People acting like when he got arrested by the cops and he turned around, supposedly was so amazing… Any MF can make the face Derek made, not incredible acting, dumbass people are just weird and act like his acting in that moment was so amazing. He just made a psycho face, these are the same people saying al pacinos lazy acting in The Godfather was so godly when he was just showing no emotion. Not hard to do idiots! Any goofball can act uninterested…
what propaganda? he's literally just stating facts and making a good argument. the propaganda is this film trying to paint those genuine concerns as "rayciss"
It's amazing. Back then, they tried to portray whites as delusional but, if you watch this now, everything they were saying is not only true, but it's amplified ten-fold. They tried to portray them as evil but, instead, just ended up making them look like prophets. This is why they're trying to censor the internet; their house of cards is collapsing.
@@skapremethe overwhelming opinion is that affirmative action is discriminatory just ask he Asians kept out of Harvard with perfect academic performance
I am pretty sure that he played also in V the visitors. Within the first few episodes, but not credited. He was one of the Resistance Party without a special Role.
Racial prejudice aside. Is it right that the "Best person for the job." is no longer the point if jobs are about "Meeting a social quota now?" I mean not long ago, the fire department in the US lowered the score requirement because a majority of women were not passing the minimal requirement to perform the task, and as such, the rule was changed to lower it for them. And, upon testing, it showed that when it came to breaking doors down in training, the majority of men performed this task, where as it was the opposite with women who were hired professional firefighters. So let me put it to you this way. If your family is trapped in a burning building, would you want the "Female Firefighter" who is 120-140 pounds to who may not have the strength to break down doors, to run up and who based on her weight and strength, CANNOT carry a person from a building without assistance? Or do you want the person who passed all the tests and is in physical condition, to run up there and give your family the best chance of survival?
I remember watching this movie for the first time many years ago and I thought to myself, "Hey, it's the dad from Boy Meets World! I bet he's playing a really great guy agai-..."
This was a brilliant casting choice I had seen Boy Meets World long before I saw American History X and while I've grown to love it more as an adult (mostly for nostalgia sake) seeing Corey's dad in this roll now really makes casting him brilliant because when it comes to racism the majority of the time you really never see it coming for people who seem like the nicest people in the world. Brilliant!
Thats because racists are the nicest must sincere people in the world... Racists don't want to harm others races they just don't want to live with them, for many different rasons.
I think so many people miss the point of this film. They think that it's a black or white lesson on not being racist, where really the entire film shows how rational grey areas can push people to a strong irrational black and white opinion. 2020 was pretty indicative of just that. A lot of what his father said wasn't incredibly racist, and he never told his son to be violent towards the black community. It shows how a massive emotional event can push people over the edge to think that these grey areas called for black and white action and opinion.
@Alahjandro Dagrate Hi. Don't you mean that a lot of what his father was saying was not racist (period). Again, a lot of it, not everything. If not, tell me how the true (and *calmly-said*) things were racist...just not incredibly, as you put it. Everything else you typed is great, and I agree with all that.
The way this whole movie is written but this scene in particular has a nuance that is not seen in todays cinema . The admiration the son has is gut wrenching, to a point where he is absorbing the poison as the son is being consumed by it. Beautiful masterful painful classic.
the movie portrays the father as a racist but what he says makes sense. "Don't swallow everything they feed you. question them, look at the whole picture" these things make more sense nowadays. brilliant movie
Thats the complex of the quotes his father says. In that home, the father is the king, so of course he was the hand that was feeding. *"All this stuff about making everything equal, its not that simple... What happened to the other books in the course, what, they arent good enough because Mr. "2 PhD's" said they arent?"* Its the irony that he criticizes a teacher that is qualified in his field, only to speak about how unfair it is for qualified people in his field of work to be overseen. Remember, only certain parts of the film are in black and white, and are shot in this specific color sequence as a representation of the perception the character has in the world. Thats why Dereks character is seen in black and white, until he changes his perspective on race, then is filmed in color, an allegory that he now sees all colors. Amazing message portrayed in the film that sometimes, a person may only see the world in the light of what he is taught, until he experiences the world first-hand.
He starts out saying to question it instead of taking everything at face value, which is reasonable. Then insists upon dismissing it as BS without knowing anything about it, completely forgoing his previous advice to his son
@@thebee9907 Does that make what he has said beforehand false? No. Quit using your brain to warp reality when it's right in your face. Just because one is hypocritical to themselves doesn't make them wrong. Your false god Karl Marx was very good at this. An example being someone who smokes, ask them if they know it's bad for them... Of course they do, yet they continue to smoke.
Well, the first part of what he says makes sense. The second part doesn't. I'm sorry but ending what he explains by "No, this is nigger bullshit" IS racist. So yes, in that situation, the father is racist.
He actually makes a good point about the fundamental flaw of affirmative action. It's right that someone would get a job over a more qualified person because of the color of their skin. That's essentially racism..
@@mikemarc92 This is the same argument as the reparations argument. The problem is how far back do you go? Strip white people of money and property and give it back to the native Americans? How would you measure this? It sounds nice in theory but hardly possible to apply practically. Also, you think it's right to penalize a particular group of people because of their ancestors whom they never even met? And reward another group pf people fpr the sufferings of their ancestors whom they never met either?
Affirmative Action is fucked up. The father in this scene makes a good point. Everything he said was true, and then they throw in the dirty N word at the end in order to discredit his argument and make it all about racism. That's the key to this scene. You gotta watch out for that.
@@scottpelhamsr9500 Mom was overly generous in allowing her adult son who runs a gang to live in her house instead of kicking him out and living her life as she chooses. If Derrick doesn’t like who his mother brings home, he could have gotten his own place like the big and bad man he claims to be
@@harambe1331 yup, and it should not be personal, it's just how comfortable you are......there is a reason testimonies from the European ginger gathering all say that their is an automatic innate comfort from strangers that they have never met just because they are red headed themselves. People are greatly mistaking prejudice as preference....ITS NOTHING for all who read...just look at Facebook and look at a white girls friends....guess what mostly white! Or a black persons friends.....guess what mostly black.......it's nothing personal.
this ain't just dinner conversations any longer, now it's front and center topics everywhere out in the open. the genie is outta the bottle. great fkn movie
@@mikediaz8200 I’m sure that happens Sure but exceptions don’t make the rule. But in general Best man for the job should always be the only parameter of why someone is chosen regardless of skin color
@@rommelthedesertfox3089 never disagreed with best man for the job. But we all know skin color doesn’t play a reason someone gets hired. It’s who you know, my experience has seen it
I don't give a shit about racism or color...It's honestly exhausting and a waste of energy......but...best man for the job is damn right. I don't want people FORCED on to my team who are less qualified..IDAGAF what race or blah blah.
