Its really funny to me that Michael as a child would be like "This married woman with a child is being constantly gaslit she's just like me for real i relate so hard to her" is so funny to me, just a troubled teen seeing himself in this character from a dumb sitcom
I love the huge contrast of the aftons in the different timelines. One is a menacing figure committing horrible acts in the background and the other is living up the life as a flamboyant corpse in a robe lmao
We actually know for a fact that William Afton doesn't fully understand what's going in with the possessed animatronics because he panics when he sees the ghosts in FNAF 3. He thought that remnant was the explanation, but it's clearly more supernatural than that.
The Crying Child seeing Elizabeth's death thing had been bothering so much, especially for the reason you stated. Like. Sister Location makes it super explicit that Baby can only kidnap when the kid is alone. There has never been implications that there was an exception, especially for Elizabeth's death. And it doesn't make sense for Crying Child either. The quote is clearly implying that Crying Child saw something benign in the shadows and made it out to be a lot scarier than it was. And you know what we see in the shadows that could look crazy to a child? William Afton helping a person into the springlock suits. Which explains why he'd be afraid of the suits but not the characters- there's people in them! Kids are sometimes scared of costume mascots and clowns for a similar reason.
In that same vein, the phone guy and restaurants' information and training materials work place accidents and injuries involving the springlock suits was a well-known concern. Who's to say crying child didn't see an employee attempting to climb in/out of a suit or just interact with them and get injured. The games didn't bother telling us if he saw Jeremy the animatronic actor or some other employee getting a hand bitten off, crushed into a meat pretzel, or whatever. They didn't bother telling you because the company wouldn't bother specifically telling you either.
Exactly! Even the timeline doesn't add up. According to cannon fnaf timeline Circus baby's pizza world opened after Freddy's fazbear pizza closed. It's been basically confirmed in Fazbear frights stories that Missing Children Incident happend in 1985 and even the timeline fits with this. Crying child died in 1983 so how could he saw Elizabeth dying? The only avidence these people have is that Elizabeth's room was empty in Fnaf 4 but this argument can be dekunbed. Fnaf 4 was supposed to be the last fnaf game so why would they introduce new character? Also just because her room was empty doesn't mean anything, especially not her being dead. I believe Crying child saw Charlie's dead body during Midnight motorist. The reason he is scared of animatronics is because he thought Puppet killed her since Puppet was literally next to Charlie's dead body. "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child." This quote from Fnaf World is literally reffering to this moment, to support this I strongly believe that Glitched Fredbear plush from Fnaf World is Charlie and we as Crying child are setting up The Happiest Day after Fnaf 6. There's even more avidence. Whenever Fredbear plush in Fnaf 4 started talking about what Crying child saw the yellow colour changed emplying that William isn't speaking anymore but Charlie. We know it's not William because we can see William being busy at Fredbear's. She is trying to warn him from William but Crying Child believes Fredbear is talking about the Animatronics since he did not saw William killing Charlie, he only saw Puppet and Charlie's dead body. Also the one who said "I will put you back together" isn't William. It's Charlie, it literally explains how Crying child possesed Golden Freddy but he died in hospital at the same time. Charlie saved him the same way she did with other Missing Children. Most importantly is that this all is perfect with the timelines. This makes more sense than Elizabeth one tbh
@SammyBoy_samik the timeline is incredibly unclear specifically in the times/order of death of Henry and Williams children, everything else makes sense on its own, but is conflicting when trying to put those deaths in their proper place. As much as it's fun to theorize, there is a certain degree of outside world cannon that has to be considered, and if retcons happen, they would he there. Fnaf 1 was written with no lore planned for 2 or even a 2 to begin with. 2 was written with 3 in mind. 3 had no plan for 4. 4 was not made with sister location in mind. Sister location wasn't written with simulator in mind. And I think everything gets a little dicey from there. In my personal head-cannon, the easiest way is to accept inconsistencies and any plot holes is to take the entire series at face value, told as urban legends by teenagers in a town that did have a Fredbears/Freddie's that did close down. Was it because of a murderous owner, possessed animatronics, missing children? Probably not but that was in the 80s man who cares. _Have you ever heard the story of... the missing kids incident_
While I'm not saying I disagree with you, if I were I'd probably just try to bring up that he could've been hidden since it would've made sense if he was scared of the animatronics. Unfortunately this take is basically impossible to prove or disprove
Exactly, OBVIOUSLY the cream is the best. It's the Priority Goods. The cookie, while decent, is sort of the "byproduct". Yeah, it's good, but doesnt slap as hard as the cream. The reduction of Cream over the years really is an actual warcrime though...
The "indie game developer retcon" really needs to be seen in the angle that, yes, the main gameplay does exist in universe, BUT all the easter eggs and minigames either are real stuff that Fazbear Entertainment is trying to hide because they are TRUE, or they are not canon to the universe, therefore making them FACTUAL EVIDENCE. Like Elizabeth's death, CC's death, Afton's springlock failure, etc.
Thinking about this more in depth, I don’t hate this retcon actually It logically justifies any inconsistent illogical gameplay mechanics cuz’ they ARE games and they exist to cover up the truth about Freddy fazbears legacy This could even explain dream theory and literally everything inconsistent… it’s all deliberately presented to throw us off (in-universe explanation I mean) It’s a sort of smart canonical retcon that makes sense of the conflicting lore pieces, which actually makes me think sister location isn’t even canon at all and that’s all just the developer making it all up to twist things up more by injecting his own ideas and interests in sci fi It’s possible for the most part only FNAF1-4 actually happened, SL is complete bullshit and made up with maybe some reality behind it and simulator is a fabricated made up conclusion It eerily fits and it’s a nice subtle and meta nod to Scott’s trolling. If you really really think about it, it does make a lot of sense The only truthful things is the missing children incident, a bite incident, rumours of animatronics going mental, a serial killer- what If everything else (remnant, mad scientist, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. EVEN SPRINGLOCK SUITS) are all a fabrication… lies by Fazbear entertainment… But then you realise something has to inspire FNAF 3, something had to reignite fazbear entertainment and how do you explain security breach… Hmmm…. Just food for thought.
I feel like someone should make a close comparison of the version of the first three games and their version in VR All the differences would be then separated and seen as canon
I still think Immortal and the Restless was meant to hint that you're playing as William's son in SL which wasn't confirmed until custom night was added
I never see anyone point this out, but if I recall it's NEVER stated ingame that "fire destroys remnant." The SCUPer blueprint says that "overheating," referring to the line immediately above about sustaining a temperature high enough that the substance is malleable but not more, "MIGHT neutralize the effects permanently." It's a hypothesis erring on the side of caution. Also, thanks for pointing out the Clara thing. A lot of theorists gloss over or never mention a ton of details like that, leaving fans who don't/can't play the games or read the books themselves completely unaware. And a LOT of the community falls into that category. Hell, I'd love to see a video that's JUST stuff like that. Details with inconvenient implications, things easily missed or glossed over, etc.
Also despite everything the faz company has done, the horror attraction company knowingly used a guy that died in a spring lock failure as a main attraction (even if they didn't know it was alive its still kinda weird) ans the place Is like breaking every osha volition with how messed up the technology is.
We need you to make a timeline. You seem to look deeper and contradict a lot of the more famous theorists so I feel like it would be the most “cannon”.
William's not any more of a scientist in the novels than he is in the games. At the very end he admits that he has absolutely no idea what he's doing. It's funny because he talks so big, but it's all a facade to make himself feel better.
Honestly, I like how you clarified that Immortal and The Restless would make more sense as an Afton family analogy, even if the evidence says otherwise. A lot of people tend to get caught up in their headcanons and what they personally prefer instead of trying to reach the truth. I can't say I blame them either since a lot of interpretations are better stories than the most likely one. Heck, I still believe Sister Location happened before Fnaf 2 and that William is still dead, so I guess I'm one of those people. 😅
I never got that angle for purple dude's motivation either. what dude running a kid's pizzeria in the 70s and 80s suddenly decides "yea i could probably figure out this immortality thing" as his motivation. even more insane he saw these cheap robots and dangerous suits destroy his family and his immediate thoughts were "theres probably some goop in there that'll make me immortal, glad i killed or im planning to kill my business partner's daughter for it". he has a shaky relationship with a business partner and his family is falling apart right out from under him. clear, grounded things that can create a foundation for what his motive couldve been. going "oh he wanted to experiment with the remnant mcguffin stuff" as it was tacked on right at the end of pizzeria sim when there was already decent groundwork just feels incredibly shallow.
