in my right wrist every few weeks that would last for a few days. Since using this mouse this has disappeared. Correlation does not equal causation, but that's all that I changed. I've acclimated to it very nicely after a few weeks as well.
Well the modified angle from the norm could certainly contribute, i'll say. Having palms parallel to a table caused me discomfort after long periods myself
I've got 2 MX Masters, one for work and one at home, wont be switching fir quite awhile, the awesome scroll wheel and conveniently placed re programmable buttons are just awesome.
I use a penguin vertical mouse at work and I hate the look of it, so I got this for home. I game on it too, I just had to take a few months to get used to it, not as good as the 502 I had, but doesn't kill my hand either
@@martoantoniuk I game on it because its either that or a controller now, I get massive pain in my hands after a few minutes with a normal mouse. The work provided Penguin Mouse (I think the name is something similar to that) I get less fatigue with that, but I hate looking at it. You’ll see why if you ever googled it. I was also given one of those Logitech mice that has a ball on the thumb to move. It doesn’t work because for me it is the clicking that hurts, not the movement across a mousepad. After a long enough time (maybe a month) with it I started to adjust to it, so I think I am basically as competitive as I used to be. The mouse doesn’t get warm because I am always taking my hand off to either type, or just loosely holding it in-between mouse movements. This mouse is one where you don’t glue your hand to it for the hours of computer time. If you get strain in your hand and especially from clicking, then I would highly recommend looking more into this. If you have any other more specific questions let me know. I can’t be without it now
@@martoantoniuk small adjustments you use your wrist in the vertical position but you will need to make bigger movements and will be moving with your forearm and elbow more than you do with a traditional mouse. The trackball mouse you make no movement with your wrist and elbow but it feels very strange to rotate your thumb. RandomFrankP has a video where he games on a trackball mouse. I can't recommend one style over the other because I guess it is more of what works to fix the pain. good luck, just don't ignore the pain because it just gets worse and worse if you ignore it
I use a ergonomic mouse like this one for years now. With practice, it's easy to use. This specific mouse have a high price in comparison to what you can find on Amazon. I use the sharkk basic, it cost less but do the job for the price. I personally don't use i for gaming as everything is a little bit slower with it. A interesting series of videos would be to create the best ergonomic work place. With each videos comparing different kind of stuff (mouse, keyboard, desk, ect). I don't feel like this video show all the benefits of using this kind of mouse. I would be interested to see more. Work safety is not something people think about when they work at a desk. But it is as important as anything else.
Anker also makes the exact same mouse, and they are fine for normal gaming,(I would not use one for competitive play) plus they come in both wired, and wireless(just don't plug the dongle into the back of your case). there is also a no name Chinese clone floating around on eBay for even cheap that has a much better senor, so I picked one up, and ended up taking the top case off because it felt like total garbage, and put an aker top case on it, and boom better sensor, but my back/forward buttons are swapped, so I'm gonna have to take it apart, and check the wiring at some point, and it makes gaming even better with 4000 DPI which I use on dual monitors, and thinking of doing the same mod for my Sharkk wired vertical mouse I have on my work computer that has dual monitors as well.
@@diomedes7971 It takes a while to get used to, but it's actually decent for gaming. I use the same one as this guy, Sharkk Wired vertical mouse, though their is one made by Anker which is the exact same. It really did help my wrist and arm pain.
I just wanted to revisit this video and say that I bought the MX vertical mouse and am IN LOVE with it. It has significantly improved my comfort levels at the desk while through the day. The ghost clicks I found went away once I adopted to the mouse. I found that I was trying to hold the mouse too tightly. Over time, my grip relaxed and my accuracy has improved. I only wish there were more programmable keys and that the track wheel was 4D. And ofcourse... RGB would have been nice :-P I haven't tried using the mouse for FPS games... but I think it will be fun to try. Edit: An aside - I had to switch to a 65% keyboard/mini keyboard to accommodate the sweeps that this mouse forces you to make. Probably just a me thing. I purchased a dedicated number pad for data entry tasks. All in all, I'm very happy with my new set-up.
I have the Anker vertical mouse and it's great. Looking at the features between that and the Logitech one I think it's extremely hard to justify $80 extra dollars.
I've been using a vertical mouse (The Anker that you showed in a screenshot towards the end) at work for a couple of years. Took me a few weeks to get comfortable with it and much longer to get accurate. Same issue that James described with the inaccurate clicking. I missed my target a lot at first. I also use a wavy keyboard, so nobody else can easily use my computer.
I had severe arm pain a while back, for almost a month and put it down to the fact I'm a programmer and game all night. I looked around and there wasn't a huge selection, especially since I've always used a mouse left-handed. With a normal mouse it's just as easy for me to use (most allow for the left and right click to be reversed if you prefer), but for a vertical mouse you have to have a different mouse for left and right handed use. I got an Evoluent left-handed mouse (Logitech didn't have one) and my pain was gone within a week and half. I've had it about 18 months now and highly recommend that mouse and a vertical mouse in general. They DO take a bit of getting used to (especially if you've been a heavy user for 20+ years like me) but now I'm as accurate and speedy with it as I am a normal mouse.
As a physiotherapist im very happy with the release. Its a great product for people who have issues with carpal tunnel or pretty much anyone who has to work on their PC a lot but doesnt require pinpoint accuracy. In my opinion the price point is too low for what it is - being a great product for a small target customer base. Not surprised this is a Logictech mouse. Good stuff.
the wired anker vertical mouse is way cheaper and has been my daily driver for a year now. I play all my games with it including competitive games like league and dota and I've never looked back. It triples the amount of time I can game without wrist pain
as someone that has used this stile of mice for years, I can definitely tell that it's 100% an experience thing, and truly honestly, my arms don't feel as sore after huge gaming sessions, work and school didn't destroy my arms, and it's not really an issue when get used to it.
I have the $30 Delux one. It's kind of amazing how much relief I've gotten from using it and a logitech ergo keyboard as someone who does data entry and sends emails all day long.