"All this stuff about making everything equal, it's not that simple", it's clear that the dad did not want society to change. Why is it that black literature can't be taught or native American culture? We have been learning white literature all the time. Just look at all the history we learn in Europe with painters, sculptures, musicians that is just white history if you look at it like that.
@@deejaytrizay yes because America still have white celebrations, look at Christmas, 4th of July, Christopher Colombus day, many natives today still ask for change but are silent through the media. People still get pissed about celebrating indigenous day. America is melting pot and unfortunately a lot of history of non whites have been horrible. There is so much we can learn like native language, native culture, why is it only the white American society from the 1700s to the 1950s? Why is it European sculptures, painters, musicians, the only thing that grouped minorities together was the civil rights act that's it. You will never learn about black/indigenous history before that. At the end it's all American history right? And the whole thing with the Jews it was wrong definitely no doubt but when they described their society as "undesirable people", the Nazis still had the fucking audacity to call them people while natives and black were depicted as some sort of savage or animal. Jews and Irish were treated like garbage immigrating here but it was not to the extent of a Mexican or a Chinese.
@@deejaytrizay standard American history is really still white history. Where is the native culture history, the taught native languages? There is so much history in natives that is becoming extinct. Why is it that native history is always excluded among the history books? We can learn native languages in schools as electives and culture as part of standard history or both But we get a whole detailed class of European history like the renniscance era. Like you said it's all American history but the victors choose what to teach about history. Yes the Jews were treated like garbage but when the Nazis described them as "undesirable people" the audacity that they still called them people. While natives/black were treated like subhumans missing link between man and ape.
Hate starts out at the dinner table sure, but it's taught everywhere nowadays whether you realize it or not. Social media, 24/7 News, even movies can have a certain spin on them meant to get you to think a certain way, to think its not true would be naive.
Hardly anyone eats together with family at the dinner table anymore, people aren't taught hate, people experience things throughout life and form their own opinions, if someone gets attacked for no reason by blacks then that same person sees them riot and get away with looting and burning police cars, then they see our politicians cater to them and sign bills that will give blacks preferential treatment over themselves, all that would shape their opinions
@@spasa2True, that's how they change people, they tell you a truth, but then mix it up with other untrue things, so you can think they're right. Saying a truth and being right in your position isn't always the same thing.
@@jerryhello not necessarily. That's an artificial movie scenario aimed at making a certain political statement. However, correlation does not mean causality. The arguments his father made were not dismissed or even challenged per se by what happened to the protagonist in the movie, because what happened was multi-factorial, depended on many variables. The fact that there are crooked malevolent people looking to abuse hot topics in society does not defy the arguments per se. And that movie is almost attempting to dismiss the validity of the points by associating then with villains.
I agree with Dennis Vinyard that we should hire people based on their educational background, their experience, their skills and talents not their group identity because that is pandering bigotry. I find it so hypocritical that he has a problem with Derek’s teacher Dr. Bob Sweeney who is a compassionate educated Black American man who has two PhDs which I am assuming that Dennis has a problem with it. Also it was Democratic American President John F. Kennedy who first used the term “Affirmative Action” in 1961 so do not blame it on Black people or any ethnic racial groups of people, blame it on Kennedy himself. Even though Derek’s father maybe a secretive bigoted jerk but to be honest I agree with him that we should hire people based on their skills and talents not their group identity period. As human beings we should all follow the three principles of life compassion, empathy and love to have a more perfect union.
@@glamourinc As a Black Australian man of East African Somali descent myself from Lakemba, New South Wales, Australia I do not need affirmative action because it is basically lowering standards for black people & other non-white ethnic racial groups. I want to be challenged not pandered because I stick to working hard in life by putting a lot of effort to accomplish what I want. Affirmative action should be banned and every human being regardless of their group identity for example; class, gender, health, language, nationality, race, religion & sexuality should be treated equally period because we are all human beings.
I'm in the trades, and there have been companies who are swamped. Only because they have too many white guys. They can only hire a minority. A black, a women etc. But they don't even apply for the job. When they do, they don't last. They are forced into this nonsense.
@@mr.hansholmes2367standards are already, by a few accounts in this thread, pretty damn low, and yet not one accident has been enumerated. Funny that.
@@DieselKoks This country is going to get more and more PC, "woke", and sickeningly liberal as the years pass, and will eventually become a socialist regime where nobody has to work hard for anything they want. And then America will truly collapse like the SU did. That's what time will tell.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Yeah, people gets positions in government and other areas because not of the qualifications and skills but because of color of skin. Thing that is your inherent part of body tells about your opportunities. Funny
@@SelectiveApathy82 Fun fact: the same ethnic group that held high positions of power in the Soviet Union also occupies large portions of the US government.
I see a lot of comments condemning Derek’s father as a horrible guy. I mean he was a firefighter who was brutally murdered while he was doing his job saving others.
Man Derek is a hateful person who destroyed his own life for the teachings of his father who died and went to hell for condemning one son to jail and the other to death.
the hatred begins with biology and endowed genes, which determine persons innate levels of empathy. Also human brains are very tribal, which has been selected by evolution. Racism has had benefits in human history for survival (foreign people carried out diseases you had no immunity, could conquer and be a threat to you etc.) But now societally. Its a vice and you are correct when people you look up to spew hatred you tend to absorb it.
@@Eaglesfan4life352 why would high schools make it mandatory to read black authors? Have they read all black books? Why are they being read? Because they are good books or because their authors are black? I think we both know the answer
Why would you assume that a "black" book is great? When the White man found the black man the black man had no wheel, no metal, and no written language.@@Eaglesfan4life352
@@generatione144 colleges, for one. There's evidence that a smarter, more qualified Asian-American student will lose admission to pretty much any other race/ethnicity simply because of their race/ethnicity. There are lawsuits open against Ivy League schools right now over this. One of them detailing how an Asian must score at least 450 points higher than a black student or the black person will be admitted over them. I believe it was 150 points to be chosen over a white student. Affirmative Action is a cancerous idea and people should be chosen SOLELY on merit.