My personal take on Help Wanteds semi retconning of previous games was more so just to sweep some of the inconsistencies and gameplay features under the rug so we could move on and focus on new fnaf
Yeah, but I feel like the joke got out of hand and they went with it, kinda like "tempering with animatronics" was a joke that in custom night you can change their level of agression aka. TEMPER WITH THEM, but then it bacame a huge part of the plot:/
Ironically the video about misconceptions contained a misconception according to FFPS fire doesn't destroy remnant but instead "it might neutralize the effects of remnant" I sure do love being a smartass.
I agree with all of this, especialy the last one, which is just objective fact and people who deny are deluded. However I will just say: the cryign child didn't have to be in the room to see Elizabeth get clawed - he could have seen it through a window or doorway, or even on a secuirty monitor. I still don't think it IS this he saw (I'm of the opinon what he thought he saw was at Fredbear's hence his specific fear of that place) but you can still see something without being in the room with it.
Once again, as I sort of say, this requires a big unexplained leap, that the room just happens to have windows he was looking into with. I get it, but that’s real weird story telling.
Even with a windows or door explanation it's iffy. Like, Afton makes this advanced robot designed to kidnap kids unnoticed by checking if anyone else is in the room, but it can't check if someone is looking through a window or door? That's a pretty big design flaw if Afton doesn't want to get caught.
Hear me out. No hate, just discussion. In security breach we learn about a certain Billy A. that won a custody battle against his wife by forcing his children to lie on the stand. Considering that we hear from this about Vanessa A., a girl who's talking about her father, this indicates that most likely Elizabeth is the one lying. This makes sense because of what we know of Elizabeth, being Daddy's girl and all. This means that Elizabeth is alive by the time of the custody battle. The custody battle is a direct result of the divorce, which happens because Afton devotes himself to his work, after a tragic event such as one of his kids dying. But if Elizabeth is still supposed to be alive by this point, then wouldn't that mean that it'd be Crying Child whose death is to be the cause of the divorce? This lines up with what we see in terms of technology. Freddy's seems to start with a fur suit, then onto a robotic fur suit, then onto actual independent robots. If William had the technology for the Funtimes BEFORE the bite of 83 (and consequentially the MCI and DCI), why wasn't it used for the robots in THOSE restaurants? Why were the animatronics still using such rudimentary pieces when Afton had plenty of knowledge to improve them? Moreover, Sister location is directly opening after a Freddy Fazbear's pizza closes. Not the Diner, mind you. The pizzeria. Here's the problem though; there was no pizzeria before the diner, and every pizzeria afterwards has known dates and reasons why they were closed (MCI for FFP 1, DCI for FFP 2, rumours and bad press for FFP 3). What other pizzeria could there have been prior to '83 and what possible reason to close could there have been for this pizzeria, and moreover: why was none of that mentioned ever? Not to mention the fact that, if there was a pizzeria running simultaneously and that got shut down, the stage wouldn't be "set" for an alternative to children's entertainment, because the main 2 weren't out of business. That all goes without mentioning the fact that Afton doesn't have a reason to create the Funtimes, nor does he have a reason to have hidden cameras locked behind password 1983, nor does he have the skills to develop these robots by now because if he did he wouldn't need Henry in the first place, regardless of whether you believe that Henry is a competitor to William that bought him out after he went bankrupt. Moreover, if he has the technology to lure and kill children using animatronics before Charlie's death, what's the point of him driving up to the diner himself and roughing her up in the alley instead of sending an animatronic to do the dirty work? Elizabeth/Baby has always shown to be loyal to William, it's not like she would disappoint him or purposely disobey him? She did once and died, you think she wouldn't remember that? As for the Crying Child, what he sees is explained (in my opinion) in the opening of FNAF world. "what is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child" if this game is about Crying Child, then this quote is about him too. There's no denying that. It could literally be something regarding the way that employees take off their mascot costumes. Nightmares are not representative of what he sees, because he doesn't see them; Michael does. It's why we see Michael draw the nightmare Freddy in the security logbook. In fact, since these are caused by William in an attempt to scare and torture his son, we can safely assume that William altered the way they looked to Michael, including a mouth in the stomach, which, if SL comes after bite victim's death, we can safely assume is something he was working on. While the nightmares work on an individual's perception, meaning that the exact coloring and details are left up for grabs, it could be that the shape IS something that can be influenced by William. The voice doesn't say that circus baby E&R is created because of FNAF's unfortunate closing. It says that FNAF's closed and that's why an alternative to it in the market of kid entertainment has been created in SL. It actually doesn't reference CBPW OR CBE&R. It also makes more sense that CBE&R would have launched immediately after the creation of CBPW. Why would you wait any amount of time? Remember, his goal with the Funtimes was to collect remnant to revive his dead son. Now his daughter is also dead, even if she's inside Baby. You think he'd just sit there and not try and revive his other child into an animatronic? It makes more sense that, considering the fact that Baby seems to have worked successfully in reviving his daughter, that he'd try frantically to revive his other dead child. To add onto that, if Elizabeth died first, he would 100% have KNOWN about the possession stuff by the time Crying Child died. So he would 100% have stuffed his son into Golden Freddy, molten it down and inserted it into Funtime Freddy, instead of having the multiple children (5 beings into 1) be the thing that entered Funtime Freddy.
i can't wait for your cassidy video personally, your takes are SO refreshing and you're like the only theorist that looks at everything objectively and in a GROUNDED way, instead of their theories being clouded by some kind of bias from the rest of fandom and/or trying to take everything way too literally/connect things that just don't make sense basically i hate the mess that is how fandom sees/treats cassidy and im excited to hear your cass takes lol
no offense to other theorists either, i love em all. i like hearing any theories regardless how wrong they might be lol squawks and rye are def my number one Gs tho 👌
True, it's like people are desperately trying to throw Cassidy off the canon. And are so insistent that Cassidy can't possibly have a different gender between canons, when entire characters have different constructions in between lol like Baby in each canon is different and with a different name, or Charlie is a robot in the silver eyes. As a matter of a fact, Cassidy becomes in the latests parts of the timeline a VERY important character. A key soul to let everything in the modern timeline happen as we know it. But people seem to be craving for evidence to say it's actually Andrew, and it always has been him when in reality not only there's no factual evidence, but it is also narratively incoherent. He has never ever been even hinted in the games other than the secondary alligator mask kid sprite in happiest day, which really proves nothing by itself.
@@nadie887, I agree with this all, but I just need to nitpick one thing. Isn't the Charlie in The Silver Eyes a replica of a Charlie that existed previously? I have the book and it seems to be the implication.
Altough I believe OMC is the Old Man, the Zelda reference could be a good point. What I think is strange,is that OMC tells us to "Leave the demon to his demons.Rest your own soul." And at the end of Princess Quest II OM says:"Your quest is done.Time to sleep." Which seems ODDLY similar. Maybe that's another Zelda reference(I never played the games) and I would like to know.
Zelda 2 is like an hundit years after 1 and the Link from Zelda 1 wakes up to save her too. I dont remember why he is asleep. Most games start with Link waking up actually 🤔
With William I don’t see him as an evil mad scientist, honestly the dude is basically testing the whole thing with remant and such, we don’t really know what he was planning with it, but it wasn’t immortality or taking over the world.
Yes, in that both theories are true. He's also phone guy and springtrap and crying child and glamrock freddy and old man consequences and william afton and the vengeful spirit
8:46 in some of fnaf AR's emails they mention Springtrap as a vintage animatronic that isn't part of their official roster being "accidently" sent out. So I think Vanessa and Glitchtrap are behind his AR appearances.
10:21 the reason why you should eat the whole oreo, the cockie and the cream, is very simple, cream is light and the cockie is darkness, light without darkness is blinding, darkness without light is an abyss, you can't have a good life with only one side
I mean the old man in PQ could very well be both a Zelda reference and OMC there's no reason why it can't be both. I'd love to know more why you don't think that's the case because to me the parallels between PQ mini games and the relationship of OMC and Cassidy are pretty undeniable imo
Honestly they REALLY aren't connected. Literally half of the minigame stuff is just abstract Zelda style dungeon crawling (PQ1), then we get to Help Wanted stuff. Cassidy doesn't go through the Grimm foxy maze to get a Vanny mask. Nor does Cassidy get the glitch trap plush to go to a locked door. All of the "prior Fnaf" references are because they exist in Help Wanted as the various minigames where Vanessa found all of the glitchtrap fragments. The 5 gravestones, which are ALSO in curse of dreadbear, if slightly different. And lorewise it's not like Cassidy's the one going around doing shit, at the end of Princess quest 3, the comic shows GREGORY playing the arcade cabinet, showing it was his choices and actions that free Vanessa. So if Cassidy was the princess, it devalues them so much. Apparently they went from creating a nightmare/hell scenario for an immortal bunny man to needing a 12-13 year old kid to play their arcade cabinet to free the not-immortal bunny lady. It would be baffling story telling.
