swingkidca I will admit I really do like the fox Mustang GT’s looks as well, especially the ground effects. They look the best with two-tone paint schemes in my opinion.
Yup, lx back end is cleaner. Its my fave fox. Im a new edge guy. Mine has a yote. But my buddy has a lx trunk style. We built a 306 that ran high 12. I love the trunk style man . 225hp bro, that will get your feelings hurt by a honda
SSP's also had an oil cooler( you had to use a FL300 oil filter cause of clearence issues), a better alternator and reinforced floor pans. The later years used the 160 certified speedo. I had one of these for 10 years and regret everyday I sold it.
Interesting bit of trivia here.......I bought a Brand New 91 GT upon my return to Germany from Desert Storm through the AAFES New Car Sales program. It was built and shipped in to Rotterdam in the Netherlands and I picked it up from the port about 2 months after ordering it. That car came with the upgraded hoses (blue) and an engine oil cooler on it as well. No idea if it was a full SSP package car or not, but it did have those features. Would love to get it back if I could find it. VIN 1FACP42E7MF160944 (had to print it on so many shipping documents when I PCS'd back to CONUS that it stuck in my head). Last reported in VA in 2016.
They also had beefed up rear control arms, a coolant restrictor in place of a thermostat, a different dome light, 2 piece speedo cable, trunk release button relocated from the glovebox to the knee panel on the driver’s side, and a single key system (same key for ignition, doors, and trunk) aside from the aforementioned options. I also believe that they came with a heavy duty fan clutch and a high flow water pump. As for the speedo, I have seen “certified calibration” speedos in both 140 and 160 variants on all years between ‘87 and ‘93. If any of you ever come by Talladega Super Speedway here in Alabama, they have the Motorsports Hall Of Fame Museum there by the track that has an awesome collection of cars, trucks and motorcycles. I say this because they have on display one of the TWO surviving (in original livery that is) Alabama State Trooper Mustangs there along with one of two surviving ‘71 Javelin State Trooper cars. The other two are at the DPS HQ in Montgomery Alabama.
Its funny how at the time these were new All I wanted was a GT. I LOVED them. I could not make myself like the Notchback. Now thats all I want. A good clean Notchback
My father used to own a 1988 Lincoln LSC and we used to drag the car on weekends at Cayuga drag strip. Aww those were the days! LOL! Great vid by the way! 🇨🇦👌
Chidrole Dude there is No Way we weren’t there on the same weekends from time to time. Do you remember the “Toich Boys” or “Toich Bros” ?? All Ford. Most notable was the Red Maverick. And a bunch of 5.0 Foxes usually rolled around us too
Jay Why it was a long time ago but come to think about it I do remember a red maverick. Do you remember the di Silva’s they were 2 brothers one had a thunderbird and the other had a mustang now they have a mustang shop called di Silva’s racing you can buy all kinds of stuff for mustangs even online.
Chidrole Oh yea ! Joe and Paul. Good guys ! They were J&P in the 80’s. We ran against them a lot. Peter Toich was the red maverick. That man could shift gears like no other
I'm glad to see there's still people out there that really know that are foxbodys!! I happen to have an 85 LTD with a 92 drivetrain out of an LX 5.0, and it is extremely fun as a sleeper!! Cam headers Flowmasters and pulley kit, and I'm surprising the shit out of a lot of cars at stop lights!! Keep up the good work man!!
I used to drive a 1993 Ford Escort 2-door hatch, loved that thing! Once I got a chance to drive a 1993 Mustang GT and was actually shocked at how similar the interior was laid out and how the driving felt. It literally felt like I was driving my own car but with much more power and a little more solid.
CamSayCam you’re a weak minded, uptight person lacking a sense of humor casting stones from your glass house, and a pathetic example of a Christian at that. I think you should read your good book and figure out what else you missed aside from the part about not passing judgment and attacking your brothers and sisters in the name of your God taking his name in vain to glorify yourself. I honestly don’t think a God that created the entire universe in days and is all powerful and all knowing really needs you to do his bidding anymore so than you being his RUclips comment section protector and mouthpiece. People like you give Christians a bad name and don’t even live in accordance to the scriptures that you defend. The fact that you are playing Apostle is the biggest sin of them all in the Bible you’re thumping. Jesus laid with leper’s and thieves and cast judgement on no one as his own life was to spread the word of salvation through love, kindness, forgiveness and sacrifice. Not hate, fear and damnation. Abraham was the father of the three biggest religions and I bet you hate two of them by your comment of damnation and judgement and don’t understand the one you claim as your own. If hell is real you’re destined to be shoveling coal and stoking the fire. I guess you don’t remember that you are told to turn the other cheek and judge not your fellow man as a true Christian.
I bought my 1989 Mustang LX 5.0 convertible in July 1990, I still have it, mainly a weekend car, has 110,000 miles now. I really enjoy you bringing up things I just wondered about, Thank you.
Finally, someone who understands Fox Bodies, I have had Mercury Zephyr, Ford Fairmonts, Mercury Capri and 4 pot headlight Mustangs all Fox Bodies, and yes you;'re correct about the Cobra name, it follows the same concept if you don't use the name you lose it, it is part of the copyright laws, you have earned a new subscriber.
NYPATRIOT so when you say fan clutch you are only talking about the clutch right? Which the fan is attached to. So, you have a fan clutch and a fan and as an assembly it would be a clutch fan. Since it is a clutch type fan assembly. lol that’s what gets me.
..."They did away with the fan clutch, but they've got a better fan clutch on here"...The way I would interpret this: The stock fan CLUTCH was removed and replaced with a more efficient one. That would mean only the clutch was changed [ referring to the meaning of the statement ]
it's just me not everybody but if you knock that fan and or a fan clutch off of the front of that motor you get 10 to 12 usable horsepower by running electric fans
The Canadian cobra story... ha Had a 90 conv gt “cobra” sticker car. People used to overplay it for me!! And lx’s were usually lighter and faster! Nice rant!
I really like that you explain in detail on foxbody myths to a lot of knuckleheads myself included. I have owned over 10 mustangs, not at the same time. From a 79 four banger to a 2014 V6. I'm still looking for those other 2 cylinders for my V6. LOL Great video 👍
The 87-88 motors were no more stout than the 89-92, however the hotter cam and speed density fueling made them the only true factory 225hp cars. 2-3hp was lost going to the milder cam and mass-air. All 5.0 Mustangs used forged pistons from 85-92 and were replaced by sintered.powdered metal hyper-eutectic types in 93. Forged pistons are marked trw on the underside. Proud owner of a showroom stock 89 GT daily driver. Great video.
I had heard the same thing. I figured maybe they were talking about the no option cars. I haven't seen any GT's without power options, we'll, not that I've noticed.
It was allegedly a lighter car and the Notchback, as mentioned by @Thomas Cullen Jr., was the lightest of the LX's. With that being said, if you had a convertible LX it would be heavier than the GT even with power options. The convertible GTs were obviously heavier but the ground effects and some of the power options are very nice on the GTs and some folks love them... I am a freaky big fan of the early 80s and particularly '84 and '85 Mustangs just because I adore the four eyed look... Anyhow... If I were to go later I love certain things that others hate - like the "cheese grater" tail lights.
The notchbacks are much lighter. Have an 88 and with a minimal weight drop (sound deadening out, spare out, stuff like that) it weighs in on the local scales at 2750 without me in it. It is a no option car though.
All the speedometers were certified the same way. I worked for ford and ran a department that did warranty swaps on clusters. We ran calibration tests on ALL the clusters we touched. Same bench, same program.
I own a '90 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, the "rich man's Fox". I love everything about it. 170K miles, virtually all stock, it's a great Fox body platform car and a hot rod Lincoln luxury sports coupe all in one.
I worked at a large ford dealer in Orlando that sold these SSPs to the FHP. Every one I saw had the silicone hoses. I think it was in 93 when Ford screwed up and assembled many of the cars with standard hose clamps. The silicone hoses need a special clamp that won't cut the softer hose when you tighten it down. We had to replace the clamps on all the cars before they could be delivered. All FHP cars were 5 spd and came from Ford already painted black and yellow. There were also some that were unmarked in dark gray paint and a maybe few other colors? Some local departments had autos. The Mustang was the primary patrol car at the time. Almost every trooper drove one, but they also had to have some Crown Vics for transporting anyone they arrested. The back seat of the Mustang had little room to start with and had a rack in it to hold paper file folders and their smokey the bear hat. The Volusia County FHP troop still may have a mint 93 Mustang they use for parades and events along with a 350 Camaro. They also had some 5.0 Fox LTDs in the '80's. In later years they had a few Mercury Marauders that were slightly modified. A local dept. had a 95 Mustang GTS 5.0 in black as an unmarked car, though there was no longer a police package then.
