SHUTTING OUT NEWCOMERS COMPLETELY? Opinions on the Concorde Agreement Rumours
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2024
- Time to humour some rumours. I like doing these because often there's some absolute tat posted online by someone looking for clout that then gets some traction. This one, however, hasn't.
But I thought I'd look into it anyway because it's tying in to Andretti going for Formula 2, building a base at Silverstone, only for Formula One to potentially shut them out completely, all because they want to protect the money given to the teams.
So what's been rumoured then? Let's have a look.
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Hey Liberty Media, here's a plan - why don't we just have Red Bull in Formula 1. Get rid of all the other teams and have 52 races a year, all in the Middle East.
Don't give them ideas!
to be honest you need to replace Red Bull with Ferrari as Ferrari i think is the only team with the ability to veto any changes to the sport they dislike
and all of them street circuit races, FFS! becouse why not!
Don't forget the sprints. Everybody loves sprint races.
Just put 6 cars on the grid, Gran Turismo style. Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari. Also don’t have to worry about wet tires if you’re always in the Middle East. If it rains, just stop the race, easy!
Moving the goalpost? More like disassembling the goalpost
Or pissing on the goalpost.
So what you're saying is, IKEA is the mastermind behind all of this? Those Swedish bastards.
England v Scotland at Wembley 1978. Those were the days.
@@scsutton1or even West Germany vs England 1966 World cup final?
@@damarfadlan9251 it crossed the line. 😎
Stefano has launched the pettiest move of all time
Once a Ferrarista always a Ferrarista
Definitely seems a Ferrari focused action
Reminds me of what he said in Catalunya over one handed F-duct control back in 2010.
He basically pulled off a "nice gaming chair" joke.
Stefano Domenicali is a stain on this sport and he needs to be ousted ASAP, at this point he's running F1 like a global mafia taking us much money as possible and keeping it for themselves
It's no longer a sport, sports don't give trophies to people who didn't win them. And then, admitting it's a mistake, let the driver keep it.
It's not a sport, it's a Middle Eastern TV show.
They are really desperate to keep Andretti out.
Liberty doesn't want Andretti coming in and mucking up the top line. They are competitive and win races and championships in every class they race in. Currently, not 20 years ago like Williams. This is what Liberty and the team owners don't want, an outsider showing up thier circus act. For the record, I love and have loved F1 for 35 years and these clowns from Liberty just make me mad.
@@SaabJitsuLiberty much like EA still loves money since 2000s and never wanted Andretti to enter F1 forever.
Dude is a complete poser. Too broke to play.
The year is 2032: There's now 7 US races and Haas is STILL the sole "American" "F1" "Team"
And none of them at Watkins Glen.
Or Road America.
The sole American F1 team with a notoriously stingy owner.
@@benjaminallisonii724 Nope, but the parking lot at GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City will likely have one as will the streets of Oklahoma City.
Agreed, 12 teams and a maximum of 20 races would be perfect. Its a shame Liberty are so fixated on more races, it was something i was worried about when they first came in and were talking about making every race a superbowl.
Less races means that each race becomes more important and more of a spectacle (which would actually be closer to a superbowl than what they have now).
I wouldn't mind more races if they were actually at good tracks. But we have to deal with Monaco, Abu Dhabi, Miami, etc. Just DRS train after DRS train.
crazy that just a couple decades ago, we had 36 cars fighting for grid slots.
@ccramit I'm prepared to put up with Monaco for the sake for tradition (and because qualifying is usually good) but Miami and Las Vegas are just pathetic.
Monaco needs to be the first to go
Good point, I think Vegas was the blueprint for every race. They want to make it a ridiculous spectacle, rather than focusing on the race.
I don't know about anyone else, but Teams should have no say in this sort of thing whatsoever... if people have the funds and ability to enter and survive, then they should be allowed entry.
The "10 best teams" need to suck it up and enjoy competition instead of running from it...
Thats my view on f1, it's selectively inclusive for the right price...
Asking nerds and pen pushers to be competitive lol. Impossible
Agreed. Most, if not all, teams in F1 are making profits right now due to the budget cap, so this talk of reduced income is utter nonsense
Having teams like Minardi and Tyrell also have the benefit of giving young engineers a place to begin their careers.
Agree, it is pretty mich impossible to find a job in F1 rn, too mqny applicants. Having more teams would open much more opportunities for futire engineers
More teams more better. That’s the thing I think.
