It's called input overload. I was a LE dispatcher years ago and "lost" a call because there was 6-8 calls that came in with in a minute. The call that was lost was lower priority than the others. Humans can only track so many inputs at one time, some more than others, without assistance.
It is insane, the job of an ATC, particularly in such a busy airport. One minor mistake and hundreds can die. I know with 100% certainty that I couldn't do it with a case overload like that.
I know I don’t operate well under extreme stress at all. In nursing school, I was so stressed with one patient in ICU, I knew that wasn’t the place for me!
So true. It’s an extremely hard, stressful job to do on a good day. Most people can’t do it. They need to make damn sure these ATCs have everything they need to make their job easier. They shouldn’t have to go through so much hassle or waiting to get what they need to help them to protect life. They shouldn’t have to look around objects to see the runways or in other cases be overloaded with someone else’s work because a manager went home early or a coworker went on break with no one to stand in for him. There should be back ups for the back ups.
I could never do that job. You have to be one heck of a multitasker to be able to do it, and do well under pressure. I'm not good with either, definitely not a multitasker, and though I'm getting better under pressure, I'm not that good.
I was a tower controller at a busy airport and I was rarely sitting down. I had to see everything. It's definitely a stressful job. Keeping your flight strips in order is key.
It wasn't her fault. She was handling too many planes, and they should have had runways designated for takeoff or landing only at a time- possibly shifting based on which direction the wind is from, assuming it's not shifting too much to make that useless. And they shouldn't have had anywhere around the runways they couldn't see. There'd been a close call and they didn't fix anything. In my mind that combination of factors means it would be cruel to pin the blame on her.
The Vancouver Canucks hockey team ended up witnessing the accident as their charter flight had landed just before Flight 1493. When it happened, the captain powered up the engines to get away from the flames. The next day, the shaken up team lost their game against the Los Angeles Kings, 9-1.
While the air traffic controller may be at fault, I can't help but feel bad for her. People make mistakes, its inevitable, we all do. Any system that's designed in such a way that a single persons potentially minor error can cause dozens or hundreds to die is a bad system.
My son is looking into going to a 4 year for air traffic control. Its a career you can actually get into and great pay. He has an excellent memory, exceptional. Also he's very maticulous and orderly. He was born smart (i don't know where he gets it seriously😅) It must certainly take a particular type of person. I could never do it
I mean, although it was ultimately her mistake I cannot blame her. The system was set up for her completely to fail. Its sad how in the airline industry that vast improvements are made only after people die.
Sadly, that's actually how we as humans improve. You can try to account for everything but then something untested appears and we dont understand until tragedy happens.
@@Tradwife1941 Well, in this case it was known a couple things that could have prevented it, like the airport begging to have their ground radar fixed. Its so tragic. Especially when money is involved. It just saddens me that if just one thing had worked, like the ground radar, it could have all been avoided. And that woman has to live with that the rest of her life.
Some experts call it tombstone technology. India’s main airport actually had a better radar system but it was only after the Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision that it was finally installed.
Didn’t the movie Sully bring up this same point? Easy to armchair quarterback, even though investigations are crucial. Put under extreme duress is hard to reproduce
What a tragedy for both those who died & the ATC who worked with inadequate resources. Am glad the airport improved, but truly believe it is handling too many aircraft. They need another airport to lighten the load.
That's the way of the world, though. Seat belts weren't invented until people died. Car seats got better and more secure from the original baby hammocks from death. Water wasn't filtered until people died. Natural gas didn't have an odor until a school blew up in Texas. I believe it is part of being human and have a lot of respect for the people who seek to study the whys to improve things.
I actually feel bad for the ATC woman. That is a stressful job with enormous responsibility especially at a busy airport like LAX. She was likely overwhelmed with the amount of planes she was responsible for. That in addition to poor visibility from the tower and non functioning ground radar was a crash waiting to happen. They always say it's never just one thing that causes these crashes. Had the ground radar been working this probably would not have happened. I'm a boater and we face the same problem at night out on the water. You could be running at night in the ocean and not see another boat because the lights on the boat would just blend in with the lights on shore. Radar is a must for running a boat offshore at night if you plan to run more than 10-15 knots.
In 2019, it took me nearly 1.5 hr to get from the airport's rental car return to the airline'ss check-in desk, nearly missed my flight. That's how poorly LAX is designed.
For air traffic controller Robin Lee Wascher, the Feb. 1 disaster on Los Angeles International Airport Runway 24-Left--her runway--was “especially tragic” because her parents had died in an aviation accident nearly 14 years before, friends and co-workers said. Norman K. and Beverly Jean Wascher vanished June 19, 1977, while flying to Oxnard in their single-engine plane after attending another daughter’s college graduation in Eureka, Calif. The plane has never been found. The deaths cast a shadow over Robin Wascher’s long interest in flight and became a dominant feature of her life. Before she took the controller position in Los Angeles, Wascher had told a former supervisor that she wanted to return to California and resume the search for her parents.
