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  • Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024

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  • @Robodude_0528
    @Robodude_0528 Месяц назад +59

    I love how Bloober approached the concept of the remembrances. They’re Deja Vu. James knows something significant happened in these spots (and we the player who experienced the original), but it is different because we’re not playing as that James this time

  • @TheHostileG
    @TheHostileG Месяц назад +25

    Never really considered that each of the dungeons could be seen as prisons outside of the literal one. It honestly seems like they all fit that description to an extent.
    Wood Side: The prison of home.
    Brookhaven: The prison of the ill.
    Toluca Prison: The prison of the guilty.
    The Labyrinth: The prison of the beast.
    Lakeside: The prison of memories.

  • @woolflower8316
    @woolflower8316 Месяц назад +48

    Watched a lot of different playthroughs of the remake, and from the people who played the original before, it was surprising that none of them mentioned the room. Sure, maybe not the one at the apartments as they might think it's just a "normal" room like the others, but then it appears again, and again, and again on the Labyrinth... And yet not a reaction of, "Is this their place? Is that Mary's room, is that her bed?" It was so frustrating, haha!

    • @Sefiros
      @Sefiros Месяц назад +8

      I clocked it the second I went in and visited the bedroom. It was clearly Mary's bed from the ending of the original.

    • @azarahterrafrost2031
      @azarahterrafrost2031 Месяц назад

      Bloober has their pros, but they definitely have their cons too. Sadly, said cons were beyond simple to avoid, it was intentional, and left a shit stain on specific things, imo.

    • @ExValeFor
      @ExValeFor Месяц назад

      @@azarahterrafrost2031 what exactly does that have to do with the OP's comment

  • @Apollonia93
    @Apollonia93 Месяц назад +22

    18:00 - This blanket in room 201 is the same one that James has lying in the backseat of his car. Just a side note, but on PC where you can use free camera and no clip hacks, you can find that the devs did not actually place Mary’s body underneath it. Which would have been a neat little easter egg, for sure. If you go underneath the map, there is another blanket as an unused prop that absolutely is shaped like there is a body underneath it, but again, no actual model if you go through it.

    • @KermaPippuri
      @KermaPippuri 9 дней назад

      The same blanket is in the Blue Creek´s mirror apartment 208, in pristine condition despite the whole apartment being destroyed and covered in grime.

  • @whoisyouranime
    @whoisyouranime Месяц назад +67

    Boy, you analyze this game like crazy. Must have been fun finding new things about Silent Hill 2 Remake. I admire your dedication.

  • @NotAGoodUsername360
    @NotAGoodUsername360 Месяц назад +26

    Bloober REALLY dug deep into SH2 and added SO much new texture and flavor to what was already a masterpiece. They approached this project with the reverence of restorationists working on the Sistine Chapel, and it shows.

  • @Apollonia93
    @Apollonia93 Месяц назад +42

    What do you think about the theory that Maria was not created out of James’ guilt and desires, but out of Mary’s? As the subscenario in the original game’s director’s cut/greatest hits version called it; Born From A Wish.

    • @weRnd1000
      @weRnd1000 Месяц назад +13

      That would make sense as she wanted to be desired by James.

    • @avaneesh.t
      @avaneesh.t Месяц назад +14

      It would not explain a few things though.
      1. Maria is the only NPC that interacts with the monsters that James is seeing, hinting towards her being a figment of James’ psyche just like the other monsters.
      2. Pyramid Head (representation of James’ guilt) keeps killing Maria over and over, as James keeps on playing the thought of killing Mary and the guilt surrounding it over and over in his subconscious mind.
      3. Although plausible, it seems the wish could be Mary’s but Maria keeps acting out of character and scolds / taunts / accuses James several times. Not really sure if Mary wished for that. It seems like how much James wants Maria to be like that, the real sick part of Mary slips out.