Grew up going to the race track with my dad when he raced sport bikes and the classes with more riders were always more entertaining to watch.
You know it’s bad when 70% fans are agreeing with the FIA of all people.
thats just bullshit FIA should tell F1 let new people in or we pull accreditation
You see that's the thing, that would contravene what's written in the Concorde Agreement. That would leave us with a bizarre scenario where the FIA itself could be taken to court over something like that - much as I feel that they should but we're talking about the land of the pricks.
That's rich. Clearly the FIA is also just in it for the revenue.
Accept the current F1 Teams signed on to an agreement that at any stage the grid could be increased to twelve teams, now they are ignoring that and closing shop. They've actually been receiving more money because of this, because there have been two empty slots and they don't want to give up that extra cash.
They can use it as a tease, the way the NFL didn't have a team in Los Angeles for over 20 years. They used the threat of moving an existing franchise to LA to extort new stadiums and tax breaks from cities that didn't want to see their teams move. In F1, the top teams can bully the lesser ones into doing their bidding by the threat of expanding to fill those two open slots on the grid, thus cutting the lower level team's cut of the money pie.
FOM is overstepping their bounds even thinking about this. The FIA sets the grid size, not the commercial rights holder.
they turned into medieval knight that don t want peasant in their tournament ... you need to show them you are willing to pay but are not dangerous for the standing ( credit car , cnc machine )but not open if you got a racing background ( indy ,rally)
It's ludicrous.
Surely this only works while F1 is in its boom period? As in, it's entirely reliant on the idea that if one of the ten 'franchise' teams go to the wall, there'll be someone else along to pick up the pieces. In the past teams have gone bust and nobody has wanted to buy them - Arrows, Prost, Super Aguri, all three of the new 2010 teams. Because if F1's value goes down and newcomers suddenly aren't interested in buying in any more, you can quickly end up with 14 or 16 cars in each race. If you let eleven, twelve, thirteen teams in before you lock the whole thing down, you can afford to lose a couple in a way you really can't otherwise.
And looks like Alpine is slowly going that way. Not because of cash strap, but because their management is completely thrown out.
In that case, Ron Dennis' idea of each team having three drivers on track will probably become a reality. But it would be such a dire situation to be in. I don't see how anyone could conceivably continue the venture in anything remotely resembling a sporting concern.
I’ve been watching f1 since I was a kid, some of my earliest memories were of Michael dominating the early 2000s. If this ends up happening then I will stop watching the sport all together, if f1 wants to give the middle finger to American fans like me then i’ll give them the finger back.
By all means, I'm pretty much there with you (as an Irishman however). They're sabotaging themselves for the sake of it and we're seeing the law of diminishing returns play out.
@@heliumtrophyactually i doubt the reduction in viewership has anything to do with Andrettis rejection and has more to do with the fact we’re in another Dominant era. The same thing happened during Ferrari and Mercedes dominating runs.
You know what? Let them gatekeep, let them hog everything and jack up the prices and outprice us the common fan because guess what? When you die, you can't take that money with you.
I wonder what's on IMSA and WEC?
Oh wait, it's actual good racing!
lol @@alaeriia01
Will be fun when some of the manufacturers get spooked and leave on the eve of a future season and Andretti's phone is blowing up.
at this point we just hope the bubble burst like in 2008 and this time it take the whole competition down.
If the concord locks it to 10, it will cost some fans no doubt.
That includes me tbh. I’ve never been less interested/entertained by F1. Been watching for 30 years.
@@Snufflegrunt i grow disinterested in any sport that has one person /team dominating for years.
@@BobbyGeneric145 Then you can't have been an F1 fan for any years at all!
@@Snufflegrunt about 5 years
@@BobbyGeneric145 We haven't had a real championship battle between teams since 2012. 2021 is debatable. I'm not sure this sport is for you.
Assuming this ends up coming true, it will have a massively negative impact in the U.S. most of the country is used to a large group of competitive cars that are free to join and leave each racing series as they please. This isn't what any legitimate fans want. I don't think I'd be that interested in watching the series further if they just want to continually gatekeep just so they don't have any outsider competition.