I was a tower controller for years. I gave it up and now own a small trucking company. The stress was too much. I knew it was a matter of time before a mistake was made. We were told in school that if a doctor makes a mistake it could cost a life, a controller makes a mistake it could costs hundreds...
@@danielnelson9373 That’s rad man!! I took flying lessons when I was younger and have always been obsessed with aviation. Then for some reason I got hooked on the idea of trucking and I love it. It’s a pretty stressful job as well though. If we make a mistake, it could cost multiple lives. Keep the rubber side down, driver.
I hated using LAX when I lived there. I avoided it as much as I could. I always tried to use Ontario AP in San Bernardino county or John Wayne AP in Orange County. LAX has always been a living nightmare. It wasn't that ATC's fault!!!!
Of course there was a mishap ,, thats what happens when you put too much work on one controller .. The "System" failed the two planes AND it failed the Air Traffic Controller
I think that it's both the ATC, and visibility, because the smaller aircraft didn't have all of there lights on except for their NAV light mainly, so it's not just atc, and they should've known before hand. I have been into aviation since I was six, but I am 17 and I started to understand this stuff when I was between 10 and 12 years old and I have already flown without a license and that was fun!
It's just not right that she got the blame and lost her job. Most cases i wouldn't say this no matter what but this one is awful. She got a job at a crappy place that made it basically impossible to do the job the way she needs to do it
Poor lady she was set up for failure bless her heart hopefully she has excepted what happened and has moved on with her life and for the families of the passengers my heart goes out to them
@@lagosfury5142 Human mistake, yes. Not everyone is suitable for this job. It is not a set up, it is a wrong person on the job. I don't think she is a poor lady, she is simply not qualified for the job and whoever hire her is also to be blamed too.
combination of things, and they (she/he, ATC in general) should NEVER have had a workload like this, coupled w/ lack of tower height, lack of visibility... then 'seemingly' small things like plane beacons being off, etc... its ALWAYS a culmination of things... these are peoples lives for god's sake..in the planes, the tower, etc... why can't people aid in helping airports, etc. do way more.. especially philanthropists or 'philanthropists' ..probably not enough 'PR' for them... I've known of this incident for a long time and it's absurd how much more could and should be done, they shouldn't underpayment commuter airline pilots, overload controllers, etc... ...literally, they have to be PERFECT 100% of the time.. a contrler could have had a sneezing fit and it could have killed hundreds.. RIDICULOUS.. ...and the system now is still overloaded and w/ blind spots.. ...which tower had an awning that prevented them from seeing up high enough..? anyone remember..?
The report sums it up quite clearly. Nearly all accidents occur from human error, and accidents like this one rests on the shoulders of both pilots and co pilots, the ATC, those responsible for the lack of radar upgrade and maint, and the procedures of the smaller aircraft to not turn on the proper lighting while on the runway. All of these errors had for many years occurred quite often, but often accidents were avoided by just 1 of those in the chain doing their part correctly. Unfortunately for those affected by this incident, everyone failed together to create the collision. Had just 1 of those in the chain did something different, it wouldn't have occurred. The lives lost aren't in vein, the flying public is safer today than it's ever been because of accidents like this and the lessons learned as a result. I've flown into and out of LAX on larger jets and sky west as well. Their hop from LAX to Palmdale was a rather nice trip to take avoiding LA traffic. There's a chance I'd flown on that sky west aircraft before.
They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around.
Air safety is much like labour laws; they're both written in blood. I feel bad for Wascher. She was the one in the seat when and institutional shortcoming made itself known in the most horrifying way.
They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around.
@@Vivuvuvj, the computer that has radar of the planes' positions at the airport was not working on the day of the crash. So, no, her equipment was not fine.
"Remarkably" there's too many planes and not enough controllers, expecting everything to go perfectly all the time is setting everyone up for failure. Its too big a job for too few people.
i feel like this entire accident was on LAX ... and they pit it off on the controller... if you have an accident like this its a sign that your equipment if far outdated if you can simply upgrade and stop it from happening again. what ever happened to preventative measures? the entire situation is planning for failure, one day.
Its so sad, that this seems to be the norm before major changes are adopted. I think we need to be more proactive and less reactive. When it comes to safety.
