And still, to this day, planes do not have smoke hoods for passengers. If it costs $1 million to put smoke hoods in airplanes that people will never use for decades, that is still cheaper than what they’re going to pay when 50 more people die at $1 million apiece for 50 million at least. Isn’t it terrible that airlines calculate deaths into their cost benefit analysis?
That pilot and stewardess were the real saviors in Heroes. If that pilot had pushed ahead like other Pilots do that would have been a downed plane with no survivors. And the steward is going back into the plane twice when she could have just jumped out the door that takes dedication and love of your passengers. You can see that the pilot now suffers from a form of Parkinson's I hope he has a healthy retirement as much as he can get and realizes if he had not stopped that whole plane would have been doomed.
That checklist was ridiculous and hopefully updated. If there is no danger sure, but in these circumstances evacuation should be done as soon as the engines are shutdown
We’re trained to go back in looking for passengers and to yell “is there anybody there? Call if you hear me!” We’re not glorified servers, we’re there to ensure the safety to each passenger.
The evac checklist should should say. 1) is plane on fire...(YES)- pull fire suppression for all engines and then focus on passenger safety. If NO... then do the 10 pages of things.
All planes should have cameras on the the wings tail and engines. Pilots have no easy way to see these. If they could see these relatively easily, they could quickly diagnose problems.
@davidlloyd7597 It could mess with aerodynamics, the camera's could freeze, get soaked etcetera depending on where the plane is flying. It would also mean more wires and more weight on a plane. Lastly, if it's at all possible to install cameras, the cost is an enormous factor (read deterrent) for airlines.
Engine Fires are integral to how jet engines work. A jet engine IS a carefully controlled fuel fed fire. Most engine fires are an uncontrolled amount of fuel is being dumped into the engine and ejected out the back end.
@@Taydrum Well yes. But “Massive Engine Fire” is an odd thing. Jet Engines are designed for fire. And have a lot of things in place to reduce the damage of uncontrolled engine fire. The plane is generally shielded well from the fire, etc. But that of course depends on the cause of the engine fire. Something that causes great trauma to the engine, such as a large bird strike or a major component failure can often tear through the protection. Or lead to a situation where the perception of an engine fire masks the real problem. Such as this incident. Or this weeks new Air Crash investigations. Where a wheel well brake fire fed by hydraulic fluid, in the rear of the engine nacelle led everyone to think they had, and troubleshoot around an engine fire… up until the wing fell off. In this case the real problem wasn’t engine fire, it was massive burning fuel leak.
Yeah I stopped being a car person when I learned a motor is basically a tuned sequence of miniature explosions happening thousands of times a minute a few feet away from my vital organs. Lol
Combustican - such a robust part, one that wouldn't be expected to cause problems. Considering the complexity of the avionics, engines and airframe - it's a miracle the darned things fly at all! And it's hard to imagine a time when they didn't know burning plastic created lethal fumes.
The pilots performed perfectly. They kept the plane on the ground. If they would have attempted takeoff with that hole in the fuel tank everyone would have died.
@@Powerranger-le4up yes I forgot to write that but I’m sure that door would have saved more lives if not all as the people panicked and went to the only door opened, thanks for adding your comment
They did the best they could with what they had at the time. Certainly procedures and training could be updated but I agree that they had no reason to believe they were not doing the right thing. This is not like one of the several episodes I’ve seen with negligent or reckless pilots.
And why did He waste valuable minutes reading his shut down instruction manual that should have been memorized instead of opening the emergency cockpit exit? Maybe more may have survived. And then, not to replace the fuel directors as the Only option.
The Stewardess/ FIight Attendant who went back and rescued people is obviously a hero (the real definition of a hero = someone who risks their own life to save others).
Absolutely. She’s right there at the exit, the fireman are telling her to come down the slide and she goes back to rescue a little girl! Went literally back into the flaming death trap. A hero in every sense of the word!!!
@@ashleyreagan6488 yeah such a hero for abandoning 54 people... rescuing 1 or 2 people anyone can do that.... i mean they were probably right near the exit anyways,
there was still 54 people onboard when she got off... that's not just a few stragglers lost amoung the thick smoke, that's a whole room full of people. Idk if i'd call her abandonment "heroic" i mean im not saying that it would be easy to stay and try to rescue everyone but i mean 54 people.......
@@jackcough8155 she could have died and she went back in the smoke ALONE with no protection to help more. I think you are confused. Hero does not mean super human. Even the firefighters didnt go in!
@@BrianaCunningham Correction - would have died. People were incapacitated when the smoke was less, I can't imagine she would have been able to get to more people without collapsing, and she had no way to drag people out in such conditions. It was sheer luck she found who she did in the conditions, but that definitely doesn't diminish her act of going back into an impossible situation!
There was just so much that could not be known at the time - the pilot didn't know it was a fire, the crosswind was not something anyone could have predicted, though human behaviour should have been understood. Sad anyone had to lose their life that day. The stewardess is a hero for trying to get everyone out.
@@Vespyr_ Then maybe the captain really did make an extremely bad call to pull off the runway. Hearing that there was a crosswind that aided the fire - that was unpredictable - so much so that it took investigators quite a while to discover why the fire burned like it did. No way the captain could have understood that part in those few moments.
@@thexxit The crosswind wasn't his fault, fair enough on that point. But having to taxi down a runway after the stop was ridiculous. Lack of situational awareness of this sort is a big reason loss of a flight engineer or a third hand in the cockpit has never been properly addressed.
@@Vespyr_ To me, it looked like they didn't stop until after they'd gotten off the runway and onto the taxiway. That was probably standard practice so the crew and first responders could safely handle the emergency and evacuate the passengers while still allowing other planes to use the runway. Sort of like moving both cars onto the shoulder after an accident. If the pilots had understood how bad the fire was, they might have decided to stop on the runway. But they couldn't see the engines well from their seats, so the only information they had about the fire was the alarm in the cockpit and the controller's very subjective remark about "lots of flames." 13:05 suggests that the pilots had no idea how serious the situation was until they'd escaped from the plane.
