200K views! Please pass this video on to Capcom, as there's an upcoming Switch port in the works and this could be a great opportunity to fix some of this stuff up. I'll be releasing a short supplementary video shortly that will go over some stuff I overlooked while making this video.
@@Catboost awesome and I won't be able to afford the next gen console but i will be able to get the vergil dlc for my xbox one when the vergil dlc comes out on a later date i am excited
I think I can explain the sound effect issue starting at 2:32. An industry standard way of reducing file size in the audio department, especially during this era, is to speed up the actual audio sample before saving it to disk. Let's say, for this example, the sound effect is designed and confirmed. It is then sped up, let's say to 200% of it's original speed. This means it takes up less space on the disc, and more importantly, less space in the limited RAM these systems had. A sped up sample = shorter sample = smaller filesize,. During gameplay, the game's audio system plays back the sample at 50% speed, resulting in the sound being heard as it was originally designed. It sounds like whoever handled the audio in these ports did not take this into consideration. The solution would be to either modify the new audio driver to operate like the original, or to simply go through and slow down the offending samples. This might also explain some of the ambient sound looping issues.
So can we manually change the sound and replace the said file with modified one? Like i manually edit the file to playback at 50% speed and replace the original sound with the edited one
While it's nice to have these (and other 6th generation) classics around with the release of HD Collections and Remasters, I firmly believe that the original release is always the best way to go. When a game is brought over from a console from a generation past, there's always at least one thing that doesn't translate well. For me it's the lack of motion blur in some movements and the underwater effect used in Devil May Cry HD that I am not a fan of. I do tolerate it simply because I wish to be able to play the game on newer systems, but I do not really accept it. But there isn't anything I can do aside from mentioning it here. I own the original releases of Devil May Cry, Devil May Cry 2, Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening and Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening - Special Edition on PlayStation 2 as well as the Devil May Cry HD Collection on PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One but if I had to chose, one definitive edition, I would most certainly be PlayStation 2. It is and will forever be the best videogame console of all time if you ask me.
@Mr Skellow SH HD Collection remains broken in both PS3 and 360, PS3 version is just slightly less broken. You're better just "pirating" the PC ports and playing them with fan made patches.
I hate when a team's original vision is mangled like this. All the effects like the ripple on the painting and Dante's spinning projectiles were added deliberately, and made this game special at the time. Now its all stripped out in the most convenient way to play this game now, so everyone thinks it looks a lot worse than it really did.
@JTC Not all of them. Bluepoint Games did an awesome HD port for Metal Gear Solid 1-3, same guys who did the Shadow of the Colossus remake. Some games also look more or less the same if the port is good, like Beyond Good & Evil, or if they don't have many visual effects, porting to PC is also easier.
The Sparda sword in the original had a rather cool looking red lightning effect when you used it, but seemed removed in the HD version, it just makes a slight warp effect like Alaster just without the lightning.
I have to admit after watching this , it has opened my eyes to a lot of things I didn't notice before compared to the PS2 version and makes me appreciate the original PS2 version more and more....very good video :)
This is pretty disappointing. Relics like these games should be taken care of better on re-release. Show the original games some love, Capcom. They deserve it.
I hope people will understand this. The reason why the DMC HD Collection port of the first game is like this is due to the fact that this game is being emulated. The Original release was released for the PS2 and inside it consists of a Processing unit module named "Emotion Engine" and that architecture is difficult to emulate perfectly so since this was ported onto the XBOX360 and PS3 first and on XBOX ONE,PS4 and STEAM then all of those systems have a completely different architecture from one another and these systems are trying to replicate the Emotion Engine so sound issues and visual issues are bound to happen and the Engineers behind the ports has to get the game running flawlessly at 1080p at 60FPS counting the re-release of the HD Collection and on modern hardware Motion Blur can make the performance drop and at times the game will run so unstable and unplayable so the Engineers opted to remove it outright and compromises are a guaranteed fact when it comes to emulation. The reason why Griffon's ribs opened on the PS2 and not on the re-release is the Emotion Engine has additional effects processing which allows for the rib animations to work and since the game is being emulated the emulator being whatever console/pc you have cannot access those effects processing files so you are stuck with a boss who's ribs will never open. Regardless of these compromises the game runs as intended and if you ever want to rant about CAPCOM about these issues then it's not their fault. I know it sounds like I am white-knighting for CAPCOM but these games work and is fully functional. If you ever want to see a game that is so broken and not playable then look no further to Konami's 2012 Silent Hill HD Collection.
BRUTALSHANZ1988 Thanks for the insight! I legit was considering just emulating the DMC games through PCSX2 when I saw the video, but after your comment I understand the issues and will buy the collection instead! ^^
Yeah. thanks for this post, it sucks thats its missing minor things but at least its playable and they did what they could to preserve as much of it as possible.
before anyone goes off and buys the HDversion go look at some footage of the game in PCSX2 if the emotion engine was so hard to emulate how did they emulate it that well?
There's a few more that you didn't mention: -Sometimes the door sound effect is sped up noticeably, like a lot of other SFX -The music in the final level (Bloody Bladder) is missing an instrumental layer and doesn't loop -Mundus shockwave attack in his ground phase looks cheap, but hey, in the PS3 HD collection it was completely invisible! And so was the skybox in the mirror world
I've only ever beaten the PS3 version of DMC1 and I remember wondering why I seemed to be randomly taking damage from Mundus. How does an obvious issue like this get missed?
Most important of all... Just play the game. No one cares about changes, many people hadn't chance to buy the first version and the ones who bought it... Have no reason to buy remastered versions.
It seems pcsx2 is still the best way to experience the game. Still can't fathom how much incompetent they can be if a fan made emulator is doing a better job than them. It's so depressing seeing my favorite game being treated like this. Especially sucks for people who are experiencing the game for the first time. Not only that they wont get the full experience, but they are paying for an inferior product and not even aware of it. Someone may not care for these missing effects and may wonder why the drama, but some of these effects have greatly added to the whole atmosphere of the game, and the first DMC is all about atmosphere, and that's why it is a big deal to me.
Feferedon PCSX2 isn't perfect either. Due to how the 2D elements like the HUD and text render, the top and bottom portions of the screen can sometimes still be native res. Sometimes the aura of orbs and things like that will have busted textures. Since it's emulation, it's probably also prohibitively more system intensive than something like a native port for those with weaker PCs
These problems has been resolved for more than a year in v1.5.0 build. The game pretty much works flawlessly now on emu. I beat the game at least once every year on emu so I know. It may be more system intensive but since I can play it at 60 fps on my toaster everyone can, on the other hand I can't event launch the pc port.
It's also sad for those in PAL regions as well, 'cuz the HD collection is the best official way to experience the gameplay in those regions due to the fact that the PAL version of the PS2 release suffers greatly from slowdown due to 50hz being the standard for PAL TVs at the time
Every game pre PS3/360 sucks cause of this. It's annoying being a collector of retro games here in Australia because you have to pay ridiculous prices for inferior versions of the game. I end up collecting pal versions and just playing pirated NTSC copies of the same game on modded systems lol.
@@Gr00t There's somewhat of a Silver Lining. Some games in the Dreamcast/PS2/Gamecube Era actually Had 60hz modes but I've only ever seen specific Companies do this (Nintendo, Capcom, Sega, etc) and they're all Japanese companies
@@Tagmon yeah it's nice when they do offer it but more often than not it's 50hz unfortunately. Only takes 10 minutes to download and burn a game for anything disc related and GameCube is even easier just put it on a USB in a modded wii but still annoying not being able to play the actual copies I'm buying.
Will wait for patches, either from Capcom or fans, before playing. Was really hoping they'd give these games the reverence they deserve and properly maintain them this time around.
No, they didn't care and they won't. Dead Rising 2 remaster crashes after 50 minutes of gameplay (that's a problem, because that game does not have an auto save feature, you can't just pause and save your game, you have to go to certain points of the game to save), they never patched that since it's launchment in 2017. Are they going to actually care for the Devil May Cry new ports?
I'm still waiting. Nothing there... It's such a shame. I gave it soooo much time, didn't check for years, now I'm coming back and there's still NOTHING. Gaming is dead, fuck Capcom!
I never played the original ps2 ver so when I saw some of these bugs playing it on PS4 I just assumed cause it was a fairly older game. To think they just actually made it worse than it originally was is very upsetting
Zippy This is the scenario I worried about when making this video. Newcomers to the series thinking DMC1 was an unpolished game due to all the inconsistencies with the port.