That's exactly what I came to the comments to say! This accident led to SO MANY positive changes & I'm glad they learned from their mistakes, but why don't people have the foresight, and/or listen to the people doing the job re problems, BEFORE something happens?! I was going to also use the word, "proactive". I tend to see accidents waiting to happen everywhere & I know not everyone is like that, & that people are under time pressures & don't want to spend money b/c money, but it just seems like people don't make changes until some tragedy occurs. I guess most of us do that in our own lives, but you'd think that in an organization (or business) in which the safety of so many people is in question, that someone would have thought to make some of those improvements before such a deadly accident happened.
No, I don't agree with you 100%. You don't know what leads to the accident until it happened. There could be 100 potential risks that could cause an accident but only a few could really cause an accident. If you proactively fix all risks, then the airfare will be so expensive that only the millionaires could flight. Even the most sophisticated spaceship could crash, you can't be proactive enough to avoid all accident. accident is simply unavoidable.
This documentary is making all kinds of excuses for her. They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around. She was a horrible controller.
Easiest way to avoid this is to NEVER place an aircraft on a runway without immediate clearance to takeoff. A plane sitting anywhere else isn’t dangerous
There is but one person who is totally responsible, and that persons name IS NOT Robyn. no His name is Ronald Wilson Reagan. Because Reagan hated Unions, the first chance he got he fired all the Air Traffic Controllers of the ATC Union. He made things worse for ATC & basically forced them to strike. Reagan was counting on them striking, because he can now claim in the name of safety all ATC Strikers will return to work. He used this to fire over 11000 workers. So by 1991 LAX and almost all Airports in the USA hadn't even began to recover from the incompetence & vengeful actions of Reagan. Simply because Reagan wanted to end ALL UNIONS (Not just the ATC Union) Reagan murdered those passengers on both aircraft involved in the collision. I do believe this is why, Reagan went from 12th out of 44 POTUS to something like 38th making him close to one of the 5 worse POTUS ever.
The solution to this problem is rather simple. When an aircraft pulls onto a runway they should sound an alarm that incoming aircraft can detect. Offering an option to land or go around. Just thought I'd offer an idea.
Gotta love capitalism. They'll use the minimum number of workers to save money, until that causes a MASSIVE AND EXPENSIVE accident that costs WAY MORE than the savings from understaffing controllers.
So capitalism is responsible for sir traffic controllers who are employed by the government which regulates the numbers of them? Uh huh, ok. My head would hurt stretching “logic” that far. Also to make that “logic” work then there shouldn’t be any air traffic controller related crashes in countries that aren’t capitalistic. You might want to watch some more videos (pay attention to the countries where the crashes happened) to see how wrong you are and how ridiculous that statement was. I hear Venezuela has a shortage of dogs right now……wonder why?
@@richardcranium3417 Ronald Reagan fired 11k air traffic controllers, banned them from working that job again for life, and disbanded their Air Traffic Controller Union in 1981. You don't think that was done for the sake of Capitalism and the Airlines profit?
And communism would help how? I had no idea only countries that embrace capitalism have had aviation accidents. You must be in college because this is the critical thinking that’s missing.
She resigned. She wasn't fired. She also never returned to being an ATC. I wouldn't either. I know how badly I feel b/c of my mistakes, even from YEARS ago, & my mistakes never got anyone killed. IDK if I could do ANYTHING again after a failure like that. Even with all the other problems they found, I'd never be able to trust myself again. I hope she's OK.
...its always a combination of things, and they (she/he, ATC in general) should NEVER have had a workload like this, coupled w/ lack of tower height, lack of visibility... then 'seemingly' small things like plane beacons being off, etc... its ALWAYS a culmination of things... these are peoples lives for god's sake..in the planes, the tower, etc... why can't people aid in helping airports, etc. do way more.. especially philanthropists or 'philanthropists' ..probably not enough 'PR' for them... I've known of this incident for a long time and it's absurd how much more could and should be done, they shouldn't underpayment commuter airline pilots, overload controllers, etc... ...literally, they have to be PERFECT 100% of the time.. a contrler could have had a sneezing fit and it could have killed hundreds.. RIDICULOUS.. ...and the system now is still overloaded and w/ blind spots.. ...which tower had an awning that prevented them from seeing up high enough..? anyone remember..,?
Misleading title......Erupt into flames/On board fire......It crashed and that's kind of what happens when planes crash???? You'd think it was an in-flight fire by the title.
This is why you automate the entire system. Computers are incapable of making mistakes. They do exactly as they are instructed. Any errors that happen is on the fault of the programmer or operator. I wonder how long it'll take for autonomous air flight to be a thing; from ground to air.
If the systems would have been working the ATC wouldn't have made her mistakes. I.E. The broken, outdated radar, the lights in her eyes and the delay in getting her the airplane flight program slip for her desk. All of these contributed to her error.