Forget Captain America and Iron Man, that stewardess is the real deal. Based on the 150 other May Day series videos I’ve seen, I was shocked by the death toll in this one. Again and again, though, fire and smoke are just about the biggest killers in these crashes.
Those poor people, such an avoidable tragedy. It did however force the airline industry to make major changes to their evacuation procedures and policies.
Probably a good thing that the flight crew discussed emergency procedures beforehand. Reminds me of how my dad, a certified flight instructor, taught me how to drive. The way he drilled the emergency procedures into me then has been great for handling nasty situations without panicking until afterwards when it's all over. (No, I do NOT have a driver's Dash 1 in the glove box!!! But you get the point!!! XD )
The Pilots were by the book. The Plane worked as designed. It is sad so many died. They are missed, but helped save many more lives, even today. Martyred.
The pilot couldn't have known, but how awful he must have felt. All crew involved seemed incredible here and it's hard to even blame maintenance for the repairs that they did, they were simply doing the best with the information they had at the time. A rare episode where it really seems purely accidental with no real negligence. I wish they'd talk more about why the doors didn't open though? Unless I missed it, they didn't really have a good explanation. Just a tragedy all around. Imagine you've got a plane that's on fire and you're trying to calmly go through a 14 step checklist. Yikes. Pilots are amazing.
The slide seemed to have partly deployed prematurely and it jammed the door. When the attendant realised that, he pushed it back into its casing and he was then able to open the door.
It might not be as simple as selfishness. My youngest sister and I are 13 years apart, and when she was a toddler, I often accidentally bumped into her while walking around the house. Because I was so much taller and was looking where I was going instead of looking down, I simply didn't see her. Now, that was in perfectly calm situations. This was a life-threatening emergency. When your brain goes into fight-or-flight mode, your prefrontal cortex (which helps with regulating social behavior) shuts down and your reptile brain (which is responsible for keeping you alive) takes over. Given how short that boy was compared to the adults, some of them probably didn't even notice he was there. Those who did notice were likely so panicked that all they were thinking about was doing whatever it took to escape. If the circumstances had been less extreme and they'd been thinking clearly, I suspect they would've made different choices. We can say, "I'd never do something like that." Until we're in a similar situation, though, we can't know for sure. I'm not saying that what these people did was right. I *am* saying that I wouldn't be too quick to judge them harshly.
@Andrea Taylor right?! I had to stop because I couldn’t handle the utter disdain/disrespect from pax. The worst part is that nearly everyone I worked with were very well educated (one had a PhD), but chose the profession because it was their passion. Flight attendants are there for your safety; they just happen to serve you drinks in between.
I think the firefighters deserve a little respect too, they helped keep the fire at bay for a little while But she was definately a real hero in that situation
Engine fires are not always fatal. The pilots can put the fires out in the engine and fly to safety on one engine. This was just an unfortunate set of circumstances.
That captain was a quick thinker to abort take off. If he proceeded all passengers will perish. The flight attendant was an absolute hero, thinking of others first, very courageous ❤
If the Captain had not remained calm and told the first officer not to hammer the brakes when he did it probably would have been much worse than it was. What a brave flight attendant , she went back to help her passengers at risk to her own life , the young lady she got out last would probably have not made it out at all. Great job Joanna Toff , First officer Brian Love and Captain Peter Terrington.
34:00 personal protective equipment is the last line of defense. The first is to eliminate the hazard. The second is to isolate the hazard from people. Smoke hoods are not the answer. Eliminating the materials that lead to deadly fumes production is the answer. The fact that the few smoke hood that were available were not used confirms this.
41:02 Glad to hear Helen Muir's tests got some action. However, her initial work of widening the gap from 22 inches to 30 inches may have to be reviewed....people are getting wider.
If we could keep the lessons learned and safety improvements from these disasters, but bring back the people who died before we knew how dangerous whatever were the main cause(s) and main killer(s) of the disaster in question, than I’d say we’d reached our pinnacle of air disaster investigation....
I don't think any era is good far as flying. The 80s were terrible the 70s were terrible. The 90s were terrible highlighted by TWA flight 800 the 2000s the 2010s were also terrible.
I was surprised when I learned when some people died on the plane crash, well it's not really a crash it was a plane fire. From the looks of it, it look like everyone survived.
It's tragic. But "Shameful"? No. Everyone reacted pretty much exactly as they should, or were trained to at that point in time. And were acting on the information they had moment by moment. If you've never experienced it, I don't think you can quite comprehend the shear speed and intensity of this type of fire. And how quickly the smoke becomes toxic. The problem was this wasn't an "Engine Fire" which planes are designed to contain rather well. This was an AV Gas fire from a bowling ball sized hole in a fuel tank. For speed and intensity that is one of the worst things imaginable. Even with Air Crash firefighters responding as fast as humanly possible, there would still be a response time of a few minutes. Just to suit up, start up, and cover the distance to the plane. The failure of the one cabin door likely contributed a great deal to the death count as it likely doubled the time needed to evacuate the cabin. Time that they just did not have. This was pretty much a "worst case" event that uncovered a number of previously unsuspected weaknesses in aircraft design. Mainly regarding cabin materials. Generally fire events that saw this much fire impingement of the cabin were un-survivable for other reasons, mainly because the aircraft crashed. This event happened in a way nobody was expecting.
I agree the smoke hoods would slow people down too much. But nothing was said about changing the materials of the interior to be less.toxic or more fire retardant.
No one, in an emergency, is going to throw a hood over their head before scrambling. It feels like it limits your vision, and makes you feel more entombed. I think the use of smoke hoods is not a great idea. I think it won't improve the situation much. How about an emergency canned air bottle, like divers use? Non restricting, doesnt cover your whole head, making you feel more enclosed. Or BOTH.
