I tried to covert the DS9 footage to 4K using AI upscaling software, but it kept messing up the faces. Some people have had success experimenting with this tech in short bursts, but I hope you'll forgive me for not being able to magically deliver DS9 in ultra-HD. WE NEED A REMASTER!
We've needed a remaster for years. We only got a smattering seen in the brilliant documentary 'What We Left Behind'. Mainly the battle in 'Sacrifice of Angeles'
Practical realtime AI interpolation will be commonly available within a few years anyhow. Streaming video services will probably offer viewers a variety of options for watching old shows at higher-than-original resolutions. They may even offer features such as face-substitution for viewers who particularly like or dislike certain performers. It's not even sci-fi magic anymore. It's just a question of hardware costs and legal details.
Great vid as always, the dominion to me is the "borg of DS9" in the sense of being a original character (or race) to a series. I absolutely think the mystery of the dominion and the slow revealing of their structure is some of the most interesting writing in the entire series.
I still get goosebumps every time I get to the first encounter with the Jem'Hadar, then Quark finding out about this mysterious "Dominion". They really did a bang up job with the writing of the Dominion and how they revealed it.
I think it's interesting how they basically made him a shapeshifter because the T1000 technology was no longer cost-prohibitive and it was a really cool effect to draw people in ("will he shape shift in this episode?"). Of course now all this stuff is canon we have people like you trying to figure it all out, and maybe even some of this is discussed in official technical manuals, but it's all just "editing in post" so-to-speak to cover up that they just wanted to use a really kickass effect from T2.
When you started mentioning using an alternate dimensional space to funnel mass into, it totally reminded me of how some transformers are giant robots but can still transform into small human sized and weighted boomboxes
I believe in TF its referred to as "mass-shifting". Its kind of a fan explanation but how it works is the extra mass is moved into "subspace" essentially a void between dimensions.
My theory with regard to Founder reproduction is that in the link, they are pure thought patterns and that together they are an even greater set of thought patterns that mingle and change over time. Essentially, they are all thought in the medium of the liquid-like organic material. In the link, they individuated when new and unique thought processes emerge from the already flowing thought processes of the Changelings as a whole. Think of it as programs running on hardware and the software interacts and their emerges a glitch that was unforeseen. In this case, that glitch is a new unique Founder that then grows and evolves into a fully sentient and individuated mind. When they want to explore they simply gather some of the liquid medium to them, disconnecting their unique mental processes from the whole and leave the Great Link. The liquid form isn't their body in a true sense, but rather just a piece of the medium that holds their mental processes. If they separate a newly formed mind from the rest of the link and then send it off, it will grow slowly into a sentient being, but only if it has stimulus to teach it. Thus Oddo grew to be who he was, who was a being different from other Founders. When he returned to the Link, his mind shared his experiences with the rest of the minds in the link. Each Changeling is an emergent property of the interactions of all the Changelings in the Link.They don't have a mother and father, but emerged from the whole.
I had forgotten that changelings could become objects like electronics. That happened in the animated series with the Vendorian. He became part of the deflector dish.
Think of it like the mongol empire, they were pretty chill if you were chill and did what they wanted, but if not they burn your city and everyone in it. A galactic dominion may be peaceful, but the amount of death to get there would be insane
I have always found the changelings choice to abandon 100 of their children into space deeply disturbing. Honestly, of all the things they did, that's the one that I find the most upsetting, especially given their history.
I don’t think you are understanding this race. You are transcribing human characteristics to the Changelings. Remember one drop bc an ocean and an ocean becomes a drop. To them sending out changelings into space is almost like sending themselves out into space in hopes that they will return. Almost like when we send out an expedition to the unknown. You are seeing it as a negative when in fact it’s a positive. To explore. To learn.
@@nxreliant1864 That argument makes sense if the babies, and they call them babies, not explorers, had any skills. Odo was found unable to even create a form. They couldn't even tell he was a living specimen. The took the most vulnerable drops in their ocean and just hoped they'd get back to them, and it was just a test. And we see the pain in Odo from the very beginning when he says he doesn't know where he comes from.
I'm not sure if baby is the right word for them. I wonder if Odo left an adult, lost mass (and with it knowledge/neural development) over centuries in the void without any source of caloric intake, and arrived with the equivalent of brain damage. If changelings in the pre-Dominion days basically never skipped stoppiny in every star system for energy binges they might not have known how detrimental spending as long in interstellar space as the 100 were going to would be.
@@georgecoons6872 Thing about it is that you can do so much more with the Dominion than you can with the Borg from a story telling standpoint. Notice how later TNG and Voyager both struggled with Borg stories despite how good they were as villains. It’s why I was ultimately disappointed in season 3 of Picard; I was really hoping that the Dominion were making a comeback. Instead it became another Borg story.
The mass issue with changelings cones from assuming Odo isn't very lightweight. He could weigh very little and compensate for being flimsy by selectively hardening places where he touches other people or things, and didn't blow away in the wind by creating little grippers on the bottom of his feet like bugs have. There's also not much of a limit on his strength because he doesn't rely on muscles like we do and there's no telling how strong the bonds of his molecules are.
@@OrangeRiver Hey Tyler, I have a suggestion. Maybe you would consider doing another video on the lost era. This one would chronicle the launch of the Enterprise B, the Tomed Incident, the Enterprise C, and the cardaissain wars. These would lead up to the launch of the Enterprise D. During this time frame you could also discuss indepth the of evolution of the Monster Maroon uniforms as well. The lost era is one of my favorite era, cause of the TWOK uniforms! I think it would be pretty cool to attempt to explain it more. Thanks for your consideration.