I am using a vertical mouse for years now doing photo retouching and video editing and feel confident to use it. It is accurate and not way off from a Graphics Tablet experience , while actually being really accurate in operation. There is nothing else, but personal taste and choice to shift to one of these.
I have been using for two years and I only game with it too (sc2 and fps). Took me a couple of weeks to get used for regular work (software development). And about a month to be able to game well.
@@richardharvey586 ok. Thanks for your insight. I started using a vertical mouse at home and I am feeling the difference. Numbness on my fingers are still there but not as terrible as before.
Wait i might have the same problem as you. It always hurts for me when i walk for a long time or carry something heavy on my back. Did you have the same issue?
I also got rid of arm-back-shoulder painful muscles after getting an Anker vertical mouse and a proper keyboard adjustable tray by 3M. Now when I use my old regular mouse I fell my hand straining, becoming stiff and somewhat painful. I'm fully comfortable with vertical mouse though.
Bought one of these used and I love it, very comfortable, felt natural to me almost immediately and I even find shooters perfectly playable, although I play those fairly casually.
I own an Evoluent VerticalMouse 4, which seems to have a steeper angle (nearly 90 degrees) than the Logitech Vertical Mouse (57 degrees), but I do not have any issues with the mouse moving when I click (or any strain from keeping the mouse still when I click). The only thing I dislike about my mouse tho is the fact that it's wired, and their Bluetooth compatible mouse is for Mac only, so I am looking for alternative options. Since I am pretty used to using a vertical mouse, I don't know if I would have some of the same issues with the Logitech one that they had, but I don't want to spend $100 on a mouse that does have issues
why don't they just copy a gun handle for the 90 degree angle? two "triggers" could be the left and right mouse button? Just my first thought when hearing about that "new problem" linus.
Because then mice will be training people to kill people. Just imagine using a "gun mouse" to play "violent video games" lmao But it has to feel like you need it on the desk. I don't think a gun handle would provide that.
Wait, let's have the pointer movement be recorded from aiming this mouse pistol at the screen. Dragging stuff would be like brandishing a gun at the screen. And put removable batteries in the grip, when battery is low, you reload a new one.
Windows 10 users need a gun so they can shoot the damned thing when it stops behaving like something you own and more like something that owns you. #InatallLinux2020
Grip angle varies between rifle, shotgun, pistol. And even once you break down into those sub categories, the grip angle will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. Oh and what you're thinking about already exists.... joystick :)
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what an intro, want more of that
It was a cringe explosion, I love it
God kids these days ... everything is a "cringe"
It was fking awesome sit down!
@@RelaxSimmer no, it was definitely cringy.
I want these to stay rare, that is what makes them so great
not in a bad way, like musicallys
Actually this mouse saved my wrist from serious pain. I am a graphics designer and I work on projects sometimes 10 hours a day. Plus guess what I'm doing on my free time... I USE THE COMPUTER!!! So yes, it really *is* a big deal.
I could consider an angled Mouse provided that i could still have like 12+ buttons that isn't just a fucking Numpad glued to the side , Macros/advanced Bindings, the only Sensors and Switches worth having, Et Cetera.
Since that's not likely to happen my operating strategy involves ergonomic angling if my limbs, keeping loose and calm, and taking short breaks regularly even though i've basically lived my life in front of a Computer.
Hi, let me give you an advice - as I am graphic designers for 15 years now myself. The biggest thing you can do for your wrist is actually using high sensitivity. That way you can rest your wrist for basically the entire day, cause your movement with the mouse gonna be almost none. I measured mine and I move mouse 3 cm to go from one side of the screen to another. With that, you will also be able to perform a lot of tasks faster. It has a lil learning curve, you will be missing the right spot a bit, before you get the aim, but within 3 days I would say you should be able to get used to it and it will change your life for good.
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i have actually been using a moderately high DPi setting for many years, infact.
not for that reason, but either way.
have been using 3200 for quite some time. i'm just used to using that. where trying to strike a balance between having precision and being able to quickly move from one Display to another, or just make quick movements in games.
on my 1200p Display it's about what you describe, a few Centimeters to cover the Display. on my 1440p Display it's more like 5.5-6.
i never bought into the religion of using like, 400 or something. that just makes using your computer annoying, and trying to move distances that extreme quickly is just silly xd
i think Claw grip style also helps a lot, because small movements are handled by my fingers, rather than Wrist or Arm.
Sounds More like you are prone to the injury, I passed 5 years as a graphics designer after the 5 years of computer school work then working full time with a computer and like you entertained myself with my PC daily.
And 18 hours a day with a mouse.
Never had a single problem with my arm wrist or fingers.
I injured my back first.
Yes! This is what I was thinking, I'm an artist / graphic designer and can spend a lot of time on the old Mac and recently had noticed that I am getting a sore wrist at the end of the day, then I thought if there were mice that could be more accommodating to say holding a pencil ... Anyway I reckon that I would like to try this mouse out!
This intro was officially the best thing yet on LTT. The best!
haha ya lmao
The ninja one was better IMO
didn't like it... BUT, it was the most artistic in years from this bunch. gotto agree - gj!
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poor tempered glass, It wasn't meant to be like this.
The instant I saw the screen:
"Say it. Say it... SAY IT!!!!"
Linus: "Enhance"
YES!! HAHA
Haloformide lol no
@Sarag fitzgibbon lol yes
@rush A reference to the sci fi film "Blade Runner"
Same hahahaha
@@pablomonsalve3911 and every other government-agent-gone-rogue movie
This is one of the few videos, in which you see the RED camera used to its fullest potential. Very pleasing for my eyes, props to Brandon!
Master of King you mean when they enhance the recordings?
Rip techsource got his stolen
I was much happier not knowing my arm bones did that
It's a minority of the total population using computers a lot, but there are plenty of people who can get massive issues from traditional computer mice and keyboards, which is why the ergo market exists. My dad (ex-building inspector) got it so bad from his office work that he had to have an operation on his mouse arm, and afterwards was only able to use vertical mice for any serious length of time.