If there's fire in the cabin the last thing you want is to add more oxygen. It's why those O2 masks are for decompression only and not for fire/smoke on airliners - they don't want the fire to get bigger. But yeah, I think people would get more frantic if asked to wear a hood like that and it would cause more problems than it would solve.
From what I understand the smoke hoods are mainly a British fixation, and mostly a holdover from the Royal Navy. The concept is fine providing you have a population of well trained users. Such as a ship full of highly trained sailors. Who practice with the hoods regularly. Using any sort of breathing gear is difficult and requires quite a bit of training and practice. SCBA training is one of the hardest elements of Firefighter training. Putting a full mask or hood over someone increases the panic. You can’t expect the normies to do it in an emergency.
What is so hard about portraying an aircraft cabin correctly. The entire aircraft was 6-across except the last 2 rows. Ridiculously wide aisle. It's not a big deal, but still maddening.
these comments make me sick. everyone is saying "oh its the pilots fault. oh the checklist is so bad why put souls last on the checklist?" people truly do not understand aviation. the reason why that souls are last is because if they just kept the engines rolling and not turn everything off that could lead to things getting worse. and one more time the procedures are actually made by americans and the rest of the world uses that procedure. so before blaming the pilots and there routine of checklist and not putting the souls first do some research smh
This is so typical. These videos always have dozens of people who an IQ of 90 and zero aviation training who think they know everything. None of them are pilots, firefighters, engineers, mechanics or enacting new safety rules at the federal level. They are all on their couch watching these thinking they personally hold all the so obvious answers. It's so annoying.
This was just like the "Station" night club fire, where everyone started pushing and some of the exits got blocked. If they had briefed the passengers that sat in the over wing exits on how to open the door and to throw the door outside (not keep it in the plane like they did) I believe everyone could have gotten out. Its things like this that scare me. Getting trampled in a fire has to be the worst way to go. The fire fighters said that most of the 55 that died were piled up at the over wing exit. the last person to escape the plane was a 14 year old boy, it was 5 min after the plane stopped.
This plane did not have exits over the wings. The video showed 2 exits at the very back (both blocked by fire and smoke) and 2 exits at the very front. And one of the front exits was faulty and did not open until many attempts which took more time.
@@kealilasok14 Are you kidding? This was a 737-200. I promise you it had 2 over wing exits on each side. Please look up the actual photos of this incident. you will clearly see them.
@kealilasok14 The door was faulty because somehow the slide had, at least partly, prematurely deployed and was jamming the door. The flight attendant finally realised that and stuffed it back after which he was able to open the door.
@@SMaamri78 Or do as I do and use ublock on computer and youtube vanced on the phone. Free, blocks sponsor segments, intros, and other youtube annoyances.
How does it take so long for everyone to escape on the slide? 1 or 2 people a second should be flying down that slide how 54 people died is it tragedy!
My two biggest takeaways 14 minutes into this are that lady didn't hesitate to abandon her seat and leave her man behind, and what horrible person that left that little girl behind?
Always trying to blame the little guy. For fk sake he's a pilot not a fire marshal. Who cares how he stopped the plane. He stopped it safely didn't he?
I know what you mean!!! But I believe it's because certain actions can be taken to prevent an even worse disaster . . . Like turning off the engines, because they could potentially suck a person in as people are scrambleing around outside the plane. Also, when fireman are trying to put the fires out and have to stand right infront of them . . . And Id imagine certain fluids, not just the fuel, are flammable and turning off certain operating systems could prolong the time before the plane explodes, etc. At least, I believe that's what the checklist is for 🤷🏼♀️ It's the only thing I can think of that could be worth those few extra seconds . . .
@@Reesicup pilots could go by their memory training and shut the engine off,left one likely already shut off, and either gotten out or helped get passengers off the plane. Wonder if they still have a 15 item check list??
@@robertjaent6087 People panic in emergencies, the airlines cannot trust pilots or other people to go by "memory" in this situation. There needs to be clear rules, clear instructions wrote down. Can you imagine a crash where there was no rule book and the official policy of the airline was to trust pilot's to use their memory to shut the plane down. Then one pilot makes mistakes and people die. You'd be back on here blaming the pilot saying they need a checklist so they don't forget anything.
Third 💙 These mayday disasters are just so sad and tragic 💔 My prayers are with every single person touched by these tragedies 🙏🏼🤍 Especially those experiencing them, or dying as a result 😢 makes me just want to pray for every single person touched by tragedy of any kind! Does anyone else ever feel like that? Just knowing there is SO much hurt and pain in the world you get overwhelmed praying for EVERYONE and it’s hard to wrap your mind around God caring for each person in the world’s circumstances individually, BUT I KNOW ITS POSSIBLE! 💗💗💗
We have to take these tragedies, study what we can learn from them, and put that into action. That way their lives will not be in vain, and more lives can be saved by preventing future accidents. That's how we can best use the gifts God has given us even in times of tragedy
15:44 when you (the media) keep telling people 1985 is the deadliest year in aviation history, I can imagine that in itself would make them nervous about flying
I have flown FAA Part 121, we are trained when a wing/engine is on fire to turn that part of the aircraft downwind, this pilot did just the opposite, vastly increasing the death toll.
It’s crazy to think this was 10 days after Japan Air 123 and 20 days after Delta Air 191. I never realized how close these aviation disasters are to each other…
In this world there are contrasts in behavior. Heroines like the flight attendant and then those who take advantage of tragedies such as looting. So thankful for good people!
One guy I actually know, John Beardmore, was one of the survivors and lives in Congeton, Cheshire. I worked with his son in the 90's at Datastor. He never talked about it. was interviewed for the incident not sure where, think it was another docu.
