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They really tried to market the gaming gear like a clothing line by listing the materials, but yet they couldn't bother to make sure everything matched.
Came to say this. I am NOT a fan of the ol' hill-finger by any means and I've never seen their website, but I thought, I'll bet that's what they do with their clothes, listing material composition first, and they think it's cute to do with other things. (It's not.)
@@ashleyjohansson230 100% that's why I won't touch a 'gaming" chair as 98% are overpriced rebranded cheap crap. I got myself a pair of nice comfy Serta chairs for work, and home at just under $300 a pop with some neck pillows, and some chair pads to sit up higher as I'm too short to hit the headrest otherwise(5ft 4in), and I could not be happier with my back not hurting from the chair, or having to deal with a cheap overprice chair that feels like it's about to fall apart at any moment.
@@ChronicleDrew Thats dropshipped from china with a custom logo printed on it. You won't find the same chair but a chair made out of the same exact materials and build quality for less than 100 on aliexpress or a wholesale company from china.
I'm worried about the hand assembled circuitry. Usually getting a person to do something is more expensive than getting a robot to do it. But that only applies if you pay the person.
Since pick and place became cheaper than cheap, it would not even make remotely sense to build those PCBs like that. My guess is: The factory just found crates of these as new old stock in some warehouse and threw them in some cheap oem products to get rid of them, while not having to pay for disposal (and cheaping out on an "acceptable" $1 HID pcb?).
@@RisingRevengeance and here they're pretending they made and designed the product themselves, whereas with the Gameboy it was still advertised as a Gameboy made by Nintendo. With Hilfiger's logo slapped on top
I think my favorite part of the false advertising is the fact that the box shows all the lights as solid red across the devices and none of them are capable of doing that. lol
It took me one year to notice that the keyboard in the set couldn't do that, even after Linus noticed that by comparing it to the mouse. lol Even the RGB lights are as consistent as the "gaming" keyboard/mouse/headphone set's USB plugs. The keyboard light marketing is the most incorrect marketing ever.
26:37 The black blob isn’t there to prevent reverse engineering, it’s a Chip-on-board covered in epoxy to protect the die, which is directly bound to the PCB ("glob-top"). That’s a high-tech manufacturing method usually only found in quality products like Happy Meal Toys and other cheap-ass electronics. Basically, the IC to simple and to cheap, to afford a housing…
back in the day you would see these black blobs to protect from reverse engineering in computers or indeed on game cartridges! but ever since then it quickly lost that function and became known as just the cheap IC option you talk about yeah
Telling Linus he's not allowed to take a device apart yet is like telling a child on Christmas Eve that they have to wait until the next day to open their gifts.
2:39 They're a clothing company. They're used to having the fabric split (e.g. 50% cotton 50%poly) for their products. Some intern probably just needed some BS numbers to satisfy a product page template that was designed for clothing
I mean, it's mildly amusing, but not what I want to see on a specs/features page of PC peripherals, especially if they don't list anything else that is actually of use.
"Ages" is relative... even if you're stuck with this crap for 6 months while your parents tell you "You had better appreciate that gift! It's from such a nice brand, you should be grateful!"
Tommy has been doing this SINCE DAY ONE!!! MANY years ago (1993) my buddy moved to Miami and UPS lost his box and I had a friend who was a manager at Burdine's (Macy's bought them out - same type store) and could give him her manager's discount so he could by clothes, but he was on a budget of $250. Of course, him being a New Yorker, he wanted "name brand" everything and he saw this Tommy Hilfiger sweatshirt and loved it even though the only notable Tommy anything was the silkscreened logo on the breast. That Shi(r)t was $99 and I told him dude just buy the champion sweater for $16 instead and he was like you can't compare. So I exposed the tag on the Tommy sweatshirt and it was literally the exact same Champion sweatshirt!!! He looked at me like oh! Screw TH and anyone partaking in these deceptive practices!
Try on a pair of really cheap, below 5 USD headphones. The bass doesn't sound like bass. Doesn't even sound like *bass*. It sounds like b̶̨̨̞̻͍̣̹͙͉͉̫̞̞̈́͐̃̈́̑̏̑̑̍̂̍̀̚̕a̵̛̱̯͇̓͊͛͋͘͝ş̵̺̠̭̻̲͙͚̤̫̯͙͆̀̆̈́̌̈́̏́̚ͅs̴̢̢̡̞͍̞̘͈̹̤̗̻̩͙̅̊̐̈́̅̆̕͝
@@rompis.a counter argument -ChiFi IEMs for 5$ which actually sound pretty good. Got 15$? You already have near 100$ audio quality from a big brand (or even more if it was a gaming headset)
Man I love how much Labs is paying off, even in the somewhat early days. Being able to go beyond "Man this is crap" and actually being able to quantify professionally _exactly why and how_ it's crap is fantastic.
I honestly can't wait for all the fucked up outliers to start piling up. The products that might have had bad reputations, but we didn't quite know why. The bugs and glitches and "features" so bizarre and dysfunctional that we're gonna be gripping our skulls wondering why a company would include them.
Companies will start paying for an 'LMG Certified' logo to be printed on their box. It's going to become the de facto standard for trustworthy equipment.
@@Raven3one As long as Linus is with the company, I'd trust it. But over the long term, I don't like that idea. Just having the test information listed in a public database is really what we need as consumers. Brands are gonna try to make their own fluff and it's best not to feed them. Like all rubber-stamp certifications, it's only a matter of time before the decision maker in-charge starts to straight-up monetize that badge. If Linus ever retires and hands his company over to someone who spends _a little too much time looking at spreadsheets_ I would worry about that changing for the worst.
LTT has gone a long way. I can vividly remember how they review a product featuring, well, the product feature only; without going in-depth with solid statistics, comparisons, or ripping it apart. The recent content with bootleg or Chinese clone products where good addition.
@@akf2000 as someone who was looking into getting into WoW again and needed peripherals from this decade, a box set so she didn’t have to worry about it was a no brainer for her, she happened upon it while we were christmas shopping for my daughter. Didn’t even notice she had put it in her cart until we were almost to checkout. As an older uneducated buyer looking to get shopping for herself out of the way without a second thought, I think she absolutely falls into the target demographic of predatory e-waste like this. Not to mention it was in a JC Penny’s, the people who shop there will certainly not tend to be educated buyers when it comes to gaming peripherals.
The "glob top" chip at 26:39 isn't an anti-reverse-engineering measure in this context (like you will see in some guitar pedals); it's actually a manufacturing cost reduction measure. At certain large manufacturing scales it can be cheaper to buy the raw chip dies, bond the wires on the board, and then smear goo on top to protect it. (I can't quite wrap my head around it). The term is "chip-on-board."
They just applied their experience from making clothes 1:1 Take the cheapest stuff you can find, put your name on it, claim it has value. Even the PCBs seems like they were hand soldered in some child labour sweatshop. Now that is dedication!
Tommy is a weird brand to buy clothing from. Some of their products are absolute shit-tier, whereas some of them are very good. Too hit and miss to get anything reliably good, though. Still, there are worse. Gucci, for example, are shit-tier no matter what you buy (and more expensive).
The fun part is that the fixed RGB colors on the keyboard could at least be used to project the Tommy logo, but obviously that would be to much effort.
Another fun part is that they show it as all red lighting on the front of the box, and there's no way to actually do that with the lighting on the items *in* the box.
I thought the same thing, that or it would cost more to manufacture and Tommy would have to either make less or charge more. Also the "big brain" exec that came up with the Tommy RGB keyboard idea probably didn't know it was an option.
@@unsaved013 only things the technically illiterate 67 year old big honchos decide, is how much money is invested into product and its development. if they say as cheap as possible, as fast as possible, that's what will happen, and this is what you will get.
The website sold gaming peripherals like clothing. Just as they tell you what percentage of cotton and wool clothes are made of, they introduced keyboards and mouse using ABS and metal as specifications. 😂
This feels like a product idea that was pitched 8 years ago, got forgotten about, then someone dug it up and was like "oh snap, we should try to recoup some money on this and sell it!" Listing 5+ year old console compatability cracked me up
This is nearly the exact same kit I bought at Walmart for $25 last year. Like the mouse is identical, the headset is nearly identical, etc. Mine is "Game Onn" Branded. For $25, it's not a horrible little kit - I'm still using the KB and headset at this point. They're not amazing, they're not horrible. For $150? All I can say to that is lol. Bonus points for the fact that my $25 kit came with a decent enough mousepad as well that I'm still using over a year later.
Yeah, for $25 if this had came with a decent mousepad too, I would have loved this as a kid. Iused a keyboard with 2 dead keys for like a whole year as a kid, so this would have been great. But for $150 in 2023? No. Just no.
I once bought an onikuma branded kit like this and its exactly the same product minus the headset the exact same kit is sold by a brand named runmus its literally a generic keyboard and mouse
It was kinda demonstrated at length in this very video that they're horrible. You might have wanted to say serviceable. Even then, I probably wouldn't agree. You just wasted $25 instead of $150.
