WHAT A PLANK! The Story of the 1994 Belgian Grand Prix and 'Plank Gate'
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- Опубликовано: 10 мар 2024
- The 1994 season has got so much going on there could probably be some sort of drama series or film made. How a seemingly easy title for Schumacher was made harder because of Silverstone and Belgium in particular, as well as all the accusations and politics happening in the background.
But in 1994, in just the third race of the plank being used, Schumacher was disqualified because of his plank having too much wear in a spot where the grazing over a kerb hadn't happened. Was it all done in lieu of a kick out regarding Option 13 or not? Nobody will know.
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I remember a newspaper headline at the time as "Schu Planker!"
In the Swiss papers it was "Schummel Schumi" aka "Cheating Schumacher"
@@polaxis842 biased Swiss media smh…
@@AidanMillward yep. was the equivalent of any low quality Mainstream tabloid. One race earlier or so he was called "The Rain god". Headlines had and still have to sell
@@polaxis842 even telling people what is going on gets you in it. The race saying what Christian Horner has said about these text messages and it’s “they’re huffing copium” and “scraping the barrel”
All they did was say what everyone else has said. 😂
@@polaxis842He hadnt won a wet race up to that point though? I mean Belgium 92 was mixed conditions if anything
A video digging into the long running Brundle-Alesi beef could be interesting.
Never knew this one, hmu uncle Aidan!
Still makes me think of Ed, Edd and Eddy. I wish one of the mechanics would draw Plank on their plank, just for chips and gizzards.
I kind of miss the days before widespread internet, when you'd watch a live Grand Prix, think that a particular driver had won, and you'd only find out when watching the highlights later on Sunday evening that said driver had been yeeted out of the results.
Malaysia 99. Was glued to teletext that day.
I remember it came on the 5 Live late evening sports news......I remember thinking " here we go again...Benetton and more controversy."
Years ago i read an article where Pat symonds talked about this.
He said that in the event of a team breaching the worn plank rule of 1mm of wear that the team could request the plank be removed from the car and weighed...if it was 90% of its original weight it was deemed legal....the process was in place to cater for incidents like spins, slow punctures or suspension issues that could impact ride height and therefore wear on the plank
This had happened seversl times already over the previous few races but on this occasion the FIA refused to weight the plank and just declared it illegal and Hill the winner....i was hoping this might get mentioned in video.
In any case i think its fair to say Benetton and the FIA were on a full war footing by this point in the season so i could see that happening although on other hand it could be said Pat Symonds is maybe not the most trusted character in F1 history.
Traction control software was found on car ECU of car nothing was done! could not prove they used it apparently! there was a PlayStation like button sequence that turned it on ??
Plank's a plank. Another reason we can't have nice things, any time the rules are applied in a dominance spell, no gives a fig. In a title battle, then it's 'politics', 'bias', 'conspiracy', 'revenge', whatever other words. 1994 cannot be analysed in any meaningful way for this reason with all of the fighting and the factionalism, and because it is inevitably overshadowed by the demise of Senna. This was one of the only normal things that happened, a simple technical DQ, in a season that was one big dumpster fire.
True, when the 2021 rules specifically targeted the mercedes cars, everyone turned their heads and acted like it was okay
@@CmLeo145 that was made even more obvious at the last race of the season by fixing a race on live TV in front of millions of people. FIA is in shambles since a long time now, a revision of the managment of the sport is long overdue.
@@Aceliious Masi did exactly what BOTH Team Principals asked him to do, and he did so within the discretion granted to him BY THE REGULATIONS.
I went to the BTCC race at Brands the following day (Bank Holiday Monday) and the commentators were joking about how advanced F1 cars were...."and now they have planks of wood under them. Sometimes even the right size". As it happens, it was a double win for Jo Winklehock, so German fans at least had something to cheer motorsport-wise.
Don't ever change your intro music. I never knew 1994 was that crazy.
OOOooof. My memory is going. I always remember that being JJ Letho in the fireball that was a Benetton that day. I remember my dad waking me up in the wee hours of that sunday morning, still dark outside telling me be quiet as mum was still in bed and going downstairs to watch Damon, the Son of Graham win a world championship... First time any kind of sport broke my heart! That was the first year I was kinda old enough to fully grasp what was goin on and followed it with Dad the whole year. Early mornings for all the races on the other side of the world. Great childhood memories. Thanks for taking me there in such detail man. One love
Schuey wasn't as short as a plank. I seem to remember that on the slowdown lap, he was all over the kerbs trying to smash the plank.