Possibly, but could have unintended consequences (like delaying exiting the plane as people fumble around with hoods and don’t see as well while wearing) - would need to test. Someone did a calculation that “speed bumps” on roads may do more harm than good because they repeatedly slow down ambulances on calls where a minute or 2 counts, despite being well intentioned.
Could the outcome have been different or was this an air disaster from the start?
It Definitely Was Air Disaster From The Very Beginning Prior To Plane Taking Off
Air disaster from the start because of the flammable materials
They should have opened all 4 doors on the plane.
@@themobseat Absolutely They Should’ve Have Done Just That
And still, to this day, planes do not have smoke hoods for passengers. If it costs $1 million to put smoke hoods in airplanes that people will never use for decades, that is still cheaper than what they’re going to pay when 50 more people die at $1 million apiece for 50 million at least. Isn’t it terrible that airlines calculate deaths into their cost benefit analysis?
Wow- the attendant was relentless going back in to save lives and found the small child sitting there- God bless her !
As soon as the passenger pops to give their account, I breathe a sigh of relief, I say, thank God. That means people, if not all, survived.
Why thank God???
Why not? 🤪
Thank the pilot
@@TheAgonistfan really??? If the pilot is the cause of lives being saved, then he is also the cause for all the people who died.
@@theothertroll because if you are gonna thank God for the survivors....then you also need to thank God for the dead.
That flight attendant is a certified ROCK STAR !!!!! God bless her.
Yes she was Big Time
Yes she was, she ought to get a medal!. But remember firefighters do this on a continual basis. God Bless ALL first responders!
GOD BLESS THAT WOMAN.
That pilot and stewardess were the real saviors in Heroes. If that pilot had pushed ahead like other Pilots do that would have been a downed plane with no survivors. And the steward is going back into the plane twice when she could have just jumped out the door that takes dedication and love of your passengers. You can see that the pilot now suffers from a form of Parkinson's I hope he has a healthy retirement as much as he can get and realizes if he had not stopped that whole plane would have been doomed.
AGREED (-:
That checklist was ridiculous and hopefully updated. If there is no danger sure, but in these circumstances evacuation should be done as soon as the engines are shutdown
We’re trained to go back in looking for passengers and to yell “is there anybody there? Call if you hear me!” We’re not glorified servers, we’re there to ensure the safety to each passenger.
Parkinsons or PTSD?
Idk that fire crew was on site pretty fast. I like those guys.
The evac checklist should should say. 1) is plane on fire...(YES)- pull fire suppression for all engines and then focus on passenger safety. If NO... then do the 10 pages of things.
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All planes should have cameras on the the wings tail and engines. Pilots have no easy way to see these. If they could see these relatively easily, they could quickly diagnose problems.
@davidlloyd7597
It could mess with aerodynamics, the camera's could freeze, get soaked etcetera depending on where the plane is flying. It would also mean more wires and more weight on a plane. Lastly, if it's at all possible to install cameras, the cost is an enormous factor (read deterrent) for airlines.
"Engine fires are not uncommon."
...might want have the engineers look into that.
Engine Fires are integral to how jet engines work. A jet engine IS a carefully controlled fuel fed fire. Most engine fires are an uncontrolled amount of fuel is being dumped into the engine and ejected out the back end.
@@andrewtaylor940 exactly as soon as you disrupt that process even slightly, a massive engine fire is the result
@@Taydrum Well yes. But “Massive Engine Fire” is an odd thing. Jet Engines are designed for fire. And have a lot of things in place to reduce the damage of uncontrolled engine fire. The plane is generally shielded well from the fire, etc. But that of course depends on the cause of the engine fire. Something that causes great trauma to the engine, such as a large bird strike or a major component failure can often tear through the protection. Or lead to a situation where the perception of an engine fire masks the real problem. Such as this incident. Or this weeks new Air Crash investigations. Where a wheel well brake fire fed by hydraulic fluid, in the rear of the engine nacelle led everyone to think they had, and troubleshoot around an engine fire… up until the wing fell off. In this case the real problem wasn’t engine fire, it was massive burning fuel leak.
Yeah I stopped being a car person when I learned a motor is basically a tuned sequence of miniature explosions happening thousands of times a minute a few feet away from my vital organs. Lol
Combustican - such a robust part, one that wouldn't be expected to cause problems.
Considering the complexity of the avionics, engines and airframe - it's a miracle the darned things fly at all!
And it's hard to imagine a time when they didn't know burning plastic created lethal fumes.
It’s easy blaming the pilots… they did there best…. Faulty engine and faulty exit door is to blame
The pilots performed perfectly. They kept the plane on the ground. If they would have attempted takeoff with that hole in the fuel tank everyone would have died.
And the passengers getting jammed.
@@Powerranger-le4up yes I forgot to write that but I’m sure that door would have saved more lives if not all as the people panicked and went to the only door opened, thanks for adding your comment
They did the best they could with what they had at the time. Certainly procedures and training could be updated but I agree that they had no reason to believe they were not doing the right thing. This is not like one of the several episodes I’ve seen with negligent or reckless pilots.
@@andrewtaylor940 Dont brake so hard, might damage the plane thats about to burn us all alive.
“We had a shutdown checklist but it was four pages long, and the last item was to get the passengers off.”
[Insert WTF emoji here.]
Wtf eh?
Byet wtf demitri?
WTF indeed
I second that WTF
Typical British. They are lucky they didn't stop for a cup of tea.
The poor Captain is literally shaking while telling the story, you can tell he has a form of PTSD and Survivors Guilt 😔😭😭🙏
he had parkinson's disease ☹
Parkinson's.
yeah parkinson's makes people shake.
And why did He waste valuable minutes reading his shut down instruction manual that should have been memorized instead of opening the emergency cockpit exit? Maybe more may have survived. And then, not to replace the fuel directors as the Only option.