They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around.
better question is : how can we blame ALL of this on Boeing? since Boeing is evil corporate monster that undercuts everything to save a buck. they musta had a part in this somehow that is the key factor
Yes. They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around.
The reason was she forgot and nothing else. This was not just because something was on the runway. It was because they put another plane on the runway when a plane was landing. Yes, you are making money so no need to look at anything. Horrible as the entire system failed.
THIS is why I'm against any type of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION or QUOTAS in the airline industry! From the pilots, ATC's down to the maintenance crew.......ALL need to be the best man for the job! Companies moving minorities up or hiring them due to filling quotas and being diverse is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!
Reply to Sunken Slinky: Why does everything have to be seen in terms of sex? They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around. So incompetence was the overriding factor; she should have been fired long before that, but they were so short on personnel they kept her on despite knowing how dangerous she was.
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It's called input overload. I was a LE dispatcher years ago and "lost" a call because there was 6-8 calls that came in with in a minute. The call that was lost was lower priority than the others. Humans can only track so many inputs at one time, some more than others, without assistance.
And I thought working drive-through was chaos. At least the orders come up on screens.
'was'---operative word there....
It is insane, the job of an ATC, particularly in such a busy airport. One minor mistake and hundreds can die. I know with 100% certainty that I couldn't do it with a case overload like that.
I know I don’t operate well under extreme stress at all. In nursing school, I was so stressed with one patient in ICU, I knew that wasn’t the place for me!
So true. It’s an extremely hard, stressful job to do on a good day. Most people can’t do it. They need to make damn sure these ATCs have everything they need to make their job easier. They shouldn’t have to go through so much hassle or waiting to get what they need to help them to protect life. They shouldn’t have to look around objects to see the runways or in other cases be overloaded with someone else’s work because a manager went home early or a coworker went on break with no one to stand in for him. There should be back ups for the back ups.
I could never do that job. You have to be one heck of a multitasker to be able to do it, and do well under pressure. I'm not good with either, definitely not a multitasker, and though I'm getting better under pressure, I'm not that good.
The number of flights any one controller is handling is insane.
The airport needs to hire twice the number of controllers to distribute the load.
I was a tower controller at a busy airport and I was rarely sitting down. I had to see everything. It's definitely a stressful job. Keeping your flight strips in order is key.
This was before flight strips, in fact it's a key reason they're even used.
They didn't give her a strip for one of them, also they determined she likely couldn't even see the planes on her runway
I had a brief stint at SkyWest before Covid hit. They have not forgotten this crash.
It wasn't her fault. She was handling too many planes, and they should have had runways designated for takeoff or landing only at a time- possibly shifting based on which direction the wind is from, assuming it's not shifting too much to make that useless. And they shouldn't have had anywhere around the runways they couldn't see. There'd been a close call and they didn't fix anything. In my mind that combination of factors means it would be cruel to pin the blame on her.
The Vancouver Canucks hockey team ended up witnessing the accident as their charter flight had landed just before Flight 1493. When it happened, the captain powered up the engines to get away from the flames. The next day, the shaken up team lost their game against the Los Angeles Kings, 9-1.
That's a pretty rare thing to lose that badly in hockey, no?
Man...can't blame them for that. That would be a horrifying thing to see. :-(
While the air traffic controller may be at fault, I can't help but feel bad for her. People make mistakes, its inevitable, we all do. Any system that's designed in such a way that a single persons potentially minor error can cause dozens or hundreds to die is a bad system.
The real issue was systemic mismanagement of the airport.
Yeah, it wasn't her fault, though I doubt she ever forgave herself. It was caused by an inadequate system and insufficient investment in safety.
She was devastated for sure. She had a nearly impossible workload. Poor woman
I feel very bad for the air controller . I can’t imagine living with this mistake 🥺 we are humans 😢 I hope she found peace
You said it best, And took the words out of my mouth. Also wasnt this years ago?!
@@xoxounouloveme I think it was 1991
@@desmeisme don't listen well do you....
Poor ATC, it sucks but it’s a lot of planes to handle for one person.
THANK REAGAN.
@@ronniewall1481 Ronald Reagan?
@@debbiepeck5529 YES. HE BROKE THE AIRLINE STRIKES.
ALLOWED MANAGEMENT PUT PEOPLE IN DANGER.
@@ronniewall1481 you realize that management is the government right? They are government employees
@@richardcranium3417 JUST BECAUSE THEY CLAIM SO BUT IF YOURE NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
Why anyone would want to be an ATC is beyond me.