I think at the very least some of those topics can be covered in individual videos, but I'll keep the suggestion in mind! Multiple people have asked me about a return to the Lost Era, and I certainly like timeline videos...I won't rule it out ;)
Totally not a Trekkie here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but if Changelings can turn themselves even into gases, I don't think it's too far fetched that the one who turned into a glass had the rest of their mass floating around the glass as an invisible gas cloud, so theoretically there shouldn't be a limit to how little they can be perceived to weigh, as long as their weight doesn't surpass their mass
What I would find fascinating, and I wish the new series would explore this, is what first contact between the Dominion and the Borg, or the Q, or any of the other Uber races would be like. I feel Discovery has a real opportunity here to explore what the aftermath of such a said event would be on the Dominion, or any such other race.
Considering how many nigh-omnipotent species were encountered in the original series, I'm guessing the many god-like beings of the Trek universe just sort of avoid each other because it's embarrassing to be seen together by lesser beings like us... Related to that I'd always assumed Q visited the Prophets before and/or after seeing Sisko when he visited DS9
Given the static structure of the Dominion, the Borg would absolutely annihilate them in a very short period. The Borg are the ultimate extension of Darwinian adaptation, the Dominion in contrast, hasn't changed in thousands of years. The Borg are the end game in the Star Trek universe.
@@johntorrington2672I don’t know that that’s true. The federation could defeat the Borg a few times, and the dominion was markedly stronger. The dominion also only stagnated because they had no Reason to grow. If the Borg posed a threat to the changelings, they would without a doubt adapt. I think that they also wouldn’t hesitate to ask the federation to help them, and the federation being the federation would help.
"Ancient Aliens" that had visited Earth appeared a couple of times in TOS, most notably in "Who Mourns for Adonais", where the crew meets Apollo. Then there were aliens who copied certain aspects of Human culture, like Parmen's people, and even those that came for nefarious purposes, like Redjac.
I know the dominion had probably hundreds of species under its control, but I think they needed at least one more race to be one of their main ones. The vorta are overseers and the jeml hadar are soldiers. They need a race to operate, build, and repair their ships. Having the jem hadar do it didn't make sense. They didnt live long enough to train in operations and maintenance and their genetic k knowledge if fighting is an unrelated skill
I agree. But if I remember correctly, the Karenma and the Doci (I believe they were called) are also part of the Dominion. Maybe one of them (or another species) performs that function.
Does anyone else think it was nuts when the Federation decided that it was ok for their ships to continue to explore the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion told them to butt out? I guess it's not clear if the Gamma Quadrant terminus of the wormhole was actually in Dominion held space. If it was though, it seems nuts to me that the Federation would be like, too bad, we found this wormhole to a distant quadrant, we're going to invade (explore) it as much as we like. That seems to echo Dax's comment "You're making a mistake if you think that detaining Commander Sisko will stop us from exploring the Gamma Quadrant". What right did the Federation have to explore the Gamma Quadrant? No right as far as I can tell. You can guarantee if the Jem'hadar emerged from a wormhole in Federation space, they would be met with significant force.
Good point. But there is no drama without conflict. At least from a storytelling standpoint. DS9 wouldn't have been the great Trek show that it was without the Dominion War.
The wormhole wasn’t in dominion space as far as we know. It’s more like if aliens explored our solar system now, they’d be on our doorstep but not actually interfering with us, though for the dominions mission that may still be considered interference given they want to eventually rule over all solids to ensure the changelings safety
So wait... You're telling me the Founders could turn into a perfect replica of a rock or a dead leaf, and yet they were being successfully hunted by meatbags like us? How? Just... fold all of your mass into your little pocket dimension and float elsewhere. There's nothing us "solids" can do against that. Or turn into a 10 ft. tall amorphous hulking rage monster and tear their arms off.
We see from Odo and the baby one he adopts that young ones struggle for quite awhile to maintain forms or make them realistic, all of them have to transform back periodically, and we don't actually know the average skill level of a changeling it's possible the ones we see going undercover and all that are exceptionally beyond the average and the regular changeling rarely leaves it's liquid form.
The jem Hadar are my favorite alien warrior species, with their unique personality and outlook and truly excellent makeup giving each one a unique appearance while still being recognizably jem Hadar, reptilian/saurian, and utilitarian. I always wondered about their names though. What do you think was the inspiration of 'jem hadar', 'ometaclan' and 'remataclan', which are cool sounding and unique and sound derivative of an actual spoken language rather than just feeling alien in a human mouth? Also, imo it's far more likely they are recycled before 25 because 25 years is how long it takes for neuro peptides to degrade and require replacement, at least in humans, leading to some with crippling lifelong genetic phobias like arachnophobia losing their phobias as they surpass that age from the simulating primary incident. Since the jem Hadar don't even eat, something similar may be happening with their brains, with their true native state being thoughtful, independent and concerned for their own kind rather than servile, just like that one jem Hadar anomaly encountered by Bashir and Miles. He ate, and maybe eating while having nothing to fight or pursue kick-started a latent autophagy and renewal process that sped up the loss of old prejudices. Also, since their bony ridges only occur at their ridges, and since they are designed to be elite warriors, it seems less likely that their bodies are designed to painfully lose flexibility over time. Two final notes, maybe psychic powers are how vorta memories get transferred, as changelings seem to have some sort of psychic draw to one another and even to discarded pieces of their own bodies, drawing them back to a complete form when not under a suppression field, possibly because they are all connected on some other dimension. It's possible they drew from that to create the vorta. One final note is that I think the female changeling once mentioned their kind originally being like the solids long ago, which explains how they so easily converted odo into a humanoid. I still like the fan theory that they were the original progenitor species that seeded the galaxy with humanoid life, and they've simply forgotten or split off from that group.
