The Science of The Expanse

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @OrangeRiver
    @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +233

    Wow, this is probably the most difficult video I've ever had to edit for my channel! Huge shout out to the editors of The Expanse wiki, without whom I wouldn't have been able to write this script. And special thanks once again to everyone who donated--if you want to get your name in the credits, hit the "Join" button on my channel page or become a patron at patreon.com/orangeriver!

    • @MichaelKnaepen
      @MichaelKnaepen 2 года назад +8

      Excellent hour. More please more Expanse

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +7

      I probably *should* do more content with all this Expanse footage I have... 😍

    • @GopherBaroque61
      @GopherBaroque61 2 года назад +3

      @@OrangeRiver Well, what can I say... That was money well spent. Bravo, Tyler.

    • @wiaf8937
      @wiaf8937 2 года назад +2

      @@OrangeRiver yes bossman

    • @pottierkurt1702
      @pottierkurt1702 2 года назад +2

      That was awesome, any chance thee is a "lore" one in the making or on the drawing board?

  • @TwoWholeWorms
    @TwoWholeWorms 2 года назад +449

    The fact they managed to keep Avasarala in that grey-area between hero and villain for the entirety of the TV series is a masterstroke, IMO. One of the best characters ever committed to film. Agdashloo is a phenomenal actor, and I can't wait to see what she does next.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +34

      Agreed on all fronts!

    • @TheHalcyonAnon
      @TheHalcyonAnon 2 года назад +56

      "You're fcking God damned right." -Avasarala probably

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 2 года назад +15

      The people who say Dukat could be argued to be sort of hero ish should look at Avasarala to see how he fails to stack up. She’s the one who makes you question if her acts of evil were justified, but not Dukat.

    • @3RAN7ON
      @3RAN7ON 2 года назад +13

      I can't get past her voice! Sounds like she smokes two packs a day

    • @argiebarge7955
      @argiebarge7955 2 года назад +5

      @@3RAN7ON in a good or bad way?

  • @CaptainSovereign
    @CaptainSovereign 2 года назад +212

    From Mass Effect 2:
    Gunnery Chief:
    This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-b*tch in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law?
    Serviceman Burnside:
    Sir! An object in motion stays in motion, sir!
    Gunnery Chief:
    No credit for partial answers, maggot!
    Serviceman Burnside:
    Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir!
    Gunnery Chief:
    Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going till it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you are ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a damn firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip!
    Serviceman Chung:
    Sir, yes sir!

    • @DetectiveWarden
      @DetectiveWarden Год назад +18

      I was pleasantly surprised that Mass Effect actually does integrate some real physics into some dialogs you could listen to or have yourself. There’s also another one (I think with a shopkeeper on the Citadel in ME2) where, if you use the paragon dialog option Shepherd talks about inexperienced space travelers asking why the ship turns around at the halfway-point to the destination

    • @FalconOfStorms
      @FalconOfStorms Год назад +18

      @@DetectiveWarden ME actually started out really caring about the physics of it all. If your ship can't find a place to discharge static, you're going to have a bad time. If the Normandy goes into stealth more, everyone on board is eventually going to be cooked alive because you're not venting heat. Etc.

    • @Guardian_Arias
      @Guardian_Arias Год назад +12

      @@FalconOfStorms ME even had lore describing why you didn't reload guns and then they had to ruin it by using disposable heatsinks.

    • @roggonval
      @roggonval Год назад +6

      @@Guardian_Arias u mean thermal clips? They keep weapons from overheating It lets the gun fire with more power, and soldiers can pop in a new clip instead of waiting for the gun to cool down. Pretty useful

    • @Outworlder
      @Outworlder Год назад

      ruclips.net/video/hLpgxry542M/видео.html

  • @ethal1222
    @ethal1222 Год назад +31

    One aspect of The Expanse I really like is how most of the spaceships are designed purely for functionality over aesthetics (especially the Belter ones). Aerodynamics aren't an issue and there's no need for them to look pretty. They're tools used to do a job and built in the most effective way to do that job.

  • @Matthew_BKG
    @Matthew_BKG 2 года назад +201

    Having watched the show and read the books, I love how they both work separate from each other, yet compliment each other at the same time. I really hope we get the last 3 books adapted though, cause the authors have said the first 6 books were just setup and worldbuilding for the story they really wanted to tell, which was the final trilogy of books 7-9. The epilogue was such an emotional read for me, and to see it adapted would be a dream come true.

    • @PHDiaz-vv7yo
      @PHDiaz-vv7yo 2 года назад +10

      “Let’s get some beers and get reacquainted” ❤

    • @Noctua07
      @Noctua07 2 года назад +4

      I hope the same.

    • @derrekvanee4567
      @derrekvanee4567 2 года назад +2

      G damn earrhers and able to walk in gravity! Gah errters! Long live the belt!

    • @rcha2024
      @rcha2024 2 года назад

      Violence and gore and just same old garbage we been fed by every mainstream cultural status quo for generations ...but with "science" sprinkled all of that crap to make it smell different. You put a cherry on top of dog sh t ....it's still dog sh t.

    • @Matthew_BKG
      @Matthew_BKG 2 года назад

      @@rcha2024 Yeah okay mr contrarian, how about you actually watch or read it before being so blatantly wrong about it.