Wait whaaaaa?
"Sort it the f*** out America..." Don't ever change Aidan!😅
As an American, that made me laugh.
@@dave8895 That makes both of us!
13:15 is anyone else picturing one of those white CSI tents but with a big FIA Logo on the side 😂
Never knew the plank was actually worn in more than one place. Actually learned something today.
Still maintain Schumacher's penalty for Silverstone was excessive. Retaliation for option 13.
The amount of people that genuinely think Michael did nothing wrong at Silverstone on the formation lap baffles me.
@@AidanMillwardslightly edited my first post. But overtaking on the warm up lap is now a 5 second time penalty or so. So a DQ and two race ban feels excessive. Especially considering the fact they were so late in issuing the DQ. Ah well, it's kept us entertained for 30 years. I'm sure will also still discuss the 2021 season come 2051.
@@harmkuijpers6642You are forgetting a few things
Firstly The Michael overtook Damon on both formation laps and took his sweet ass time giving the places back on both occasions making it clear it was intentional
Secondly the ban was, in fact, for Benettons reaction to being called in for a penalty for said cheating than for the actual offense.
Had The Michael either not cheated or just served his penalty for said cheating like he was supposed to, the DQ's and bans would not have happened
@@AidanMillward aidan i enjoy your content but your Hill and williams bias really clouds you on certain events in 1994. Formation lap Brazil Gp 1994 Hill passes Schumacher and Schumacher also passed Senna. There was no rule you can't do it. Drivers offen passed each other then let them back infront on the formation lap.
Also Schumacher and benetton did not ignore the black flag the Benetton team were in direct conversation with the fia believing it to be an error hence they told him to stay out. They thought it was an error but still called Schumacher in after a few laps to serve the penalty.
This was from Steve Matchett well respected Benetton rear jack man speaking on the Speed Tv F1 decade review of this race.
My personal opinion of this and knowing an ex technical director and hearing that every race Williams were trying to get Benetton for any penalty as Option 13 could not be proved either way they tried to get them done for anything. Hence the plank at Spa and filter at Hockenheim. Again alot of the other teams removed the filter with support from intertechnique.
@@ayrtonsenna1989luke the guy above you explained what actually happened and why he was given the penalty in the first place. Overtaking and then leading most of the first formation lap and then doing it again the second time around. Plus in the video I did on the subject i mentioned all this about the time passing and all the other factors.
No bias required. Plus by the time Silverstone rolled round things had changed and the FIA needed everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
Geoff Crammond, what a legend! Me and my mates have the odd linked up stunt car racer for nostaligic lols.
The same thing happened to Porsche at last years Watkins Glen 6 hour when their planks were worn out as well.
3:37 & 8:38 & 8:55 ... always got to love "The Michael". Since Finnish grammar has no articles, it makes sometimes our English as twitchy as those 1994 cars in rain.
IMSA = International Marijuana Smuggling Assn. As one IndyCar team member told me... "Auto racing costs lots of money, and sometimes the money doesn't come from the best sources." (pause) The actual race is secondary to the drama of a race weekend sometimes. Arguably the better show most times. I wouldn't have been the only media person to fall asleep once the race has started.
I've still got the entire 1994 season on tape ( yes tape, remember that stuff? ) and often pick one of those races out to watch again during a non-race weekend, there was so much going on that year and I only have to watch the race build-up to remember where we were in the saga. I agree that the Schumacher penalty for his Silverstone stunt was silly, but how Benetton didn't get severely sanctioned for the fuel rig tampering was to me unfathomable at the time, it was clear from the Brazilian race that they had some kind of trickery going on with their fuel system. That the season ended so controversially was almost to be expected and for that and many other reasons it should have been a season to forget but I keep going back to it, I'm surprised there hasn't been a movie made of it to be honest.
Spa 94 was my first foreign GP. Wonderful memories of my dad driving us there in his Corrado VR6. We camped up the hill from the hairpin and it chucked it down on Saturday and our campsite (small patch of grass) was washed out. Slept in the car on Saturday night and woke up to glorious sunshine on Sunday morning. Put our sodden camping gear on the bonnet and headed to the circuit. Came back to bone dry sleeping bags and all was well. Then we heard about “the plank”. Good times!