It's been a long time since I've even delved into the Star Trek universe(s). I had barely scratched the beginning of the "Dominion War" when circumstances beyond my control forced me to put this (and a great many other things) on hold. So please forgive if my comment seems woefully out of date. Going on your description of some of the physiological processes of the Jem' Hadar, I wonder if maybe they might share a common link to another Gamma Quadrant race: the Tosc (DS9 season 1).
I never really got into ds9 but I would have like to see more of the structural empire of the Dominican. Like more of the species that inhabit it and what there roles are.
I think 10,000 years ago they evolved into changelings but established the dominion over that time. They are after all timeless. It could be argued that the dominion started their expansion 2000 years ago perfecting the vorta and Jemhadar before going public!
I agree 10000 years ago is when they evolved into changelings. Time is meaningless and during that time they perfected the jem hadar and the vorta and would have observed solids fighting each other and xenophobia. However I think they can absorb knowledge more than a solid. ODO mentioned that he remembers everything and was annoyed that humans compulsion to record information!! This trait helps with the genetic engineering and since time is not a factor they established the Dominion flag on their planet and expanded out!!! Their warp drive might have developed in the last 600 years or stolen from solids at the time as their espionage is second to none in the galaxy . The Dominion is a patient adversary and prefers to think centuries ahead. Wouldn’t surprise me if they knew of the alpha quadrant centuries before the federation !!! They would have obtained that from the hurq and most likely the t-Rogarans!! I also think the vorta Do reproduce normally but those who achieve greatness to the founders are cloned !!! I don’t think they will have the resources to clone the population of an entire species ! After all we only see nine WEYOUNS. The clones may be defective in taste and artistic expression but the original may have them so that their culture could progress on a slower cultural scale !!
Since Changlings seem to be nearly immortal, they probably have been around 10,000 years and no wonder they perfected cloning. They only way to make your servants as long lived.
On the Ancient Alien theory, you missed the TNG episode where Humans, Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians found out they shared a genetic template. Funny enough the actress that plays the Female Changeling appeared as the aliens who claimed to have seeded each world.
Regarding the theory(ies) about Odo's mass/weight and the glass on Rom's tray: I mean, everyone(!) underestimates Rom. And maybe he has to keep pretending and flying under the radar, like a certain other DS9 Character. So maybe Rom is just incredibly strong and really doesn't give a sh*t. *shrug*?
I don't for a second believe the sob story told by the Founders about their past "unreasonable repression". Not withstanding that it came from a Weyoun-line Vorta (who, while a traitor to the Dominion, still believed the Founders were Gods), I find it far more likely that the Founders were ALWAYS trying to infiltrate and manipulate Solids, but they were burned too many times by the Solids' natural reactions to their attempts at, then "good natured", manipulation and control. Given the nature of the Great Link, they never really understood individuality and so this ignorance eventually became a willful disdain for Solids, that was then fueled by the natural desire for order into a real hatred of Solids.
What if the larger shape Odo assumed was his total mass? And the mass of the Changeling doesn't actually change? What if they 'store' the unused mass in plain sight? When we see the glass shatter, Odo is able to 'pull himself together', which shows all the separate pieces can act individually. What if the rest of him was a thin layer spread over the floor? Thus, when he takes human form, he leave the rest of himself behind in his quarters, as a floor lamp or some-such?
I think both "timelines" are correct in a sense. The changlelings are 10000 years old as we know them now. Might also be the time they uplifted the vorta. 2000 years ago is when they created the jem'hadar
That is the case with common folks, because they have been mind polluted away from seeing the treasures of the self and the value of mastery of their own self. They cannot or will not do their own thinking, and are victims of conditioned helplessness. Instead they surrender that mastery without questioning to external masters who direct their thinking to believe that image and perspective is everything. This means that they mindlessly conform and comply to unquestioned authority, thereby becoming unwitting mind-slaves "who are readily "Out-thunk" by their masters. Much to be said about going to your own "control room," and take control of your control room, to maintain control.
When transforming into smaller objects, could the changeling theoretically convert a large portion of their mass into air? So they could have the main object they turned into be the correct weight while still having the rest of their mass nearby
had a thought about the dominion age thing, what if it's in a way both? What if it was where the Dominion were initially founded 10,000 years ago however the dominion in their MODERN state wouldn't come to be until 2,000 years ago? Probably easy to disprove but was just a thought
I'm glad the in discovery when they showed a changeling that they didn't show it changing (probably would've butchered it like the Klingons when they tried too hard). That means they can still do what I want, and that is for them to still look like 90's CGI so that instead of it making DS9 look like bad CGI it will instead just be how it's supposed to look.
When I first watched the series back while it was a live series, I swear I thought they were saying “The Great Lake” not Link. Just because it looked like a big lake when they were together and it truly sounded like they were saying lake. Wasn’t until I watched an episode with a deaf friend and he had the CC turned on did I see they were saying Link. I know this has nothing to do with nothing, just an weird thing.