Awesome pay and pension, early retirement. Get to boss shiny jets around
Wouldn’t want to be an er/trauma personnel but some people thrive on the adrenaline
My son is looking into going to a 4 year for air traffic control. Its a career you can actually get into and great pay. He has an excellent memory, exceptional. Also he's very maticulous and orderly. He was born smart (i don't know where he gets it seriously😅)
It must certainly take a particular type of person. I could never do it
@@aerohk if you live by a major airport it is one of the few jobs that can give you 90,000+/yr with no and good benefits with no college degree
Because not everyone can work at McDonald’s like you
I love when they get these actors that are so damn similar to the real guy. They must be tickled seeing themselves on screen with hair lol.
I mean, although it was ultimately her mistake I cannot blame her. The system was set up for her completely to fail. Its sad how in the airline industry that vast improvements are made only after people die.
Sadly, that's actually how we as humans improve. You can try to account for everything but then something untested appears and we dont understand until tragedy happens.
@@Tradwife1941 Well, in this case it was known a couple things that could have prevented it, like the airport begging to have their ground radar fixed. Its so tragic. Especially when money is involved. It just saddens me that if just one thing had worked, like the ground radar, it could have all been avoided. And that woman has to live with that the rest of her life.
@@AccidentallyOnPurpose Yeah, you're right. Sad money is more important than lives. Poor lady.
Some experts call it tombstone technology. India’s main airport actually had a better radar system but it was only after the Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision that it was finally installed.
She simply forgot that plane was there. Her mistake.
Put ACT in a perfect storm of screwed and then be surprised when they screw up.
Didn’t the movie Sully bring up this same point? Easy to armchair quarterback, even though investigations are crucial. Put under extreme duress is hard to reproduce
What a tragedy for both those who died & the ATC who worked with inadequate resources. Am glad the airport improved, but truly believe it is handling too many aircraft. They need another airport to lighten the load.
If this accident hadn't happened the same ground radar system might still be in use. Somebody always has to die before improvements are made.
That's the way of the world, though. Seat belts weren't invented until people died. Car seats got better and more secure from the original baby hammocks from death. Water wasn't filtered until people died. Natural gas didn't have an odor until a school blew up in Texas. I believe it is part of being human and have a lot of respect for the people who seek to study the whys to improve things.
John Nance, a former pilot and an aviation expert, has referred to it as tombstone technology.
Every safety improvement is paid for with blood.
@@andreamarshall911 I was thinking too of the radium girls, the thalidomide babies, etc. Many advances in medicine for the same reasons.
I actually feel bad for the ATC woman. That is a stressful job with enormous responsibility especially at a busy airport like LAX. She was likely overwhelmed with the amount of planes she was responsible for. That in addition to poor visibility from the tower and non functioning ground radar was a crash waiting to happen. They always say it's never just one thing that causes these crashes. Had the ground radar been working this probably would not have happened. I'm a boater and we face the same problem at night out on the water. You could be running at night in the ocean and not see another boat because the lights on the boat would just blend in with the lights on shore. Radar is a must for running a boat offshore at night if you plan to run more than 10-15 knots.
My favorite channel on RUclips. Keep them videos coming. God bless America
In 2019, it took me nearly 1.5 hr to get from the airport's rental car return to the airline'ss check-in desk, nearly missed my flight. That's how poorly LAX is designed.
WOW!!! get out eh. Crazy to hear this still
I flew into LAX three days ago and it wasn't any better. It's definitely one of the worst airports in the world.
For air traffic controller Robin Lee Wascher, the Feb. 1 disaster on Los Angeles International Airport Runway 24-Left--her runway--was “especially tragic” because her parents had died in an aviation accident nearly 14 years before, friends and co-workers said.
Norman K. and Beverly Jean Wascher vanished June 19, 1977, while flying to Oxnard in their single-engine plane after attending another daughter’s college graduation in Eureka, Calif. The plane has never been found.
The deaths cast a shadow over Robin Wascher’s long interest in flight and became a dominant feature of her life. Before she took the controller position in Los Angeles, Wascher had told a former supervisor that she wanted to return to California and resume the search for her parents.
My mom is a survivor of this accident.
Fun Fact: Co-pilot Kelly plays the captain in this episode. :)
You couldn't pay me enough to be an ATC.
My dad did it. He only lasted a few months. He went back to being a pilot.
I was a tower controller for years. I gave it up and now own a small trucking company. The stress was too much. I knew it was a matter of time before a mistake was made. We were told in school that if a doctor makes a mistake it could cost a life, a controller makes a mistake it could costs hundreds...
you could pay me enough, but I don't think anyone would want to...
@@danielnelson9373 That’s rad man!! I took flying lessons when I was younger and have always been obsessed with aviation. Then for some reason I got hooked on the idea of trucking and I love it. It’s a pretty stressful job as well though. If we make a mistake, it could cost multiple lives. Keep the rubber side down, driver.