I remember seeing a 1983 5.0 LX, brand new, sitting at the Ford dealer in 1983. It was my first time seeing one. Sitting right next to a GT irronically. I had a 1985 GT purchased used in 85 with 8300 +/- miles. I also purchased a 88 LX 5.0 convertible new in early 89. Great cars!
my pet peeve "its super rare" in for sale ads..... Really means I want stupid money for my clapped out fox body needing tons of work.. Its rare because options where dirt cheap and more people wanted options.. About the ssp coolant hoses "hi miller"? you mean Hi-miler? (like mileage) hoses..... That was the name of the cheaper goodyear EPDM rubber blue one's now sold by Continental . Fords where a silicone blend. Nothing "miller" about them just silicone/ polyester . you can't find them any more because china flooded the market with cheap and poorly made silicone kits that won't last anywhere near as long as the motorcrafts did. Gates and Eaton still offer that type of hose for HD equipment but not much automotive anymore.
sve is cheap china silicone with there logo on it ,.... if you want them for the look ok, but performance wise a gates rubber hose will out last them and won't have the permeation the cheap silicon hoses do.
No Thanks, Ok thank you for the heads up. I thought they were the real deal and they look to be very thick and substantial, that's what made me think they might be good ones. I have a set of the originals on my 86 GT and they are a much lighter blue than those, that did give me pause when I looked at those SVE hoses.
whats rare is a fox body thats low mileage, all original and still runs. there were rare models though like limited production painbt combos, anniversary models and mid transition models like 78 1/2, 84 1/2 and 92 1/2 mustangs
I had an 88 lx 5.0. A friend had an 87 gt. The ground effects added enough weight that the lx was responded to throttle better and the suspension was effectivly stiffer because of lower weight. My 88 had an overbored cylinder. I had a couple of Lincoln Mercury mechanics who were members of the mustang club replace the short block under warranty. When I got it back, it had huge power compared to stock ( felt faster than a 4.6, 3 valve 2005) and got 30 mpg on the highway. In my mind last of the "pony cars" due to compact size and lower weight.
Great video! I still want a Fox body. I know my things about the 79 to 04 Fox chassis. The Fox platform was introduced in 1978 on the Fairmont. Ford definitely made a number of them in it's 26 year run. I still love them for it's simple engineering. Who can't say that they are simple to work on. I'm so going to found one in 2020. If you got any connections to anyone that is willing to sale a good Fox. Preferring a GT 87 to 93. I'm willing to pay $4500 for the car. Great video. Looking forward to the next one.
Love this video. I have 3 mustangs. A 97 gt, a 98 gt and a 04 v6 base model. Love all of them equally. Can't learn enough about mustangs and the history behind them.
Thank you. I own a 88 notch and an 83 Ltd wagon and a lot of people don't understand they are both foxes. Also the police interceptor motor is so true. Drives me crazy!
great vid. I have had the argument with so many people about the mustang cobra & they are convinced there cars are Cobra's but can't tell you how they are any different than a regular GT. I didn't know it was to hold onto the name so thanks.
👍 on the video. I particularly liked when you pointed out the difference between LX & GT is only the trim. My 90 LX is making 204whp. It has been lightly modified. GT40P heads with 1.7 rockers, tubular headers, CAI with 1" manifold spacer. To help reduce drivetrain loss, an aluminum drive shaft. Keep up the good work with the videos. Can't wait to hear your Coyote swap fire up.
Your Flooring I bought my Fox in 2006, so it's been a while since I was digging into my Fox. If I recall correctly, the GT40P heads are 58cc combustion chamber. I think it only bumped compression by .5. Stock cam shaft, so with the 1.7 rocker the valves now open to .471. Stock cam with 1.6 rocker, is/was .444. Another piece to the picture, my Fox is an auto car.
Matt Oliver oh ok autocar that makes the difference right there.. i remember back in the day i had an 87gt 5 speed e303 cam stock e7 heads..shorty headers offroad h pipe flowmaster 10s...dont know what it dynoed but i got her into the 13s driving the absolute shit out of it lol...now i have another 87gt mostly stock just headers and exhaust its a dog but i love it
ffhgu 07 can you explain these mechanical differences? And a quick factoid for the "it has an interceptor motor in it" guys, police cars are built to the same specs as taxi cabs. They are "fleet" vehicles, one thing in the police/taxi cars that was different than non fleet cars was the number of welds per inch on all body/frame mating points, fleet cars had more spot welds closer together to add strength and reduce flex. Other than that and the hd cooling systems the fleet cars are no better than normal production cars.
@@call_me_danger I was under the impression that taxi cabs are often purchased and repainted police cars, not that taxis and police cars are built to the same spec at the factory?
Even though the 302fi takes to modding well, it is the ease of working on them and the stupid fun they are to drive thats so great. I built a 88 convertible making 419rwhp. Sadly it's starting to rust.
David cb347 The 2.73 on the LX applies to just the 5.0 (manual + auto). The LX 2.3 featured a 3.27 for the manual and a 3.73 for the auto A4LD. (Naturally, I’m sure few care about the 2.3 but it is relevant to 4-banger owners like myself!)
Gear ratio. They are different. 100 % I have had way too many to be proud of and there aint no way this jackass is gonna blow his bullshit around. What a dummy.
They are not 500 lbs lighter please dont spread misinfo like this. The fox lx compared to gt might have been 100 or so lbs max prob not even that now if you have a stripped lx notchback compared to a loaded gt it may be closer to 150 but no way its more than that. It is more than 500 less than even a base modern gt if thats what you meant. But fox lx notch vs gt hatch its nowhere near that number in weight difference
This brings back great memories. In H.S. I picked up my 1990 reg GT back new back in the day and my brother picked up a white '90 LX 5.0 at the same time. Had loads of fun with them on the street and then at the track. I could beat 2nd and 3rd gen F bodys, but C4 Vettes and Grand Nationals would inch me out. I used to hit terminal velocity on I95 going home late at night and it would shake itself apart and then boil the brake fluid and warp the rotors when I had to stop in a hurry. Mine was a factory freak and was faster than the other ones. It was awesome because they were dirt cheap working part time as a bussboy I could easily afford it. Raw lightweight car for sure.
Lol so true !! If I remember correctly, here north of the border the “Cobra” cars were ‘86-88. And it Was just a sticker. The 300 # was the torque rating. but there were always those losers that thought they had something special.
When I bought my cobra gt at 17...I was only looking for a cobra because I thought it was special. Man was I disappointed when I found out it was just a marketing thing. Lol. Young me makes me laugh...what a numpty
Ok. Let's get the bad out of the way first. When it comes to an 88 speed density car vs an 89 mass air, I will choose the mass air every time. Why? Because although people say the 88 was the fastest, EVERY freak car that I came across was an 89 and the 89 had the best cam as well. Every 88 that I worked on was lacking a bit in the torque department compared to an 89. Now, a big thanks for being the other person that seems to knw why Ford put the name Cobra on the cars. I was getting sick and tired of dumbasses telling me they had a special edition. Same with the Anniversary plaque on the dash. YOUR CAR IS NOT SPECIAL BECAUSE OF THE PLAQUE. Blue hoses are silicone. Called the rims 10 holes. 1987 GT had "cheesegrater tailights" and "food processor" rims.A fully loaded LX hatch would weigh the same as a GT. Hatch weighs 50 lbs more than trunk, but some people believe that the weight is in the right spot, over the rear wheels to give more traction. Chidrole and Jay Why. J&P used to race turbo Dodges and went Ford hard core when Joe got the red notchback. Last name is Da Silva. Paul had the black Mercury Cougar XR7. Paul did the engine work. They started off in Scarborough. Barbados Ct. Joe and Paul went separate ways Da Silva racing with Joe selling a lot of bolt ons and body kits. Paul is PSP (Paul Silva Performance). Joe's shop is 1km from my house and the last time I saw Paul was.....yesterday at Cayuga. Back in the day, I bought some parts from J&P and engine parts from Tommy Morana at AfFORDable performance and Wade from RCHS. Chassis parts from Lucky Marcos at Lucky's performance where we used to buy our VP fuels on the way to Cayuga. I met Joe and Paul at Finch and Weston in 1988. Tommy Morana at Vic Park and Gordon Baker in 1987. Also we went to Warden and Sheppard, Dundas and Confederation, Pine Valley and HWY7. All after midnight, if you know what I mean... Go back to the track, you won't regret it. What smells better than burnt VP fuel and tire smoke? Have an unhealthy burger and fries and sit on the same bleachers from back in the day. Saw a bunch of 1980-1990 Mustangs yesterday. Nothing newer. Some of them still powershifting a 5 speed running insane times.
