So to be clear: When I say extract remnant, I was slightly mixed up on the Scooper taking out endoskeletons, and yes it injecting remnant is part of Michael coming back. My point still stands that Baby is very aware of how and why she does it, to keep her “dad” alive in some way, and that the other’s realization of this is what causes them to split. Totally valid comments though.
There is another theory that Ennard splits because baby is not part of the group. As in literally not part, as the other funtimes are created from a mixed remnant which makes them want to become "whole" again as Ennard. When they realise baby is her own complete remnant, they kick her out. More plausible than the "you helped our killer" thing
The Silver Eyes even supports the idea of the Spring Bonnie suit protecting William. Whenever he has it on, the souls don't see him as an adult or killer, they just see Spring Bonnie. This is double-downed with what you mentioned in this video. Good stuff.
This along with "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child" reminds me of stories I'd hear about young kids at places like Chuck E. Cheese's being traumatized if they ever saw the actor coming out of their mascot suit.
@GATAZO yes the spirits are very forgetful I'm pretty sure they even forget who they are but only remember the face of the killer bc blah blah trauma remnant feelings emotions etc.
I always viewed the William going into the suit as a sort of, abused dog seeing a belt or something like that, where William being in the suit would scare the ghosts away reminding them of what happened last time they saw him in that suit, as that would not Only stop Golden Freddy but the other spirits as well But the idea of him using springbonnie the Same way as we use the Freddy Mask in fnaf 2 works too
Never thought about that connection with the FNaF 2 masks and William going for the suit to protect himself, very nice eye. The whole Michael coming back to life thing sounds solid but it's also worth noting that remnant seems to straight up have healing properties as shown in the Tales from the Pizzaplex story "Frailty". ImpulseEvan actually made a pretty good video discussing remnant and how it seems to work.
Bruh is reaching so hard with that one dude, it’s not even funny. It’s literally based entirely on speculation of “If A is correct, then D must be true”
It's also interesting to me that if the bite victim was (one of the, if not) the first one to die, his fear of "being stuffed into a suit" (from seeing an employee getting help putting a springlock suit on) could have inspired the way William actually killed/hid the bodies of some of the kids later on- especially since it seems the fredbear plush could well be William talking to the crying child/bite victim etc
I still think it makes the most sense to have Evan’s death be first in the timeline, it just hits the perfect dominos that lead to the other early deaths, my personal order is that the MCI happens last of these events, mostly because of William basically losing any bit of sanity after Elizabeth’s death.
@@siresquawks Honestly I think the reason that the MCI happens last is because, why would William decide to murder 5 random kids before deciding to make the funtimes, the only justification is the idea that funtimes were made from parts of the original 4 + Fredbear. Which even then is more or less a book canon thing. Also I feel the reason Micheal didn’t try to stop Elizabeth’s death if it took place after Evan’s, is because the Afton family divorced and Micheal’s mother took custody of him, leaving Elizabeth alone with her father.
@@smashers6971 i would think william would make the funtimes after the manual murders, to make it significantly easier and less risky. the other way around doesnt make that much sense, if he had killer robots, why would he go and kill them himself and risk getting caught (he also supposedly did get caught at some point according to fnaf 1s missing children newspapers)
The bite victim being scared of the springlock suits makes so much sense. As a diehard fan, I just never put two and two together as to why he is not scared of anything else related to the Fazbear franchise, but is specifically scared of Fredbear for whatever reason. It’s a great plot point to have the child be in love with the anthropomorphic characters, yet be horrified at the sight of one of them with a human being stuffed inside. Tying that into the quote of his misunderstanding of the situation just brings it all home.
I think the reason for Golden Freddy being unable to kill you while you have the mask or tablet up, because they need you see them fully in order to kill your mind and/or drain your sanity. They're somewhat like SCP's pattern screamers
The ''what is seen in shadows line'' effectively confirms BV>Charlie>MCI>Elizabeth order of deaths. If Bite Victim's fears are accounted for elsewhere other than another kid's death(like with the springlock suits) then all the pieces fall into place. BV dies, William kills Charlie in retaliation(I'd assume it's because Henry built those animatronics but I think the Freddy Files contradict that?), kills 5 other kids(give gifts, give life), experiments with remnant and funtimes and then Elizabeth dies. If Charlie or Elizabeth die first then William has no proper motivation for killing Charlie and building funtimes, it's kind of dumb.
"Later that Night" kinda proves charlie died first, probably due to jealousy since William was pretty jealous with Henry in the books. But yeah, I doubt BV saw Charlie die.
@@DeltaTheToon If you believe that BV is the one who ran away in Later that night, sure. If you're like me and think that it's Michael who ran away, nothing changes for the timeline I've presented. BV>Charlie>LTN>MCI>Elizabeth. Also, I don't consider jealousy a good motivation for killing, at least for a fictional story. Getting revenge by killing the child of the man who made the animatronic that killed your child at least makes some sense(if Henry really did build them).
actually , I can really see William making The Funtimes just because he wants to (maybe as a challenge to himself) or killing Charlie for absolutely no reason. Think about it: if William managed to build the Funtime animatronics (which are obviously a hell of alot more complex and advanced than any other animatronics) then he must've been a genius. a master at Engineering. so , in his glory days when he knew that he could build impressive machines with no effort , of course he must've wanted to prove to himself that he can build anything. that he is the best engineer ever. so , as an ambitious project just for the hell of it he made The Funtimes. I can certainly see that. and about Charlie being killed first even though he had no motivation ? well , does he really need a motivation ? he is a psychopath , he probably killed those 5 kids just because he wanted to. maybe it made him feel better or more pleased. maybe killing kids made him feel good. can you really expect anything else from a serial killer ? so , of course , William thought he was above consequences and killed Charlie because that was the perfect opportunity to do what he dreamed of doing for years. he committed the crime because he only cared about what he wanted to do or experience. can you really tell me that's unlikely from him ? so , that's my headcanon
I have a question that’s been racking my brain for years! What the hell is the purple glitching Bonnie from the FNAF 3 mini games supposed to represent?!?! I swear I’ve never heard a suitable answer to that. Bonus question: Why was the ghost child in the same mini game hidden slightly out of bounds of the purple barrier & WHY IS HE A DARKER SHADE THEN EVERY GHOST CHILD WE’VE SEEN BEFORE IT?
Purple bonnie is shadow bonnie, same with Purple freddy=Shadow freddy. The reason the spirit is black is, in my opinion, supposed to represent the soul of a person who died in a springlock incident
That character is simply RWQ (shadow bonnie) and there literally is no reason for the kids’ sprite to be slightly darker, it’s just so it looks nicer in the mini game considering the entire mini game is very difficult to see
@@Milo_hAt3r 4 months later and i've arrived at the answer for the reason the sprite is a darker color. It's the puppets spirit. In the happiest day minigame you're controlling the puppet and its a darker color sprite then the other 5 kids. Blew my mind when i found that out.
@@duckman9327 @ITS GARFIN TIME 4 months later and i've arrived at the answer for the reason the sprite is a darker color. It's the puppets spirit. In the happiest day minigame you're controlling the puppet and its a darker color sprite then the other 5 kids. Blew my mind when i found that out.
I never really thought that Micheal got up on his own, and he still is a badass for confronting the mess his father made and living as a corpse. Having some help from his sister doesn't take away anything
That first point is slightly contested by the Scooper device injecting remnant, but it's so cool I'll let it slide. It also has interesting implications for if Henry knows the difference or not. 🤔
Why exactly does Baby want to kill kids? I thought she wasn't happy about the fact that it happened in Sister Location or, even if that's the design quirks hinted towards at the beginning of the game: since when have animatronics wanted to kill children, isn't that specifically something William does?
Maybe to get more Souls/Remnant to power herself and the others. My favorite assumption for the story of Fnaf 6/fpps is that basically. Is basically the scrap animatronics are trying to get more Remnant to fix themselves/bodies. That’s probably the meaning to the phase, ‘to be complete.’ Which ScrapBaby actually mentions in her monologue at the end before Henry cuts her off. Maybe to get stronger bodies or even completely new bodies. Heck might be trying to get their own Humans bodies instead. That’s at least my best guess/interpretation of Baby’s dialogue at the end really means.
A couple reasons, the first being that it’s in Baby’s original coding. Remember William built the SL bots purely for remnant experiments, F Foxy and Ballora being the distractors and F Freddy and Baby being the “storage tanks” to kidnap children. Baby killed Elizabeth because its in her coding to wait until there’s only one child in the room to kidnap her/kill her so William can see how remnant works. The reason Elizabeth herself wants to kill children is because we see (IN THE BOOKS. Can be completely wrong regarding the games) that Liz was obsessed with whatever her father was obsessed with due to Golden Child syndrome, or the child wanting the parents to see them as the perfect continuation of their work/dynasty. William was obsessed with the SL bots so Liz was obsessed with Baby. William wanted to experiment with remnant so Liz wanted to help him. William wanted to kill other children for those experiments? Liz will do anything to make her dad proud of her.
3:15 In my opinion in why William puts on the spring Bonnie suit is because he thinks by putting it on it’ll scare the spirits since he used that to lure them and then kill them
Someone else probably already mentioned it, but I don't think Afton was using the spring bonnie suit to "hide" from the spirits like with the mask in FNAF 2. We don't know if he even had to use the mask against Golden Freddy during his time as a guard, and even then, it's an entirely different context. If he wanted to hide from the ghosts, why did he stand up and laugh? It probably would have been more effective to remain slumped in the corner, hoping that the spirits would give up, but he didn't. It looks more like he wants the spirits to know he's in the suit, relying on their trauma keeping them away from the face of their death.
Not really a misconception but just something I feel everyone forgets. It was the puppet who put the 5 dead children into the animotronic suits, not william.
We see through the silver eyes novels that Afton will stuff people into suits, we see in help wanted Afton luring Gabriel then stuffing him into a suit (not to mention Jeremy and Susie have already been stuffed)
Oh man, I have never realized that Baby made Michael survive, that makes so much more sense and I am not at all disappointed with this knowledge! Coming back through pure willpower alone never made any sense to me, having an actual reason it happened is much better imo!
I don’t like the first two points. The first is pretty solid, but in FNaF 6 we see that the S.C.U.Per injects remnant, which must be why Michael survived. Baby saying ‘You won’t die.’ may just be because she knows this. The second about Golden Freddy is entirely speculation, as we don’t know who is leading the pack. William probably put the suit on because it tricked the children into going into the back room before he killed them, so why wouldn’t it work now? Btw, in one of your points you talked about remnant being extracted from by the S.C.U.Per, but that is incorrect.
Agreed. And I don't think Afton was laughing when he wore the suit on the second point. He was breathing heavily, literal ghosts are materializing in front of him - he should be scared and sweating that caused the springlocks to malfunction.
In The Fourth Closet something similar happens, as after Carlton is injected with Remnant he meets the souls of the missing kids and then Michael Brooks keeps him alive by giving him a piece of himself. Otherwise he wouldn't have survived, as he nearly died from having molten metal injected into him. Same thing probably happened to Mike.
one more thing, a HUGE misconception is that the bite of 83 is because of s springlock failure, why would springlocks have anything to do with an animatronic, which, is ALREADY in animatronic mode so the springlocks cannot be used, have to do with crushing a child's head? It makes no sense.
Why is it so hard to figure out that the reason why William puts on the suit against the kid ghosts, is because the last time he saw them, he had the upperhand by being in the suit. In his mind, he WILL have the upperhand against those same souls if he puts it on. In William Aftons mind, the suit gives him power and an advantage. Imagine if someone used your worst trauma against you in a conflict.
I don't have to imagine, because that exact thing also happened to me in real life. But tangent aside, taking advantage of his victims' trauma is the exact kind of twisted thing that Afton would do.
I think Cassidy attaching herself to afton isn’t like we think but rather her haunting him for the rest of his life until he dies so she can torment him
Thank you for these explanations, because as someone who hasn't actually played the games I get very confused sometimes when it comes to knowing what information is clear to us directly from the games. (Especially when MatPat won't stop reading passages from Fazbear Frights like it's FNAF scriptures).
Reading your pinned comment, I do agree that it was the Scooper that gave him remnant so he can live, but reading through her dialogue, I don't think she mistaken Michael for William, in the beginning of Night 2, she says she doesn't recognize us and throughout the nights she treats us as a random person. Though with that said, she does tell us we won't die only one other time and it's in the fake ending "You must let us inside, isn’t this why you came here, to be with her again? You won’t die and it will only hurt for a moment.“ with a follow up of Elizabeth saying "I know it was an accident..." "Isn’t this why you came here? To be with me again?" "I don’t understand…" "Everything is okay. I’m still here.". So this leads to you are right Baby/Elizabeth thinks Michael is actually her father trying to save her, but the problem is all these lines come from the Fake ending, so would we still consider the fake ending part of the canon lore? 5:30 Yes handunit does say the closing of Freddy Pizza, but you have to read the rest what he says "it was clear that the stage was set - no pun intended - for another contender in children’s entertainment. Unlike most entertainment venues, -> our robotic entertainers are rented out for private parties
Michael literally says “they didn’t recognize me at first but then they thought I was you”. And the accident line could mean she knew that William didn’t mean for her to die. This lines up with all other lines being about her an her connection to the player, which given her personality makes sense. About the Circus Baby’s line, the Closed due to leaks source code states that after they closed Baby’s Pizza world, “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you” referring to the rental service. This means that Pizza world directly proceeds the rental service. And said Pizza world wasn’t even open a full day. Therefore it is far more reasonable to come to the conclusion that he’s referring to brand as a whole since they happen right after each other.