@@TheHairyGhost likewise!
Thanks for sharing😊
I hated using LAX when I lived there. I avoided it as much as I could. I always tried to use Ontario AP in San Bernardino county or John Wayne AP in Orange County. LAX has always been a living nightmare. It wasn't that ATC's fault!!!!
For me in my opinion I like to watch the mid part not the beginning to know why it happened and how we can prevent it from happening again
Of course there was a mishap ,, thats what happens when you put too much work on one controller ..
The "System" failed the two planes AND it failed the Air Traffic Controller
I think that it's both the ATC, and visibility, because the smaller aircraft didn't have all of there lights on except for their NAV light mainly, so it's not just atc, and they should've known before hand. I have been into aviation since I was six, but I am 17 and I started to understand this stuff when I was between 10 and 12 years old and I have already flown without a license and that was fun!
You sound like you're still 12.
@@DonnaBrooks no I’m a month from turning 17
You sound like my 9 year old presenting his research to his 3rd grade zoom class. Happy 17th birthday in advance, BTW!
@@dannyo9372 now that’s funny
@@dannyo9372 and thx
Thanks🌞
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Details schmetails
It's just not right that she got the blame and lost her job. Most cases i wouldn't say this no matter what but this one is awful. She got a job at a crappy place that made it basically impossible to do the job the way she needs to do it
Poor lady she was set up for failure bless her heart hopefully she has excepted what happened and has moved on with her life and for the families of the passengers my heart goes out to them
She wasnt set up...she simply forgot about the first plane on the runway
@@lagosfury5142 Human mistake, yes. Not everyone is suitable for this job. It is not a set up, it is a wrong person on the job. I don't think she is a poor lady, she is simply not qualified for the job and whoever hire her is also to be blamed too.
Why do you think that these two aircrafts were on the same runway? Do you think that the result of this crash was down to poor communication?
I think it was a combination of factors like all crashes.
ATC fail
combination of things, and they (she/he, ATC in general) should NEVER have had a workload like this, coupled w/ lack of tower height, lack of visibility... then 'seemingly' small things like plane beacons being off, etc...
its ALWAYS a culmination of things... these are peoples lives for god's sake..in the planes, the tower, etc... why can't people aid in helping airports, etc. do way more.. especially philanthropists or 'philanthropists' ..probably not enough 'PR' for them...
I've known of this incident for a long time and it's absurd how much more could and should be done, they shouldn't underpayment commuter airline pilots, overload controllers, etc...
...literally, they have to be PERFECT 100% of the time.. a contrler could have had a sneezing fit and it could have killed hundreds.. RIDICULOUS.. ...and the system now is still overloaded and w/ blind spots..
...which tower had an awning that prevented them from seeing up high enough..? anyone remember..?
The report sums it up quite clearly. Nearly all accidents occur from human error, and accidents like this one rests on the shoulders of both pilots and co pilots, the ATC, those responsible for the lack of radar upgrade and maint, and the procedures of the smaller aircraft to not turn on the proper lighting while on the runway. All of these errors had for many years occurred quite often, but often accidents were avoided by just 1 of those in the chain doing their part correctly. Unfortunately for those affected by this incident, everyone failed together to create the collision. Had just 1 of those in the chain did something different, it wouldn't have occurred. The lives lost aren't in vein, the flying public is safer today than it's ever been because of accidents like this and the lessons learned as a result.
I've flown into and out of LAX on larger jets and sky west as well. Their hop from LAX to Palmdale was a rather nice trip to take avoiding LA traffic. There's a chance I'd flown on that sky west aircraft before.
They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around.
So the ground radar at LAX, back then, was the equivalent of the ice cream machine at every McDonald's, ever.
Air safety is much like labour laws; they're both written in blood.
I feel bad for Wascher. She was the one in the seat when and institutional shortcoming made itself known in the most horrifying way.
The atc guy with the mustache and the bald guy who plays the part of the investigator are both kind of hot :)
Oh plz!
And they talking about having flying cars..
Thank you
The guilt that lady must have had
and still has...
Best channel.
I saw Bob Maclintosh many episodes later :)
I assume the little jet didn't have its tcas on either? That would have alerted them.
To few controllers means dangerous situations
2:17 Eastern Airlines Flight 111
NOPE
@@watchgoose yes. It happened when Eastern 727 landed but accidentally hit a King air prop plane
Was she charged?
you can usually tell who done !@#$%ed up by who doesn't get interviewed in the beginning
Awful tragedy for all!
That poor ATC. It’s not fair.
@Sunken Slinky she had way too much planes to worry about, poor lady. and it was dark, her equipment not working.