Not saying it still wouldn't be inconceivably hard to do, but shouldn't it at least be a tiny bit easier to implant memories into the brain of a clone of the original bearer of those memories? Then again, what little we know about how memory formation, retention and recall still points to the problem that our brains change all the time, making and breaking connections, so unless you take the brain scan and the DNA sample at the exact same time it still probably wouldn't make the process any easier, and then you still wouldn't retain any of the memories between your scan and your subsequent death. Also it opens up another can of worms with whether said clone would really be a reincarnation of you, I mean, I'm with the Vorta. If a clone with a copy of my memories and personality woke up after I was dead, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that it wouldn't consider itself to be me, because I wouldn't. I would consider it to be a different person, but I could also easily accept that it would be a different person with my current memories and personality, so numbers make perfect sense.
But weren't the Jemhadar a bunch of junkies hooked on Ketracell White? Didn't Lor break some of them out of their addiction? Or was it Dr. Julian? The Jemhadar were only controllable through a drug. The Founders were the dealers. The addiction was being broken under supervision and research of Bashir. I thought.
I would love to know your thoughts on the outcome of a showdown between the borg and the dominion. The Borg would be able to assimilate Jem’Hadar but would they be able to keep them alive without ketracil white? The Vorta would likely kill themselves before being assimilated to protect the founders, so even if they knew how to make the white, they wouldn’t easily let the Borg get that info. Could the founders even be assimilated? How would nanotech interact with their biology? If they could be assimilated how would that change the trajectory of Borg evolution??? 🤯
No, the Jem-Hadar are too seperated from humanoids. They are more reptillian and they are genetically engineered to serve the Founders. Natural geneological and instinctual loyalty destroys makeshift, fabricated or cybernetic loyalty as the Borg are just shells moving around like lumbering robots
Even a young Changeling would destroy Terminator's T1000. They can turn into fire and that's what kills a T1000 as they are just liquid metal. I went ahead and spoiled "Deathbattle" LOL!
If you think of The Changelings like an intelligent shapeshifting water like liquid. Ice the solid form of water is lighter than the liquid form and the gaseous form is lighter still. So what if Odo shapeshifted into a glass filled with pressurized gas light enough not to be noticed?
Kinda weird how half the video is multi-minute-long science tangents (was it really necessary to give a history of IVF when mentioning the Jem'Hadar?) , but overall good compilation of information.
So...what exactly is the problem with tying the science in these episodes to real-world analogues? If my videos were simply a summary of the lore, that would bore me to death honestly...so much of this information is just stuff people can read on the wikis. But because not everyone has read or has time to read the wikis, I include that information as background. If I have too much of one vs. the other, people inevitably complain lol. Glad you enjoyed the compilation overall
I always found uplifting as a silly concept once more useful ideas like genetic engineering and artificial intelligence which made it clear that any potential future servitor races wood in my opinion be most likely wholly artificial and not just artificially enhanced
"They remember who Houdini is?" yes, the literature/entertainment of the future in Star Trek is based mostly on the history of Earth, almost like creative types stopped being able to write compelling quality stories post formation of the United Earth and Federation of Planets.
I tried to covert the DS9 footage to 4K using AI upscaling software, but it kept messing up the faces. Some people have had success experimenting with this tech in short bursts, but I hope you'll forgive me for not being able to magically deliver DS9 in ultra-HD. WE NEED A REMASTER!
34:56 was that A-word "all-the-way"?
We've needed a remaster for years. We only got a smattering seen in the brilliant documentary 'What We Left Behind'. Mainly the battle in 'Sacrifice of Angeles'
I would bet 99.9% of your viewers have those faces memorized.
Practical realtime AI interpolation will be commonly available within a few years anyhow.
Streaming video services will probably offer viewers a variety of options for watching old shows at higher-than-original resolutions. They may even offer features such as face-substitution for viewers who particularly like or dislike certain performers.
It's not even sci-fi magic anymore. It's just a question of hardware costs and legal details.
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Jeffrey Combs was awesome as Weyoun. He is a vastly underrated actor.
He killed every part he did. Are we familiar with Herbert West?
Every role he took fuckin rocked, Shran the andorian captain was my personal favorite in enterprise
Great vid as always, the dominion to me is the "borg of DS9" in the sense of being a original character (or race) to a series. I absolutely think the mystery of the dominion and the slow revealing of their structure is some of the most interesting writing in the entire series.
I still get goosebumps every time I get to the first encounter with the Jem'Hadar, then Quark finding out about this mysterious "Dominion". They really did a bang up job with the writing of the Dominion and how they revealed it.
I love the way you overthink. 👍
Haha, someone's got to!
I've watched every one of these episodes before and I just watched them all again. Great work; keep 'em coming!
I could easily see changelings becoming large solar sails catching tachyon waves.
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Oh wow Awesome!!! Awesome, Awesome, sweet, and more awesome!!!!
I think it's interesting how they basically made him a shapeshifter because the T1000 technology was no longer cost-prohibitive and it was a really cool effect to draw people in ("will he shape shift in this episode?"). Of course now all this stuff is canon we have people like you trying to figure it all out, and maybe even some of this is discussed in official technical manuals, but it's all just "editing in post" so-to-speak to cover up that they just wanted to use a really kickass effect from T2.
When you started mentioning using an alternate dimensional space to funnel mass into, it totally reminded me of how some transformers are giant robots but can still transform into small human sized and weighted boomboxes
I believe in TF its referred to as "mass-shifting". Its kind of a fan explanation but how it works is the extra mass is moved into "subspace" essentially a void between dimensions.