@@siresquawks oh yeah, I did forget Michael's voice lines, you are right. But wouldn't Elizabeth dying before 83 be possible as again BB becoming part of the toy animatronics as well as the fnaf 4 house and Fredbear family diner layout were in the circuit room?
It is confirmed that isn't. It's in SL, the same plush, in Afton's restricted room that watches his house with a device that looks a lot like a walkie talkie. Nothing implies Charlie is the plush, especially since we see in 6 she goes straight from death to the puppet with no in between.
@@siresquawks Wait my only question is that if the plush is William than how is the plush talking to us at the same time the Crying Child sees William putting someone into a spring lock suit? The plush has to be just a hallucination and/or imaginary friend, right?
Not gonna lie when you brought up that quote what is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child everything made sense if I was the crying child and I saw someone getting stuffed into a suit I’d think…holy f**k that bear just ate him
Liz catches that Mike isn’t William in 6 - saying he isn’t who she expected him to be and gloating to him about the purpose Afton gave her by the end as if he’d be unaware or opposed to it - so unless Michael has gone through a second drastic off-screen appearance change from when he was first revived to when he died in 6, it would stand to reason that Baby would either still see him as Will (which she doesn’t) or would’ve never mistook them for one another in the first place. She definitely doesn’t see him as a stranger since she knows Mike is down there to see her specifically in SL. She attempts to murder Michael in 6 and is even low enough to take advantage of his care for her by mimicking her old voice, so his resurrection is likely not due to her non-existent compassion for him.
I think the idea of 6 is everyone involved believes were just some guy. Henry doesn’t realize who we are right away either. He was just planning to get some schmuck off the street and let them go. When Elizabeth gets close for the kill she realizes her mistake. She just believes the entire building and scheme was made by her dad for her. Not necessarily that the person in the back is him.
one other thing that bothers me is that it is common sense that the withered animatronics before they got withered where those one where the first missing 5 childs got stuffed in BUT at least in the end where they got remaked for the fnaf 1 events should the found inside the suits like human bones or even small human remains? or did william at somepoint come back just to clean the animatronics insides OR did some 300iq dumbass just cleaned it and where like "huh may just be some silly toys from kids that somehow got in there imma just throw them in the trash hehe"
It’s unclear how step closer’s possession works, but it’s clearly not Mike’s because Pete can’t move or act only watch. Step closer is not the solution.
In the insanity ending we see blueprints for the scooper and it mentions it’s true purpose isn’t to open up the SL animatronics but to inject them with remnant. Baby seemingly knows this and that’s why she talks about you not dying in the SL endings. Before sister location came out we got a fake troll teaser saying the game was canceled due to leaks. When brightening the image we see text from (presumably) a newspaper article saying how Baby’s Pizza World was open for a day before closing down due to leaks (when in reality it closed down due to Elizabeth’s death) it’s unknown when this happens or how long it takes after Circus Baby rentals opens up but assuming midnight motorists is the Afton house hold and there’s only 3 people inside she might have died before that event.
Maybe William knew that the only way out was to possess the spring bonnie suit/his own body so he laughs being like you lose as I can now live forever but then it’s really painful so he screams when he “dies”
I don't agree with the Elizabeth's part since baby's pizzeria and baby's rentals are two different places, that could both happen at different times. handunit states that baby's rentals opened right after freddy's closed, he never mentioned baby's pizzeria, where Elizabeth died. hence, sister location happens right after the MCI, but Elizabeth's death happens in early 1983. and I do have reasons for why Elizabeth died first, and they are specifically in fnaf 4 and SL. In fnaf 4, there's a room in the house that has a pink bed, a broken mangle toy, and a pink flower picture in the wall. It's obviously Elizabeth's. However, when CC enter's it, all he sees is an empty room. Where is her? As we know, William wasn't able to recover Elizabeth's body since baby was designed to trap and crush the body of her victims inside her stomach. Therefore, sadly, her tomb is empty. In UCN, after ballora kills you she sings an interesting song: "Why do you hide inside this walls? when there's music on my halls. *All I see is and empty room, all I see is an empty tomb" * At least there's literally no other indication for when does it happen.
The issue is you're just wrong about how Circus Baby's is implied to have happened. They are still the same overall brand and animatronics, and Circus Baby's was only open for one day, and would've been moved to the rental facility right away. Plus, HandUnit doesn't say "the rental facility was made after the closing of Freddy's" he says there was a spot for a new face in children's entertainment, which would mean the entire brand/sister location. Not to mention there's nothing in 4 saying that she's dead. Michael isn't in the room at that time and doesn't even have a bedroom but that doesn't mean he was dead, he's just in another place. William isn't even in the house or really seen much in 4 at all, but we know he was alive at this point. We knew he was there.
@@siresquawks I guess you are right about the branding point. However I still believe that the existence of her room in the game and her missing in it is evidence. After all, we basically see all of the afton family in the game. CC as the playable character, Mike appears to scare him and ultimately caused his death, and William appeared in fredbear's. Everyone except her. there's also the song reference in UCN. It really matches.
I think it makes sense as to why Golden Freddy disappears when you put the mask on in FNAF 2. If William Afton's kid is in there (his soul, or whatever, I mean), the one from FNAF 4 who was terrified of the animatronics, he probably sees you as one, gets scared and goes away. What's even worse about this theory is that he's scared of himself as he's now the very animatronic that killed him (I mean technically it was Michael and his friends but you know what I mean). It also kind of gives happiest day a new meaning, the other souls are trying to show him that he doesn't need to be afraid of them and that he can pass on, if that wasn't the meaning already. Please let me know if this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever I made this up as I was typing it😅
I really don't agree with the *why* of Baby resurrecting Michael, though it's obvious she does it via remnant. I truly do not think she would still think he was william after living in his body and also his apartment for days, maybe weeks. Frankly you've got to acknowledge her personality and motivation got 180'd in a retcon and at that point in the story, she would in fact resurrect Michael- because she views him as innocent, and then, herself, go off and be Ennard. It no longer makes as much sense in current lore but it was clearly the intent at that point.
“Baby was innocent” not really. She lied, manipulated, and killed what she thought was her dad to leave, and bullies the other 3 parts of Ennard. I don’t think she changed. Plus nothing implies she figured it out.
6:36 In Jeremy's case, dying would've arguably been the better option. Considering what happened to Phineas Gage, and the various people who had lobotomies. Unfortunate that one of the only survivors in the series is...him.
I have a crazy idea but sometimes I think William planned everything he did like when you think about it each game he always ends up winning and he's a real smart guy so sometimes I think he planned for it to happen like in security breach every ending may have some of him defeated but there's always one loose thread to show he wasent fully defeated and in FNAF VR we know he obviously won by possessing Vanessa (and most likely others) and FNAF 6 like think about it he may have been in that fire but he said so himself he knew it was a trap, and think really think what did he get about it: Henry, Charlie and Michal 3 people who wanted to stop him are dead and he's still out there stronger then ever as a virus. And this leads me to FNAF 3 knowing Williams a smart man he's done enough remnant experiments to know "you die in robot you become robot" and he's had first hand exspirienc with Springlock to know how they work while also knowing those kids want him dead to move on. So what I'm saying is. What if he planned it? Get rid of this kids and get immortal life After all he's only lost once he's dead and he always comes back so he always wins Of course that's just my crazy ramblings but it's fun to believe
2003? ouch... anyway the reason William put on the suit has nothing to do with golden freddy, its just that the animatronics don't recognise you in a mask
I mean that still goes back to my point, golden Freddy and most of the other characters are fooled by a mask or can’t attack you at least. Though that said Foxy’s spirit should be in there and if he isn’t fooled by the mask then I guess he just doesn’t give a shit or this really is about the spirits not being able to attack someone in a mask, or it’s just a plot hole. Either way the point was William isn’t being dumb or nonsensical in this scene when it’s often dismissed that way. 2003 is implied by phone guy saying the animatronics have been around for 20 years when the company was founded in 1983 as shown in Help wanted. However there are weird comments like “the most dangerous job in 1993 was a night watchmen” in AR and a few other things like it which mention 1993, which is why I brought it up as the reference point for the earliest year to build Fnaf 3’s year off of.
Here is some common misconception I see crying child is not the character who experiences in fnaf 4 nightmares it being proofed to be michael because we see michael draw nightmares Fried fredbear and the survival log book should be canon
5:24 the handunit line is about the rental service. the rental service was opened after freddys closed (most likely he is talking about teh franchise freddys and it is just after 1993 but whatever). the pizza world was open earlier. and in pizza world they had a springlock suit. which leads into your point earlier: 4:16 while springlocks werent fredbear exclusive, they were banned early on. we know this now for a fact because of pressure in the third tales book. they mention how the suits were banned shortly after their creation. so circus babys pizza world also was there early on, since they had a springsuit. this ligns up with the newspaper articel in the cancelled due to leaks teaser. the newspaper says it wasnt the right time for an operation like this. so them immediatly opening the rental service would contradict that. the newspaper implys that it takes a few years until the time has come for the cricus baby franchise. so pizzaworld was around in the early 80s, springsuits were banned around the mci, and after fnaf 1 william breaks in to get the remnant from the animatronics for the funtime animatronics, as we see in follow me, and sister location the game happens.
The issue with the logic "they waited for years afterwards" is the line in the source code of the canceled teaser: "If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!" implying that the rental service was started soon after. The line about being the wrong time referred to the scale and ambition of the pizzeria and has nothing to do with their ability to switch to rental service. Plus, Baby says that the Springlock suit was never used the way it was meant to be used. The springlock suits are banned in a Freddy Fazbear's pizza, which would be around the MCI, which still leads to my overall point in the video that Elizabeth isn't the inciting incident of the franchise.
Tbh I always just thought William put the RUSTY AND WET SPRING LOCK SUIT. Out of fear (his face) and poor planning since he instantly started to laugh Afterall.
I would concentrate at the remnant's existence. 1.what really is that - how can be obtained? 2.how does this works? -How the possesion follows? 3. How can the fnaf characters know about the remnant? -How they know how to manipulate it? -I think we should think about this bc before we start talking about something' it's good to know what this something' is.
The simple answer is the game's have kept it far more vauge than the books have. The books are very detailed about remnant and agony, but all we know in the games is, it makes things sorta alive when in it, it gets destroyed when heated, it's malleable when heated, and that's it.
@@siresquawks we can use other info. From what i know Freddy files Ultimate edition book have proven that agony is the remnant (they are the same) At this point we can speculate more about remnant in the games.
Not sure if I’m right but one thing that I think everyone overlooks is that the spirits don’t move on from the animatronics once William breaks them apart. Phone guy states that the back room was boarded up and we have no reason to suggest that it was opened and re shut between that tape and fnaf3. This means that phone guy was ALIVE after William got springlocked, and since he dies to the animatronics we know they must’ve been put back together after being broken. This logic seems airtight to me but if there’s something I’m overlooking please do tell me.
The issue is that this implies that both tape and Fnaf 1 phone guys are the same person which has always been unclear since their personalities differ a little each time. Secondly it’s unclear if the false wall was still there when Faz Fright’s crew goes there. They go there because of the promise that something may have been left behind in a safe room, but it’s unclear if William put up the wall, if someone else did, if the follow me minigames are somehow before fnaf 1 which makes no sense, etc. There’s a lot of questions left in what happens after Springtrap dies in the safe room.
@@siresquawks For the first point it’s very likely that Phone guy and the training tapes are the same person. We know that Scott had access to “other voices” due to Phone dude, if he wanted them to be separate people he’d use a different voice. As for the second point it’s unlikely that William put the wall up since he was springlocked and why would anyone take down the wall only to put it back up? Also I may be misremembering but doesn’t phone dude say they took down a wall and found the safe room, or something along those lines?
6:47 If you try to go towered the animatronics Fred plush stops CC. CC only goes towards them because of the employee coming towards him. That's because the employee is actively coming for him and because the spring lock suits where built to look like the animatronic.