Not terribly common, but can be dang serious for some. If your arm is sending you warning signs from prolonged mouse or keyboard usage, maybe look into the possibility of trying out something that might be more ergonomic. Arms are really really useful things after all, you should take good care of them. =)
@sbcontt YT Well, that is good to know
If you ever get x-rays of your forearm, now you know why you need to supinate your palm for the best anteroposterior view.
try working in healthcare... you have no idea what your hands are capable of adapting and working with...
franscartoons samee
We need an LTT movie that’s a 45 minute commercial for every new piece of tech.
It's cool to see how much they improve each time they go all out!
The WAN Show?
starring Nicholas Cage as Linus....
Dropping AMD products on the ground followed by glory shots of nvidia and intel products.
Did you mean piece ?
0:55 Why is no one talking about the fact that he opened the glass on his face
Wow, i didnt notice, i was to busy looking at the computers insides
i did notice and i was checking to see if somebody talked about this
thank you for adding nothing to the conversation
they skip the 30 seconds
@@marvellousmistake what were you expecting
i was waiting for that "enhance" so bad xDDD
karlos55w it was just a given considering the scene haha
Same bro
I was actually expecting after Linus said "gets fired" , that the other guy after a few seconds would be like "i dont get it". It might not have had the same effect on the scene though, but was still somewhat entertaining.
i was waiting for one "enhance" followed by "turn RTX on"
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We need more of this intro
When he took out his sunglasses I lost😂😂😂
I agree
No... Just No
Please… no…
Shut up!
Gotta love when Linus uses the *IBM Model M* attire.
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Tweed sports coat is best sports coat!
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I'm a programmer and gamer, so I'm on the computer all day. I have both the MX Vertical and a G502 mouse on my desk and plugged in so that I can switch between them on a whim. I have to say the reduced wrist pain from using the MX Vertical makes the reduced number of features in comparison to the G502 definitely worth it (and I do use all the extra features of the G502 when I do use it, so it's not like they are useless to me). I actually use the MX Vertical even for gaming most of the time, which I hear most people say they can't do, so maybe I'm just weird haha. Honestly, the only time I feel the need to switch over to the G502 is when I'm playing a multiplayer FPS, which isn't often for me anyway. I actually didn't feel that steep learning curve that Linus mentioned. I was able to use it pretty quickly and effectively within a couple hours. I can imagine having the "fake click" problem James was having if I was using it on a smooth, hard surface, but I use it on a cloth mouse pad and don't have that problem so maybe that's the difference. I do share the gripe of not being able to reach the forward button easily, but I have that problem on all mice so yeah. Anyway, I love the mouse and I definitely think it was worth the $100.
From the moment I saw Linus standing with a suit at that angle, I was already waiting for him to utter the word "enhance".
Same
Same
When I saw pixels I knew it was coming lol
Hahahahahahaha same hahaha
YEP. same.
The ghost clicking happens because of the verticality of the mouse, when you click you also push the mouse however slightly. With a classic mouse you click down in a way where even your palm prevents movement. The vertical mouse requires either a heavier base or pads with a harder grip on the bottom to prevent further ghost clicking.
Danni Jensen glad someone understands
Agree. Or click backward, like a gun trigger.
Brian Rompis your suppose to squeeze a gun trigger. I suppose that theory would apply with a vertical mouse too
Sorry I mean *you’re for all the grammar Nazi’s out there
@@breckbradshaw4820 yeah, right? Since you will be pressing against your palm, so more stability.
"Enhance"
*144p -> 8k*
Logic.
umm... no. 94p -> 8k
that's the joke
Wow... It's almost like they did that on purpose! I think you're onto something here pal. You'd make a great detective!
Exactly
Worse than 144p. Not to mention they did that after zooming lmao
So I've been using this mouse for over a year now. Here are my thoughts:
I got used to it in like a week. It was strange at first but now I do graphical work and even game with it. Granted I am not playing CSGO with it, for things like low diamond soloque on League, it's good enough for me. The battery life is just absurdly good. In over a year, I've probably charged this thing 10 times at most. Also since its USB C, I always have a cable free nearby.
A slight note though: unlike most people who use their mouse by moving their arms through their elbow and shoulder as Linus pointed out in the video, I have always used my mice through wrist only movements. So for me, this mouse was easy to get used to as this is how I've always used my mice.
Are there are any benefits to this sort of mouse though? Other than what Linus said early in the video about the bone rubbing thing? Does it have any actual long term noticeable comfort benefits over a regular mouse?
I play lots of games with my anker vertical mouse
Do you use mouse acceleration? I'd imagine it's hard to do big movement using only the wrist otherwise
@@JimboTheJim Can't speak for him, but I'm in a similar boat in terms of using 99% wrist movements. Between the edge of my keyboard and the edge of my desk where my mouse sits is about 6 inches, 2.5 of which is taken up by the width of my normal mouse (a Corsair Harpoon), so you can imagine there's no sweeping movements over here.
I don't use mouse acceleration, I just have my mouse pretty much permanently set to 2000 DPI. Even with 3 monitors, one flick of the wrist can bring me across 1.5 of them. If I've got to go from one edge to the other, then I just lift the mouse up slightly and flick it again. I very rarely have to go from one edge to the other though. Theoretically I could just press a button to go to 6000 DPI or something and be there instantly, but this is simpler and easier
As for carpal tunnel, don't forget that not only is it a result of potential prolonged awkward positioning/repetative motions causing irritation to the median nerve in the carpal tunnel, but external compressive forces play a roll as well; that being resting the wrist on a surface while holding in extension resulting in the aforementioned external compressive force combined with prolonged positioning. I mention this because of another area of concern that the vertical mouse may jeopardize called guyon's canal which may lead to guyon's canal syndrome: compression of the ulnar nerve located between the pisiform and the hamate (while holding the vertical mouse, just observe the area or the hand that may rest on the mouse pad...or just google it). While keeping the wrist in neutral may be a good preventative measure against these syndromes, external compressive forces for prolonged periods MAY also cause SOME discomfort. Just a heads up for other potential injuries. I'll be trying this mouse out for myself for sure! It seems like a step in the right direction as far as preventing cumulative trauma disorders. Ok, done with being a super nerd now. Please excuse any typos. It's late where I am haha
so whats the best option then? a slightly tilted mouse?