My theory with regard to Founder reproduction is that in the link, they are pure thought patterns and that together they are an even greater set of thought patterns that mingle and change over time. Essentially, they are all thought in the medium of the liquid-like organic material. In the link, they individuated when new and unique thought processes emerge from the already flowing thought processes of the Changelings as a whole. Think of it as programs running on hardware and the software interacts and their emerges a glitch that was unforeseen. In this case, that glitch is a new unique Founder that then grows and evolves into a fully sentient and individuated mind. When they want to explore they simply gather some of the liquid medium to them, disconnecting their unique mental processes from the whole and leave the Great Link. The liquid form isn't their body in a true sense, but rather just a piece of the medium that holds their mental processes. If they separate a newly formed mind from the rest of the link and then send it off, it will grow slowly into a sentient being, but only if it has stimulus to teach it. Thus Oddo grew to be who he was, who was a being different from other Founders. When he returned to the Link, his mind shared his experiences with the rest of the minds in the link. Each Changeling is an emergent property of the interactions of all the Changelings in the Link.They don't have a mother and father, but emerged from the whole.
I had forgotten that changelings could become objects like electronics. That happened in the animated series with the Vendorian. He became part of the deflector dish.
Oddly enough a Galactic Dominion would be a fairly peaceful galaxy under the protection of the Jem'Hadar.
yes but if a borg scout ship finds out that part of of the galaxy and the tech it holds trouble.
As long as nobody created “chaos” less they suffer a quickening.
Think of it like the mongol empire, they were pretty chill if you were chill and did what they wanted, but if not they burn your city and everyone in it. A galactic dominion may be peaceful, but the amount of death to get there would be insane
I have always found the changelings choice to abandon 100 of their children into space deeply disturbing. Honestly, of all the things they did, that's the one that I find the most upsetting, especially given their history.
I don’t think you are understanding this race. You are transcribing human characteristics to the Changelings. Remember one drop bc an ocean and an ocean becomes a drop. To them sending out changelings into space is almost like sending themselves out into space in hopes that they will return. Almost like when we send out an expedition to the unknown. You are seeing it as a negative when in fact it’s a positive. To explore. To learn.
@@nxreliant1864 That argument makes sense if the babies, and they call them babies, not explorers, had any skills. Odo was found unable to even create a form. They couldn't even tell he was a living specimen. The took the most vulnerable drops in their ocean and just hoped they'd get back to them, and it was just a test. And we see the pain in Odo from the very beginning when he says he doesn't know where he comes from.
I'm not sure if baby is the right word for them. I wonder if Odo left an adult, lost mass (and with it knowledge/neural development) over centuries in the void without any source of caloric intake, and arrived with the equivalent of brain damage. If changelings in the pre-Dominion days basically never skipped stoppiny in every star system for energy binges they might not have known how detrimental spending as long in interstellar space as the 100 were going to would be.
I get that, but creating a race with an in built dependency to a substance only they (through the Vorta) can provide? Downright EVIL.
Yeah, some Tyranid vibes there.
I enjoyed this very much, thank you Tyler.
Thank you so much Brad!
@@OrangeRiver i know you Review Comics normally but could you review the new star Trek Comic
23:40 "Have you met the average person?"
Well of course I know him, he's me.
Remember when Odo said "it's Morphin time"
Odo Grape 🍇 me🥺
I believed that the Dominion is the BEST adversary in the Star Trek universe
dominion vs the borg.
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Thing about it is that you can do so much more with the Dominion than you can with the Borg from a story telling standpoint. Notice how later TNG and Voyager both struggled with Borg stories despite how good they were as villains. It’s why I was ultimately disappointed in season 3 of Picard; I was really hoping that the Dominion were making a comeback. Instead it became another Borg story.
The mass issue with changelings cones from assuming Odo isn't very lightweight. He could weigh very little and compensate for being flimsy by selectively hardening places where he touches other people or things, and didn't blow away in the wind by creating little grippers on the bottom of his feet like bugs have. There's also not much of a limit on his strength because he doesn't rely on muscles like we do and there's no telling how strong the bonds of his molecules are.
Great video thank you so much please keep up your amazing work stay safe and happy Halloween
Excellent Video man! Bravo 👏
Thank you Tommy!
@@OrangeRiver Hey Tyler, I have a suggestion. Maybe you would consider doing another video on the lost era. This one would chronicle the launch of the Enterprise B, the Tomed Incident, the Enterprise C, and the cardaissain wars. These would lead up to the launch of the Enterprise D. During this time frame you could also discuss indepth the of evolution of the Monster Maroon uniforms as well. The lost era is one of my favorite era, cause of the TWOK uniforms! I think it would be pretty cool to attempt to explain it more. Thanks for your consideration.
I think at the very least some of those topics can be covered in individual videos, but I'll keep the suggestion in mind! Multiple people have asked me about a return to the Lost Era, and I certainly like timeline videos...I won't rule it out ;)
I always imagined the origin of the changelings being like a spore game that stays in the cell stage up till the space age
21:45 love the way you add jokes when least expected 😂
Good morning I am always happy when you put out interesting information about the many races of Star Trek THANKS
Totally not a Trekkie here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but if Changelings can turn themselves even into gases, I don't think it's too far fetched that the one who turned into a glass had the rest of their mass floating around the glass as an invisible gas cloud, so theoretically there shouldn't be a limit to how little they can be perceived to weigh, as long as their weight doesn't surpass their mass
Just going about your day on the station and you accidentally breathe Odo
The Dominion has endured for two thousand years and will continue to endure long after the Federation has crumbled into dust
Is it just me, or does the Dominion logo look like a bong? @0:06
Earth Final Conflict---Uplifting Humans!!!!!
After exhaustive research I’ve concluded that the changlings abilities are tied to the Mycelial Network.