Catbus Yeah, it’s disappointing too because a lot of it seems like they’d be very easy tweaks and fixes to make but I guess they just don’t have the heart to bother with it
Jeez. Seeing some of these visual effects again makes it feel like I took them for granted. Never really gave Motion Blur in the game too much attention, but you can definitely get a WAY different sort of feel between the PS2 and the HD version. Without motion blur, Million Stab and a few other attacks in the game just look sorta weird and stilted rather than this cool, badass sort of flavor to everything that has it. Even some cutscenes just look off without it. Kinda sucks to see it go, really.
It's both funny and sad how the reputation of Bluepoint was so high a few months back, with the main point of it being the MGS Remaster. Now we have proof that we are safe in nobody's hands, no matter what the past says...
Just played the HD version (only game 1 so far). I didn't really have a basis of comparison, but I get why people who played the original would be annoyed. In my case, I was aware of port inaccuracies with other games - so when I see stuff like at 7:04, I knew it was a broken visual effect. They just wouldn't have made it look like that on PS2, because it makes no sense. Other things I didn't catch. I think to the average gamer, they'll chalk up every poor visual effect to it being an old PS2 game. Another example is FFX, because the facial animations are totally effed in the HD ports.
I'd say for the most part it's not an obvious night and day difference like with Sonic Adventure unless you are a diehard fan or looked up a side by side comparison video like this.
@@CaptViewtiful98 idk, I definitely noticed the not moving effects that should be moving looking really ugly and awkward and I thought to myself "oh it must just be because it's an old Ps2 game" but seeing this just makes me sad. All the effects that get messed up just look terrible, the sound effects are garbage in comparison.
None of this is game breaking, and at least they didn't do a texture overhaul like they did with the silent hill hd collection which ruined silent hill 2.
If there WERE to be a texture overhaul, I'd like to see something done in this style, where the original texture work is strictly adhered to. Even going as far as finding the original texture sources. www.re4hd.com/
AnimatorDemon they didn't do a texture overhaul on the Silent Hill HD crapfest. They used an older source code version of the games because they claim they didn't have the original source code to the final builds, when they really didn't need the source code because they didn't hire BLUEPOINT like they should've in the first place.
@@shinbakihanma2749 no they changed the graphics, the old source code is the excuse for audio, graphics and general bugs and glitches, they could have easily used a retail copy but they hired an idiot dev team known only for unknowm mobile games
I was planning on making a comparison video between PS2, PS3, and 360, where I am going to include every single issue that I know of. Unfortunately, I don't have access to my recording gear until May, so I'll make it then. I actually do know many more issues on PS3 compared to 360, but perhaps the biggest reason why I would prefer the PS3 port(even though it has more issues) is that the PS3 port looks more like the PS2 version but higher resolution. It's sort of hard to explain, but I guess that the brightness and the lightning of the PS3 version matches that of the PS2 version, but every single time I play 360, it has this brightness issue. But either way, every single HD version has failed to impress me, so I will continue to stick with PS2.
ahuynh92 As an spectator, i would be interested in seeing the ps2 dvd played on a ps3 witb BC via hardware (60gb model, not the 80gb model since that is emulation via software). That, via HDMI and with the included upscaling and soft upgrades, should be interesting to watch.
ahuynh92 Honestly, the only reason I own the PS3 DMC HD Collection is that it came included with a capcom humble bundle for ps3. I still have my PS2 DMC trilogy, thank goodness. Capcom needs to fucking face some immediate consequences over this bullshit they're pulling. I fucking hate them and their incompetent practices.
I have the PS3 version but it looks the same as the PS2 version to me personally. I’ve never played the actual PS2 version but on PS3 it still looks an outdated game. Fun to play sure, but not exactly pretty to look at.
A lazy port made me not appreciate this game as much as it deserved! I grew up with dmc3 on ps2 but never went back and played the original as it was intended. So much cinematic influence missing from the cutscenes without the in camera affects, and everything looks so cool with all of the flourishes of motion blur, proper sound fx, etc!
it should be noted that, to some users the default resolution of the HD collection causes the cutscenes of dmc 1 to lag and desync between audio and video, the effect varies so users may experiment silent cutscenes and other to have gameplay with the audio still playing. Fiddling with resolutions may fix this but can cause other effects such as laggy gameplay, etc.
some of my biggest gripes are the missing Effects during attacks with the Sparda Sword during Devil Trigger in the final Boss Battle (the red and black trails and shockwaves are completely missing). ALso, in the PS3 version, the "Crystal" of the SParda Sword is also completely missing!
Removing the motion blur was a downright improvement. It looked like ass and made everything blurry and irritating to look at. No reason to murder image quality like that, one thing the HD collection actually did good on.
Thank the PS2 but also shame it for having so many rendering tricks that developers can’t easily port to other hardware. This is why emulation needs to be embraced and supported. The thing about porting is that it will NEVER be the same version even if it looks similar but emulators are like film scans, the software plays the original version like an old film negative with all its imperfections. If games companies would just sell us Roms or host them on a streaming service for us to play with emulators of our own the game preservation would be just as good as film is.
It could've been better, but damn it was handled poorly. I was pretty disappointed when i booted up and saw the disgusting menu for the hd collection for the first time.
Gotta love how all the kids are here having buyers remorse and getting mad at the video creator for pointing out the obvious flaws in this bottom of the barrel port
Catbus i also can't get over to what they've done to griffon when he leaves the stage i always thought that effect where he glows white/red was amazing for ps2 graphics but on HD they fucking got rid of it like what the hell! >: (
I've never played anything other than the HD collection but holy wow the originals just look better. Especially as far as textures. It looks like they used a simple sharpening pass on the textures and just sent it all the way...and even if they did, it shouldn't be so obvious.
So do them again or do something different that would enhance the gaming experience, like they did for Resident Evil remastered and 0!!! How come Final Fantasy HD remastered are nicely done?
@@BoyStarPower Because they had the time and budget to make it happen. The industry is fucking brutal, sometimes you can't make something the way you want because the higher ups are breathing down your neck and threatening to hurt your career if you don't get it now now now now now.
@@KnoxCarbon then no make, it was made most likely for money because stupid fans like me would buy it with barely and major improvements besides visuals, which sometimes makes the game look worse!!!
@BoyStarPower in a few years this game is gonna be very expensive to find and its gonna cost a lot of money for people who didnt own the original ps2 version you would rather that happen then them making a working port with a few effects missing?
Really shows how far ahead the PS2 was when it came to sound, particle and other sometime overlooked effects. Even in games that had better image quality on Xbox,like Silent Hill 2, the fog and other effects were inferior VS the PS2 release. That all being said, I wish the PS2 and PS3 had less foreign hardware. Outside of Nightdive, I doubt the developers making these remasters are given the time and money to properly replicate the PS2 originals.
Something you don't point out in this that I noticed is that the audio balancing during cutscenes seems to be off in the HD Collection, mixing dialogue much lower than it was on PS2. A good example is the cutscene that starts the first Phantom fight. This can make it harder to hear characters as they're drowned out by music, though they at least finally added subtitles for Dante and Trish in this version. This could be related to the lower sample rate you pointed out that affects the music.
You can easily notice the different audio mixing at the end of the game when they transition between in-game and pre-rendered cutscenes rapidly. The in-game stuff is much quieter.
I'm a bit of a mixed bag on this. Some of the bugs like the sound bugs are rather messy but other stuff like the removed/less intense heat effects aren't exactly something I mind as they were REALLY intense in the original version from the footage I'm seeing in the video
Cyborg KiWi It’s possible they had to overcompensate a bit to properly convey the effect at the low, standard def resolution of the PS2. So some toning down is probably justified with the jump to HD, but it’s been toned down to the point that you can miss that it’s there imo.
@Gensokyo Police Department fr, they added style and unlimited weapon switching in the Switch port, but didn't even fix the textures and graphical issues like missing effects from ps2 and Transparency on Vergil and Dante's hair, capcom is just lazy with ports.
Capcom is so incompetent. How were the RE games so nicely re-released? Is DMC that much of an after thought for them? Remake and Zero got better sound, some upgraded visual aspects and even new control schemes. My guess RE was better suited to be an internal project than what DMC got. Wouldn't surprised me if the DMC Collection was outsourced to a bunch of stoners. So disappointing.