He’s not wrong about being best man for the job. You’ve gotta work really hard and it shouldn’t be based on the colour of your skin so I’ll give him credit where credit is due.
I thank God everyday my Father gave me this same talk in 8th grade back in 2018. I used to protest against it most of high school, “Dad, blacks are vulnerable to low income poverty and crime which makes them result to behavior like crime. I’m not excusing it but there’s more that meets the eye.” “No son, they’re just like that.” It used to INFURIATE me when he said that. Oh, how I laugh back at my idiotic and naive 14 year old self. It didn’t take my father’s word’s to realize he was right. Believe it or not and you’re more than welcome to question it, I am an historian. I’m going to college for history and anthropology, and I’ve always been in love with history and the depths of history and anthropology since I was about the age of 5. I’ve always been passionate for it and every year, the more I got ingrained in objective and more in depth history and anthropology, the more I slowly realized my father was right. Go on, name one, just name one super power nation that’s come from Sub Sarah Africa at any point in any era of history. You objectively can’t. When Obama became President, this country went to hell like never before. Because self destructive behavior is inherently anthropological and genetic in them. While us Europeans created the sophisticated and modern world, and it’s a pity to those who’d label that, “Eurocentric.” If “Eurocentric” is now a synonym for “truth” than sure. It’s “Eurocentric.” My father was right about them, and I will teach it to my kids and they will teach it to theirs. To all of those who think, “the cycle” will end soon. Keep dreaming. This Gen Z has no plans of ending it. If you want to mischaracterize that as, “mUh HaTeFuL iGnoRAnCe” go right ahead.
@@jasimwilliams7902 Let me just get this straight first, you *support* affirmative action huh? You actually think it's a good thing for society, do you?
actually, the way he describes affirmative action isn't how it works at all. You literally take a person portrayed as a blatant racist as face value, how can you be fooled this easily?
@@LuisCastro-ld2df He's not right at all, the workforce is inherently biased towards white people. Therefore positive discrimination is needed to give BAME people the same chance that white people get. Instead of putting the blame on black people, you should be thinking about why the workforce is institutionally racist in the first place for affirmative action to even be a thing.
@@philippeh3904 The thesis of the movie is not that hate is wrong, be it morally wrong or epistemically wrong. The thesis of the movie is that hate is baggage, no matter how justified it is perceived to be.
In fairness he’s right about the affirmative action crap now they have to hire a certain percentage on skin colour instead or ability how is that fair?
There is a another side to that. Its not that simple, there is good reasoning for positive discrimination in some cases. If black people cannot get hired due to prejudice and those prejudices exist in society elsewhere, giving them slight preferential treatment societally can uplift them and normalize their existence as well as provide those individuals opportunities which they wouldn't get otherwise, whereas the man who got rejected has statistically more opportunities so he finds a another job. Makes perfect utilitarian sense. Just like rich people pay and should pay relative much more taxes based on them being biggest beneficiaries of stable society and their ability to pay more. Its not equal in a sense right wing zealots preach, its equal in true sense, its fair,, "give people according to their need" and so forth
@@addiemarieruhome I kinda went through a transition like dereck did dealing with a racist father and when I was a kid him and his friends used to say racist jokes and me not knowing any better I thought it was funny and when I was 18 his friend told my dad he was sorry but the damage was done and I was fucked up from 18-27 than I thought my racism was out of me twords blacks and it was I got a job doing tree cutting and one of the Mexicans put a rope around my neck and tried to kill me and I told the boss he laughed and didn't do a damn thing and for the next 10 years I went back to my dark place but what's helping me now is I'm training in boxing at the age of 40 and my teammates including my coach is black my co workers are black and we all get along
@@addiemarieruhome This is an amazing film. But sadly though it is typical hollywood propaganda. Alot of the things that Derek and his father points out are true. But the film insinuates that if you agree then you will turn into a crazy racist white supremacist.
@The Anthropologist _Forensic What about kids with wealthy parents who get high paid jobs or get to go to the best universities. It's never been about best man for the job
@SecretAgent02 Why does anyone use the very silly, very immature word copy? The good-sounding (therefore irrefutably appropriate) word to use is *mimic*. Hopefully (unkike average, typical people) you won't even beyond disproportionately react to this. In other words, won't (literally) freak out about it. It was only a slightly negative comment. I've seen and/or heard things from others which are far (and I do mean FAR) worse. Besides, what I typed there was literally true, regarding that word (and by extension), at least a few other words. Average people have been quite literally transformed, yes...transformed into being infantile, simple-minded beings who can barely (in any form) communicate maturely...let alone intelligently. I'm not claiming that that applies to you. I don't know you. But others have proven that objectively, irrefutably applies to them. It's blatant. There is no way to misinterpret it. The huge problem is the conceit/egotism of average, typical 21st-century people is to such an extent, such a sheer degree that it has (in the form of delusion, dementedness) blinded them to literally never be able to see anything AT ALL at least seriously negative, very negative, about themselves...ever (they'd have zero desire to, anyway). Believe it or not, on more than a few occasions I (can) and do express positive (and sometimes very positive things about other people...today, and now (except for you), is just not one of those times, that's all. Best regards to you, truly. : )
Yes. When you get older, you learn not to put yourself under so much pressure to be perfect. You accept that people make mistakes. And out of weakness comes strength.
"Ignore all the very reasonable and well-researched things you've learned about how your life is being made worse by blacks and jews; are you, personally, happy? Then why not just take the blue pill and be happy?"
I believe it should be the best man for the job and affirmative action by definition is racist. Because it is saying that a certain person is not as good as a "white guy" or "Asian guy" but they need to get hired anyway because of some quota. It's like, there's a reason why the Los Angeles lakers isn't comprised of 50 percent white guys or any other NBA team. They build their teams off the best players period. Regardless of race. That's all pro sports. Best person for the job. That's what I believe in. Not this, oh he's a black guy, let's give him a job because he's black.
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I love these behind the scene bits where the actors are just being themselves.
hahahaha
You’re the type of person that calls anyone with a different opinion from yours racist. Lol clown
Lmfao took me a sec
HAHAHA... best comment on here
Best was Stone Cold Steve Austin in "The Longest Yard". He was a natural lol.