  • @underscore8256
    @underscore8256 Год назад +81

    The Expanse in season 1 and 2 was the most faithful book to screen translation I have ever seen. It was only when sci-fi canceled them that they were forced to squish book 3 into 5 episodes. Because of that, they had to deviate, combining some characters' roles into one. Drummer in the show was an amalgamation of characters from the books. Even with that, they stuck faithfully to the spirit of the books, culminating in, if not The, one of the best hard science fiction works ever put to screen.
    Thank you for The Expanse, and for the content. This video brought me to your channel, and the TNG stuff will keep me coming back :)

    • @IreneWY
      @IreneWY Год назад +4

      I was quite sad, when I got to Calaban's war and there was no Drummer in the book 🤣 I loved her

    • @markmontagna7637
      @markmontagna7637 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@IreneWYI was the opposite bull and sammy were two of my favorite characters and I was sad they didn’t get adapted to the show

  • @jeremyippolito7461
    @jeremyippolito7461 2 года назад +126

    That show was gold. One of the best Sci fi shows ever made. Its infuriating that amazon didn't let them finish the story properly.

    • @goheen1701
      @goheen1701 Год назад +8

      With 9 books and numerous novellas & short stories to adapt, all the actors would have died of old age before they could have finished the story properly, but I agree that the show deserved much more than it got! At least it didn't end on an unresolved cliff-hanger like FOX did with 'Space: Above & Beyond' (a vastly inferior but fun show).

    • @dustincurtis9418
      @dustincurtis9418 Год назад +2

      *sigh, as usual.

    • @brianegendorf2023
      @brianegendorf2023 Год назад +4

      @@goheen1701 There is a 30 year jump in the story, and still many decades unfold as the story progresses. But you could technically just age people for the show and shoot it now. Barring that, now that Tell Tale has made the games, maybe animating the end of the series is the way to go..that way, everyone can just voice themselves, and the animators can take care of the rest.

    • @deaddropsd1972
      @deaddropsd1972 Год назад +1

      AGREED.

    • @daha1214
      @daha1214 4 месяца назад +1

      the fist three seasons where so damn good. It was something really special. The Amazon seasons was good too, but didnt reach the level of facination

  • @banderse77
    @banderse77 2 года назад +5

    Nice segment.

  • @jeffreyatlee8785
    @jeffreyatlee8785 2 года назад +93

    There is little I am coming to enjoy more than having an amazing story reviewed by a quality channel. Thanks for your work.

  • @stuartwelch6432
    @stuartwelch6432 2 года назад +50

    What I liked most about The Expanse was that most of the tech mentioned, we "almost" have. There is no warp or impulse drive and artificial gravity, as such.
    What we don't have is the manufacturing ability. I wouldn't place the "start" of the Expanse more than 100 years out.

    • @cannon26ify
      @cannon26ify 10 месяцев назад +5

      We're still way off from being able to have miniaturized fusion drives like they have in the expanse however.

    • @stuartwelch6432
      @stuartwelch6432 10 месяцев назад +2

      @cannon26ify But I think we still have just about everything else.. Given time, I'm sure we can make that too.

    • @robertagren9360
      @robertagren9360 9 месяцев назад

      We either have it or we don't. Then it is up to giants to upscale the idea

    • @mr.rabbit5642
      @mr.rabbit5642 8 месяцев назад

      You couldn't really tell how much time has passed between episodes or during travel coz it felt like none, which made me think they kinda 'shrunk' the entire system in the series

    • @daha1214
      @daha1214 4 месяца назад

      I think too the expanse is possible, but climat change and liberalism will fuck us into stone age and there will no old indian ladie that can guide us XD

  • @kartoflur145
    @kartoflur145 11 месяцев назад +4

    I'm pretty late to this video, but at 22:03, you say there's very little AI in the Expanse. AI in the Expanse is everywhere, just a lot more subtle than in other shows. Almost all targeting is done by AI, people use AI to access documents, AI plots ship routes, allows Miller to create a Julie voice when he's in her apartment, etc. Other than that, well made video!

  • @intellectualredneck1813
    @intellectualredneck1813 Год назад +3

    Bobby and her comapanion did NOT throw up/get disoriented when then stepped on earth because of the gravity!!!! They got disoriented due to the Horizon Effect of not being inside a dome/enclosed enviorment!!!! It had nothing to do with gravity at all. It's stated MANY times as well as her struggle, that everytime she looks up, the world seems to go on for intinity. Still, you did a great video! The Expanse is the greatest scifi show to ever hit the market!

  • @mroxion8271
    @mroxion8271 2 года назад +13

    What put this show over the top for me with regards to detail to science is that in some scenes of the show you can see the PDCs use the exhaust gas of the round as counter thrust to keep the ship from spinning. They didn't need to go that detailed when rendering the amazing space battles but holy shit do I appreciate the effort.

    • @afriendofafriend5766
      @afriendofafriend5766 2 года назад +1

      What annoys me is that they do that but then they have no heat dissipation for the ships. So many huge blunders from the team as well.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +2

      Heat management for a weapon so powerful is definitely going to be a massive issue to resolve, but I'd expect two to three centuries of engineering progress to address that

  • @dog3y3
    @dog3y3 11 месяцев назад +5

    @ 17:00 The comrade from Mars who threw up upon walking out of the ship at the UN did so because of the horizon, and lack of ceiling. Most Mars residents are in domes and sealed compartments. Very few actually roam the surface outside. So his reaction of puking was because he had no ceiling above him and actually had a distant horizon in his view. It wasn't the gravity that made him sick, but the view. it's also possible the natural light from the sun might have affected him as well. That's why the sunglasses were handed out. Bobby Draper trains in Earth gravity. She didn't stumble from the gravity, she stumbled from the view as well.