Drive to Survive is the worst thing that ever happened to this sport
@@StocktonCrushedd honestly I've never watched an episode, manufactured drama isn't really my thing, but based on how toxic formula 1 fandom has become I'd agree with that. Most of those fans are leaving in droves anyway due to the lack of exciting racing the past 2 years.
107% rule
Luca Badoer "someone called??!!!
12 teams minimal, bit more points then, less races.
Please, we need to bow to the King here - Tosser Rosset.
I think inflating the points even further would be controversial among all the fans. Points for the top 10 is the limit, any more than that and fans would start complaining and start calling the extra points as "participation trophies". Top 6 was perfect back when unreliability was a given among all teams but top 10 nowadays is good enough.
24 cars to me always sounded like just the right number. Not too many, but enough to make a good grid.
it went to voicemail as he was too slow in picking up the phone.
@@CyanRooperBut in todays F1 reliability is even higher (from 2021 7 occasion, overall 17), and if we would end up with more teams it can become necessary (at least top 12), especially to counter tactics like Haas did in Jeddah
I swear liberty media wants all none americans to hate this sport
In the end, it says more about Stefano and Toto than it does about Liberty Media and FOM, and just how willing they are to support and defend not only keeping Andretti out, but the ratification of this version of this agreement. Looking and feeling more like an oligarchy than anything else. With shares and seats passed down to family and organizational members, to keep others out, unless they are sold a and then stand to group scrutiny and vote.
Then, it will truly be a "closed shop"...
Toto and Stefano OUT.
Love how before you introduce the actual topic you address the much more important news that you have sunshine in the UK while recording😂
It's now hailing...
@@AidanMillward back to usual then
@@adenkyramud5005 sunny again now. 🤣
@@AidanMillwardtypical UK April weather then? Its the same further up north too.
@@AidanMillwardyou'd think that's a German custom more than a British one.
Personally, I don't care anymore. I have been a lifetime Formula One (not F1) fan, my first experience was at Silverstone for the 1950 British Grand Prix, but today's races leave me cold.
Wow...that's like a NASCAR fan saying they were there when they still raced on Daytona Beach.
Hi folks, American here with expertise on the American franchise model: The last team to fold in the major four leagues was the Cleveland Barons after the 1977-78 season, hilariously they were once an Oakland based team as well. Major League Soccer saw Chivas USA fold after 2014, but in a real gamer move, their franchise operator rights were actually sold off so the new Los Angeles FC team is *technically* a phoenix team.
Justice for the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers sadly
The Barons didn't fold technically. They were "merged" with the North Stars.
The Cleveland Barons folding history is a bit muddy as they 'meged' with the Minnesota North Stars (which also had it's own financial issues back then) after the end of the 1977-78 season with the North Stars taking the Baron's place in the Adams division. The San Jose Sharks could be considered as a spiritual successor to the Oakland/Bay Area/California (Golden) Seals-Cleveland Barons as the Gund brothers (former owners of the Barons and later minority owners of the North Stars post-merger) were given a 'breakaway' franchise since the league didn't allow them to move the North Stars to the Bay Area (which would be a lie anyway as the North Stars moved to Dallas in 1993)
I remember this chivas usa being dissolved but the rest had no idea
@@briannorman7415 And were spun-off again to form the San Jose Sharks.
I think the lesson learned here is: Oakland is a sporting black hole.
Fastest circus in the world... I'd also like to see how all the other team ownership can justify Red Bull being the only organisation with 2 teams, indefinitely boxing out competition and getting a competitive and financial advantage.
Williams and Haas were almost like the Driver Academy teams for Mercedes and Ferrari at one point back when George Russell and Mick Schumacher raced for Williams and Haas respectively similar to how Toro Rosso or Racing Balls or whatever the f--- they are called are like a Driver Academy team for young inexperienced rookies like Tsunoda and Ricciardo.
As an American sports fan, I love the idea of Promotion & Relegation.
And congrats on the soon to be 100k subs!
A more serious post now - I don't like the way F1 is headed and I loathe Ben Sulayem but I have to agree with him in this particular instance - more teams equals more chances for drivers to show their worth. As it stands, making F1 like American sports where everything is franchised just devalues the whole thing. It confirms everything that we already know F1 has become - a soulless cash grab which it might always have been but never this blatant. But I've been through all this before.
Before Stoddart bought out Minardi, they were noted for having the best coffee in the paddock - a vital win to have!