1994 was a tough year. I was 11 yo living in Germany, albeit a huge fan of Senna. Schumacher v. Senna. That would have been an epic battle. But we were robbed of that and instead got the Schumacher & Benetton vs the rest of the world thing.
The disqualification at Spa was obviously the least of Schumacher's issues. It was insult added to injury. A pretty straightforward setup error, most likely a result of the car being set up for wet conditions with softer springs & higher downforce, which then pushed the car beyond the limit during dry conditions with regard to the wearing the skid block. Unfortunately, except for the race, the whole weekend had been run in the wet with only the race partially run under dry conditions. So they probably never got a warning that their setup was too aggressive.
In the end, the Silverstone debacle, the 2 race suspension and this plank misfortune artificially created a race for the championship. 1995 put to rest the notion that Williams and Hill ever had a chance in a straight fight with Schumacher and Benetton.
Great comment mate 💚
Dangerously close to knocking your drink over at the beginning there mate…
Yes, but I didn’t. 😎
Fantastic! I love these obscure stories of the going-ons back then as well. Remember that internet fad called "planking" from circa a decade ago? Turns out Benetton did it twenty years earlier. (It's not the same thing though.)
I didn't know how much the plank had been "planed". Normally, if on the rare occasion they have a plank "infringement", it's a gnat's crotchet more than the 1mm you can get away with. But 3.5mm? That was really taking the, er, Mick...
So much controversy over wood...
And it’s happening with Horner. Amazing how it all cycles round isn’t it.
All alleged, of course.
"Wood" Teeheehee
@@AidanMillward👏👏👏
The horndog
I hope I'm remembering this right, but one of the stand-out moments to me of the 1994 season was the Spanish GP. The Michael finished second, as I recall, in spite of his transmission being stuck in 5th gear most of the way. A brilliant drive, by any measure.
You now have to make a playlist of the 94 season. By the way I'm glad you stuck it out especially after all that copyright bullshit that happened to you a while ago.
Another absolutely fantastic video! Keep up the great work 👍👍
I was at Barcelona and Spa that year. The tyres in Barcelona were too close and were hit a number of times in the first session. They were moved apart for the second session.
The tyres at Spa were insane as they forced the cars to head directly at the barriers and turn away. At one point a F3000 car messed up and struggled to drive up the hill despite the power it had.
I was camping in the Francorchamps village in the field across from the pub. I seem to recall it started to rain on Thursday night and continued over the weekend. While my tent was waterproof I was dragging moisture in on me each time. I had enough by Saturday evening. If it was raining in Sunday I was going to hold that the race was on the TV in the pub. I ended up making my way to London and settled in there for the day.
That evening I was having a bit meal in the village and some journalists were there and I found out from them what happened to Schumacher.
Driving them on the 1994 mod for GP4 was a pain in the arse.
Great vid as per Aidan! Keep em coming. Great content, always fascinating.
I came across your channel a while back whilst looking for some information about a car/mod on AC I'd just downloaded/driven in the simrig, your channel popped up, I was impressed, watched a few more & subbed (then subsequently found your a fellow simulator enthusiast, lover in my case😁), you do a fantastic job in both your research & presentation! Here's too you reaching 100k in the very near future, keep em coming..👍👍
Excelent video, knew a little bit about this but not all of the deatails here
Ooooh! So are you looking at covering Adelaide then? It is my home town and I'm still pissed about Melbourne getting the GP but would love to see your historic take on the circuit.
Murray Walker had to stay in the paddock to give the news of Schumacher's disqualification on the Nine O'clock news
Olivier Panis would also fall foul of this rule, I can't remember which race though
Your mention of the V12's reminded me that Sebastian Vettel wanted to bring them back after he retired with an engine failure while he was at Ferrari 'Bring back the ******* V12's'. He might not have wanted them back if they proved to be as unreliable!
Trulli got done for it in… 2000? 2001? At Indy. They overturned it.
AFAIK Michael and Lewis are the only two to be busted and have it stick.