*repetitive
*play a role (different meaning)
Thank you so much for your comment- I actually do have a Guyon' s canal syndrome and after reading this, I decided to buy a "handshoe mouse" with full hand support, which according to many people has reduced their syndrome significantly.
So you’ve used the vertical mouse for a deal of time now right? How is it for pc gaming?...
I’ve opted to using an Xbox controller. No more wrist pain but I am also at a bit of a disadvantage in pvp game modes.
@Nibbler800 vertical computer mice are designed to always be on their side. Amazon and Newegg have a bunch of different models.
i saved almost 100 bucks by just placing my desk on it's side! ;)
lolindirlink amazing!! Lmao
Did you use flextape to tape your PC to the desk?
That doesn't make any sense!
lolindirlink genius
But how do you use your keyboard if the desk is on its right side (or left if you are left handed) as if the keyboard was on the same side as the mouse it would cause you to twist your left arm in an *EVEN* *MORE* *WORSER* position than just having it flat and if it was underneath the desk on the left side (same thing will happen on the right too) then it would fall as a keyboard is big and is meant to be *STATIONARY* (you could try gluing the keyboard under the desk) and even then you hands need to far apart not close together (you could glue a platform to the top or bottom of the desk for keyboard or mouse) and this is only applicable for gaming as when gaming you usually only have one hand on the keyboard and one for the mouse but for other tasks especially when you are typing stuff you can't have two hands on the keyboard (unless you want to damage one of your wrists or you choose to go one handed typing instead)
Apple: "You are holding it wrong"
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Γιάννης I also need your kidney
Firmly grasp it
I really have to say that this is the first mouse that I have used in over 6 years. Ever since I switched to a laptop I was just fine with a trackpad. I used an arc mouse that I got with my Surface Laptop and liked the precision that I gained, but hated this weird mouse so I bought the vertical after testing it at Best Buy. I love it. I do not experience the same weird problems that James had and for me it feels like second nature. Since I am a pleb and used to trackpads I am not sorry that this mouse has less buttons. It is accurate, it is amazing to hold and I can work with it for hours upon hours.
Carpal tunnel and tendon inflammation is no joke. I'm only 18 and for the last few years I've had tendon damage,nerve damage etc all caused by frequent gaming (which I'm no longer able to do). When you can't type or use a mouse without pain it really makes holding down any job that involves typing (pretty much 70% of city jobs) very hard.
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Out of curiosity, what mouse grip posture did you use?
@@Karuiko I used a claw grip but my keyboard hand is also affected so watch out for that.
Sparko I think people should get a controller for non FPS games if possible.
I'm guessing no proper ergonomics like a wrist rest or anything? I played pso2 for about 14 hours straight until my arms started hurting, but I have no real ergonomics setup, aside from the fact that my wrist doesn't move. But my desk is a few inches high and my chair can't go higher so my arms can be level.
Carpal tunnel at such a young age. Do you have any other body symptoms? Like skin nodules, cardiovascular or urinary problems? Rash? Etc
i use vertical mouse for gaming from 2 years now, and i play almost only competitive shooters. i will never come back to orizzontal mouse, vertical mouse is super comfortable and precise, for me is more natural to use than orizzontal one. is totally false that you have to squeeze it to push buttons, you just have to lay your hand on it and the weight of the hand (without pushing) is enough to push the button without moving it. when i need to be precise i use it like a pen, laying the side of the palm on the desk, and it allows me a lot of movement, cause the hand goes up and down instead of left right. test it, move your hand keeping the wrist firm and move it first left right and then up down, you'll notice that up down is way more natural and allow more radius. there are a lot of cheap vertical mouse on amazon, if you are interested just try it, at first is super weird, but when you get used on it is amazing. i hope more people will start to use them cause i want a serious gaming vertical mouse!
Which mouse do you use?
What mouse? Almost all “workplace” mice have terrible sensors
Which mouse do you use?
horizontal* as in horizon. :)
Could you tell the name of your mouse?
Yay unlisted squad. I'm so early Colton hasn't even been fired for today
reeeeee
Buy a left handed one from Evoluent then.
My work bought me one of these about 6 months ago, super weird initially but I'm now a massive fan! You get just as accurate as a "normal" mouse over time.
Throwback to CSI Miami... A man of culture as well I see, Linus Sebastian.
THROWBACK??? I'm old.
I was thinking Blade Runner
Piers from the TV show Community reference.
nope, its xcom apocalypse.
It's more of a throwback to a meme that came from CSI way to make yourself sound dated af. Holy shit balls man.
0:07 this is why they bought 8k cameras
It's probably youtube's compression, look at the banding. Ugh disgusting, but that's the only way for streaming. Most people's internet isn't fast enough for higher bitrates.
Arwin Artwell It is probably mote about Google saving disk space...
I've been using vertical mouses for years and can confirm that it took a few weeks to get used to. It's so much more comfortable now that I prefer to use my $20 Anker vertical mouse over a $100 gaming mouse. My suggestion is before you drop a hundred bucks on this expensive Logitech mouse, try out one of cheap ones from Amazon to see if it makes a difference. For mouse-intensive work/games you should do yourself a favor and look into this. The difference isn't night and day, but a small decision could have a big impact down the line.
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I have some issues with my wrist and my anker vertical mouse saved me pain and having to undergo corrective surgery. Though I don't game as much as I used to 10 or even 20 years ago this mouse works well enough for my less then pro level skills when I do get the time to.
I'm using my Anker vertical mouse for some months now and I also find it nice to use after I got used to, I still use it only for work tbh, for gaming I still use my Logitech gaming mouse.
I have the Anker one as well, been using it since Christmas and love it. I don’t do a lot of gaming, but for day to day use it’s perfect. I can’t see spending that much more money for the added features
what about mice pens ? lo tof people with RSI have moved to a tablet pen option and many prefer it ( especially for workstation apps )
Anyone else’s arms feel weird when Linus is talking about repetitive strain injuries.