    • @maternalheart66
      @maternalheart66 Месяц назад +10

      @@avaneesh.t 1. Could be explained by James and Mary's deep emotional connection. Silent Hill is just trying to lure James in and keep him with his past experiences, which within Silent Hill were all with Mary. So Silent Hill could be using Mary's lingering feelings and desires to make James believe things really are better and she's happy now. This would mean Silent Hill basically takes a piece of Mary's experience and injects directly into James' simulation. We know the town decides who see's what at what time based on James seeing Angelas world briefly.
      2. Pyramid Head could be killing Maria because Mary ultimately feels guilty for not being Maria for James; i.e. she died before she could becomes someone like Maria.
      3. As we hear in game, Mary had worse things than taunting to say to James. She's particularly cruel in the final hallway scene. Mary was evidently very quiet and meek but had other feelings her pain brought out - Maria could be the middle ground of a confident Mary who's comfortable calling out bull sh!t.

    • @kittypaw92501
      @kittypaw92501 Месяц назад +3

      @@maternalheart66 Replying to your third point only: Could Maria be the person that Mary used to be and now resents herself for being sick and James for reminding her that she isn't this once confident and vibrant person anymore? Reading the length of this thread the thought just occurred to me; perhaps that Maria isn't a born from a wish that James made but one that Mary made on her deathbed i.e. if she ever gets better she is going to leave James and become a confident and vibrant person again. The hallway scene can be interpreted as Mary trying to do this but in a toxic al la Maria like way. I have more thoughts but for now I will put a pin in the subject and ask what are your thoughts about it?

    • @CabezasDePescado
      @CabezasDePescado Месяц назад +1

      Fan theories, iuck

  • @r.babylon2885
    @r.babylon2885 17 дней назад +1

    The note about the prisoner making the choice again and again... I took it as silent hill talking to James, or the player

  • @SuperBlashyrk
    @SuperBlashyrk Месяц назад +28

    13:20
    The same 9 squares, as on the final save point. This whole "prison cell" is a short effective summary/allegory of James' entire journey in the game
    18:00
    The same blanket (covering a certain someone's body) that can be found in the trunk/backseat of James' car
    18:45
    The note from the flower shop (as soon as you enter the town at the beginning of a game) describes a man ordering "a mixed bouquet, red and white"

  • @erikh1038
    @erikh1038 Месяц назад +15

    That bit about the tale of Oisín literally fired off a neuron especially with the golden apple in the wardrobe being in the right hand knob and opening to reveal a wedding dress

  • @KermaPippuri
    @KermaPippuri Месяц назад +10

    I need to mention the fact that the tree of life having the newly blossomed flowers on the crescent moon side, and the garden of eden being mentioned, the symbol of Lilith bears a crescent moon. Maria wears the bracelet of Lilith. She's also the yet healthy version of Mary, soon to fall ill and die as well.

  • @Mankey619
    @Mankey619 Месяц назад +7

    The Woodside Apartment in this remake has given so much incredible lore here. The tenant who wrote these letters really has shown his mental deterioration here.

  • @martabarrales3112
    @martabarrales3112 Месяц назад +132

    Not gonna lie, yours is the only opinion that matters for me on this subject.

    • @omega3fatass61
      @omega3fatass61 Месяц назад

      yes

    • @chrisbee1984
      @chrisbee1984 Месяц назад +6

      They are great asset to the community but don't limit yourself like that.

    • @jarlwhiterun7478
      @jarlwhiterun7478 Месяц назад +3

      Why would you lie? Are you prone to lying and telling the truth is out of character for you?

    • @phant0mdummy
      @phant0mdummy Месяц назад

      ​@@chrisbee1984Yea, she has always had fantastic coverage but there's so many good RUclipsrs for SH

    • @pooppyybuhhole
      @pooppyybuhhole Месяц назад

      Liar

  • @glassisland
    @glassisland Месяц назад +5

    The level of detail and thought that went into the remake continues to impress me. I noticed the mirror-image quality of the two apartments but didn't catch that it doesn't show up on the Blue Creek map, and missed the similarity to Mary's room. Great video.