Did a quick Wikipedia search. Panis did indeed get DQ'd for illegal plank wear at the Portugese GP in 1994. Unlike Michael and Lewis he didn't lose any points though
@@AidanMillwardTrulli was Indy 01. That’s a story in its own right as I did some research on it. One of the stewards had fucked off after the race, so the other two stewards forged his signature to disqualify Trulli. At the appeal, the judges ruled immediately in Jordan’s favour once it was proven the third steward wasn’t present. Jordan didn’t even have to prove the signature was forged (despite hiring a handwriting expert to do so!) and it proved to be the difference between 5th and 6th in the constructors, crucially overtaking BAR who had the same engines.
Feels like there wasn't a single race in 1994 that didn't involve some sort of drama or major story
1990s F1 was a bizarre time. Hopeless back marker teams, grenading engines, blatant cheating, spying, illegal cars, unsporting behaviour, what a rollercoaster it was back then compared to the tightly-controlled corporate tedium of the 2020s.
Nice to know that the fan base was just as toxic then as they are now.
Congratulations. You have found the subject of your long form masterpiece. 1994. Start working the industry for rights, put together a few interviews. Show us the process of making it. We have been waiting on you to do something big for a while...
U always a good job bruv 👍😎
"Glock moved over" comments are so stupid, and there's even an onboard of Timo's final lap
IIRC, his teammate, in the same car (obvs) and on the same tyre type, did almost the same time on the final lap.
They gambled on slicks, and if the rain had arrived 30 seconds later we'd be talking about how Hamilton lost it at the last race for the second year in a row.
I mean to be honest, there was not much else he could do, being on slicks as rain is coming down. Do they expect him to swerve around to block a car that's seconds faster on pace? 😂
Option 13, shaving the plank down for a lower ride height, ignoring a stop-go, ignoring a black flag, ramming into Hill. Also at some point there was the removal of the fuel filters in the fuel rigs. Briatore and Symonds would eventually get banned after 2008.
I think you should do a book or a dvd about 1994. So much stuff happened that year.
Good ole F.rontunners I.nternational A.ssistance
Williams had been at the top the prior year, so rules will be implemented and followed in the ways that will best help the defending team.
From 'controversial stuff' to the Red Bull factory is just a small step these days :D
I love your stance on what is interesting and what isn"t. And I agree, shady deals of the 90's all the way over whatever boring shit they come up with today
I start to think that the plank might not be big enough... If you want to eliminate bottoming up, maybe making it bigger allows for more data points and would annoy the engineers a bit more.
I love all this stuff, I grew up to it in my late teens, so wasnt aware of alot of this, other than the BBC coverage. I cant wait for 2040 when youre doing the dreaded 2020's scandals...'keep'er lit'
Yeah, you just need to do a full deep dive on every race. Similar to how Brock Bears is/was doing of the 2001 nascar season
I missed the 1994 season because Radio-Canada lost the French Canadian F1 broadcasting rights to RDS (Réseau Des Sports), and I lived in the boonies and the only station I could get was Radio-Canada. We were too far from town to get cable, and getting satellite TV back then meant paying thousands of dollars for an antenna the size of a pickup truck. So out of question. And don't expect a 11 year old boy with ADHD to stick all through the news bulletin for the race results.
When Radio-Canada and RDS made a deal for the 1996 season, I was thrilled! I could see Villeneuve fight it out with my all time hero Senna! When I told my friends that, they answered "Didn't Senna died in '94?". That was a blow. I'd lost my 2 childhood heros that year. Senna died without me knowing and Patrick Roy going traitor by requesting to be traded to the former Québec Nordiques.
I guess that's how my emo phase started out.
LOL!
You're feisty today.
Back then I watched the German broadcast, and the narrative was that Bernie and Moseley don´t want a German to be World Champion.
Did you do a video on Australia 1994??
I can't help but wonder if Schumacher DELIBERATELY spun off in a way that didn't cost him much time. That way they could run the car lower & blame the spin for the plank wear. Schumacher would've entirely been complicit, adding entry to his long list of cheating.
Should it matter why it has worn too much? Too much wear is a DQ & it is the team's job to stay within the rules. Allowing exceptions invites teams to break the rules then argue about it, whether intentional or not. Why should they be using a spin as an excuse anyway? Shouldn't the drivers keep their cars on the track & be penalised one way or another if they fail? Run-offs are there for safety, not to give drivers a second chance if they screw up.