It does also mean: if a team like Williams goes bancrupt, than they can also race with 9 teams....
If the number of franchises are limited, then a team can sell and walk away with their debts covered. No bankruptcy needed.
Congrats on 100k! You deserve it.
Nice Coyotes jab there. As a big hockey fan I mentioned the news to my Utah-dwelling friend but couldn't resist adding "but it is the coyotes so don't get too excited".
I shall remain the weirdest form of Coyotes fan, which is already niche; I liked the modern logo!
There is a rumor that Salt Lake City will get an expansion draft of some sort, and we all know what that's done to the other most recent additions.
I started watching F1 in late 80s. For me lots cars was part of run. F1 as evolved in to something not fond of. Where fia wec has arrived in to something i like more. It is getting to point of jumping racing series
Sad Andretti isn't coming to F1
There's still hope. Any team must reach Andrea Moda level of incompetence which will force Stefano to kick them out
It was always going to be fruitless. Went about it the wrong way - bull in a china shop to be exact...and being a pawn in the political game between FIA and FOM/Liberty - it's not exactly going to inspire confidence that there was ever going to be a winner for the Andrettis.
They're probably doing him a favor, saving him money and embarrassment.
@@RRaquelloLike Andretti wouldn't be better than at least 2 teams currently on the grid in their first year.
@@benjaminbrockway5998 Call it American paranoia, but I don't think there is any way if he got into F1 the powers-that-be will let him be successful. Plus, if guys like Stewart & Prost, who are F1 royalty, couldn't succeed, I don't see how Andretti, as a rank outsider with all the other teams & the sanctioning body against him, can do any better. I have to agree with AJ Foyt after all these years: It's not our sport, we have our own racing, we don't belong there, we don't need it and we're not wanted. Our absence is no loss for either side.
It makes me think back to the bidding process as all the possible contenders where sympathetic to each other. Specifically the Rodin statement.
Congrats on 100k! Looking forward to the Roberto Moreno video
Here's an idea... If more teams join the grid, then why don't you, say, increase the prize pot to compensate? I mean, isn't that what the massive buy-in clause was meant to be for, to pay to the other teams to cover for the reduction in the prize pool? So why not just, make it permanent?
You get the team themselves to pay for it year one, discouraging those who aren't serious, and then with the extra money/value theoretically being brought into the sport, your costs are covered, no? And surely, the extra money needed isn't 'that' much more? It's not like everyone's entire budget is covered by the prize money, just sell race rights to another middle-eastern country for a decade and you're sorted. Capped at 12 teams and you've got nothing to worry about.
Sure, it might cut into profits for a few years, but it'll increase the value of the sport overall, and that's the goal isn't it, because the entire reason you own commercial rights to something like F1 is because you intend to sell it to someone else one day and get your massive profit then! I mean, there's plenty of trillionaires in the world who'd love to buy it (and then increase it's value again to sell to the quintillionaires that must exist surely, because business works like this apparently)
Cos the shareholders need their cut.
@@AidanMillward Ah yes, forgot about them. Got to pay for the bubbly at their meeting etc. 🤣
"You thought that was stagnation? This is stagnation!"
I get why they'd want to lock things up from the financial side of thing, you're looking at a fucking money mountain if a team owner just feels like not playing anymore as long as someone is interested in.
Right now, you have some interested parties, so that works... but when you don't...
On a related note, the last race I watched was Interlagos last year and that was only because I was generally curious on how it would go when 80% of the city of São Paulo was still out of power following a fucking cyclone.
I think they should have bigger worries than raising speculative value.
12 teams, but only 20 places on the grid, that should make Q1 interesting again
Sad in a way just greed, all ten are equally bad as each other.
The 97 Lola looked so good :(
shame it had the power and aero of a lawnmower
was it the only time F1 has a Pennzoil livery?
This is what you get when you let the lunatics run the asylum. There has been a rule in the F1 rulebook that states there are 26 spots on the F1 grid and I assume that rule still exists. The fact that teams don't like that rule doesn't mean the should be able to make up their own and then complain about new teams trying to get into the sport. It's ridiculous the teams got this much power over time.
To me this whole thing feels like when in football the teams would decide that 9 players per team is enough or the amount of teams in a league should be less and then FIFA just letting them make such changes instead of enforcing the rules as they are. I bet in the world of football everyone would go nuts if that happened.