@@siresquawks that's all valid tbh, but then what about the dialogue in PQ2 where the old man say "your quest is done, time to sleep" despite the fact that the princess continues on, almost suspiciously similar to what happens in the UCN easter egg. That combined with the matching colors and the file name(although yes it was removed but it was still there at some point for some reason) makes it kinda hard to believe these are it's just a big coincidence. Even if the princess isn't actually Cassidy I think there's at least an intended parallel between her journey and the PQ mini games
I saw someone say "Silver Eyes William is 100% gay, we never see his wife and Elizabeth looks nothing like him" with that picture of him in a bathrobe, and you describing him as flamboyant made that canon to the novels in my mind
You know what the point about William made me realize? We're gonna get so much of these types of questions about the characters personalities and general behavior answered in the FNAF Movie. That's so damn exciting!
I’ve been loving watching your content here and there over the past few months, but to be completely honest the oreo bit won me over fully. I love hearing your takes and theories on the series, and this video to me feels like you are really settling into your grove of content creation and your style within it. I am absolutely delighted and excited to see what you come out with next!
tbh I'm wondering if the Clara thing is included in the Survival Logbook as a way to tell fans "no, look, this was just a fun little sitcom, it ain't that deep". Obv Scott didn't want to just say that, so giving it a canonical meaning that's pretty superficial and straightforward is a good workaround.
The Immortal and the Restless is probably about how William disowned Michael and him relating to Clara is because of his own experiences. Help Wanted’s games inside a game thing is just a meta joke, I have no idea why people went apeshit over it when it retconned nothing.
From what I can tell from the thumbnail, the Cassidy video looks like it will be about EXACTLY the thing that's been bothering me for a while now about the fan base and how it shoves Cassidy's potential as a well written character aside in favour of the much more bland and frustrating Andrew interpretation. Safe to say I'm super excited
Im soo excited too it bothers me so much too. I’m just so confused why people are hungering to get rid of some of the only fun and interesting characterisation (that’s consistent) in the franchise. I feel like this may be silly to say but do people just not believe the spirit of a little girl can be angry and ruthless. It feels like “ the vengeful spirit is angry and spiteful and cold. Must be a boy!” Like I could point out all the logical issues, but the rationale behind people who would never otherwise take the books so literally taking Andrew soo seriously has to say something. Cassidy is such an interesting character to be so important, there’s no rain for anyone working or the games to muddy that or take that away because honestly it being Andrew over cause doesn’t seem to effect any post UCN stuff anyways.
@@lieeeleeee I think the reason people say it can't be a girl is because Mangle and Withered Chica refer to the vengeful spirit as a he, completely ignoring how A: Cassidy isn't confirmed to be female, and B: the Puppet shows that gender of the animatronic is usually prioritised over gender of the spirit
@@randomrhino4371 I actually agree that Cassidy’s gender isn’t confirmed and I honestly don’t care that much now anyone refers to them, I just don’t get why people go “oh Cassidy’s gender isn’t confirmed and is confusing, oh they must not scaly be the vengeful spirit and it’s a completely different character we made up from the books”. Like I sorted my other stuff wrong in that I understand Cassidy’s gender is debated but I’m interested at how because Cassidy using she/her was popularised people are doing word things with the Andrew theory
@@lieeeleeee I can explain, the real reason as to why people refer to Cassidy as a girl is because the books technically confirm that Cassidy is a girl with long black hair (hence the ponytails) Even Game theory said this multiple times and refers to Cassidy as she...because the books say so, and where does Cassidy appear? In the missing kids incident witch included Gabriel, Susie and Fritz (still have no clue why Jeremy wasn't mentioned but eh.) This is the only explanation I can give since it was graved in my mind and when I see people arguing about Cassidys gender I always want to say the books confirms it but then again I'm afraid people would bash me because not many people like the books you know? Anyway, hope this kinda cleared it up.
I personally have NEVER seen that part of the logbook being talked about in the FNAF community, HELL I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT BEFORE EVEN THOUGH THE LOGBOOK IS MY FAVOURITE FNAF MERCH 😭😭 why did everyone ignored that part as Mike's characterization
Fun fact about Springtrap in AR, in the canon of the games he was never actually supposed to be in the funtime service at all, as according to an email, the main reason Faz Ent actually knew he was there was they were getting numerous reports of an old Bonnie model that was very smelly. It's likely that Vanny or someone else in the company snuck a mass produced version of Springtrap into the service without others knowing.
Is it possible that the Funtime's unique endos are a heavy insight into how Afton builds robots on his own and does it explain the blob to some extent? I was starting at them the other day and thought; "why the coils?" then I thought; "are those tubes?" thhheeeeennn I thought; "are those tubes just full of remnant/fazgoo?" And then watching your thoughts here on Afton not actually being a mad scientist got me thinking; If someone discovered that ghost sweat animated/haunted objects and could make them move, wouldn't that be an easy way to skip over having to manually implement the means of creating a fully-functional animatronic/autominous robot? If something, like a tube, was filled with ghost sweat and then wrapped around an endo frame, wouldn't it then start to move as one unit? It makes me wonder if Sister Location's "sci-fi vibes" are a dude that is not actually technically as inclined as you'd assume and is instead taking a supernatural short cut to smooth over the lack of know how? Further, perhaps if those are tubes of remnant sometimes "remember" and that's why they are irratic; they're so disenbodied at this point that they are usually "stable" but there are still hiccups. A man in a purple security guard uniform, an English-man with a certain shaped face... But as long as they aren't reminded, they follow whatever the programing of the machine dictates? This is sort of connected to the theory about Springtrap in FNAF3 co-existing with the springlock suit still running; meaning he walks towards the voices of children regardless of what his zombied-out self wants because the programing prevails/wins over most of the time. (GEMS did a fan animation of Springlock getting interviewed and this happens during the interview, which is really interesting to see visually). Perhaps it would even explain how Springlock becomes more challenging over the nights, because he is progressively fighting the suit harder and harder to get to you.
i mean, not to say that ypu are wrong or anything but i find the likely answer to "why wires" is that wires are more similar to muscle, and can actually be used to pretty good extent in robotics. also as a side note, i doubt william made them by himself, he clearly has engineers still working the facility years later (and talks to someone about their questionable design)
@@Sopsy_Hallow I agree that the engineers at SL are something we need to take into account and that I also continuously forget to account for. However, I do want to point out those aren't wires; they are hollow coils you can buy as giant rolls. That's where the suggestion of something being placed inside of them came from; they are empty for the purpose of something to be strung or pumped through them; so what is Afton pumping through the coils? Why have hollow coild then wrapped around, in a very intricate pattern, across a metal frame? What is inside the coils that serves a purpose and why wrap them in a muscular-structure pattern across the frames, when there's not logical reason to do so? Unless the coils are filled with something that has properties that cause them them to animate like muscles; which wouldn't be wires/electronics... But could be caused via a gas or liquid. And in a setting with " haunted ghost sweat", why would the answer just be a real-world liquid or gas?
The immortal vampire has the exact mannerisms as the purple figure with a cleft chin in the commercials of fnaf 6. Strongly implying that's its symbolic for william.
On the Immortal and Restless point Mike saying he identifies with Clara could just be that. Mike identifies with the character of a show he's very clearly a fan of. It's not necessarily the only lore-related meaning that the show is locked into having but I do agree Mike's logbook comment on the show is too overlooked by the fanbase. The rest of the video I'm 100% on board with especially the BV seeing Elizabeth's death point. It didn't register to me that Baby's killing programming would not activate if BV had been in the room with Elizabeth but you're absolutely right there is no way in hell BV could have seen his sister die.
I only watched you for a few months and I have to you are my favorite FNAF theorist you actually make your theory's makes since and don't make a giant leap based on miner detailed
I love mat. But just this alone shows that even he doesn't pay attention to all the little details like he makes people believe he does. (Still love watching him tho. Even tho he does this)
Actually the Old Man in PQ2 is OMC, not only is he red like OMC but he tells the princess (Cassidy) to rest after you beat PQ2 which parallels the scene between the two of them in UCN. I'm pretty sure back in the original version of SB he was called OMC in the files but like with Cassidy it was changed. I like the idea that The Immortal and The Restless cutscenes are about William gaslighting Michael but I do still think it's also showing Willam and Mrs.Aftons relationship. Vlad is definitely supposed to represent William, they both wear purple, they both have sons who look like them, they both have a night shift at a fast food joint, Vlad shares some poses with the man in the FNAF 6 cutscenes. If this was just about Michael being gaslit then why even have the running bit with Vlad not acknowledging his son? I do think your right though that Clara represents Michael (at least as an adult) it would give a whole new meaning to the title The Immortal (Vlad/William) and The Restless (Clara/Michael). Or we could just be overthinking this and Scott just put that in to show Logbook/FNAF 1 Mike is Michael Afton Also technically Scott Cawthon appears in FNAF 57: Freddy In Space in FNAF World Update 2 As always this was a good and enjoyable watch ^_^ (I especially liked your explanation for Springtrap being an official character in the fazbear brand)
FYI he also doesnt agree with the princess being cassidy either. I dont either tbh. The princess isnt anybody. No reason to believe theres a soul inside the princess because she never actually does anything by herself, shes always being controlled either gregory or the vr tester. She shows no signs of possesion.