  • @Jonathan-ug9yu
    @Jonathan-ug9yu 2 года назад +10

    Correction on AI.
    Apologies if already mentioned.
    Ty is on the record saying there are thousands of AI all over the show and books supporting literally every major and minor function of travel and life in space, they're just not Asimov's idea of AI, they run systems

    • @Jonathan-ug9yu
      @Jonathan-ug9yu 2 года назад +2

      Great video btw, thanks

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +7

      Yeah I should clarify that there's not really any sentient AI, but yeah, there's obviously automated systems running things in the background 👍

  • @zzzxhrg
    @zzzxhrg Год назад +5

    Man, what a wonderful video you made here. The Expanse deserves more love, and you gave it all. Respect.

  • @jamesabernethy7896
    @jamesabernethy7896 2 года назад +12

    Currently suffering a power cut since Monday. Surviving on mobile data so can’t wait to be able to watch this Properly. A great setting for you to cover. You and all your other subscribers an amazing Christmas and new year.

    • @renaissanceredneck73
      @renaissanceredneck73 2 года назад +2

      Where are ya at that you've been without power since Monday? What caused the power to go down? Just seems like a long time to be without power

  • @jamesjoelholmes4541
    @jamesjoelholmes4541 Год назад +7

    Really well done my friend. The Expanse is just so awe inspiring. I can tell that you put a ton of work into this one. I learned some things about physics that I didn't know about. Keep up the amazing work!

  • @edgarvilar2128
    @edgarvilar2128 2 года назад +20

    38:10 the books mention that the spinning of Ceres was done by Tycho with drives that were then removed. I don't recall if it was Eppstein Drives or Torch drives though, it is also mentioned that it took several years, maybe decades (can't quite recall) but it is regarded as one of the greatest engineering projects of the Belt, allong with Tycho station itself and the Navoo/Bahemoth/Medina. I can't speak of the methods employed on the other asteroids though.

  • @pottierkurt1702
    @pottierkurt1702 2 года назад +183

    A 1 hour "the expanse "video, imma heat up some hotpockets, get a 420 ready and really enjoy this. Thanks Tyler, what a welcme surprise you sneaky ****

    • @spacecitizen6756
      @spacecitizen6756 2 года назад +4

      Totes.

    • @frocurl
      @frocurl 2 года назад +6

      Lol that's awesome

    • @--cs3
      @--cs3 2 года назад +10

      right there with ya, bossmang

    • @mikeumm
      @mikeumm 2 года назад +4

      Dude, right?!
      Just got home from the bar, smoked a bowl, and came across this video...
      Hyped!
      Love the Expanse and this channel.

    • @D.M.S.
      @D.M.S. 2 года назад +1

      420 sucks

  • @danielcarter5452
    @danielcarter5452 2 года назад +3

    Thanks!

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +1

      Thank you so much Daniel!

    • @danielcarter5452
      @danielcarter5452 2 года назад +3

      You guys have a special gift of story telling. Keep up the good work. And merry Christmas.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад

      Merry Christmas :D

  • @ryanjones7681
    @ryanjones7681 2 года назад +22

    I love how stargates are becoming more and more accepted in science.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +10

      Honestly, me too 😍

    • @ryanjones7681
      @ryanjones7681 2 года назад +3

      @@OrangeRiver Makes ya wonder eh? Can't wait to see what the next decade unveils!

    • @afriendofafriend5766
      @afriendofafriend5766 2 года назад +2

      In what science? I don't see how they're realistic at all.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +4

      Theoretical physics, my friend. Wormholes were predicted by Einstein. Obviously, there's a huge difference between math predicting something and actually observing it, but that's how we discovered black holes. Wormholes may be rare if negative energy does not occur in sufficient quantities, but until we have a Theory of Everything, they're still within the realm of possibility.

    • @scambammer6102
      @scambammer6102 2 года назад +2

      @@afriendofafriend5766 "In what science?" science fiction

  • @ma7mgte
    @ma7mgte 2 года назад +5

    Had to watch this one on the couch. Great job!

  • @amyhogarten5038
    @amyhogarten5038 2 года назад +26

    This is was a fantastic video: robust in its details in explaining a piece Science Fiction that is well worth explaining. A great deal of hard work and thought went into its production. Thank you‼️

  • @sparkygump
    @sparkygump 2 года назад +16

    Best sci fi show since the Battlestar Gallactica reboot.

  • @pimpinaintdeadho
    @pimpinaintdeadho 2 года назад +13

    Such a great and underrated show.

  • @MikaHusk
    @MikaHusk 2 года назад +11

    Hot damn this channel is about to blow up, such high production value. Found you cause of star trek, but keen as to see other content like this

  • @konker420
    @konker420 2 года назад +8

    You are awesome. Keep up the great work my man. You produce better content than any major television network I can think of. If I weren't so poor I would donate to the patreon. Thanks for being you.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +4

      Thank you so much--if I weren't so poor I'd be able to have this kind of production value more often lol

  • @ashleycross7593
    @ashleycross7593 2 года назад +9

    The science of the expanse is absolute 😍

  • @TheJanda777
    @TheJanda777 2 года назад +9

    You are like being in a room with a friend talking about the things that a friend would only think of bringing up. Love it!