As far as I know, when it came to DMC1, the 360 got the short end of the stick. The PS3 version was more or less a straight up port aside from the gun sounds getting cranked up to ridiculous degrees (you could almost hear the sound breaking with each shot) Though the same couldn't be said for the PS3 version of DMC3, however. A broken grapple move that doesn't even work most the time, random freezing, cutscenes showing nothing but black combined with constant crashing made me wonder how they were okay with releasing Dante's Awakening in that state.
I think 1 of 3 things happened 1/ the ps2 couldnt handle everything devil may cry could do so they added stuff that made it run better *like fog and rain to make the animations look like they run smoother* so the better looking devil may cry is purely from the ps2 limitations (its weird how that happens but when you have a limitation you make a better game because of it) 2/ they gave us a silent hill HD collection clone... by that I mean they lost the final release build so used the only one they had left the fucked build (would explain why stuff didnt load like textures fog ripples and animation details) 3/ they pulled a metroid trilogy where to put everything onto 1 disc (yes the pc version is the 360 collection) they compressed alot of the effects just to fit it all onto one disc so despite having the full game it is lacking in the details but runs just as well.
That's kind of the creativity behind NES and SNES games. When you have a vision but you also have hardware and software limitations, you find ways to work around them to see that vision through.
GAME PRO24X I didn't point that out because it's actually like that in the PS2 version but it's far less pronounced/noticeable. If I were doing an HD port, that's something I'd look into cleaning up...
Watching this video from start to finish actually made me understand why the original is superior than the HD version, I brought the HD collection like couple of weeks ago and seeing the comparison between the original and HD made myself regret from getting this stupidly "HD" version And also: Thank you, dude... Now I feel like I want to get the original game and the PS2 lol
I'd actually say the removal of motion blur is a good thing. In a Stylish Action game you wanna have a good view and understanding of where your character is, what they're doing and their positioning in relation to the environment and the enemies. Having this blur around/on your character and the enemies, especially at a lower resolution like in the original release can actually be detrimental to the gameplay. So I'd personally say no motion blur helps the player more then it does make the game not look as good per say.
The reason why this has so much things "broken" is because they actually lost the source code and had to use the HD Collection from PS3 version or Xbox, can't remember, which DID have some of those effects in place, i think PS3 did, because it could emulate PS2 effects perfectly fine. PS2 is still hard to emulate, especially the Emotion Engine effects. While it's a shame they didn't make new effects and fix things when porting the game, for the majority of players, this will be a very small thing. Motion Blur is really good in DMC1, but was removed in DMC2 and DMC3 with Stinger and Gun Effects. The light portions of the levels isn't as problematic as some might think. Overall, if people don't have a PS2 and have a PC/PS4/PS5, it's worth picking up still.
Im so sorry for commenting so much, but in the old collection, Griffon's ribs work as intended! See here: ruclips.net/video/nHSRdXU-28s/видео.html at around 2:07! How did this happen?
I've tracked down the problem and figured it out. Most of the animation bugs and missing effects comes from the X360 version. The PS3 version doesn't have most of these problems(the footage you've posted is from the PS3). The PC version (and Ps4/XB1) are based on the X360 code, so the bugs got ported over. The audio problems, ugly sprites and alpha effects are all universal though. It happens in every HD collection version.
As a person who hasn't played either version of the game yet here was my take away from this video: I would have never noticed any of these changes unless you specifically pointed them out. Even when you showed a direct side by side of the changes I could never tell the difference until I read the text underneath. It seems like Devil May Cry 1 received a pretty decent HD re-release am I am looking forward to playing it in the future.
gundam2600 Hey, Capcom didn’t notice either! Which is why I made the video. I just want there to be a definitive version of DMC1. The new HD Collection is definitely the most accessible way to get into DMC1/3 and I don’t have a problem with that.
@@Catboost But that's mostly the point of my comment because I don't understand why everyone is getting upset and saying that this isn't the definitive version of DMC 1 because of a few very minor graphical changes and one gameplay change.
As a player who has over 200+ hrs in DMC1 alone, I can say there's a huge difference that I miss greatly. The blurred visual effects not only enhance the look of the game but the feeling of it while you are in motion. It made enemies appear more elusive and made projectiles fly quicker than hell. It gave a creepy looming ambience to the environment and gave the game a unique style right down to the item screen. The HD collection is still worth getting (at least on PC never played on PS3 but I believe it's the same port.) I wish they found a way to keep these visual effects from PS2 games. I know the PS3 wasn't capable of it at the time but I don't know what the excuse could be anymore.
It should be noted that the PS3 HD Collection doesn't have those problems, aparat from the audio loop. So at least you can play that version in 720p with 4xMSAA. It's exactly the same as the PS2 version. Just with the ambient looping problem.
Honestly these aren’t that big of a deal, like yeah I wish some of the ripple effects were there but the lava, underwater, sky, load screen and pause screen aren’t very noticeable at all
I like the new pause screen and barely noticed some of the audio effects. The blurring effects however made the game for me. I first noticed it when I fired Dante's guns in the air and fell in love. Those blurs are apart of almost every animation in the game, they provide one of the most unique and smoothest experiences that even DMC5's blurring effects don't offer.
Amazing Detailed video mate Congratz!!!!My Eyes are wide open than before!I was so hyped with the release back then that i MISSED all these parts omg!Great Job!!!
I’m happy that I have a ps2 and the original Devil May Cry because with that comparison from the original to HD. Original was better because by comparing the two you can tell in the original the creators took their time to make every little thing into detail for the players enjoyment.
For those really annoyed by this that's fair enough but I easily binge played through this and didn't even notice half of the issues mentioned so good to know where they are but not game breaking imo.
I feel like the thing here is that the blur (at least with the attack motions) added a sense of speed to Dante and the enemies he fights. (It also made some clips look cleaner)
It's definitely one of the HD Collection's pros, if you really dislike Motion Blur. I usually hate it, but for DMC, it adds to a sort of cheesy action movie vibe and sense of speed, kinda like the Matrix, and I gotta say that it does add some style. So I'm down with it.
Just watching this made me decide to not re-buy the HD collection on PS4, even though I already have it on PS3 I wanted to play through it again on PS4 as I saw they fixed the skybox in that one area where you fight Nelo Angelo. That Griffon effect @ 6:38 is a disgrace! Same with the lack of the water effect @ 6:51. What a lazy cash grab HD remaster, it's an utter disgrace!
Some of these really bother me, but honestly, I prefer every game without motion blur and depth of field. It's actually straining to my eyes to see them. And I played a ton of DMC1 a loooong time ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if the missing effects are not bugs but intended changes. The younger generation often dislikes these effects so i can imagine that a clear picture without the motion blur is considered "modern" and "graphically enhanced". I prefer the original myself, having it since it was released and the collection for ps3. I would wait until they have /if they fix it before buying it or wait for a deep sale
+XxNorioakixX well, whats your age range for "younger generation"? Just curious, not trying to start any problems. Im 17 but I honestly miss the motion blur and Depth of field amongst other stuff the game is missing. Ill just stick the original ps2 release for now until they patch this one.
The game is emulated, which means that all the systems it runs on has to emulate PS2 architecture. This is especially difficult due to the "emotion engine" of the PS2, responsible for graphical effects, is extremely hard to emulate while keeping 60 fps. Again, they had to get this to run on all consoles so they HAD to cut out the graphical effects, it's unlikely they had the budget to build a robust PS2 emulator for an HD collection.
It always seems like my favorite games get iffy remasters. I really want an onimusha HD collection but even if a miracle like that were to happen, it would probably end up being worse than this. Thank you so much for making this video.
So far, everything I've seen for the HD remaster of onimusha 1 looks good. It looks like they're adding useful features like full analog support and weapon switching. It seems like onimusha is getting the HD REmake treatment which is amazing.
While I understand completely what you mean with the differences in the two, a lot of your points I've noticed are about the visuals. Bear in mind, the HD edition was meant for 2012, so it looked better in 2012 compared to what we have now. This is a typical thing that happens when they do stuff like that though. They tried to clean it up by bringing the game, which was previously in 480p on the ps2, to 720p for game stations like the PS3 and Xbox 360 (as they were meant to be HD releases for those systems.) They then ported it over from the last gen systems, to PC, Xbox one, and PS4. As far as I know, they didn't make an attempt at improving it between the latest transfer. I agree though that it's shitty playing 720p game in 2018 let alone 2023. Just understand that they changed the res to 720p and altered the audio files, back in 2012. They could've done better but I feel it was a service enough to make the game playable on, at the very least a pc, so we're able to continue playing it forever (hopefully.) What gives me piece of mind when I play this is seeing this as a PS3 or Xbox 360 game, and not a game they tried to make better.