*EDIT* thanks for 1k likes :)
I thought I might get fired
If your arms feel weird you weren't using 5% of your All for One.
smolji shouldn’t u have said one for all.
What Linus does in his free time is none of our business.
It’s like manually breathing
Is this the equivalent of holding your gun sideways? Gangsta gaming?
Using a regular mouse is sideways. This is like holding a gun the proper way
no this is holding it the right way
No, this is holding it 54 degrees, like your slapping someone.
gangstanomics
Keepin it poopsta
LMFAO!! Greatest intro i ever seen on one of your videos!
I agree epic intro :D
I agree too
*THIS IS EPIC*
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
"...and gets... fired!" Wow! xD
That intro Linus.... That intro...
He's a pretty good actor dahm!
I'm using Delux M618X vertical mouse 3 years. From the first day until today, there are no problems with accidental clicking, awkward sliding, or problems with dpi. It is bigger than other vertical mouses but it gives me abnormal comfort. I only changed before few months the left click button that I use most often and put a stronger battery (yes, I am an electronics engineer) and working great. So, I recommend vertical mice, but I suggest going to the store and trying them out before buying a mouse. It took me 10 different models to try to find the right one.
Do you still swear by this model with a energizer battery? Thanks.
7:48 "Merticle Mouse"
JesseAlan33 bruh hahahaha, what a comment! Got a stitch while laughing
@@Hi-il7ht what does that even mean
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I did not expect an intro like that
very punny
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this might gow down in history as the best fucking intro i have ever seen ever in the history of like... ever
This has been done many times before, pretty sure it originates from bladerunner
@@RandyMoss84vikes yes. and this is a good parodie
You got low standards or watch zero videos then chief
@@luckascaldas4090 this was obviously an exaggeration
Gow LMAO 😂
I started to get arm pain this year and switched to this mouse. It felt weird at first, but within a week it felt completely natural and now I can't go back to a regular mouse, even for gaming. The lack of features compared to the rest of the MX lineup is a pity, but it's still my favourite mouse I've ever tried.
Jokes on you I already use my mouse over the side of the table with a mouse pad glued to the side to avoid strains
crosses arms
_Hackerman_
That's even worse than normal 🤣
Your bi and triceps on your right arm must be humongous.
I did the same but mine is held in place with embedded magnets. Just strong enough to keep it from falling off, but weak enough to move without effort.
This man is _on a next lever_
guy livin in 2030
7:49 : OK on mertical mouse recommendation, but what if you want a vertical mouse recommendation??
😝
0:01 - 0:06 good movie camera angle.. almost feels like a movie
ye
Succubus I know right. It looked legit
Been using an MX vertical for several months now. It did initially take some getting used to, but I now use it across two computers with Flow, and even game with it. My wrist is very happy with the reduced strain!
Looks like a mini Alexa based on the thumbnail
This is why I love Linus' channel. He always tries something new. Love this intro, should do more like this in the future
I’m usually a really big fan of everything you do, but I feel like this could have been a lot more informative if you compared the vertical to similar style mice on Amazon. I personally have an Anker vertical mouse that costs around $20 and performs identically to how you described the Logitech vertical mouse. Watching this video turned me off to the Logitech vertical because of how it was framed as too expensive despite its health benefits, but including a segment about other cheaper vertical mice could have shown your viewers that cheap healthy options are also available. Love your work again, just thought more information could have been included!
I watched this review when it was first uploaded and just bought one one sale a 2 weeks ago. Everything that James experienced is true with the accidental "click and move" I do it all the time. The ergonomic form factor and the epected quality of the Logitech brand were worth the cost and it is insanely conformatble compared to other mice when i working on a paper, powerpoint, or spreedsheet project for extended periods. SUCKS FOR GAMING THOUGH so I have a G602 to game with.
I think it's more of a psicological issue. I did experience the "James issues" two or three times in SIX MONTHS, actually it reduced my miss/fake clicks. After this period and some hours of training I can game with it pretty well too, sometimes not so precise tho.
Why would you want to buy a $100 rodent in the first place?
Pedigree mice to enter in the rodent show
They should get a remote control rat as a joke in Linus tech tips
I know I could get like 2 $50 rodents for that price.
I can just go to my basement and procure one for free.
Comfort?! You obviously don't experience RSI.
I keep hearing "Murdical Mouse" instead of "Vertical Mouse" at 7:48
yeah wtf
I was hoping I wasn't the only person who noticed that slip up. Where can I find me some mertical mice?
yeah ive been looking for some mertical mice for a while. I thinks theirs some on sketchy chinese sites
7:50?
@@garretth0707 yeah that was just a test
My dad has one of these. Got it when he developed carpal tunnel syndrome a few years ago.
I gotta say, it's extremely comfortable to use. A bit weird for gaming (he still games with it) but for just regular use it's very nice.
As a industrial design student this kind of reviews are *SO* usefull, TYSM!!!!!
I've been gaming on a verticle mouse for over a year now. At first it was really weird but now its second nature. It makes FPS games feel like I'm holding a gun lol.
I've been using vertical ergonomic mouse for years. Cheaper ones overtime break down mechanically. This time I forked out the extra dollars and treated myself - I'm already sold on these - but the Logitech MX Vertical is FANTASTIC. Great feel, buttons well space. SOLD from the moment I put it in my hand. Highly recommended. The learning curve for newbies is only say 15 minutes max.
I keep thinking about this (for some reason, I've lately become frustrated with all my mice/trackballs). What I've gotten out of messing with one of these mice is that the missed clicks come from the fact that the mouse buttons are still engineered like you were clicking straight down. That works fine on a normal mouse because the surface the mouse is on bolsters it. There's no bolster to oppose your clicking movement, so the thing just wags a bit before anything happens. The only way aggressive clickers (which is most of us gamers) will make a vertical mouse work is if the clicks are oriented similar to or just like pistol triggers. The meat of your hand becomes that bolster. Obviously, you can't really arrange twin pistol triggers and have it work efficiently, but the direction of clicking force should simply be oriented according to the that design logic.