@@siresquawks So if a big old purple bare who you think is yellow. Showed up to house, and knowing lead you to the dead body of a little girl. You'd assume the Bare did it, yes? Also he's not freaking out because he's getting away from restaurant, and if you think people are being killed by the characters there, inside or out. You going to want to get out. And your chances go up the longer your there. He could have scene the mci. But then there would be a night mare spring bonnie. Rather then just a plush. Unless Afton wore a the Fred Bare suit? But I think into the pit confirms its a bonnie suit.
Random question. Do you think the daygaurd from fnaf 2 was William? I personally think it was becuase phone guy mentions in one of the later nights (like 4 or 5 or something) that the shift became available. He seems to trail off in a way that makes it seem like something bad happened.
I think that Michael went through enough agony in his death, being scooped and robots forcing their way inside his skin, to remain after death just as the kids who were killed also stayed in the suits, in the fnaf universe agony allows one to attach ones soul to inanimate objects (a corpse is pretty inanimate), the residual soul is remnant, however you can have just agony posse sing something, such is the case with the toy animatronics after receiving pieces from the originals, but agony just makes unstable killing machines, this is probably the case with the blob, this would explain why it is still possesed even though we thought the spirits moved on
Agony hasn’t been confirmed to be in the games yet. Plus, like I said in the video and my pinned comment, Baby says he would die, and the Scooper’s blueprints show it can inject remnant. No mentions of Ago y so there’s no reason to assume that’s part of the equation.
@@siresquawks the agony did not come frome tge scooper per say, but from the pain, agony is pain, this is also how afton became springtrap, the agony of tge spring locks crushing him for years bound his soul to the suit, simply put, pain/agony is required to make remnant, but only agony is required to make animatronics move, abliet erratically, this is why happiest day works, the agony is dispelled so the souls are unbound, hence the remnant is undone
i thought afton put the suit on cuz it was the suit he killed the kids in so he can scare them away by triggering the fear they felt seeing a character they like kill them
I personally think the fnaf 3 vhs tape calls happened in 1984 - 1986, mostly because I dont understand why they need springlock animatronics when the toys are able to interact with the guest on their own. Also, in the tapes phone guy says that the suit slightly moved meaning that it was just used, and I highly doubt that the fnaf 2 mci kids were murdered on different days(we literally see their corpses scattered around the pizzeria in the save them minigames and even if people were too blind and dumb to notice, Im pretty William isnt that stupid). Not to mention that on the last night in fnaf 2, phone guy says we shouldnt be there and that theres a search going on about william using the ol springlock suit(this could mean that the fnaf 2 mci happened before the night shift).
0:44 I don’t see how this makes any sense given any of Baby’s lines in fnaf6 though. If she thought Micheal was William, why would she attack him? Why would she say “you don’t really know who your employer is, do you?” To him? That makes zero sense lol
Whoa, I just had a Mandela effect. I swear I remember the FNaF 1 phone call saying "I-It’s amazing how long the human body can live without the frontal lobe, you know?" and not "I-It’s amazing that the human body can live without the frontal lobe". That is crazy!
About the circus baby's being after the closure of Freddy's: It's very likely that handunit is refering specifically to the rental service, meaning CB's could be anywhere in the timeline. The remnant stuff guarantees it was after the first death, but the presence of a springlock suit sits it a bit earlier, I'm guessing around the point they were being phased out. " You’re inside something that came from my old pizzeria. I don’t think it was ever used, at least not the way it was meant to be used. Too dangerous." Circus baby's pizza world probably launched alongside The original Freddy's that the withereds came from, but only lasted a day, due to...complications. Two attempts to rebrand. one with clowns and balerinas, one with Pirates and chickens. Them, after the Withered location shuts down, Afton has had just enough time to rebrand and launch the rental service, before going to the closed down withered location and dying in a suit.(Phone guy knows saferooms were sealed, phone guy dies before fnaf 1, ergo saferooms sealed before fnaf 1)
Rental service is confirmed by the traders to be right after Pizza World closes. In the closed due to leaks teaser’s source code the following can be read: “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!” Implying that as soon as Pizza world went down, they switched to the rental service. They are back to back chronically.
@@siresquawks darn, I always forget the source code. Well I'd still argue there was likely a year or so of downtime after "keep an eye out" for William to put together the infrastructure for the new business, and deal with whatever consequences a missing daughter brought to his doorstep. He seems like a busy man.
Only reason he put the suit on in my eyes is to scare the ghost kids away Also Elizabeth likely died before or after the second set of dead kids in FNAF 2
@@siresquawks I agree with that, I'm saying it's before or after the FNAF 2 Dead kids in the Save them mini game. Not the first MCI where the bodies were "never" found.
5:41 I know this video's old, but I just want to point out that FNaF 1 is confirmed to be in 1993 due to a piece of evidence either in SB or in AR, that basically says that the most dangerous job position in america in 1993 was night guard, plus there's also other pieces of evidence that seems to indicate FNaF 1's location was open from 1988 to 1993.
With the ennard split: why is no one talking about the ennard vent minigame? He gets roasted and damaged thanks to babys descision to go back to a place with a scooper to get a new skinsuit. Thats my take on it
arent the events of the fazbear VR experience loosely based on actual events...or total fabrications from the mind of a complete lunatic? Just keep the possibility in mind.
@@cameronhester6446 1 we know almost nothing about Cassidy, I don’t know why she would be more important than the other victims, It’s just doesn’t make sense. 2 we all know that the Crying Child has a big connection to Fredbear, so it makes sense in a story standpoint that he possessed Golden Freddy right? In the fnaf 3 mini game (I forgot the name) we can clearly see Fredbear’s Family Diner with a crying child eating a cake. C.C got bitten at his birthday right? So it makes sense that the kid in the mini game is the crying child. 3 it makes a lot more sense in a story standpoint that the crying child, being abused as a child by his father is now torturing him for eternity. 4 I know that William didn’t kill literally killed him but he did indirectly. He created the springlocks, the reason why he got bitten in the first place. I think that William put the crying child’s dead body inside Fredbear to put him back together. (Sorry for my bad English, I’m French) But feel free to tell me what you think :)
If it was confirmed that William made the Springlocks maybe this could work (even then it’s a bit of a stretch) but if Henry made them then it falls apart. I’ve never liked the logic “we don’t know much about -insert any character-“. Why introduce a character named Cassidy in the logbook clearly separate from the Bite Victim after UCN had come out, for no reason.
Another misconception is that the bite of 83 is a springlock failure I'll tell you know that is not true in order for a springlock failure to accur the suit has to be in suit mode not animatronic mode and we know for a fact that fredbear is in animatronic mode not suit mode also if evan/crying child's death was due to springlocks failing then 1. Why is there no one in the suit and if there is someone in the suit wouldn't they have stopped the bullies before they even got to the stage 2. How didn't the guy in the suit die from this springlock failure Its very clear that the bite was not a springlock failure
I just found out the channel and have been enjoying a lot of your videos, but this one just honestly really poorly thought out. The springlock suits are the main example. The mention of William moving the Spring Bonnie suit is a reference to the MCI, thus why they seal the safe rooms with the poor excuse of "budget constraints" in the next call. William took the suit, lured the kids into that room and due the event, the room was sealed off and it's heavily implied there wouldn't be safe rooms in future locations. Going by Henry's dialogue in FFPS as well as the aforementioned fact, Spring Bonnie was never moved to the FNAF 1 building, it just stayed in that sealed room and was there in the FNAF 3 minigames since the FNAF 1 building is just that location repurposed. And as for FNAF 2, in that case, the spare suit in the back is one of the withereds (they're all there for spare parts), Golden Freddy. Phone Guy says there's ONE yellow suit in the back, and we know Golden Freddy was in that building. This also matches up with how he similarly used Fredbear for his later murders in the books. Speaking of the books, they also clear up another point in the video, being William's death. It's not because Golden Freddy disappears when you put on the mask, considering the spirit doesn't disappear here and that was likely just a result of it not identifying you like every other animatronic when you put on the mask, it's because the children are broken. They can't recognize Spring Bonnie as William. When he's wearing that suit, he's one of them, in his own words. There's other stuff here I'd have something to say about but eh not worth the trouble, and there's 177 comments, surely they've mentioned that stuff.
The first fact. Why do you think, that baby revives Michael, because she thinks that he is her father. Also, she wants to kill kids too. I think she revived him, because he is her brother. And he helped her escape, so maybe she's thankful??? But I'm not sure about that.
My only issue is that there’s no implication she figures out it was Michael. In Michael’s monologue he just says they though I was “you” (William), and leaves that there.
@@siresquawks okay, first of all, I'm saying that not because i don't like your video, but because you're know what your talking about. Second fact. I think he wore it because he killed this kids in this suit. As i remember, he did not saw golden freddy earlier in the game, and also he wasn't in his "golden freddy form". I think he just tried to scare them. Okay with this one, i just want to know. If Elisabeth was killed after fnaf 2 and 1, that means Michael was a security guard before he became a zombie? But then this whole thing with odor don't make much sense (maybe it don't need to make sense) Don't answer if you don't want to, i just found this small details even more interesting then the BIG TIMELINE at this point.
Ok where did you get that Scrap Baby render from? Can't find a comment about that, and you asking that in the vid got me curious. If it isn't fanmade then what is it with it?
I think it's fan made but I don't have the original image, and using a screen shot hasn't gotten me far reverse image searching. It's a good render so I'd love to find who made it, because I don't think it's official.
The reason William built the SL bots the in the first place is because he noticed that his first child “C.C” possessed SpringFreddy after he was killed due to Michael. Sure there’s a bit of a jump in logic that one child haunting a bot = All children will haunt the bots, in which completely understandable but its a better explanation than William immediately building the SL bots to just kill kids under a hypothesis he made while in a crack binge
@@siresquawks The only argument going for it is nightmare Freddy having the mouth on his chest and the girly bedroom. And knowing Scott he would have clarified or made something alluding to that in Sister Location since he tries to clarify things in followup games
The whole Elizabeth thing is definitely something matpat will get wrong in the fnaf tineline. Because of what you just mentioned. Hell maybe the reason she wasn't in her room in fnaf 4 was because she was with her mom at the time being
Is there any animatronics that are possessed by adults? Idk if I count springtrap as it is shown that he can change suits and stuff he probably is just using the suits and he is more like Micheal situation.
Williams definitely unique. I think the prior guards like phone guy might play a part in the greater haunting of Freddy’s but that’s more a headcannon.
1st Point. Yeah. ~ Interesting... ~~ I don't know about the Elizabeth thing. But I would have to find an alternate interpretation. Because I don't think those animitronics exactly have to be linked as much. Only when all are created and even then it brings up questions. ~~~ Yeah I don't know why people think they saw Charlies death when they might die before Charlie.
Yeah the funtimes are weird. That said I stand by them being after Freddy’s 1.0 until given something proving otherwise, because it’s the only clue we’ve got.
and about the 1 phone call in fnaf 1 with their server lockings turned on too long making them walking around why not just hire an on-site engineer, man! they DO perform maintenance on these things, right? And, if theyre allowed to roam free, what the f*ck do you need a night guard for? whats a thief or a murderer gonna do to them? Also why is phone guy so f*cking nonchalant about that? A-And, more importantly, how does he know thats what they would do to me? Also Also, who was the massive, 200 IQ GENIUS that thought to program the animatronics that way?! Did they not think "Hmm... Well, THAT could be dangerous to actual human beings."? even WORSE, who was the 300 IQ SUPER BRAIN that found out that the animatronics were programmed like that and went, "Huh, oh yeah, lets just leaveem like that."?!
I have a dumb head cannon that they hire security guards just to keep the animatronics busy, and because they almost always die they never have to pay them, meaning they can keep the animatronics from trying to leave while barely spending anything. But there’s not much evidence for that, even if it is in character for the company.
The fnaf 3 tapes being recorded over a long amount of time isn’t true though, at leas the way you present it here. The incident that Phone guy alludes to in the fnaf 3 night 5 call is the original missing children incident which involved the spring Bonnie suit. We know this since phone guy identifies only the spring Bonnie suit being noticeably moved. The incident that happens in fnaf 2 wasn’t the original missing children incident since it had already happened
It could be, but my point still stands that based on the final tape, that these aren’t back to back. Spring Bonnie can’t be sealed in original Fredbear’s or original Freddy’s because it wouldn’t be in Fnaf 1’s location. That was my main point.
@@siresquawks Or the fnaf 1 location IS the original Freddy’s. We at least know the previous location mentioned in fnaf 2 was the same location where the original murders occurred, and we know the location that phone guy is recording the fnaf 3 tapes is the one where the original murders occurred since the spring Bonnie suit was moved, the one used for the original murders. The fnaf 1 location being this previous location would explain why the spring Bonnie suit was by itself
@@stopmotionartist4987 Maybe, but William still had access to the springlock suits in fnaf 2, meaning they hadn't been sealed away yet, which would mean the SpringLock suits weren't sealed away until fnaf 1 anyways.