"Jesus, Mr Matthews, all I asked was if you could pass the pepper"
Lmao
Hahaha so good
best comment ever
feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenahh!!!
Damn that is funny
Dude…. Norton was a straight up genius back then. An actor’s actor.
Before superhero BS plague...
He still is.
@@scottpelhamsr9500 hes not, now hes just an actor
The body language of the father is so perfect
Wrong
I Use The "Nigga"-Word!!!
SO, WHAT???!!!!
(My Nigerian Neighbours, Do All The Time.)
Black lives splattered
he's an actor, and testament to him that he can portray such complex characters
What exactly was so hard about this role? lmao
@@JD_tcb clichéd as fuck and there is some really crap acting in this movie when yo uwatch it now
People acting like when he got arrested by the cops and he turned around, supposedly was so amazing… Any MF can make the face Derek made, not incredible acting, dumbass people are just weird and act like his acting in that moment was so amazing. He just made a psycho face, these are the same people saying al pacinos lazy acting in The Godfather was so godly when he was just showing no emotion. Not hard to do idiots! Any goofball can act uninterested…
@@sherezadevergara9440 I agree about Pacino in The Godfather. Hard disagree about this movie - Derek is a 3d character and the acting is great
@@starwarsroo2448 it gets some passes for being done in 98. You can't watch it with today's lens.
He's basically saying around blacks never relax 😂 he opted the saying
what propaganda? he's literally just stating facts and making a good argument. the propaganda is this film trying to paint those genuine concerns as "rayciss"
It's amazing. Back then, they tried to portray whites as delusional but, if you watch this now, everything they were saying is not only true, but it's amplified ten-fold. They tried to portray them as evil but, instead, just ended up making them look like prophets. This is why they're trying to censor the internet; their house of cards is collapsing.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 real piece of work you are.
@@skapremethe overwhelming opinion is that affirmative action is discriminatory just ask he Asians kept out of Harvard with perfect academic performance
@@cagneybillingsley2165how is it genuine concern when he thinks 2 phd professor is not qualified for the job?
Boy meets world in an alternate universe
I like how in the earlier dinner scene, Derek’s sitting in the dads seat and the younger brothers sitting in Derek’s old seat
One of the best movies of all time, without question.
100% hard truths. Complexities. Conundrums.
This movie is equal parts enthralling and uncomfortable. You can’t look away.
You're just saying that Cause you love the shower scenes
@@northside103 What are you referring to specifically?
@jewdavid5627 have you seen the movie?
William Russ is underrated
I am pretty sure that he played also in V the visitors. Within the first few episodes, but not credited. He was one of the Resistance Party without a special Role.
Evan Freed
Slick Goodlin, The Right Stuff.
Racial prejudice aside. Is it right that the "Best person for the job." is no longer the point if jobs are about "Meeting a social quota now?" I mean not long ago, the fire department in the US lowered the score requirement because a majority of women were not passing the minimal requirement to perform the task, and as such, the rule was changed to lower it for them. And, upon testing, it showed that when it came to breaking doors down in training, the majority of men performed this task, where as it was the opposite with women who were hired professional firefighters. So let me put it to you this way. If your family is trapped in a burning building, would you want the "Female Firefighter" who is 120-140 pounds to who may not have the strength to break down doors, to run up and who based on her weight and strength, CANNOT carry a person from a building without assistance? Or do you want the person who passed all the tests and is in physical condition, to run up there and give your family the best chance of survival?
Well that's the thing ...you can't put "racial prejudice aside" because that's the reason affirmative action existed in the first place.
@@Tusc9969 You must been a fan of Apartheid South Africa?
@@xcidgafhamas what makes you think that?
@@Tusc9969 I don't think it, I know it. your comment leaves nothing to the imagination.
@@xcidgafhamas ok, what makes you think you know it?
I remember watching this movie for the first time many years ago and I thought to myself, "Hey, it's the dad from Boy Meets World! I bet he's playing a really great guy agai-..."
And Frankie Stecchino is also in this movie.
Seems like a pretty good dad to me.
Lmao
Lmao! Same here.
@@midsouth2strokes185 💀
“youve gotta watch out for that” lol
When you can't tell apart acting from reality.
this whole movie was cast BRILLIANTLY. not ONE person missed their beat
This was a brilliant casting choice I had seen Boy Meets World long before I saw American History X and while I've grown to love it more as an adult (mostly for nostalgia sake) seeing Corey's dad in this roll now really makes casting him brilliant because when it comes to racism the majority of the time you really never see it coming for people who seem like the nicest people in the world. Brilliant!
Racism is inherent in everybody.
Just because im racist doesn't mean i am a bad person.
@Bogdanmeoff ur just as racist as him and me. Difference is he's man enough to speak the truth.
Part of the brilliance in all that is that, in too many cases, racism impairs good character WITHOUT completely negating it.
Thats because racists are the nicest must sincere people in the world... Racists don't want to harm others races they just don't want to live with them, for many different rasons.
perfect scene for 2021 american culture
The truth
Very very sad
@@peter_88 when I see this video, I see a good father who taught his son to think with his mind objectively.
@@kylehicks9792 nowadays dads are too soy
@@peter_88 straight soy boys
Kinda weird hearing Alan Matthews using the 'N' word. Especially since he was still filming boy meets world.
I thought it was kinda funny. Hahaha
He's Acting
He did great job in this movie thoe
Ya so weird that actors portray different characters as if that were their job or something
Well, he is an actor. LOL!
Incredible scene, incredible acting, and all still so relevant in todays world the way we view the system and each other.
@AlexandriaOccasional-Cortex KKK detected
Ahhh the good old days when half the YT videos had file types in the title 👌
I think so many people miss the point of this film. They think that it's a black or white lesson on not being racist, where really the entire film shows how rational grey areas can push people to a strong irrational black and white opinion. 2020 was pretty indicative of just that.
A lot of what his father said wasn't incredibly racist, and he never told his son to be violent towards the black community. It shows how a massive emotional event can push people over the edge to think that these grey areas called for black and white action and opinion.
i am sure his father kicked some black ass many times in his ''career''. I mean he is a racist f@ckin cop!
@@antonio39776 His character is a fireman
@@Anom990 Ah i thought he is a cop but anyway ..Still racist
@Alahjandro Dagrate Hi. Don't you mean that a lot of what his father was saying was not racist (period). Again, a lot of it, not everything. If not, tell me how the true (and *calmly-said*) things were racist...just not incredibly, as you put it. Everything else you typed is great, and I agree with all that.