I really appreciate that one of the lab's first suite of test reports is to absolute obliterate a fashion designer trying to leech revenue from the gaming community. Fight the good fight, LITT
This infuriates me. I’m into my fashion more than anything and even worked for Tommy Hilfiger in 2021. The amount of training I had to do on how they are creating sustainable products and how they are at the “forefront” of turning the fashion industry greener, yet they come out with absolute garbage like this. The hypocrisy is unbearable and I hate being pandered to by these big brands that want to act like they making changes. Guarantee these will be in outlets and landfill within 10 years.
I work at another big competitor as a extra job. The fashion industry is a dirty business poluting our planet... they speak about making changes but its all greenwashing
"The amount of training I had to do on how they are creating sustainable products and how they are at the “forefront” of turning the fashion industry greener" I'm sorry to say, but if you believed that indoctrination you are extremely naïve.. I'm not trying to put you down, I'm just pointing out a fact
@@tragikk03 your viewpoints are shaped by your paradigm, very small minded of you to rip on someone who took in new information to reshape what they thought to be true. Imagine that, if only we could all be as gifted and smart as you, your critical thinking skills are clearly above every other humans. While the rest of us continue on absorbing new information and changing opinions I can rest easy there is one perfect human who has never been wrong in any opinion. Congrats on being the smartest human you won!
This is one of those products they put in the miscellaneous section of a Macys to trick parents who don't know better. Little Timmy's birthday is coming up and he loves gaming and Tommy Hilfiger must be top quality!
*LTT* : _Spends 3 years designing a screwdriver because they Linus won't accept the color of the accent in the handle being slightly different than he wants it. Sells it for $70._ *Tommy Hilfiger* : _Buys the cheapest Chinese products they can find for $10, doesn't even bother checking if they are complete, slaps their logo on the box, sells it as a $150 luxury item._ Know your brand before you buy lol
@@RealEpikCartfrenYT A ratcheting screwdriver with integrated bit storage is $10 at the bare minimum. A ratcheting screwdriver that has a magnet and is the least bit ergonomic to use one-handed starts at $20. Of course there are also higher quality options that may not be in stock at the local hardware store, Snap-On charges $80 for just the handle for example.
Tommy Hilfiger is one of those "designer" brands I associate with being on permanent clearance at Macy's. The kind of thing where the MSRP is artificially high to trick unsuspecting grandparents into thinking it's a great deal when they find it in the bargain bin for 70% off. The only thing that surprises me about this video is that they were ever considered a respectable brand. That was before my time I guess.
They have always been one of the brands that you just buy because of the name. Kind of like beats before Apple bought them; not the worst, but very overpriced just for Dre's name.
That marketing on the website screams "I normally do the clothes and never have done a tech before and in no way do I need to do anything different when describing the item"
Exactly, that's why they list the materials that it's made out of, because it's an important piece of information when you're buying clothes. Their e-shop template is probably programmed to always display the materials in that spot on the page and they couldn't be bothered to change the layout for their tech products.
I gotta say, when you started unpacking the price equivalent products, it actually brought a warm feeling to my heart. The direct contrast between a company that just wants money vs a company that actually cares about delivering a quality product and also understands the needs and wants of their costumers is drastic. It actually made me appreciate certain companies and products even more.
both of them try to rip you off but tommy really want to rip you off without giving a damn about his name. There is no Comnapy in the world that sell things and want you to have the best Money for quality ...
You're acting like peripherals coming from Steelseries, Razer or even the high-standard of Logitech are paired to what they cost to be produced. Any of them try to rip you off, you just are so unaware of the subtle establishments of the market that you don't even get to see it. Like, do you think they setting their lowest mouse at $30 has to do with the client's response? then having a mildly better sensor with the same chasis and sell it for $100?
The "anti reverse-engineering shmoo" as you call it is a drop of epoxy , it's here to protect the integrated circuit from being damaged. It's a Chip-on-Board design, meaning the silicon chip is directly mounted to the PCB, with no packaging. It's sometimes used to save pennies on very large scale productions. (26:40)
Anyone who has experience with cheap (understatement) gaming gear will easily recognise that mouse design. It's actually called Redgear A-15 and costs less than $10 and they pretty much just removed redgear's logo and slapped their own. It's also possible that they just used the same manufacturer which is pretty common with Chinese products (same thing being sold under different brand names).
As person who uses cheap mouse and keyboards your speaking faxs not even 1 word was wrong in your sentens evrything is faxs just chines products sold by company for 10x the Price
White label has nothing to do with it being Chinese though. There are manufacturers everywhere in the world who sell white labeled products. It's just more prominently Chinese because they have cheap manufacturing so more companies resort to them.
These weren't meant to actually be sold for $150. They were meant to end up on TJ Maxx, Marshalls and/or Ross's shelves to be sold at an 90% discount like the rest of Tommy's products lol
Ok, this set is just something you find at JC Penny around Christmas time. It's one of those "Last minute perfect gift" things they've got lined down the middle of every aisle. Nobody bought this for themselves. A grandma or a parent or someone who knows nothing bought this for someone else who, likely knows nothing.
That "anti reverse engineering schmoo" is actually literally the IC package itself in that case, if you're pumping out a bazillion cheap boards it's more cost effective to put a bare die directly on the PCB and run the bond wires onto the board without a package in between. You then need a blob of epoxy to keep everything in one piece.
That's what I thought too, I recall seeing that blob was always being a sign of cheap/knockoff electronics (it's a big and obvious tell for if a cartridge-based game is a bootleg and not an original for example). I was confused when Linus said it was to prevent reverse-engineering.
Agreed, not anti reverse engineering schmoo. The correct terminology is Chip On Board (COB) and is very common for high volume, low complexity products. For example, the very common text LCDs that show 2 lines of 16 characters, are universally COB construction. Greeting cards that have any electronics (music, voice..) are also COB. All digital Calipers too. The black epoxy provides environmental protection of the chip, but even more importantly, it protects the thinner than hair bond wires between the chip and the PCB.
It would be funny if they forced their employees to buy it. I forgot what company did that before, but they made their employees buy their products (EDIT: Abercrombie and Fitch)
is it possible that there was a mad rush on them when the video premiered so people could make their own small time videos of how cringe these things are?
@@Ehh..... To be fair to Yvonne, she does know her style and fashion better than most. She always looks dollars and Linus always looks dollars. The kids too! tl/dr bit : See I always prefer people the way are, I won't like a person more for having nicer clothes; but 99.99% of others would lol so she's got that right. I mean *who cares if one guy you never met or will meet thinks your hair looked better natural* ? It's barely a complaint, I think just because I have seen many friends completely change after marriage... I am always going to say never let your misses choose your clothing, beard, food, or anything else she won't be using personally.
Fun fact about the black blob, It actually might be a Chip On Board (or COB) where they take a bare die, glue it to the pcb and dump shmoo all over it. It is marginally cheaper than actual packaging, but that's not surprising looking at the rest of the gear.
@@mikeycrackson Protecting the bond wires and the die from light. Certain wavelengths can upset silicon quite a bit, xenon flash for example is enough to temporary brick a chip.
@@DrakkarCalethiel That's right. Sometimes manufacturers omit the schmoo and that screws them over. Eg the Raspberry Pi 2 did it for a bare-die chip and that caused the board to reset or lock up when you shine a bright light on it or use flash photography.
This is by far my favourite type of content your guys create (also anything to do with Alex and crazy engineering projects), please keep doing more of these teardowns.
Fashion brands are so used to sell sweatshop cheap fabrics at exorbitant prices I'm not even surprised to see they try to pull the same scam with other products. Still, super entertaining and educational video, Linus!
Yeah, it's easy to sell cheap but comfortable enough fabric in something like a t-shirt (as long as it's good enough not to be scratchy), but if you cheap out on electronics it's super obvious to anyone who knows anything
This is basically an amazing example how some fashion companies work. They buy some cheap trash, put their logos on it and sell the product with a huge profit.
I actually started barreling out laugher at 15:05, I mean, that keyboard is SO BAD that it got Linus to talk up the $5 LENOVO OEM KEYBOARD like it is a premium product.
Love the debunking part. Especially the part where Linus doesn't know all the info and gets to react to it. Would be great to see more of this type of content.
Please, for the love for all of us, please do more of these REALLY SHITTY reviews and analysis. It's amazing and i haven't laughed this hard in a long time.
@G T I don't think it would do them any good. Wouldn't give them a better brand image, and neither other companies would trust them as much as they do now. I think the way they function now is perfect. Just show the people how bad a product is, and that has as much weight as a court decision I'd say.
Please notice that when Linus drops the keyboard to the table at 15:23, Doom guy jumps. If you drop a keyboard, the keyboard should not take that as if the user of the keyboard is typing on it. This indicates the keyboard is bad, smt Linus already said.
The labs team research and statistics being tied into the video is spot on.... Do more of this type of content with the lab team on other products... Really appreciate the work they put in.
@@zayd1111 It is money in the company, but linus owns the company. At a whim linus can pay that money to himself and no one can tell him otherwise. Therefore, it is his money that he is opting to leave in the company.
This says a lot about how TH see their customer. Not so much into tech, but love the brand. I guess they took the same approach as they do with their clothing line - find the cheapest sweatshop manufacturer, put the label, and sell as a premium product. Well done. I am sure their stock is doing great.
Let's be honest. The person who did the procurement on this product only had experience with clothing procurement. They did not even own a high-quality product to compare against.l; or if they did, they did not understand why they are as they are.