@@baseballboy4494 then quit tf? She killed 100s of people and her equipment was fine lmao
They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around.
@@Vivuvuvj, the computer that has radar of the planes' positions at the airport was not working on the day of the crash. So, no, her equipment was not fine.
"Remarkably" there's too many planes and not enough controllers, expecting everything to go perfectly all the time is setting everyone up for failure. Its too big a job for too few people.
Please stop this 2-part BS. Its very simple to keep it the full length.
@@DaveS-pq4jf Nah I agree with Alex as well, it's annoying. They probably do it to split the episodes into different playlists though.
So you don’t think you should have several different color lights on a damn runway
i feel like this entire accident was on LAX ... and they pit it off on the controller... if you have an accident like this its a sign that your equipment if far outdated if you can simply upgrade and stop it from happening again. what ever happened to preventative measures? the entire situation is planning for failure, one day.
It should never happen!!
Its so sad, that this seems to be the norm before major changes are adopted.
I think we need to be more proactive and less reactive. When it comes to safety.
That's exactly what I came to the comments to say! This accident led to SO MANY positive changes & I'm glad they learned from their mistakes, but why don't people have the foresight, and/or listen to the people doing the job re problems, BEFORE something happens?! I was going to also use the word, "proactive". I tend to see accidents waiting to happen everywhere & I know not everyone is like that, & that people are under time pressures & don't want to spend money b/c money, but it just seems like people don't make changes until some tragedy occurs. I guess most of us do that in our own lives, but you'd think that in an organization (or business) in which the safety of so many people is in question, that someone would have thought to make some of those improvements before such a deadly accident happened.
No, I don't agree with you 100%. You don't know what leads to the accident until it happened. There could be 100 potential risks that could cause an accident but only a few could really cause an accident. If you proactively fix all risks, then the airfare will be so expensive that only the millionaires could flight. Even the most sophisticated spaceship could crash, you can't be proactive enough to avoid all accident. accident is simply unavoidable.
This documentary is making all kinds of excuses for her. They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around. She was a horrible controller.
Why didn't the writers include that info? In other videos they dig up the pasts of pilots involved in crashes.
Easiest way to avoid this is to NEVER place an aircraft on a runway without immediate clearance to takeoff. A plane sitting anywhere else isn’t dangerous
If you knew the ATC system you would know your suggestion wouldn't help.
That would be impossible. If you knew at least a little about how the system functions, and just how many planes land and take off, its unrealistic.
@@Alb410 he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
@@Alb410 Then change the system. Because what moneyball said is still true. A runway should only have a plane ready to take off or land. Period.
@@AccidentallyOnPurpose This isn't a natural phenomenon. We created it. It's as realistic as we want it to be.
Well....holy shitballs batman, they try to fix it but it gets WORSE.....2007 with 21 incursions? WOW!!!!
She was at fault but not entirely. Many things are a contributing factor for the disaster 😭
There is but one person who is totally responsible, and that persons name IS NOT Robyn.
no
His name is
Ronald Wilson Reagan.
Because Reagan hated Unions, the first chance he got he fired all the Air Traffic Controllers of the ATC Union.
He made things worse for ATC & basically forced them to strike.
Reagan was counting on them striking, because he can now claim in the name of safety all ATC Strikers will return to work. He used this to fire over 11000 workers. So by 1991 LAX and almost all Airports in the USA hadn't even began to recover from the incompetence & vengeful actions of Reagan. Simply because Reagan wanted to end ALL UNIONS (Not just the ATC Union) Reagan murdered those passengers on both aircraft involved in the collision.
I do believe this is why, Reagan went from 12th out of 44 POTUS to something like 38th making him close to one of the 5 worse POTUS ever.
The human brain cannot think of two things at one time. That's a fact Jack.
14:00
"Air Flight"? Versus what, a ground flight?
My ears!
The solution to this problem is rather simple. When an aircraft pulls onto a runway they should sound an alarm that incoming aircraft can detect. Offering an option to land or go around. Just thought I'd offer an idea.
Gotta love capitalism. They'll use the minimum number of workers to save money, until that causes a MASSIVE AND EXPENSIVE accident that costs WAY MORE than the savings from understaffing controllers.
So capitalism is responsible for sir traffic controllers who are employed by the government which regulates the numbers of them? Uh huh, ok.
My head would hurt stretching “logic” that far.
Also to make that “logic” work then there shouldn’t be any air traffic controller related crashes in countries that aren’t capitalistic.
You might want to watch some more videos (pay attention to the countries where the crashes happened) to see how wrong you are and how ridiculous that statement was.
I hear Venezuela has a shortage of dogs right now……wonder why?
