Renault Zoe 52 kWh review
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Please do a 1000km challenge on the Zoe.
@@MrGoogle87 Does you upgraded Q210 also starts throttling down charging speed at about 40% like my Q90?
100 thumbs up on this request .. so you have to do it :D
wouldnt that need around 4 stops charging? (maybe more for faster charging) - 12 hours?
@@MrGoogle87 not bad! I took 10.30h to make 550km with the R90 41kWh with 2 charging stops to high SoC (to be sure) from Lausanne to Padova. But i guess the charging speed here makes the difference. But not so much AC 43kW in that road (through Milan, Domodossola, brig).
@@fehlix5134 It does about 50 %, I also have a Q210 turbo ;)
The Renult Zoe is like the girl next door, at first you don't even notice her. But after some time you'll be asking "was she always that pretty?".
oh I don't know... Still thinking it's a bit ugly ;-)
@@Bigwebwasher Like my grandfather always said, "picky people have to beat it off themself."
She'll grow up fat and smoking cigarettes. I'll pass.........
Agreed, this update is really appealing for a city car.
I agree. Always a good looking car but now maturing nicely
So nice of you bjørn to "work after hours ;)" - Love the commitment you have, you are the go to guy for any information on evs!
I get a little annoyed when Bjørn says that ZOE 50 has slow acceleration, I think most people who switch from fossil car to ZOE 50 135hp will not be disappointed with the acceleration.
If you are used to EVs that have 200hp or more then you will surely be spoiled with extreme acceleration.
And when it comes to the range of the car, we have to wait for Bjørn's range test to be able to compare with other EVs.
Same here! I can drive the old ZOE here in Munich trough sixt car sharing. It´s acceleration made my girlfriend say „I feel sick to my stomach“ LOL A tesla is just insane!
ya, my first gen zoe was fast enough to win against a shocked bmw m3 at a red light :) good enough.. then again, my model 3 now.. oh my god :D
You guys should try Kona, e-Niro, e-Soul or Leaf 40-62 kWh.
@@achenarmyst2156 You are absolutely right, I can understand that there are people who want to arrive quickly but to accelerate 0-100km for 8 seconds or faster is unnecessary and dangerous.
@@jan-erikeriksson1747 bad acceleration is like a blunt knife: it's much more probable to get cut with it because you have to force its capabilities. Quicker acceleration can get you out of a misjudged overtake and other dangers
Please give us the 1000 km challenge on the Zoe, for it’s price it is really a great car! Very nice new features to test Bjørn☀️🌧❄️🌬☔️🌦
Zoe R135 52kWh is air cooled too. I would prefer the PSA concept -> 100kW motor, 11kW AC, 100kW DC, 50kWh fluid cooled battery with heat pump - and a choice of different cars -> DS3 Crossback e-tense, Peugeot e-208/e-2008 and Opel/Vauxhall Corsa-e
Please, please, no more new EV cars with simple air cooling system for the lithium batteries. ¿How difficult is to make in 2019 a decent liquid refrigerated system with a heat pump?
Please guys, try to copy the Model 3 liquid system to care with love those delicate expensive batteries, cooling at hot summer & fast charges, and warming at cold winter days, and leave the "bettle Era" of old air cooling.
Well yeah but over here in Netherlands Peugeot will be asking 39 grand in EURO for the 208 GT-Line. Which is completely ridiculous..
I am a bit surprised at the consumption. A TB (tm) range test is needed.
With this in mind - I always had a soft spot for the Zoe - and with 52 kWh, DC and 22 kW AC this puppy is truly evolving into quite the tiny powerhouse for the buck. Obviously not for a huge family or those that go road-tripping every day. But as an everyday car that happily does the 500 km trip a few times a year to visit friends and family - absolutely. With that reverse speed - one does not even have to turn around to go home :-O
It is great times, seeing how the bar is continuously raised, also from the entry-level and not only for the premium side.
And I want to add - the French always had a special understanding of how to make their short wheel-base city-cars feel reassuringly stable at speed.
Edit - Ps - great job on the Raven/Audi back to back test.
The red looks great. My current Zoe is black but if I get another I will definitely go for the red.
Fun fact, electric motors without gears can in theory go as fast in reverse as forward.
A bit like DAF (former dutch fossil car) with Variomatic (3 gears forward and backward). Lots of them ended in reverse races.