  • @Malchior_Rises
    @Malchior_Rises 2 года назад +1

    i appreciate that you said "legitimately salvaged" and yes it is christmas and it is comforting to listen to an overview of The Expanse :)

  • @shaggycan
    @shaggycan 2 года назад +9

    14:38 that's actually not normally the case. Remember belters are used to 1/3rd G or less, so most ships usually aim for about 1/3rd G delta V. Earthers do have a huge advantage because the crews can take highers thrusts and still fuction. That is why MCRN troops train at 1G.

    • @rudolfcsampai9549
      @rudolfcsampai9549 2 года назад +2

      you use delta v wrong.
      delta v is the tortal sum velocity change ability. if you lets say have 10 km/sec delta v, you can reach low earth orbit from the surface. accelerating is measured by m/sec squared, or g.

    • @shaggycan
      @shaggycan Год назад

      @@rudolfcsampai9549 delta v means change in velocity. It has for like a century. Wikipedia it.

    • @rudolfcsampai9549
      @rudolfcsampai9549 Год назад

      @@shaggycan
      yea, or maybe booth, smartass. (i mean stupid)
      when you have a space craft, it has a delta v stored as fuel. that delta v is the ships ability to change v. it doesnt have any special name. when a rocket has about 10 km/s delta v and more than 1.2 G of thrust, then it can reach stable earth orbit from the surface.
      and it simply said the rocket has 10km/s delta v, we dont call it some special name.
      mybe you should wikipedia it, or google it, i dunno.
      delta v is not measured with g or with any other acceleration, because it is not.

    • @MikoyanGurevich-xc7ft
      @MikoyanGurevich-xc7ft Год назад +1

      @@shaggycan it means the total potential velocity change... it's not a measure of acceleration.

    • @campbell9825
      @campbell9825 19 дней назад

      ⁠@@MikoyanGurevich-xc7ftit means both guys… in physics delta-v is the derivation of a velocity equation, I.e. change in velocity with respect to time, which is acceleration. It’s also a term in astronautics that refers to the velocity change potential.

  • @beezelbuzzel
    @beezelbuzzel 2 года назад +17

    Awesome video man! I appreciate all the work that goes into the scripted long form stuff. It's a ton of work. Orange River really knocked it out of the park on this one! I've never checked out The Expanse, but I might have to now!

    • @robertharper3754
      @robertharper3754 2 года назад +5

      The books are fantastic, the tv show blew my mind and expectations for any tv show. The show really knocked it out of the park, it is arguably the best scifi tv show ever made as far as realism goes, and one of the best scifi tv shows ever made.

  • @mattcorley4622
    @mattcorley4622 2 года назад +10

    Greatest video release of the year! One hour! Boom ya'll.

  • @undacable
    @undacable 2 года назад +34

    Great job with the production value on this one dude!

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +10

      Thanks! Credit to my cinematographer for helping bring this one to life

  • @HolgerNestmann
    @HolgerNestmann 2 года назад +5

    This was amazing. Reading along in the comments was great as well. Thank you

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +3

      Thanks! You're a brave soul if you can venture down into the comments of a RUclips video lol

  • @AlexandraBryngelsson
    @AlexandraBryngelsson 2 года назад +9

    Tungsten, just means "heavy stone" in Swedish.They named it that because they first found it in a small village in Sweden

  • @joemck74
    @joemck74 2 года назад +7

    I love the way the MTF drive looks so 'mechanical' - like it could lead the big locomotives in space, with hundreds of pistons pounding away and ships stopping at comets etc to fill-up with water during their trips.

  • @brentpalmer8001
    @brentpalmer8001 2 года назад +33

    I’d love to see you do a video on Martian terraforming again, especially with some of the new information Kurzgesagt brought to my attention (the space lasers).

  • @bennettonsager5524
    @bennettonsager5524 4 месяца назад +1

    This was a very in-depth look into one of my favorite series, both as a show and a book series. I even grew up with the actor who played Eric (the crime lord of Baltimore) in season 5. I wish the series continued because the Laconian Empire Arch is really cool.

  • @victorfinberg8595
    @victorfinberg8595 2 года назад +8

    2 points
    1) if you can get fusion power to work, then there's an awful lot of other stuff you can do.
    2) just because technology keeps advancing at an enormous rate does not mean that any particular technology you want to have will definitely become available.

  • @s0aps768
    @s0aps768 Год назад +2

    Had to finish the show before watching this video. Great job Tyler 👍I'm praying for another couple of seasons of The Expanse, covering the Ring Builders and the Dark Gods!

  • @guard13007
    @guard13007 Год назад +2

    As someone who has only watched season 1, I have to thank you for the minimal spoilers in this. There were significant things here, but I cared more than I expected to about spoilers, and there were few here. Edit: Well, I said that before the final part.. but I have no one to blame but myself for that.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +2

      Thanks Tangent Plays. I certainly tried, although in a video like this, yeah, some major things are going to be revealed...but it's not like I didn't warn everyone lol. You'd be surprised how many people have complained that this video contained spoilers EVEN IN SPITE of me clearly saying there would be. Glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @PwncakeOW
    @PwncakeOW 2 года назад +5

    At work rn, but I can't wait to watch tonight!!! 1 hour expanse video les gooooo. Always dig the music in your videos too. Keep up the hard work. You have the talent.

  • @1Tankmarine
    @1Tankmarine Год назад

    As a sc-fi type of guy, who loves Math (until Calc 2.) , and whom appreciates learning, I just wanted to say "Thank You" for your time and effort that you put into this thought out educational presentation. Have a great one.