I can definitely get on board with many of these issues.. However, I'm never joining the side of "gimme back motion blur". No. The aggressive motion blur being gone in a lot of those instances is a way better thing in my opinion, especially when it comes to the use of guns.
TerrorOfTalos no it’s not I looked up footage of the hd collection on last gen and it was the cutscene with the voice crack to trish, and the blur was there. Everything else I’m not sure of but I don’t remember the sound effects being so high.
Dude, you're a true hero. You don't know how pissed I've been over this bullshit, lazy ass re-release Capcom pulled. And people are excited for it, and think they're getting a quality product. Fucked up thing is, this PS4 collection is even worse than the PS3 version. Bluepoint is the only people that should be touching remasters of old ps2 games. Glad I never gave up my original PS2 DMC games. FUCK CAPCOM.
SHIN BAKI HANMA most people seem to like it, but I personally don't find it to be faithful enough to the original, visually. I'm in the minority though! Plus they mess with the music in a few scenes, which I really have a problem with. Please don't let me stop you if it looks good to ya. I can be anal about this stuff.
@@Catboost I own the SOTC remake, and finally played it. It's absolutely brilliant. I own the HD collection on ps3 and played he PS2 originals, and I don't see any credible issue you could have against it. Not to say you ever gave a credible reason why you didn't like it. It's genuinely superior to the original. My only problem I have is that it took me this long to finally play it. Shame on me.😆
Ngl, I didn't play the original PS2 version so I have no problems with the changes made. Sure, some weird things were left out (like the mirror ripple) but doing things like tone down the music because it was overbearing I'm fine with. However, doing things like changing the skyboxes is pretty unforgivable, I mean, it's already a 30 gig game (with collection) spend the extra time to at least make it better. I don't think it's completely the newer versions fault however, I'm pretty sure the HD collection is just a port of the 360 & ps3 release.
First let me say, I absolutely agree with you. I do see everything that you pointed out. Now I am no game designer so I won’t pretend to be, but just from the title it’s just supposed to be HD, which in large it is. To do the HD and hold on to every other effect that was in the original game probably would have taken a lot of extra work. Also, when the game was designed, the textures were made to fit the resolutions we had at the time. Because things were so blurry then, detail was omitted because we merely couldn’t see them. Again, I absolutely agree with everything u picked out, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why the sound is worse, but they did overall deliver in the title, “HD” and there is no doubt that it is. The good thing is that frame rate is better and the overall gameplay is intact; it plays identical to the original. I’m glad I don’t have to go buy another PS2 to enjoy this game. At the moment of this posting, Target has the XBox One Devil May Cry HD brand new for $21.99.
I'm not a fan of motion blur but in DMC 1 it gave a sense of weight and works to hide some shitty animations, and the heat effect made some enemies look much more menacing and unnerving
Esteban Orellana Search for a video by Digital Foundry on the subject of motion blur. It can be done well, it just wasn’t done well most of the time back on the PS2. I won’t advocate for the slight full-screen blur that’s present in DMC1, but I do think the little blur trail flourishes on certain attacks and the devil trigger are Great!
i never played the ps2 version or the emulator but i heard that in the HD collection because the loading times dont exist it makes the time reguirements a bit more generous most noticably in m3 where the time limit is already so tight is it true that on the ps2 loadings times counted towards your end off mission rank?
To the contrary the audio effects if you personally upscale them to 1080p will always come out that way it was due to hardware limitation at the tim the games were originally released on ps2
200K views! Please pass this video on to Capcom, as there's an upcoming Switch port in the works and this could be a great opportunity to fix some of this stuff up.
I'll be releasing a short supplementary video shortly that will go over some stuff I overlooked while making this video.
Catbus are you going to be doing a comparison between DMC4 vs DMC4SE and DMC5 vs DMC5SE?
MadMan 90 I’d like to cover 4SE someday, yes. As for 5SE, I’ll just be recommending that everyone buy it.
@@Catboost awesome and I won't be able to afford the next gen console but i will be able to get the vergil dlc for my xbox one when the vergil dlc comes out on a later date i am excited
@Catbus Did the Switch conversion improve anything by any chance? Thanks.
thanksbetotap It's kinda weird, I've noticed that motion blur is still gone but Griffon's ribcage opens up.
I think I can explain the sound effect issue starting at 2:32. An industry standard way of reducing file size in the audio department, especially during this era, is to speed up the actual audio sample before saving it to disk. Let's say, for this example, the sound effect is designed and confirmed. It is then sped up, let's say to 200% of it's original speed. This means it takes up less space on the disc, and more importantly, less space in the limited RAM these systems had. A sped up sample = shorter sample = smaller filesize,. During gameplay, the game's audio system plays back the sample at 50% speed, resulting in the sound being heard as it was originally designed.
It sounds like whoever handled the audio in these ports did not take this into consideration. The solution would be to either modify the new audio driver to operate like the original, or to simply go through and slow down the offending samples. This might also explain some of the ambient sound looping issues.
Hydef Hyrule That explains things!
Magnífico!
Nice.
So can we manually change the sound and replace the said file with modified one?
Like i manually edit the file to playback at 50% speed and replace the original sound with the edited one
Informativ
Let us appreciate the ps2 more to give us such visuals at low quality that hides most of the effects used... breathtaking at that time
While it's nice to have these (and other 6th generation) classics around with the release of HD Collections and Remasters, I firmly believe that the original release is always the best way to go. When a game is brought over from a console from a generation past, there's always at least one thing that doesn't translate well. For me it's the lack of motion blur in some movements and the underwater effect used in Devil May Cry HD that I am not a fan of.
I do tolerate it simply because I wish to be able to play the game on newer systems, but I do not really accept it. But there isn't anything I can do aside from mentioning it here.
I own the original releases of Devil May Cry, Devil May Cry 2, Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening and Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening - Special Edition on PlayStation 2 as well as the Devil May Cry HD Collection on PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One but if I had to chose, one definitive edition, I would most certainly be PlayStation 2. It is and will forever be the best videogame console of all time if you ask me.
Pair the original with a beautiful CRT and you've got yourself one hell of an evening I tell ya mate.
It's not as bad as Silent Hill but JESUS CHRIST! Some of those bugs are unforgivable!
very true
YOU'RE A SNAKE
@Mr Skellow SH HD Collection remains broken in both PS3 and 360, PS3 version is just slightly less broken. You're better just "pirating" the PC ports and playing them with fan made patches.
@@matrix255 DMC1 dont have fanmade patches.
@@whodatninja439 I was talking about SH.
I hate when a team's original vision is mangled like this. All the effects like the ripple on the painting and Dante's spinning projectiles were added deliberately, and made this game special at the time. Now its all stripped out in the most convenient way to play this game now, so everyone thinks it looks a lot worse than it really did.
Exactly.
You could just, you know, play the PS2 version
@@MesaAufenhand Or you could play the PS2 version in 1080p and above on PCSX2.
@JTC Not all of them. Bluepoint Games did an awesome HD port for Metal Gear Solid 1-3, same guys who did the Shadow of the Colossus remake. Some games also look more or less the same if the port is good, like Beyond Good & Evil, or if they don't have many visual effects, porting to PC is also easier.
@@VergilHiltsLT For DMC HD collection, it was pipeworks and I remember the sky vortex on ps360 version who was broken
The Sparda sword in the original had a rather cool looking red lightning effect when you used it, but seemed removed in the HD version, it just makes a slight warp effect like Alaster just without the lightning.
I knew the sword looked weird, especially when you saw the cg animation in the menus of it having a red aura
I have to admit after watching this , it has opened my eyes to a lot of things I didn't notice before compared to the PS2 version and makes me appreciate the original PS2 version more and more....very good video :)
Thank you so much!
That's because you never played Dante must die there XDDDDD
5:32 "LIIIIGHT spoilers ahead" XD
WHAT!? WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!
flameonboi for the lighhhhhhhhhhhhht
I got spoiled because it was too fast and I didn't know it was a huge spoiler.