A lot of this I agree with like yeah the crying child didn't see his sister get killed as you have both the baby dialogue and the shadows line from the page . A minor thing I have is them hearing the tapes as to me it doesn't seem likely it would happen. In all honest I can see phone dude picking up the tapes and just thinking it would be a good thing to play over the speaker.
Honestly William may not even be smart by in universe or irl standards I mean to be fair how often do kids die around robotics/animatronics, William may just have gotten lucky
Maybe i just need a refresher, but how do we know william afton is in a high position or a "founder" of fazbear entertainment? We know he's in charge of afton robotics, but he's not the one making the robots, he might be editing the blueprints at most because if he was also creating them, why would they ask him about his design choices? Like you said, he's a businessman, not a mad scientist, we know for certain he worked as a mascot character with spring bonnie and a security gaurd at one point, but i cant remember a point where he was shown to be in a much higher position in the fazbear company, maybe outside of being a security/mascot for the company, his company was just incharge of supplying fazbear entertainment with their animatronics this entire time (building a good relationship with them) and he actually doesnt have a high position in fazbear entertainment?
It's been loosely implied that Afton's had a connection to Faz Inc for a while. Henry says "old friend" refering to William, and he says he made the classic animatronics in the insanity ending. So it implies at the very least William and Henry have connections to the early productions of the robots, which implies some level of authority or involvement. IN AR it's implied William had connection to early character creation. William's in fnaf 4 putting someone in a costume, implying at the very least he's been higher ranking in Fazbear entertainment since the beginning. In the novels it's outright stated they founded Fredbears.
You brought it up, so I'll talk about it here. Help wanted was not a retcon, or a reboot, like you said, all the lore was left out of help wanted's version of fnaf 1 2 and 3. At best it decanonizes the gameplay loop itself, but even then fnaf 1 must have been somewhat similiar since fnaf 4 is based on fnaf 1's layout and gameplay. The whole series is still canon dammit.
Lore or whatever aside i think the "fnaf games exist in the fnaf universe" is mostly a reason to have them be in help wanted but also have new fnaf lore there too (the tapes, glitchtrap, y'know) without it being like "oh it's not canon/questionable because the fnaf games are there!!" And "oh these games are made by some random indie dev but WAIT he was hired by fazbear entertainment to make light of their dark past!! So who knows how much is really real from the gameplay!!!" Makes sense
Can you someday talk about how the ennard vent minigame is the catylist to the split in the ennard tribe? Cuz nobody is talking about it or taking it serial.
7:40 I’m gonna be honest, and I’m gonna get destroyed. F.N.A.F.4, to me, is a good game, and has a good narrative, but fits in the worst then any other game. - It confused a lot, if not everybody. - What’s in the box? - What does Evan possess, if he possess anything at all. - Him possessing FredBear makes no sense as there’s already a spirit, as establish by previous mini games. No one knows what to do with this, so some people theorized he was Shadow FredBear, despite Happiest Day mini game. But the whole Stitchwraith helped people to theorize that there can be more then 1 spirit. Honestly, the whole multiple spirit thing doesn’t do anything for the game lore, cause they barely focus on the ghostly FredBear, aftermath of F.N.A.F.4. So it’s worthless. Imo Evan is such a pointless addition, doesn’t do anything at all in the series. Tbh, I wish it was retconned, as much as I like the narrative in F.N.A.F.4, I don’t think it should’ve been part of the timeline. That’s all I have to say.
"There's a possibility that overheating might neutralize the effercts permanently" The games NEVER states that it is a fact that remnant is destroyed in fire/heat, only outlines the possibility, so I genuinely think that fire just does not work and cannot release souls -> springtrap survived the fire in FNaF 3 If William was building something using already collected remnant he would have to smelt the iron from old animatronics to new, aka. the temperatures higher that any fire could be So, the games tells us directly - nah, bro, no way that works
If you were supposed to eat the cookies and the cream separately, they would've begun selling them separately. Eat them together or don't eat them at all. Also wouldn't your "bigger cookie" idea basically just be a whoopie pie?
I agree that the cookie is the best part of the Oreo, they are what makes Oreo cookies after all, and why anything above double stuffed is just straight up worse than even base Oreo. But at the same time, if you took away the cream, you'd definitely be removing an important part of the Oreo experience.
although I don't have much of a horse in the race regarding the whole "crying child seeing Elizabeth's death" thing I would like to add one detail, what is the staple to all of the games up to this point? the thing that has been in almost every single game leading up to and including security breach? The cameras! if the crying child were to see Elizabeth die through the cameras that would be a way to circumvent the baby's child counting software, and who else would have a better possibility to access the cameras then the kid of one of the owners of the restaurant.
Игры
Its really funny to me that Michael as a child would be like "This married woman with a child is being constantly gaslit she's just like me for real i relate so hard to her" is so funny to me, just a troubled teen seeing himself in this character from a dumb sitcom
I love that for him. A silly guy
Yeah, lol
That's kinda cute, tho
hes like teenage me fr 🤣
I love the huge contrast of the aftons in the different timelines. One is a menacing figure committing horrible acts in the background and the other is living up the life as a flamboyant corpse in a robe lmao
"a flamboyant corpse in a robe" might be the best sentence i've read in my life
We actually know for a fact that William Afton doesn't fully understand what's going in with the possessed animatronics because he panics when he sees the ghosts in FNAF 3. He thought that remnant was the explanation, but it's clearly more supernatural than that.
I thought Remnant is supernatural?
@@azimuddin1890 yeah but ghosts are even more
@@mylam658
Hold on, I thought Remnant is pieces of ghost infuse with an object or something?
@@azimuddin1890 it is. Saying ghosts are a higher level in supernatural doesn't mean it isn't supernatural at all.
@Azim Uddin afton: It is and more With this remnant, I could become immortal
The Crying Child seeing Elizabeth's death thing had been bothering so much, especially for the reason you stated. Like. Sister Location makes it super explicit that Baby can only kidnap when the kid is alone. There has never been implications that there was an exception, especially for Elizabeth's death.
And it doesn't make sense for Crying Child either. The quote is clearly implying that Crying Child saw something benign in the shadows and made it out to be a lot scarier than it was. And you know what we see in the shadows that could look crazy to a child? William Afton helping a person into the springlock suits. Which explains why he'd be afraid of the suits but not the characters- there's people in them! Kids are sometimes scared of costume mascots and clowns for a similar reason.
In that same vein, the phone guy and restaurants' information and training materials work place accidents and injuries involving the springlock suits was a well-known concern. Who's to say crying child didn't see an employee attempting to climb in/out of a suit or just interact with them and get injured. The games didn't bother telling us if he saw Jeremy the animatronic actor or some other employee getting a hand bitten off, crushed into a meat pretzel, or whatever. They didn't bother telling you because the company wouldn't bother specifically telling you either.
Exactly! Even the timeline doesn't add up. According to cannon fnaf timeline Circus baby's pizza world opened after Freddy's fazbear pizza closed. It's been basically confirmed in Fazbear frights stories that Missing Children Incident happend in 1985 and even the timeline fits with this. Crying child died in 1983 so how could he saw Elizabeth dying? The only avidence these people have is that Elizabeth's room was empty in Fnaf 4 but this argument can be dekunbed. Fnaf 4 was supposed to be the last fnaf game so why would they introduce new character? Also just because her room was empty doesn't mean anything, especially not her being dead. I believe Crying child saw Charlie's dead body during Midnight motorist. The reason he is scared of animatronics is because he thought Puppet killed her since Puppet was literally next to Charlie's dead body. "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child." This quote from Fnaf World is literally reffering to this moment, to support this I strongly believe that Glitched Fredbear plush from Fnaf World is Charlie and we as Crying child are setting up The Happiest Day after Fnaf 6. There's even more avidence. Whenever Fredbear plush in Fnaf 4 started talking about what Crying child saw the yellow colour changed emplying that William isn't speaking anymore but Charlie. We know it's not William because we can see William being busy at Fredbear's. She is trying to warn him from William but Crying Child believes Fredbear is talking about the Animatronics since he did not saw William killing Charlie, he only saw Puppet and Charlie's dead body. Also the one who said "I will put you back together" isn't William. It's Charlie, it literally explains how Crying child possesed Golden Freddy but he died in hospital at the same time. Charlie saved him the same way she did with other Missing Children. Most importantly is that this all is perfect with the timelines. This makes more sense than Elizabeth one tbh
@SammyBoy_samik the timeline is incredibly unclear specifically in the times/order of death of Henry and Williams children, everything else makes sense on its own, but is conflicting when trying to put those deaths in their proper place.