THE MYCELIAL NETWORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*slaps bridge console *
@@mrichar9this bad boy can fit so many tardigrades
What I would find fascinating, and I wish the new series would explore this, is what first contact between the Dominion and the Borg, or the Q, or any of the other Uber races would be like.
I feel Discovery has a real opportunity here to explore what the aftermath of such a said event would be on the Dominion, or any such other race.
Considering how many nigh-omnipotent species were encountered in the original series, I'm guessing the many god-like beings of the Trek universe just sort of avoid each other because it's embarrassing to be seen together by lesser beings like us... Related to that I'd always assumed Q visited the Prophets before and/or after seeing Sisko when he visited DS9
Given the static structure of the Dominion, the Borg would absolutely annihilate them in a very short period. The Borg are the ultimate extension of Darwinian adaptation, the Dominion in contrast, hasn't changed in thousands of years.
The Borg are the end game in the Star Trek universe.
@@johntorrington2672I don’t know that that’s true. The federation could defeat the Borg a few times, and the dominion was markedly stronger. The dominion also only stagnated because they had no Reason to grow. If the Borg posed a threat to the changelings, they would without a doubt adapt. I think that they also wouldn’t hesitate to ask the federation to help them, and the federation being the federation would help.
Has anybody seen the movie, "Enemy Mine"
Fan : "How do the changelings alter their mass when morphing?"
Berman : "I don't know. Transformers did it."
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Great summary!
"Ancient Aliens" that had visited Earth appeared a couple of times in TOS, most notably in "Who Mourns for Adonais", where the crew meets Apollo. Then there were aliens who copied certain aspects of Human culture, like Parmen's people, and even those that came for nefarious purposes, like Redjac.
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I know the dominion had probably hundreds of species under its control, but I think they needed at least one more race to be one of their main ones. The vorta are overseers and the jeml hadar are soldiers. They need a race to operate, build, and repair their ships. Having the jem hadar do it didn't make sense. They didnt live long enough to train in operations and maintenance and their genetic k knowledge if fighting is an unrelated skill
I agree. But if I remember correctly, the Karenma and the Doci (I believe they were called) are also part of the Dominion. Maybe one of them (or another species) performs that function.
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The Annunaki also created Scooby Doo's talking dog subspecies.
Does anyone else think it was nuts when the Federation decided that it was ok for their ships to continue to explore the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion told them to butt out? I guess it's not clear if the Gamma Quadrant terminus of the wormhole was actually in Dominion held space. If it was though, it seems nuts to me that the Federation would be like, too bad, we found this wormhole to a distant quadrant, we're going to invade (explore) it as much as we like. That seems to echo Dax's comment "You're making a mistake if you think that detaining Commander Sisko will stop us from exploring the Gamma Quadrant". What right did the Federation have to explore the Gamma Quadrant? No right as far as I can tell. You can guarantee if the Jem'hadar emerged from a wormhole in Federation space, they would be met with significant force.
Good point. But there is no drama without conflict. At least from a storytelling standpoint. DS9 wouldn't have been the great Trek show that it was without the Dominion War.
The wormhole wasn’t in dominion space as far as we know. It’s more like if aliens explored our solar system now, they’d be on our doorstep but not actually interfering with us, though for the dominions mission that may still be considered interference given they want to eventually rule over all solids to ensure the changelings safety
Everyone know that the Great Link is just a pool of LCL
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" He's got you there, Yelgrin! "
In Clive Barker's novel The Great and Secret Show one of the characters (can't remember his name) is an "uplifted" chimpanzee.
So wait... You're telling me the Founders could turn into a perfect replica of a rock or a dead leaf, and yet they were being successfully hunted by meatbags like us?
How? Just... fold all of your mass into your little pocket dimension and float elsewhere. There's nothing us "solids" can do against that. Or turn into a 10 ft. tall amorphous hulking rage monster and tear their arms off.
Maybe they were arrogant/ignorant.
We see from Odo and the baby one he adopts that young ones struggle for quite awhile to maintain forms or make them realistic, all of them have to transform back periodically, and we don't actually know the average skill level of a changeling it's possible the ones we see going undercover and all that are exceptionally beyond the average and the regular changeling rarely leaves it's liquid form.
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It's fascinating that No matter what Race of creature is on star trek they all have the same hands
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Not all do, they’ve portrayed some with 4 fingers but yeah, they don’t put much effort into making anything but the face alien
The Founders are wise in all things.
They evidently lack any aesthetic sense. No beauty, art, or expression aside from what they mimic of other forms.
The jem Hadar are my favorite alien warrior species, with their unique personality and outlook and truly excellent makeup giving each one a unique appearance while still being recognizably jem Hadar, reptilian/saurian, and utilitarian. I always wondered about their names though. What do you think was the inspiration of 'jem hadar', 'ometaclan' and 'remataclan', which are cool sounding and unique and sound derivative of an actual spoken language rather than just feeling alien in a human mouth?
Also, imo it's far more likely they are recycled before 25 because 25 years is how long it takes for neuro peptides to degrade and require replacement, at least in humans, leading to some with crippling lifelong genetic phobias like arachnophobia losing their phobias as they surpass that age from the simulating primary incident. Since the jem Hadar don't even eat, something similar may be happening with their brains, with their true native state being thoughtful, independent and concerned for their own kind rather than servile, just like that one jem Hadar anomaly encountered by Bashir and Miles. He ate, and maybe eating while having nothing to fight or pursue kick-started a latent autophagy and renewal process that sped up the loss of old prejudices. Also, since their bony ridges only occur at their ridges, and since they are designed to be elite warriors, it seems less likely that their bodies are designed to painfully lose flexibility over time.