  • @gabrieldufour1945
    @gabrieldufour1945 Месяц назад +2

    I might still not play the game, but I'm glad it means actually something in the whole Silent Hill continuity, not just as a remake.
    Congratulations, Bloobers. And nice video, Muse, as always.

  • @harris23456
    @harris23456 Месяц назад +6

    What if the guy who flooded the apartments is the same guy who only calms down in water in the hospital?

  • @RunnerEye
    @RunnerEye Месяц назад +18

    As an Irish person, hearing you attempting the Irish pronunciations is great hehehe

  • @ramonzeiro
    @ramonzeiro Месяц назад +7

    This was a great video. I love your content. So happy we have a new game for you to analyze. Thanks for existing!

  • @kenn-fucius
    @kenn-fucius Месяц назад +1

    The journey from the eerie, mist-shrouded streets to the haunting halls of Woodside Apartments and the haunting conclusion at Lakeview were the highlights of this remake for me. Those sections truly captured the spirit and tension that made Silent Hill 2 remake unforgettable and won me over. The rest of the game, though, left me with mixed feelings

  • @carltonbanks7566
    @carltonbanks7566 Месяц назад +9

    Wow, this was amazing 👏 watched all of it and loved OT to the end! Thanks as always Muse, you're hands down the best Silent Hill content creator I've followed throughout these years ❤❤❤

  • @BadHumans
    @BadHumans Месяц назад +2

    Room 201's bedroom, Mary's bedroom, also has the same photos from the OG. The picture shown at 16:45 is in this room, above the lamp, stained & smeared with something. Below & to the right of it is the photo of the Lakeview hotel.

  • @evilfungas
    @evilfungas Месяц назад +3

    I love your attention to detail.

  • @hellouy69
    @hellouy69 Месяц назад +3

    Just recently found ur content and I've been binging it all day thanks so much for ur analysis vids even tho there are billions of different silent hill analysis channels urs stands out as one of the best imho

  • @jentzi23
    @jentzi23 Месяц назад +8

    There was a photo cipher somewhere, I don't know if it was on twitter, that was abit mindblowing. I am not gonna spoil it, just gonna say that the message rings true both for James and to us who played the first Silent Hill 2 back then.

  • @UnliHighlights
    @UnliHighlights Месяц назад +2

    no comment is enough to explain this feeling. thanks for this wonderful video muse.

  • @SirLaguna
    @SirLaguna Месяц назад +2

    I'm in awe of the amount of details you found. Great job! Also, Bloober Team really knew what they were doing.

  • @IvyHilts
    @IvyHilts Месяц назад +1

    In the Adam and Eve myth the apple is the symbol of knowledge. Eating the apple takes them out of Paradise. I can see how can relates to James…

  • @ramonzeiro
    @ramonzeiro Месяц назад +6

    I'm just speechless

  • @LongWangHung6969
    @LongWangHung6969 Месяц назад +1

    god, i was waiting for your video to come out... thank you!!!

  • @ogshowtime7018
    @ogshowtime7018 Месяц назад +1

    Awesome video! I’m glad I came across your channel, love your deep dives on lore

  • @CHRISMED2
    @CHRISMED2 Месяц назад +1

    Been waiting patiently for your review !!

  • @kevin71794
    @kevin71794 Месяц назад +1

    The “prison of your making” note to me feels like the game talking to us players going through multiple playthroughs for all the endings, in my case I’ve been playing SH2 for 20 years trying to get everything lol
    Apartment 201 feels like it might be what James and Mary’s home might have looked like, the motif that plays before pyramid head comes in feels like James stumbling into a memory of a familiar place

  • @danielmeredith4222
    @danielmeredith4222 Месяц назад

    Cheers and thankyou so much for this silent hill 2 video i really enjoyed it especially how you covered the original game and the remake xo :)

  • @kchurchjr
    @kchurchjr Месяц назад

    YES!!!! Been waiting for this from you Muse

  • @z-nab27
    @z-nab27 20 дней назад

    Your analysis reveals the loving care that Bloober Team has put into every detail of each level❤️

  • @brandonrugzie
    @brandonrugzie Месяц назад

    Absolutely fantastic work, as always

  • @swat6296
    @swat6296 Месяц назад +5

    The first time I saw the title of the video all I could think of was the photo of the house with “welcome home, cheater” banner) great analysis as always, btw!