Bro TH is shit, I bought 130$ shoes from them and they fell apart 3-4 months after and the only places where I wore them was mall and other stores and in my house...very disappointed in them...Im definitely sticking with Adidas and Puma
HAHAHA I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TOMMY HILFIGER WAS THINKING: "Oh, well, customers want to know what their clothing is made of, so surely they must want to know the composition of their gaming gear too!" I died when they said 10% metal(like they're all made the same) and again when they said the headset is 10% sponge. Maybe that was just boomer humour about how a clothing company is going into gaming gear.
The headset and mouse composition I am almost sure is supposed to just be an extension of how they list fabric materials of their clothing. I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously at all.
I think they simply gave it to their website content management team which seems to have no clue about anything tech or have instructions to always list materials and just didn't care saying sth
@@luckylukeskywalker Yeah I can just imagine them walking up to the web team to add this to the website, them being lost in confusion and wondering what they're looking at or even supposed to put on the website, and the product team to just be like "Just put it up that same as how you would everything else"
Addressing the 5k dip on the Arctis. It’s a very common issue for closed back headphones/headsets. A common issue with engineering closed backs is phase cancelling, and one of the problem frequencies (even with good engineering) is commonly in 4.8k-5k range. Obviously, by the differences in measurements by the Arctis and the Tommy, engineering a closed back headphone is hard. It looks to me like the manufacturers of the Tommy just slapped a driver into a closed off chassis and called it a day where Steelseries actually bothered to r&d their product (probably because they did).
25:28 What you are describing is rollover, not ghosting. Ghosting is when you press a certain amount of keys, and you get an unpressed key outputted. Rollover refers to how many keys you are guaranteed to be able to press. Pretty much every keyboard made today does not have ghosting issues. Due to this confusion, marketing teams will use the term anti-ghosting because they know that most people do not know the difference and assume it refers to rollover. As a rubber dome over membrane keyboard, this keyboard has 2 key rollover, not 3 (I would guess pressing W, E, & D would prove this). The 6 key hard limit is because they are using the basic USB keyboard driver which only allows a max of 6 keys even if the board itself were to electrically support N-key rollover. This limit with USB is why in the early days, some gamers would prefer using PS/2 keyboards.
Linus is on fire in this one. Not sure why, but he is enjoying himself and he's full of energy (and not "I had too much coffee energy", but "a love my job" kind of energy). I had a great time watching this. Thanks!
I got mechanical keyboard for 13 euro. Its Marvo KG954, and on the rollover test i was able to press 30 keys at once. The keyboard feels heavy and really comfortable. You can imagine the quality difference between the one in the video and mine. I talk about 13 euro keyboard.
@@sarc143 They sold out, according to them. If the product plops they can just lie about it and stop selling them. They are able to maintain absurd margins under the illusion that they are quality so lying about the success of a product keeps the illusion going. That or they genuinely did sell out because the product was immediately placed in bargain bins. Which I hear is not uncommon for this brand which makes people think they are getting a good deal.
Yeah cos its definitely a feature not a bug that all US money is the same size and colour making it harder to tell apart - blind people need an app to tell it apart cos it all feels the same
I thought it was a shame that he's pandering to idiot Americans who forget other countries exist. American physical currency is pretty much the worst of any developed nation.
@@meaninglesskibble dude, the entire US government hasn’t been after deaf people for over 100 years to have them make counting errors when paying. Nobody has ever thought that was a conspiracy lol
Instantly one of your best videos! Labs-team smashed this one, so cool to see actual data of how bad is really bad! Also really liked that you gave the audience the comparison what that money actually buys. While we as LTT regular viewers and tech-lovers know, that info is really good to get into more mainstream and brands like Tommy Hilfiger are excellent to getting viewers like that. Great job everyone on this video!
I thought this is one of the worst videos, basically listen Linus moan for 30 minutes about the most boring products ever made. This could have been a 3 minute video, or have multiple products from different "designer brands".
The thing is, they would have to sell at a decent price. And that's a no-no for these brands. They NEED to take the most amount of your money possible, spending as little as possible of theirs. That's how they are big as they are haha
@@RisingRevengeancethey could use this as marketing instead. Like show off someone wearing TH while gaming with logitech X TH gear. And you get special bundle price
wow, it's great to see the LTT lab team produce such detailed results. Imagine how many other products can be quality tested for the consumers. Keep up the great work y'all!
As someone who uses a $40 MECHANICAL keyboard I was recommended in a YT video, this made me appreciate it more than anything. I feel bad for the kids that got this set as a gift and are forced to use this genuinely hindering “gaming” set by their parents. I’d definitely give my kids the actual gaming set LTT used as a gift over the Tommy Hilfiger set.
I think it's hilarious that Tommy Hilfinger advertised this like it was clothing. They listed what it's made of and even put cleaning instructions in there lmao.
the unfortunate thing about these products is that they're marketed as non enthusiasts but still leverage the hilfiger brand recognition. there will be a lot of very well meaning parents, grandparents and relatives that fall into these traps
I need to clarify something that I believe often confuses people, specifically in the portion of the video where Linus discusses the mouse featuring the Hero sensor and Lightspeed dongle. All Bluetooth devices, GPS, radios, cellphones, and dongles transmit signals at the speed of light. However, the key question to consider is how much data the device can send and how much data the dongle can process. While this might not significantly impact the performance of a mouse, these factors do play a crucial role in determining the overall responsiveness of a device.
This product was clearly meant to be on the shelf at Dillard's to be bought by rich grandparents that equate quality to popular clothing brands (especially in the 90s), but it will only sell for $40 when it shows up at Ross and Marshall's next Christmas lol
The thing that really bakes my noodle is the branding on the keyboard. It's obvious the indent for the silkscreen is meant for a logo that has completely different dimensions, so they've just scaled the Hilfiger logo down to fit, making the spacing look absolutely abysmal. Love the fully integrated wrist rest too.
I am a long time viewer, and I just wanted to say thank you for the way you present your sponsor messages at the beginning of the videos. You keep it short and to the point, to where it’s not even worth fast forwarding past it. I hope your sponsors understand the value of that. I also love your content :)
I only discovered LTT a few months back and I just can't get enough, the algorithm shows me these type of videos at the top of my feed and I click'em every time
I still can't believe the fact that Linus came so far from shooting one-take videos on a crappy camera, to being a leader of a company filled with such professional people. Every single video on this channel is top notch and Im so happy that now they have actual lab data to back their opinions. This channel is going to change the entire tech world!
They pretty much do influence the entire industry on a regular basis, tech companies employ full-time industry analysts just to watch the LMG channels and forums to determine current and future trends as well as to gauge market reaction to their products.
Most of their videos the last few years have been extremely rushed to fill their 1 video a day quota. Most of their videos are poorly researched and just some entertainment with tech as a back thought. This one and the Windows one are one of the few that stand out. For GPU/CPU reviewing, they are amongst the worst out there and use "The labs" are basically a buzzword, because even with so many qualified people, they still review way less and in way less detail. Response times and audio spectrum and weird janky stuff is pretty much the only thing they have on other channels like Hardware Unboxed, Gamer's Nexus.
Alex and Linus in a video together, that's when you know there's gonna be some laughs, some cringe, and some destruction. My fave kinds of LTT videos. Loved the labs contributions as well.
Getting the actual statistics and values for the products is such an amasing thing. I really love that you have the capabilities to do these types of mesurements. Huge fan.
@@username8644 Bruh. Linus actually talked about this kind of topic before. Don't blame it on Linus. Blame it on the algorithm. It's how videos nowadays get more views.
@@username8644 "Third, I realize that those videos get more views, but I was simply asking to have more advanced videos like they used to release." Linus Media Group has provided us with other channel genre like for example, Techquickie, explaining specific stuff like GPUs, CPUs, etc. "The only videos that still feel authentic LTT are the videos with Alex or when Linus makes a video about their servers, everything else is just targeting the mass population and barely can even be considered "techy"." I mean that's true but they have to upload other stuff. If you really wanted to know if they did "advanced" project, take a look at their floatplane and subscribed there and see if they had any project going on. It's on a upload schedule by the way. Overall, that's true but it is what it is. They need to change content. Nothing can stay old forever.
That 6-key rollover on the keyboard is actually a USB limitation. Any USB keyboard that has N-key rollover has added firmware to enable it. If you take almost any USB keyboard from, let's say 2010 or prior, it will most likely have the same problem. The reason Linus was able to play Liero in 1997 was because he had PS2 keyboard.
That's how they did it on cheapo USB keyboards in the early 2000's, you can't legit even type a document if it isn't, note that at the time a cheap generic would still focus the zones two for left side gaming two for right side then one for rando and one for numpad. They couldn't get that right in 20220's when the friggen blueprints how to do it right can be legally just downloaded off some rando website by anyone 0.o
The problem is not the 6 key rollover, i think its quite common on cheap keyboards, the problem is the zone thing, cuz you can be pressing W D and Shift to run diagonally in a game and then you can't jump, or something like that. 6-key is not that bad, "3-key sometimes" is terrible.