Damn I don't think I've ever heard something so cheesy and cringe before lmfao
This is pretty disappointing. Relics like these games should be taken care of better on re-release. Show the original games some love, Capcom. They deserve it.
I hope people will understand this.
The reason why the DMC HD Collection port of the first game is like this is due to the fact that this game is being emulated. The Original release was released for the PS2 and inside it consists of a Processing unit module named "Emotion Engine" and that architecture is difficult to emulate perfectly so since this was ported onto the XBOX360 and PS3 first and on XBOX ONE,PS4 and STEAM then all of those systems have a completely different architecture from one another and these systems are trying to replicate the Emotion Engine so sound issues and visual issues are bound to happen and the Engineers behind the ports has to get the game running flawlessly at 1080p at 60FPS counting the re-release of the HD Collection and on modern hardware Motion Blur can make the performance drop and at times the game will run so unstable and unplayable so the Engineers opted to remove it outright and compromises are a guaranteed fact when it comes to emulation. The reason why Griffon's ribs opened on the PS2 and not on the re-release is the Emotion Engine has additional effects processing which allows for the rib animations to work and since the game is being emulated the emulator being whatever console/pc you have cannot access those effects processing files so you are stuck with a boss who's ribs will never open. Regardless of these compromises the game runs as intended and if you ever want to rant about CAPCOM about these issues then it's not their fault. I know it sounds like I am white-knighting for CAPCOM but these games work and is fully functional. If you ever want to see a game that is so broken and not playable then look no further to Konami's 2012 Silent Hill HD Collection.
Wow, that was very interesting. Didn't knew the emotion engine module was that hard to emulate.
BRUTALSHANZ1988 Thanks for the insight! I legit was considering just emulating the DMC games through PCSX2 when I saw the video, but after your comment I understand the issues and will buy the collection instead! ^^
Yeah. thanks for this post, it sucks thats its missing minor things but at least its playable and they did what they could to preserve as much of it as possible.
before anyone goes off and buys the HDversion go look at some footage of the game in PCSX2 if the emotion engine was so hard to emulate how did they emulate it that well?
because ones a console with limited hardware in it, and ones a computer with multiple hardware in it that make it possible to emulate well, moron.
There's a few more that you didn't mention:
-Sometimes the door sound effect is sped up noticeably, like a lot of other SFX
-The music in the final level (Bloody Bladder) is missing an instrumental layer and doesn't loop
-Mundus shockwave attack in his ground phase looks cheap, but hey, in the PS3 HD collection it was completely invisible! And so was the skybox in the mirror world
I've only ever beaten the PS3 version of DMC1 and I remember wondering why I seemed to be randomly taking damage from Mundus. How does an obvious issue like this get missed?
Indeed
R Lou wow this generation is such a shit cash grab. Remakes that are less than the original content.
Most important of all...
Just play the game. No one cares about changes, many people hadn't chance to buy the first version and the ones who bought it... Have no reason to buy remastered versions.
i bought it from like 1 dollar on my ps2
I actually prefer the gunshots without motion blur.
Same . It's the only improvement for me though. Bad port all around
It seems pcsx2 is still the best way to experience the game. Still can't fathom how much incompetent they can be if a fan made emulator is doing a better job than them.
It's so depressing seeing my favorite game being treated like this. Especially sucks for people who are experiencing the game for the first time. Not only that they wont get the full experience, but they are paying for an inferior product and not even aware of it.
Someone may not care for these missing effects and may wonder why the drama, but some of these effects have greatly added to the whole atmosphere of the game, and the first DMC is all about atmosphere, and that's why it is a big deal to me.
Feferedon PCSX2 isn't perfect either. Due to how the 2D elements like the HUD and text render, the top and bottom portions of the screen can sometimes still be native res. Sometimes the aura of orbs and things like that will have busted textures.
Since it's emulation, it's probably also prohibitively more system intensive than something like a native port for those with weaker PCs
AlexxShadenk777 I've had the orb thing happen in OpenGL as well. Perhaps switching video plugins is a way to clear the issue up temporarily.
AlexxShadenk777 It wasn't a problem for me either the majority of the time.
These problems has been resolved for more than a year in v1.5.0 build. The game pretty much works flawlessly now on emu. I beat the game at least once every year on emu so I know.
It may be more system intensive but since I can play it at 60 fps on my toaster everyone can, on the other hand I can't event launch the pc port.
Yeah I know, I'm using athlon.
It's also sad for those in PAL regions as well, 'cuz the HD collection is the best official way to experience the gameplay in those regions due to the fact that the PAL version of the PS2 release suffers greatly from slowdown due to 50hz being the standard for PAL TVs at the time
Every game pre PS3/360 sucks cause of this. It's annoying being a collector of retro games here in Australia because you have to pay ridiculous prices for inferior versions of the game. I end up collecting pal versions and just playing pirated NTSC copies of the same game on modded systems lol.
@@Gr00t There's somewhat of a Silver Lining. Some games in the Dreamcast/PS2/Gamecube Era actually Had 60hz modes but I've only ever seen specific Companies do this (Nintendo, Capcom, Sega, etc) and they're all Japanese companies
@@Tagmon yeah it's nice when they do offer it but more often than not it's 50hz unfortunately. Only takes 10 minutes to download and burn a game for anything disc related and GameCube is even easier just put it on a USB in a modded wii but still annoying not being able to play the actual copies I'm buying.
Bruh, just emulate it.
@@theobell2002 emulation blows
Will wait for patches, either from Capcom or fans, before playing. Was really hoping they'd give these games the reverence they deserve and properly maintain them this time around.
i think this is the same as it was for PS3 version, so dont wait for patches
It would be a miracle if capcom actually did something like that sadly.
Just emulate the ps2 version
No, they didn't care and they won't. Dead Rising 2 remaster crashes after 50 minutes of gameplay (that's a problem, because that game does not have an auto save feature, you can't just pause and save your game, you have to go to certain points of the game to save), they never patched that since it's launchment in 2017. Are they going to actually care for the Devil May Cry new ports?
I'm still waiting. Nothing there... It's such a shame. I gave it soooo much time, didn't check for years, now I'm coming back and there's still NOTHING. Gaming is dead, fuck Capcom!
I never played the original ps2 ver so when I saw some of these bugs playing it on PS4 I just assumed cause it was a fairly older game. To think they just actually made it worse than it originally was is very upsetting
Zippy This is the scenario I worried about when making this video. Newcomers to the series thinking DMC1 was an unpolished game due to all the inconsistencies with the port.
Catbus Yeah, it’s disappointing too because a lot of it seems like they’d be very easy tweaks and fixes to make but I guess they just don’t have the heart to bother with it
at least the HD versions have updated control schemes
Jeez. Seeing some of these visual effects again makes it feel like I took them for granted. Never really gave Motion Blur in the game too much attention, but you can definitely get a WAY different sort of feel between the PS2 and the HD version. Without motion blur, Million Stab and a few other attacks in the game just look sorta weird and stilted rather than this cool, badass sort of flavor to everything that has it. Even some cutscenes just look off without it.
Kinda sucks to see it go, really.
To hell with that apologetic bullshit.
Motion blur is shit, always has been and always will be. The one thing I'm glad the HD version changed.
@@forcebrand4678 stfu
They need to give this to Bluepoint
Piotr Maksymiuk God bless your soul😄
QLOC could handle the PC port. They should've ported 4SE as well, random crashes, "forced" effects and no save slots on PC are just... ugh.
Exactly
It's both funny and sad how the reputation of Bluepoint was so high a few months back, with the main point of it being the MGS Remaster.
Now we have proof that we are safe in nobody's hands, no matter what the past says...
Shinkiro What are you talking about?
7:48 he shouldve been the one to fill your dark ocean with light
LOL!
Sounds poetic
Just played the HD version (only game 1 so far). I didn't really have a basis of comparison, but I get why people who played the original would be annoyed. In my case, I was aware of port inaccuracies with other games - so when I see stuff like at 7:04, I knew it was a broken visual effect. They just wouldn't have made it look like that on PS2, because it makes no sense. Other things I didn't catch. I think to the average gamer, they'll chalk up every poor visual effect to it being an old PS2 game.
Another example is FFX, because the facial animations are totally effed in the HD ports.