This is some good stuff! The SN95 Mustang chassis is derived from the Fox chassis, but the lower subframes up front are a bit different, the rear are also altered, and the trans tunnel and floor pans were revised as well, which is why it is also known as the "Fox-4" platform. I noticed that you didn't address the other big myth about the old 5.0 Mustang. It's not really a 5.0! It's 4948cc, or 4.9L. Ford called it 5.0 because 1. It sounds better, 2. With a version of that engine available in the truck line alongside the 300 cid I6, they rounded up to avoid confusion at the parts counter.
Because Chevy guys are smart enough to know fox body stangs are super light, dirt cheap, and the aftermarket sells everything you need to replace all the ford junk .😎
Bought a 88 LX hatchback 4 cyl 5-speed over 15 years ago. Never had any intention of putting a V-8 in her. I've thought more along the lines of turbocharged to keep the front end lighter. Anyway it's a fun car that handles corners well.
I've had both 4 cyl really handles twistys much better than an 8 in a drag both 90 lx 4 cly and 90 gt 5.0 both in pretty much stock form the gt just slowly walked away from the 4 cyl both fun cars and i think both can be killers on the ashphalt
People actually have told you that an LX is slower than a GT?? LOL...The LX is faster since they tended to be a bit lighter. Your stripper LX is a good example of that. GT's tended to be loaded. Although I have a friend that had a stripper 87 GT with manual windows and mirrors. He had the only one I ever saw that way. He nicknamed it the Amish mustang. Great video like normal. Your videos really make me want to find another foxbody mustang.
I still drive my 1 owner, LX 5L notchback Mustang. It is bare. I did not purchase any of the extras. Wind up windows, regular locks, no air cond. etc. I still love my car and while it has a few small issues but going to work on these things this summer.
Always loved the LX's - I had 2 89s, both 5.0/5 spd hatches. The last one I had (fully loaded and bone stock) weighed 3,170. I never dyno'd it stock, but with pullies, shorty headers, off-road H and a timing bump made 219hp/274tq on a dynojet. Added big and little Welds with the old bias ply ET Streets and 4.10s and it went 13.3@101
I was told many years ago that the 3/4 race cam term was started by the max wedge mopar guys that had a cam with .75" of lift. But through the years as younger guys got into the car scene, they heard "3/4 race cam" and misunderstood it as 3/4 race cam vs full race cam and not a value of valve lift. This may not be true but it sounds plausible to me.
The pinto is a grandfathered fox body, great info on the fox chassis. And those are silicone hoses in the police package, they used them on most police packages for Chevy and ford, I’m not sure on dodge though.
If i hear one more idiot selling an explorer intake calling it a GT40 and asking $300 for it, I am going to scream. That and those that say you HAVE to set the TPS to .98 and that underdrive pulley do anything but cause overheating and cooling problems
Nimbus Nimbus correct. They ARE a GT40 intake. Just not the tubular upper intake, which you’re going to pay big💰 for IF you can find one. I remember that article in MM&FF too that you’re talking about on the flow numbers between the Tubular intake and the ‘93 Cobra/5.0 Explorer intake.
Beautiful car. When i was young i had a 79’ Lx Notchback. That had an 86’ front end on it. I didnt have a 5.0 but my v6 kept up with alot of 8 cylinder cars. I blew our the rear gears and swapped the whole rear with an 88’ gt that had better gear ratios. Unfortunately i crashed into a telephone pole and wrecked it. I miss that car so much
Love the notchback. My 89 LX 5.0 coupe I bought new in 89 (not a police package) with power windows, locks and air conditioning weighs in at 2961 stock so the ssp is more likely less than that. GTs with all the fancy bits were as much as 400 lbs heavier actually making them slower than an LX. Especially a notchback. By the way I still have the 89 after almost 30 years.
The LXs were actually faster than the GT because the GT was heavier. Plus the power rating was 5 hp different between the 5spd and AOD cars. I think car and driver listed them at like 210 auto 215 5spd.
Marty Collins yes...I believe you are correct. Long time ago lol. I remember being a car obsessed teen (14 in 88) and reading all the different magazines dreaming of driving soon. I remember the manual and AOD varied in HP but exact numbers are a bit fuzzy. Little did I know my first Mustang wouldn't come until 2017 at 43 thanks to NYC Insurance rates...the insurance companies just laughed at me when I was a single 17 year old lol. Now, my Mustang GT cost 90 dollars more every 6 months than my leased 2014 Focus did before that. Age does have its privileges sometimes hahaha.
Nimbus Nimbus I dont know how they were eating them but I clearly remember in the back of the magazines at the time where they would list all the cars they have tested and their specs, there was a 5hp difference between manual and AOD. I dont know how they were eating the power but I do know they had a number listed and then another one in parentheses with the other trans.
Holy cow that was the most information I've ever gotten for my fox body I have a four-eyed Fox body, I was corrected a couple months ago with the Canadian Cobra aspect of it, I did buy my in Canada I've had it since 1989 it's an 85, it's black with the gray interior I don't think they made a lot of them the kilometer aspect on the speedometer is kind of funny, but I can't tell you how much I appreciate all the information you have given me, if I'm not mistaken the GT of that 85s were actually somewhere between 3 to 500 lb heavier because of the hatchback style trunk, but I could be wrong I'm not sure again thank you for all your information it is extremely useful, so I don't make an ass out of myself again. On the upside I do love that 85 it is brutally quick it is completely original, and it's kind of like driving a cat with its tail on fire it just wants to come around on you.lol
Dude!!! I get it your goin after the non fox or mustang crowd, but dang,its getting old with your not working on or not finishing your coyote build and 3rd grader vids , not to be a jerk but you need to see make a decision on who you want to be your followers, someone who can't change a spark plug or true foxbody lovers???
Foxcast Media if I were you guys I would put mr hanky type wheels on it "Dogdish style" if that's what their called with a CB radio and 24" antenna in the back with dark tinted windows... it would look super bad ass
I had a '90 GT hatchback. I've worked on and driven newer mustangs, ferraris, vipers and porsches, but nothing gave me as much of a smile as my stang did. I want one again...
The SSP cars had a oil cooler coming off the oil filter housing. Should have an extra ground strap from the firewall to the hood on the passenger side. And some were outfitted with a high amp heavy duty alternator.
I got distracted at point 1 and just kept hearing Jake Elwood in my mind: "It's got a cop motor, a 440-cubic-inch plant. It's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas."
Good video with a lot of good info. I do believe you are mistaken on one point. Yes, the Mustang SSP had the same drive line as the retail Mustang LX 5.0 and the GT, however the Police Interceptor LTD/Crown Victoria up until 1991, when equipped with the 5.0 did not have the same 5.0 HO as the Mustang. The LTD had the base 5.0 used in the F series trucks rated at 150 hp if I remember correctly. The only performance option for the LTD Police car was the 5.8/351W rated at 180 hp.
My favorite fox body mustang years where the 79-86. Love the 4 eyed versions. I currently own a 85 gt hatchback which did not have all the extra skirtings the 87-93 had.
See i have an 86 foxbody convertible, and its the newer style with the round lights like the car in the video. So do you think I should but interior parts for an 86 or an 87
I had an 83 Mercury Capri RS 'bubbleback' with a 5.0. My first sports car. Back in 86 when I bought it, it seemed very fast. With the flared fenders and fake hood scoop, it was one of my favorite cars and I still miss it. By comparison, my STi with 470 whp is a LOT faster and seems a lot more luxurious, but it's hard to beat the V8 sound.