My DasKeyboard comes with a USB to PS/2 adapter that lets you have n-key rollover, I like that too because it saves me an extra USB slot for other stuff instead of keyboard
Linus, I want to thank you. You, RandomGamingInHD, Dawid, and Austin Evans were my only comfort after I lost my grandma last year. I stayed up all night watching you guys, and I have so much gratitude towards you for that. Thank you, LTT. Edit: Thank you guys for all the support, it's truly heartwarming. You've all made my day.
7:53 i got some random keyboard from 4 years ago wich is like fully the same as that keyboard but not with the brand name (like for real the same keyboard)
I tried looking this up to see if they lowered the price or something. Turns out, they removed it from every store ever... Good move to be honest, and at least they aren't just clearance selling it all. I wouldn't pay £20 for that crap.
At 26:41 that isn't anti reverse engineer schmoo, it's a chip that doesn't have a casing on its own, the board is directly connected into the silicon then "encased" in black resin. Its called chip on board and it's very common, specially on very cheap very high production electronics.
I am sure it is a lie and they just pulled the product but the product page now says "We're sorry, this product was so popular, we've sold out." Nice job LTT!!
I went to a Tommy Hilfiger and Ralph Lauren store last year and the quality of clothes was absolutely awful, they're nothing but "brands" which cheap manufacturers pay to use their logo on whatever crap they want to pump out, they can't even been bothered to do due diligence anymore.
@@briancollins7296 you would send your grandma to therapy for not knowing anything about gaming hardware other than rgb leds are cool? You must be a real pain to get gifts for around christmas.
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The fog is coming.
in the background was listing replacement items too, had g305 and ss nova too hahaha, but with redragon k530
They really tried to market the gaming gear like a clothing line by listing the materials, but yet they couldn't bother to make sure everything matched.
Came to say this. I am NOT a fan of the ol' hill-finger by any means and I've never seen their website, but I thought, I'll bet that's what they do with their clothes, listing material composition first, and they think it's cute to do with other things. (It's not.)
People are laughing at this but spend 300+ dollars on gaming chairs that are being dropshipped from aliexpress for 50 dollars lol.
@@ashleyjohansson230 100% that's why I won't touch a 'gaming" chair as 98% are overpriced rebranded cheap crap. I got myself a pair of nice comfy Serta chairs for work, and home at just under $300 a pop with some neck pillows, and some chair pads to sit up higher as I'm too short to hit the headrest otherwise(5ft 4in), and I could not be happier with my back not hurting from the chair, or having to deal with a cheap overprice chair that feels like it's about to fall apart at any moment.
@@ashleyjohansson230 yes yes let me see you get a secret labs chair for less then $150 not all gaming chairs are bs
@@ChronicleDrew Thats dropshipped from china with a custom logo printed on it. You won't find the same chair but a chair made out of the same exact materials and build quality for less than 100 on aliexpress or a wholesale company from china.
I absolutely love how they put "10% sponge" on the headset materials, hardest I've laughed in a while
10% IMPORTED sponge
I know these headphones. They used to sell them in yellow black for about 20 usd, without RGB.
and 2% sound
seems like their clothes marketing department were given these and just didn't notice they were electronics
I think the brains of the person coming up with this set is the other 90% sponge.
I'm worried about the hand assembled circuitry. Usually getting a person to do something is more expensive than getting a robot to do it. But that only applies if you pay the person.
As soon as he held the PCB up to the camera I immediately pictured some poor guy hunched over a crowded assembly line in Shenzhen...
Since pick and place became cheaper than cheap, it would not even make remotely sense to build those PCBs like that. My guess is: The factory just found crates of these as new old stock in some warehouse and threw them in some cheap oem products to get rid of them, while not having to pay for disposal (and cheaping out on an "acceptable" $1 HID pcb?).
If they are paid. They’re paying for minimal effort.
I mean they're just offering career opportunities to their "junior" sewing experts, right?
So slave powered sweatshop, just as fashion industry standards dictate.
The product spec sheet was probably written by a clothing merchandiser. That bundle belongs in the clothing section of Target.
I love struggling for a job as a product design engineer, then seeing that someone was actually paid with actual money to create this box of e-waste.
lmaooo "box of e-waste" could never be a better fit anywhere else
This funny and depressing
gotta fucking love capitalism and the reserve labor huh?
Gotta love how they said it cost 150 "real dollars," then disclaimed they meant American fiat..
@@innocentbystander3317 real dollars meaning not Canadian dollars. It wasn't a jab at fiat currency
Fun fact, Tommy Hilfiger actually got into the gaming industry over two decades ago with a special edition Game Boy Color with their logo on it.
That's the GBC I had as a kid actually! lol
Downright inoffensive compared to this XD
@@RisingRevengeance and here they're pretending they made and designed the product themselves, whereas with the Gameboy it was still advertised as a Gameboy made by Nintendo. With Hilfiger's logo slapped on top
That is a fun fact.
Except since it was a branded Nintendo product it probably wasn't an utterly inexcusable heap of shit.
I think my favorite part of the false advertising is the fact that the box shows all the lights as solid red across the devices and none of them are capable of doing that. lol
Oh bruh I just realised that lol
Isn't the headset read
@@capanator3036 indeed that the only one where the picture is right …
It took me one year to notice that the keyboard in the set couldn't do that, even after Linus noticed that by comparing it to the mouse. lol Even the RGB lights are as consistent as the "gaming" keyboard/mouse/headphone set's USB plugs. The keyboard light marketing is the most incorrect marketing ever.
26:37 The black blob isn’t there to prevent reverse engineering, it’s a Chip-on-board covered in epoxy to protect the die, which is directly bound to the PCB ("glob-top"). That’s a high-tech manufacturing method usually only found in quality products like Happy Meal Toys and other cheap-ass electronics. Basically, the IC to simple and to cheap, to afford a housing…
It reminded me NES and famicon game cartridges(without plastic cover obviously) i had as a kid 25 years ago.
"Quality products like Happy Meal Toys" got me dead 💀
back in the day you would see these black blobs to protect from reverse engineering in computers or indeed on game cartridges! but ever since then it quickly lost that function and became known as just the cheap IC option you talk about yeah
@@smrqdt Im currently in the process of trying to fix a pinball machine with one of those chips, and its the thing thats broken....
Telling Linus he's not allowed to take a device apart yet is like telling a child on Christmas Eve that they have to wait until the next day to open their gifts.
They didn't even test to see if it was waterproof! =P
the way he whipped out that screwdriver just screamed "oh boy here we go!"
scripted
@@violetwhite6875 yes ik but it's funny
lol yah
2:39 They're a clothing company. They're used to having the fabric split (e.g. 50% cotton 50%poly) for their products. Some intern probably just needed some BS numbers to satisfy a product page template that was designed for clothing
It's likely an actual marketing choice they think is cute.
@@realjettlagor that....
@@realjettlag well i liked it, probably my favourite part of the entire product.
though yes, not really your typical marketing stuff
I mean, it's mildly amusing, but not what I want to see on a specs/features page of PC peripherals, especially if they don't list anything else that is actually of use.
They even put the effort into measuring the "5% battey in printed circuit board"
I feel so bad for the kids out there who got this from their grandparents for christmas and will be stuck with it for ages.
Do people get 150$ gifts from their grandparents? 😮
@@marc-y5e yea atleast mine do
You really think this piece of crap will last for ages?
"Ages" is relative... even if you're stuck with this crap for 6 months while your parents tell you "You had better appreciate that gift! It's from such a nice brand, you should be grateful!"
@@cowboysfan1996 my grandma died before she could give me a gift I've got nothing
Tommy has been doing this SINCE DAY ONE!!!
MANY years ago (1993) my buddy moved to Miami and UPS lost his box and I had a friend who was a manager at Burdine's (Macy's bought them out - same type store) and could give him her manager's discount so he could by clothes, but he was on a budget of $250. Of course, him being a New Yorker, he wanted "name brand" everything and he saw this Tommy Hilfiger sweatshirt and loved it even though the only notable Tommy anything was the silkscreened logo on the breast. That Shi(r)t was $99 and I told him dude just buy the champion sweater for $16 instead and he was like you can't compare. So I exposed the tag on the Tommy sweatshirt and it was literally the exact same Champion sweatshirt!!! He looked at me like oh!
Screw TH and anyone partaking in these deceptive practices!
Bruh champion are good blanks, almost every brand ever has used champion at one point
@@theINQBS only time tommy is worth anything is if its thrifted lol fr
"the bass somehow manages to overpower everything yet be inadequate"
Linus truly sounds like an audiophile
Definitely not recommended for FL Studio mastering.
Try on a pair of really cheap, below 5 USD headphones.
The bass doesn't sound like bass. Doesn't even sound like *bass*. It sounds like b̶̨̨̞̻͍̣̹͙͉͉̫̞̞̈́͐̃̈́̑̏̑̑̍̂̍̀̚̕a̵̛̱̯͇̓͊͛͋͘͝ş̵̺̠̭̻̲͙͚̤̫̯͙͆̀̆̈́̌̈́̏́̚ͅs̴̢̢̡̞͍̞̘͈̹̤̗̻̩͙̅̊̐̈́̅̆̕͝
@@rompis.a yea fr lmao
@@rompis.a counter argument -ChiFi IEMs for 5$ which actually sound pretty good. Got 15$? You already have near 100$ audio quality from a big brand (or even more if it was a gaming headset)
@@rompis.a What kind of ASCII sorcery is that on your bass word oO, i've never seen that b4.