I've used vertical mice for a while and got this one! The ghost clicking definitely goes away once you adjust. And I've had those way cheaper vertical mice too, but it's worth getting one solid one like this. The feel is great, I can use it with all my devices, and it's the first time I haven't gotten disconnects or skips with a wireless mouse. And I do game with it haha pretty well I think
That Anker mouse you showed briefly at 7:50 is quite satisfactory. I have one. I didn't have a much trouble getting used to it and can ever use it for shooters.
THIS WAS THE STUPIDEST INTRO EVER
loved it
Your mom was the stupidest intro ever!
Love her!
+Requim Dream that doesn't make any sense
@@menti5772
Your mom doesn't make any sense!
Love her!
+Requim Dream you were a accident.if youre gonna reply,'Youre mom was a accident'well,you have no life.
@@menti5772
Your father was a accident!
Love him!
0:10 i like the reference to the enhance meme of the super troopers
i was literally waiting for the ENHANCE part XD
It's actually a reference to Blade Runner: ruclips.net/video/qHepKd38pr0/видео.html
It's a reference to f**king everything from the late 80s all the way up to the mid 90s.
Yoshie well im sorry i got the reference to that meme okay im not so geeky
That is a reference to any pseudo hitech futuristic movie that involves any kind of investigation.
I work on computers every day and then I play games for many hours every night and all weekend. I only had normal mouses and upgraded to a razer gaming mouse for a little bit in 2019. I ended up getting one of these as a gift at the end of 2019 and I will never use a normal mouse again.
I play a lot of FPS games on PC and I can only play them with this mouse, and not my razer gaming mouse. It helps my wrist and I no longer have any pain. The clicks are easy to perform and I'm not unnecessarily squeezing the mouse to click sideways as you suggested. I would recommend such a mouse for people who use computers often.. even for gaming tbh.
not that Dennis isn't an excellent model but I do miss Max!
lol
What happened to Max?
I'd rather look at Dennis than Max tbh
Anker, and Sharkk have been making vertical mice both wired, and wireless versions for years, and are the only mice I will use, and they can be had for under $20, and I've never had fantom mouse click issues. hell if you want to go cheaper there are some no name Chinese clones with better sensors than the Anker, and Shark, but their top case leaves something to be desired, but you can use the bottom piece of the Chinese clones to make a franken mouse using an Anker, or Sharkk vertical top piece for the best of both worlds.
Yes! Anker's only weakness is a fragile wheel button in some units. I get six months to two years out of an Anker vertical before the wheel breaks. I buy a few at a time, sometimes for as little as $11 each.
peetoons I've never had issues with the Anker, or Sharkk wheels in any of my mice, but the clone one I got for transplant had a wheel so bad it would not even scroll proper because it was not even fully round, and the top shell of the clone was like that rubberized plastic that melts over time, and gets gooey, and/or sticky.
Is there a specific model you'd recommend? I'm going to get one, I just am very cautious when it comes to spending so little on electronics
Razzakbane The Anker Wireless version goes upto 1600DPI, but you need to plug the usb dongle into the front of your case if you have a WiFi router near your PC, as it uses 2.4Ghz.
Wireless: www.ebay.com/itm/Anker-2-4G-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical-Mouse-800-1200-1600DPI-5-Buttons/322224312385?epid=11019365006&hash=item4b0610d041:rk:1:pf:0
But if you don't like wireless unless it's for a laptop like myself the wired version is fine, and I do have a stock wired Sharkk Basic(zero difference other than name) on my work PC on Xubuntu 18.04 with dual monitors, and gaming on Linux with it via STEAM/STEAM Play in my down time at work has been fine overall as well, just not as sensative as my franken mouse at home.
wired: www.ebay.com/itm/Anker-Ergonomic-Optical-USB-Wired-Vertical-Mouse-1000-1600-DPI-5-Buttons-CE100/302768331927?epid=21016975296&hash=item467e661c97:rk:1:pf:0
But as you might notice in the links provided, the wireless version can go down to 800 DPI if needed for some games, and also to note I've gotten my wireless one to track on just about every surface I've tried it on except glass, but I leave my wired ones on my desk at home, and my desk at work on black mouse mats so can't really comment on how good they track on odd surfaces like couch/chair fabric, leather, wood table, carpet, etc..
Edit: stay away from the Chinese no name clones unless you are using one with a higher sensor to make a franken mouse like I did as the build quality on them are utter crap.
After watching the "bones moving" part ...i need this mouse
+Jack Jackson Yo what the fuck dude. It's alright, we're all friends here.
@@JackJohnson-ht9cl calm down edgelord
Jack Johnson
Fuck them
Your bones don't do this, you got duped. Feel your arm and move it like he did. Your forearm bones don't ever overlap they are always parallel
customds
Lol are you fucking stupid. They do overlap. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to fucking twist your wrists.
I have one and I love it. Within a half a day it was like I had always been using it.
Same! I believe that if you are used to do other tasks more ergonomically, a more natural position while using the mouse will be really easy to get used to.
That skit was awesome 😅
"...Before what..."
"Before he develops RSI...and gets fired"
Man that'd be a *darn* shame
I love my Anker mouse, I have bought several for different machines. You do get used to it after some time.
At first the mouse moves when you click but you get used to it and I do not have those issues anymore. Both the wired and wireless mice are almost the exact same, so switching between them is effortless.
I've given the MX vertical mouse test runs for over a year at computer supply stores just to see how it feels. Of course, they were all immobile so I could not properly get a good 'feel' for it. I decided to get one two days ago and find that I actually love it! I've been doing graphic layout for a trade show company for almost 18 years. Working with standard 'palm down' mice (most recently a Logitech M720 mouse} has given me frozen shoulder (both sides, very painful) for over 2 years. This mouse feels so natural. I've switched back to the other mouse just to see if I wanted to go back to it. Nope, I'm sticking with the MX vertical, even without the extra features. Thank you for a great video!
0:54 Max's replacement?
He also smashed his face INTO the glass :)
Acura Addicted lol, I didn't noticed that.