As much as it's fun to theorize, there is a certain degree of outside world cannon that has to be considered, and if retcons happen, they would he there. Fnaf 1 was written with no lore planned for 2 or even a 2 to begin with. 2 was written with 3 in mind. 3 had no plan for 4. 4 was not made with sister location in mind. Sister location wasn't written with simulator in mind. And I think everything gets a little dicey from there.
In my personal head-cannon, the easiest way is to accept inconsistencies and any plot holes is to take the entire series at face value, told as urban legends by teenagers in a town that did have a Fredbears/Freddie's that did close down. Was it because of a murderous owner, possessed animatronics, missing children? Probably not but that was in the 80s man who cares.
_Have you ever heard the story of... the missing kids incident_
And if CC was afraid of the animatronic characters must have been due to the bullying from his older brother and his friends (of Michael I mean).
While I'm not saying I disagree with you, if I were I'd probably just try to bring up that he could've been hidden since it would've made sense if he was scared of the animatronics. Unfortunately this take is basically impossible to prove or disprove
10:18 And now we get to 'that part' of the theory. The part where it makes you completely stop and go "...what is this guy going on about?!?"
Exactly, OBVIOUSLY the cream is the best. It's the Priority Goods. The cookie, while decent, is sort of the "byproduct". Yeah, it's good, but doesnt slap as hard as the cream.
The reduction of Cream over the years really is an actual warcrime though...
your fnaf videos are so refreshing in a community where everybody just goes along with whatever theory is generally accepted
Guy has only about 7k thousand subscribers, give it until above like 20k or 15k and he'll fall down the same rabbit hole
@@thejunktownsheriffkilliand4800 you really think?
@@thejunktownsheriffkilliand4800 no trust me
@@karlisulmanis3810 Repetition is success
@@thejunktownsheriffkilliand4800 🤓
the Oreo part of this episode is actually dating advice kids 👍
When it comes to Afton's immortality, there is something else besides remnant that is keeping him alive.
It is called plot armor.
I thought you were gonna say the cookie lol
He's not still alive
#MIMICSWEEP!!!
The "indie game developer retcon" really needs to be seen in the angle that, yes, the main gameplay does exist in universe, BUT all the easter eggs and minigames either are real stuff that Fazbear Entertainment is trying to hide because they are TRUE, or they are not canon to the universe, therefore making them FACTUAL EVIDENCE. Like Elizabeth's death, CC's death, Afton's springlock failure, etc.
Thinking about this more in depth,
I don’t hate this retcon actually
It logically justifies any inconsistent illogical gameplay mechanics cuz’ they ARE games and they exist to cover up the truth about Freddy fazbears legacy
This could even explain dream theory and literally everything inconsistent… it’s all deliberately presented to throw us off (in-universe explanation I mean)
It’s a sort of smart canonical retcon that makes sense of the conflicting lore pieces, which actually makes me think sister location isn’t even canon at all and that’s all just the developer making it all up to twist things up more by injecting his own ideas and interests in sci fi
It’s possible for the most part only FNAF1-4 actually happened, SL is complete bullshit and made up with maybe some reality behind it and simulator is a fabricated made up conclusion
It eerily fits and it’s a nice subtle and meta nod to Scott’s trolling.
If you really really think about it, it does make a lot of sense
The only truthful things is the missing children incident, a bite incident, rumours of animatronics going mental, a serial killer- what If everything else (remnant, mad scientist, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. EVEN SPRINGLOCK SUITS) are all a fabrication… lies by Fazbear entertainment…
But then you realise something has to inspire FNAF 3, something had to reignite fazbear entertainment and how do you explain security breach…
Hmmm….
Just food for thought.
I feel like someone should make a close comparison of the version of the first three games and their version in VR
All the differences would be then separated and seen as canon
@Starving_indev Ryetoast did a video like that I think!
I still think Immortal and the Restless was meant to hint that you're playing as William's son in SL which wasn't confirmed until custom night was added
I never see anyone point this out, but if I recall it's NEVER stated ingame that "fire destroys remnant." The SCUPer blueprint says that "overheating," referring to the line immediately above about sustaining a temperature high enough that the substance is malleable but not more, "MIGHT neutralize the effects permanently." It's a hypothesis erring on the side of caution.
Also, thanks for pointing out the Clara thing. A lot of theorists gloss over or never mention a ton of details like that, leaving fans who don't/can't play the games or read the books themselves completely unaware. And a LOT of the community falls into that category. Hell, I'd love to see a video that's JUST stuff like that. Details with inconvenient implications, things easily missed or glossed over, etc.
Yes, yes, yes! I think the same
Especially knowning springtrap survived the first fire, most likely the hypothesis of high temperatures is just wrong
What we really need is more oreo and cookies related content
Also despite everything the faz company has done, the horror attraction company knowingly used a guy that died in a spring lock failure as a main attraction (even if they didn't know it was alive its still kinda weird) ans the place Is like breaking every osha volition with how messed up the technology is.
We need you to make a timeline. You seem to look deeper and contradict a lot of the more famous theorists so I feel like it would be the most “cannon”.
Theres bound to be contradictions in details with a story with this many layers
@@pirilon78 fair
No cannons in the game. No canon either
William's not any more of a scientist in the novels than he is in the games. At the very end he admits that he has absolutely no idea what he's doing. It's funny because he talks so big, but it's all a facade to make himself feel better.
What a sad little man
yeah, i always saw william afton as more of a "cave johnson" type, not a "dr. frankenstein"
Honestly, I like how you clarified that Immortal and The Restless would make more sense as an Afton family analogy, even if the evidence says otherwise. A lot of people tend to get caught up in their headcanons and what they personally prefer instead of trying to reach the truth. I can't say I blame them either since a lot of interpretations are better stories than the most likely one. Heck, I still believe Sister Location happened before Fnaf 2 and that William is still dead, so I guess I'm one of those people. 😅
I never got that angle for purple dude's motivation either. what dude running a kid's pizzeria in the 70s and 80s suddenly decides "yea i could probably figure out this immortality thing" as his motivation. even more insane he saw these cheap robots and dangerous suits destroy his family and his immediate thoughts were "theres probably some goop in there that'll make me immortal, glad i killed or im planning to kill my business partner's daughter for it".
he has a shaky relationship with a business partner and his family is falling apart right out from under him. clear, grounded things that can create a foundation for what his motive couldve been. going "oh he wanted to experiment with the remnant mcguffin stuff" as it was tacked on right at the end of pizzeria sim when there was already decent groundwork just feels incredibly shallow.
My personal take on Help Wanteds semi retconning of previous games was more so just to sweep some of the inconsistencies and gameplay features under the rug so we could move on and focus on new fnaf
What did it retcon
Yeah, but I feel like the joke got out of hand and they went with it, kinda like "tempering with animatronics" was a joke that in custom night you can change their level of agression aka. TEMPER WITH THEM, but then it bacame a huge part of the plot:/
@@Starving_indev what
@@problempal5395 what do you not understand?
Ironically the video about misconceptions contained a misconception
according to FFPS fire doesn't destroy remnant but instead "it might neutralize the effects of remnant" I sure do love being a smartass.
Yeah, it PROBABLY destroys Remnant...
Which raises the question of how he even extracted it from Endos to begin with.
@@higueraft571 it canonically doesn't destroy remnant.
@@elliotnutella8044 Yeah, FNAF 3 is already evidence of that :V
I agree with all of this, especialy the last one, which is just objective fact and people who deny are deluded. However I will just say: the cryign child didn't have to be in the room to see Elizabeth get clawed - he could have seen it through a window or doorway, or even on a secuirty monitor. I still don't think it IS this he saw (I'm of the opinon what he thought he saw was at Fredbear's hence his specific fear of that place) but you can still see something without being in the room with it.
Once again, as I sort of say, this requires a big unexplained leap, that the room just happens to have windows he was looking into with. I get it, but that’s real weird story telling.
Even with a windows or door explanation it's iffy. Like, Afton makes this advanced robot designed to kidnap kids unnoticed by checking if anyone else is in the room, but it can't check if someone is looking through a window or door? That's a pretty big design flaw if Afton doesn't want to get caught.