  • @IThinkAndIWonder
    @IThinkAndIWonder 2 года назад +6

    An expansive explanation of what's possible. Thank you sir! Much enjoyed!

  • @xen1313
    @xen1313 2 года назад +12

    Covering the Goliath Armor. The DNA coding might be retconned. Diego and 2 others took over Bobby's armor when Ashford attempted to destroy the ring with the Com's lazer. He chased Holden, Naomi, and Drumer up the Elevator shaft, only to be taken out by the elevator. He was locked out of the Arm mounted gatling which might be the part that was DNA coded.

    • @jonny-b4954
      @jonny-b4954 2 года назад +2

      Yeah they did that through hacking though. Maybe that was just the books though. Makes sebse only weapons would be locked so you could move the armor when no one using it

  • @OdariArt
    @OdariArt 2 года назад +14

    The Expanse is awesome. Love me some Bobbie Draper❤💪.
    "Decades, decades man. Fuck!" Thanks for that, Tyler. Lol!

  • @Saturnine21
    @Saturnine21 2 года назад +7

    Absolutely fantastic overview, an excelent way for new-comers and fans alike to enjoy and keep enjoying this amazingly built universe. Lets hope for a spinoff or a final adaptation of the last couple of books.
    Fantastic work!

  • @ricardioscarbonara102
    @ricardioscarbonara102 2 года назад +10

    you are an absolute star (excuse the loose pun) I love anything expanse related, it's clear you've gone all in for this one, well done and thank you.....Inyalowda

  • @edgarvilar2128
    @edgarvilar2128 2 года назад +10

    Great video, but a minor remark: At 14:05 you mention that the show and "elsewhere" state that the Expanse ships use chemical rockets to land and take of from planets, however it is simply not possible to achieve the required efficiencies for that with chemistry. Today's current rockets are mostly chemical and are already squeezing ~80% of the maximal theoretical efficiency out of their fuel and yet most of their mass is fuel. The Expanse ships seem to only have about 10 to 20% of their mass as fuel, and in the books the fuel is always mentioned to be water so it can't be chemistry. The books state several times that the ships land and take off from planets with a mix of the Epstein drive at high altitudes, to avoid "glassing" the surface, and maneuvering thrusters at low altitudes. These maneuvering thrusters are mentioned to require a large amount of electrical energy and produce a plume of super heated steam, so they're fuel is probably water that is super heated by battery power or electrical energy produced by the reactor. These thrusters could theoretically achieve much higher efficiencies than chemical rockets (though lower efficiencies of the Epstein drive), so the concept is feasible. Additionally ships without (or not using) Epstein Drives are mentioned to fly "tea-kettle" witch matches this idea. The books also some times refer to chemical rockets but never in the concept of ships, instead they are used on a small scale, for cheap applications too accelerate small improvised crafts for instance.

    • @steyefong590
      @steyefong590 2 года назад +1

      I read the same thing. In the books, water is used as reaction mass. I supposed most engines use fusion to superheat the water to create the exhaust for thrust. Epstein drive is the advanced version of fusion drive the is capable of sustaining fusion for interplanetary flight. Some of the ships do not have Epstein drive but just fusion drive such the Zhang Guo which Amos, Erich, and Clarissa commandeered to escape to Luna.

    • @edgarvilar2128
      @edgarvilar2128 2 года назад +1

      Yeah, those fusion drives are often called torch drives , or just torches.

    • @liamjohnston2000
      @liamjohnston2000 2 года назад +2

      @Steye Fong The Zhang Guo, in the show at least, does have a fusion drive. In order to escape their pursuers quickly, they launched up using the fusion drive rather than the normal chemical rockets, completely destroying the compound and killing everyone inside.

    • @steyefong590
      @steyefong590 2 года назад +1

      @@liamjohnston2000 Yup, they literally torched everyone in the compound when they launched.

    • @ArneChristianRosenfeldt
      @ArneChristianRosenfeldt Год назад

      Maybe you can add an after burner to the space shuttle main engines ( which also output super heated steam plus H2). At that temperature there are already a lot of ions to work with.

  • @keller1334
    @keller1334 2 года назад +3

    A well presented video on my favorite science fiction series. Thank you.

  • @lesterlewis3024
    @lesterlewis3024 2 года назад +6

    One of your best videos! Loved the breakout and couldn't agree more that the technology seems very plausible.

  • @surryan
    @surryan 2 года назад +6

    Ok wow, I know this is literally the briefest of overviews of the science of the Expanse. But man for anyone with even a basic understanding of some of the science involved; you have done a proper job! Thank you, I will be linking this video forward for others to watch. Mainly because I want to see more scifi with levels of realism that can be explained. But also because I think most of the first season if not parts of the second, (not counting protomolocule until it or something like it is discovered) is more or less plausable.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад +1

      Thanks!

    • @grantaum9677
      @grantaum9677 3 месяца назад

      Oh I think it has extreme relevance to the mrna tech in hindsight

  • @antonleimbach648
    @antonleimbach648 2 года назад +3

    Great discussion, The Expanse is an excellent series and I’m sad to see it end.

  • @damenwhelan3236
    @damenwhelan3236 2 года назад +4

    Wait... so the epstein drive imparts 1 g as it accelerates?
    That's brilliant!