I like the original softer look. Most textures don’t up res well and they haven’t done much anything to the textures to improve them
So they Sonic Adventure DX`ed the game, damn
gamer gamer pretty fucking much.😔
Gotta go fast!
I'd say for the most part it's not an obvious night and day difference like with Sonic Adventure unless you are a diehard fan or looked up a side by side comparison video like this.
@@CaptViewtiful98 idk, I definitely noticed the not moving effects that should be moving looking really ugly and awkward and I thought to myself "oh it must just be because it's an old Ps2 game" but seeing this just makes me sad. All the effects that get messed up just look terrible, the sound effects are garbage in comparison.
I'd say the DX port is much, MUCH worse though.
But this is pretty bad as well.
motion blur was the king in ps2
So was audio
None of this is game breaking, and at least they didn't do a texture overhaul like they did with the silent hill hd collection which ruined silent hill 2.
If there WERE to be a texture overhaul, I'd like to see something done in this style, where the original texture work is strictly adhered to. Even going as far as finding the original texture sources.
www.re4hd.com/
AnimatorDemon they didn't do a texture overhaul on the Silent Hill HD crapfest. They used an older source code version of the games because they claim they didn't have the original source code to the final builds, when they really didn't need the source code because they didn't hire BLUEPOINT like they should've in the first place.
@@shinbakihanma2749 no they changed the graphics, the old source code is the excuse for audio, graphics and general bugs and glitches, they could have easily used a retail copy but they hired an idiot dev team known only for unknowm mobile games
I was planning on making a comparison video between PS2, PS3, and 360, where I am going to include every single issue that I know of. Unfortunately, I don't have access to my recording gear until May, so I'll make it then. I actually do know many more issues on PS3 compared to 360, but perhaps the biggest reason why I would prefer the PS3 port(even though it has more issues) is that the PS3 port looks more like the PS2 version but higher resolution. It's sort of hard to explain, but I guess that the brightness and the lightning of the PS3 version matches that of the PS2 version, but every single time I play 360, it has this brightness issue. But either way, every single HD version has failed to impress me, so I will continue to stick with PS2.
ahuynh92 As an spectator, i would be interested in seeing the ps2 dvd played on a ps3 witb BC via hardware (60gb model, not the 80gb model since that is emulation via software).
That, via HDMI and with the included upscaling and soft upgrades, should be interesting to watch.
I don't have a BC PS3, though it might be something I might consider doing if I ever get a BC PS3.
ahuynh92 I'm looking forward to that. I'll be keeping tabs on your channel.
ahuynh92 Honestly, the only reason I own the PS3 DMC HD Collection is that it came included with a capcom humble bundle for ps3. I still have my PS2 DMC trilogy, thank goodness. Capcom needs to fucking face some immediate consequences over this bullshit they're pulling. I fucking hate them and their incompetent practices.
I have the PS3 version but it looks the same as the PS2 version to me personally. I’ve never played the actual PS2 version but on PS3 it still looks an outdated game. Fun to play sure, but not exactly pretty to look at.
No motion blur is definitely a positive for me not negative
Yeah the blurring really gave the beyond human feel. It’s the same as the Matrix movements which was hot shit back in the day too
Except motion blur in this game was not hot shit. It was just shit. Glad to see it go.
A lazy port made me not appreciate this game as much as it deserved! I grew up with dmc3 on ps2 but never went back and played the original as it was intended. So much cinematic influence missing from the cutscenes without the in camera affects, and everything looks so cool with all of the flourishes of motion blur, proper sound fx, etc!
Why is ps2 version so much better
Blood Blossom PS2 stronk
Blood Blossom Emotion Engine baybee
it should be noted that, to some users the default resolution of the HD collection causes the cutscenes of dmc 1 to lag and desync between audio and video, the effect varies so users may experiment silent cutscenes and other to have gameplay with the audio still playing. Fiddling with resolutions may fix this but can cause other effects such as laggy gameplay, etc.
I appreciate your work, but I wonder why you omitted that bad sky vortex effect in the mirror world, that was the most striking difference to me.
Yep gone in the ps3 version as well.
some of my biggest gripes are the missing Effects during attacks with the Sparda Sword during Devil Trigger in the final Boss Battle (the red and black trails and shockwaves are completely missing). ALso, in the PS3 version, the "Crystal" of the SParda Sword is also completely missing!
I love these types of videos
Love these indepth comparisons!
I am glad that I still have the original PS2 DMC games!
Removing the motion blur was a downright improvement. It looked like ass and made everything blurry and irritating to look at. No reason to murder image quality like that, one thing the HD collection actually did good on.
Thank the PS2 but also shame it for having so many rendering tricks that developers can’t easily port to other hardware. This is why emulation needs to be embraced and supported. The thing about porting is that it will NEVER be the same version even if it looks similar but emulators are like film scans, the software plays the original version like an old film negative with all its imperfections.
If games companies would just sell us Roms or host them on a streaming service for us to play with emulators of our own the game preservation would be just as good as film is.
Originals are always the best
It could've been better, but damn it was handled poorly. I was pretty disappointed when i booted up and saw the disgusting menu for the hd collection for the first time.
Gotta love how all the kids are here having buyers remorse and getting mad at the video creator for pointing out the obvious flaws in this bottom of the barrel port
Oh wow the devil trigger looks so fucking awful without the cool blur effect when running wtf capcom! If it isn't broke don't fix it
The Nero Angelo fights look a lot less cool with all the missing motion blur.
Catbus i also can't get over to what they've done to griffon when he leaves the stage i always thought that effect where he glows white/red was amazing for ps2 graphics but on HD they fucking got rid of it like what the hell! >: (
Amazing videos! Really deserves more viewership
This is exactly the type of stuff I‘m worried about in remasters
I've never played anything other than the HD collection but holy wow the originals just look better. Especially as far as textures. It looks like they used a simple sharpening pass on the textures and just sent it all the way...and even if they did, it shouldn't be so obvious.
Apparently the dev team had a hard time porting this game because a lot of code was lost, hence the missing effects.
So do them again or do something different that would enhance the gaming experience, like they did for Resident Evil remastered and 0!!! How come Final Fantasy HD remastered are nicely done?
@@BoyStarPower Because they had the time and budget to make it happen. The industry is fucking brutal, sometimes you can't make something the way you want because the higher ups are breathing down your neck and threatening to hurt your career if you don't get it now now now now now.
@@KnoxCarbon then no make, it was made most likely for money because stupid fans like me would buy it with barely and major improvements besides visuals, which sometimes makes the game look worse!!!
@@BoyStarPower So you don't want other people to have fun with a game?
@BoyStarPower in a few years this game is gonna be very expensive to find and its gonna cost a lot of money for people who didnt own the original ps2 version you would rather that happen then them making a working port with a few effects missing?
Really shows how far ahead the PS2 was when it came to sound, particle and other sometime overlooked effects. Even in games that had better image quality on Xbox,like Silent Hill 2, the fog and other effects were inferior VS the PS2 release.
That all being said, I wish the PS2 and PS3 had less foreign hardware. Outside of Nightdive, I doubt the developers making these remasters are given the time and money to properly replicate the PS2 originals.
I never had time for this series. I'm super impressed by what I'm seeing here.
I'm glad if this video somehow ends up nudging you to try them out!
How could they mess this up so bad man…
Something you don't point out in this that I noticed is that the audio balancing during cutscenes seems to be off in the HD Collection, mixing dialogue much lower than it was on PS2. A good example is the cutscene that starts the first Phantom fight. This can make it harder to hear characters as they're drowned out by music, though they at least finally added subtitles for Dante and Trish in this version. This could be related to the lower sample rate you pointed out that affects the music.
You can easily notice the different audio mixing at the end of the game when they transition between in-game and pre-rendered cutscenes rapidly. The in-game stuff is much quieter.
I'm a bit of a mixed bag on this. Some of the bugs like the sound bugs are rather messy but other stuff like the removed/less intense heat effects aren't exactly something I mind as they were REALLY intense in the original version from the footage I'm seeing in the video
Cyborg KiWi It’s possible they had to overcompensate a bit to properly convey the effect at the low, standard def resolution of the PS2. So some toning down is probably justified with the jump to HD, but it’s been toned down to the point that you can miss that it’s there imo.
That's great to point out. Thanks for spending your time on this, it's better on the original and looks less buggy.
I ain’t it funny how the older games are still the best?
Funny cause I'm a teen and I really don't like newer games.