Max was better, bring back Max :(
@@Daniel-cp6qm plz. Dennis is a beauty
I pre-ordered this mouse. I love it. I really only use it at work. At home, I really miss the scroll wheel and gesture button that my original MX Master has when I use the MX Vertical.
For years, I used to have pain in my right wrist every few weeks that would last for a few days. Since using this mouse this has disappeared. Correlation does not equal causation, but that's all that I changed. I've acclimated to it very nicely after a few weeks as well.
Well the modified angle from the norm could certainly contribute, i'll say. Having palms parallel to a table caused me discomfort after long periods myself
I've got 2 MX Masters, one for work and one at home, wont be switching fir quite awhile, the awesome scroll wheel and conveniently placed re programmable buttons are just awesome.
I've been using one of these for years now and it helped me a lot. For gaming I still use a normal mouse though.
I use a penguin vertical mouse at work and I hate the look of it, so I got this for home. I game on it too, I just had to take a few months to get used to it, not as good as the 502 I had, but doesn't kill my hand either
I'm thinking of buying this mouse. Why do you now game on it? Is it that it gets warm as Linux said?
@@martoantoniuk I game on it because its either that or a controller now, I get massive pain in my hands after a few minutes with a normal mouse.
The work provided Penguin Mouse (I think the name is something similar to that) I get less fatigue with that, but I hate looking at it. You’ll see why if you ever googled it.
I was also given one of those Logitech mice that has a ball on the thumb to move. It doesn’t work because for me it is the clicking that hurts, not the movement across a mousepad.
After a long enough time (maybe a month) with it I started to adjust to it, so I think I am basically as competitive as I used to be.
The mouse doesn’t get warm because I am always taking my hand off to either type, or just loosely holding it in-between mouse movements. This mouse is one where you don’t glue your hand to it for the hours of computer time.
If you get strain in your hand and especially from clicking, then I would highly recommend looking more into this.
If you have any other more specific questions let me know. I can’t be without it now
@@milk0r87 Thank you so much for the detailed explanation dude
@@martoantoniuk small adjustments you use your wrist in the vertical position but you will need to make bigger movements and will be moving with your forearm and elbow more than you do with a traditional mouse.
The trackball mouse you make no movement with your wrist and elbow but it feels very strange to rotate your thumb.
RandomFrankP has a video where he games on a trackball mouse.
I can't recommend one style over the other because I guess it is more of what works to fix the pain.
good luck, just don't ignore the pain because it just gets worse and worse if you ignore it
I use a ergonomic mouse like this one for years now. With practice, it's easy to use. This specific mouse have a high price in comparison to what you can find on Amazon.
I use the sharkk basic, it cost less but do the job for the price. I personally don't use i for gaming as everything is a little bit slower with it.
A interesting series of videos would be to create the best ergonomic work place. With each videos comparing different kind of stuff (mouse, keyboard, desk, ect).
I don't feel like this video show all the benefits of using this kind of mouse. I would be interested to see more. Work safety is not something people think about when they work at a desk. But it is as important as anything else.
Anker also makes the exact same mouse, and they are fine for normal gaming,(I would not use one for competitive play) plus they come in both wired, and wireless(just don't plug the dongle into the back of your case). there is also a no name Chinese clone floating around on eBay for even cheap that has a much better senor, so I picked one up, and ended up taking the top case off because it felt like total garbage, and put an aker top case on it, and boom better sensor, but my back/forward buttons are swapped, so I'm gonna have to take it apart, and check the wiring at some point, and it makes gaming even better with 4000 DPI which I use on dual monitors, and thinking of doing the same mod for my Sharkk wired vertical mouse I have on my work computer that has dual monitors as well.
@@diomedes7971 It takes a while to get used to, but it's actually decent for gaming. I use the same one as this guy, Sharkk Wired vertical mouse, though their is one made by Anker which is the exact same. It really did help my wrist and arm pain.
0:13 *JESUS CHRIST ITS JASON BOURNE*
I knew I wasn't the only one. I know it's a dead meme, but still...
@@larine4459 sorry bro i'm a disappointment to meme society. *feelsbadman*
jeSUS
Best mouse I have ever used. Working in front of computer 9-10 hours a day this has saved my wrists. I also use ergonomic keyboard.
0:46 Safety is the no.1 priority!😎
I haven't watched CrazyRussianHacker for years!
Must go see if he still uploads, lol.
Not getting fired is the no.1 priority.
@@M0DERN_B0REFARE same
I don't move my arm at all, or too much of my wrist, I use my fingers for mouse movement.
Me too, when he was waving his arm about I was thinking people do that? Bloody adjust your mouse settings lol.
JETWTF you want your sensitivity to be lower for fps games
...which is going to lead to RSI. Be careful.
wtf? If you ever wonder why your aim is shit that is why
I don't play fps games, so aim doesn't matter for me.
Wow is the level of production raising... but everything that raises (specially if Linus is involved) can DROP.
So what you're saying is linus is the most infamous dubstep artist ever, so infamous that every thing drops around him.
I just wanted to revisit this video and say that I bought the MX vertical mouse and am IN LOVE with it. It has significantly improved my comfort levels at the desk while through the day. The ghost clicks I found went away once I adopted to the mouse. I found that I was trying to hold the mouse too tightly. Over time, my grip relaxed and my accuracy has improved. I only wish there were more programmable keys and that the track wheel was 4D. And ofcourse... RGB would have been nice :-P I haven't tried using the mouse for FPS games... but I think it will be fun to try.
Edit: An aside - I had to switch to a 65% keyboard/mini keyboard to accommodate the sweeps that this mouse forces you to make. Probably just a me thing. I purchased a dedicated number pad for data entry tasks. All in all, I'm very happy with my new set-up.
7:55 why didn't you test these mice too? A comparison would have been great! Anker is a very good brand imo...
I have the Anker vertical mouse and it's great. Looking at the features between that and the Logitech one I think it's extremely hard to justify $80 extra dollars.
i have literally never seen linus wear something that isn't a t shirt or hoodie. This is incredible I don't even know how to react
I've been using a vertical mouse (The Anker that you showed in a screenshot towards the end) at work for a couple of years. Took me a few weeks to get comfortable with it and much longer to get accurate. Same issue that James described with the inaccurate clicking. I missed my target a lot at first. I also use a wavy keyboard, so nobody else can easily use my computer.