    • @masterpython
      @masterpython 2 года назад +1

      It can do way more. Enough to kill people

  • @TheGreenAnorak
    @TheGreenAnorak Год назад +2

    Brilliant, amazing, fantastic, entertaining.
    Thank you for this OR. I have not read the books but just finished watching the series. It always stuck me as a more 'hard-fi' rather than 'sci-fi' show and this proves it.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +1

      Thank you!

    • @TheGreenAnorak
      @TheGreenAnorak Год назад +1

      ​@@OrangeRiver(up late) watching this again.
      Love your observation on acceleration. You should read the Hyperion series. Very interesting version of 'acceleration' in those books.

  • @carnifexor3010
    @carnifexor3010 2 года назад +12

    Depending on Lore vs Cannon argument, where Laser weapons are in the The Expanse book series, but suppprisingly not within the television series (unless I'm mistaken about this). It could be a timing consideration of when both show & books were written. Given the R&D & the 50 kw to 300 kw lasers in production today, one would think such weapons would be even more prominent in a greater refractionless environment such as space. The power generation was certainly available in ships of The Expanse, far much more than today. Commercial use in mining, point defense, lances, and general heat impact weapons should be very realistic within the show. Laser weapons should be capable of altering or stopping a rail gun shot. This would certainly be the case of point defense against missles & attacking a ship (especially at a a point of greater vulnerability).

    • @lunaticbz3594
      @lunaticbz3594 2 года назад +3

      The main issue I see with lasers is that if they are done realistic, you'd never actually see it.
      There is one scene with a laser being used towards the end of season 3, you can see the path the laser travels which isn't realistic but I feel they had to show it otherwise the audience would just be very confused, especially since the laser missed.

    • @Hal2718
      @Hal2718 2 года назад

      The only instance of a laser I can recall from either the books or the show is what ​ @Lunatic BZ mentioned which was both in the show and the book series. Otherwise everything else is PDC's, railguns and missiles.

    • @jpharri
      @jpharri Год назад

      > Laser weapons should be capable of altering or stopping a rail gun shot
      A laser will not have enough momentum to counter that in the rail gun projectile. Sure the laser might melt the projectile into a rough slag, but in empty frictionless space this change of shape won't make any difference to it's velocity, especially over the limited range that rail guns are used at.
      >Against a missile
      A laser may blow it up prematurely, the wreckage will no longer explode but will still cause damage if it hits anything - and it may still be travelling towards the target...
      > Guided Missile
      Probably hoping the laser will destroy the guidance system, though as above it's still a fast moving object in space.
      I don't think lasers prove as good a weapon as first thought. Mass with momentum seems a winner.

    • @lunaticbz3594
      @lunaticbz3594 Год назад

      @@jpharri You only have to change the trajectory of a rail gun shot though to make it not hit you. Though your right at limited range that isn't happening and rail guns are already only being used at limited ranges since otherwise you can just dodge them.
      Against the missiles we see in the show most of them are nuclear so really regardless of what you damage on the missile or blowing it up it's a lot better then letting it detonate. Even if the debris directly hits the ship.
      *edit, just realized in my ramblings forgot to say its not the impact of a laser that redirects a projectile its because whatever the laser hits some portion of the projectile will be turned into heated gas, plasma, light etc. As that leaves the projectile thats why it changes directions.
      That said in real world the cat and mouse game between weapons and defenses. If people used laser defense weapons you'd just build missiles to negate that defense as much as possible.

  • @Disinterested1
    @Disinterested1 Год назад +5

    I loved this series and cannot wait to see more of this universe!

  • @KC_Smooth
    @KC_Smooth 10 месяцев назад +1

    Finally watched all 6 seasons of this show over the last 2 months and it’s become my favorite TV show right next to Star Trek TNG.
    I’m now hit with a wave of sadness that there is no season 7 planned😭.

  • @misterlau5246
    @misterlau5246 2 года назад +3

    Hello Tyler? Whoa, I have seen videos of yours at home or studio I don't know, but this is in exteriors! Whoa filmed on location! whoa mate! This was a surprise for me, and I'm just around minute 3 and already, this is a gigantic amount of work, production level is going up!
    It's lots of material you have put here, way to go, all of the ppl who work in this channel!

  • @MonCappy
    @MonCappy 2 года назад +4

    I really enjoyed your deep dive into The Expanse. Watching it really made me want to get into the series when time allows. Having said that, there is one thing that has always annoyed me about the praise for the show. And that is how critics praise how realistic it is. Now I should point out here that I do acknowledge the show is definitely on the harder side of science fiction, but there is one thing that still annoys me.
    And that is that the show is called realistic. It isn't. The show doesn't depict a realistic future space faring humanity, but a plausible one. By this I mean that the show does not reflect a present reality. We aren't a multiple planet civilization. We haven't fought wars in space. Everything involving the space and technology based aspects of the show are entirely speculative. The politics and the intrigue aspects of the show are realistic as I happen to think it'll be centuries (if not millennia) before we learn to coexist peacefully as a species, if ever.
    Now, here is why I call the show plausible and not realistic. We don't have a complete picture of the physics that cover the universe. For decades we've been trying to reconcile quantum mechanics with general relativity with no success. Achieving that reconciliation will almost certainly require the discovery of new physics. This will lead to, I think one of two possible outcomes. The first will be the discovery of practical workarounds the light speed limit to allow for faster than light travel that doesn't break causality and allows for the exploration of interstellar space within a single human lifetime. The other outcome will forever foreclose any such possible loopholes with a complete picture of the rules governing our cosmos known to us.
    Without this knowledge we can't assume that the future depicted in hard science fiction is realistic, if for no other reason than because there may be future discoveries that change what we think is realistic. On the other hand, hard science fiction is much more plausible than shows that depict humanity traveling the stars in faster than light ships.