The rule is a maximum grid size of 26. Doesn’t say anything about an entry list.
@@AidanMillward That's right but there's also the rule that every team has 2 cars, so the rulebook at least implies there's room for 13 teams.
@@AidanMillwardhey side not have you done a video on the 1999 race start cheating. Is it true the FIA changed the start for one race to catch the cheats
@@InekoBK Room for, true. But there's no rule that adding a team has to be easy.
Aintnoway Andretti adds less value than Sauber, Williams, or Alpine
If they lock it down to 10 teams, Andretti deserves one of their spots
Williams hasn't been relevant in a long time, Sauber always was a small team save for the few years they were the factory BMW team, and Alpine (formerly known as Renault) ain't been a big team since Fernando Alonso's pair of championships.
This is all happening because everyone is paying to watch Formula 1 and Netflix.
Furthermore, if we all protested by keeping the stands empty like the Premier League fans did then Formula 1 would do a massive u-turn.
Use the gambling portals to live stream F1 and Motogp as Liberty deserves this response, don't they.
they won't though. Ticket sales will only hurt the GP host. Current F1 is basically a huge money laundry scheme for big companies and they' ll protect it despite all the fuss from fans.
I wonder if a ‘closed shop’ franchise like this would breach any eu-anti competition laws? ( ok prob not)
It does
I mean, if Andretti wants to go down that route, he'd be perfectly entitled to do so.
Interesting point. But investigating it would take 5 years to get a court date.
It would be interesting to see the actual Concord agreement itself. And the language that It uses So what's up?The whole thing from falling like a house of cards the concord agreement
That funny laugh threw me off about Walsall reaching the Prem, if Brighton, Bournemouth & Brentford can do it Aidan, anyone can. This video reminded that, weirdly, Toyota F1 were based in Germany. Guess where? 😏
The number one rule of free market competition, kick the ladder after you climate and stop competition.
Not letting Andretti in is a bigger embarrassment for F1 than the Miami GP, Meanwhile IndyCar will happily open its arms to Prema.
Indy is a spec series, Prema is running those types of programs.
99.9K WERE ALMOST THERE LADS ROBERTO STORY WILL TOLD (I'm probably over reacting but congrats adian you deserve this man)
Thanks for stabbing me in the heart with the Coyotes comment... You're not wrong..
The thing you said about that thing is the right thing as far as things go!
When’s the next time warp bus to the timeline where Audi and Andretti are just easily accepted into F1 and the cost for getting on the grid isn’t absurd?
Audi bought Sauber, so they're already a franchisee. The issues with Audi are all on the corporate side. Andretti, on the other hand, just got "stuck between seats".
Making a my team car look like it fits on the grid. Good luck with that. Unless you've got mods.
I think that was the joke
12 teams 18 races would be great
I’ve given up hope on F1 sometime in the past year or so. So many good ideas to never be used due to pride, ego, money, pr, “pinnacle of Motorsport”, road relevancy, fans, casuals, pay tv, FIA, FOM, money, “driving technology”, social media, sport vs entertainment, integrity vs viewership, tracks, hypocrisy, money and so so so many other reasons. At this point I’m just watching the bow take on water and the stern point sky high. Until the 50:50 electrification or fully electric comes and the ship breaks in two.
F1 is one of the ultimate rich boys clubs .
One thing to remember about the money the teams win vs the cost cap, the driver salaries are not part of the budget cap. So any extra money that Red Bull or Ferrari makes goes towards driver salaries but also to either team owners or share holders. This is why Ferrari has been able to offer Hamilton the big bucks to join them next year, and why Verstappens salary pretty much goes up every year.
I don't think it is right that they are blocking entries, but it's not really a case of "you win more money than the budget cap, you have extra money you don't need".
Simple facts are these. The current agreement allows for two more teams so as Karun Chandhok rightly said, the current prize pot is supposed to be distributed between 12 teams, so the 10 current teams are actually getting more than they should. Now if the current teams are indeed the ones manipulating FOM/Liberty to turn teams down, there are two options here. You either tell the teams to go fuck themselves and enforce the concorde agreement word for word, or you raise the prize pot to appease them.