The 2 most fun fox bodies I owned. A 1987 lx with the 2.3, a friend raced midgets at the time the 2.3 was the hot engine to run. We dropped one of midget engines in it offy intake and all.....If any of you have driven a fox woth a 4 banger the steering is so light (less weight).It felt like a go cart very easy to toss the car around. I picked up a 1983 coupe from a boneyard one of my friends worked at with a 351w shoehorned into it. Total sleeper, still had hubcaps. Had another 87 gt .030. 0 deckheight twisted wedge heads E303 cam crane roller rockers, lifters & a 150 shot 70mm throttle body mathing maf and 24lb injectors. Also had a1969 coupe with a #'s matching 302. A 1980 200 straight 6 fox . I currently have a 2000 gt with a 4.6 and a Paxton novi intercooled (54,000 mi) and another grocery list to get it to perform right.
the LX was faster from memory cause they was a little bit lighter cause i've owned both but i still own my foxbody GT cause its been in the family forever now.
Loop Koop I thought I remembered the same thing. Lighter car faster than a a GT. He’ll when I was a youngster they wanted the lx for track purposes ( early to mid 90s)
@@3rdcoastobs467 Yeah i'd like another trunk car really about to sell the GT and look for another soon maybe but the trunk cars are rather hard to find we had two notch back T top cars years ago super hard to find.
I agree for the most part,but there is a Ford dealership in Nashville Tn. that sells pretty much all the Ford Police units in Tn. and they modify them all before they get sold and the Mustang SSPs that they send out are closer to 400 hp after they get through with them. Even the Explorers are hopped up from factory specs before they hit the street. My law enforcement friends tell me that the Police Explorers will top 160 mph. I saw a local Sherriff's Explorer the other day with a Coyote 5.0 and a turbocharger,the deputy says he has had it beyond the 160 on the speedo and ran down a new model Hellcat Charger.
Biggest peeve, people claiming some SSP Mustangs came with 351's. Police Crown Vics at the time could be ordered with a 351, but it had that 'feedback' carb. Fl Marine Patrol used them to pull boats.
I believe they had the crappier seats in the Lx 5 liter. Whereas the Gt had the better looking bucket type. I wasn’t overly thrilled with the 1987 when it came out. You could get that bright orange stripe down the side and all the ground effects was a little much. The 5.0 still reminded me of the fox body I loved with 85/86 gt wheels. As time went I didn’t mind the Gt.
I just got my 1st mustang this year. 2016 Ecoboost. I’ll forever want a foxbody mustang. atm I just need a daily but I can’t wait to save up and get a 5.0 mustang one day.
I bought a 93 LX notchback 5.0L 5 speed new in 93. $18,000. I kept it until I got married in 2000, my wife made me trade it. I cried as I left it at the dealership. That car was a beast. I smoked a lot of other muscle cars with it. If you knew when to drop the clutch coming of the line, it would explode of the line. I could also get it to smoke the tires through 4 gears. I miss that car every day.
I had an 89 LX and a 93 GT when they were new. Hate that I don’t own them now. And am shocked that the value of these cars has gone up like it has in the last few years. Gets harder to pull the trigger on a car I know has been beat to death by previous owners.
You so absolutely right, finally there is someone else out there that knows something about mustang. I agree with everything you said about the mustang. As far as the fox bodies go's, GM cars were label as fox bodies doing the 80s as well. The Carmaro, SS Monticarlo, Buick Grand National and so on. Most people at car shows and different car events that i go to only thing that mid 80s and early 90s mustangs was label as fox body. Most of them are 40 years of age and younger. They look at me as if i don't know what in the hell I'm talking about. SMH.
Great video and info. I love my 83 GLX 5.0. The original owner optioned it w/o power windows. mirrors or AC. It's got chrome trim on the mirrors, door frames and great sky blue velour seats. Someday soon I will have to paint the original midnight blue metallic paint and will have to decide to have them recreate the pinstripes on the body and body trim. I am never going to sell this car!
I actually prefer the LX’s appearance over the GT’s. It just seems cleaner to me.
I gotta agree, between the two I am an LX guy
same here, but my 93' GT was to good of a deal to pass up
Totally disagree..for me GT man all they way. The LX's always looked like they were naked
swingkidca I will admit I really do like the fox Mustang GT’s looks as well, especially the ground effects. They look the best with two-tone paint schemes in my opinion.
Yup, lx back end is cleaner. Its my fave fox. Im a new edge guy. Mine has a yote. But my buddy has a lx trunk style. We built a 306 that ran high 12. I love the trunk style man . 225hp bro, that will get your feelings hurt by a honda
SSP's also had an oil cooler( you had to use a FL300 oil filter cause of clearence issues), a better alternator and reinforced floor pans. The later years used the 160 certified speedo. I had one of these for 10 years and regret everyday I sold it.
elmostong1 Yes sir!
Yes, And it was still close to the frame-rail!
The oil-coolers were sourced from Hayes, if memory serves.
Interesting bit of trivia here.......I bought a Brand New 91 GT upon my return to Germany from Desert Storm through the AAFES New Car Sales program. It was built and shipped in to Rotterdam in the Netherlands and I picked it up from the port about 2 months after ordering it. That car came with the upgraded hoses (blue) and an engine oil cooler on it as well. No idea if it was a full SSP package car or not, but it did have those features. Would love to get it back if I could find it. VIN 1FACP42E7MF160944 (had to print it on so many shipping documents when I PCS'd back to CONUS that it stuck in my head). Last reported in VA in 2016.
They also had beefed up rear control arms, a coolant restrictor in place of a thermostat, a different dome light, 2 piece speedo cable, trunk release button relocated from the glovebox to the knee panel on the driver’s side, and a single key system (same key for ignition, doors, and trunk) aside from the aforementioned options. I also believe that they came with a heavy duty fan clutch and a high flow water pump. As for the speedo, I have seen “certified calibration” speedos in both 140 and 160 variants on all years between ‘87 and ‘93.
If any of you ever come by Talladega Super Speedway here in Alabama, they have the Motorsports Hall Of Fame Museum there by the track that has an awesome collection of cars, trucks and motorcycles. I say this because they have on display one of the TWO surviving (in original livery that is) Alabama State Trooper Mustangs there along with one of two surviving ‘71 Javelin State Trooper cars. The other two are at the DPS HQ in Montgomery Alabama.
Tell me that my GT wasn't a full package then, speedo didn't show "calibration" on it anywhere and it had a thermostat in it.
Its funny how at the time these were new All I wanted was a GT. I LOVED them. I could not make myself like the Notchback. Now thats all I want. A good clean Notchback
Learned a lot right there! You make me miss my 89 LX convertible, 88 LX sunroof and 86 GT. Oh the memories. Subscribed!
Jason Cotellessa Welcome aboard brutha!
Foxcast Media thank you! Great content!
My father used to own a 1988 Lincoln LSC and we used to drag the car on weekends at Cayuga drag strip. Aww those were the days! LOL! Great vid by the way! 🇨🇦👌
I would kill to find a low mile Mark VII
Chidrole Dude there is No Way we weren’t there on the same weekends from time to time. Do you remember the “Toich Boys” or “Toich Bros” ?? All Ford. Most notable was the Red Maverick. And a bunch of 5.0 Foxes usually rolled around us too
Jay Why it was a long time ago but come to think about it I do remember a red maverick. Do you remember the di Silva’s they were 2 brothers one had a thunderbird and the other had a mustang now they have a mustang shop called di Silva’s racing you can buy all kinds of stuff for mustangs even online.
Chidrole Oh yea ! Joe and Paul. Good guys ! They were J&P in the 80’s. We ran against them a lot. Peter Toich was the red maverick. That man could shift gears like no other
Foxcast Media You should do a Coyote swap Mark VII.
This guy knows his stuff and I always learn something new every time I watch his videos!!!
tired of my slow lx. shoulda bought a gt instead. oh well i guess ill have to swap in a police interceptor motor.
haha jk
Mine used to be a 2.3l 4banger I pulled my 351 Windsor out of my 79 f100 and put it in now it's just a beast
I'm glad to see there's still people out there that really know that are foxbodys!! I happen to have an 85 LTD with a 92 drivetrain out of an LX 5.0, and it is extremely fun as a sleeper!! Cam headers Flowmasters and pulley kit, and I'm surprising the shit out of a lot of cars at stop lights!! Keep up the good work man!!
My buddy's neighbors cousins had a GT Cobra. It was rare. We went to dairy queen and saw some girls. My buddy honk at them
Anyone else tired of the word “buddy” lol. Like I have never said that word. I say “my friend”
In Canada they came gt cobra
Did it have a 3/4 racing cam in it ?