The son’s took it to the next level!!!!! The father was right on everything except the n word!!!!!!
Rusty is such an underrated actor
The way this whole movie is written but this scene in particular has a nuance that is not seen in todays cinema . The admiration the son has is gut wrenching, to a point where he is absorbing the poison as the son is being consumed by it. Beautiful masterful painful classic.
Absorbing the poison? The dad is correct.
@@spenser9908lol someone didn’t see the movie
@@J117-t2g Wanna tell me how the dad is wrong?
@@J117-t2g The movie is fiction. Affirmative action isn't.
the movie portrays the father as a racist but what he says makes sense. "Don't swallow everything they feed you. question them, look at the whole picture" these things make more sense nowadays. brilliant movie
Thats the complex of the quotes his father says. In that home, the father is the king, so of course he was the hand that was feeding.
*"All this stuff about making everything equal, its not that simple... What happened to the other books in the course, what, they arent good enough because Mr. "2 PhD's" said they arent?"*
Its the irony that he criticizes a teacher that is qualified in his field, only to speak about how unfair it is for qualified people in his field of work to be overseen. Remember, only certain parts of the film are in black and white, and are shot in this specific color sequence as a representation of the perception the character has in the world. Thats why Dereks character is seen in black and white, until he changes his perspective on race, then is filmed in color, an allegory that he now sees all colors. Amazing message portrayed in the film that sometimes, a person may only see the world in the light of what he is taught, until he experiences the world first-hand.
He starts out saying to question it instead of taking everything at face value, which is reasonable. Then insists upon dismissing it as BS without knowing anything about it, completely forgoing his previous advice to his son
@@thebee9907 Does that make what he has said beforehand false? No. Quit using your brain to warp reality when it's right in your face. Just because one is hypocritical to themselves doesn't make them wrong. Your false god Karl Marx was very good at this. An example being someone who smokes, ask them if they know it's bad for them... Of course they do, yet they continue to smoke.
Well, the first part of what he says makes sense. The second part doesn't. I'm sorry but ending what he explains by "No, this is nigger bullshit" IS racist. So yes, in that situation, the father is racist.
@@valentinlurquin8564 Ok Trotsky… how about doing some research on how and why the epithet “racist, and racism” came to exist.
He actually makes a good point about the fundamental flaw of affirmative action. It's right that someone would get a job over a more qualified person because of the color of their skin. That's essentially racism..
Slippery slope. Gotta acknowledge how people got those positions.. and they benefits received from free slave labor etc
@@mikemarc92 This is the same argument as the reparations argument. The problem is how far back do you go? Strip white people of money and property and give it back to the native Americans? How would you measure this? It sounds nice in theory but hardly possible to apply practically. Also, you think it's right to penalize a particular group of people because of their ancestors whom they never even met? And reward another group pf people fpr the sufferings of their ancestors whom they never met either?
Not essentially, literally is racism.
@@_whyte.woods_1256 bad influence
Affirmative Action is fucked up. The father in this scene makes a good point. Everything he said was true, and then they throw in the dirty N word at the end in order to discredit his argument and make it all about racism. That's the key to this scene. You gotta watch out for that.
You see THIS !? That means NOT WELCOME!
How could you go from Dad to THAT?! Aren't you ashamed?!
@@dannythomas417Mom should've known better then to bring him home.
@@dannythomas417poisoning my family's dinner with your Jewish, N loving hippy BS
@@scottpelhamsr9500 Mom was overly generous in allowing her adult son who runs a gang to live in her house instead of kicking him out and living her life as she chooses. If Derrick doesn’t like who his mother brings home, he could have gotten his own place like the big and bad man he claims to be
American History X is the perfect date movie because it lets me know if this is gonna be a long term relationship or not
don't bring a republican haha
Uhhh….
hahahahaha, yeah.
people who annoy you
@@Motoko1134 i know it but i don't think i should say it
@@DemocracyManifest 10 seconds Mr. Marsh....
Mr. Feeney approved the curriculum.
It’s so well acted and believable that one can easily see why people get sucked into it.
He's right though
@@TheSMR1969no it’s not asshole
@@TheSMR1969what part is right? When he says N word bullshit?
@@Tizoc69yes 💯 %
@@MrRobjs83 Of course racist like you would agree.
As someone said it aged like fine wine....you can't make things equal that easily like everything it's complicated
@@harambe1331 yup, and it should not be personal, it's just how comfortable you are......there is a reason testimonies from the European ginger gathering all say that their is an automatic innate comfort from strangers that they have never met just because they are red headed themselves. People are greatly mistaking prejudice as preference....ITS NOTHING for all who read...just look at Facebook and look at a white girls friends....guess what mostly white! Or a black persons friends.....guess what mostly black.......it's nothing personal.
this ain't just dinner conversations any longer, now it's front and center topics everywhere out in the open. the genie is outta the bottle. great fkn movie
one of the most important scenes of the last 30 years
I've had this exact conversation with my dad many many times growing up. A lot of us have.
And what's the point ?
black people are stealing your job? ya right, what job bud?
DEY TUK OUR JOBZ!!!
Truth
@@ManMonkey600 lolol
Dads not wrong especially now it’s everywhere. Best man for the job should always get the job
Yea but how many people get the job because they know someone, related or they can drink a beer with. Be honest
@@mikediaz8200 I’m sure that happens Sure but exceptions don’t make the rule. But in general Best man for the job should always be the only parameter of why someone is chosen regardless of skin color
@@mikediaz8200 that’s what I thought
@@rommelthedesertfox3089 never disagreed with best man for the job. But we all know skin color doesn’t play a reason someone gets hired. It’s who you know, my experience has seen it
@@mikediaz8200 oh cmon now there are actually quotas that companies especially government agencies to hire people specifically because of their color
lol I was shocked to hear him say all those words...because I watched Boy Meets World before I saw this movie..I was like wha??!?!???!
Mr Matthews breaks bad
the bullie Francis Albert Stecchino Jr. aka Frankie the Enforcer is the guy singing in his van
The Irony of the title is unmatched.
I wish there was another movie w/ the pops around. Would explain so much
The dad is right….the best man for the job
I don't give a shit about racism or color...It's honestly exhausting and a waste of energy......but...best man for the job is damn right. I don't want people FORCED on to my team who are less qualified..IDAGAF what race or blah blah.