@@siresquawks I’m not sure we can assume the suits were meant to be sealed within the safe rooms. The most we know about the suits was that they were being retired to “an appropriate location” to be examined by a technician but the safe room isn’t named. This is kinda interesting considering how the safe room is mentioned without hesitation in the rest of the calls. It’s not like phone guy was trying to hide the safe room so I feel like the “appropriate location” was intentional. Another issue I have with the calls being so spread out is that the calls feel like they were made as though they were responding to the same individual. The night 2 and 3 calls are definitely meant to happen after one another, and the night 4-6 calls feel like additional updates. It makes more sense for all calls to have been recorded before the first Freddy’s closed. Not to mention the sealing of the safe rooms was implied to have been done with haste since there was no intent to check and see what was in the safe room before they were sealed, so it makes sense for Spring Bonnie to be sealed within the safe room while the fredbear suit was left out and became a spare suit.
I feel like the spring lock suits are more associated with William Afton then Freddy's the company or the original establishment, as thr company wouldn't want to use something so unreliable, and if I understand sl correctly it was made by William Afton . Perhaps it's an old concept for the sl animatronics using modern materials with an old desogn. Idk why I needed to say this it really isn't important just my thoughts on why there is a spring lock suit in sl more then anything idk
still waiting for someone to dig into Jeremy- so convinced "he is someone" it's not even funny anymore hahahaha alone in my theorycrafting for so long :`( hehehe
I am pretty sure Jeremy died as phone guy is an unreliable narrator as he has said many things Incorrect like the whole playing dead line. Plus there is no proof he is not lying like it’s the night guards first day so why say that the last guy died horribly?. Also the golden Freddy one implies that William worked at fnaf 2 or 1 to be believed as I doubt he would figure it out in his own time. Like when would afton know this?. I think you are jumping ahead I am pretty sure he got in the suit to ether scare them or to not be harmed (assuming him being in the suit protects him). Another quick thing if he knows the head would get rid of spirt why put on the full suit?
On that first point, there’s no proof he’s lying either. Most of what he says in 1 has some truth to it or is said with skepticism. William is heavily implied to have been the night guard before Jeremy. The game makes a big deal about not wanting prior guards in the building, and Save them Shows William after hours in the building, when Golden Freddy can be found in the same minigame. He’s met the active animatronics inarguably.
@@siresquawks The William bit I didn't know so thanks. But I am pretty sure Jeremy died due to what we know about phone guy. In the frontal lobe part he says a lot of uh's and ums which is a sign of being nervous which is off as he wasn't this nervous during it. Plus when he says it the line he sought has a reflecting or thinking tone to the voice which to me comes off as him seeing the frontal lobe missing attack rather then a statement. To me I can see Jeremy living to the hospital but shortly dying after. ( Unless there is evidence that isn't from phone guy, who let's on more then he knows. I can't see him living) Cancel Reply
I would say you got that first part wrong, and it's much simpler than that - we know for a fact the S.C.U.P. is a remnant injector; Michael got scup'd and therefore he had remnant injected into him Also your 2003 date is inaccurate. I know where you're coming from, but that logic implies 2004 because of the paycheck's date
Yeah this video has some flubs. I stand by 1993 more now because of Fnaf AR. But I stand by that it Was Baby’s intent to keep “William” (actually mike) alive. The mechanics were just wrong in the video.
@@siresquawks actually, unused things in FNaF AR are the weakest argument I've found for 1993 (that would be giving the Cassidy is Princess Quest argument strength, even with them changing the name) I think 2004 makes more sense now, but common sense would imply it's 1993 simply for the fact that it was an uncontested date since the very first game. Scott likes to clear up misconceptions on followup games, and it doesn't start actually being a plot hole until FNaF 4 and later Help Wanted, when no one (probably including Scott) had an issue with that date Usually I feel "common sense" is the strongest argument Also yea, maybe Baby tried saving who she perceived to be her father or just told him that so he would know how to react
@@emperorvader283 I know- I wasn't saying I agreed in this instance- or if I said that in the video it's been a while and don't agree or remember agreeing.
*Plz read* I feel like I'm the reason this video exist, lol 😆. Though I still kinda believe in Elizabeth dieing being the reason William does at least some of what he does. It makes some sense in my opinion for 4 main reasons: 1. Who else would William be talking to in the beginning of Sister Location about showing his own creation. 2. It does line up with the sister being absent in FNAF 4 and why William has an ipentire bunker made under his house where he spy's and haunts his youngest child and let's Michael torment CC so to make sure that he stays away from the Pizzeria. There's no reason that the bite of 83 and Elizabeth's "death" can't happen around the same time as each other plus Henry was the original creator of the franchise and William is just a business partner who has to have experience in the first place to even become a partner. 3. It just makes sense as a story telling stand point, Scott said himself that FNAF 4 was supposed to be the end of the franchise and he told the story he originally wanted to tell. FNAF 4 left some things up in the air that we couldn't fully understand so Sister Location exists only because Scott wanted to expand the lore and what better way to do so then to further explain what the story he's telling us while also adapting it into a new story that follows the first 4 games. And 4. Freddy Fazbear's Pizza opens as a Sister location to Fredbears Family Diner as said in the calls we get from Phone guy, implying they exist around the same time which makes sense as William would still need access to the Spring Bonnie suit he uses to kill the 5 kids and can still kill Henry's daughter as we know that she wasn't the first child William himself killed as it's confirmed that Chica was the first. Elizabeth dieing can make sense as the motivation for William killing the first group of kids and when he was gone doing it his youngest child to be forced in the Fredbear suits mouth putting him in a coma, since William at this point would be working at Fredbear's Diner so he would be there either watching on the plush cameras or actually in the Location while it's happening. Among some of the other stuff I replied to you with, this can make some sense in the longrun. It definitely doesn't fit 100% and I completelyrespectyour opinion, but nothing does fit 100% in this franchise at this point apart from that it's so confusing and frustrating to figure out at times. Scott may need to do what Sega is doing with Sonic and coming up with a definitive timeline for the franchise.
Plus the Funtimes can't of been made for the primary reason to lure and capture kids since there was the bite of 83, multiple murders and restaurants being closed and the original Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy containing the the bodies of said murder victims. There would of been so many red flags if versions of those characters were indeed capturing kids the moment they were brought out to preform for birthday parties after all that stuff. Scott knows that even with all the magic and chaos in this franchise, there still has to be some realism and possibility for this stuff to happen otherwise the story wouldn't be fascinating and created a whole community that now we all both love and hate at the same time.
Plus Elizabeth dieing can also be the reason why the Security Puppet exists. Henry (who could be the voice we hear William talking to about Baby) heard what a creation of William's did to his daughter and wanted to have a precaution as he doesn't want his own daughter or anyone else suffering the same fate.
The canceled due to leaks teased has comments about the closing of Circus Baby’s Pizza World. One of them says “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!” Implying that Circus Baby’s rental was formed right after Pizza World closes. This is important because it basically confirms that when Handunit says “due to the massive success and even more so the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza, the stage was set no pun intended for a new face in children’s entertainment” means that Baby and the funtimes were all created after Freddy’s closes. Since phone guy in Fnaf 2 says that Fredbear’s was closed for a while but talks about old Freddy’s like it just closed down or was fairly recent, we can assume that Freddy’s closes after Fredbear’s does, and so Circus Baby’s has to be as well. Elizabeth dies on the one test day Circus Baby’s was open, so she dies after the bite victim, since Fredbear’s is still open in Fnaf 4’s mini games. Since Charlie’s death happens not to far away and so does the MCI in Freddy’s, this means Elizabeth is minimum the 8th dead kid in the franchise. This isn’t an opinion, and this fits exactly with how things are presented.
@@siresquawks i understand but I just want to share my own theory. If you don't mind, I would like to clear up some of the stuff I said and also ask you some questions. Obviously Freddy's doesn't close straight away because there would have to the oders from the decay of the bodies or the children. And I did say the Funtimes themselves had to of been made after the incident since they would of been looked at and kept away from the children if they were made at the same time, but how do we know that Baby or even Ballora are officially Funtime animatronics? The name would of had to been given primarily for the different versions of the original characters and she is only ever been referred to as "Circus Baby". Also Baby herself was trying to gain our trust and use us, so she could of stretched her story for us, like i said in my earlier replies the Minigame and her story don't match up, so can her words be taken as 100% fact and why would she even tell us the story since Michael said "they thought I was you"? And finally how in fact could the funtimes be used for being rented for parties right after all the locations were shut down, there would have to be time for William's to handle all the legal issues and being a suspect to the murders, then when he gets off free he realises that the animatronics are acting wierd and Baby's eyes changed and then conduct his research and experiments to find out about remnant and how the souls work inside of the animatronics. These are just concerns that I have with the timeline you put in place, but I can happily except myself being wrong as all I really want is to contribute what little I can do for a community that personally helped me and got me fascinated as a kid.
The only evidence for that is general paycheck stats that don’t even hold up well. Phone guy in Fnaf 1 says that the animatronics have been around for 20 years, and according to help wanted Fazbear entertainment was founded in 1983, for a total of 2003. Not 1993. Edit: So, I didn't know about the FNaF AR Facts that bring up 1993 a lot, which seems to imply that FNaF 1 is in fact in 1993.
@@siresquawks I don't see why it wouldn't hold up well. Fnaf 2 takes place in 1987, and it's paycheck reflects the minimum wage of 1987. In the Fnaf AR Faz-Facts, the year 1993 is mentioned twice. "Fazbear's "Twisted" Pizza Recipe was voted "Most Yummy!" by 6 out of 10 children in every survey from 1988-1993!" "In 1993, the most dangerous profession in the United States was actually night security guard." As for Phone guy's line, I could really just see it as a extragerration or minor retcon.
So to be clear: When I say extract remnant, I was slightly mixed up on the Scooper taking out endoskeletons, and yes it injecting remnant is part of Michael coming back. My point still stands that Baby is very aware of how and why she does it, to keep her “dad” alive in some way, and that the other’s realization of this is what causes them to split.
Totally valid comments though.
There is another theory that Ennard splits because baby is not part of the group. As in literally not part, as the other funtimes are created from a mixed remnant which makes them want to become "whole" again as Ennard. When they realise baby is her own complete remnant, they kick her out. More plausible than the "you helped our killer" thing
The Silver Eyes even supports the idea of the Spring Bonnie suit protecting William. Whenever he has it on, the souls don't see him as an adult or killer, they just see Spring Bonnie. This is double-downed with what you mentioned in this video. Good stuff.
This along with "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child" reminds me of stories I'd hear about young kids at places like Chuck E. Cheese's being traumatized if they ever saw the actor coming out of their mascot suit.
@@Staurcomb Because they *saw* him out on the suit, I’d assume, compared to him just rocking up already having put it on
So the spirits don't recognize their killer when he "hides" in the same costume he was wearing when he killed them?
Must be post death amnesia. But that’s my guess.
@GATAZO yes the spirits are very forgetful I'm pretty sure they even forget who they are but only remember the face of the killer bc blah blah trauma remnant feelings emotions etc.
I always viewed the William going into the suit as a sort of, abused dog seeing a belt or something like that, where William being in the suit would scare the ghosts away reminding them of what happened last time they saw him in that suit, as that would not Only stop Golden Freddy but the other spirits as well
But the idea of him using springbonnie the Same way as we use the Freddy Mask in fnaf 2 works too
Never thought about that connection with the FNaF 2 masks and William going for the suit to protect himself, very nice eye.
The whole Michael coming back to life thing sounds solid but it's also worth noting that remnant seems to straight up have healing properties as shown in the Tales from the Pizzaplex story "Frailty".
ImpulseEvan actually made a pretty good video discussing remnant and how it seems to work.
Bruh is reaching so hard with that one dude, it’s not even funny. It’s literally based entirely on speculation of “If A is correct, then D must be true”
@@DiamondEyeball Which part?
It's also interesting to me that if the bite victim was (one of the, if not) the first one to die, his fear of "being stuffed into a suit" (from seeing an employee getting help putting a springlock suit on) could have inspired the way William actually killed/hid the bodies of some of the kids later on- especially since it seems the fredbear plush could well be William talking to the crying child/bite victim etc
Maybe.
I still think it makes the most sense to have Evan’s death be first in the timeline, it just hits the perfect dominos that lead to the other early deaths, my personal order is that the MCI happens last of these events, mostly because of William basically losing any bit of sanity after Elizabeth’s death.
Exactly, I’d place the MCI before Elizabeth but yeah
@@siresquawks Honestly I think the reason that the MCI happens last is because, why would William decide to murder 5 random kids before deciding to make the funtimes, the only justification is the idea that funtimes were made from parts of the original 4 + Fredbear. Which even then is more or less a book canon thing.
Also I feel the reason Micheal didn’t try to stop Elizabeth’s death if it took place after Evan’s, is because the Afton family divorced and Micheal’s mother took custody of him, leaving Elizabeth alone with her father.