Holy heck , imagine future hitman movies in evs , Lol
With forced air cooling and 50kW max charging rate
It might not rapidgate at all
Really good car and good price too
Quality review Bjorn. You are getting better. You are fair to the cars you test, admitting when you make a mistake. I also liked the noise meter. The silence of an electric car is actually a serious metric for purchase, once you have owned one.
The new Zoe is a real beauty. They just done it right. For me personally, the best EV you can get today.
Bjørn, thanks a lot for your review!
As a Zoe driver, I need to tell you that the rear fan of the Zoe has two purposes: cooling and heating. Also, the Zoe has a watercooled battery. At 29:40 when you say it's a good combination, you hear the fan and the pump starting so it cools the battery. Thermal management is done in two ways on the Zoe.
In winter, the rear fan runs constantly and a pump can sometimes be heard from underneath the car. In the summer you hear the fan in the back and in the front, with the AC running. Under the hood on the drivers side, you have a coolant reservoir and that one is for the battery.
Thanks again!
Zoe has only air cooling/heating
Thanks for the review, Bjørn! Considering that you had the car only for a couple of hours you managed to show us a lot of interesting things.
I'm quite impressed with the infotainment system in this compared to other mid range cars. Seems like I could use it without pulling my hair out :) Not as clean as tesla but way better than many others I've seen.
when checking the head room i like the way you show how practical it is, putting a your hand/fist above your head the only thing missing is how tall you are so can compare to how tall the rest of us are.
The Jeremy Clarkson of EV’s!
willem baartman -far better than Jeremy Clarkson.
Clarkson would hate this car
I was so happy to see this pop up in my feed! great video. happy owner of a Zoe ZE20 and hopefully will get a ZE50 at some point. :) can't beat the 22kW charging
You lucky bastard always get the cars soooo early. Envy speaks out of me!
Wish they came (back) to Canada. But hopefully that 25K Tesla is a subcompact like this.
Incredible how much detail you can give about a car in how much time, ±5 hours?? Excellent job as always.
Zoe is used a lot in renting fleets, but also in cities. Having a 22kW charger looks very useful, as lots of parking lots have these chargers. Also renting companies will benefit from it... I suppose that fast ac or dc charging was implemented for them.
For the owner, only advantages. Cheap, small, fast charging and low maintenance car, looks like a great deal. It reminds me to the Golf at its times.
Cheers :)
10:15 ...camera loses focus and won't lock on the screen again for the next 15 seconds ... 10:27 "let's not focus too much on that one" :D
Oh man the new ZOE interior looks so good. When i compare it to my classic ZOE....
I like the size and simplicity of the ZOE. Something I really miss in the model 3.
1:41 Very slow is subjective. Slow compared to premium EVs? Certainly. Slow compared to fossil cars in this class? Certainly not!
Last time I checked, Leaf and Kona are not considered premium EV.
Reason077 we don't have a 0-100 kph on it, so we don't know, but it sure looks slow from video. Not all ICE cars are slow. Compared to a Model 3, it is definitely slow.
I think we who have been around for a while and remembers the Peugeot 205 GTI (one of the best small hatchbacks ever - regardless of time) will agree with you. I assume this is a tad slower (bit more power, more weight due to battery and safety that the 205 had).
10 seconds to 100 is obviously not raising much attention. But it is quick enough to not slow the world down.
What is important is that we are given valid and decent options at a much wider price and size range than just a couple of years ago. I am all yay for that.
@@bjornnyland Leaf and Kona are premium (price) compared to Zoe!
@@Newzchspy Zoe is around half the price of an SR+ Model 3. Maybe less if you get a good deal.
Another great vlog from Bjorn, full of good information on the new Zoe. As an e-Niro owner of 6 months and 12,000 km I have come to the conclusion there is a ‘charging gap’ with the e-Niro and most other EVs on the market. Like most EV owners most of my charging is done at home and I get 2.2Kw typically...so am adding about 12 km every hour which is fine for me. On the occasional long trips I have used 50Kw DC chargers and they work really well. Adding over 200 km while taking a 40 minute break is fine. Problem is that In France, and I suspect most other countries the 7-22Kw AC chargers greatly outnumber DC Rapid chargers. There are AC chargers in every little village around here... but the e-Niro tops out at 7.2Kw..which adds about 40 km in an hour. If my car could take 22Kw AC like the Zoe I could put 120 km on in an hour, over lunch say which is a really useful top-up..So the ‘charging gap’ is for me between 7kw and 50Kw...The Zoe seems to have filled that gap with 22Kw AC..this could be a winner. For anyone interested, do check out my e-Niro ownership experience ‘Kia e-Niro Diaries’.