@Taykex 980 yea
@Gensokyo Police Department fr, they added style and unlimited weapon switching in the Switch port, but didn't even fix the textures and graphical issues like missing effects from ps2 and Transparency on Vergil and Dante's hair, capcom is just lazy with ports.
Motion blur should've been an option, but I do prefer no motion blur.
I’m actually ok with the no motion blur.
A lot of this is just nitpicking honestly, doesn't ruin the game as a whole.
I agree
is not nitpicking when something that was there was there for a reason
Capcom is so incompetent. How were the RE games so nicely re-released? Is DMC that much of an after thought for them? Remake and Zero got better sound, some upgraded visual aspects and even new control schemes. My guess RE was better suited to be an internal project than what DMC got. Wouldn't surprised me if the DMC Collection was outsourced to a bunch of stoners. So disappointing.
MamoMark As soon as I saw they were getting an RE-make sort of thing I knew they didn't really care.
Probably had a different studio do this rerelease.
Isn't it just a port of the 360/PS3 collection? Were those versions plagued by these same issues?
As far as I know, when it came to DMC1, the 360 got the short end of the stick. The PS3 version was more or less a straight up port aside from the gun sounds getting cranked up to ridiculous degrees (you could almost hear the sound breaking with each shot)
Though the same couldn't be said for the PS3 version of DMC3, however. A broken grapple move that doesn't even work most the time, random freezing, cutscenes showing nothing but black combined with constant crashing made me wonder how they were okay with releasing Dante's Awakening in that state.
MamoMark that's exactly what Capcom did. they cut corners and hired inexperienced hacks.
I think 1 of 3 things happened
1/ the ps2 couldnt handle everything devil may cry could do so they added stuff that made it run better *like fog and rain to make the animations look like they run smoother* so the better looking devil may cry is purely from the ps2 limitations (its weird how that happens but when you have a limitation you make a better game because of it)
2/ they gave us a silent hill HD collection clone... by that I mean they lost the final release build so used the only one they had left the fucked build (would explain why stuff didnt load like textures fog ripples and animation details)
3/ they pulled a metroid trilogy where to put everything onto 1 disc (yes the pc version is the 360 collection) they compressed alot of the effects just to fit it all onto one disc so despite having the full game it is lacking in the details but runs just as well.
That's kind of the creativity behind NES and SNES games. When you have a vision but you also have hardware and software limitations, you find ways to work around them to see that vision through.
LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE
9:55 yo check out that square lightning lol
GAME PRO24X I didn't point that out because it's actually like that in the PS2 version but it's far less pronounced/noticeable. If I were doing an HD port, that's something I'd look into cleaning up...
Watching this video from start to finish actually made me understand why the original is superior than the HD version, I brought the HD collection like couple of weeks ago and seeing the comparison between the original and HD made myself regret from getting this stupidly "HD" version
And also: Thank you, dude... Now I feel like I want to get the original game and the PS2 lol
Details man, they are important
GCN reference
I'd actually say the removal of motion blur is a good thing. In a Stylish Action game you wanna have a good view and understanding of where your character is, what they're doing and their positioning in relation to the environment and the enemies. Having this blur around/on your character and the enemies, especially at a lower resolution like in the original release can actually be detrimental to the gameplay. So I'd personally say no motion blur helps the player more then it does make the game not look as good per say.
The reason why this has so much things "broken" is because they actually lost the source code and had to use the HD Collection from PS3 version or Xbox, can't remember, which DID have some of those effects in place, i think PS3 did, because it could emulate PS2 effects perfectly fine. PS2 is still hard to emulate, especially the Emotion Engine effects. While it's a shame they didn't make new effects and fix things when porting the game, for the majority of players, this will be a very small thing. Motion Blur is really good in DMC1, but was removed in DMC2 and DMC3 with Stinger and Gun Effects. The light portions of the levels isn't as problematic as some might think.
Overall, if people don't have a PS2 and have a PC/PS4/PS5, it's worth picking up still.
Geez, that sounds very familiar. Silent Hill HD Collection was worse than this though in every conceivable way.
Im so sorry for commenting so much, but in the old collection, Griffon's ribs work as intended! See here: ruclips.net/video/nHSRdXU-28s/видео.html at around 2:07! How did this happen?
I've tracked down the problem and figured it out. Most of the animation bugs and missing effects comes from the X360 version. The PS3 version doesn't have most of these problems(the footage you've posted is from the PS3). The PC version (and Ps4/XB1) are based on the X360 code, so the bugs got ported over. The audio problems, ugly sprites and alpha effects are all universal though. It happens in every HD collection version.
so 360 ruined it all
Geff 16999 yes
I"d ask why the fuck capcom used the 360 version as the base, but then the answer is Capcom.
clayisahottie Please
Im so glad you documented the different sound effects. I knew I remebered them differently
As a person who hasn't played either version of the game yet here was my take away from this video:
I would have never noticed any of these changes unless you specifically pointed them out. Even when you showed a direct side by side of the changes I could never tell the difference until I read the text underneath.
It seems like Devil May Cry 1 received a pretty decent HD re-release am I am looking forward to playing it in the future.
gundam2600 Hey, Capcom didn’t notice either! Which is why I made the video.
I just want there to be a definitive version of DMC1. The new HD Collection is definitely the most accessible way to get into DMC1/3 and I don’t have a problem with that.
@@Catboost
But that's mostly the point of my comment because I don't understand why everyone is getting upset and saying that this isn't the definitive version of DMC 1 because of a few very minor graphical changes and one gameplay change.
As a player who has over 200+ hrs in DMC1 alone, I can say there's a huge difference that I miss greatly.
The blurred visual effects not only enhance the look of the game but the feeling of it while you are in motion. It made enemies appear more elusive and made projectiles fly quicker than hell. It gave a creepy looming ambience to the environment and gave the game a unique style right down to the item screen.
The HD collection is still worth getting (at least on PC never played on PS3 but I believe it's the same port.) I wish they found a way to keep these visual effects from PS2 games. I know the PS3 wasn't capable of it at the time but I don't know what the excuse could be anymore.
It should be noted that the PS3 HD Collection doesn't have those problems, aparat from the audio loop. So at least you can play that version in 720p with 4xMSAA. It's exactly the same as the PS2 version. Just with the ambient looping problem.
(holds Capcom's corpse). I should've been the one TO FILL YOUR DARK SOUL WITH LIIIIGHT, LIIIIGHT, LIIIIGHT, LIIIIGHT!!!!!! 😔
SHIN BAKI HANMA ba-bakana?!
It's funny reading this comment after dmc5 and re 2 remake came out
@@nbin57 after resident evil 3, capcom really needs some light.. and decent people to make proper ports.
Such a shame to see they didn't put any real time or dedication into the HD remaster
Honestly these aren’t that big of a deal, like yeah I wish some of the ripple effects were there but the lava, underwater, sky, load screen and pause screen aren’t very noticeable at all
They really are to me. The tacky audio gets me the most.
Harry Willmore Welcome to the ADHD Club! Just kidding!
I like the new pause screen and barely noticed some of the audio effects. The blurring effects however made the game for me. I first noticed it when I fired Dante's guns in the air and fell in love. Those blurs are apart of almost every animation in the game, they provide one of the most unique and smoothest experiences that even DMC5's blurring effects don't offer.
Amazing Detailed video mate Congratz!!!!My Eyes are wide open than before!I was so hyped with the release back then that i MISSED all these parts omg!Great Job!!!
Great video but hd collection has fixed dmc 3 crappy framerate. So that's one positive point there
Christ, looking at the comparisons it’s like they cleaned up so much, it actually removed some of the important stuff!
I’m happy that I have a ps2 and the original Devil May Cry because with that comparison from the original to HD. Original was better because by comparing the two you can tell in the original the creators took their time to make every little thing into detail for the players enjoyment.
For those really annoyed by this that's fair enough but I easily binge played through this and didn't even notice half of the issues mentioned so good to know where they are but not game breaking imo.
Motion blur being removed is never a problem
Especially in a heavy action game, you're correct sir
Yeah it makes my eyes hurt a bit honestly
I feel like the thing here is that the blur (at least with the attack motions) added a sense of speed to Dante and the enemies he fights. (It also made some clips look cleaner)
It's definitely one of the HD Collection's pros, if you really dislike Motion Blur.