"All this stuff about making everything equal, it's not that simple", it's clear that the dad did not want society to change. Why is it that black literature can't be taught or native American culture? We have been learning white literature all the time. Just look at all the history we learn in Europe with painters, sculptures, musicians that is just white history if you look at it like that.
@@deejaytrizay yes because America still have white celebrations, look at Christmas, 4th of July, Christopher Colombus day, many natives today still ask for change but are silent through the media. People still get pissed about celebrating indigenous day.
America is melting pot and unfortunately a lot of history of non whites have been horrible. There is so much we can learn like native language, native culture, why is it only the white American society from the 1700s to the 1950s? Why is it European sculptures, painters, musicians, the only thing that grouped minorities together was the civil rights act that's it. You will never learn about black/indigenous history before that. At the end it's all American history right?
And the whole thing with the Jews it was wrong definitely no doubt but when they described their society as "undesirable people", the Nazis still had the fucking audacity to call them people while natives and black were depicted as some sort of savage or animal. Jews and Irish were treated like garbage immigrating here but it was not to the extent of a Mexican or a Chinese.
@@deejaytrizay standard American history is really still white history. Where is the native culture history, the taught native languages? There is so much history in natives that is becoming extinct. Why is it that native history is always excluded among the history books? We can learn native languages in schools as electives and culture as part of standard history or both But we get a whole detailed class of European history like the renniscance era. Like you said it's all American history but the victors choose what to teach about history.
Yes the Jews were treated like garbage but when the Nazis described them as "undesirable people" the audacity that they still called them people. While natives/black were treated like subhumans missing link between man and ape.
U are not living in the present pal. Other than Xmas....the white holidays u mentioned are protested more than they are celebrated.
My dad was on the fire department from 1970 to 2000 he said this type of thing happened all the time
Say what you want, but he has a point.
true but the books derek is reading isnt bullshit
Not really. You are part of the problem
@@philippeh3904 Wanting better quality workers over some skin color quota? Yeah...Real problematic, bub.
@@philippeh3904 Parts of his speech was truth, but parts were generalization. You just see what you wanna see, just like people justifying him.
@@philippeh3904 With this attitude, you are the problem of the western world. Equality of opportunity: yes; equality of outcome: no.
This aged like fine wine 🍷
Based father
This is the truest scene in this movie. Hate isn't taught from movies, music or video games. Hate is taught at the dinner table
Hate starts out at the dinner table sure, but it's taught everywhere nowadays whether you realize it or not. Social media, 24/7 News, even movies can have a certain spin on them meant to get you to think a certain way, to think its not true would be naive.
Liberals are the most effective at teaching hate in this era. They definitely don’t teach love.
Hardly anyone eats together with family at the dinner table anymore, people aren't taught hate, people experience things throughout life and form their own opinions, if someone gets attacked for no reason by blacks then that same person sees them riot and get away with looting and burning police cars, then they see our politicians cater to them and sign bills that will give blacks preferential treatment over themselves, all that would shape their opinions
Except he didn't say anything hate fueied Except very last thing
@@Jim-ql9fu and it really wasn't hateful if you have the full context
The Truth hurts. Thanks T.V. Dad!
Man, his father was right about affirmative action.
his father poisoned his son's mind. and he figures that out later in this film.
@@jerryhello , I understand that. I just stated that his position of affirmative action is correct.
@@spasa2True, that's how they change people, they tell you a truth, but then mix it up with other untrue things, so you can think they're right.
Saying a truth and being right in your position isn't always the same thing.
@@jerryhello not necessarily. That's an artificial movie scenario aimed at making a certain political statement. However, correlation does not mean causality. The arguments his father made were not dismissed or even challenged per se by what happened to the protagonist in the movie, because what happened was multi-factorial, depended on many variables. The fact that there are crooked malevolent people looking to abuse hot topics in society does not defy the arguments per se. And that movie is almost attempting to dismiss the validity of the points by associating then with villains.
@@spasa2how when white women benefit the most ?
I struggle with this movie because I agree with the viewpoints of this movie. Don’t you?
I agree with Dennis Vinyard that we should hire people based on their educational background, their experience, their skills and talents not their group identity because that is pandering bigotry. I find it so hypocritical that he has a problem with Derek’s teacher Dr. Bob Sweeney who is a compassionate educated Black American man who has two PhDs which I am assuming that Dennis has a problem with it. Also it was Democratic American President John F. Kennedy who first used the term “Affirmative Action” in 1961 so do not blame it on Black people or any ethnic racial groups of people, blame it on Kennedy himself. Even though Derek’s father maybe a secretive bigoted jerk but to be honest I agree with him that we should hire people based on their skills and talents not their group identity period. As human beings we should all follow the three principles of life compassion, empathy and love to have a more perfect union.
Lol that would be great if things were equal. And I'm not advocating for affirmative action at all.
@@glamourinc As a Black Australian man of East African Somali descent myself from Lakemba, New South Wales, Australia I do not need affirmative action because it is basically lowering standards for black people & other non-white ethnic racial groups. I want to be challenged not pandered because I stick to working hard in life by putting a lot of effort to accomplish what I want. Affirmative action should be banned and every human being regardless of their group identity for example; class, gender, health, language, nationality, race, religion & sexuality should be treated equally period because we are all human beings.
@@zak27986 amen I like youre comment and agree %100. Well said good sir
@@sealteamryx6758 Thanks mate I really appreciate it and take care of yourself.
Lmao What he said is so irrelevant this is a movie and the only thing he had a problem with is that they were black
This movie really foreshadowed the future. Now, everyone on TV is black and the media is Afrocentric.
You got the wrong message from this movie 😭😭
Here at United Airlines, we don't hire the best pilots. We hire to please affirmative action.
That scares me. I've heard about accidents because of that.
Its sickening. When there is an accident, they are black controllers.
I'm in the trades, and there have been companies who are swamped. Only because they have too many white guys.
They can only hire a minority. A black, a women etc.
But they don't even apply for the job.
When they do, they don't last. They are forced into this nonsense.
@ImGoingSupersonic What accidents have you heard have happened due to affirmative action?
@@redgringrumboldt8983 If standards are Lowered- they are coming.
@@mr.hansholmes2367standards are already, by a few accounts in this thread, pretty damn low, and yet not one accident has been enumerated. Funny that.