He had survivors guilt for the rest of his life and questioned whether he could have done more, according to his family. Very sad.
The Stewardess/ FIight Attendant who went back and rescued people is obviously a hero (the real definition of a hero = someone who risks their own life to save others).
Oh, that poor pilot… I hope he’s getting the proper love and care he needs 💜
That Stewardess was a Hero !!
Absolutely. She’s right there at the exit, the fireman are telling her to come down the slide and she goes back to rescue a little girl! Went literally back into the flaming death trap. A hero in every sense of the word!!!
You got that right, risked her own life to rescue two more people!
Yes she is ! Very sad for those who died if that door wouldn’t have malfunctioned maybe all would be alive
@@ashleyreagan6488 yeah such a hero for abandoning 54 people... rescuing 1 or 2 people anyone can do that.... i mean they were probably right near the exit anyways,
@@ashleyreagan6488 The Flight Attendant is my Wife. Joanna is a true Hero!! in every "Sense" of the word.
One of Britain's deadliest air accidents. And the plane didn't even leave the ground.
That stewardess is the biggest legend omg. What a hero!!
there was still 54 people onboard when she got off... that's not just a few stragglers lost amoung the thick smoke, that's a whole room full of people. Idk if i'd call her abandonment "heroic" i mean im not saying that it would be easy to stay and try to rescue everyone but i mean 54 people.......
@@jackcough8155 she could have died and she went back in the smoke ALONE with no protection to help more. I think you are confused. Hero does not mean super human. Even the firefighters didnt go in!
@@jackcough8155 Appropriate name for you.
Boss chick. 😊👌
@@BrianaCunningham Correction - would have died. People were incapacitated when the smoke was less, I can't imagine she would have been able to get to more people without collapsing, and she had no way to drag people out in such conditions. It was sheer luck she found who she did in the conditions, but that definitely doesn't diminish her act of going back into an impossible situation!
The female flight attendant is a hero.
There was just so much that could not be known at the time - the pilot didn't know it was a fire, the crosswind was not something anyone could have predicted, though human behaviour should have been understood. Sad anyone had to lose their life that day. The stewardess is a hero for trying to get everyone out.
I heard the lines "there's a big fire" from the goddamn atc before they even fully stopped. The captain should be jailed.
@@Vespyr_ Then maybe the captain really did make an extremely bad call to pull off the runway. Hearing that there was a crosswind that aided the fire - that was unpredictable - so much so that it took investigators quite a while to discover why the fire burned like it did. No way the captain could have understood that part in those few moments.
@@thexxit The crosswind wasn't his fault, fair enough on that point. But having to taxi down a runway after the stop was ridiculous. Lack of situational awareness of this sort is a big reason loss of a flight engineer or a third hand in the cockpit has never been properly addressed.
@@Vespyr_ Yes, I see your point that after they stopped an immediate evacuation should have happened instead of taxiing to the side.
@@Vespyr_ To me, it looked like they didn't stop until after they'd gotten off the runway and onto the taxiway. That was probably standard practice so the crew and first responders could safely handle the emergency and evacuate the passengers while still allowing other planes to use the runway. Sort of like moving both cars onto the shoulder after an accident.
If the pilots had understood how bad the fire was, they might have decided to stop on the runway. But they couldn't see the engines well from their seats, so the only information they had about the fire was the alarm in the cockpit and the controller's very subjective remark about "lots of flames." 13:05 suggests that the pilots had no idea how serious the situation was until they'd escaped from the plane.
That stewardess is an amazing human being.
Forget Captain America and Iron Man, that stewardess is the real deal. Based on the 150 other May Day series videos I’ve seen, I was shocked by the death toll in this one. Again and again, though, fire and smoke are just about the biggest killers in these crashes.
She was so brave!
Those poor people, such an avoidable tragedy. It did however force the airline industry to make major changes to their evacuation procedures and policies.
Going into smoke and fire goes against all basic instincts. That stewardess that kept going back is a hero!
I can tell I've been binging these, because I'm beginning to recognize other disasters. JAL 123 was only 10 days prior?
Yep. That was just about the worst year ever for air travel, excepting 2001.
And I’m not sure if you’ve seen the Miami boat plane episode yet, but that happened just a couple of months later also.
ya both of them were in 1985
And the bombing of Air India 182 was almost a month prior to that. Bad year for aviation for sure
Delta 191 was 10 days before JAL 123 too…
Probably a good thing that the flight crew discussed emergency procedures beforehand. Reminds me of how my dad, a certified flight instructor, taught me how to drive. The way he drilled the emergency procedures into me then has been great for handling nasty situations without panicking until afterwards when it's all over. (No, I do NOT have a driver's Dash 1 in the glove box!!! But you get the point!!! XD )
Was your Father prior Military?
@@billmarshall5040 Yep, he’s retired Air Force. He retired while I was in college from the military.
That flight attendant is one outstanding human being.
One woman in the Hawaii one, she's checking on passengers where there's NO ROOF
Thank goodness the fire started on the ground at least.
Wait, who abandoned that little girl that the stewardess rescued? Lord have mercy - most parents would sooner die than leave her!
@thebirdee I think the stewardess should mention the dead bodies of her parents right beside her then. Very strange to leave that out.
I can tell you in one word. PANIC Bding a dreadful thing. PANIC can even get you killed.
@@mangohaeppchen3447
By that time she couldn’t see. The child, being lower down probably didn’t breathe as much smoke as her parents.
she could have been missing from her home town
Don't judge ..
The Pilots were by the book. The Plane worked as designed.
It is sad so many died. They are missed, but helped save many more lives, even today. Martyred.
I assumed the can would have been replaced. How can a door not function? They were SO many crashes back in the 1980s.