I usually hate it, but for DMC, it adds to a sort of cheesy action movie vibe and sense of speed, kinda like the Matrix, and I gotta say that it does add some style. So I'm down with it.
sure if it's meant to be, which DMC HD Collection and other PS2 ports clearly weren't
Honestly when your playing the HD version, you don't even notice these shortcomings. I had a blast ;)
An odd comment. If I hadn't noticed them I wouldn't have made this video.
Just watching this made me decide to not re-buy the HD collection on PS4, even though I already have it on PS3 I wanted to play through it again on PS4 as I saw they fixed the skybox in that one area where you fight Nelo Angelo.
That Griffon effect @ 6:38 is a disgrace! Same with the lack of the water effect @ 6:51. What a lazy cash grab HD remaster, it's an utter disgrace!
and i was just here debating whether I should get the hd collection of dmc4se since there's just a few cents in price difference
That motion blur on movements made the original look sick (the good kind of sick.)
Some of these really bother me, but honestly, I prefer every game without motion blur and depth of field. It's actually straining to my eyes to see them. And I played a ton of DMC1 a loooong time ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if the missing effects are not bugs but intended changes. The younger generation often dislikes these effects so i can imagine that a clear picture without the motion blur is considered "modern" and "graphically enhanced".
I prefer the original myself, having it since it was released and the collection for ps3. I would wait until they have /if they fix it before buying it or wait for a deep sale
XxNoriakixX The thing with Griffin and the audio looping are 100% bugs. And even the visual changes are buggy.
+XxNorioakixX well, whats your age range for "younger generation"? Just curious, not trying to start any problems. Im 17 but I honestly miss the motion blur and Depth of field amongst other stuff the game is missing. Ill just stick the original ps2 release for now until they patch this one.
The PS3 is the same as this game. This is a port of the PS3 remaster. The PS2 versions are way different.
Sometimes the motion blur looks great but I would take it out for the guns. Seems unnecessary.
The game is emulated, which means that all the systems it runs on has to emulate PS2 architecture. This is especially difficult due to the "emotion engine" of the PS2, responsible for graphical effects, is extremely hard to emulate while keeping 60 fps. Again, they had to get this to run on all consoles so they HAD to cut out the graphical effects, it's unlikely they had the budget to build a robust PS2 emulator for an HD collection.
Great video man!
It always seems like my favorite games get iffy remasters. I really want an onimusha HD collection but even if a miracle like that were to happen, it would probably end up being worse than this. Thank you so much for making this video.
this remaster is fine. At least it works.
Good news! Onimusha is getting an HD release. I'll be doing a video on it if it has any mistakes, for sure.
So far, everything I've seen for the HD remaster of onimusha 1 looks good. It looks like they're adding useful features like full analog support and weapon switching. It seems like onimusha is getting the HD REmake treatment which is amazing.
While I understand completely what you mean with the differences in the two, a lot of your points I've noticed are about the visuals. Bear in mind, the HD edition was meant for 2012, so it looked better in 2012 compared to what we have now. This is a typical thing that happens when they do stuff like that though. They tried to clean it up by bringing the game, which was previously in 480p on the ps2, to 720p for game stations like the PS3 and Xbox 360 (as they were meant to be HD releases for those systems.) They then ported it over from the last gen systems, to PC, Xbox one, and PS4. As far as I know, they didn't make an attempt at improving it between the latest transfer. I agree though that it's shitty playing 720p game in 2018 let alone 2023. Just understand that they changed the res to 720p and altered the audio files, back in 2012. They could've done better but I feel it was a service enough to make the game playable on, at the very least a pc, so we're able to continue playing it forever (hopefully.) What gives me piece of mind when I play this is seeing this as a PS3 or Xbox 360 game, and not a game they tried to make better.
Nobody:
Peter Griffin: 4:17
yes hahaha
now I can't unhear it.
I can definitely get on board with many of these issues.. However, I'm never joining the side of "gimme back motion blur". No. The aggressive motion blur being gone in a lot of those instances is a way better thing in my opinion, especially when it comes to the use of guns.
The alpha effects look like the cards when you beat Windows XP solitaire
YEAH
I don't think anybody should consider the removal of motion blur as bad, but the one game that used it so well was this
The originals are usually always better. But it's a good hd collection I own it and enjoy it. I also own all the games for PS2 and I got my PS2.
I've already got this on PS3 and PS4. Now I feel like acquiring a PS2 to play this authentically.
Remember how the PS2 edition of DMC was far superior? Holy shit
Man this makes me glad I still have my PS2 copy.
And this is why I stick to my PS3 HD Collection.
The lack of motion blur is always much better imo. I have bad eyes so its always nice to see things clearly and without blur trails
How about the old HD version that on the PS3/360? Is it faithful or it does have those oddities?
Need to know this too
Koko the Arabian yea I played the 360 version of the Hd collection and it didn’t lack any of this stuff from my memory
Owen Krauss Well that's false
TerrorOfTalos no it’s not I looked up footage of the hd collection on last gen and it was the cutscene with the voice crack to trish, and the blur was there. Everything else I’m not sure of but I don’t remember the sound effects being so high.
PS3 you mean...
Dude, you're a true hero. You don't know how pissed I've been over this bullshit, lazy ass re-release Capcom pulled. And people are excited for it, and think they're getting a quality product. Fucked up thing is, this PS4 collection is even worse than the PS3 version. Bluepoint is the only people that should be touching remasters of old ps2 games. Glad I never gave up my original PS2 DMC games. FUCK CAPCOM.
SHIN BAKI HANMA Yeah, bluepoint did an excellent job with the Ico Collection on PS3. Not a fan of their SOTC Remake though.
Catbus I haven't played the SOTC Remake yet. Is it really that bad??
SHIN BAKI HANMA most people seem to like it, but I personally don't find it to be faithful enough to the original, visually. I'm in the minority though! Plus they mess with the music in a few scenes, which I really have a problem with.
Please don't let me stop you if it looks good to ya. I can be anal about this stuff.
@@Catboost I own the SOTC remake, and finally played it. It's absolutely brilliant. I own the HD collection on ps3 and played he PS2 originals, and I don't see any credible issue you could have against it. Not to say you ever gave a credible reason why you didn't like it. It's genuinely superior to the original. My only problem I have is that it took me this long to finally play it. Shame on me.😆
Ngl, I didn't play the original PS2 version so I have no problems with the changes made. Sure, some weird things were left out (like the mirror ripple) but doing things like tone down the music because it was overbearing I'm fine with.
However, doing things like changing the skyboxes is pretty unforgivable, I mean, it's already a 30 gig game (with collection) spend the extra time to at least make it better.
I don't think it's completely the newer versions fault however, I'm pretty sure the HD collection is just a port of the 360 & ps3 release.
First let me say, I absolutely agree with you. I do see everything that you pointed out. Now I am no game designer so I won’t pretend to be, but just from the title it’s just supposed to be HD, which in large it is. To do the HD and hold on to every other effect that was in the original game probably would have taken a lot of extra work. Also, when the game was designed, the textures were made to fit the resolutions we had at the time. Because things were so blurry then, detail was omitted because we merely couldn’t see them.
Again, I absolutely agree with everything u picked out, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why the sound is worse, but they did overall deliver in the title, “HD” and there is no doubt that it is.
The good thing is that frame rate is better and the overall gameplay is intact; it plays identical to the original. I’m glad I don’t have to go buy another PS2 to enjoy this game. At the moment of this posting, Target has the XBox One Devil May Cry HD brand new for $21.99.
I'm not a fan of motion blur but in DMC 1 it gave a sense of weight and works to hide some shitty animations, and the heat effect made some enemies look much more menacing and unnerving
Esteban Orellana Search for a video by Digital Foundry on the subject of motion blur. It can be done well, it just wasn’t done well most of the time back on the PS2.
I won’t advocate for the slight full-screen blur that’s present in DMC1, but I do think the little blur trail flourishes on certain attacks and the devil trigger are Great!
i never played the ps2 version or the emulator but i heard that in the HD collection because the loading times dont exist it makes the time reguirements a bit more generous most noticably in m3 where the time limit is already so tight is it true that on the ps2 loadings times counted towards your end off mission rank?
To the contrary the audio effects if you personally upscale them to 1080p will always come out that way it was due to hardware limitation at the tim the games were originally released on ps2
i did NOT like the motion blur, so better for me
same lol