Man I love how much Labs is paying off, even in the somewhat early days.
Being able to go beyond "Man this is crap" and actually being able to quantify professionally _exactly why and how_ it's crap is fantastic.
I honestly can't wait for all the fucked up outliers to start piling up. The products that might have had bad reputations, but we didn't quite know why. The bugs and glitches and "features" so bizarre and dysfunctional that we're gonna be gripping our skulls wondering why a company would include them.
Companies will start paying for an 'LMG Certified' logo to be printed on their box. It's going to become the de facto standard for trustworthy equipment.
@@Raven3one As long as Linus is with the company, I'd trust it. But over the long term, I don't like that idea. Just having the test information listed in a public database is really what we need as consumers. Brands are gonna try to make their own fluff and it's best not to feed them.
Like all rubber-stamp certifications, it's only a matter of time before the decision maker in-charge starts to straight-up monetize that badge. If Linus ever retires and hands his company over to someone who spends _a little too much time looking at spreadsheets_ I would worry about that changing for the worst.
LTT has gone a long way. I can vividly remember how they review a product featuring, well, the product feature only; without going in-depth with solid statistics, comparisons, or ripping it apart.
The recent content with bootleg or Chinese clone products where good addition.
Holy crap my mother in law almost got this for herself for christmas and I stopped it from happening. So happy to hear you guys tearing into this
Is she even the target market
@@akf2000 as someone who was looking into getting into WoW again and needed peripherals from this decade, a box set so she didn’t have to worry about it was a no brainer for her, she happened upon it while we were christmas shopping for my daughter.
Didn’t even notice she had put it in her cart until we were almost to checkout. As an older uneducated buyer looking to get shopping for herself out of the way without a second thought, I think she absolutely falls into the target demographic of predatory e-waste like this.
Not to mention it was in a JC Penny’s, the people who shop there will certainly not tend to be educated buyers when it comes to gaming peripherals.
@@yetsumari hahaha "predatory e-waste" Linus should've used that line
You just saved her $150 of disappointment.
Only women buy themselves Christmas gifts.
The "glob top" chip at 26:39 isn't an anti-reverse-engineering measure in this context (like you will see in some guitar pedals); it's actually a manufacturing cost reduction measure. At certain large manufacturing scales it can be cheaper to buy the raw chip dies, bond the wires on the board, and then smear goo on top to protect it. (I can't quite wrap my head around it). The term is "chip-on-board."
They just applied their experience from making clothes 1:1
Take the cheapest stuff you can find, put your name on it, claim it has value.
Even the PCBs seems like they were hand soldered in some child labour sweatshop. Now that is dedication!
Tommy is a weird brand to buy clothing from. Some of their products are absolute shit-tier, whereas some of them are very good. Too hit and miss to get anything reliably good, though.
Still, there are worse. Gucci, for example, are shit-tier no matter what you buy (and more expensive).
@@bravethomasyt Well Gucci also tries to make their products look as tacky and cheap as possible, just to warn customers I guess.
Cant believe they didn't test if the keyboard truly was waterproof, I was waiting for that moment the entire video
They knew as well as you and I, that it is objectively obviously not waterproof.
Testing that would be a waste of water
@@mohammedaminefarid8389 fr
Its a membrane keyboard, it most likely would have worked.
@@bdhale34 its a membrane keyboard, its most likely fine in water
The fun part is that the fixed RGB colors on the keyboard could at least be used to project the Tommy logo, but obviously that would be to much effort.
Another fun part is that they show it as all red lighting on the front of the box, and there's no way to actually do that with the lighting on the items *in* the box.
I thought the same thing, that or it would cost more to manufacture and Tommy would have to either make less or charge more. Also the "big brain" exec that came up with the Tommy RGB keyboard idea probably didn't know it was an option.
@@unsaved013 only things the technically illiterate 67 year old big honchos decide, is how much money is invested into product and its development. if they say as cheap as possible, as fast as possible, that's what will happen, and this is what you will get.
I thought the same thing.
The website sold gaming peripherals like clothing. Just as they tell you what percentage of cotton and wool clothes are made of, they introduced keyboards and mouse using ABS and metal as specifications. 😂
This feels like a product idea that was pitched 8 years ago, got forgotten about, then someone dug it up and was like "oh snap, we should try to recoup some money on this and sell it!" Listing 5+ year old console compatability cracked me up
And a 12 year old console as well. It's just insane.
Can't wait to use it on my ps vita!
both consoles were 12 years old, it was for vita and nintendo 3ds, both launched in 2011 @@da.c
@@AppzyCat the fact that the ps4 wasnt even out at the time of ps vita release is incredible haha
This is nearly the exact same kit I bought at Walmart for $25 last year. Like the mouse is identical, the headset is nearly identical, etc. Mine is "Game Onn" Branded. For $25, it's not a horrible little kit - I'm still using the KB and headset at this point. They're not amazing, they're not horrible. For $150? All I can say to that is lol. Bonus points for the fact that my $25 kit came with a decent enough mousepad as well that I'm still using over a year later.
Yeah, for $25 if this had came with a decent mousepad too, I would have loved this as a kid. Iused a keyboard with 2 dead keys for like a whole year as a kid, so this would have been great.
But for $150 in 2023? No. Just no.
I once got one for $15 and it came with six battery powered hex lights.
I once bought an onikuma branded kit like this and its exactly the same product minus the headset
the exact same kit is sold by a brand named runmus
its literally a generic keyboard and mouse
Honestly 25 is still too much.
It was kinda demonstrated at length in this very video that they're horrible. You might have wanted to say serviceable. Even then, I probably wouldn't agree. You just wasted $25 instead of $150.
I really appreciate that one of the lab's first suite of test reports is to absolute obliterate a fashion designer trying to leech revenue from the gaming community. Fight the good fight, LITT
I legit forgot these guys existed haven't seen or heard anything about them snice early 2000s
Tommy clothes are piss poor in quality as well. Everything is just about the status of the brand.
Trouble is the people that would buy this are still just doing it for the name and wont bother looking for any reviews.
@@andrewt.5567 That's the thing with these yuppie brands. Diesel is another example.
9:05 that One Direction joke was spot on 💀👌
The website now says "We're sorry, this product was so popular, we've sold out.". LMAO
😂
Lmao
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Im sure it was popular. i bought one for my kids just to make sure they shut their computer off in rage and went outside.
I can't find it on the website. Did they remove it now?
This infuriates me. I’m into my fashion more than anything and even worked for Tommy Hilfiger in 2021. The amount of training I had to do on how they are creating sustainable products and how they are at the “forefront” of turning the fashion industry greener, yet they come out with absolute garbage like this. The hypocrisy is unbearable and I hate being pandered to by these big brands that want to act like they making changes. Guarantee these will be in outlets and landfill within 10 years.
I work at another big competitor as a extra job. The fashion industry is a dirty business poluting our planet... they speak about making changes but its all greenwashing
Did you see the handmade pcb 🤤
"The amount of training I had to do on how they are creating sustainable products and how they are at the “forefront” of turning the fashion industry greener"
I'm sorry to say, but if you believed that indoctrination you are extremely naïve.. I'm not trying to put you down, I'm just pointing out a fact
Are they using Made in China garments made from cotton harvested by ethnic forced-labor in Xinjiang by any chance?
@@tragikk03 your viewpoints are shaped by your paradigm, very small minded of you to rip on someone who took in new information to reshape what they thought to be true. Imagine that, if only we could all be as gifted and smart as you, your critical thinking skills are clearly above every other humans. While the rest of us continue on absorbing new information and changing opinions I can rest easy there is one perfect human who has never been wrong in any opinion.
Congrats on being the smartest human you won!
This is one of those products they put in the miscellaneous section of a Macys to trick parents who don't know better. Little Timmy's birthday is coming up and he loves gaming and Tommy Hilfiger must be top quality!
i hope Timmeh is in a wheelchair and will never have to use this crap!
Or it ends up at Ross.
That’s genuinely the reasoning the probably used lol
Designed for maximum profit.
1 keyboard sold and they hit their box office for the production.
*LTT* : _Spends 3 years designing a screwdriver because they Linus won't accept the color of the accent in the handle being slightly different than he wants it. Sells it for $70._
*Tommy Hilfiger* : _Buys the cheapest Chinese products they can find for $10, doesn't even bother checking if they are complete, slaps their logo on the box, sells it as a $150 luxury item._
Know your brand before you buy lol
This was 10 dollars at Marshall's lol
Screwdriver in hardware store: anywhere between $3-$10
Generic keyboard and mouse combo as cheaply built as this: $15
@@RealEpikCartfrenYT A ratcheting screwdriver with integrated bit storage is $10 at the bare minimum. A ratcheting screwdriver that has a magnet and is the least bit ergonomic to use one-handed starts at $20. Of course there are also higher quality options that may not be in stock at the local hardware store, Snap-On charges $80 for just the handle for example.
Tommy Hilfiger is one of those "designer" brands I associate with being on permanent clearance at Macy's. The kind of thing where the MSRP is artificially high to trick unsuspecting grandparents into thinking it's a great deal when they find it in the bargain bin for 70% off. The only thing that surprises me about this video is that they were ever considered a respectable brand. That was before my time I guess.
its not really a full on designer brand but they do have some clean clothing not gonna take away from that regard
They are a classic "mid tier" fashion brand.