I used to drive a 1993 Ford Escort 2-door hatch, loved that thing! Once I got a chance to drive a 1993 Mustang GT and was actually shocked at how similar the interior was laid out and how the driving felt. It literally felt like I was driving my own car but with much more power and a little more solid.
He's recording from a church parking lot, he must be telling the truth.
you're light-weight talking shit on religion, you must be a liberal.
I was gonna say OMG he is in a graveyard !
I know right
He said shit in the church parking lot !!!
CamSayCam you’re a weak minded, uptight person lacking a sense of humor casting stones from your glass house, and a pathetic example of a Christian at that. I think you should read your good book and figure out what else you missed aside from the part about not passing judgment and attacking your brothers and sisters in the name of your God taking his name in vain to glorify yourself. I honestly don’t think a God that created the entire universe in days and is all powerful and all knowing really needs you to do his bidding anymore so than you being his RUclips comment section protector and mouthpiece. People like you give Christians a bad name and don’t even live in accordance to the scriptures that you defend. The fact that you are playing Apostle is the biggest sin of them all in the Bible you’re thumping. Jesus laid with leper’s and thieves and cast judgement on no one as his own life was to spread the word of salvation through love, kindness, forgiveness and sacrifice. Not hate, fear and damnation. Abraham was the father of the three biggest religions and I bet you hate two of them by your comment of damnation and judgement and don’t understand the one you claim as your own. If hell is real you’re destined to be shoveling coal and stoking the fire. I guess you don’t remember that you are told to turn the other cheek and judge not your fellow man as a true Christian.
I bought my 1989 Mustang LX 5.0 convertible in July 1990, I still have it, mainly a weekend car, has 110,000 miles now. I really enjoy you bringing up things I just wondered about, Thank you.
The 1978-83 Ford Fairmont was a nice fox body too!
wilfig Yes sir and I want one
I have one for you to buy...cheap...
mr rowboato how much you got a post on fb or something?
1976 Ford Granada was the start; I swapped the powertrain into a 1979 Fairmont.Ford loved to save money...
especially the futura package
I have a 1986 mustang GT, T-tops, loaded. Only 59,000 kms. Bought it new. Nice summer cruiser. Brand new condition. Great video. 👍
We used to call those rims 10 holes if you polish those rims they come out beautiful thanks for the info God bless
1962 Santiago Yes sir, ten holes or phone dials
its no jive , got them on my 85
We called them D slots
1962 Santiago yep, 10 holes! And i had a polished set on a 85 LX 5.0 Coupe
roy richardson I sure miss those days..
Finally, someone who understands Fox Bodies, I have had Mercury Zephyr, Ford Fairmonts, Mercury Capri and 4 pot headlight Mustangs all Fox Bodies, and yes you;'re correct about the Cobra name, it follows the same concept if you don't use the name you lose it, it is part of the copyright laws, you have earned a new subscriber.
My pet peeve, is when a direct drive fan is still called a fan clutch
Someone added a flex fan to this car at some point, its not stock
NYPATRIOT so when you say fan clutch you are only talking about the clutch right? Which the fan is attached to. So, you have a fan clutch and a fan and as an assembly it would be a clutch fan. Since it is a clutch type fan assembly. lol that’s what gets me.
..."They did away with the fan clutch, but they've got a better fan clutch on here"...The way I would interpret this: The stock fan CLUTCH was removed and replaced with a more efficient one. That would mean only the clutch was changed [ referring to the meaning of the statement ]
@@sparkimoto does foxcast know what a fan clutch is?? points to solid spacer, calls it a clutch...
it's just me not everybody but if you knock that fan and or a fan clutch off of the front of that motor you get 10 to 12 usable horsepower by running electric fans
I bought an 88 GT 5 speed convertible in May 1988 and I appreciate you clearing the air.
The Canadian cobra story... ha
Had a 90 conv gt “cobra” sticker car. People used to overplay it for me!!
And lx’s were usually lighter and faster!
Nice rant!
yup.. thats what i was saying the LX was faster i love my GT and the LX i've owned but i still love the styling of the GT
I really like that you explain in detail on foxbody myths to a lot of knuckleheads myself included. I have owned over 10 mustangs, not at the same time. From a 79 four banger to a 2014 V6. I'm still looking for those other 2 cylinders for my V6. LOL Great video 👍
I’d Rather get an LX than a GT
The 87-88 motors were no more stout than the 89-92, however the hotter cam and speed density fueling made them the only true factory 225hp cars. 2-3hp was lost going to the milder cam and mass-air. All 5.0 Mustangs used forged pistons from 85-92 and were replaced by sintered.powdered metal hyper-eutectic types in 93. Forged pistons are marked trw on the underside. Proud owner of a showroom stock 89 GT daily driver. Great video.
300 foot pounds of torque not 300 hp. Good info. I have heard the LX is lighter than a GT.
I had heard the same thing. I figured maybe they were talking about the no option cars. I haven't seen any GT's without power options, we'll, not that I've noticed.
No ground effects and the notchback has no spoiler so they are definitely lighter if you have one without a lot of power accessories.
It was allegedly a lighter car and the Notchback, as mentioned by @Thomas Cullen Jr., was the lightest of the LX's. With that being said, if you had a convertible LX it would be heavier than the GT even with power options. The convertible GTs were obviously heavier but the ground effects and some of the power options are very nice on the GTs and some folks love them... I am a freaky big fan of the early 80s and particularly '84 and '85 Mustangs just because I adore the four eyed look... Anyhow... If I were to go later I love certain things that others hate - like the "cheese grater" tail lights.
The notchbacks are much lighter. Have an 88 and with a minimal weight drop (sound deadening out, spare out, stuff like that) it weighs in on the local scales at 2750 without me in it. It is a no option car though.
Oh you meant LX trim, not the notchbacks. My bad.
All the speedometers were certified the same way. I worked for ford and ran a department that did warranty swaps on clusters. We ran calibration tests on ALL the clusters we touched. Same bench, same program.
In Parma, OH?
My pet peeve is when the blue “high miler” as in (mileage) hoses are pronounced as “high Miller”. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It's not blue for high mileage, its blue for high mil or hose wall thickness
I own a '90 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, the "rich man's Fox". I love everything about it. 170K miles, virtually all stock, it's a great Fox body platform car and a hot rod Lincoln luxury sports coupe all in one.
I had an 86 lx notch 5.0. Miss that car dearly.
Time for another brutha!
I have one I'm working on
I worked at a large ford dealer in Orlando that sold these SSPs to the FHP. Every one I saw had the silicone hoses. I think it was in 93 when Ford screwed up and assembled many of the cars with standard hose clamps. The silicone hoses need a special clamp that won't cut the softer hose when you tighten it down. We had to replace the clamps on all the cars before they could be delivered. All FHP cars were 5 spd and came from Ford already painted black and yellow. There were also some that were unmarked in dark gray paint and a maybe few other colors? Some local departments had autos. The Mustang was the primary patrol car at the time. Almost every trooper drove one, but they also had to have some Crown Vics for transporting anyone they arrested. The back seat of the Mustang had little room to start with and had a rack in it to hold paper file folders and their smokey the bear hat. The Volusia County FHP troop still may have a mint 93 Mustang they use for parades and events along with a 350 Camaro. They also had some 5.0 Fox LTDs in the '80's. In later years they had a few Mercury Marauders that were slightly modified. A local dept. had a 95 Mustang GTS 5.0 in black as an unmarked car, though there was no longer a police package then.
I want an LTD it’d be so cool, I enjoyed watching this video whilst in my fox body lol
The Boy Hahaha thanks bud!
I remember seeing a 1983 5.0 LX, brand new, sitting at the Ford dealer in 1983. It was my first time seeing one. Sitting right next to a GT irronically.
I had a 1985 GT purchased used in 85 with 8300 +/- miles. I also purchased a 88 LX 5.0 convertible new in early 89.
Great cars!
my pet peeve "its super rare" in for sale ads..... Really means I want stupid money for my clapped out fox body needing tons of work.. Its rare because options where dirt cheap and more people wanted options.. About the ssp coolant hoses "hi miller"? you mean Hi-miler? (like mileage) hoses..... That was the name of the cheaper goodyear EPDM rubber blue one's now sold by Continental . Fords where a silicone blend. Nothing "miller" about them just silicone/ polyester . you can't find them any more because china flooded the market with cheap and poorly made silicone kits that won't last anywhere near as long as the motorcrafts did. Gates and Eaton still offer that type of hose for HD equipment but not much automotive anymore.