1985 was particularly bad year for air travel. This accident made the death toll for airplane accidents 712 people in just 21 days
1985 was a horrible year for aviation worldwide yes.
ya
and when air canada 797 happened i was so sad
23 died 23 survived
The pilot couldn't have known, but how awful he must have felt. All crew involved seemed incredible here and it's hard to even blame maintenance for the repairs that they did, they were simply doing the best with the information they had at the time. A rare episode where it really seems purely accidental with no real negligence. I wish they'd talk more about why the doors didn't open though? Unless I missed it, they didn't really have a good explanation. Just a tragedy all around.
Imagine you've got a plane that's on fire and you're trying to calmly go through a 14 step checklist. Yikes. Pilots are amazing.
The slide seemed to have partly deployed prematurely and it jammed the door. When the attendant realised that, he pushed it back into its casing and he was then able to open the door.
It's appalling that adults were so selfish they were crushing a helpless young boy🥺
It might not be as simple as selfishness. My youngest sister and I are 13 years apart, and when she was a toddler, I often accidentally bumped into her while walking around the house. Because I was so much taller and was looking where I was going instead of looking down, I simply didn't see her.
Now, that was in perfectly calm situations. This was a life-threatening emergency. When your brain goes into fight-or-flight mode, your prefrontal cortex (which helps with regulating social behavior) shuts down and your reptile brain (which is responsible for keeping you alive) takes over. Given how short that boy was compared to the adults, some of them probably didn't even notice he was there. Those who did notice were likely so panicked that all they were thinking about was doing whatever it took to escape. If the circumstances had been less extreme and they'd been thinking clearly, I suspect they would've made different choices.
We can say, "I'd never do something like that." Until we're in a similar situation, though, we can't know for sure.
I'm not saying that what these people did was right. I *am* saying that I wouldn't be too quick to judge them harshly.
The stewardess is the real hero!
@Andrea Taylor right?! I had to stop because I couldn’t handle the utter disdain/disrespect from pax. The worst part is that nearly everyone I worked with were very well educated (one had a PhD), but chose the profession because it was their passion. Flight attendants are there for your safety; they just happen to serve you drinks in between.
I think the firefighters deserve a little respect too, they helped keep the fire at bay for a little while
But she was definately a real hero in that situation
Jesus, what a terrible year for flying. I would never get on a plane if these were recent events
God bless the stewardess! I could watch videos like this all day. I love to see how the investigation figures out why the disasters happen
Top babe for sure. Sounds like she has a Kent accent, too.
That flight attendant was such a hero!
"Flying is the safest way to travel."
"Engine fires are not uncommon."
Those 2 statements do not go together.
Engine fires are not always fatal. The pilots can put the fires out in the engine and fly to safety on one engine. This was just an unfortunate set of circumstances.
Usually an engine fire on a multi-engine aircraft is a bad day but completely manageable.
That captain was a quick thinker to abort take off. If he proceeded all passengers will perish. The flight attendant was an absolute hero, thinking of others first, very courageous ❤
Absolutely NOTHING traumatic should take place at 6 AM. It's just insult to bloody injury.
If the Captain had not remained calm and told the first officer not to hammer the brakes when he did it probably would have been much worse than it was. What a brave flight attendant , she went back to help her passengers at risk to her own life , the young lady she got out last would probably have not made it out at all. Great job Joanna Toff , First officer Brian Love and Captain Peter Terrington.
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34:00 personal protective equipment is the last line of defense. The first is to eliminate the hazard. The second is to isolate the hazard from people.
Smoke hoods are not the answer. Eliminating the materials that lead to deadly fumes production is the answer. The fact that the few smoke hood that were available were not used confirms this.
The world awaits your innovations in materials and chemistry alike. Go forth and create!
41:02 Glad to hear Helen Muir's tests got some action. However, her initial work of widening the gap from 22 inches to 30 inches may have to be reviewed....people are getting wider.
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If we could keep the lessons learned and safety improvements from these disasters, but bring back the people who died before we knew how dangerous whatever were the main cause(s) and main killer(s) of the disaster in question, than I’d say we’d reached our pinnacle of air disaster investigation....
We would have also mastered time travel.
1985. The year that aviation enters state of worst crashes
Agreed. 70s was just as bad with Tenerife, Chicago, ….
@@rosemaryangela1825 a forest in France
@@rosemaryangela1825 1990s and 2000s are not better either
1972 was horrific as well.
I don't think any era is good far as flying. The 80s were terrible the 70s were terrible. The 90s were terrible highlighted by TWA flight 800 the 2000s the 2010s were also terrible.
I was very intrigued about this episode and the co pilot looks a bit like the actor who crashed the ferry into a concrete pier on another episode 😳
No, I checked, he wasn't that actor, and the actor who plays the co-pilot died in 2017 :(
@@EpicJoshua314 ohh thank you and may he rest in peace ❤ 🙏
He did play in The Day After Tomorrow, as one of the Irish meteorologists.
@@j.paulm.1575 i seen the movie but never knew he was in it 😔
@@EpicJoshua314 rip m8
You tell me. This is definitely a learning experience
The plane is on fire;
and the Pilot and Co Pilot have to do a 15 step evacuation check (?)
Those "cans" have cracks;
and you just weld them back (?)
Orange 🔥 is not what you want to see on an airplane 😯
So you're saying Trump shouldn't fly?. 😂😂
@@AviationNut Considering he probably doesn't have any license or thing to legally fly a plane, he shouldn't.
@@AviationNut nice one😩😂😂
WHY IS THE CHECKLIST SO LONG!? (I get the need for safety, but the length seems like a hazard of it's own)
Because an airplane is not like a car where you just turn a key and put it into gear. Lots more moving parts.
I was surprised when I learned when some people died on the plane crash, well it's not really a crash it was a plane fire. From the looks of it, it look like everyone survived.
55 people died.
ya
just so sad..
at least 82 survived
All four flight attendants were later awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal.
This is the 2nd highest civil award Britain can bestow.