Two final notes, maybe psychic powers are how vorta memories get transferred, as changelings seem to have some sort of psychic draw to one another and even to discarded pieces of their own bodies, drawing them back to a complete form when not under a suppression field, possibly because they are all connected on some other dimension. It's possible they drew from that to create the vorta.
One final note is that I think the female changeling once mentioned their kind originally being like the solids long ago, which explains how they so easily converted odo into a humanoid. I still like the fan theory that they were the original progenitor species that seeded the galaxy with humanoid life, and they've simply forgotten or split off from that group.
That is a good point but most Jem’Hadar do not live past 25, most die young
who what win in the fight the Borg from Star Trek all the Dominion and why?
That outro tune slaps hard.
It's been a long time since I've even delved into the Star Trek universe(s). I had barely scratched the beginning of the "Dominion War" when circumstances beyond my control forced me to put this (and a great many other things) on hold. So please forgive if my comment seems woefully out of date.
Going on your description of some of the physiological processes of the Jem' Hadar, I wonder if maybe they might share a common link to another Gamma Quadrant race: the Tosc (DS9 season 1).
Jeffrey combs is probably my favorite actor on st. So many great characters.
And the dr on ent.
In one of the DS9 novels there was another race who served as the prison guards of the Dominion.
I never really got into ds9 but I would have like to see more of the structural empire of the Dominican. Like more of the species that inhabit it and what there roles are.
Fun Fact: the Changlings have been kicked out of over 100 systems.
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I think 10,000 years ago they evolved into changelings but established the dominion over that time. They are after all timeless. It could be argued that the dominion started their expansion 2000 years ago perfecting the vorta and Jemhadar before going public!
I agree 10000 years ago is when they evolved into changelings. Time is meaningless and during that time they perfected the jem hadar and the vorta and would have observed solids fighting each other and xenophobia. However I think they can absorb knowledge more than a solid. ODO mentioned that he remembers everything and was annoyed that humans compulsion to record information!! This trait helps with the genetic engineering and since time is not a factor they established the Dominion flag on their planet and expanded out!!! Their warp drive might have developed in the last 600 years or stolen from solids at the time as their espionage is second to none in the galaxy .
The Dominion is a patient adversary and prefers to think centuries ahead. Wouldn’t surprise me if they knew of the alpha quadrant centuries before the federation !!! They would have obtained that from the hurq and most likely the t-Rogarans!!
I also think the vorta Do reproduce normally but those who achieve greatness to the founders are cloned !!! I don’t think they will have the resources to clone the population of an entire species ! After all we only see nine WEYOUNS. The clones may be defective in taste and artistic expression but the original may have them so that their culture could progress on a slower cultural scale !!
You know what else growing babies in tube could do? Literally commodify a work force, or an Army.
Maybe the changelings reproduce through a type of mitosis. Like Yaphit from The Orville is able to do.
im still hoping for "all the way" jokes
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Since Changlings seem to be nearly immortal, they probably have been around 10,000 years and no wonder they perfected cloning. They only way to make your servants as long lived.
On the Ancient Alien theory, you missed the TNG episode where Humans, Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians found out they shared a genetic template.
Funny enough the actress that plays the Female Changeling appeared as the aliens who claimed to have seeded each world.
he knows about it and the progenitors
wow the changelinks could take over a borg cube with ease and absorbe the cubes technology.
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"Have you met the average person?" I have, and you are correct sir.
Do the other shape shifting species 1. Know of each other? 2. Are they friendly towards each other?
Regarding the theory(ies) about Odo's mass/weight and the glass on Rom's tray: I mean, everyone(!) underestimates Rom. And maybe he has to keep pretending and flying under the radar, like a certain other DS9 Character. So maybe Rom is just incredibly strong and really doesn't give a sh*t. *shrug*?
Odo could not communicate with With other Changelings until they joined.
well in TOS uplifting was in who mourns for Adonis where it’s expressed that the Greek gods did exist
You should read Children of Time if you haven't, very interesting uplift-focused sci-fi novel
While I am here, thanks for all the interesting videos!
This is the first time I've ever heard that the space aliens building the pyramids was a racist creation , but it makes perfect sense.
I don't for a second believe the sob story told by the Founders about their past "unreasonable repression". Not withstanding that it came from a Weyoun-line Vorta (who, while a traitor to the Dominion, still believed the Founders were Gods), I find it far more likely that the Founders were ALWAYS trying to infiltrate and manipulate Solids, but they were burned too many times by the Solids' natural reactions to their attempts at, then "good natured", manipulation and control.
Given the nature of the Great Link, they never really understood individuality and so this ignorance eventually became a willful disdain for Solids, that was then fueled by the natural desire for order into a real hatred of Solids.
Are we even sure that the changelings are organic? Personally, may have been a form of smart matter. Ninites, that became sentient.
What if the larger shape Odo assumed was his total mass? And the mass of the Changeling doesn't actually change? What if they 'store' the unused mass in plain sight? When we see the glass shatter, Odo is able to 'pull himself together', which shows all the separate pieces can act individually. What if the rest of him was a thin layer spread over the floor? Thus, when he takes human form, he leave the rest of himself behind in his quarters, as a floor lamp or some-such?
I think both "timelines" are correct in a sense. The changlelings are 10000 years old as we know them now. Might also be the time they uplifted the vorta. 2000 years ago is when they created the jem'hadar
That is the case with common folks, because they have been mind polluted away from seeing the treasures of the self and the value of mastery of their own self.
They cannot or will not do their own thinking, and are victims of conditioned helplessness.