So
- Price: Starts at 24000
- Range max 300 - 395km
- 0-100kmh 9,5sec (135PS vers. 245Nm)
- Max speed 140khm
- Fast charging (890€ extra) 50kw DC or 22kw AC (150km in 30min DC, 0-100 in 3h 40min AC)
- Trunk 338 - 1225 l
If you check definitions for motor and engine you won't find much of difference. Yes we do tend to talk about electric motors, but the two words are basically interchangeable.
So I would be more concerned with the 'start' rather than the 'engine'
That transformer looks suspiciously like the ghost trap boxes from Ghostbusters..
"Now power by ghost energy"
I thought the same
Bjørn the master reviewer for EVs. Highly recommended.
Great test as always. Don`t get upset because of haters. ABC!
Fun to see Bjørn study the ZOE on the bus stop nearly outside my home. The RAV4 EV also have both the GOM and state of charge.
I wish Renault would provide CCS as standard. Making it an expensive extra option is crazy.
It is probably expensive. That's why they didn't have it in earlier generations. ZOE always was about the price/performance. What's so bad about having an option not to have expensive, possibly, unnecessary equipment to get a lower price?
Not everyone needs that. Many people/companies are charging their ZOE over night. Why then make the car more expensive for them?
@@RupertBaindl 52 kWh city car doesn't seem like a good financial move.
@@samusaran7317 maybe. But if you cannot charge at home, you may need any kWh to come over the week. E.g. when you charge at the shopping mall on Saturday.
@@RupertBaindl I have some sympathy for apartment dwellers without access to regular charging; it's like pulling teeth to add in 220 volt charging spots.
Thanks for looking at the Zoe. I encourage you to give it a full road test and review, as this was a bit hasty. This is the THIRD generation of the Zoe, so Renault are way ahead of other manufacturers making mass market EVs. Value and performance, range and charging are now very good. I suspect the B mode is not just about regen, but is an eco mode, where power is limited to extend range. Second generation Zoe's (41 kw) have normal and eco driving modes and fixed regen settings. Keen to hear your considered views on roadtrip data, and type 3 and CCS charging.
New Leaf always has state of charge and GOM Range at the bottom of the driver's display.
the touchscreen monitor is nicer than the VW ID3
Ever heard the Zoe charging? It makes an awful wining electric sound. Never heard it charging other cars. Hope they fixed it in this update.
French cars in general have rather bad cup-holder placement (and in case with old Zoe - size). Maybe because French don't take coffee out that often :)
you are right we do not do this ,it is no so common , i think people still have manly manual gear box, and we don' t drink big cups coffee , we have more italian small espresso style coffee.
The regen is stronger when batteries are less than 66%
Experienced fast reverse in my old Zoe recently. Car going for some bodywork repair next week... :(
That was funny when you floored it and was like "wow that is very slow" most other reviewers go like "wow that is so quick (0-100 16sec)"
It’s 9,5 orso 0-100
You need to start testing the horns :D
Maybe the regenerative breaking is more limited when the battery is over 80%/near full? The charging on most EVs slows down considerably when they are getting full, so it would make sense that its also the case with the regen.
Please do the 1000 km challenge with this one
To get heat when you are charging. Lock the doors (from inside or outside thru the key fob) Then switch on heat on the keyfob and seat heating works also. Same as the old Zoe (not in the manual)...
No button for heater on ZE50 keyfob anymore...
@@bjornnyland Sorry, but then you still can do it from the app (I expect). But I do agree it is a big stupidity that you can not switch on the heater from inside when charging. That is basically a necessity in our part of the world...
Like your detailed reviews. Keep in mind this is a small eco car so no autopilot isnt a suprise.
I have looked at other video tests on the ZOE 50 and it looks like Bjørn is much taller than 173cm when sitting in the car compared to others who test the car, is it just me who experiences this?
I would also like to thank Bjørn for the test which provides very good information about the car and also good entertainment.
Zoe won't charge with the motor on (safety). Zoe uses active air cooling from the A/C. The fans can be quite loud. My grandson can hear the hum of the internal transformer but not many others can.