@@richardcranium3417 Ronald Reagan fired 11k air traffic controllers, banned them from working that job again for life, and disbanded their Air Traffic Controller Union in 1981.
You don't think that was done for the sake of Capitalism and the Airlines profit?
And communism would help how? I had no idea only countries that embrace capitalism have had aviation accidents. You must be in college because this is the critical thinking that’s missing.
@@dittohead7044 you lack critical thinking skills. Just because someone criticizes A doesn't mean they're saying B is better.
UM, NO.
1:17 wait a minute, runway 45W???? Is that the runway you take off from to get to hogwarts??
Haha
Generally I liked Reagan. But his reaction to Air Traffic Controllers going on strike over these very conditions was heartless, cruel and DANGEROUS!!!
Hi Honey, how was your day at work?
"I messed up, and a couple of planes collided and a bunch of people died. I think I'm fired."
"That's nice dear."
She was never fired though. She resigned.
She resigned. She wasn't fired. She also never returned to being an ATC. I wouldn't either. I know how badly I feel b/c of my mistakes, even from YEARS ago, & my mistakes never got anyone killed. IDK if I could do ANYTHING again after a failure like that. Even with all the other problems they found, I'd never be able to trust myself again. I hope she's OK.
...its always a combination of things, and they (she/he, ATC in general) should NEVER have had a workload like this, coupled w/ lack of tower height, lack of visibility... then 'seemingly' small things like plane beacons being off, etc...
its ALWAYS a culmination of things... these are peoples lives for god's sake..in the planes, the tower, etc... why can't people aid in helping airports, etc. do way more.. especially philanthropists or 'philanthropists' ..probably not enough 'PR' for them...
I've known of this incident for a long time and it's absurd how much more could and should be done, they shouldn't underpayment commuter airline pilots, overload controllers, etc...
...literally, they have to be PERFECT 100% of the time.. a contrler could have had a sneezing fit and it could have killed hundreds.. RIDICULOUS.. ...and the system now is still overloaded and w/ blind spots..
...which tower had an awning that prevented them from seeing up high enough..? anyone remember..,?
stop 🛑 that come out the ground
It’s not that hard
Yay mes video
Misleading title......Erupt into flames/On board fire......It crashed and that's kind of what happens when planes crash???? You'd think it was an in-flight fire by the title.
Totally on purpose, so the second plane being on the runway comes as a surprise halfway through the first part.
Why aren't there more female air traffic controllers?
New^
Air traffic controllers are not in the tower. Ground control is in the tower.
This is why you automate the entire system. Computers are incapable of making mistakes. They do exactly as they are instructed. Any errors that happen is on the fault of the programmer or operator.
I wonder how long it'll take for autonomous air flight to be a thing; from ground to air.
If the systems would have been working the ATC wouldn't have made her mistakes. I.E. The broken, outdated radar, the lights in her eyes and the delay in getting her the airplane flight program slip for her desk. All of these contributed to her error.
They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around.
How much of this, if any, is the result of the ATC union being ended by Reagan
NATCA is a union for air traffic controllers employed by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
better question is : how can we blame ALL of this on Boeing? since Boeing is evil corporate monster that undercuts everything to save a buck. they musta had a part in this somehow that is the key factor
Reaching hard huh?
@@richardcranium3417 according to the keyboard crash experts; every crash is Boeing's fault. Ask the conspiracy nutjobs for clarification
If the ATC union getting killed by Reagan was a factor than I'm sure it would've been mentioned
Incompetence.
Yes. They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around.
Please stop chopping up the videos. Everything else about the videos is fine.
The reason was she forgot and nothing else. This was not just because something was on the runway. It was because they put another plane on the runway when a plane was landing. Yes, you are making money so no need to look at anything. Horrible as the entire system failed.
THIS is why I'm against any type of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION or QUOTAS in the airline industry! From the pilots, ATC's down to the maintenance crew.......ALL need to be the best man for the job! Companies moving minorities up or hiring them due to filling quotas and being diverse is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!
i thought the thumbnail was a Bill Cosby release photo
Uh
Reply to Sunken Slinky: Why does everything have to be seen in terms of sex? They failed to mention that she has gotten into trouble for making this very mistake a few times before. Luckily it was during the daytime and the pilots did a go around. So incompetence was the overriding factor; she should have been fired long before that, but they were so short on personnel they kept her on despite knowing how dangerous she was.
Huh
poor communication on your channel...so long thumbs down....unsubscribed
Thank god we have such fine women managing our air traffic
Why didn’t they just use Ontario or John Wayne
Was she a diversity hire?
Watch this, then read the FAA directive proclaiming diversity hiring, which includes decreasing the meritorious requirements.