Mobility Scooter and Power Wheelchair Batteries and Chargers | All the questions answered.
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- One of the most asked questions we either in-store or by the phone is battery related so in this video we talk about mobility scooter batteries and chargers and why it can make a difference if you do the right and the wrong things. From Amps, Amp Hours, SLA, GEL, Lithium Ion I hope I cover it all.
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Hello Ian. This is Jon in New York. I just subscribed to your channel after watching this video.
I just bought a wheelchair powered by lithium ion. It is in brand new condition but did not have the charger.
The seller bought me a new charger. But after seeing your video became aware of the hazards of not using the matching lithium charger. Just want to say Thank You. Jon F.
Hi Jon, thanks for watching and subscribing. Glad you checked the charger before using it and got the correct one. Always glad to help and glad the video was of help to you. Enjoy your new ride my friend.
I have a UPG Model 24BC2000T-4, 2 amp 24 volt battery charger. After charging batteries, there is a flashing green LED. The charger's manual is confusing about LED indications. I called Pride, a helpful lady technician told me that flashing green LED indicates full charge and it may go to solid green after more hours. I was also told that this charger can be left connected to battery continuously. Also had conversation with UPG technician, he said that storing batteries in hot car trunk or garage greatly hastens the sulphation process which shortens useful life. If practical, keep battery box in your air conditioned house when not in use.
You are correct with the storage advise, and also the manual on the UPG charges is confusing. What I'm reading and seeing is flashing green is float charge or battery balancing. When we use these chargers for our rentals, we leave them charging until we get a solid green light and then remove the charger from the scooter. The older the batteries we are seeing the longer it takes to get to solid green light. The manual also says you can leave the charger plugged in indefinitely, but I strongly disagree with this statement for a few reasons. power consumption who wants that electric bill, charger overheating. I've measured the volts going into the batteries with a charger plugged in and its constantly charging the batteries which will reduce the life of the batteries, I mean UPG sell batteries of course their going to say keep it on charge. Once its charged remover the charger, let the batteries deep cycle, I mean, that's what they are called, right?
It's scary hot here in SoCal, the front door handle was hot. I got my two Go Go Elite 22ah battery cases out of storage in our motorhome, will keep them charged properly in the house. I'm using a small hand truck to lug them around. Good advice about not trying to resuscitate dead batteries. Too many videos about this.
Oh yeah, i'm about done with these triple digit temperatures.
very informative video, thank you !!! wish that I live close to you to take my scooter for you to get it fix. Learn lots of advices and informations from this video and definitely will take my scooter to a local authorized Golden dealer. Thanks again.
Glad it was of some help to you. Thanks for watching 👍
Fantastic video by the way!! Super informative and appreciated!!
Thanks Dave 👍
Bit of an off the wall one here: we are making a flat driven equipment carrier from a mobility scooter. It will be only used occasionally for a day, and then sit for a while. We are in the UK where it gets colder rather than hotter. Storage is only possible in a cold environment but we plan to make an insulated box, whether for the whole thing or just the batteries we don’t know yet and have a dog ‘comfort pad’ to provide background heat inside. Does this sound feasible?
As to batteries this will have lead acid ones but can we change them for something better. We know the charger will need changing anyway.what about LI - ON ones?
Hi Robert, The answer would all depends on whether you don't mid the extra cost that Lithium batteries demand. Since you are only using the carrier periodically, I would stick to the cheaper SLA. Not sure how much weight you are thinking of carrying on the device? that would be the determining factor for me to what size of motor/transaxle and battery configuration. If it's a light load, then 12ah or 18ah batteries might be ok and I would use a removable battery pack from the scooter. If it's going to be a heaver load over longish distance with inclines, then I would use 35ah batteries and the removable battery packs from a Pride Revo or Revo 2.0. This way it's easier to store and can be charged away from the cart. Larger batteries seem to handle harsher environments better than the smaller 12ah batteries. To get the best life from your batteries, never leave the batteries charging longer than 14 hours and charge them after each use of the cart and at least once every two months or so.