Hear me out. No hate, just discussion.
In security breach we learn about a certain Billy A. that won a custody battle against his wife by forcing his children to lie on the stand. Considering that we hear from this about Vanessa A., a girl who's talking about her father, this indicates that most likely Elizabeth is the one lying. This makes sense because of what we know of Elizabeth, being Daddy's girl and all. This means that Elizabeth is alive by the time of the custody battle.
The custody battle is a direct result of the divorce, which happens because Afton devotes himself to his work, after a tragic event such as one of his kids dying. But if Elizabeth is still supposed to be alive by this point, then wouldn't that mean that it'd be Crying Child whose death is to be the cause of the divorce?
This lines up with what we see in terms of technology. Freddy's seems to start with a fur suit, then onto a robotic fur suit, then onto actual independent robots. If William had the technology for the Funtimes BEFORE the bite of 83 (and consequentially the MCI and DCI), why wasn't it used for the robots in THOSE restaurants? Why were the animatronics still using such rudimentary pieces when Afton had plenty of knowledge to improve them?
Moreover, Sister location is directly opening after a Freddy Fazbear's pizza closes. Not the Diner, mind you. The pizzeria. Here's the problem though; there was no pizzeria before the diner, and every pizzeria afterwards has known dates and reasons why they were closed (MCI for FFP 1, DCI for FFP 2, rumours and bad press for FFP 3). What other pizzeria could there have been prior to '83 and what possible reason to close could there have been for this pizzeria, and moreover: why was none of that mentioned ever? Not to mention the fact that, if there was a pizzeria running simultaneously and that got shut down, the stage wouldn't be "set" for an alternative to children's entertainment, because the main 2 weren't out of business.
That all goes without mentioning the fact that Afton doesn't have a reason to create the Funtimes, nor does he have a reason to have hidden cameras locked behind password 1983, nor does he have the skills to develop these robots by now because if he did he wouldn't need Henry in the first place, regardless of whether you believe that Henry is a competitor to William that bought him out after he went bankrupt.
Moreover, if he has the technology to lure and kill children using animatronics before Charlie's death, what's the point of him driving up to the diner himself and roughing her up in the alley instead of sending an animatronic to do the dirty work? Elizabeth/Baby has always shown to be loyal to William, it's not like she would disappoint him or purposely disobey him? She did once and died, you think she wouldn't remember that?
As for the Crying Child, what he sees is explained (in my opinion) in the opening of FNAF world. "what is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child" if this game is about Crying Child, then this quote is about him too. There's no denying that. It could literally be something regarding the way that employees take off their mascot costumes.
Nightmares are not representative of what he sees, because he doesn't see them; Michael does. It's why we see Michael draw the nightmare Freddy in the security logbook. In fact, since these are caused by William in an attempt to scare and torture his son, we can safely assume that William altered the way they looked to Michael, including a mouth in the stomach, which, if SL comes after bite victim's death, we can safely assume is something he was working on.
While the nightmares work on an individual's perception, meaning that the exact coloring and details are left up for grabs, it could be that the shape IS something that can be influenced by William.
The voice doesn't say that circus baby E&R is created because of FNAF's unfortunate closing. It says that FNAF's closed and that's why an alternative to it in the market of kid entertainment has been created in SL. It actually doesn't reference CBPW OR CBE&R. It also makes more sense that CBE&R would have launched immediately after the creation of CBPW. Why would you wait any amount of time? Remember, his goal with the Funtimes was to collect remnant to revive his dead son. Now his daughter is also dead, even if she's inside Baby. You think he'd just sit there and not try and revive his other child into an animatronic? It makes more sense that, considering the fact that Baby seems to have worked successfully in reviving his daughter, that he'd try frantically to revive his other dead child.
To add onto that, if Elizabeth died first, he would 100% have KNOWN about the possession stuff by the time Crying Child died. So he would 100% have stuffed his son into Golden Freddy, molten it down and inserted it into Funtime Freddy, instead of having the multiple children (5 beings into 1) be the thing that entered Funtime Freddy.
i can't wait for your cassidy video personally, your takes are SO refreshing and you're like the only theorist that looks at everything objectively and in a GROUNDED way, instead of their theories being clouded by some kind of bias from the rest of fandom and/or trying to take everything way too literally/connect things that just don't make sense
basically i hate the mess that is how fandom sees/treats cassidy and im excited to hear your cass takes lol
no offense to other theorists either, i love em all. i like hearing any theories regardless how wrong they might be lol
squawks and rye are def my number one Gs tho 👌
True, it's like people are desperately trying to throw Cassidy off the canon. And are so insistent that Cassidy can't possibly have a different gender between canons, when entire characters have different constructions in between lol like Baby in each canon is different and with a different name, or Charlie is a robot in the silver eyes.
As a matter of a fact, Cassidy becomes in the latests parts of the timeline a VERY important character. A key soul to let everything in the modern timeline happen as we know it. But people seem to be craving for evidence to say it's actually Andrew, and it always has been him when in reality not only there's no factual evidence, but it is also narratively incoherent. He has never ever been even hinted in the games other than the secondary alligator mask kid sprite in happiest day, which really proves nothing by itself.
@@nadie887, I agree with this all, but I just need to nitpick one thing.
Isn't the Charlie in The Silver Eyes a replica of a Charlie that existed previously?
I have the book and it seems to be the implication.
@@glasscardproductions4736 Yes it is, but it's still a version of Charlie non the less, and doesn't exist in the games. That was my point
@@nadie887, ah, yes. I understood that bit.
(I just thought you were highlighting a different aspect of it, lol)
Altough I believe OMC is the Old Man, the Zelda reference could be a good point. What I think is strange,is that OMC tells us to "Leave the demon to his demons.Rest your own soul." And at the end of Princess Quest II OM says:"Your quest is done.Time to sleep." Which seems ODDLY similar. Maybe that's another Zelda reference(I never played the games) and I would like to know.
it might just be both
@@gdeproductions1225 yeah
Zelda 2 is like an hundit years after 1 and the Link from Zelda 1 wakes up to save her too. I dont remember why he is asleep.
Most games start with Link waking up actually 🤔
With William I don’t see him as an evil mad scientist, honestly the dude is basically testing the whole thing with remant and such, we don’t really know what he was planning with it, but it wasn’t immortality or taking over the world.
Bruh "Clara is Michael Afton" has the same energy as "toy chicka is William Afton".
Yes, in that both theories are true. He's also phone guy and springtrap and crying child and glamrock freddy and old man consequences and william afton and the vengeful spirit
8:46 in some of fnaf AR's emails they mention Springtrap as a vintage animatronic that isn't part of their official roster being "accidently" sent out. So I think Vanessa and Glitchtrap are behind his AR appearances.
That part about the Oreo wafers felt like a revelation to me.
You spoke nothing but facts, nothing but truth. You’re a philosopher
10:21 the reason why you should eat the whole oreo, the cockie and the cream, is very simple, cream is light and the cockie is darkness, light without darkness is blinding, darkness without light is an abyss, you can't have a good life with only one side
I mean the old man in PQ could very well be both a Zelda reference and OMC there's no reason why it can't be both. I'd love to know more why you don't think that's the case because to me the parallels between PQ mini games and the relationship of OMC and Cassidy are pretty undeniable imo
Honestly they REALLY aren't connected. Literally half of the minigame stuff is just abstract Zelda style dungeon crawling (PQ1), then we get to Help Wanted stuff. Cassidy doesn't go through the Grimm foxy maze to get a Vanny mask. Nor does Cassidy get the glitch trap plush to go to a locked door. All of the "prior Fnaf" references are because they exist in Help Wanted as the various minigames where Vanessa found all of the glitchtrap fragments. The 5 gravestones, which are ALSO in curse of dreadbear, if slightly different.
And lorewise it's not like Cassidy's the one going around doing shit, at the end of Princess quest 3, the comic shows GREGORY playing the arcade cabinet, showing it was his choices and actions that free Vanessa. So if Cassidy was the princess, it devalues them so much. Apparently they went from creating a nightmare/hell scenario for an immortal bunny man to needing a 12-13 year old kid to play their arcade cabinet to free the not-immortal bunny lady. It would be baffling story telling.
@@siresquawks that's all valid tbh, but then what about the dialogue in PQ2 where the old man say "your quest is done, time to sleep" despite the fact that the princess continues on, almost suspiciously similar to what happens in the UCN easter egg. That combined with the matching colors and the file name(although yes it was removed but it was still there at some point for some reason) makes it kinda hard to believe these are it's just a big coincidence. Even if the princess isn't actually Cassidy I think there's at least an intended parallel between her journey and the PQ mini games
I saw someone say "Silver Eyes William is 100% gay, we never see his wife and Elizabeth looks nothing like him" with that picture of him in a bathrobe, and you describing him as flamboyant made that canon to the novels in my mind
More isn't always better with cookies or candy in general. If you make them too big, you can loose the crunch or the texture of the smaller one.