  • @pedjanedeljkovic7021
    @pedjanedeljkovic7021 Месяц назад +1

    Awesome video muse ❤

  • @AgressivePigeon
    @AgressivePigeon 12 дней назад

    If I'm not mistaken, there's a line between James and Maria when they go to Rosewater park to see the statue which suggests Mary may have enjoyed or mentioned some places to James that he probably didn't care about and forgot, but obviously stayed in his subconscious. I wonder if some others like the Apartments are something like that, things Mary mentioned on their trip like "maybe we could live here". We'll never know the full Silent Hill vacation details, but I'm sure a lot of it is reflected in the places we visit.

  • @barbaramonogatari4546
    @barbaramonogatari4546 Месяц назад

    Since the game came out, this is was I most excited for! You making a video about it 🖤

  • @chaosbacon3787
    @chaosbacon3787 Месяц назад

    I will never get bored of your Silent Hill videos. Even if I disagree with an opinion, I still learn a LOT of things!

  • @LobselVith13
    @LobselVith13 Месяц назад +5

    And thus a new age of Silent Hill brainrotting is born
    A bit unrelated but there's a Soul Reaver duology remaster coming out in December :D
    It has some really pretty textures updating it while still having a very unique art style, and biggest news of all: IT WILL ADD A MAP 🥳🎉🎊

  • @Odinawakened
    @Odinawakened Месяц назад

    5:24 this "Wedding Dress" is not just a "wedding dress" but this is the same dress alessa is wearing in the bad ending of the first silent hill...and it just so happens that the other closet is hiding a confinement room that probably is similar to what alessa was confinet like we see in the nowhere section of the first silent hill

  • @meimei8718
    @meimei8718 Месяц назад

    Thanks for the video

  • @ellipsis5345
    @ellipsis5345 Месяц назад

    Jfc this video is amazing. Hoping for more!!

  • @WhatUpLub
    @WhatUpLub Месяц назад

    The video being exactly 22:22 scratches an itch deep within my soul

  • @abigailaceves9230
    @abigailaceves9230 Месяц назад +2

    I really enjoy the gameplay you did throughout October! Hope to see more SH2R analysis, and maybe the time loop one.
    BTW, Suzie from The Sphere Hunter just made a video about the first SH and she mentioned you. Among others. I recommend you check it out.😁

  • @AsterisSleeping
    @AsterisSleeping Месяц назад

    The feeling when I just finished a HUGE college paper about the symbolism in SH and I didn’t know about this so it got left out (tbf, a lot of stuff had to be deleted)

  • @arbitrary2868
    @arbitrary2868 Месяц назад

    9:56 So what you're telling me is Minecraft lore goes deeper than bedrock. So deep it breaks into Silent Hill.
    All jokes aside, I love these analysis vids, they've been teaching me a lot about religion around the world.

  • @gojohnnyxo
    @gojohnnyxo Месяц назад

    My neat headcannon is that I think James is the anchor being for the fog and other worlds to still exist and bleed into other places (sh 4). After Alyssa’s gone. Since all the events seem to still happen in the other games.

    • @chandlerburse
      @chandlerburse Месяц назад

      Walter is the anchor being for SH4

  • @SunDormant
    @SunDormant Месяц назад +1

    Gotta love how this video's thumbnail shows the duration being nothing but 2s 😁

  • @Hugo_Tate
    @Hugo_Tate Месяц назад

    Still got one more play through to go before I can watch any vids on the remake but this is def the first one I’m watching when I do.

  • @davidrojas7909
    @davidrojas7909 Месяц назад

    I just want to say with this particular game, the dog ending is the cannon ending for me. There is no other explanation as to why everything is still there from the original silent hill 2.