@@smashers6971 i would think william would make the funtimes after the manual murders, to make it significantly easier and less risky. the other way around doesnt make that much sense, if he had killer robots, why would he go and kill them himself and risk getting caught (he also supposedly did get caught at some point according to fnaf 1s missing children newspapers)
@@Sopsy_Hallow that’s honestly a fair assumption I’ll give you that.
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The bite victim being scared of the springlock suits makes so much sense. As a diehard fan, I just never put two and two together as to why he is not scared of anything else related to the Fazbear franchise, but is specifically scared of Fredbear for whatever reason.
It’s a great plot point to have the child be in love with the anthropomorphic characters, yet be horrified at the sight of one of them with a human being stuffed inside.
Tying that into the quote of his misunderstanding of the situation just brings it all home.
I think the reason for Golden Freddy being unable to kill you while you have the mask or tablet up, because they need you see them fully in order to kill your mind and/or drain your sanity. They're somewhat like SCP's pattern screamers
That’s how I see it yeah, that explains why Golden Freddy encounters are more surreal than others
The ''what is seen in shadows line'' effectively confirms BV>Charlie>MCI>Elizabeth order of deaths. If Bite Victim's fears are accounted for elsewhere other than another kid's death(like with the springlock suits) then all the pieces fall into place. BV dies, William kills Charlie in retaliation(I'd assume it's because Henry built those animatronics but I think the Freddy Files contradict that?), kills 5 other kids(give gifts, give life), experiments with remnant and funtimes and then Elizabeth dies. If Charlie or Elizabeth die first then William has no proper motivation for killing Charlie and building funtimes, it's kind of dumb.
"Later that Night" kinda proves charlie died first, probably due to jealousy since William was pretty jealous with Henry in the books. But yeah, I doubt BV saw Charlie die.
@@DeltaTheToon If you believe that BV is the one who ran away in Later that night, sure. If you're like me and think that it's Michael who ran away, nothing changes for the timeline I've presented. BV>Charlie>LTN>MCI>Elizabeth. Also, I don't consider jealousy a good motivation for killing, at least for a fictional story. Getting revenge by killing the child of the man who made the animatronic that killed your child at least makes some sense(if Henry really did build them).
@@DeltaTheToon Honestly I feel like it more-so proves Charlie died second.
I think Matpat just got the reason wrong.
Elizabeth certainly is an enigma is it a mistake or a retcon?
actually , I can really see William making The Funtimes just because he wants to (maybe as a challenge to himself) or killing Charlie for absolutely no reason. Think about it: if William managed to build the Funtime animatronics (which are obviously a hell of alot more complex and advanced than any other animatronics) then he must've been a genius. a master at Engineering. so , in his glory days when he knew that he could build impressive machines with no effort , of course he must've wanted to prove to himself that he can build anything. that he is the best engineer ever. so , as an ambitious project just for the hell of it he made The Funtimes. I can certainly see that. and about Charlie being killed first even though he had no motivation ? well , does he really need a motivation ? he is a psychopath , he probably killed those 5 kids just because he wanted to. maybe it made him feel better or more pleased. maybe killing kids made him feel good. can you really expect anything else from a serial killer ? so , of course , William thought he was above consequences and killed Charlie because that was the perfect opportunity to do what he dreamed of doing for years. he committed the crime because he only cared about what he wanted to do or experience. can you really tell me that's unlikely from him ? so , that's my headcanon
I have a question that’s been racking my brain for years! What the hell is the purple glitching Bonnie from the FNAF 3 mini games supposed to represent?!?! I swear I’ve never heard a suitable answer to that.
Bonus question: Why was the ghost child in the same mini game hidden slightly out of bounds of the purple barrier & WHY IS HE A DARKER SHADE THEN EVERY GHOST CHILD WE’VE SEEN BEFORE IT?
Purple bonnie is shadow bonnie, same with Purple freddy=Shadow freddy. The reason the spirit is black is, in my opinion, supposed to represent the soul of a person who died in a springlock incident
That character is simply RWQ (shadow bonnie) and there literally is no reason for the kids’ sprite to be slightly darker, it’s just so it looks nicer in the mini game considering the entire mini game is very difficult to see
@@Milo_hAt3r 4 months later and i've arrived at the answer for the reason the sprite is a darker color. It's the puppets spirit. In the happiest day minigame you're controlling the puppet and its a darker color sprite then the other 5 kids. Blew my mind when i found that out.
@@duckman9327 @ITS GARFIN TIME 4 months later and i've arrived at the answer for the reason the sprite is a darker color. It's the puppets spirit. In the happiest day minigame you're controlling the puppet and its a darker color sprite then the other 5 kids. Blew my mind when i found that out.
@@angelsegura7408 That makes so much sense!
I never really thought that Micheal got up on his own, and he still is a badass for confronting the mess his father made and living as a corpse. Having some help from his sister doesn't take away anything
Oh yeah I wasn’t downplaying him. Dudes getting my first character video.
How the hell do people think will power is what made Mike stand up?💀💀💀💀💀💀 He literally has remant inside him🗿☠️☠️☠️
They're mixing up FNAF with Undertale lol
Circus Baby: "Dont die lol"
That first point is slightly contested by the Scooper device injecting remnant, but it's so cool I'll let it slide. It also has interesting implications for if Henry knows the difference or not. 🤔
Why exactly does Baby want to kill kids? I thought she wasn't happy about the fact that it happened in Sister Location or, even if that's the design quirks hinted towards at the beginning of the game: since when have animatronics wanted to kill children, isn't that specifically something William does?
I always assumed she was lying. Or we were just getting from Elizabeth's perspective trying not to give away the fact that she's Elizabeth.
It's in her instinct, at the base of her coding. She doesn't want to, but she *does.*
Maybe to get more Souls/Remnant to power herself and the others. My favorite assumption for the story of Fnaf 6/fpps is that basically. Is basically the scrap animatronics are trying to get more Remnant to fix themselves/bodies. That’s probably the meaning to the phase, ‘to be complete.’ Which ScrapBaby actually mentions in her monologue at the end before Henry cuts her off. Maybe to get stronger bodies or even completely new bodies. Heck might be trying to get their own Humans bodies instead. That’s at least my best guess/interpretation of Baby’s dialogue at the end really means.
A couple reasons, the first being that it’s in Baby’s original coding. Remember William built the SL bots purely for remnant experiments, F Foxy and Ballora being the distractors and F Freddy and Baby being the “storage tanks” to kidnap children. Baby killed Elizabeth because its in her coding to wait until there’s only one child in the room to kidnap her/kill her so William can see how remnant works. The reason Elizabeth herself wants to kill children is because we see (IN THE BOOKS. Can be completely wrong regarding the games) that Liz was obsessed with whatever her father was obsessed with due to Golden Child syndrome, or the child wanting the parents to see them as the perfect continuation of their work/dynasty. William was obsessed with the SL bots so Liz was obsessed with Baby. William wanted to experiment with remnant so Liz wanted to help him. William wanted to kill other children for those experiments? Liz will do anything to make her dad proud of her.
She is programmed to though she likes it or not
3:15 In my opinion in why William puts on the spring Bonnie suit is because he thinks by putting it on it’ll scare the spirits since he used that to lure them and then kill them
Someone else probably already mentioned it, but I don't think Afton was using the spring bonnie suit to "hide" from the spirits like with the mask in FNAF 2. We don't know if he even had to use the mask against Golden Freddy during his time as a guard, and even then, it's an entirely different context.
If he wanted to hide from the ghosts, why did he stand up and laugh? It probably would have been more effective to remain slumped in the corner, hoping that the spirits would give up, but he didn't. It looks more like he wants the spirits to know he's in the suit, relying on their trauma keeping them away from the face of their death.
Not really a misconception but just something I feel everyone forgets. It was the puppet who put the 5 dead children into the animotronic suits, not william.
Yep
Well, uh, no?
@@duckman9327 it’s literally the give gifts give life mini game
@@Freddyfazballs93 but uh, that’s symbolic?
We see through the silver eyes novels that Afton will stuff people into suits, we see in help wanted Afton luring Gabriel then stuffing him into a suit (not to mention Jeremy and Susie have already been stuffed)
Oh man, I have never realized that Baby made Michael survive, that makes so much more sense and I am not at all disappointed with this knowledge! Coming back through pure willpower alone never made any sense to me, having an actual reason it happened is much better imo!
I don’t like the first two points. The first is pretty solid, but in FNaF 6 we see that the S.C.U.Per injects remnant, which must be why Michael survived. Baby saying ‘You won’t die.’ may just be because she knows this. The second about Golden Freddy is entirely speculation, as we don’t know who is leading the pack. William probably put the suit on because it tricked the children into going into the back room before he killed them, so why wouldn’t it work now?
Btw, in one of your points you talked about remnant being extracted from by the S.C.U.Per, but that is incorrect.
Agreed. And I don't think Afton was laughing when he wore the suit on the second point. He was breathing heavily, literal ghosts are materializing in front of him - he should be scared and sweating that caused the springlocks to malfunction.
In The Fourth Closet something similar happens, as after Carlton is injected with Remnant he meets the souls of the missing kids and then Michael Brooks keeps him alive by giving him a piece of himself. Otherwise he wouldn't have survived, as he nearly died from having molten metal injected into him.
Same thing probably happened to Mike.
@@severedhandfrenchfries4170 Nah he's definitely laughing. He doesnt look scared while running towards the suit
I feel like the soul being golden freddy is mainly supported by the fact that we play as every other soul in the night minigames prior
@@severedhandfrenchfries4170 he runs at the suit with the most smug experssion imaginable, and smiles while wearing it. Pretty sure he's laughing.
one more thing, a HUGE misconception is that the bite of 83 is because of s springlock failure, why would springlocks have anything to do with an animatronic, which, is ALREADY in animatronic mode so the springlocks cannot be used, have to do with crushing a child's head? It makes no sense.
Ngl, I honestly think you're the best fnaf theorist, you should be way bigger
Why is it so hard to figure out that the reason why William puts on the suit against the kid ghosts, is because the last time he saw them, he had the upperhand by being in the suit. In his mind, he WILL have the upperhand against those same souls if he puts it on. In William Aftons mind, the suit gives him power and an advantage. Imagine if someone used your worst trauma against you in a conflict.
I don't have to imagine, because that exact thing also happened to me in real life. But tangent aside, taking advantage of his victims' trauma is the exact kind of twisted thing that Afton would do.
My head canon was that William put the suit on to scare the ghosts away by confronting them with the ladt thing they probally saw in their lifes.
I think Cassidy attaching herself to afton isn’t like we think but rather her haunting him for the rest of his life until he dies so she can torment him
Thank you for these explanations, because as someone who hasn't actually played the games I get very confused sometimes when it comes to knowing what information is clear to us directly from the games. (Especially when MatPat won't stop reading passages from Fazbear Frights like it's FNAF scriptures).
Reading your pinned comment, I do agree that it was the Scooper that gave him remnant so he can live, but reading through her dialogue, I don't think she mistaken Michael for William, in the beginning of Night 2, she says she doesn't recognize us and throughout the nights she treats us as a random person. Though with that said, she does tell us we won't die only one other time and it's in the fake ending "You must let us inside, isn’t this why you came here, to be with her again? You won’t die and it will only hurt for a moment.“ with a follow up of Elizabeth saying "I know it was an accident..." "Isn’t this why you came here? To be with me again?" "I don’t understand…" "Everything is okay. I’m still here.". So this leads to you are right Baby/Elizabeth thinks Michael is actually her father trying to save her, but the problem is all these lines come from the Fake ending, so would we still consider the fake ending part of the canon lore?
5:30 Yes handunit does say the closing of Freddy Pizza, but you have to read the rest what he says "it was clear that the stage was set - no pun intended - for another contender in children’s entertainment. Unlike most entertainment venues, -> our robotic entertainers are rented out for private parties
Michael literally says “they didn’t recognize me at first but then they thought I was you”. And the accident line could mean she knew that William didn’t mean for her to die. This lines up with all other lines being about her an her connection to the player, which given her personality makes sense.
About the Circus Baby’s line, the Closed due to leaks source code states that after they closed Baby’s Pizza world, “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you” referring to the rental service. This means that Pizza world directly proceeds the rental service. And said Pizza world wasn’t even open a full day. Therefore it is far more reasonable to come to the conclusion that he’s referring to brand as a whole since they happen right after each other.
@@siresquawks oh yeah, I did forget Michael's voice lines, you are right.
But wouldn't Elizabeth dying before 83 be possible as again BB becoming part of the toy animatronics as well as the fnaf 4 house and Fredbear family diner layout were in the circuit room?
The only thing that tells me that Charlie dies first is the Fredbear plush, which is most certainly Charlie.
It is confirmed that isn't. It's in SL, the same plush, in Afton's restricted room that watches his house with a device that looks a lot like a walkie talkie. Nothing implies Charlie is the plush, especially since we see in 6 she goes straight from death to the puppet with no in between.