No Thanks Hahahah, yeah they are always “super rare”
You can still get Ford SVE silicone hoses.
lmr.com/products/79-93-Mustang-Radiator-Hoses-Heater-Hoses
sve is cheap china silicone with there logo on it ,.... if you want them for the look ok, but performance wise a gates rubber hose will out last them and won't have the permeation the cheap silicon hoses do.
No Thanks, Ok thank you for the heads up. I thought they were the real deal and they look to be very thick and substantial, that's what made me think they might be good ones.
I have a set of the originals on my 86 GT and they are a much lighter blue than those, that did give me pause when I looked at those SVE hoses.
whats rare is a fox body thats low mileage, all original and still runs. there were rare models though like limited production painbt combos, anniversary models and mid transition models like 78 1/2, 84 1/2 and 92 1/2 mustangs
Had 87 freak 5.0 gt. Ran low 13.80s @102 stock engine with drag radials with pro 5.o shifter, and h pipe and flomasters.
Brian Neeley my 88 did the same only with 373 gears. Stock shifter. Stock h pipe 😂 just flow masters and gutted cats
Rolling in my 5.0 rag top down so my hair can flow.
With the hunnies on the stanby waiting just to say hi! Hahahah
DID YOU STOP! ???
I had an 88 lx 5.0. A friend had an 87 gt. The ground effects added enough weight that the lx was responded to throttle better and the suspension was effectivly stiffer because of lower weight. My 88 had an overbored cylinder. I had a couple of Lincoln Mercury mechanics who were members of the mustang club replace the short block under warranty. When I got it back, it had huge power compared to stock ( felt faster than a 4.6, 3 valve 2005) and got 30 mpg on the highway. In my mind last of the "pony cars" due to compact size and lower weight.
Great video! I still want a Fox body. I know my things about the 79 to 04 Fox chassis. The Fox platform was introduced in 1978 on the Fairmont. Ford definitely made a number of them in it's 26 year run. I still love them for it's simple engineering. Who can't say that they are simple to work on. I'm so going to found one in 2020. If you got any connections to anyone that is willing to sale a good Fox. Preferring a GT 87 to 93. I'm willing to pay $4500 for the car. Great video. Looking forward to the next one.
Mike Gay Mike you are right the first fox was the ‘78 Fairmont! I appreciate you supporting the channel, and I will keep my eyes out for a clean GT
I know this is old, but they have quite a few for sale on the Facebook marketplace.
How about a red hatchback 91, very clean no rust no flaws all original low miles? Throw me a number
I love the "yellowing" on the bumper. My 84 T-bird did was the same way. Oh how I miss that car
Seriously. Those 5.0 High output motors are good to put turbos and superchargers on. #Roadkill
Love this video. I have 3 mustangs. A 97 gt, a 98 gt and a 04 v6 base model. Love all of them equally. Can't learn enough about mustangs and the history behind them.
do a cam install while the motors in the bay on a fox
Thank you. I own a 88 notch and an 83 Ltd wagon and a lot of people don't understand they are both foxes. Also the police interceptor motor is so true. Drives me crazy!
Do a FOXBODY DRIFT build!
HOONIGAN not fox bodies but cool asf
great vid. I have had the argument with so many people about the mustang cobra & they are convinced there cars are Cobra's but can't tell you how they are any different than a regular GT. I didn't know it was to hold onto the name so thanks.
My 93 coupe with power everything weigh in at 2860 on draglites everything else stock
Yeah thats a friggin street fighter right there!
👍 on the video. I particularly liked when you pointed out the difference between LX & GT is only the trim. My 90 LX is making 204whp. It has been lightly modified. GT40P heads with 1.7 rockers, tubular headers, CAI with 1" manifold spacer. To help reduce drivetrain loss, an aluminum drive shaft. Keep up the good work with the videos. Can't wait to hear your Coyote swap fire up.
Thanks a million Matt, first fire coming this weekend! Your fox sounds like a ton of fun too!
Foxcast Media looking forward to the video.
Matt Oliver wow it should be making more than 204whp...cool car regardless
Your Flooring I bought my Fox in 2006, so it's been a while since I was digging into my Fox. If I recall correctly, the GT40P heads are 58cc combustion chamber. I think it only bumped compression by .5. Stock cam shaft, so with the 1.7 rocker the valves now open to .471. Stock cam with 1.6 rocker, is/was .444. Another piece to the picture, my Fox is an auto car.
Matt Oliver oh ok autocar that makes the difference right there.. i remember back in the day i had an 87gt 5 speed e303 cam stock e7 heads..shorty headers offroad h pipe flowmaster 10s...dont know what it dynoed but i got her into the 13s driving the absolute shit out of it lol...now i have another 87gt mostly stock just headers and exhaust its a dog but i love it
I remember when "Police Interceptor" meant something!!!
Mark 0125 Yup, I did years ago
lol my ford galaxie was a "P"
Yeah that manufacturers could really jack up the sticker price. Municipalities pay good money for a "police car."
ffhgu 07 can you explain these mechanical differences? And a quick factoid for the "it has an interceptor motor in it" guys, police cars are built to the same specs as taxi cabs. They are "fleet" vehicles, one thing in the police/taxi cars that was different than non fleet cars was the number of welds per inch on all body/frame mating points, fleet cars had more spot welds closer together to add strength and reduce flex. Other than that and the hd cooling systems the fleet cars are no better than normal production cars.
@@call_me_danger I was under the impression that taxi cabs are often purchased and repainted police cars, not that taxis and police cars are built to the same spec at the factory?
Even though the 302fi takes to modding well, it is the ease of working on them and the stupid fun they are to drive thats so great. I built a 88 convertible making 419rwhp. Sadly it's starting to rust.
The lx actually had a higher top speed then the gt, I believe when car and driver drove them because the gt had more drag
It was marginal, but yes, depending on what magazine you read back in the day
GT's came with 2.73's also
David cb347 The 2.73 on the LX applies to just the 5.0 (manual + auto). The LX 2.3 featured a 3.27 for the manual and a 3.73 for the auto A4LD.
(Naturally, I’m sure few care about the 2.3 but it is relevant to 4-banger owners like myself!)
Gear ratio. They are different. 100 % I have had way too many to be proud of and there aint no way this jackass is gonna blow his bullshit around. What a dummy.
justa4 banger say that in English please
I loved my '87. Worse thing about those cars were the cheap seats, and the floorboard cracking beneath them.
FYI: lx coupe is 500 lbs lighter than a gt hatchback. so technically by wieght to hp ratio lx should be faster
They are not 500 lbs lighter please dont spread misinfo like this. The fox lx compared to gt might have been 100 or so lbs max prob not even that now if you have a stripped lx notchback compared to a loaded gt it may be closer to 150 but no way its more than that. It is more than 500 less than even a base modern gt if thats what you meant. But fox lx notch vs gt hatch its nowhere near that number in weight difference
This brings back great memories. In H.S. I picked up my 1990 reg GT back new back in the day and my brother picked up a white '90 LX 5.0 at the same time. Had loads of fun with them on the street and then at the track. I could beat 2nd and 3rd gen F bodys, but C4 Vettes and Grand Nationals would inch me out. I used to hit terminal velocity on I95 going home late at night and it would shake itself apart and then boil the brake fluid and warp the rotors when I had to stop in a hurry. Mine was a factory freak and was faster than the other ones. It was awesome because they were dirt cheap working part time as a bussboy I could easily afford it. Raw lightweight car for sure.
Lol so true !! If I remember correctly, here north of the border the “Cobra” cars were ‘86-88. And it Was just a sticker. The 300 # was the torque rating. but there were always those losers that thought they had something special.
100% correct brutha!
Foxcast Media my 5.0L Yoda confirmed it was only the non mass-air injected cars that were labeled “Cobra”.
Jay Why I believe all Canadian GTs 1979 to 82 or so were called cobras, instead of GTs.
83 GT yea I remember those. And the Capri Black Magic. Lol. My 1st car but an 85 RS Bubblehatch.
When I bought my cobra gt at 17...I was only looking for a cobra because I thought it was special. Man was I disappointed when I found out it was just a marketing thing. Lol. Young me makes me laugh...what a numpty
My dad made me drive a smurf blue inside and out LTD for a while. That brings back memories.