  • @MikinessAnalog
    @MikinessAnalog Год назад +1

    "for decades man,
    DECADES"
    lol i just died lol

  • @Galaxy-o2e
    @Galaxy-o2e 10 месяцев назад +1

    The Mormons payed a fortune to make a colony ship just for it to be used as a mobile freedom fighter HQ

  • @AndrewPasq
    @AndrewPasq 2 года назад +4

    clicked it without thinking... thought it was going to be a ENT storying about random science about possible weird shit in space (star trek)
    Saw the shitty acting and realized it was Orange's take on "The Expanse" and made myself a drink for an hour of good content....
    EntEducate me.... Orangeriver man...
    This is why I subscribe.

  • @jdogdarkness
    @jdogdarkness 2 года назад +3

    The Expanse is easily my favorite science fiction show if not show in general. *_#BringBackTheExpanse_*

  • @jessa1895
    @jessa1895 Год назад +2

    What bad luck to release a show centered around the EPSTEIN drive when they did 😂

  • @vit.budina
    @vit.budina Год назад +2

    The hand terminals in the expanse probably work only as access points to a cloud computing centre, which could explain why all the terminals went down with the power on Eris in the early episodes. This would also make the clear aesthetic more viable since it removes the need for a local hefty computing unit and only requires a data and power receiver and a display, plus maybe the acrylic sheet might include some piezo-electric circuitry that vibrates the material to turn the entire device into a speaker.

  • @carloshenriquezimmer7543
    @carloshenriquezimmer7543 2 года назад +1

    Small Correction: Spin Gravity pulls outwards, not inwards, so the Belt cities were built on the "roof" of the underground tunnels.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад

      Ah, it appears I did mix this up lol. I definitely meant it the other way around

  • @captsam54
    @captsam54 2 года назад +4

    Excellent.. Love the Expanse.. Wish it was still running..

  • @ShaunRF
    @ShaunRF 2 года назад +2

    One thing I would like to bring up is the estimate of 14 billion people being the max our planet can support. This number likely has a lot of assumptions behind it, such as the use of traditional open-air agriculture providing the food for the population. It is important to consider that simply replacing our traditional farm land with enclosed with greenhouses could produce enough food to support 10 times our current population, while using no more land or water to do so. To say nothing of things like automated floating farms on the ocean, or similar ideas. When your society has technology such as fusion energy, like the world of the Expanse does, you could potentially use less land than we do currently, via vertical farming or even subterranean farms. We should not underestimate the impact of things like advanced automation or cheap and abundant energy.

    • @sierra1513
      @sierra1513 2 года назад +1

      we could double our food supply if we stopped farming meat and just ate the crop used to feed livestock, not to mention that we already produce way more food than we consume, its just theres no profit to getting it to starving people

  • @rp8133
    @rp8133 Год назад

    Wow, this is a really great video about a difficult topic. Thanks for this - I enjoyed it much. The Expanse is a series of books and videos I really loved to consume. This story triggered me because the technology and the society/social stuff in there was so realistic and so near to what is possible today or even thinkable from nowadays technological point of view. This was not Star Wars or Star Trek. It was based on a familiar physics. And you gave it a good counterpart of what we got so far in real world. Big thumb up.

  • @ClintSprayberry
    @ClintSprayberry 2 года назад +7

    Ahhhhhhhhhh Yes!! Here we go with a SciFi Friday serving so salacious, so savory it's sinful! Save your work and put the laptop away, it's time for Orange River's analysis of ..... The Expanse!!!

    • @kevinjohnson7553
      @kevinjohnson7553 2 года назад +4

      This would serve as an awesome video intro!

    • @ClintSprayberry
      @ClintSprayberry 2 года назад +4

      @@kevinjohnson7553 😁 I do what I can! I genuinely do love the videos on this channel though. I in fact am a man of science myself, and, it is clear that the writer(s) do their homework. So whenever I see a new video pop up I get excited and start acting like a mentally challenged heathen 🤣

    • @kevinjohnson7553
      @kevinjohnson7553 2 года назад +4

      @@ClintSprayberry Tyler's content is excellent, no question.👍🖖

    • @ClintSprayberry
      @ClintSprayberry 2 года назад +3

      @@kevinjohnson7553 🖖

  • @davidcoleman757
    @davidcoleman757 10 месяцев назад

    Superb work. This was fascinating. Books and show, The Expanse is about as good as sci-fi gets. I wish it had better recognition.

  • @DrVunderbahr
    @DrVunderbahr 2 года назад +8

    It'd be worth doing a video on the actual scientific concepts behind the Protomolecule and the things it can do. There are good write-ups on this on the Expanse Subreddit. Lots of weird theoretical quantum stuff

  • @frocurl
    @frocurl 2 года назад +4

    Thanks Tyler a great video well done on my favorite new space show.

  • @markjmaxwell9819
    @markjmaxwell9819 2 года назад +1

    Never seen an episode but is on the must watch list after this RUclips video .