Looks like a huge step up in quality compared to the last Zoe!
Thanks for the review Bjørn. I live in France and have decided on the Zoë, but was disappointed to find that the 7inch and 9 inch screens are add on extras not standard.
Was going to get a Zoe, going to buy the MG now.
Exactly!
Hei:)
Har sannsynligvis sett alle dine elbiltester siden du startet med Tesla S😊
Sansen for dine hvermansen reviews. Du viser/tester det vi lurer på👍
Tenker nye Zoe er en svært bra elbil mht pris/brukervennlighet/rekkevidde/kvalitet.
Kan lett bli en storselger i Norge nå som 50Kw DC er mulig👍
Som du påpeker i videoen så er ladefleksibiliteten unik i sitt prissegment👍
Its stupid for EVs to have a shift lever next to the driver seat which is prime real estate for coffee cup etc. ICE cars needed it their to control the transmission which was right below but EVs just need a button on the dash or such.
Or on the wheel
@@Muskar2 i love you both for that comment ! then we 3 persons still love the bmw i3. they did it amazing !
A lot of ICE cars have electronic shifters too.
I hope they can upgrade the charge unit with an additional blue CEE adapter which will be real cost saving for us Norwegians.
I wish Renault would bring this car to South Africa. So far we only have the Nissan Leave and Jaguar as full EV's.
New London Cabs have 22KW AC charging and 50KW DC Charging. In fact, it does both CCS and Chademo DC charging. But to be fair, it is quite a bit more expensive
here in Brazil the version with 300 km of autonomy is sold for 32 000 euros, here is a very expensive car and this version has no forecast coming to the Brazilian market.
Thats close to price in Europe. People are looking at the price with incentives and with battery lease!
here the Zoe is sold without battery rental, the equipment level is good, but s Renault took out the curtain airbags
Zoe going really fast in reverse is necessary for the next Luc Besson's action movies ;-)
In Holland there are almost no 22Kw chargers most of them are 11Kw chargers.... BTW I can't wait for Bjorn to test a Peugeot e-208 (or a Opel Corsa) when it comes available! Greetings from Holland.
i came from an 82hp petrol car, that was slow... Now I have a standard Model 3, 275hp
Welcome to the future :)
"Oh that is very slow man" -Bjorn
Tolles Video! Sehr gute Erklärung der neuen Zoe. Danke
Does the Renault Zoe still emmit a high frequency sound when charging ac? This was very annoying when using the last model year.
Ow yes this is the good shieet where I have been waiting for man. You never stop amazing me.
Battery is still aircooled. Although, now you can use the heater whilst charging, which is nice.
Yes, mind you in the previous Zoe you can still heat the car whilst charging by activating preconditioning ... works well for long trips in winter
Maybe strong regen (B mode) is more suitable in city driving? I prefer not to hard regen when driving on highway/roads, but in city or lower speed I appreciate strong regen...
Reanult ZOE costs 32k €.
Reanult Clio RS LINE costs 20k€. Similar car and you save a lot of money.
Any Frunk?
What are the tyres and wheels size values and options?
Even a 110 or 135hp Zoe isn't slow by ICE standards, about 90-100hp is normal for such a car on petrol, with ICE acceleration being even worse with same bhp of course.
I'm so behind on videos... I need to take a week to catch up on them all.
Trondheim sounds good. The red is very hot. Nice car. I like the nav system.
Hey Bjorn, can you get hands on Peugeot e 208 ? You are the best reviews guy here....
so if i drive around 40 km/day, i can charge once a week only ??????
It's depend on what kind a of driver you are, if you're driving in city streets you can do week without charging
planning to buy one of these! the original fiat panda from the '80s had fabbric on the dashboard
We have to wait more improvements for Zoe. But so far so good.
Why need a gear shifter??? Why not every use use like Merc & Tesla style liver. I had it in my 2009 ML. What a waste of space, you can easily use this space for storage or cup holders.
Agreed!
I wonder is it in part not to scare away people who are sceptical of ev' s. Make it look and feel like an ice car that they are use to and it doesn't feel as big a change
@@ultansadventures It is also more convenient to switch between forward/reverse quickly, when manoeuvring in confined spaces.