You know what the point about William made me realize? We're gonna get so much of these types of questions about the characters personalities and general behavior answered in the FNAF Movie. That's so damn exciting!
If the books arent considered an answer, then the movies arent either
@@Treesarewoke I do consider the books an answer to some extent tho, I believe the movies will be a similar situation
Is Markiplier canon? Lol
Since then he did a thing for fnaf AR
I think people think that the old man is Old Man Consequences is because I think (I'm not sure) that he was labeled Old Man Consequences in the code
I’ve been loving watching your content here and there over the past few months, but to be completely honest the oreo bit won me over fully. I love hearing your takes and theories on the series, and this video to me feels like you are really settling into your grove of content creation and your style within it. I am absolutely delighted and excited to see what you come out with next!
tbh I'm wondering if the Clara thing is included in the Survival Logbook as a way to tell fans "no, look, this was just a fun little sitcom, it ain't that deep". Obv Scott didn't want to just say that, so giving it a canonical meaning that's pretty superficial and straightforward is a good workaround.
The Immortal and the Restless is probably about how William disowned Michael and him relating to Clara is because of his own experiences.
Help Wanted’s games inside a game thing is just a meta joke, I have no idea why people went apeshit over it when it retconned nothing.
2:50 ah, so he’s an engineer then
From what I can tell from the thumbnail, the Cassidy video looks like it will be about EXACTLY the thing that's been bothering me for a while now about the fan base and how it shoves Cassidy's potential as a well written character aside in favour of the much more bland and frustrating Andrew interpretation.
Safe to say I'm super excited
Im soo excited too it bothers me so much too.
I’m just so confused why people are hungering to get rid of some of the only fun and interesting characterisation (that’s consistent) in the franchise.
I feel like this may be silly to say but do people just not believe the spirit of a little girl can be angry and ruthless. It feels like “ the vengeful spirit is angry and spiteful and cold. Must be a boy!”
Like I could point out all the logical issues, but the rationale behind people who would never otherwise take the books so literally taking Andrew soo seriously has to say something.
Cassidy is such an interesting character to be so important, there’s no rain for anyone working or the games to muddy that or take that away because honestly it being Andrew over cause doesn’t seem to effect any post UCN stuff anyways.
@@lieeeleeee I think the reason people say it can't be a girl is because Mangle and Withered Chica refer to the vengeful spirit as a he, completely ignoring how A: Cassidy isn't confirmed to be female, and B: the Puppet shows that gender of the animatronic is usually prioritised over gender of the spirit
@@randomrhino4371 I actually agree that Cassidy’s gender isn’t confirmed and I honestly don’t care that much now anyone refers to them, I just don’t get why people go “oh Cassidy’s gender isn’t confirmed and is confusing, oh they must not scaly be the vengeful spirit and it’s a completely different character we made up from the books”. Like I sorted my other stuff wrong in that I understand Cassidy’s gender is debated but I’m interested at how because Cassidy using she/her was popularised people are doing word things with the Andrew theory
@@lieeeleeee I can explain, the real reason as to why people refer to Cassidy as a girl is because the books technically confirm that Cassidy is a girl with long black hair (hence the ponytails) Even Game theory said this multiple times and refers to Cassidy as she...because the books say so, and where does Cassidy appear? In the missing kids incident witch included Gabriel, Susie and Fritz (still have no clue why Jeremy wasn't mentioned but eh.) This is the only explanation I can give since it was graved in my mind and when I see people arguing about Cassidys gender I always want to say the books confirms it but then again I'm afraid people would bash me because not many people like the books you know? Anyway, hope this kinda cleared it up.
@@sixsense1436 actually, if you look at the most recent upload, MatPat refers to Cassidy as they.
I personally have NEVER seen that part of the logbook being talked about in the FNAF community, HELL I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT BEFORE EVEN THOUGH THE LOGBOOK IS MY FAVOURITE FNAF MERCH 😭😭 why did everyone ignored that part as Mike's characterization
Fun fact about Springtrap in AR, in the canon of the games he was never actually supposed to be in the funtime service at all, as according to an email, the main reason Faz Ent actually knew he was there was they were getting numerous reports of an old Bonnie model that was very smelly. It's likely that Vanny or someone else in the company snuck a mass produced version of Springtrap into the service without others knowing.
Is it possible that the Funtime's unique endos are a heavy insight into how Afton builds robots on his own and does it explain the blob to some extent? I was starting at them the other day and thought; "why the coils?" then I thought; "are those tubes?" thhheeeeennn I thought; "are those tubes just full of remnant/fazgoo?" And then watching your thoughts here on Afton not actually being a mad scientist got me thinking; If someone discovered that ghost sweat animated/haunted objects and could make them move, wouldn't that be an easy way to skip over having to manually implement the means of creating a fully-functional animatronic/autominous robot? If something, like a tube, was filled with ghost sweat and then wrapped around an endo frame, wouldn't it then start to move as one unit? It makes me wonder if Sister Location's "sci-fi vibes" are a dude that is not actually technically as inclined as you'd assume and is instead taking a supernatural short cut to smooth over the lack of know how? Further, perhaps if those are tubes of remnant sometimes "remember" and that's why they are irratic; they're so disenbodied at this point that they are usually "stable" but there are still hiccups. A man in a purple security guard uniform, an English-man with a certain shaped face... But as long as they aren't reminded, they follow whatever the programing of the machine dictates?
This is sort of connected to the theory about Springtrap in FNAF3 co-existing with the springlock suit still running; meaning he walks towards the voices of children regardless of what his zombied-out self wants because the programing prevails/wins over most of the time. (GEMS did a fan animation of Springlock getting interviewed and this happens during the interview, which is really interesting to see visually). Perhaps it would even explain how Springlock becomes more challenging over the nights, because he is progressively fighting the suit harder and harder to get to you.
i mean, not to say that ypu are wrong or anything but i find the likely answer to "why wires" is that wires are more similar to muscle, and can actually be used to pretty good extent in robotics. also as a side note, i doubt william made them by himself, he clearly has engineers still working the facility years later (and talks to someone about their questionable design)
@@Sopsy_Hallow I agree that the engineers at SL are something we need to take into account and that I also continuously forget to account for. However, I do want to point out those aren't wires; they are hollow coils you can buy as giant rolls. That's where the suggestion of something being placed inside of them came from; they are empty for the purpose of something to be strung or pumped through them; so what is Afton pumping through the coils? Why have hollow coild then wrapped around, in a very intricate pattern, across a metal frame? What is inside the coils that serves a purpose and why wrap them in a muscular-structure pattern across the frames, when there's not logical reason to do so? Unless the coils are filled with something that has properties that cause them them to animate like muscles; which wouldn't be wires/electronics... But could be caused via a gas or liquid.
And in a setting with " haunted ghost sweat", why would the answer just be a real-world liquid or gas?
I've never heard anyone talk about the immortal and the restless in the logbook
I didn't expect him to start rambling about Oreos, but I'm all here for it.
I think what the crying child saw was the first of those two springlock failures
that's what i think too
Dude, the Oreo rant was incredibly factual, well-thought out, well-articulated, insightful, profound, and hilarious.
#CookersOverCream
I’ve been watching your videos all day, they’re really great and make sense lol
3:56 I *adore* how you rolled the r in Funtime Freddy. That caught me off guard
The immortal vampire has the exact mannerisms as the purple figure with a cleft chin in the commercials of fnaf 6. Strongly implying that's its symbolic for william.
I know the Oreo Cookie part is a joke but that part is exactly what I've thought about Oreos for years now.
You’re so underrated man, you’re so observant and coherent about your thinking towards the fnaf lore
Keep up the awesome work 👍
You know fnaf is so convuluted when someone needs to bring up oreos
Finally someone brave enough to say the truth about oreos.
In all seriousness though, this is an amazing video
Neat theory, and such, definitely worth it
On the Immortal and Restless point Mike saying he identifies with Clara could just be that. Mike identifies with the character of a show he's very clearly a fan of. It's not necessarily the only lore-related meaning that the show is locked into having but I do agree Mike's logbook comment on the show is too overlooked by the fanbase. The rest of the video I'm 100% on board with especially the BV seeing Elizabeth's death point. It didn't register to me that Baby's killing programming would not activate if BV had been in the room with Elizabeth but you're absolutely right there is no way in hell BV could have seen his sister die.
zoned out for 5 seconds and you were on an oreo rant. 10/10
I agree with the ending.