What's the 1st, then? Should have gotten 1st. Imo.
That pilot was amazing he really is very precise and very by the book
Yes!
It's utterly shameful that anyone died on the runway. Not even crashing. On the runway. Shameful.
If one of those firemen handed their mask and air tank to the stewardess ,should would have continued to search for people in the smoke.
It's tragic. But "Shameful"? No. Everyone reacted pretty much exactly as they should, or were trained to at that point in time. And were acting on the information they had moment by moment. If you've never experienced it, I don't think you can quite comprehend the shear speed and intensity of this type of fire. And how quickly the smoke becomes toxic. The problem was this wasn't an "Engine Fire" which planes are designed to contain rather well. This was an AV Gas fire from a bowling ball sized hole in a fuel tank. For speed and intensity that is one of the worst things imaginable. Even with Air Crash firefighters responding as fast as humanly possible, there would still be a response time of a few minutes. Just to suit up, start up, and cover the distance to the plane. The failure of the one cabin door likely contributed a great deal to the death count as it likely doubled the time needed to evacuate the cabin. Time that they just did not have. This was pretty much a "worst case" event that uncovered a number of previously unsuspected weaknesses in aircraft design. Mainly regarding cabin materials. Generally fire events that saw this much fire impingement of the cabin were un-survivable for other reasons, mainly because the aircraft crashed. This event happened in a way nobody was expecting.
@@andrewtaylor940 We reached 1985 and people died while the plane was standing still.
not shameful- it's tragic, most people will die in a plane on fire.
@@andrewtaylor940 Excellent breakdown. Thank you
Great way to spend the next 45 min.! Thanks
I agree the smoke hoods would slow people down too much. But nothing was said about changing the materials of the interior to be less.toxic or more fire retardant.
No one, in an emergency, is going to throw a hood over their head before scrambling. It feels like it limits your vision, and makes you feel more entombed. I think the use of smoke hoods is not a great idea. I think it won't improve the situation much. How about an emergency canned air bottle, like divers use? Non restricting, doesnt cover your whole head, making you feel more enclosed. Or BOTH.
If there's fire in the cabin the last thing you want is to add more oxygen. It's why those O2 masks are for decompression only and not for fire/smoke on airliners - they don't want the fire to get bigger. But yeah, I think people would get more frantic if asked to wear a hood like that and it would cause more problems than it would solve.
@@Amoreyna this is why i dont work for any safety commissions or panels etc.
From what I understand the smoke hoods are mainly a British fixation, and mostly a holdover from the Royal
Navy. The concept is fine providing you have a population of well trained users. Such as a ship full of highly trained sailors. Who practice with the hoods regularly. Using any sort of breathing gear is difficult and requires quite a bit of training and practice. SCBA training is one of the hardest elements of Firefighter training. Putting a full mask or hood over someone increases the panic. You can’t expect the normies to do it in an emergency.
If I'm further from the door yes I would put the hood on. Those near the doors would not need it.
Even an N95 mask might help a bit? Like the one the fire guy was wearing. Easy on and off.
What is so hard about portraying an aircraft cabin correctly. The entire aircraft was 6-across except the last 2 rows. Ridiculously wide aisle. It's not a big deal, but still maddening.
these comments make me sick. everyone is saying "oh its the pilots fault. oh the checklist is so bad why put souls last on the checklist?" people truly do not understand aviation. the reason why that souls are last is because if they just kept the engines rolling and not turn everything off that could lead to things getting worse. and one more time the procedures are actually made by americans and the rest of the world uses that procedure. so before blaming the pilots and there routine of checklist and not putting the souls first do some research smh
This is so typical. These videos always have dozens of people who an IQ of 90 and zero aviation training who think they know everything. None of them are pilots, firefighters, engineers, mechanics or enacting new safety rules at the federal level. They are all on their couch watching these thinking they personally hold all the so obvious answers. It's so annoying.
Can airplanes have cameras or sensors that show pilots what's happening to the plane outside and inside?
That flight attendant is a hero 💯! She went back!!!!
That was smart. Offering money to the first ones off the plane to recreate the environment.
Whoever The Voice Narrator Is That Does Talk’s About These Video’s Give’s A Hellavue Good Description From Start To Finish I Luv Hearing His Voice
This was just like the "Station" night club fire, where everyone started pushing and some of the exits got blocked. If they had briefed the passengers that sat in the over wing exits on how to open the door and to throw the door outside (not keep it in the plane like they did) I believe everyone could have gotten out. Its things like this that scare me. Getting trampled in a fire has to be the worst way to go. The fire fighters said that most of the 55 that died were piled up at the over wing exit. the last person to escape the plane was a 14 year old boy, it was 5 min after the plane stopped.
This plane did not have exits over the wings. The video showed 2 exits at the very back (both blocked by fire and smoke) and 2 exits at the very front. And one of the front exits was faulty and did not open until many attempts which took more time.
@@kealilasok14 Are you kidding? This was a 737-200. I promise you it had 2 over wing exits on each side. Please look up the actual photos of this incident. you will clearly see them.
@kealilasok14
The door was faulty because somehow the slide had, at least partly, prematurely deployed and was jamming the door. The flight attendant finally realised that and stuffed it back after which he was able to open the door.
@scottcol23
They show four doors in this documentary.
Why is that we humans always overlook basic human behavior? In just about every single instance, it’s overlooked.
I mean I skipped them but SERIOUSLY.. 13 ads?
yep
You can do as I do and pay for ad free RUclips. I fought it for a long time. But now that I pay for no ads, I’ll never go back.
@@SMaamri78 Or do as I do and use ublock on computer and youtube vanced on the phone. Free, blocks sponsor segments, intros, and other youtube annoyances.
How does it take so long for everyone to escape on the slide? 1 or 2 people a second should be flying down that slide how 54 people died is it tragedy!