  • @tevvya
    @tevvya 2 года назад

    Thank you for this great video. Your research really showed up on the screen.
    One of the largest technologies in the Expanse is the one you cannot see: radiation shielding. The travelers in the Expanse never worry about ionizing galactic radiation (cosmic rays). That either means that the writers dispensed with the reality of radiation OR they assumed a mechanism of shielding which--by the time of the story--was so common as to vanish from conversation (like drywall today maybe). It is interesting that there are death chambers on Eros which use "hard" radiation to kill belters en masse (parallels to Nazi gas chambers are stark). Current discussions about cosmic ray protection are found in many places but with few workable solutions.
    Thanks again for your work.

  • @powertalks9358
    @powertalks9358 Месяц назад

    This video is amazing, you are great mate! I have been at work and watched the whole video non stop!!

  • @Danogil
    @Danogil 2 года назад +4

    Colonel John Paul Stapp (July 11, 1910 - November 13, 1999), M.D., Ph.D., was an American career U.S. Air Force officer, flight surgeon, physician, biophysicist, and pioneer in studying the effects of acceleration forces on humans. He was a colleague and contemporary of Chuck Yeager, and became known as "the fastest man on earth". His work on Project Man High pioneered many developments for the US space program. Stapp entered the U.S. Army Air Forces on 5 October 1944 as a physician and qualified as a flight surgeon. Stapp died peacefully at his home in Alamogordo, NM at the age of 89.

  • @xcalium9346
    @xcalium9346 Год назад +1

    44:00
    Actually, I think this was meant to show how he was spouting lies, Martian propaganda. Not to be malicious but because it's what they believe. That whole moment in the show was meant to showcase how Martian beliefs about Earth and Earthers wasn't true. Earth seemed to have solved a lot of its issues, and any environments we do see are clean and well maintained

  • @crumpsyjay
    @crumpsyjay 2 года назад +1

    Thanks

  • @je25ff
    @je25ff Год назад +1

    The best part of this show is that it sticks to reality (physics, space travel, etc) most of the time then hits you with a dose of fantasy sci-fi. It makes the latter so much more believable.

  • @jymfysher7704
    @jymfysher7704 2 года назад +8

    Tyler,the world's first Sci-Fi Journalist !!

  • @ehrenmurdick
    @ehrenmurdick Год назад +2

    Speaking of not using nuclear rockets in atmospheres, when we see the Rocinante land it uses only thrusters, not the big main engine bell at the back.

  • @Dwuudz
    @Dwuudz Год назад +1

    This show NEEDS to come back.

  • @normanbarton7191
    @normanbarton7191 2 года назад

    I think this is my favorite video oof yours. Spectacular job sir!

  • @brianegendorf2023
    @brianegendorf2023 Год назад

    Fun little fact about "tight beam" is that you have to estimate the distance to what you are sending your message, so that it is strong enough to make it there. The thing is, the further away your target is, the stronger you have to make the beam. To the point where it becomes a laser that will cook, punch through, or cut objects (other space ships) that accidentally get in its path.

  • @danielch6662
    @danielch6662 2 года назад +2

    Railguns works better in space. On earth, the hypersonic projectile heats up the air causing what looks like explosions with flames even though no chemical explosives are used. This damages the "barrel". In the vacuum of space, this problem would not exist.
    Furthermore, we can use spinlaunch's method, to reduce the voltage needed ... high voltages is the other main factor that shortens the lifespan of the "barrel".

  • @InstigatorDJ
    @InstigatorDJ 2 года назад +1

    Appreciate this in depth look. My favorite scifi show of all time. Hands down.

  • @jay1st1st
    @jay1st1st 2 года назад +3

    I see EXPANSE I click !

  • @andrewexum394
    @andrewexum394 2 года назад +4

    Shit, now I have to go watch the entire show again lol

  • @Jifuryu
    @Jifuryu 2 месяца назад +1

    You forgot to mention that players can tap Sol Ring to add 2 generic mana to their mana pool.

  • @quantafreeze
    @quantafreeze 2 года назад +3

    This sounds so cool. I've literally never heard of this.

  • @Asitis513
    @Asitis513 4 месяца назад +1

    🎉🎉🎉Love the intro!!!

  • @joeywall4657
    @joeywall4657 2 года назад +8

    I'm going to have to start binging this show in the truck while I'm on the road. You've got me stoked to see it. Also, I love your location videos. It's fun to see you outside.

  • @PoorPersonsBookReviewer
    @PoorPersonsBookReviewer Год назад +3

    I'm currently reading the expanse novels, and you did great at explaining something's I was hoping the books went deeper into without spoilers. Thanks for all the star Trek videos too lol

  • @BTScriviner
    @BTScriviner 2 года назад +3

    Bravo. I read only the first four books and watched only the first two seasons (before it moved to Amazon), but I thought you did a really great job of explaining the technology of the Expanse universe.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 года назад

      Thank you so much!

    • @jonny-b4954
      @jonny-b4954 2 года назад

      Oh man you've gotta finish the series. Get better every season unlike most shows. Books too. Though last 3 are... Weird and detached from rest of series in my opinion

  • @bryanschmidt7336
    @bryanschmidt7336 2 года назад +1

    Great video. I was so sad when The Expanse left Netflix. I hope to see the remaining seasons someday

  • @dog3y3
    @dog3y3 11 месяцев назад

    @ 14:00 If you remember, the Rocinante had to be retrofitted with landing equipment on Lunar before heading out to the unknown planet. They could claim that it was retrofitted with 'rockets' to land. Although, it still looks like the ION engine is engaged the entire time. I could be mistaken. I might need to watch it again. BTW, season 5 and 6 are out on Bluray now. So happy i have the complete set now.