I had severe arm pain a while back, for almost a month and put it down to the fact I'm a programmer and game all night. I looked around and there wasn't a huge selection, especially since I've always used a mouse left-handed. With a normal mouse it's just as easy for me to use (most allow for the left and right click to be reversed if you prefer), but for a vertical mouse you have to have a different mouse for left and right handed use.
I got an Evoluent left-handed mouse (Logitech didn't have one) and my pain was gone within a week and half. I've had it about 18 months now and highly recommend that mouse and a vertical mouse in general.
They DO take a bit of getting used to (especially if you've been a heavy user for 20+ years like me) but now I'm as accurate and speedy with it as I am a normal mouse.
As a physiotherapist im very happy with the release.
Its a great product for people who have issues with carpal tunnel or pretty much anyone who has to work on their PC a lot but doesnt require pinpoint accuracy.
In my opinion the price point is too low for what it is - being a great product for a small target customer base.
Not surprised this is a Logictech mouse. Good stuff.
BEST INTRO
EVER MADE.
the wired anker vertical mouse is way cheaper and has been my daily driver for a year now. I play all my games with it including competitive games like league and dota and I've never looked back. It triples the amount of time I can game without wrist pain
+1 Have been using one of these for years at work and even gamed a few times with it - no issues, it just works.
yass
I was expecting a comparison with it and all I got was "spend five times more for logitech's pedigree"... Deeply disappointing
as someone that has used this stile of mice for years, I can definitely tell that it's 100% an experience thing, and truly honestly, my arms don't feel as sore after huge gaming sessions, work and school didn't destroy my arms, and it's not really an issue when get used to it.
Dat *commercial at the beginning tho* we need more of that
SourCan hell no that was cringy af 🙃
Shut up!
@@ce2341 it was well shot tho
16:9 again. Thank you!
I feel you
i get wrist injuries but it's not from using my mouse to long ;)
Keyboard? Piano? DICK????
injured by snu snu
EnterNameHere you realize that you are saying you are such a loser you can't get a girl or guy?
@EnterNameHere I think I may be able to help you with that~~ ;)
They call that skiing
I have the $30 Delux one. It's kind of amazing how much relief I've gotten from using it and a logitech ergo keyboard as someone who does data entry and sends emails all day long.
Just use a graphic tablet instead of a mouse so its more natural as you are controlling the movement of the cursor with a pen
a trackball would be better
I tried to play minecraft with a stylus, nope doesn't work. Crazy rotation. But Dune 2 worked like a charm (dosbox magic).
you need to change the settings on the trackpad
I am using a vertical mouse for years now doing photo retouching and video editing and feel confident to use it. It is accurate and not way off from a Graphics Tablet experience , while actually being really accurate in operation. There is nothing else, but personal taste and choice to shift to one of these.
7:48 made me want a Murtical Mouse. Made in 'Murika!
That LTT polo looks slick af! (Pun intended)
TheMrminimario IKR? I want one!
I have been using for two years and I only game with it too (sc2 and fps). Took me a couple of weeks to get used for regular work (software development). And about a month to be able to game well.
I have an Anker vertical and I've never looked back. I've had carpal tunnel before and I've not had any issues with it since.
I'm I the market for a vertical mouse. I have small hands so I was wondering if the mouse you own will benefit.
@@lilPopper honestly I don't think you'll see a difference
@@richardharvey586 ok. Thanks for your insight. I started using a vertical mouse at home and I am feeling the difference. Numbness on my fingers are still there but not as terrible as before.
I recently bought a vertical mouse and don't feel shoulder pain anymore.
Wait i might have the same problem as you. It always hurts for me when i walk for a long time or carry something heavy on my back. Did you have the same issue?
I also got rid of arm-back-shoulder painful muscles after getting an Anker vertical mouse and a proper keyboard adjustable tray by 3M. Now when I use my old regular mouse I fell my hand straining, becoming stiff and somewhat painful. I'm fully comfortable with vertical mouse though.
@@smokejumper749 its called being a weak ass bitch
Linus: "...gets fired."
Some random noises in the back: YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
Bought one of these used and I love it, very comfortable, felt natural to me almost immediately and I even find shooters perfectly playable, although I play those fairly casually.
I own an Evoluent VerticalMouse 4, which seems to have a steeper angle (nearly 90 degrees) than the Logitech Vertical Mouse (57 degrees), but I do not have any issues with the mouse moving when I click (or any strain from keeping the mouse still when I click).
The only thing I dislike about my mouse tho is the fact that it's wired, and their Bluetooth compatible mouse is for Mac only, so I am looking for alternative options. Since I am pretty used to using a vertical mouse, I don't know if I would have some of the same issues with the Logitech one that they had, but I don't want to spend $100 on a mouse that does have issues
They have 2.4ghz versions for windows. You do need the receiver yes, but it takes up the same usb port your wired one does now.
why don't they just copy a gun handle for the 90 degree angle? two "triggers" could be the left and right mouse button? Just my first thought when hearing about that "new problem" linus.
Because then mice will be training people to kill people. Just imagine using a "gun mouse" to play "violent video games" lmao
But it has to feel like you need it on the desk. I don't think a gun handle would provide that.
Wait, let's have the pointer movement be recorded from aiming this mouse pistol at the screen. Dragging stuff would be like brandishing a gun at the screen. And put removable batteries in the grip, when battery is low, you reload a new one.
Million dollar idea right there in the RUclips comments.
Windows 10 users need a gun so they can shoot the damned thing when it stops behaving like something you own and more like something that owns you. #InatallLinux2020
Grip angle varies between rifle, shotgun, pistol. And even once you break down into those sub categories, the grip angle will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer.
Oh and what you're thinking about already exists.... joystick :)
Me: Gets up
Me: Walks with wrist facing away from me
Me: Remembers LTT video intro and suddenly stops.
I have the vertical logitech, as my everyday mouse, and you learn the movement and click. I love it