Ok. Let's get the bad out of the way first. When it comes to an 88 speed density car vs an 89 mass air, I will choose the mass air every time. Why? Because although people say the 88 was the fastest, EVERY freak car that I came across was an 89 and the 89 had the best cam as well. Every 88 that I worked on was lacking a bit in the torque department compared to an 89.
Now, a big thanks for being the other person that seems to knw why Ford put the name Cobra on the cars. I was getting sick and tired of dumbasses telling me they had a special edition. Same with the Anniversary plaque on the dash. YOUR CAR IS NOT SPECIAL BECAUSE OF THE PLAQUE.
Blue hoses are silicone. Called the rims 10 holes. 1987 GT had "cheesegrater tailights" and "food processor" rims.A fully loaded LX hatch would weigh the same as a GT. Hatch weighs 50 lbs more than trunk, but some people believe that the weight is in the right spot, over the rear wheels to give more traction.
Chidrole and Jay Why.
J&P used to race turbo Dodges and went Ford hard core when Joe got the red notchback. Last name is Da Silva. Paul had the black Mercury Cougar XR7. Paul did the engine work. They started off in Scarborough. Barbados Ct.
Joe and Paul went separate ways Da Silva racing with Joe selling a lot of bolt ons and body kits. Paul is PSP (Paul Silva Performance).
Joe's shop is 1km from my house and the last time I saw Paul was.....yesterday at Cayuga.
Back in the day, I bought some parts from J&P and engine parts from Tommy Morana at AfFORDable performance and Wade from RCHS. Chassis parts from Lucky Marcos at Lucky's performance where we used to buy our VP fuels on the way to Cayuga.
I met Joe and Paul at Finch and Weston in 1988. Tommy Morana at Vic Park and Gordon Baker in 1987. Also we went to Warden and Sheppard, Dundas and Confederation, Pine Valley and HWY7. All after midnight, if you know what I mean...
Go back to the track, you won't regret it. What smells better than burnt VP fuel and tire smoke? Have an unhealthy burger and fries and sit on the same bleachers from back in the day. Saw a bunch of 1980-1990 Mustangs yesterday. Nothing newer. Some of them still powershifting a 5 speed running insane times.
This is some good stuff! The SN95 Mustang chassis is derived from the Fox chassis, but the lower subframes up front are a bit different, the rear are also altered, and the trans tunnel and floor pans were revised as well, which is why it is also known as the "Fox-4" platform. I noticed that you didn't address the other big myth about the old 5.0 Mustang. It's not really a 5.0! It's 4948cc, or 4.9L. Ford called it 5.0 because 1. It sounds better, 2. With a version of that engine available in the truck line alongside the 300 cid I6, they rounded up to avoid confusion at the parts counter.
Here is a misconception for you, " mustang's are junk."... says the LS fanboy using a foxbody chassis lol.
100% agreed Nathan
Because Chevy guys are smart enough to know fox body stangs are super light, dirt cheap, and the aftermarket sells everything you need to replace all the ford junk .😎
bdd1469 could not have said that better
Maybe from 1990 an on there junk i can agree there. Anything before the 90's was dam good.
And slow af
Bought a 88 LX hatchback 4 cyl 5-speed over 15 years ago. Never had any intention of putting a V-8 in her. I've thought more along the lines of turbocharged to keep the front end lighter. Anyway it's a fun car that handles corners well.
I've had both 4 cyl really handles twistys much better than an 8 in a drag both 90 lx 4 cly and 90 gt 5.0 both in pretty much stock form the gt just slowly walked away from the 4 cyl both fun cars and i think both can be killers on the ashphalt
People actually have told you that an LX is slower than a GT?? LOL...The LX is faster since they tended to be a bit lighter. Your stripper LX is a good example of that. GT's tended to be loaded. Although I have a friend that had a stripper 87 GT with manual windows and mirrors. He had the only one I ever saw that way. He nicknamed it the Amish mustang. Great video like normal. Your videos really make me want to find another foxbody mustang.
jason mcquinn I’m not shitting you bro, I hear it constantly
My first fox was a '91 5.0 hatchback. The only GT that I would want is a '85 year model.
jason mcquinn very cool i have an 87 gt factory stripper manual everything was wondering how rare it is
I still drive my 1 owner, LX 5L notchback Mustang. It is bare. I did not purchase any of the extras. Wind up windows, regular locks, no air cond. etc. I still love my car and while it has a few small issues but going to work on these things this summer.
also, the lx was found to be a little quicker than the gt due to weight differences. i remember reading that back in the day in hot rod or something.
Chris Davis Yes sir, but not by a whole lot
that was always my assumption, at that point it was arguing samantics...
gears helped make it a little quicker
Chris Davis yes sir ur right they where 300 lbs. Lighter
wow, didnt think there was that much difference
Always loved the LX's - I had 2 89s, both 5.0/5 spd hatches. The last one I had (fully loaded and bone stock) weighed 3,170. I never dyno'd it stock, but with pullies, shorty headers, off-road H and a timing bump made 219hp/274tq on a dynojet. Added big and little Welds with the old bias ply ET Streets and 4.10s and it went 13.3@101
what about a 3/4 race cam ?
Hahahahah
I was told many years ago that the 3/4 race cam term was started by the max wedge mopar guys that had a cam with .75" of lift. But through the years as younger guys got into the car scene, they heard "3/4 race cam" and misunderstood it as 3/4 race cam vs full race cam and not a value of valve lift. This may not be true but it sounds plausible to me.
That is a old timers term .
The pinto is a grandfathered fox body, great info on the fox chassis. And those are silicone hoses in the police package, they used them on most police packages for Chevy and ford, I’m not sure on dodge though.
Good video
Thanks bud
That blue car is a rare one. the tiny window at the back is a rare feature, most of them are solid bodywork there.
If i hear one more idiot selling an explorer intake calling it a GT40 and asking $300 for it, I am going to scream. That and those that say you HAVE to set the TPS to .98 and that underdrive pulley do anything but cause overheating and cooling problems
MrMikestang63 Damn, I forgot those! Good call
Nimbus Nimbus correct. They ARE a GT40 intake. Just not the tubular upper intake, which you’re going to pay big💰 for IF you can find one. I remember that article in MM&FF too that you’re talking about on the flow numbers between the Tubular intake and the ‘93 Cobra/5.0 Explorer intake.
Nimbus Nimbus on a factory vehicle, yes. They came stock on the SAAC Fox Mustangs too. You could order them through Ford Racing back in the day too.
One for sale on Corral.net for $300 right now, not gold
TPS is no joke.
Beautiful car. When i was young i had a 79’ Lx Notchback. That had an 86’ front end on it. I didnt have a 5.0 but my v6 kept up with alot of 8 cylinder cars. I blew our the rear gears and swapped the whole rear with an 88’ gt that had better gear ratios. Unfortunately i crashed into a telephone pole and wrecked it. I miss that car so much
I have a canadian gt cobra
Theres a ton of them out there!
@@FoxcastMedia not as many as you think they are rotting out pretty fast
Love the notchback. My 89 LX 5.0 coupe I bought new in 89 (not a police package) with power windows, locks and air conditioning weighs in at 2961 stock so the ssp is more likely less than that. GTs with all the fancy bits were as much as 400 lbs heavier actually making them slower than an LX. Especially a notchback. By the way I still have the 89 after almost 30 years.
The LXs were actually faster than the GT because the GT was heavier. Plus the power rating was 5 hp different between the 5spd and AOD cars. I think car and driver listed them at like 210 auto 215 5spd.
Less weight always means faster given the same power, and the engines were rated the same, but the AOD sucked a ton of power
Richard Sak I bought 1 new in 88 & i had an 87, the horse power rating was 225 & it went down i believe to 215 in 90 or 93.
Marty Collins yes...I believe you are correct. Long time ago lol. I remember being a car obsessed teen (14 in 88) and reading all the different magazines dreaming of driving soon. I remember the manual and AOD varied in HP but exact numbers are a bit fuzzy. Little did I know my first Mustang wouldn't come until 2017 at 43 thanks to NYC Insurance rates...the insurance companies just laughed at me when I was a single 17 year old lol. Now, my Mustang GT cost 90 dollars more every 6 months than my leased 2014 Focus did before that. Age does have its privileges sometimes hahaha.
Yes I can remember back then the LX was faster than the GT
Nimbus Nimbus I dont know how they were eating them but I clearly remember in the back of the magazines at the time where they would list all the cars they have tested and their specs, there was a 5hp difference between manual and AOD. I dont know how they were eating the power but I do know they had a number listed and then another one in parentheses with the other trans.