Instead they surrender that mastery without questioning to external masters who direct their thinking to believe that image and perspective is everything.
This means that they mindlessly conform and comply to unquestioned authority, thereby becoming unwitting mind-slaves "who are readily "Out-thunk" by their masters.
Much to be said about going to your own "control room," and take control of your control room, to maintain control.
If the great link is so great why isn’t there a great link 2? (Or Great Link-A)
Are the liquid beings from the Demon planet in Voyager another race similar to the changelings, but in a very early stage of evolution?
When transforming into smaller objects, could the changeling theoretically convert a large portion of their mass into air? So they could have the main object they turned into be the correct weight while still having the rest of their mass nearby
had a thought about the dominion age thing, what if it's in a way both?
What if it was where the Dominion were initially founded 10,000 years ago however the dominion in their MODERN state wouldn't come to be until 2,000 years ago?
Probably easy to disprove but was just a thought
The Dominion is kinda akin to a universe, where the Federation, had continued with eugenics - without all that twisty shapey stuff
I'm glad the in discovery when they showed a changeling that they didn't show it changing (probably would've butchered it like the Klingons when they tried too hard). That means they can still do what I want, and that is for them to still look like 90's CGI so that instead of it making DS9 look like bad CGI it will instead just be how it's supposed to look.
When I first watched the series back while it was a live series, I swear I thought they were saying “The Great Lake” not Link. Just because it looked like a big lake when they were together and it truly sounded like they were saying lake. Wasn’t until I watched an episode with a deaf friend and he had the CC turned on did I see they were saying Link. I know this has nothing to do with nothing, just an weird thing.
Not saying it still wouldn't be inconceivably hard to do, but shouldn't it at least be a tiny bit easier to implant memories into the brain of a clone of the original bearer of those memories?
Then again, what little we know about how memory formation, retention and recall still points to the problem that our brains change all the time, making and breaking connections, so unless you take the brain scan and the DNA sample at the exact same time it still probably wouldn't make the process any easier, and then you still wouldn't retain any of the memories between your scan and your subsequent death.
Also it opens up another can of worms with whether said clone would really be a reincarnation of you, I mean, I'm with the Vorta. If a clone with a copy of my memories and personality woke up after I was dead, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that it wouldn't consider itself to be me, because I wouldn't. I would consider it to be a different person, but I could also easily accept that it would be a different person with my current memories and personality, so numbers make perfect sense.
The Jem Hadar don't teach full maturity in 3 days, all that's said is they are "able to fight" within 3 days.
Thank you. These videos are so interesting
But weren't the Jemhadar a bunch of junkies hooked on Ketracell White? Didn't Lor break some of them out of their addiction? Or was it Dr. Julian? The Jemhadar were only controllable through a drug. The Founders were the dealers. The addiction was being broken under supervision and research of Bashir. I thought.
I would love to know your thoughts on the outcome of a showdown between the borg and the dominion. The Borg would be able to assimilate Jem’Hadar but would they be able to keep them alive without ketracil white? The Vorta would likely kill themselves before being assimilated to protect the founders, so even if they knew how to make the white, they wouldn’t easily let the Borg get that info. Could the founders even be assimilated? How would nanotech interact with their biology? If they could be assimilated how would that change the trajectory of Borg evolution??? 🤯
No, the Jem-Hadar are too seperated from humanoids. They are more reptillian and they are genetically engineered to serve the Founders. Natural geneological and instinctual loyalty destroys makeshift, fabricated or cybernetic loyalty as the Borg are just shells moving around like lumbering robots
I enjoyed this video very much..👍🏼
Thanks Charles!
Odo turning into a chair..
“I feel like a sofa”
Vorta have telekinesis but they just never had a need to use it. At least in my head. Does anybody know of any books where Vorta use it?
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Are all Vorta clones? I always thought it was just the Weyouns. Other Vorta we meet don't seem to be clones, though I may be mistaken.
Even a young Changeling would destroy Terminator's T1000. They can turn into fire and that's what kills a T1000 as they are just liquid metal. I went ahead and spoiled "Deathbattle" LOL!
If you think of The Changelings like an intelligent shapeshifting water like liquid. Ice the solid form of water is lighter than the liquid form and the gaseous form is lighter still. So what if Odo shapeshifted into a glass filled with pressurized gas light enough not to be noticed?
Ice is less dense than water and floats.
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Kinda weird how half the video is multi-minute-long science tangents (was it really necessary to give a history of IVF when mentioning the Jem'Hadar?) , but overall good compilation of information.
So...what exactly is the problem with tying the science in these episodes to real-world analogues? If my videos were simply a summary of the lore, that would bore me to death honestly...so much of this information is just stuff people can read on the wikis. But because not everyone has read or has time to read the wikis, I include that information as background. If I have too much of one vs. the other, people inevitably complain lol. Glad you enjoyed the compilation overall
I like the "is it based on anything real" tangents. Star Trek has always been a "harder" science sci-fi show.
I always found uplifting as a silly concept once more useful ideas like genetic engineering and artificial intelligence which made it clear that any potential future servitor races wood in my opinion be most likely wholly artificial and not just artificially enhanced
"They remember who Houdini is?" yes, the literature/entertainment of the future in Star Trek is based mostly on the history of Earth, almost like creative types stopped being able to write compelling quality stories post formation of the United Earth and Federation of Planets.
Or maybe they intercepted our radio signals hosted in every direction into space from the beginning of radio on through to the digital age? Maybe?
Concept idea: Changeling, perhaps one of the 100, that has grown to such mass that it has decided to become an entire planet.