  • @Beeyo176
    @Beeyo176 Месяц назад

    I cant watch because I STILL haven't experienced it myself yet. But heres my like and my comment, and my happiness that Muse is happy with the Remake

  • @SuperDarksword
    @SuperDarksword 8 дней назад

    So I waited to watch this until I beat the remake, and now that I'm a little more then half way (I know I'm bad) I have to say, I'm glad I was wrong about this game, while not being as good as the original in my opinion, or replace it, I find it to be a very good companion piece to the original.

  • @balthazor44
    @balthazor44 Месяц назад

    You say that the room James crosses into from room 201 doesn't appear on the map...but it does. It's right there, 208.

    • @thegamingmuse
      @thegamingmuse  Месяц назад +2

      I mean that "201" doesn't appear, a 208 does. Which I guess means it is the "208" of this place but it feels far more like a strange out of place room that took over whatever was supposed to be there. It feels different.

    • @balthazor44
      @balthazor44 Месяц назад

      ​@@thegamingmuse makes sense I guess. Otherwise the video points out some interesting details that I'd missed entirely, like room 201 being identical to the "Mary room" from the original, and a bunch of other stuff. Quite a fascinating watch altogether.

  • @uhuhuh1966
    @uhuhuh1966 Месяц назад

    I hope the channel Boulder Punch watched this video, he missed so much.

    • @chandlerburse
      @chandlerburse Месяц назад

      This isnt gonna change his mind

    • @uhuhuh1966
      @uhuhuh1966 Месяц назад

      @ do you know him personally?

    • @chandlerburse
      @chandlerburse Месяц назад

      @@uhuhuh1966 do you?

    • @uhuhuh1966
      @uhuhuh1966 Месяц назад

      @@chandlerburse I’m not the one making bold claims of what he’ll do I just said I hope he watches

    • @chandlerburse
      @chandlerburse Месяц назад

      @ im not the one assuming some random channel will somehow change a reviewers mind

  • @formeitsalwayslikethis
    @formeitsalwayslikethis Месяц назад +3

    Let's go Muse! one of the few people that actually loves Silent Hill

  • @ArtblockInsomniac
    @ArtblockInsomniac Месяц назад

    So I personally really dislike games where you run the entire time like in outlast or amnesia, but the idea of making the games a battle with the self and mind strikes a really interesting challenge from a game design perspective.

  • @GodDamnRider
    @GodDamnRider Месяц назад +2

    Silent Hill: Shattered Memories 2

  • @Joe-h4i1939
    @Joe-h4i1939 Месяц назад +2

    👍

  • @JustHappyBurger
    @JustHappyBurger Месяц назад

    🩶

  • @lineikatabs
    @lineikatabs Месяц назад

    The gamma settings are all wrong. It's too "bright". What makes this game sooooo good is the darkness. They've nailed the darkness. It's real, tangible, sticky. You can feel it. You've literally blew it with your settings here. 10/10 analysis but I don't know how you've played the game like this. You've missed out so much of the experience.

    • @mywifesboyfriend5558
      @mywifesboyfriend5558 Месяц назад

      She might have played it on default settings before.

    • @lineikatabs
      @lineikatabs Месяц назад

      I doubt this is default. Because during the Toluca Prison section I boosted the gamma in an attempt to increase brightness as it was too dark for me... this is exactly how it looked like.

    • @woolflower8316
      @woolflower8316 Месяц назад

      Looks totally washed out for sure but I think it's either post process for this video so people can see the details she's talking about, or that she edited the settings to capture brighter shots for the video when she was through playing it for the first time. She did say she found the note on her second playthrough @ 7:16.

    • @thegamingmuse
      @thegamingmuse  Месяц назад +4

      I played the game the normal way when I first played it; as part of my analysis, I blew up the brightness to be able to read background notes and things. Makes it easier to look at all the details.

  • @gentalrobots3988
    @gentalrobots3988 Месяц назад

    LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @gracepetersen3012
    @gracepetersen3012 Месяц назад

    Babe! Wake up! Thegamingmuse released an analysis of SH2R!!