Actually the skid block dsq happened the next race as well it happened to panis in Portugal
Thank you
I remember the race taking place on my birthday and being bummed that Schumacher won...then reading in the newspaper the following morning about Schumacher being disqualified over a rule I don't remember knowing much about.
Good job
Somewhere I read about a book in the 94 season but I can’t track it down. Great analysis here. Can anyone give me a pointer to the book?
With all the variables, it’s kind of amazing that this season came down to the final race at Adelaide. For a long time I wanted to believe that Bernie was keeping things interesting. But there was just too much going on for that!
The parallels between German and Dutch fans is interesting. Germans turned up glory hunting because a German driver started doing well, threatening other drivers and hurling abuse, and now there are no German drivers with a shot of winning there is no German Grand Prix.
It’s funny because I just saw a MV1 shitehawk on Twitter say that people who support Hamilton are just along for the ride and when he retires they’ll all disappear.
Typed it with a straight face, probably. Not realising the sheer hilarity of it all.
@@AidanMillward it's true. Before Hamilton turned up in F1 I just stared at my turned off television for two hours on a Sunday, wishing I had a British sportman to watch compete in something
@@AidanMillwardTo be fair, I've seen more than enough twitter users with #44 in their handle claim that very thing.
Said users have also already turned on Mercedes and unfortunately are now on their way to Ferrari
@@MrSniperfox29 they’re all as bad as each other.
Obviously talking about the CultLH, but sure be obtuse.@@AidanMillward
I started watching F1 in 1996. I really missed out on probably the most drama filled season of F1 in my lifetime by becoming a fan 2 years too late.
Didn't other drivers used to overtake other cars in the warm-up lap and let them by?
Yes, difference is Schumacher went by, fucked off and then let hill by in the final stages of the lap.
It wasn’t getting off the line ahead of the guy next to him or passing as they checked up it was a conscious decision
Love these controversial vids. I have watched F1 since very early 80s (yes, I'm in my 50s, still just) and out of all of the F1 I've watched the decade of the 90s were some of the best; great seasons elsewhere, but he 90s were consistently interesting, every season.
Excellent.
Yeah 1990s were awesome and terrible as well. But the stuff happening was immense.
Only if it's the Body Count version of IceT. 😊
Nah, it’s the “listing things similar to sex addiction” Ice T
Basically the John Mulaney routine 😂
At this point... you just have to make a video with a calendar and outlining everything that happened that year...
Engine control unit
make a cool t-shirt
CHUN CHUN
Is this the Moreno video ?
Planks for the memories! They probably should have had a plank B. I'll see myself out........
1900 away from the Roberto Moreno story time.
But seriously I Remember watching the race that morning (East Coast US) and being dejected that the Michael had won again only to find out Hill got the win due to the plank issue.
Sometimes adjusted results cannot be helped, but the stewards do themselves no favours. The last race was an example of their poorness: Norris made a jump start. Even the commentators saw it. It was initially dismissed, then investigated, then no action taken. Surely a jump start should be automatically detected & flagged for investigation immediately & the teams should know this before the drivers have even got to turn 1. I accept a few minutes to review the data before making a final decision.
@@TheRip72 the rule as written relies on the telemetry of the transponder. If it didn't set off the transponder, nothing the stewards can do. Should the regulation be re-worded? Perhaps. But as it stands, there was no infringement by the book. Similar to what happened to Bottas a few years ago.
Shots fired 😅😅😅 .... Watch out RUclipsrs
I was there where the cars are, when I saw the plank I was sure that was the 1994 plank!
who originally called Schumacher "the Michael?"
Mika Hakkinen
The best Mika from the Martinlaakso. 🇫🇮
Steve Matchett (former Benetton mechanic & SpeedTV analyst) is still salty about that…
Yes, and he only mentions major plank wear at the front, not the rear as well - though (I speculate) that could be what Benetton decided to tell the mechanics. Matchett makes much of the weight of components being within a 10% wear allowance. (source: his Life in the Fast Lane book).
Brawn is as well.
I can imagine! @@AidanMillward
Hard telling without seeing the evidence proper. Been too many things surrounding Flav during his F1 tenure that's made me go "yeah right..." Maybe this one was legit #shrug @@BobGeogeo
@@AidanMillward
Brawn was tricky with the underbody.