Great review many thanks
I think Renault says the heating should work while charging. Compared to the R90 (41kWh) where you had to use the pre-heat function that sucks bigtime because fan went full speed and stops after 10 minutes... So please check with Renault and please test this again! :) I use Eco mode a lot in my R90 because itgoes 95km/h but in downhills it does not regen and increase the speed instead if you have the speed limiter set to like 110.. thats a cool feature to save range. It also slows down a bit in hills too....
The problem with ECO mode is that it reduces the heating inside... It is one thing to save energy on driving, but freezing when driving does not work for me... I wish that Renault would have separated those two functions.
12:22 Polestar 2 left the chat lol
HI Bjørn, can you bring a diffuse light for your reviews to shine into the trunk. That would give a better impression of the trunk shape.
Love your reviews!
No adaptive cruise control? Should really be standard these days especially for the premium you pay for these new EVs.
You can adjust the Temp. while charching with the app
The map is snappier than on the EQC
Since I watch this channel every time I see Greta Thunberg squinting her eye I hear "shieeeeeet" :D
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i dont listen to a kid, who has no clue about life. Same as Trump did. Why take her serious ? be a man !
@@niandralade A kid who speaks in a second language and speaks on global scale. She refers to the scientific evidence we have about climate change. Where did she hurt you? Trump has less brains than a toddler. If you don't take her serious than just listen to the scientists themselves. If you can't look past here it's you're own ignorance.
Great video, very informative. How tall are you and did you find the driving position spacious? I am 190cm tall so this is important to me.
Please show the glove box next time. 😃
The soc can not cope with fast swipes mate, not enough ram for it( for the screen)
How about a head-to-head between e-208 and Zoe? Similar price Point cars
2:39 Model 3 😍
Model 3s are everywhere in Norway
You call that slow? *cries in combustion engine
11.5sec 0-100kmh so not that fast at all! But for city is ok...
@@DG-uv3zw Slow toward the top but still quicker than many ICE cars at traffic lights. I drive a Renault Zoe 40kWh which is supposedly 12-13 seconds 0-100km/h but if I see an eager Audi A3, Skoda Octavia or similar at a traffic light, I can still get ahead if we launch at the same time.
*Cries in old agricultural diesel engine
When will the charging video be uploaded? Thanks.
You have to check glovebox too. How big is the glovebox, is it air conditioned, any dvd/cd player.
1000 km challenge... backwards :D
They need to start addressing the cpu power of the ui. The laggy stuff from the last 30byears is not acceptable anymore (well... never was)
I'm 5ft 3" (163 cm) the lack of height adjustment on the seats is a big negative for me (and cup holders and glove box in current Zoe) and I have to have 2 cushions to get me to the right level. I still on my second Zoe as it's otherwise suits me well. Looking forward to the call to come and look at the new one. That being said on most cars I need the full seat adjustment. Borrowed an A class Merc last year and when the seat was right for driving I banged my head every time trying to get in and out.
The A Class actually has a mode (if you have the right options, of course) where it will automatically move the seat when you turn the car off to make it easier to get out.
@@Xenon0000000000001 Yeah, it was a hire car. Got the usual briefing.
You must be joking £30,000 pounds for this small car and no CCS charging fitted as standard. You must pay £1,000 more for this charging feature. CCS charging is fitted standard on all other car manufacturers cars. Also the front seats can’t be adjusted on height and the head rest is all part of the front seats so you can’t take the head rests of at all. Renault are just capitalising on the mileage range to justify the very high £30,000 price tag for this small car, absolutely outrageous.
The material between the leather on the seats are recycled materials using old car's belts
The old Ampera has both SOC and GOM on the dash. It's really a very futuristic dash, considering it's a 2012 car
And the current Leaf does it too.
@@fintrollpgr and the old leaf too😁
then
Bjørn needs to look at the dashboards more when driving evs :)
Old Zoe has apparently not sold very well in Norway. Is this because the blue/red 3-phase connectors issue (TN vs IT 3-phase grid) ? Will the new Zoe work with both 3-phase grids in norway?
Battery leasing is an obsolete business model. Either buy or lease the whole car.
good, because both are proposed by Renault
come on whhhy ? no adaptive cruise control, ugle not needed middle tunnel. put it on front or at a switch. Even this is to long for the back seats, because they are not able to make at even with the ending point of the front seats and the middle tunnel. dont get it. are the ingeneers sleeping ? still bmw i3 is best at this.