  • @nn99nn99
    @nn99nn99 Месяц назад

    More of these analyses! SH2R GOTY

  • @victorcorazza
    @victorcorazza Месяц назад +4

    why is the footage so washed out

  • @unopposedhaunting9262
    @unopposedhaunting9262 Месяц назад +5

    Not garbage not great

  • @markg6749
    @markg6749 Месяц назад +15

    The over the shoulder camera sadly makes this game so generic. The artistic camera angles of the original are lost and this is more like a SH2 mod made using the RE engine.

    • @ricktp6821
      @ricktp6821 Месяц назад +28

      It's a trade-off that was worth it. The art direction was top-notch.

    • @ancientandbored
      @ancientandbored Месяц назад +19

      Every horror game from that era had fixed camera angles: were they all generic? Were they all the same? Is like saying every game with a map or car driving is generic because of GTA... This is your nostalgia glasses. I played the original when it was released and countless times until the remake and the remake is great.

    • @ramonzeiro
      @ramonzeiro Месяц назад +10

      Funny you saying this because even Masashi Tsuboyama himself criticized the original camera and praised the new one lol

    • @Nebellune
      @Nebellune Месяц назад +5

      Wouldn't a "SH2 mod made using the RE engine" still be entirely Silent hill? If you think camera angles made the game then you misunderstand why its even praised.

    • @CabezasDePescado
      @CabezasDePescado Месяц назад

      @ramonzeiro i read his comment and i dont agree, maybe he was being polite

  • @HeavensRipper-he4sz
    @HeavensRipper-he4sz Месяц назад

    why is ur game footage so washed out and white?

    • @gregorywiederecht
      @gregorywiederecht Месяц назад

      Maybe for copyright?

    • @mywifesboyfriend5558
      @mywifesboyfriend5558 Месяц назад

      Or to show details she was talking about?

    • @thegamingmuse
      @thegamingmuse  Месяц назад +1

      I played the game on high brightness the second time in order to see details and notes better.

  • @Xeakerr
    @Xeakerr Месяц назад +1

    This is not the real Silent Hill 2. Not worth analyzing. Made by fake developers who were not part of the OG. Masahiro ito and Akira do not know SH2.

    • @mywifesboyfriend5558
      @mywifesboyfriend5558 Месяц назад +3

      Yes they do, they made it.
      Either play the game or don't, son.
      It's just a videogame.
      It's gatekeeping kids like you that ruin it for everyone.
      No replies will be seen

    • @Xeakerr
      @Xeakerr Месяц назад

      @@mywifesboyfriend5558 They only made the music and monster design. They have no clue about the deeper state of the game.
      Enjoy your mediocre experience.

    • @thegamingmuse
      @thegamingmuse  Месяц назад +4

      Buddy... Ito Masahiro was there at the planning meetings, he was part of developing the story, and I should know, I spent three years researching the making of. Yamaoka may have been more distant but Ito was not, and it's incredibly disrespectful to say such things about him.
      Like or dislike the game, that's fair, and no one is forced to play anything. But keep your disrespect to yourself.

    • @Xeakerr
      @Xeakerr Месяц назад +1

      @@thegamingmuse Maybe he knew back then 20 years ago, but not anymore. The guy wrote a lot of misinformation regarding SH2.

    • @chandlerburse
      @chandlerburse Месяц назад +1

      The OG director himself praised this remake dude
      And Ito and Akira both worked on the OG

  • @kube3066
    @kube3066 Месяц назад

    First ig 🤌🏻🕺🏻

  • @equin0x22415
    @equin0x22415 Месяц назад

    You are literally the only other person I have seen that noticed the sailboat paintings (or at least found them significant enough to point out in a video essay and I very much appreciate that because they caught my eye too), I’m on my second play through and noticed that myself recently, and I’m wondering if they may be potentially an allegory for the “normal“ world, the “fog world“ and the “other world“? Any thoughts on this?