I'm so glad this man knows the oreo cookie is the best part
you cannot gaslight me away from my love for oreo cream
The love is valid, but the cookie is superior
Really glad Ryetoast decided to give you some love, you deserve it!
Wow, the Oreo part at the end really change FNAF in my eyes. Thank you, Weird Bird Thing.
I only watched you for a few months and I have to you are my favorite FNAF theorist you actually make your theory's makes since and don't make a giant leap based on miner detailed
Darkness without Light is an Abyss,
Light without Darkness is Blinding,
You can not have a coin with one side.
I love mat. But just this alone shows that even he doesn't pay attention to all the little details like he makes people believe he does. (Still love watching him tho. Even tho he does this)
Was the Oreo bit the whole reason you made this video? If yes then I respect you.
Afton is not a mad genius. He's just mad.
I put on fnaf theories in the background when im doing stuff and i was not ready for the oreo cookie rant bro ☠️☠️☠️
The fact that you just went off on a tangent about oreos at the end was hilarious.
Haven't started watching and already excited to see what you have to say. Lets go!!!
Actually the Old Man in PQ2 is OMC, not only is he red like OMC but he tells the princess (Cassidy) to rest after you beat PQ2 which parallels the scene between the two of them in UCN. I'm pretty sure back in the original version of SB he was called OMC in the files but like with Cassidy it was changed.
I like the idea that The Immortal and The Restless cutscenes are about William gaslighting Michael but I do still think it's also showing Willam and Mrs.Aftons relationship. Vlad is definitely supposed to represent William, they both wear purple, they both have sons who look like them, they both have a night shift at a fast food joint, Vlad shares some poses with the man in the FNAF 6 cutscenes. If this was just about Michael being gaslit then why even have the running bit with Vlad not acknowledging his son? I do think your right though that Clara represents Michael (at least as an adult) it would give a whole new meaning to the title The Immortal (Vlad/William) and The Restless (Clara/Michael). Or we could just be overthinking this and Scott just put that in to show Logbook/FNAF 1 Mike is Michael Afton
Also technically Scott Cawthon appears in FNAF 57: Freddy In Space in FNAF World Update 2
As always this was a good and enjoyable watch ^_^ (I especially liked your explanation for Springtrap being an official character in the fazbear brand)
FYI he also doesnt agree with the princess being cassidy either.
I dont either tbh. The princess isnt anybody. No reason to believe theres a soul inside the princess because she never actually does anything by herself, shes always being controlled either gregory or the vr tester. She shows no signs of possesion.
As someone who gets chocolate milkshakes with Oreo added in, Oreo gag was peak and worth the rendering
Dude you got a shout out congrats!
The primary thing this video taught me is that wafers are better then cream, truly valuable.
A lot of this I agree with like yeah the crying child didn't see his sister get killed as you have both the baby dialogue and the shadows line from the page . A minor thing I have is them hearing the tapes as to me it doesn't seem likely it would happen. In all honest I can see phone dude picking up the tapes and just thinking it would be a good thing to play over the speaker.
Honestly William may not even be smart by in universe or irl standards I mean to be fair how often do kids die around robotics/animatronics, William may just have gotten lucky
I used to throw out the Oreo cookies when I eat the cream. Now I just eat the whole Oreo because it's just a waste of oreo
I wish Oreo was never born.
i loved when William Afton hooked up his mad scientist machine to create Oreos with extra thick cookies
hello everybody my name is markiplier
👀
Maybe i just need a refresher, but how do we know william afton is in a high position or a "founder" of fazbear entertainment? We know he's in charge of afton robotics, but he's not the one making the robots, he might be editing the blueprints at most because if he was also creating them, why would they ask him about his design choices? Like you said, he's a businessman, not a mad scientist, we know for certain he worked as a mascot character with spring bonnie and a security gaurd at one point, but i cant remember a point where he was shown to be in a much higher position in the fazbear company, maybe outside of being a security/mascot for the company, his company was just incharge of supplying fazbear entertainment with their animatronics this entire time (building a good relationship with them) and he actually doesnt have a high position in fazbear entertainment?
It's been loosely implied that Afton's had a connection to Faz Inc for a while. Henry says "old friend" refering to William, and he says he made the classic animatronics in the insanity ending. So it implies at the very least William and Henry have connections to the early productions of the robots, which implies some level of authority or involvement.
IN AR it's implied William had connection to early character creation.
William's in fnaf 4 putting someone in a costume, implying at the very least he's been higher ranking in Fazbear entertainment since the beginning.
In the novels it's outright stated they founded Fredbears.
the last 3 minutes just being about oreos is so funny to me
The only person ive ever known to have a good take on Oreos.
Most Wafer Oreos for life‼️‼️
Its the oreo soapbox at the end for me
10/10 would watch the worlds best oreo tangent again
You brought it up, so I'll talk about it here. Help wanted was not a retcon, or a reboot, like you said, all the lore was left out of help wanted's version of fnaf 1 2 and 3. At best it decanonizes the gameplay loop itself, but even then fnaf 1 must have been somewhat similiar since fnaf 4 is based on fnaf 1's layout and gameplay. The whole series is still canon dammit.
Exactly! Like you don't dip the Oreo into milk because you like the cream with the milk, it's the cookie!
Lore or whatever aside i think the "fnaf games exist in the fnaf universe" is mostly a reason to have them be in help wanted but also have new fnaf lore there too (the tapes, glitchtrap, y'know) without it being like "oh it's not canon/questionable because the fnaf games are there!!" And "oh these games are made by some random indie dev but WAIT he was hired by fazbear entertainment to make light of their dark past!! So who knows how much is really real from the gameplay!!!" Makes sense
Nah the cookie is the vehicle to get the cream into my mouth lmao
Blasphemy
Extra thicc oreos! :D
Edit: Aww thanks for the heart ^^ i loved the oreo part it was so random but also true lol
3:52 A casual Ben 10 reference! In the wild! So cool
The wafer is the best part, thank you
2 minutes,pretty cool.
Came for fnaf, stayed for the oreo xD
Can you someday talk about how the ennard vent minigame is the catylist to the split in the ennard tribe? Cuz nobody is talking about it or taking it serial.
7:40
I’m gonna be honest, and I’m gonna get destroyed.
F.N.A.F.4, to me, is a good game, and has a good narrative, but fits in the worst then any other game.
- It confused a lot, if not everybody.
- What’s in the box?
- What does Evan possess, if he possess anything at all.
- Him possessing FredBear makes no sense as there’s already a spirit, as establish by previous mini games.
No one knows what to do with this, so some people theorized he was Shadow FredBear, despite Happiest Day mini game.
But the whole Stitchwraith helped people to theorize that there can be more then 1 spirit.
Honestly, the whole multiple spirit thing doesn’t do anything for the game lore, cause they barely focus on the ghostly FredBear, aftermath of F.N.A.F.4.
So it’s worthless.
Imo Evan is such a pointless addition, doesn’t do anything at all in the series.
Tbh, I wish it was retconned, as much as I like the narrative in F.N.A.F.4, I don’t think it should’ve been part of the timeline.
That’s all I have to say.
i never realized you only have 7000 subscribers; i watch your videos regularly so i just assumed you'd have over 20k. dang..
Dude fr same
broo same
"There's a possibility that overheating might neutralize the effercts permanently"
The games NEVER states that it is a fact that remnant is destroyed in fire/heat, only outlines the possibility, so I genuinely think that fire just does not work and cannot release souls -> springtrap survived the fire in FNaF 3
If William was building something using already collected remnant he would have to smelt the iron from old animatronics to new, aka. the temperatures higher that any fire could be
So, the games tells us directly - nah, bro, no way that works
I agree, the cookie is the best part of the Oreo, and I'm tired of everyone pretending it's not
Especially when in milk.
If you were supposed to eat the cookies and the cream separately, they would've begun selling them separately. Eat them together or don't eat them at all.
Also wouldn't your "bigger cookie" idea basically just be a whoopie pie?
No, it'd have to be a the crisp oreo texture just with less cream or bigger cookies.
I agree that the cookie is the best part of the Oreo, they are what makes Oreo cookies after all, and why anything above double stuffed is just straight up worse than even base Oreo. But at the same time, if you took away the cream, you'd definitely be removing an important part of the Oreo experience.
although I don't have much of a horse in the race regarding the whole "crying child seeing Elizabeth's death" thing I would like to add one detail,
what is the staple to all of the games up to this point? the thing that has been in almost every single game leading up to and including security breach? The cameras!
if the crying child were to see Elizabeth die through the cameras that would be a way to circumvent the baby's child counting software, and who else would have a better possibility to access the cameras then the kid of one of the owners of the restaurant.
Maybe, but why would he have access to the cameras or be there to see it or see a replay of it?