@@siresquawks Thanks for the response!
@@siresquawks Wait my only question is that if the plush is William than how is the plush talking to us at the same time the Crying Child sees William putting someone into a spring lock suit? The plush has to be just a hallucination and/or imaginary friend, right?
It's Funny Overtime Phone Guy ''Talks'' You Can Barely See Foxy In The Background
Not gonna lie when you brought up that quote what is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child everything made sense if I was the crying child and I saw someone getting stuffed into a suit I’d think…holy f**k that bear just ate him
Liz catches that Mike isn’t William in 6 - saying he isn’t who she expected him to be and gloating to him about the purpose Afton gave her by the end as if he’d be unaware or opposed to it - so unless Michael has gone through a second drastic off-screen appearance change from when he was first revived to when he died in 6, it would stand to reason that Baby would either still see him as Will (which she doesn’t) or would’ve never mistook them for one another in the first place. She definitely doesn’t see him as a stranger since she knows Mike is down there to see her specifically in SL. She attempts to murder Michael in 6 and is even low enough to take advantage of his care for her by mimicking her old voice, so his resurrection is likely not due to her non-existent compassion for him.
I think the idea of 6 is everyone involved believes were just some guy. Henry doesn’t realize who we are right away either. He was just planning to get some schmuck off the street and let them go. When Elizabeth gets close for the kill she realizes her mistake.
She just believes the entire building and scheme was made by her dad for her. Not necessarily that the person in the back is him.
one other thing that bothers me is that it is common sense that the withered animatronics before they got withered where those one where the first missing 5 childs got stuffed in BUT at least in the end where they got remaked for the fnaf 1 events should the found inside the suits like human bones or even small human remains? or did william at somepoint come back just to clean the animatronics insides OR did some 300iq dumbass just cleaned it and where like "huh may just be some silly toys from kids that somehow got in there imma just throw them in the trash hehe"
I honestly think Fazbear entertainment did eventually find everything inside and got rid of it, but couldn’t admit it.
@@siresquawks well dang for anything ive heard so far from fazbear Entertainment the only suits These Guys shuld wear are lawsuits
Micheal survives because he is possessing his own corpse which has happened in step closer
It’s unclear how step closer’s possession works, but it’s clearly not Mike’s because Pete can’t move or act only watch.
Step closer is not the solution.
In the insanity ending we see blueprints for the scooper and it mentions it’s true purpose isn’t to open up the SL animatronics but to inject them with remnant. Baby seemingly knows this and that’s why she talks about you not dying in the SL endings.
Before sister location came out we got a fake troll teaser saying the game was canceled due to leaks. When brightening the image we see text from (presumably) a newspaper article saying how Baby’s Pizza World was open for a day before closing down due to leaks (when in reality it closed down due to Elizabeth’s death) it’s unknown when this happens or how long it takes after Circus Baby rentals opens up but assuming midnight motorists is the Afton house hold and there’s only 3 people inside she might have died before that event.
Maybe William knew that the only way out was to possess the spring bonnie suit/his own body so he laughs being like you lose as I can now live forever but then it’s really painful so he screams when he “dies”
Eh maybe
The point of the scooper was to inject remnant, so the remnant is the reason Michael “wouldn’t die”. Baby counted on this.
I don't agree with the Elizabeth's part since baby's pizzeria and baby's rentals are two different places, that could both happen at different times.
handunit states that baby's rentals opened right after freddy's closed, he never mentioned baby's pizzeria, where Elizabeth died.
hence, sister location happens right after the MCI, but Elizabeth's death happens in early 1983.
and I do have reasons for why Elizabeth died first, and they are specifically in fnaf 4 and SL.
In fnaf 4, there's a room in the house that has a pink bed, a broken mangle toy, and a pink flower picture in the wall. It's obviously Elizabeth's.
However, when CC enter's it, all he sees is an empty room. Where is her?
As we know, William wasn't able to recover Elizabeth's body since baby was designed to trap and crush the body of her victims inside her stomach. Therefore, sadly, her tomb is empty.
In UCN, after ballora kills you she sings an interesting song: "Why do you hide inside this walls? when there's music on my halls. *All I see is and empty room, all I see is an empty tomb" *
At least there's literally no other indication for when does it happen.
The issue is you're just wrong about how Circus Baby's is implied to have happened. They are still the same overall brand and animatronics, and Circus Baby's was only open for one day, and would've been moved to the rental facility right away.
Plus, HandUnit doesn't say "the rental facility was made after the closing of Freddy's" he says there was a spot for a new face in children's entertainment, which would mean the entire brand/sister location.
Not to mention there's nothing in 4 saying that she's dead. Michael isn't in the room at that time and doesn't even have a bedroom but that doesn't mean he was dead, he's just in another place. William isn't even in the house or really seen much in 4 at all, but we know he was alive at this point. We knew he was there.
@@siresquawks I guess you are right about the branding point.
However I still believe that the existence of her room in the game and her missing in it is evidence. After all, we basically see all of the afton family in the game. CC as the playable character, Mike appears to scare him and ultimately caused his death, and William appeared in fredbear's. Everyone except her.
there's also the song reference in UCN. It really matches.
I think it makes sense as to why Golden Freddy disappears when you put the mask on in FNAF 2. If William Afton's kid is in there (his soul, or whatever, I mean), the one from FNAF 4 who was terrified of the animatronics, he probably sees you as one, gets scared and goes away. What's even worse about this theory is that he's scared of himself as he's now the very animatronic that killed him (I mean technically it was Michael and his friends but you know what I mean). It also kind of gives happiest day a new meaning, the other souls are trying to show him that he doesn't need to be afraid of them and that he can pass on, if that wasn't the meaning already. Please let me know if this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever I made this up as I was typing it😅
I really don't agree with the *why* of Baby resurrecting Michael, though it's obvious she does it via remnant. I truly do not think she would still think he was william after living in his body and also his apartment for days, maybe weeks. Frankly you've got to acknowledge her personality and motivation got 180'd in a retcon and at that point in the story, she would in fact resurrect Michael- because she views him as innocent, and then, herself, go off and be Ennard. It no longer makes as much sense in current lore but it was clearly the intent at that point.
“Baby was innocent” not really. She lied, manipulated, and killed what she thought was her dad to leave, and bullies the other 3 parts of Ennard. I don’t think she changed. Plus nothing implies she figured it out.
I don't think Baby is innocent, but still cares about Michael since he is her brother and all, which is why she brings him back to life.
Though the idea of Mike coming back as a result of the sheer urge to get his lick back is funny
2:06 I think he threw it on because he heard how Jeremy got rid of the spirits by wearing a costume (well part of it)
0:06 you've literally begoned a devil with a holly fnaf bible
6:36 In Jeremy's case, dying would've arguably been the better option. Considering what happened to Phineas Gage, and the various people who had lobotomies. Unfortunate that one of the only survivors in the series is...him.
welp that settles it, alabama is never gonna recover from this
ok?
@@siresquawks yeah
I have a crazy idea but sometimes I think William planned everything he did like when you think about it each game he always ends up winning and he's a real smart guy so sometimes I think he planned for it to happen like in security breach every ending may have some of him defeated but there's always one loose thread to show he wasent fully defeated and in FNAF VR we know he obviously won by possessing Vanessa (and most likely others) and FNAF 6 like think about it he may have been in that fire but he said so himself he knew it was a trap, and think really think what did he get about it: Henry, Charlie and Michal 3 people who wanted to stop him are dead and he's still out there stronger then ever as a virus. And this leads me to FNAF 3 knowing Williams a smart man he's done enough remnant experiments to know "you die in robot you become robot" and he's had first hand exspirienc with Springlock to know how they work while also knowing those kids want him dead to move on.
So what I'm saying is. What if he planned it? Get rid of this kids and get immortal life
After all he's only lost once he's dead and he always comes back so he always wins
Of course that's just my crazy ramblings but it's fun to believe
That would be an amazing reveal, but yeah I don't think it's what's being implied. Would be a wicked thing though.
2003?
ouch...
anyway the reason William put on the suit has nothing to do with golden freddy, its just that the animatronics don't recognise you in a mask
I mean that still goes back to my point, golden Freddy and most of the other characters are fooled by a mask or can’t attack you at least. Though that said Foxy’s spirit should be in there and if he isn’t fooled by the mask then I guess he just doesn’t give a shit or this really is about the spirits not being able to attack someone in a mask, or it’s just a plot hole. Either way the point was William isn’t being dumb or nonsensical in this scene when it’s often dismissed that way.
2003 is implied by phone guy saying the animatronics have been around for 20 years when the company was founded in 1983 as shown in Help wanted.
However there are weird comments like “the most dangerous job in 1993 was a night watchmen” in AR and a few other things like it which mention 1993, which is why I brought it up as the reference point for the earliest year to build Fnaf 3’s year off of.
elizabeth is so confusing... like why is she evil now and i don't think she would think michael is her dad to give him remnant IDK
Here is some common misconception I see crying child is not the character who experiences in fnaf 4 nightmares it being proofed to be michael because we see michael draw nightmares Fried fredbear and the survival log book should be canon
5:24 the handunit line is about the rental service. the rental service was opened after freddys closed (most likely he is talking about teh franchise freddys and it is just after 1993 but whatever). the pizza world was open earlier. and in pizza world they had a springlock suit. which leads into your point earlier:
4:16 while springlocks werent fredbear exclusive, they were banned early on. we know this now for a fact because of pressure in the third tales book. they mention how the suits were banned shortly after their creation. so circus babys pizza world also was there early on, since they had a springsuit. this ligns up with the newspaper articel in the cancelled due to leaks teaser. the newspaper says it wasnt the right time for an operation like this. so them immediatly opening the rental service would contradict that. the newspaper implys that it takes a few years until the time has come for the cricus baby franchise. so pizzaworld was around in the early 80s, springsuits were banned around the mci, and after fnaf 1 william breaks in to get the remnant from the animatronics for the funtime animatronics, as we see in follow me, and sister location the game happens.
The issue with the logic "they waited for years afterwards" is the line in the source code of the canceled teaser: "If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!" implying that the rental service was started soon after. The line about being the wrong time referred to the scale and ambition of the pizzeria and has nothing to do with their ability to switch to rental service. Plus, Baby says that the Springlock suit was never used the way it was meant to be used.
The springlock suits are banned in a Freddy Fazbear's pizza, which would be around the MCI, which still leads to my overall point in the video that Elizabeth isn't the inciting incident of the franchise.
Tbh I always just thought William put the RUSTY AND WET SPRING LOCK SUIT.
Out of fear (his face) and poor planning since he instantly started to laugh Afterall.
It definetly was out of fear, but it also would have worked.
CBPW could of opened after fnaf 2, but sl either takes place before fnaf 1 or a little bit after fnaf 3 cause of the custom night cutscene for sl
That’s sorta what my SL timeline video comes to. Either way it’s way after other kids have died.
I would concentrate at the remnant's existence.
1.what really is that - how can be obtained?
2.how does this works? -How the possesion follows?
3. How can the fnaf characters know about the remnant? -How they know how to manipulate it?
-I think we should think about this bc before we start talking about something' it's good to know what this something' is.
The simple answer is the game's have kept it far more vauge than the books have. The books are very detailed about remnant and agony, but all we know in the games is, it makes things sorta alive when in it, it gets destroyed when heated, it's malleable when heated, and that's it.
@@siresquawks we can use other info. From what i know Freddy files Ultimate edition book have proven that agony is the remnant (they are the same) At this point we can speculate more about remnant in the games.
Not sure if I’m right but one thing that I think everyone overlooks is that the spirits don’t move on from the animatronics once William breaks them apart. Phone guy states that the back room was boarded up and we have no reason to suggest that it was opened and re shut between that tape and fnaf3. This means that phone guy was ALIVE after William got springlocked, and since he dies to the animatronics we know they must’ve been put back together after being broken. This logic seems airtight to me but if there’s something I’m overlooking please do tell me.
The issue is that this implies that both tape and Fnaf 1 phone guys are the same person which has always been unclear since their personalities differ a little each time.
Secondly it’s unclear if the false wall was still there when Faz Fright’s crew goes there. They go there because of the promise that something may have been left behind in a safe room, but it’s unclear if William put up the wall, if someone else did, if the follow me minigames are somehow before fnaf 1 which makes no sense, etc.
There’s a lot of questions left in what happens after Springtrap dies in the safe room.
@@siresquawks For the first point it’s very likely that Phone guy and the training tapes are the same person. We know that Scott had access to “other voices” due to Phone dude, if he wanted them to be separate people he’d use a different voice. As for the second point it’s unlikely that William put the wall up since he was springlocked and why would anyone take down the wall only to put it back up? Also I may be misremembering but doesn’t phone dude say they took down a wall and found the safe room, or something along those lines?
6:47 If you try to go towered the animatronics Fred plush stops CC. CC only goes towards them because of the employee coming towards him.