Excellent information and narration also excellent investigative techniques. Condolences to the families of the deceased and the loved ones...
Whoa...are we going to see a video about that India flight exploding over the ocean? I've never heard of that one
yeah look it up, they already did that one
My two biggest takeaways 14 minutes into this are that lady didn't hesitate to abandon her seat and leave her man behind, and what horrible person that left that little girl behind?
The girl's parents died in the seats next to her.
4:19 THAT CROWD GASP AN OVERUSED SOUND EFFECT
So we’re just not going to talk about that jammed door causing a delay and creating fear and panic contributing to those deaths?
@nicolegonzalezmarrero629
Sweetie, they did. Go back and watch it again.
Too many candles burned not enough lessons learned
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I would agree the Flight attendant did a great job under horrific circumstances.
They should have a few respirators on flights to allow the crew to help passengers off.
They do. The problem is the moments where you need them tend to come up in such a way that you don’t have time to get them.
Maybe they need to practice donning the smoke hoods available to them.
Always trying to blame the little guy. For fk sake he's a pilot not a fire marshal. Who cares how he stopped the plane. He stopped it safely didn't he?
Why did the video include a shot of a mechanic working on a piston engine while talking about adjusting the turbine engine's idle speeds?
B-Roll
20 years between recommendation and implementation? Efficient
Why on earth should the pilots go over a checklist when the planes on fire?! Sheesh!
I know what you mean!!! But I believe it's because certain actions can be taken to prevent an even worse disaster . . .
Like turning off the engines, because they could potentially suck a person in as people are scrambleing around outside the plane. Also, when fireman are trying to put the fires out and have to stand right infront of them . . . And Id imagine certain fluids, not just the fuel, are flammable and turning off certain operating systems could prolong the time before the plane explodes, etc.
At least, I believe that's what the checklist is for 🤷🏼♀️ It's the only thing I can think of that could be worth those few extra seconds . . .
@@Reesicup that makes sense!
Im sure there is a claus that if there is imminent danger you can abandon the checklist, or just do it anyways
@@Reesicup pilots could go by their memory training and shut the engine off,left one likely already shut off, and either gotten out or helped get passengers off the plane. Wonder if they still have a 15 item check list??
@@robertjaent6087 People panic in emergencies, the airlines cannot trust pilots or other people to go by "memory" in this situation. There needs to be clear rules, clear instructions wrote down. Can you imagine a crash where there was no rule book and the official policy of the airline was to trust pilot's to use their memory to shut the plane down. Then one pilot makes mistakes and people die. You'd be back on here blaming the pilot saying they need a checklist so they don't forget anything.
Now I'm no engineer, but I think having a 4 page emergency exit isn't optimal when you're under a fucking emergency
I always have a smoke hood in my carry on bag.
The passageway from the cabin to the galley was only 22.5 inches? Your average Walmart shopper is wider than that.
We were thinner in 1985
@ReligiousZombie
I see plenty of large women *and* men at the semi local Lidl.
Unfortunate that 55 passengers are dead. My condolences to the families. Very tragic this. Rather sad.
If that woman had listened to the crew and sat back down......she'd be dead!!!!
Third 💙 These mayday disasters are just so sad and tragic 💔 My prayers are with every single person touched by these tragedies 🙏🏼🤍 Especially those experiencing them, or dying as a result 😢 makes me just want to pray for every single person touched by tragedy of any kind! Does anyone else ever feel like that? Just knowing there is SO much hurt and pain in the world you get overwhelmed praying for EVERYONE and it’s hard to wrap your mind around God caring for each person in the world’s circumstances individually, BUT I KNOW ITS POSSIBLE! 💗💗💗
We have to take these tragedies, study what we can learn from them, and put that into action. That way their lives will not be in vain, and more lives can be saved by preventing future accidents. That's how we can best use the gifts God has given us even in times of tragedy
4:19 Easily one of the most overused sound effects in history🤣
I find it hilarious that people scramble for money in the same way they'd scramble for there fucking lives
15:44 when you (the media) keep telling people 1985 is the deadliest year in aviation history, I can imagine that in itself would make them nervous about flying
How many people you think grabbed there bags?
I would grab the bag with my husband's medicine in it,but that's it
I have flown FAA Part 121, we are trained when a wing/engine is on fire to turn that part of the aircraft downwind, this pilot did just the opposite, vastly increasing the death toll.
Why is evacuating passengers the very last priority in an evacuation checklist that makes no fucking sense
Maybe cameras on planes so when these things happen there is a record in the black boxes of what happened in the cabin?
This could have been far worse if it had happened even thirty seconds later.
You know it's going to end badly when you havs TWO crashes at once.
Stainless steel water system with stainless spray heads like on a gas turbine in a chemical plant what do you spray on the filters to keep them cooler
A fire evacuation is never that orderly as the certification implied.
Joanna is a Hero. She's braver than any man on board, Braver than the captain who bailed out without trying to help others.
It’s crazy to think this was 10 days after Japan Air 123 and 20 days after Delta Air 191. I never realized how close these aviation disasters are to each other…
Fire terrorizes me much more than crashing.
In this world there are contrasts in behavior. Heroines like the flight attendant and then those who take advantage of tragedies such as looting. So thankful for good people!
One guy I actually know, John Beardmore, was one of the survivors and lives in Congeton, Cheshire. I worked with his son in the 90's at Datastor. He never talked about it. was interviewed for the incident not sure where, think it was another docu.
Good thing that engine didn’t blow a minute later or there might have been zero survivors.
Why not have a smokehood under every seat the way you do a life jacket? Much more likely to prove useful!
Possibly, but could have unintended consequences (like delaying exiting the plane as people fumble around with hoods and don’t see as well while wearing) - would need to test. Someone did a calculation that “speed bumps” on roads may do more harm than good because they repeatedly slow down ambulances on calls where a minute or 2 counts, despite being well intentioned.