Not bad, not good, but if you buy it full price i will judge you for it.
back then they was like fila. now i dont even know what become of them
They have always been one of the brands that you just buy because of the name. Kind of like beats before Apple bought them; not the worst, but very overpriced just for Dre's name.
@@iulioh they're in the "big branding" category for me
Right above "no branding (cheap)" and below "small branding"
That marketing on the website screams "I normally do the clothes and never have done a tech before and in no way do I need to do anything different when describing the item"
Oh ya lmao what they are made of and dimensions i didnt think of that lol
yeah definitely lol
Exactly, that's why they list the materials that it's made out of, because it's an important piece of information when you're buying clothes. Their e-shop template is probably programmed to always display the materials in that spot on the page and they couldn't be bothered to change the layout for their tech products.
They do their overpriced clothes the exact same way.
The scary part is that the website lists it as
this product was so popular, we've sold out
I can't find it, seems like they took it off, can't blame them :D
That's a bald-faced lie like everything else they claimed about this product
15:23 no way the spacebar triggered from dropping it at that height
I gotta say, when you started unpacking the price equivalent products, it actually brought a warm feeling to my heart. The direct contrast between a company that just wants money vs a company that actually cares about delivering a quality product and also understands the needs and wants of their costumers is drastic. It actually made me appreciate certain companies and products even more.
Hijacking to say don't buy gaming headphones like steel series buy music Oriented headphones and a mic
Logitech is up there in my personal experience, rarely have i ever had any problem with gamepads, keyboards and mice from them.
Totally, I'm looking at my Logitech mouse and keychron keyboard like thank the lord good things actually exist
both of them try to rip you off but tommy really want to rip you off without giving a damn about his name.
There is no Comnapy in the world that sell things and want you to have the best Money for quality ...
You're acting like peripherals coming from Steelseries, Razer or even the high-standard of Logitech are paired to what they cost to be produced. Any of them try to rip you off, you just are so unaware of the subtle establishments of the market that you don't even get to see it. Like, do you think they setting their lowest mouse at $30 has to do with the client's response? then having a mildly better sensor with the same chasis and sell it for $100?
The "anti reverse-engineering shmoo" as you call it is a drop of epoxy , it's here to protect the integrated circuit from being damaged. It's a Chip-on-Board design, meaning the silicon chip is directly mounted to the PCB, with no packaging. It's sometimes used to save pennies on very large scale productions. (26:40)
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@@IdleCommentator That's because the comment repost bot is paired with a ton of upvote bots to make sure their spam gets seen.
Anyone who has experience with cheap (understatement) gaming gear will easily recognise that mouse design. It's actually called Redgear A-15 and costs less than $10 and they pretty much just removed redgear's logo and slapped their own. It's also possible that they just used the same manufacturer which is pretty common with Chinese products (same thing being sold under different brand names).
Yes, same manufacturer, image search returned Onikuma CW902
As person who uses cheap mouse and keyboards your speaking faxs not even 1 word was wrong in your sentens evrything is faxs just chines products sold by company for 10x the Price
I have redgear a-15 and they both look identical lul
White label has nothing to do with it being Chinese though. There are manufacturers everywhere in the world who sell white labeled products. It's just more prominently Chinese because they have cheap manufacturing so more companies resort to them.
I have that RedGear mouse. Initially I got the same thoughts
26:40 that is not for anti-reverse engineering, it is just cheaper to drop a little compound on a chip instead of proper packaging.
These weren't meant to actually be sold for $150. They were meant to end up on TJ Maxx, Marshalls and/or Ross's shelves to be sold at an 90% discount like the rest of Tommy's products lol
To be perfectly fair, even with a 90% discount you could probably find better options. Like the Lenovo keyboard Linus compares with.
@@PeTTs0n88 He wasn't defending them, just roasting
@@kiyoponnn Yeah, I realized that - I just added to it.
@@PeTTs0n88You are telling me that you can get a mouse, keyboard AND headset all combined for $15?
@@hypnogri5457 not very suitable for gaming but yes, yes you probably can
Ok, this set is just something you find at JC Penny around Christmas time. It's one of those "Last minute perfect gift" things they've got lined down the middle of every aisle. Nobody bought this for themselves. A grandma or a parent or someone who knows nothing bought this for someone else who, likely knows nothing.
Nah, Ross/Marshall/TJMaxx.
I just imagine this in the "for men section" at Ross discounted to $20
@@PoniesNSunshine i would argue that it’s not even worth that.
@@NoNeedForLungs oh certainly not
@@NoNeedForLungs literally. I wouldn't pay $20 for it.
That "anti reverse engineering schmoo" is actually literally the IC package itself in that case, if you're pumping out a bazillion cheap boards it's more cost effective to put a bare die directly on the PCB and run the bond wires onto the board without a package in between. You then need a blob of epoxy to keep everything in one piece.
Agreed! Look at cheap solar lights PCBs!
That's what I thought too, I recall seeing that blob was always being a sign of cheap/knockoff electronics (it's a big and obvious tell for if a cartridge-based game is a bootleg and not an original for example). I was confused when Linus said it was to prevent reverse-engineering.
Agreed, not anti reverse engineering schmoo. The correct terminology is Chip On Board (COB) and is very common for high volume, low complexity products. For example, the very common text LCDs that show 2 lines of 16 characters, are universally COB construction. Greeting cards that have any electronics (music, voice..) are also COB. All digital Calipers too. The black epoxy provides environmental protection of the chip, but even more importantly, it protects the thinner than hair bond wires between the chip and the PCB.
@@mechanoid5739 or at cheap NES clones (or anything cheap)
@@nostalgiadude Things there the whole board is cheap to discard if somehow the bonding fails.
Been watching since 2013 when I first built my computer. The Cats text in your earlier intro lives rent free in my head.
They are no longer selling it on their website LOL and they also lied about it "We're sorry, this product was so popular, we've sold out." just wow
I just checked it's true.
@@markperalta4831 ok
So they lied. Shocking
It would be funny if they forced their employees to buy it. I forgot what company did that before, but they made their employees buy their products (EDIT: Abercrombie and Fitch)
is it possible that there was a mad rush on them when the video premiered so people could make their own small time videos of how cringe these things are?
"Never really been into fashion" shows one of the hardest fits ever
Nope lol
@@hellaflush787 cant take a fucking joke
His wife is, so that means so long as she continues to choose what he wears and how his hair looks, then he may as well be the expert his wife is :)
@@DailyCorvid As long as she makes him keep the beard we gucci.
@@Ehh..... To be fair to Yvonne, she does know her style and fashion better than most. She always looks dollars and Linus always looks dollars. The kids too!
tl/dr bit :
See I always prefer people the way are, I won't like a person more for having nicer clothes; but 99.99% of others would lol so she's got that right.
I mean *who cares if one guy you never met or will meet thinks your hair looked better natural* ?
It's barely a complaint, I think just because I have seen many friends completely change after marriage...
I am always going to say never let your misses choose your clothing, beard, food, or anything else she won't be using personally.
Fun fact about the black blob, It actually might be a Chip On Board (or COB) where they take a bare die, glue it to the pcb and dump shmoo all over it. It is marginally cheaper than actual packaging, but that's not surprising looking at the rest of the gear.
100% COB. I think you can even see the square DIE in the middle.
This is correct
this is too funny
@@mikeycrackson Protecting the bond wires and the die from light. Certain wavelengths can upset silicon quite a bit, xenon flash for example is enough to temporary brick a chip.
@@DrakkarCalethiel That's right. Sometimes manufacturers omit the schmoo and that screws them over. Eg the Raspberry Pi 2 did it for a bare-die chip and that caused the board to reset or lock up when you shine a bright light on it or use flash photography.
This is by far my favourite type of content your guys create (also anything to do with Alex and crazy engineering projects), please keep doing more of these teardowns.
I used to work in an electronics store and I swear these exact sets, just without the logo, spent 90% of the year on sale, for like $40 😅
And STILL too much. 😁
i'll give you three fiddy
@@Zett76 20$ for it max 💀
That mouse is a redgear A15 right?
i had redgear manta 21 pretty similar to this and bought it for like 15$ or less dont remember. it was combo of keyboard and mouse
Fashion brands are so used to sell sweatshop cheap fabrics at exorbitant prices I'm not even surprised to see they try to pull the same scam with other products.
Still, super entertaining and educational video, Linus!
Yeah, it's easy to sell cheap but comfortable enough fabric in something like a t-shirt (as long as it's good enough not to be scratchy), but if you cheap out on electronics it's super obvious to anyone who knows anything
@@kevinwells9751 fr
Sounds like they used a damp sweatshirt for the membrane in that keyboard…
This is basically an amazing example how some fashion companies work. They buy some cheap trash, put their logos on it and sell the product with a huge profit.
I actually started barreling out laugher at 15:05, I mean, that keyboard is SO BAD that it got Linus to talk up the $5 LENOVO OEM KEYBOARD like it is a premium product.
Heck, even Logitech k120 is better than that overpriced TH crap
@@bitelaserkhalif Bruh K120 is a legend lmfao
Love the debunking part. Especially the part where Linus doesn't know all the info and gets to react to it. Would be great to see more of this type of content.
this is exactly why they are building a lab ...