Foxbodies hp numbers were underated but the torque is what made them fun right out the box
Come get some 900hp 2.3!!!!!! BOI !!!!!
Hahha theres a bunch of those 2.3Ts doin work!
@@FoxcastMedia years ago I had one with a holset hx35 putting 348@ the wheels lol. Its nothing now but around 96-97 it hurt a LOT of guys feelings.
Holy cow that was the most information I've ever gotten for my fox body I have a four-eyed Fox body, I was corrected a couple months ago with the Canadian Cobra aspect of it, I did buy my in Canada I've had it since 1989 it's an 85, it's black with the gray interior I don't think they made a lot of them the kilometer aspect on the speedometer is kind of funny, but I can't tell you how much I appreciate all the information you have given me, if I'm not mistaken the GT of that 85s were actually somewhere between 3 to 500 lb heavier because of the hatchback style trunk, but I could be wrong I'm not sure again thank you for all your information it is extremely useful, so I don't make an ass out of myself again. On the upside I do love that 85 it is brutally quick it is completely original, and it's kind of like driving a cat with its tail on fire it just wants to come around on you.lol
Dude!!! I get it your goin after the non fox or mustang crowd, but dang,its getting old with your not working on or not finishing your coyote build and 3rd grader vids , not to be a jerk but you need to see make a decision on who you want to be your followers, someone who can't change a spark plug or true foxbody lovers???
lville lville Ok ok I’m headed there now! Geez 😂
Thank you Thank you for clearing up the mess.
People have a hard time understanding platform (chassis) sharing.
Man I want that ssp mustang soo bad can you please give it to me that'd be great thanks
Trickynicky B Hahahaha I doubt this one will be for sale
Foxcast Media if I were you guys I would put mr hanky type wheels on it "Dogdish style" if that's what their called with a CB radio and 24" antenna in the back with dark tinted windows... it would look super bad ass
I had a '90 GT hatchback. I've worked on and driven newer mustangs, ferraris, vipers and porsches, but nothing gave me as much of a smile as my stang did. I want one again...
You & quite a few other people.
It's still just an escort with a v8...
Big Phizzle Escorts were great. Ur not.
Big muscle in a rally chassis sounds good to me.
An interceptor v8 :P
The SSP cars had a oil cooler coming off the oil filter housing. Should have an extra ground strap from the firewall to the hood on the passenger side. And some were outfitted with a high amp heavy duty alternator.
I got distracted at point 1 and just kept hearing Jake Elwood in my mind: "It's got a cop motor, a 440-cubic-inch plant. It's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas."
Good video with a lot of good info. I do believe you are mistaken on one point. Yes, the Mustang SSP had the same drive line as the retail Mustang LX 5.0 and the GT, however the Police Interceptor LTD/Crown Victoria up until 1991, when equipped with the 5.0 did not have the same 5.0 HO as the Mustang. The LTD had the base 5.0 used in the F series trucks rated at 150 hp if I remember correctly. The only performance option for the LTD Police car was the 5.8/351W rated at 180 hp.
My favorite fox body mustang years where the 79-86. Love the 4 eyed versions. I currently own a 85 gt hatchback which did not have all the extra skirtings the 87-93 had.
See i have an 86 foxbody convertible, and its the newer style with the round lights like the car in the video. So do you think I should but interior parts for an 86 or an 87
I had an 83 Mercury Capri RS 'bubbleback' with a 5.0. My first sports car. Back in 86 when I bought it, it seemed very fast. With the flared fenders and fake hood scoop, it was one of my favorite cars and I still miss it. By comparison, my STi with 470 whp is a LOT faster and seems a lot more luxurious, but it's hard to beat the V8 sound.
The 2 most fun fox bodies I owned. A 1987 lx with the 2.3, a friend raced midgets at the time the 2.3 was the hot engine to run. We dropped one of midget engines in it offy intake and all.....If any of you have driven a fox woth a 4 banger the steering is so light (less weight).It felt like a go cart very easy to toss the car around. I picked up a 1983 coupe from a boneyard one of my friends worked at with a 351w shoehorned into it. Total sleeper, still had hubcaps.
Had another 87 gt .030. 0 deckheight twisted wedge heads E303 cam crane roller rockers, lifters & a 150 shot 70mm throttle body mathing maf and 24lb injectors. Also had a1969 coupe with a #'s matching 302. A 1980 200 straight 6 fox . I currently have a 2000 gt with a 4.6 and a Paxton novi intercooled (54,000 mi) and another grocery list to get it to perform right.
I just turned 17 and for my birthday my dad got me a 4 cylinder 93 fox body lx convertible.
Swap out the 4cyl for something 8cyl 👿
the LX was faster from memory cause they was a little bit lighter cause i've owned both but i still own my foxbody GT cause its been in the family forever now.
Loop Koop I thought I remembered the same thing. Lighter car faster than a a GT. He’ll when I was a youngster they wanted the lx for track purposes ( early to mid 90s)
@@3rdcoastobs467 Yeah i'd like another trunk car really about to sell the GT and look for another soon maybe but the trunk cars are rather hard to find we had two notch back T top cars years ago super hard to find.
I agree for the most part,but there is a Ford dealership in Nashville Tn. that sells pretty much all the Ford Police units in Tn. and they modify them all before they get sold and the Mustang SSPs that they send out are closer to 400 hp after they get through with them. Even the Explorers are hopped up from factory specs before they hit the street. My law enforcement friends tell me that the Police Explorers will top 160 mph. I saw a local Sherriff's Explorer the other day with a Coyote 5.0 and a turbocharger,the deputy says he has had it beyond the 160 on the speedo and ran down a new model Hellcat Charger.
I just found this after finding a sticker on the back of an Escape at pull a part. I'm now subscribed. Thanks. 😀
I watched one of your videos and found it very interesting my car has been at a well-known shop in Virginia for a engine rebuild now for about a year
Biggest peeve, people claiming some SSP Mustangs came with 351's.
Police Crown Vics at the time could be ordered with a 351, but it had that 'feedback' carb.
Fl Marine Patrol used them to pull boats.
I believe they had the crappier seats in the Lx 5 liter. Whereas the Gt had the better looking bucket type. I wasn’t overly thrilled with the 1987 when it came out. You could get that bright orange stripe down the side and all the ground effects was a little much. The 5.0 still reminded me of the fox body I loved with 85/86 gt wheels. As time went I didn’t mind the Gt.
I just got my 1st mustang this year. 2016 Ecoboost. I’ll forever want a foxbody mustang. atm I just need a daily but I can’t wait to save up and get a 5.0 mustang one day.
Love that you rethought swearing in front a church. Subscribed.
I bought a 93 LX notchback 5.0L 5 speed new in 93. $18,000. I kept it until I got married in 2000, my wife made me trade it. I cried as I left it at the dealership. That car was a beast. I smoked a lot of other muscle cars with it. If you knew when to drop the clutch coming of the line, it would explode of the line. I could also get it to smoke the tires through 4 gears. I miss that car every day.
Don't forget the Thunderbird they ran the fox body platform as well. I have a 86 Thunderbird turbo coupe
Coming from a Chevy Guy, this was an interesting and very informed video! Great job!
In Canada the "Cobra's" were the Gt's with louvered taillights and ground effects
I had an 89 LX and a 93 GT when they were new. Hate that I don’t own them now. And am shocked that the value of these cars has gone up like it has in the last few years. Gets harder to pull the trigger on a car I know has been beat to death by previous owners.
You so absolutely right, finally there is someone else out there that knows something about mustang. I agree with everything you said about the mustang. As far as the fox bodies go's, GM cars were label as fox bodies doing the 80s as well. The Carmaro, SS Monticarlo, Buick Grand National and so on.
Most people at car shows and different car events that i go to only thing that mid 80s and early 90s mustangs was label as fox body. Most of them are 40 years of age and younger. They look at me as if i don't know what in the hell I'm talking about. SMH.
Great video and info. I love my 83 GLX 5.0. The original owner optioned it w/o power windows. mirrors or AC. It's got chrome trim on the mirrors, door frames and great sky blue velour seats. Someday soon I will have to paint the original midnight blue metallic paint and will have to decide to have them recreate the pinstripes on the body and body trim. I am never going to sell this car!
The Fairmonts/Zephyrs were the best selling Fox body cars and you forgot to mention them, but the rest of the video was good info