That's because the employee is actively coming for him and because the spring lock suits where built to look like the animatronic.
I know. And I didn't say otherwise.
My point was that he's afraid of the animatronics/the springlock suits.
@@siresquawks So if a big old purple bare who you think is yellow. Showed up to house, and knowing lead you to the dead body of a little girl. You'd assume the Bare did it, yes?
Also he's not freaking out because he's getting away from restaurant,
and if you think people are being killed by the characters there, inside or out. You going to want to get out.
And your chances go up the longer your there.
He could have scene the mci. But then there would be a night mare spring bonnie. Rather then just a plush.
Unless Afton wore a the Fred Bare suit? But I think into the pit confirms its a bonnie suit.
Random question.
Do you think the daygaurd from fnaf 2 was William?
I personally think it was becuase phone guy mentions in one of the later nights (like 4 or 5 or something) that the shift became available.
He seems to trail off in a way that makes it seem like something bad happened.
Yep. I think they realized who they had working there and got rid of him or something like that.
Maybe the crying child wanted to get their dad to take accountability for getting him killed.
Eh, I have a hard time believing that with his meek personality.
@@siresquawks could have gotten a push from the mci kids?
@@Barakon it still would be pretty weird given that.
@@siresquawks yeah
I think that Michael went through enough agony in his death, being scooped and robots forcing their way inside his skin, to remain after death just as the kids who were killed also stayed in the suits, in the fnaf universe agony allows one to attach ones soul to inanimate objects (a corpse is pretty inanimate), the residual soul is remnant, however you can have just agony posse sing something, such is the case with the toy animatronics after receiving pieces from the originals, but agony just makes unstable killing machines, this is probably the case with the blob, this would explain why it is still possesed even though we thought the spirits moved on
Agony hasn’t been confirmed to be in the games yet.
Plus, like I said in the video and my pinned comment, Baby says he would die, and the Scooper’s blueprints show it can inject remnant. No mentions of Ago y so there’s no reason to assume that’s part of the equation.
@@siresquawks the agony did not come frome tge scooper per say, but from the pain, agony is pain, this is also how afton became springtrap, the agony of tge spring locks crushing him for years bound his soul to the suit, simply put, pain/agony is required to make remnant, but only agony is required to make animatronics move, abliet erratically, this is why happiest day works, the agony is dispelled so the souls are unbound, hence the remnant is undone
With your springbonnie idea I also believe that the other reason William put the suit on is to scare them, its the suit he used to murder them
Hand unit isn’t talking about Circus Baby’s coming after Freddy’s, it’s talking about the rental service
i thought afton put the suit on cuz it was the suit he killed the kids in so he can scare them away by triggering the fear they felt seeing a character they like kill them
Maybe, but it helps that this canonically prevents a ghost(?) from killing you
Watching this brought me back to FNAF 2 night 1 phone call 📲
2:22 For a while I thought you meant spring bonnie in that was actually not spring bonnie and was instead golden freddy LOL!
I personally think the fnaf 3 vhs tape calls happened in 1984 - 1986, mostly because I dont understand why they need springlock animatronics when the toys are able to interact with the guest on their own. Also, in the tapes phone guy says that the suit slightly moved meaning that it was just used, and I highly doubt that the fnaf 2 mci kids were murdered on different days(we literally see their corpses scattered around the pizzeria in the save them minigames and even if people were too blind and dumb to notice, Im pretty William isnt that stupid). Not to mention that on the last night in fnaf 2, phone guy says we shouldnt be there and that theres a search going on about william using the ol springlock suit(this could mean that the fnaf 2 mci happened before the night shift).
0:44 I don’t see how this makes any sense given any of Baby’s lines in fnaf6 though. If she thought Micheal was William, why would she attack him? Why would she say “you don’t really know who your employer is, do you?” To him? That makes zero sense lol
Whoa, I just had a Mandela effect. I swear I remember the FNaF 1 phone call saying "I-It’s amazing how long the human body can live without the frontal lobe, you know?" and not "I-It’s amazing that the human body can live without the frontal lobe". That is crazy!
About the circus baby's being after the closure of Freddy's: It's very likely that handunit is refering specifically to the rental service, meaning CB's could be anywhere in the timeline. The remnant stuff guarantees it was after the first death, but the presence of a springlock suit sits it a bit earlier, I'm guessing around the point they were being phased out. " You’re inside something that came from my old pizzeria. I don’t think it was ever used, at least not the way it was meant to be used. Too dangerous." Circus baby's pizza world probably launched alongside The original Freddy's that the withereds came from, but only lasted a day, due to...complications. Two attempts to rebrand. one with clowns and balerinas, one with Pirates and chickens. Them, after the Withered location shuts down, Afton has had just enough time to rebrand and launch the rental service, before going to the closed down withered location and dying in a suit.(Phone guy knows saferooms were sealed, phone guy dies before fnaf 1, ergo saferooms sealed before fnaf 1)
Rental service is confirmed by the traders to be right after Pizza World closes.
In the closed due to leaks teaser’s source code the following can be read:
“If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!” Implying that as soon as Pizza world went down, they switched to the rental service. They are back to back chronically.
@@siresquawks darn, I always forget the source code. Well I'd still argue there was likely a year or so of downtime after "keep an eye out" for William to put together the infrastructure for the new business, and deal with whatever consequences a missing daughter brought to his doorstep. He seems like a busy man.
Ur exactly right.
Only reason he put the suit on in my eyes is to scare the ghost kids away
Also Elizabeth likely died before or after the second set of dead kids in FNAF 2
Elizabeth’s dies no matter what after the MCI kids, Charlie, and the bite victim which was my main point.
@@siresquawks I agree with that, I'm saying it's before or after the FNAF 2 Dead kids in the Save them mini game. Not the first MCI where the bodies were "never" found.
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I know this video's old, but I just want to point out that FNaF 1 is confirmed to be in 1993 due to a piece of evidence either in SB or in AR, that basically says that the most dangerous job position in america in 1993 was night guard, plus there's also other pieces of evidence that seems to indicate FNaF 1's location was open from 1988 to 1993.
With the ennard split: why is no one talking about the ennard vent minigame? He gets roasted and damaged thanks to babys descision to go back to a place with a scooper to get a new skinsuit. Thats my take on it
We don't know if the Ennard Vent minigame is just part of the Fazbear VR experience or not.
arent the events of the fazbear VR experience loosely based on actual events...or total fabrications from the mind of a complete lunatic? Just keep the possibility in mind.
Jeremy has a tombstone at the end of FNAF 6, so yeah, unless there are 2 Jeremy's he does die
I mean there are 3. Jeremy the MCI victim, Jeremy Fitzgerald in fnaf 2, Jeremy in VR.
@@siresquawks Man, this franchise is just unironically a mess for the sake of being a mess
@@siresquawks my man Scott just hates Jeremys huh?
weird bird thing turned into giygas at the end
Am I even the only one who thinks that the crying child is the vengeful spirit?
Yes
Probably all though I'm curious why you think that
@@cameronhester6446 1 we know almost nothing about Cassidy, I don’t know why she would be more important than the other victims, It’s just doesn’t make sense.
2 we all know that the Crying Child has a big connection to Fredbear, so it makes sense in a story standpoint that he possessed Golden Freddy right? In the fnaf 3 mini game (I forgot the name) we can clearly see Fredbear’s Family Diner with a crying child eating a cake. C.C got bitten at his birthday right? So it makes sense that the kid in the mini game is the crying child.
3 it makes a lot more sense in a story standpoint that the crying child, being abused as a child by his father is now torturing him for eternity.
4 I know that William didn’t kill literally killed him but he did indirectly. He created the springlocks, the reason why he got bitten in the first place. I think that William put the crying child’s dead body inside Fredbear to put him back together. (Sorry for my bad English, I’m French)
But feel free to tell me what you think :)
@@achedail0389 well Cassidy doesn't need to be more important than the other spirits to be more vengeful people are different
If it was confirmed that William made the Springlocks maybe this could work (even then it’s a bit of a stretch) but if Henry made them then it falls apart.
I’ve never liked the logic “we don’t know much about -insert any character-“. Why introduce a character named Cassidy in the logbook clearly separate from the Bite Victim after UCN had come out, for no reason.
Lore of Misconceptions YOU may have in FNaF momentum 100
Another misconception is that the bite of 83 is a springlock failure I'll tell you know that is not true in order for a springlock failure to accur the suit has to be in suit mode not animatronic mode and we know for a fact that fredbear is in animatronic mode not suit mode also if evan/crying child's death was due to springlocks failing then
1. Why is there no one in the suit and if there is someone in the suit wouldn't they have stopped the bullies before they even got to the stage
2. How didn't the guy in the suit die from this springlock failure
Its very clear that the bite was not a springlock failure
I just found out the channel and have been enjoying a lot of your videos, but this one just honestly really poorly thought out.
The springlock suits are the main example. The mention of William moving the Spring Bonnie suit is a reference to the MCI, thus why they seal the safe rooms with the poor excuse of "budget constraints" in the next call. William took the suit, lured the kids into that room and due the event, the room was sealed off and it's heavily implied there wouldn't be safe rooms in future locations.
Going by Henry's dialogue in FFPS as well as the aforementioned fact, Spring Bonnie was never moved to the FNAF 1 building, it just stayed in that sealed room and was there in the FNAF 3 minigames since the FNAF 1 building is just that location repurposed. And as for FNAF 2, in that case, the spare suit in the back is one of the withereds (they're all there for spare parts), Golden Freddy. Phone Guy says there's ONE yellow suit in the back, and we know Golden Freddy was in that building. This also matches up with how he similarly used Fredbear for his later murders in the books.
Speaking of the books, they also clear up another point in the video, being William's death. It's not because Golden Freddy disappears when you put on the mask, considering the spirit doesn't disappear here and that was likely just a result of it not identifying you like every other animatronic when you put on the mask, it's because the children are broken. They can't recognize Spring Bonnie as William. When he's wearing that suit, he's one of them, in his own words.
There's other stuff here I'd have something to say about but eh not worth the trouble, and there's 177 comments, surely they've mentioned that stuff.
The first fact. Why do you think, that baby revives Michael, because she thinks that he is her father. Also, she wants to kill kids too. I think she revived him, because he is her brother. And he helped her escape, so maybe she's thankful??? But I'm not sure about that.
My only issue is that there’s no implication she figures out it was Michael. In Michael’s monologue he just says they though I was “you” (William), and leaves that there.
@@siresquawks okay, first of all, I'm saying that not because i don't like your video, but because you're know what your talking about.
Second fact. I think he wore it because he killed this kids in this suit. As i remember, he did not saw golden freddy earlier in the game, and also he wasn't in his "golden freddy form". I think he just tried to scare them.
Okay with this one, i just want to know. If Elisabeth was killed after fnaf 2 and 1, that means Michael was a security guard before he became a zombie? But then this whole thing with odor don't make much sense (maybe it don't need to make sense)
Don't answer if you don't want to, i just found this small details even more interesting then the BIG TIMELINE at this point.
i also want thick cookie oreos
Ok where did you get that Scrap Baby render from?
Can't find a comment about that, and you asking that in the vid got me curious. If it isn't fanmade then what is it with it?
I think it's fan made but I don't have the original image, and using a screen shot hasn't gotten me far reverse image searching. It's a good render so I'd love to find who made it, because I don't think it's official.
The reason William built the SL bots the in the first place is because he noticed that his first child “C.C” possessed SpringFreddy after he was killed due to Michael. Sure there’s a bit of a jump in logic that one child haunting a bot = All children will haunt the bots, in which completely understandable but its a better explanation than William immediately building the SL bots to just kill kids under a hypothesis he made while in a crack binge
I mean regardless I see no logic where Elizabeth dies before the bite victim which was one of my main points.
@@siresquawks The only argument going for it is nightmare Freddy having the mouth on his chest and the girly bedroom. And knowing Scott he would have clarified or made something alluding to that in Sister Location since he tries to clarify things in followup games
The whole Elizabeth thing is definitely something matpat will get wrong in the fnaf tineline. Because of what you just mentioned.
Hell maybe the reason she wasn't in her room in fnaf 4 was because she was with her mom at the time being
@The Keeper No, because she's dead
Is there any animatronics that are possessed by adults? Idk if I count springtrap as it is shown that he can change suits and stuff he probably is just using the suits and he is more like Micheal situation.
Williams definitely unique.
I think the prior guards like phone guy might play a part in the greater haunting of Freddy’s but that’s more a headcannon.
@Sire Squawks it would be so cool to see though. Seeing how they handle it differently from children.
The only thing I can think of is maybe the technicians that died in Entertainment and Rentals, and Phone Guy maybe possessing a Freddy suit
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I don't know about the Elizabeth thing.
But I would have to find an alternate interpretation.
Because I don't think those animitronics exactly have to be linked as much.
Only when all are created and even then it brings up questions.