Irvine, on a “Beer with Eddie Irvine” video, mentions a Ferrari false floor on Schumacher’s car.
Why isn’t 94’ made into a movie in the same vain as rush?!
Edit: who would you cast as the main characters?
- Ayrton?
- The Schumacher
- David Hill
- Max Mosley
- Bernie
- Roland Ratzenberger
Etc
The shoe would have to be Nico cage ...
Senna, barichelo
Hill, george harisson cgi animation from 1983
Verstapen, max, of course . But he'd have to train hard to be as bad as his dad was ..
Irvine, yes you've guessed it, Irvine .
Brad Pitt can play tom cruise
One thing I've always loved about motorsport is that "cheating" is mostly seen as okay, and just part of the game. Just like getting caught is part of the game.
Benetton pushed the limit so much as the Ford was under HP compared to the Renault...
Tbh honest the more you hear about Schumachers 90s antics (especially 94) the more it becomes clear that at some point he should of gotten a more severe ban than just 2 races. Like realistically he was complicit in the shit Beneton were pulling as shown by the difference between his car and verstappens that season suggesting they were cheating on his car specifically in 94 and in order to do that he would have to have been involved.
There is a reason he was called "schummel Schumi" (cheating Schumi).
13:28 Lawn J Toodinal
That Tyrrell in 1997 just looked stupid
I was a junior mechanic at Arrows. What can I tell you?!
Depends on the statute of limitations I guess. 🤣
McLaren under Ron Dennis and prim and proper`?? thats a good joke
ICE Tea acts like wood and sounds like he writes his own script
I believe Alliot is French no?
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Barnard and his garbage shifting system started the less manly nature of F1
DC would have given Damon a kicking.
Jarno Trulli usa 01 the only other driver to be disqualified for the plank
These stories make me love the sport, unlike what's happening this year with butt hurt fathers trying to destroy a team.
Millward is the Clarkson of our generation, tell me I'm wrong.
You’re wrong.
I just don't get the excuses. More than one mm wear is more than one mm weare regardless of the circomstances.
1994 is the last proper F1 season in my eyes. You should put all of your 1994 on one big megamix of a video
What makes you say it’s the last proper season I’m intrigued as I didn’t start watching f1 till 2003
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 nostalgia
Americans are fine with the metric system, we use it all the time in labs. Brits point it out a lot, but what about Brits still talking about miles and gallons and stone?
Fuel is sold by the litre not by the gallon.
@@AidanMillward Yeah, but we still talk about miles per gallon & buy beer/milk in pints (but not US pints!).
@@AidanMillward True. But it's not all metric in the UK is it?
To be clear there is a lot of "Imperial" measurements still used in the US ... I wonder where we got them from?
My suggestion is to just use metric and let people adjust.
@@Scoots1994 pretty much anything technical uses metric and has done so for a long time, with the exception of a few very specific sorts of thing (e.g. plywood and lumber). The older Imperial units are primarily used for common everyday things for which they are still a bit useful, as they can be divisible by more factors on the fly or are related to common objects when guesstimating size.
If he had a chance to meet Brazil's finest.....
I have magazines like Autosport from the time and the images of Schumacher's plank show the effects of the spin - they're around the centre-ish of the plank. And of course with the statement that this was the cause, it was obvious bollocks as the FIA stated that the evidence was across the rest of the plank in places too. It was pretty clear, or at least as far as we can tell. You can clearly sdee the evidence fo the longitudinal scars especailly towards the front.
I've watched the footage several times as I still have the taps from back then, and he did indeed drop it on a wet spot that others were avoiding up against the kerbs.
The majority of the wear was just behind the reference plane according to motorsport magazine. Which is right at the front of the plank.
Schumacher went over the kerb with the rear quarter or so of it, so yeah it’s clutching at straws really.
@@AidanMillward Yup, it really was. It's REALLY apparent once you see that photo.
Fia did there best to have willimas win both titles.. catch 22 hill would never have gone into the last race if shumacher wasnt screwed out half of his bans... and theyd could disqualified shumacher in the last race but it wouldnt of mattered..
ATS smuggling heroin? Of course it happened
Who is your favorite driver in F1 history?
Montoya
It's not es toril, it's estoríl ..like estorlille