At the end of the day though, if the teams like Haas, Williams & Sauber (well prior to the Audi takeover) want more money, they have to improve their performance. If it is true that Gene Haas is not giving the F1 team the resources it needs, that is on him, not on any new team. He will still get a tiny share of the pot that he then refuses to use to improve the team. Williams/Dorilton obviously have no idea how to use the finances they have after the whole one chassis short debacle.
And this would just recreate the 80s when Group C ended up bigger than F1. Except back then the FIA knee capped Group C because no way they could be a bigger deal than F1.But now? Doubt it. Also the legality under EU law would be interesting.
Let F2 negotiate their own tv rights so we can just watch that lol.
All 10 teams make themselves look bad when concord agreement talks are afoot.
More cars is just better.
"The English Office over the American Office" Is definitely my new favourite Millwardism
Loved the dig at the coyotes 😂
Change to three car teams. Note that the Red Bull junior team would have to be bought out by another person or consortium. 30 drivers going for 26 slots would be nice, but liberty wants three or four teams with eight drivers going for three slots while making the cars into another E racing series. What bunch of bullshit!
12 teams, 20 races sounds brilliant... please drop Monaco.
and VagueAss
The sport feels a lot different. It's like they've lost the right direction a bit and are making panicky decisions to steer. And its not working
Maybe, just thinking aloud mind you, pre quali can return? If they changed to ‘only twenty cars can enter the race’, they could allow more teams to compete. I’m against excluding newcomers. It’s a sport, anyone who thinks they can do it should get a chance. But pre quali could be the test. Or the 107 rule, I dunno. Money should never be a factor, it’s a sport. Glory, realistic expectations, loyalty, sure. A Hawaiian bobsleigh team, why not? You can always try. If you qualify first.
Prizemoney as a motivator makes me gag. If that’s it, you’re not a sportsman.
Seems they're hell bent on destroying all the sucess and momentum built on the 21 season. Thats a shame, but there's pleanty of other good series to watch if they screw this. Remember fellas, you vote with your views!
Back in the day I thought everybody has the posibility to run an F1 team, only some things stand in the way: money (for creating the team), pre-qualifying, 107% rule, only top 10 in the championship get prize money
1st. live race in 1964 been to over 100 since. its total $ hi $ now. $ 3.00 for the whole weekend incl. camping at the ring. on S.S. now more than a months income for a procession. I'm a artist who has been painting F1 cars since the 60s I've stopped. rules that dock real racing, driver aids, sewing machine motors, NAH. now monopoly on who can play \ pay. utter mess.
I think it's pretty funny that the opening rumor was that the new concorde agreement was about money. Yea, no kidding.
Anyway, I've gotten to the point that there are SO MANY RACES that it's not a big deal to miss a few. So more teams/less races is exactly what I want, too.
What a nice thing, like the thing and not the thing talked about in the thing, that thing who that thing in the thing talked about sounded not good. But the thing did a good Job making this thing
F1: We want to be a popular worldwide series for every country.
Any single outsider: "cool, I'd like to join, I've met all the qualifications"
F1: no, we meant worldwide as fans. No new members can join, we hate anyone outside the club and anyone not in a small selection of european countries. Go away, not wanted unless you're buying tickets only
Nothing without new blood is any good. They want to stay mired in the past when we need new teams and above all new people and as many as possible of both! F1 is thankfully killing itself and I for one will not mourn its passing.
6:08 The Arizona Coyotes are already a proper NHL team. The new owner franchise owner is just moving them to a new city under a new name. It wouldn't be an expansion team like the Kraken were. Now, where it gets complicated is that the old owner still owns the Coyotes IP and if they can manage to get a stadium deal in place before 2029, would be allowed to make a new Arizona Coyotes that would be an expansion team.
He knows, it is a joke about how terrible the arizona coyotes are. In fact they were awful when they were the phoenix coyotes.
Can we have a 't'raa-abit' at the end, just one time please!
its actualy insane how fast f1 become a joke
It's a really sad sorts when people yern for for the days when Bernie ran Formula 1. Liberty Media is ruining a sport I have been in love with since the mid-90s.
It seems that they should do much like football teams do and advance or relegate teams between the higher and lower tiers. Then they could maintain ten teams in the top level and make room for more competitive teams to rise up.
With team numbers restricted, no team should ever own a 2nd team.
Be a supplier by all means, but you can't own 2x teams in any way. Imho.