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Yeah I don't know why people think they saw Charlies death when they might die before Charlie.
Yeah the funtimes are weird. That said I stand by them being after Freddy’s 1.0 until given something proving otherwise, because it’s the only clue we’ve got.
@@siresquawks I'm waiting for Ruin so much but honestly I don't know if even RUin would answer this maybe what's next or what's after that.
and about the 1 phone call in fnaf 1 with their server lockings turned on too long making them walking around why not just hire an on-site engineer, man! they DO perform maintenance on these things, right? And, if theyre allowed to roam free, what the f*ck do you need a night guard for? whats a thief or a murderer gonna do to them? Also why is phone guy so f*cking nonchalant about that? A-And, more importantly, how does he know thats what they would do to me? Also Also, who was the massive, 200 IQ GENIUS that thought to program the animatronics that way?! Did they not think "Hmm... Well, THAT could be dangerous to actual human beings."? even WORSE, who was the 300 IQ SUPER BRAIN that found out that the animatronics were programmed like that and went, "Huh, oh yeah, lets just leaveem like that."?!
I have a dumb head cannon that they hire security guards just to keep the animatronics busy, and because they almost always die they never have to pay them, meaning they can keep the animatronics from trying to leave while barely spending anything. But there’s not much evidence for that, even if it is in character for the company.
@@siresquawks i see
wait so who is balloon boy? i saw a theory saying that he is from circus baby entertainment
he is either hacked or just another dead kid, if William killed another 5 kids at that location, which i think is the case tbh.
Random Kid murdered in save them
The fnaf 3 tapes being recorded over a long amount of time isn’t true though, at leas the way you present it here.
The incident that Phone guy alludes to in the fnaf 3 night 5 call is the original missing children incident which involved the spring Bonnie suit. We know this since phone guy identifies only the spring Bonnie suit being noticeably moved. The incident that happens in fnaf 2 wasn’t the original missing children incident since it had already happened
It could be, but my point still stands that based on the final tape, that these aren’t back to back. Spring Bonnie can’t be sealed in original Fredbear’s or original Freddy’s because it wouldn’t be in Fnaf 1’s location. That was my main point.
@@siresquawks Or the fnaf 1 location IS the original Freddy’s.
We at least know the previous location mentioned in fnaf 2 was the same location where the original murders occurred, and we know the location that phone guy is recording the fnaf 3 tapes is the one where the original murders occurred since the spring Bonnie suit was moved, the one used for the original murders. The fnaf 1 location being this previous location would explain why the spring Bonnie suit was by itself
@@stopmotionartist4987 Maybe, but William still had access to the springlock suits in fnaf 2, meaning they hadn't been sealed away yet, which would mean the SpringLock suits weren't sealed away until fnaf 1 anyways.
@@siresquawks I’m not sure we can assume the suits were meant to be sealed within the safe rooms. The most we know about the suits was that they were being retired to “an appropriate location” to be examined by a technician but the safe room isn’t named. This is kinda interesting considering how the safe room is mentioned without hesitation in the rest of the calls. It’s not like phone guy was trying to hide the safe room so I feel like the “appropriate location” was intentional.
Another issue I have with the calls being so spread out is that the calls feel like they were made as though they were responding to the same individual. The night 2 and 3 calls are definitely meant to happen after one another, and the night 4-6 calls feel like additional updates. It makes more sense for all calls to have been recorded before the first Freddy’s closed. Not to mention the sealing of the safe rooms was implied to have been done with haste since there was no intent to check and see what was in the safe room before they were sealed, so it makes sense for Spring Bonnie to be sealed within the safe room while the fredbear suit was left out and became a spare suit.
I feel like the spring lock suits are more associated with William Afton then Freddy's the company or the original establishment, as thr company wouldn't want to use something so unreliable, and if I understand sl correctly it was made by William Afton . Perhaps it's an old concept for the sl animatronics using modern materials with an old desogn. Idk why I needed to say this it really isn't important just my thoughts on why there is a spring lock suit in sl more then anything idk
Maybe.
still waiting for someone to dig into Jeremy- so convinced "he is someone" it's not even funny anymore hahahaha alone in my theorycrafting for so long :`( hehehe
I am pretty sure Jeremy died as phone guy is an unreliable narrator as he has said many things Incorrect like the whole playing dead line. Plus there is no proof he is not lying like it’s the night guards first day so why say that the last guy died horribly?.
Also the golden Freddy one implies that William worked at fnaf 2 or 1 to be believed as I doubt he would figure it out in his own time. Like when would afton know this?. I think you are jumping ahead I am pretty sure he got in the suit to ether scare them or to not be harmed (assuming him being in the suit protects him). Another quick thing if he knows the head would get rid of spirt why put on the full suit?
On that first point, there’s no proof he’s lying either. Most of what he says in 1 has some truth to it or is said with skepticism.
William is heavily implied to have been the night guard before Jeremy. The game makes a big deal about not wanting prior guards in the building, and Save them Shows William after hours in the building, when Golden Freddy can be found in the same minigame.
He’s met the active animatronics inarguably.
@@siresquawks The William bit I didn't know so thanks. But I am pretty sure Jeremy died due to what we know about phone guy. In the frontal lobe part he says a lot of uh's and ums which is a sign of being nervous which is off as he wasn't this nervous during it. Plus when he says it the line he sought has a reflecting or thinking tone to the voice which to me comes off as him seeing the frontal lobe missing attack rather then a statement. To me I can see Jeremy living to the hospital but shortly dying after. ( Unless there is evidence that isn't from phone guy, who let's on more then he knows. I can't see him living)
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Why do you record inside of barrel? Lol
Yes, it's roomy
I would say you got that first part wrong, and it's much simpler than that - we know for a fact the S.C.U.P. is a remnant injector; Michael got scup'd and therefore he had remnant injected into him
Also your 2003 date is inaccurate. I know where you're coming from, but that logic implies 2004 because of the paycheck's date
Yeah this video has some flubs. I stand by 1993 more now because of Fnaf AR.
But I stand by that it Was Baby’s intent to keep “William” (actually mike) alive. The mechanics were just wrong in the video.
@@siresquawks actually, unused things in FNaF AR are the weakest argument I've found for 1993 (that would be giving the Cassidy is Princess Quest argument strength, even with them changing the name)
I think 2004 makes more sense now, but common sense would imply it's 1993 simply for the fact that it was an uncontested date since the very first game. Scott likes to clear up misconceptions on followup games, and it doesn't start actually being a plot hole until FNaF 4 and later Help Wanted, when no one (probably including Scott) had an issue with that date
Usually I feel "common sense" is the strongest argument
Also yea, maybe Baby tried saving who she perceived to be her father or just told him that so he would know how to react
Where the hell does 2003 come from?
Phone guy saying "If I had to sing those songs for 20 years" with 1983+20=2003
@@siresquawks The Company started in the early 70’s. Fredbear’s opened in the 70’s, and the main 4 animatronics followed shortly after Fredbear’s
@@emperorvader283 I know- I wasn't saying I agreed in this instance- or if I said that in the video it's been a while and don't agree or remember agreeing.
@@siresquawks You mention it as the 3rd Freddy’s location.
Yeee
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*Plz read* I feel like I'm the reason this video exist, lol 😆. Though I still kinda believe in Elizabeth dieing being the reason William does at least some of what he does. It makes some sense in my opinion for 4 main reasons:
1. Who else would William be talking to in the beginning of Sister Location about showing his own creation.
2. It does line up with the sister being absent in FNAF 4 and why William has an ipentire bunker made under his house where he spy's and haunts his youngest child and let's Michael torment CC so to make sure that he stays away from the Pizzeria. There's no reason that the bite of 83 and Elizabeth's "death" can't happen around the same time as each other plus Henry was the original creator of the franchise and William is just a business partner who has to have experience in the first place to even become a partner.
3. It just makes sense as a story telling stand point, Scott said himself that FNAF 4 was supposed to be the end of the franchise and he told the story he originally wanted to tell. FNAF 4 left some things up in the air that we couldn't fully understand so Sister Location exists only because Scott wanted to expand the lore and what better way to do so then to further explain what the story he's telling us while also adapting it into a new story that follows the first 4 games.
And 4. Freddy Fazbear's Pizza opens as a Sister location to Fredbears Family Diner as said in the calls we get from Phone guy, implying they exist around the same time which makes sense as William would still need access to the Spring Bonnie suit he uses to kill the 5 kids and can still kill Henry's daughter as we know that she wasn't the first child William himself killed as it's confirmed that Chica was the first.
Elizabeth dieing can make sense as the motivation for William killing the first group of kids and when he was gone doing it his youngest child to be forced in the Fredbear suits mouth putting him in a coma, since William at this point would be working at Fredbear's Diner so he would be there either watching on the plush cameras or actually in the Location while it's happening.
Among some of the other stuff I replied to you with, this can make some sense in the longrun. It definitely doesn't fit 100% and I completelyrespectyour opinion, but nothing does fit 100% in this franchise at this point apart from that it's so confusing and frustrating to figure out at times.
Scott may need to do what Sega is doing with Sonic and coming up with a definitive timeline for the franchise.
Plus the Funtimes can't of been made for the primary reason to lure and capture kids since there was the bite of 83, multiple murders and restaurants being closed and the original Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy containing the the bodies of said murder victims. There would of been so many red flags if versions of those characters were indeed capturing kids the moment they were brought out to preform for birthday parties after all that stuff.
Scott knows that even with all the magic and chaos in this franchise, there still has to be some realism and possibility for this stuff to happen otherwise the story wouldn't be fascinating and created a whole community that now we all both love and hate at the same time.
Plus Elizabeth dieing can also be the reason why the Security Puppet exists. Henry (who could be the voice we hear William talking to about Baby) heard what a creation of William's did to his daughter and wanted to have a precaution as he doesn't want his own daughter or anyone else suffering the same fate.
The canceled due to leaks teased has comments about the closing of Circus Baby’s Pizza World.
One of them says “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!” Implying that Circus Baby’s rental was formed right after Pizza World closes. This is important because it basically confirms that when Handunit says “due to the massive success and even more so the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza, the stage was set no pun intended for a new face in children’s entertainment” means that Baby and the funtimes were all created after Freddy’s closes.
Since phone guy in Fnaf 2 says that Fredbear’s was closed for a while but talks about old Freddy’s like it just closed down or was fairly recent, we can assume that Freddy’s closes after Fredbear’s does, and so Circus Baby’s has to be as well. Elizabeth dies on the one test day Circus Baby’s was open, so she dies after the bite victim, since Fredbear’s is still open in Fnaf 4’s mini games. Since Charlie’s death happens not to far away and so does the MCI in Freddy’s, this means Elizabeth is minimum the 8th dead kid in the franchise.
This isn’t an opinion, and this fits exactly with how things are presented.
@@siresquawks i understand but I just want to share my own theory. If you don't mind, I would like to clear up some of the stuff I said and also ask you some questions.
Obviously Freddy's doesn't close straight away because there would have to the oders from the decay of the bodies or the children.
And I did say the Funtimes themselves had to of been made after the incident since they would of been looked at and kept away from the children if they were made at the same time, but how do we know that Baby or even Ballora are officially Funtime animatronics? The name would of had to been given primarily for the different versions of the original characters and she is only ever been referred to as "Circus Baby".
Also Baby herself was trying to gain our trust and use us, so she could of stretched her story for us, like i said in my earlier replies the Minigame and her story don't match up, so can her words be taken as 100% fact and why would she even tell us the story since Michael said "they thought I was you"?
And finally how in fact could the funtimes be used for being rented for parties right after all the locations were shut down, there would have to be time for William's to handle all the legal issues and being a suspect to the murders, then when he gets off free he realises that the animatronics are acting wierd and Baby's eyes changed and then conduct his research and experiments to find out about remnant and how the souls work inside of the animatronics.
These are just concerns that I have with the timeline you put in place, but I can happily except myself being wrong as all I really want is to contribute what little I can do for a community that personally helped me and got me fascinated as a kid.
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fnaf 1 is 93
The only evidence for that is general paycheck stats that don’t even hold up well.
Phone guy in Fnaf 1 says that the animatronics have been around for 20 years, and according to help wanted Fazbear entertainment was founded in 1983, for a total of 2003. Not 1993.
Edit: So, I didn't know about the FNaF AR Facts that bring up 1993 a lot, which seems to imply that FNaF 1 is in fact in 1993.
@@siresquawks I don't see why it wouldn't hold up well. Fnaf 2 takes place in 1987, and it's paycheck reflects the minimum wage of 1987.
In the Fnaf AR Faz-Facts, the year 1993 is mentioned twice.
"Fazbear's "Twisted" Pizza Recipe was voted "Most Yummy!" by 6 out of 10 children in every survey from 1988-1993!"
"In 1993, the most dangerous profession in the United States was actually night security guard."
As for Phone guy's line, I could really just see it as a extragerration or minor retcon.
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