Watching these great 2 actor's play people forget about how good the writing is.
He's 100% correct
He is but sadly nobody cares anymore.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Time will tell
@@DieselKoks This country is going to get more and more PC, "woke", and sickeningly liberal as the years pass, and will eventually become a socialist regime where nobody has to work hard for anything they want. And then America will truly collapse like the SU did. That's what time will tell.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Yeah, people gets positions in government and other areas because not of the qualifications and skills but because of color of skin. Thing that is your inherent part of body tells about your opportunities. Funny
@@SelectiveApathy82 Fun fact: the same ethnic group that held high positions of power in the Soviet Union also occupies large portions of the US government.
He's not wrong...
I see a lot of comments condemning Derek’s father as a horrible guy. I mean he was a firefighter who was brutally murdered while he was doing his job saving others.
Maybe it was karma
@@joewhitehead3 no not at all
Man Derek is a hateful person who destroyed his own life for the teachings of his father who died and went to hell for condemning one son to jail and the other to death.
Bruh it's f'n fiction.
@@joetamburello6292 So when the cops catch up to the black guys that did it and offs them is that karma?
So true equal doesn't mean better worlds gone mad
The hatred begins here at home.
No its from experiences with blacks. Racism = diversity plus proximity
the hatred begins with biology and endowed genes, which determine persons innate levels of empathy. Also human brains are very tribal, which has been selected by evolution. Racism has had benefits in human history for survival (foreign people carried out diseases you had no immunity, could conquer and be a threat to you etc.)
But now societally. Its a vice and you are correct when people you look up to spew hatred you tend to absorb it.
The father is only spitting facts though
Why does he assume “black” books aren’t great books? Has he read all of them?
@@Eaglesfan4life352 why would high schools make it mandatory to read black authors? Have they read all black books? Why are they being read? Because they are good books or because their authors are black? I think we both know the answer
Why would you assume that a "black" book is great? When the White man found the black man the black man had no wheel, no metal, and no written language.@@Eaglesfan4life352
I am an asian. He is right
Who cares where are you from
@@generatione144 colleges, for one. There's evidence that a smarter, more qualified Asian-American student will lose admission to pretty much any other race/ethnicity simply because of their race/ethnicity. There are lawsuits open against Ivy League schools right now over this. One of them detailing how an Asian must score at least 450 points higher than a black student or the black person will be admitted over them. I believe it was 150 points to be chosen over a white student. Affirmative Action is a cancerous idea and people should be chosen SOLELY on merit.
This movie is so powerful.
this whole convo is so accurate
You see American history X and see it as a tragedy. Your existence is bullshit.
Yes
The only racist thing he sead was nigger the rest was truth
Accurate but white women benefit the most from AA. Okay.
He’s not wrong about being best man for the job. You’ve gotta work really hard and it shouldn’t be based on the colour of your skin so I’ll give him credit where credit is due.
This whole scene is so based.
wholesome father / son moment :^)
No I'm just saying this scene is more awesome because Corey's Dad from Boy Meets World is part of it.
Sad you even know that
Love the first half of this movie.
No excuses in life, if you want to be the best, you gotta be the best.
I thank God everyday my Father gave me this same talk in 8th grade back in 2018. I used to protest against it most of high school, “Dad, blacks are vulnerable to low income poverty and crime which makes them result to behavior like crime. I’m not excusing it but there’s more that meets the eye.” “No son, they’re just like that.” It used to INFURIATE me when he said that. Oh, how I laugh back at my idiotic and naive 14 year old self. It didn’t take my father’s word’s to realize he was right. Believe it or not and you’re more than welcome to question it, I am an historian. I’m going to college for history and anthropology, and I’ve always been in love with history and the depths of history and anthropology since I was about the age of 5. I’ve always been passionate for it and every year, the more I got ingrained in objective and more in depth history and anthropology, the more I slowly realized my father was right. Go on, name one, just name one super power nation that’s come from Sub Sarah Africa at any point in any era of history. You objectively can’t. When Obama became President, this country went to hell like never before. Because self destructive behavior is inherently anthropological and genetic in them. While us Europeans created the sophisticated and modern world, and it’s a pity to those who’d label that, “Eurocentric.” If “Eurocentric” is now a synonym for “truth” than sure. It’s “Eurocentric.”
My father was right about them, and I will teach it to my kids and they will teach it to theirs. To all of those who think, “the cycle” will end soon. Keep dreaming. This Gen Z has no plans of ending it. If you want to mischaracterize that as, “mUh HaTeFuL iGnoRAnCe” go right ahead.
the best scene
"Ya gotta watch out for that." 😂
Dereks dad was right
Yeah far-right
@@danalvo2008 hahahaahaha lol good one
He was right to tell Derek to question everything. But that’s about it
@@danalvo2008 😂😅🤣
@@danalvo2008 lmfao 😂
20 year later now it’s called DEI hire
BEST MAN FOR THE JOB!!!
Hes right about affirmative action it's just discrimination
I’m black and he’s right
It all makes sense... He was talking about this 20 years ago.. And now you see where it leads
He's right
the most beautiful movie in America for me but I love American Military movies so much too. I love American Cowboy movies very much too.😊😇🥰😍🤗
This scene makes a point: Affirmative action promotes racism.
And hate. AA promotes racism, hate, resentment and unfairness. It's fucking BULLSHIT.
Yeah bro AA is so racist that it benefited white women the most lol
@@jasimwilliams7902 Let me just get this straight first, you *support* affirmative action huh? You actually think it's a good thing for society, do you?
@@jasimwilliams7902 if it benefitted white women most then it’s definitely racist. What point were you trying to make?
actually, the way he describes affirmative action isn't how it works at all. You literally take a person portrayed as a blatant racist as face value, how can you be fooled this easily?
The dad is so convincing.
He was so convincing in his argument, he swung me
He was right the whole time. The original ending should've been left in.
Even the way Russ says: "You do your best, you get the job" is wonderfully subtle.
Sounds like 2024 to me
It's been a while, but man, I dont remember eric or Cory looking like that. Which episode is this?
Lol n- bullshit he's not lying
He is though.
Then you find out most beneficiaries of AA are indeed white women.
@@Salik96
How? Explain.
I used to think this was racist....not it sounds just like THE TRUTH
THE CANDIDATE so you completely missed the point of the movie then
Derek's dad right about the stuff of being the best to get a job.