Yeah the technical testing was very interesting and made how atrocious the product was even funnier. More
Right, I rarely watch His videos but, this was really entertaining actually,
Please, for the love for all of us, please do more of these REALLY SHITTY reviews and analysis. It's amazing and i haven't laughed this hard in a long time.
@G T I don't think it would do them any good. Wouldn't give them a better brand image, and neither other companies would trust them as much as they do now. I think the way they function now is perfect. Just show the people how bad a product is, and that has as much weight as a court decision I'd say.
Agreed! This is one of the funniest videos I've seen on this channel.
@G T You'd be suing all of China at that point.
Please notice that when Linus drops the keyboard to the table at 15:23, Doom guy jumps. If you drop a keyboard, the keyboard should not take that as if the user of the keyboard is typing on it.
This indicates the keyboard is bad, smt Linus already said.
The labs team research and statistics being tied into the video is spot on.... Do more of this type of content with the lab team on other products... Really appreciate the work they put in.
fun fact, "We're sorry, this product was so popular, we've sold out." is on their site now
Love Alex's demeanor and joy at spending Linus' money.
I'd love a job like that as well haha
it's the company's money
@@zayd1111 its a joke
@@khaiidehara he said i love alex doing something how is that a joke tell me
@@zayd1111 It is money in the company, but linus owns the company. At a whim linus can pay that money to himself and no one can tell him otherwise. Therefore, it is his money that he is opting to leave in the company.
28:19 = The speaker that came out of the headphone is used in my monopoly bank machine for beeping purposes.
This says a lot about how TH see their customer. Not so much into tech, but love the brand. I guess they took the same approach as they do with their clothing line - find the cheapest sweatshop manufacturer, put the label, and sell as a premium product. Well done. I am sure their stock is doing great.
Let's be honest. The person who did the procurement on this product only had experience with clothing procurement. They did not even own a high-quality product to compare against.l; or if they did, they did not understand why they are as they are.
almost like apple, but with cheap materials instead of cheap design choices.
Bro TH is shit, I bought 130$ shoes from them and they fell apart 3-4 months after and the only places where I wore them was mall and other stores and in my house...very disappointed in them...Im definitely sticking with Adidas and Puma
Bet the sweatshop manufacturer even have child sweatshop workers to do the job, that's how bad it is
They do have two lines. The actual premium line (usually recognizable by not having a logo slapped on it) and the one you just described.
I feel like Linus should test that theory that the keyboard is waterproof then send it to Tommy Hilfiger then let's see what they say
V surprised not to see them dump water on it, seems like something they'd jump on lol
honestly thought they'd come out with a giant tupperware bin of some variety full of water and dunk it and try to use it
@@FilooWoj that's the level of quality where water will be an issue immediately.
and now they can't anymore. The keyboard is in the sky aka keyboard heaven
Hell no! What if they send him a replacement and he ends up with two of them? Imagine the horror! :O
HAHAHA I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TOMMY HILFIGER WAS THINKING:
"Oh, well, customers want to know what their clothing is made of, so surely they must want to know the composition of their gaming gear too!"
I died when they said 10% metal(like they're all made the same) and again when they said the headset is 10% sponge. Maybe that was just boomer humour about how a clothing company is going into gaming gear.
I like how the mouse and keyboard are specified as acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (or ABS if you're a sane person) while the headset is just plastic
The headset and mouse composition I am almost sure is supposed to just be an extension of how they list fabric materials of their clothing. I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously at all.
I think they simply gave it to their website content management team which seems to have no clue about anything tech or have instructions to always list materials and just didn't care saying sth
I imagine someone from TH messaging the manufacturer for the materials and the guy just replied with "Idk, 10% metal?"
@@luckylukeskywalker Yeah I can just imagine them walking up to the web team to add this to the website, them being lost in confusion and wondering what they're looking at or even supposed to put on the website, and the product team to just be like "Just put it up that same as how you would everything else"
Addressing the 5k dip on the Arctis. It’s a very common issue for closed back headphones/headsets. A common issue with engineering closed backs is phase cancelling, and one of the problem frequencies (even with good engineering) is commonly in 4.8k-5k range. Obviously, by the differences in measurements by the Arctis and the Tommy, engineering a closed back headphone is hard. It looks to me like the manufacturers of the Tommy just slapped a driver into a closed off chassis and called it a day where Steelseries actually bothered to r&d their product (probably because they did).
25:28 What you are describing is rollover, not ghosting. Ghosting is when you press a certain amount of keys, and you get an unpressed key outputted. Rollover refers to how many keys you are guaranteed to be able to press.
Pretty much every keyboard made today does not have ghosting issues. Due to this confusion, marketing teams will use the term anti-ghosting because they know that most people do not know the difference and assume it refers to rollover.
As a rubber dome over membrane keyboard, this keyboard has 2 key rollover, not 3 (I would guess pressing W, E, & D would prove this).
The 6 key hard limit is because they are using the basic USB keyboard driver which only allows a max of 6 keys even if the board itself were to electrically support N-key rollover. This limit with USB is why in the early days, some gamers would prefer using PS/2 keyboards.
Linus is on fire in this one. Not sure why, but he is enjoying himself and he's full of energy (and not "I had too much coffee energy", but "a love my job" kind of energy). I had a great time watching this. Thanks!
Linus doesn’t even drink coffee
Agreed
Anyone else just loving how much Alex was enjoying telling Linus how bad the mouse is😂😂
I got mechanical keyboard for 13 euro. Its Marvo KG954, and on the rollover test i was able to press 30 keys at once. The keyboard feels heavy and really comfortable. You can imagine the quality difference between the one in the video and mine. I talk about 13 euro keyboard.
I so wish living in a world where these companies get fined for false advertising. Thanks for the great work guys!
That part of the world is called Europe, more specifically, any country within the European Union.
@333Orobas 666 facts
Would be cool I guess...
But for now you could just y'know, inform yourself.
This has been happening in the watch community for a long time now. Clothing brands selling shit for a huge markup. Hilfinger, Armani, Boss etc.
if you let them do this buying that shit, then why not? it's a market for stupid people with money.
Absolutely, just cheap shit rebranded with little effort going into the design most of the time
And glasses too🤓
Exactly. I only go with reputable brands like MVMT. Pure quality.
@@sawyerh.923 lmao, MVMNT. They make shitty watches
They wanted the same profit margins for their tech as they did for their clothing and it hasn’t worked out
they sold out 💀
@@sarc143 "sold out" is a marketing PR stunt to make you think it was popular.
I can guarantee it was just pulled.
@@SilverDashie I can guarantee I don't care
@@sarc143 They sold out, according to them. If the product plops they can just lie about it and stop selling them. They are able to maintain absurd margins under the illusion that they are quality so lying about the success of a product keeps the illusion going. That or they genuinely did sell out because the product was immediately placed in bargain bins. Which I hear is not uncommon for this brand which makes people think they are getting a good deal.
@@SirNarax ok
1:45 ISO without nordic layout is pretty wild
I love how Linus now just says "real dollars" as if to recognize that Canadian dollars are just monopoly money
@333Orobas 666 I think I prefer your version of reality, how soon can I move there?
@333Orobas 666 same. But they're a mess to deal with. My lawn is a minefield.
Yeah cos its definitely a feature not a bug that all US money is the same size and colour making it harder to tell apart - blind people need an app to tell it apart cos it all feels the same
I thought it was a shame that he's pandering to idiot Americans who forget other countries exist. American physical currency is pretty much the worst of any developed nation.
@@meaninglesskibble dude, the entire US government hasn’t been after deaf people for over 100 years to have them make counting errors when paying. Nobody has ever thought that was a conspiracy lol
I really like this way of testing hardware, and the fact that Linus is discovering it as you go. Can't wait to see more!
Instantly one of your best videos! Labs-team smashed this one, so cool to see actual data of how bad is really bad! Also really liked that you gave the audience the comparison what that money actually buys. While we as LTT regular viewers and tech-lovers know, that info is really good to get into more mainstream and brands like Tommy Hilfiger are excellent to getting viewers like that. Great job everyone on this video!
You'll slobber over anything they put on this channel won't you?
@@pupsaderpupin5627 You bought this set, didn't you?
seeing real data vs just taking his word realy puts into perspective his past videos and only reinforces that he can be trusted
Imagine being an LTT regular viewer, cringe. If they dropped linus, it would be a much better little show.
I thought this is one of the worst videos, basically listen Linus moan for 30 minutes about the most boring products ever made.
This could have been a 3 minute video, or have multiple products from different "designer brands".
24:19 I think Alex got precision and accuracy switched?
They should have just teamed up with Logitech or whoever for a special edition.
There are so many niche keyboard manufacturers, they could have made something that is good. But yeah, cash grab i guess
But then their profit margins would've been thinner. It's a fashion brand, after all.
@@laerin7931 true
The thing is, they would have to sell at a decent price. And that's a no-no for these brands. They NEED to take the most amount of your money possible, spending as little as possible of theirs. That's how they are big as they are haha
@@RisingRevengeancethey could use this as marketing instead. Like show off someone wearing TH while gaming with logitech X TH gear. And you get special bundle price
wow, it's great to see the LTT lab team produce such detailed results. Imagine how many other products can be quality tested for the consumers. Keep up the great work y'all!