I've watched F1 since the mid-90s and I really don't like where the business side is going. Seems everyone's got short memories, things won't always be this rosey - manufacturers will leave. What they gonna do when there's another crash and Honda, Audi, Renault decide its time to go. They'll be begging Andretti to build a car.
10 teams should be the minimum...
I'll be surprised if this actually happens though, I can see them whacking a $1billion entry fee.
And also. With drivers being fitter, racing longer, where are young talent meant to get into F1? We're already seeing F2 drivers falling by the way-side because there's no way in.
OMG it's 300 to go!!
Serious question, with Toro Rosso (or whatever its called now) being obviously owned by Red bull is there anything preventing them from "prototyping" aero stuff and telling red bull whether it works or not. Effectively giving red bull twice the wind tunnel time while their b team is just an amalgamation of all of thr parts that only sprt of work
Yes. The fia said it was something they’d keep an eye on because of teams setting up shell companies to dodge things.
99.9k!!!!!! the roberto moreno story time is coming
It’ll click over today. But thinking tomorrow’s video is going to be “the” video, yeah it’s not that simple.
It’ll be done when the button trophy thing arrives so I can make a massive moment of it.
Just seen the madest racing series from America WF8 for u to check out ,38 cars on a figure 8 track
Where can I see this? Sounds wild!
RUclips look for low budget ty, enjoy
I thought the whole point of the budget cap was to attract new teams to F1?? If you're shutting out newcomers, then we might as well revert to the old rules where everyone could spend as much as they could to win championships; because right now, after watching highlights of the 2010 Chinese GP, F1 is clearly worse off with the current regulations.
Don't get why the teams don't want anyone new coming when MBS wants more teams to come in. Why bother with a joining fee and everything if the grid refuses your entry only because that makes it 11 and it's now 1 too many?
I’d despair if this comes to pass. F1 should be about opportunity. You have a car and driver and think you’re fast enough? Then knock yourself out. Many of the teams in F1 are here because they turned up with a car, put the effort in and beat established names. Names that had become complacent. If the sport is just a members club, then it becomes questionable as to whether it truly is the pinnacle of motorsport.
If there is one thing F1 hates its competition.
The amount of teams should be limited to 13 in my opinion
Oh that was just odd
Need to strip Red Bull of the old Italian team and also add another team. Plus the supply of customer parts needs to go too as it's basically made a set of junior teams within the chosen 10 which is just ridiculous.
Yeah I'm not sure how you police it but intra-team orders need to go. Watching any of the junior or customer team's cars evaporate when their boss comes along just isn't fun to watch and they are all guilty of it from time to time.
@@fallenshallrise Remember when Williams went up against Mercedes with Massa and Bottas. Every time they looked like they’d challenge they just moved out of the way and kept a steady gap behind.
Big mistake letting the teams decide if another team gets to join. It will always go against their short term goals and profits.
Even though I've been a Red Bull fan since they gave Aussie drivers a shot at winning races in the modern era and Minardi since when Stoddard took over, I have zero respect for the current naming of Red Bull 2. Thank's for calling the team Toro Rosso.
Aidan, Profit is the thing you are missing. these are businesses that make money, not just break even. Double your money from winning the championship. Sponsor payments are a bonus at that point. Redbull could afford to run with no signage if they chose to. For the team down in 9th or 10th, Andretti coming in reduces the payment they receive further. They struggle to get $120m in sponsorship in the first place and any money from point scoring being watered down by having another team in the mix hurts them terribly.
In 1980 the NHL had 21 teams and 16 of them made the playoffs, which was silly. The NHL now has 32 teams, which makes more sense. F1 is in the same position- they need more teams to fill out the field.
I guess this is my daily reminder about how insane moving the A's is given that MLB hasn't expanded in a quarter century
Ive subscribed, but now ill have to thing about it .🙂
I mean Rushall Olympic (Staffordshire Senior Cup winners no less) have more chance of promoting through the leagues more than Walsall 😅 but at least we're not Wolves or Albion 😉 As such I do miss the whipping boys of Minardi, the likes of which I fear we'll never see again 😢
That was a good thing.
I mean...
Prema entering Indycar instead of attempting to enter F1 should be enough for everyone to see that F1 is not exactly the place to be at as a team.
IndyCar is a better racing product too
indy and f2 are both spec series (theoretically). from an engineering standpoint going to indy is easier than going to f1, personally I don't see why an f2 team would want to try to jump to f1