Not him calling native son "nigger bullshit"
@@LuisCastro-ld2df He's not right at all, the workforce is inherently biased towards white people. Therefore positive discrimination is needed to give BAME people the same chance that white people get. Instead of putting the blame on black people, you should be thinking about why the workforce is institutionally racist in the first place for affirmative action to even be a thing.
@Chuck E. Fromage man shutup, stop replying on a thread that died 3 months ago to push your agenda, I promise you no one cares lmfao
@@philippeh3904 The thesis of the movie is not that hate is wrong, be it morally wrong or epistemically wrong. The thesis of the movie is that hate is baggage, no matter how justified it is perceived to be.
I agree as a person of color I support colorism dark skin people didn't do anything to help their own people they never helped me and I'm light skin
What the father is talking about is relevant in today's society. People are hired because of their skin color, not because of their abilities.
Or what's in their pants
In fairness he’s right about the affirmative action crap now they have to hire a certain percentage on skin colour instead or ability how is that fair?
Not just that, it's far worse now...think purple hair/confusion what's between the legs/pronouns etc. What a time to be alive.
@@DemocracyManifest Yeah I saw a package of Moon Pies inside the grocery...... we are living in the future sir.
There is a another side to that. Its not that simple, there is good reasoning for positive discrimination in some cases.
If black people cannot get hired due to prejudice and those prejudices exist in society elsewhere, giving them slight preferential treatment societally can uplift them and normalize their existence as well as provide those individuals opportunities which they wouldn't get otherwise, whereas the man who got rejected has statistically more opportunities so he finds a another job. Makes perfect utilitarian sense.
Just like rich people pay and should pay relative much more taxes based on them being biggest beneficiaries of stable society and their ability to pay more. Its not equal in a sense right wing zealots preach, its equal in true sense, its fair,, "give people according to their need" and so forth
GOD I CAN RELATE TO THIS MOVIE IS SO MANY WAYS
Hello
@@jipke lol 🤣🤣
Did you also go through a transformation and growth like Derek did? Or are you still a neonazi
@@addiemarieruhome I kinda went through a transition like dereck did dealing with a racist father and when I was a kid him and his friends used to say racist jokes and me not knowing any better I thought it was funny and when I was 18 his friend told my dad he was sorry but the damage was done and I was fucked up from 18-27 than I thought my racism was out of me twords blacks and it was I got a job doing tree cutting and one of the Mexicans put a rope around my neck and tried to kill me and I told the boss he laughed and didn't do a damn thing and for the next 10 years I went back to my dark place but what's helping me now is I'm training in boxing at the age of 40 and my teammates including my coach is black my co workers are black and we all get along
@@addiemarieruhome This is an amazing film. But sadly though it is typical hollywood propaganda. Alot of the things that Derek and his father points out are true. But the film insinuates that if you agree then you will turn into a crazy racist white supremacist.
He's right.
Doctor Sweeny was definitely best man for the job. I think he was hired as a teacher because he had two PhDs not because he was black.
@The Anthropologist _Forensic What about kids with wealthy parents who get high paid jobs or get to go to the best universities. It's never been about best man for the job
@@royalproductions4325 thats the reward good, hardworking people used to get. that came with work, even that is disappearing.
@@MrBetterThanYou77 it's all about the color
@Colby Martinez 👍
I think that was the point of the scene. It's his dad that makes it about race. Complete missing Sweeny's credentials.
I would love to have father like that
Danny was so bothered by this. You can tell. I wish he didn't copy his brother.
ETA: I noticed they didn't show his face.
@SecretAgent02 Why does anyone use the very silly, very immature word copy? The good-sounding (therefore irrefutably appropriate) word to use is *mimic*. Hopefully (unkike average, typical people) you won't even beyond disproportionately react to this. In other words, won't (literally) freak out about it.
It was only a slightly negative comment. I've seen and/or heard things from others which are far (and I do mean FAR) worse. Besides, what I typed there was literally true, regarding that word (and by extension), at least a few other words.
Average people have been quite literally transformed, yes...transformed into being infantile, simple-minded beings who can barely (in any form) communicate maturely...let alone intelligently. I'm not claiming that that applies to you. I don't know you. But others have proven that objectively, irrefutably applies to them. It's blatant. There is no way to misinterpret it.
The huge problem is the conceit/egotism of average, typical 21st-century people is to such an extent, such a sheer degree that it has (in the form of delusion, dementedness) blinded them to literally never be able to see anything AT ALL at least seriously negative, very negative, about themselves...ever (they'd have zero desire to, anyway).
Believe it or not, on more than a few occasions I (can) and do express positive (and sometimes very positive things about other people...today, and now (except for you), is just not one of those times, that's all.
Best regards to you, truly. : )
"Has anything you done made your life better?"
Yes. When you get older, you learn not to put yourself under so much pressure to be perfect. You accept that people make mistakes. And out of weakness comes strength.
"Ignore all the very reasonable and well-researched things you've learned about how your life is being made worse by blacks and jews; are you, personally, happy? Then why not just take the blue pill and be happy?"
Now the world is a million times worse.
I believe it should be the best man for the job and affirmative action by definition is racist. Because it is saying that a certain person is not as good as a "white guy" or "Asian guy" but they need to get hired anyway because of some quota. It's like, there's a reason why the Los Angeles lakers isn't comprised of 50 percent white guys or any other NBA team. They build their teams off the best players period. Regardless of race. That's all pro sports. Best person for the job. That's what I believe in. Not this, oh he's a black guy, let's give him a job because he's black.
Why is this movie so true.
Because nothing has changed.
@@jonathanshaw7355 It will never be enough for your types.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff And the bar is never low enough for your types.
@@jonathanshaw7355 Your side will never be satiated. You're leaches.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff Because your side will never see us as human.
NGL I couldn't watch Boy Meets world again
Pretty weird to hear all those words from Alan Matthews.🙂
It's a script but or was not a actual true story.
@Robo yeah
My man, how did you write this comment 45 years ago?
Are you an alien?
@@TheViralPulse U never know.
the dad was a hero on boy meets world and in this movie too.
Well…… Was he wrong? 🤔
His father taught him hate
His friends taught him rage
His enemies taught him hope
His father taught him pride, loyalty and sacrifice
His father taught him discipline and compromise
His enemies taught him White guilt.