When Linus said Alex came in with 'something intriguing' and broke out my current Lenovo keyboard LMAOOOOO
This makes me feel much more appreciative of my own mouse, keyboard, and headset
Same. I rock a $30 office headset, and it's still better than that garbage.
your mouse, keyboard, and headset look better than this so-called branded set
I'd bet even the regular wired earphones that come with smartphones sound better than that
@@R.K_Chalkboard true
As someone who uses a $40 MECHANICAL keyboard I was recommended in a YT video, this made me appreciate it more than anything.
I feel bad for the kids that got this set as a gift and are forced to use this genuinely hindering “gaming” set by their parents. I’d definitely give my kids the actual gaming set LTT used as a gift over the Tommy Hilfiger set.
I think it's hilarious that Tommy Hilfinger advertised this like it was clothing. They listed what it's made of and even put cleaning instructions in there lmao.
Their website probably has a stock template that they couldn't be bothered to modify
the unfortunate thing about these products is that they're marketed as non enthusiasts but still leverage the hilfiger brand recognition. there will be a lot of very well meaning parents, grandparents and relatives that fall into these traps
I need to clarify something that I believe often confuses people, specifically in the portion of the video where Linus discusses the mouse featuring the Hero sensor and Lightspeed dongle. All Bluetooth devices, GPS, radios, cellphones, and dongles transmit signals at the speed of light. However, the key question to consider is how much data the device can send and how much data the dongle can process. While this might not significantly impact the performance of a mouse, these factors do play a crucial role in determining the overall responsiveness of a device.
This product was clearly meant to be on the shelf at Dillard's to be bought by rich grandparents that equate quality to popular clothing brands (especially in the 90s), but it will only sell for $40 when it shows up at Ross and Marshall's next Christmas lol
The thing that really bakes my noodle is the branding on the keyboard. It's obvious the indent for the silkscreen is meant for a logo that has completely different dimensions, so they've just scaled the Hilfiger logo down to fit, making the spacing look absolutely abysmal. Love the fully integrated wrist rest too.
Ooooh that really bakes my noodle - 🤓
@@TommyTom21 your comment really boils my bananas 😡😡
I have said keyboard, exactly the same
Just not from Tommy. I got it for closer to 10usd by itself.
Not a good deal but still.
I am a long time viewer, and I just wanted to say thank you for the way you present your sponsor messages at the beginning of the videos. You keep it short and to the point, to where it’s not even worth fast forwarding past it. I hope your sponsors understand the value of that. I also love your content :)
yeah. i like about it as well.
Not to mention sometimes I watch them just because of how funny or creative their segues are
Na, it gets annoying when it's basically in every video
@@Fredsinator they are running a business, you can watch for free, not fair to complain
@@Fredsinator So you are enjoying their service for free but your time is too precious to support them? legit
I only discovered LTT a few months back and I just can't get enough, the algorithm shows me these type of videos at the top of my feed and I click'em every time
I still can't believe the fact that Linus came so far from shooting one-take videos on a crappy camera, to being a leader of a company filled with such professional people. Every single video on this channel is top notch and Im so happy that now they have actual lab data to back their opinions. This channel is going to change the entire tech world!
They pretty much do influence the entire industry on a regular basis, tech companies employ full-time industry analysts just to watch the LMG channels and forums to determine current and future trends as well as to gauge market reaction to their products.
That’s actually insane 😂
Most of their videos the last few years have been extremely rushed to fill their 1 video a day quota. Most of their videos are poorly researched and just some entertainment with tech as a back thought. This one and the Windows one are one of the few that stand out. For GPU/CPU reviewing, they are amongst the worst out there and use "The labs" are basically a buzzword, because even with so many qualified people, they still review way less and in way less detail. Response times and audio spectrum and weird janky stuff is pretty much the only thing they have on other channels like Hardware Unboxed, Gamer's Nexus.
@@kiloneie yeah 100%. They focusing on quantity rather than quality
Alex and Linus in a video together, that's when you know there's gonna be some laughs, some cringe, and some destruction. My fave kinds of LTT videos. Loved the labs contributions as well.
Getting the actual statistics and values for the products is such an amasing thing. I really love that you have the capabilities to do these types of mesurements. Huge fan.
I think the cost of that mouse is $5, keyboard $10, headset...maybe $20. $35 in total, am I right ?
Good job to the testing team. Another amazing addition to the already extreme high quality of content of LTT.
@@username8644 Bruh. Linus actually talked about this kind of topic before. Don't blame it on Linus. Blame it on the algorithm. It's how videos nowadays get more views.
@@username8644they don’t care about you bro 🤓🤓🤓
@@username8644
"Third, I realize that those videos get more views, but I was simply asking to have more advanced videos like they used to release."
Linus Media Group has provided us with other channel genre like for example, Techquickie, explaining specific stuff like GPUs, CPUs, etc.
"The only videos that still feel authentic LTT are the videos with Alex or when Linus makes a video about their servers, everything else is just targeting the mass population and barely can even be considered "techy"."
I mean that's true but they have to upload other stuff. If you really wanted to know if they did "advanced" project, take a look at their floatplane and subscribed there and see if they had any project going on. It's on a upload schedule by the way.
Overall, that's true but it is what it is. They need to change content. Nothing can stay old forever.
High effort testing, extreeemely scandalous and low effort marketing. 👌😆
@@username8644 it is what it is.
That 6-key rollover on the keyboard is actually a USB limitation. Any USB keyboard that has N-key rollover has added firmware to enable it. If you take almost any USB keyboard from, let's say 2010 or prior, it will most likely have the same problem. The reason Linus was able to play Liero in 1997 was because he had PS2 keyboard.
Real talk, Liero is awesome.
Mostly yeah, but the 6 key rollover seems to be split between zones which is bizarre
That's how they did it on cheapo USB keyboards in the early 2000's, you can't legit even type a document if it isn't, note that at the time a cheap generic would still focus the zones two for left side gaming two for right side then one for rando and one for numpad.
They couldn't get that right in 20220's when the friggen blueprints how to do it right can be legally just downloaded off some rando website by anyone 0.o
The problem is not the 6 key rollover, i think its quite common on cheap keyboards, the problem is the zone thing, cuz you can be pressing W D and Shift to run diagonally in a game and then you can't jump, or something like that.
6-key is not that bad,
"3-key sometimes" is terrible.
My DasKeyboard comes with a USB to PS/2 adapter that lets you have n-key rollover, I like that too because it saves me an extra USB slot for other stuff instead of keyboard
Linus, I want to thank you. You, RandomGamingInHD, Dawid, and Austin Evans were my only comfort after I lost my grandma last year. I stayed up all night watching you guys, and I have so much gratitude towards you for that. Thank you, LTT.
Edit: Thank you guys for all the support, it's truly heartwarming. You've all made my day.
........Your grandmom bought you the tommy Hilfiger gamer set didn't she?
@@Thatonefuckinguy I- She had a heart attack, dude 💀
I hope you’re doing okay
@@Thatonefuckinguy lol 🤣
@@rufioh I'm much better now! It took a while to come to terms with it but it got easier over time.
Linus please, don't be ashamed to shame greedy companies.
7:53 i got some random keyboard from 4 years ago wich is like fully the same as that keyboard but not with the brand name (like for real the same keyboard)
It's fascinating to see the Linus gang grow older by the years. Also, glad you guys got Riley on board.
I tried looking this up to see if they lowered the price or something. Turns out, they removed it from every store ever... Good move to be honest, and at least they aren't just clearance selling it all. I wouldn't pay £20 for that crap.
when they first start the vid on the web site it said SOLD OUT @ 2:08
It'll be in the bins at every TJ max now lmao
@@trickorpete2987Yeah this is proper TK Max fodder! 😂
Loving the lab. Being able to quantify why something is complete sh#t is a truly wonderful thing!
dont censor yourself bro
#t
At 26:41 that isn't anti reverse engineer schmoo, it's a chip that doesn't have a casing on its own, the board is directly connected into the silicon then "encased" in black resin. Its called chip on board and it's very common, specially on very cheap very high production electronics.
I am sure it is a lie and they just pulled the product but the product page now says "We're sorry, this product was so popular, we've sold out." Nice job LTT!!
I went to a Tommy Hilfiger and Ralph Lauren store last year and the quality of clothes was absolutely awful, they're nothing but "brands" which cheap manufacturers pay to use their logo on whatever crap they want to pump out, they can't even been bothered to do due diligence anymore.
So.... polish people did that 20 years ago before it was cool.
Rip: my polish hilfiger sweatshirt from 20 years ago
Worst case scenario is someone you know picks it up at Ross and gives it to you as a gift and you have to pretend to like it.
no, you send them to therapy
@@briancollins7296 you would send your grandma to therapy for not knowing anything about gaming hardware other than rgb leds are cool? You must be a real pain to get gifts for around christmas.
@@metalwolf112002 You must be fun at parties
worst case scenario is someone is using this things and beat you in a video game with that.
T.H. style high-end computer specs:
75% Aerospace-Grade Aluminum
10% Gold Alloy
8% Tempered Glass
5% Platinum
2% Carbon Fiber