Hope this helps
GREAT, HIGHLY DETAILED, EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE INFO., REGARDING EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW, ABOUT A VARIETY OF MOBILITY SCOOTER BATTERIES! THANK YOU VERY MUCH! GREAT VIDEO!
Thank you, Ryan. Much appreciated..
Hi Ian! I just bought new batteries and the service book says to charge first then ride it around and charge it again for five or six cycles. This is to get the battery temp set. The thing is, they don't tell you how long to ride between cycles. This is just for breaking in new batteries. This is for a Pride Celebrity XL. I bought 2-24v 35Amp gel batteries. I did buy them on eBay from the same guy I bought my last ones from in 2016. No problems with the shipping.
So, what I really need to know is during the break in, how much should I drain the batteries between these charging cycles?
Thanks!!
Hi Nanette, I've seen this before in older owners manuals for scooters. best rule of thumb is to fully charger the batteries then drive the scooter as you would normally would. I would fully charge them then go for a couple of blocks run may be a mile or two then recharge them. I wouldn't do that six times though. I think battery technology has advanced since the wrote that manual and it's a little outdated.
Lead acid just likes being charged up as much as possible. Likes hanging at 100%. Lithium likes hanging out at 40% when not being used and overcharging is deadly for any kind of lithium. Lithium and lead acid are almost dead opposites charging wise. Still, you can use the same charger if it is pretty much mostly just a basic power supply and you are mindful: just uplug the lithium as soon as charged up, leave lithium at 40% when not being used, and keep lead acid charged up as much as possible as much of the time as possible. Two types of lithium: lithium iron phosphate (lifepo4) is safer, longer living, and less flammable than lithium ion which is even more energy dense per weight then lifepo4, so they like to use it in automobiles and ebikes.
😊very good video. Thank you 😊
Hello! Great video! Wonderful information, thank you! I know now what's going on with my batteries. Is it had to open the casing that holds the batteries? The black box? I need to replace my batteries.
Thank you. Some are more difficult than others where you might need aa quite long screwdriver to get to the screw such as the Pride Mobility Go-Go 18ah larger battery pack featured on the Elite Traveller, Traveller Plus and Sport Models. Also, if you have slide on tab type batteries (usually on smaller battery packs) rather than nut and bolt type connection, be careful removing the slide on confections from the battery tabs you need to press down firmly and then pull to remove them from the battery connections.
@@lasvegasscooterslifts thank you kindly! You're a life saver!!
Glad I can help.
AGM = Absorbed Glass Mat (not acid). Small correction. 🙂
Excellent presentation!!!
Thank you kindly!
I have a 2amp 24V Lead acid charger from Universal Power Group (UPG) for my pride Mobility Scooter. As 18Ah SLA batteries seems to become more difficult to obtain in our country, my question is whether a same capacity Gel battery may be charged with the UPG charger? Thanks for the extremely informative videos!!
No, It states on the box and in the instructions these charges are for AGM seal lead acid batteries only and if used on any other style of battery may cause damage or risk of injury. There are plenty of battery suppliers online that have stock of these SLA 18ah batteries, try
batterysharks.com/12-volt-18-amp-sealed-lead-acid-battery.html
Just get some lifepo4 next time or even lithium ion. Unplug lithium as soon as it is charged up, as overcharging kills lithium. (Good idea with your cell phone and other devices, too!) And leave lithium at 40% when not using. While you should just keep any kind of lead acid plugged in as much as possible. Lead acid doesn't like falling below 50% charge: it is not a good chemistry for a deep cycle battery.
Thank you Ian for the very informative video.
I would like to increase the range of my pride go-go scooter, how could I add batteries with larger amp hours to run with the batteries that are there or replace the batteries that are there.
Thank you
You are going to be restricted by the size of the battery box as to what AH increase you can get. If you have the 12ah smaller battery pack you could only increase the ah battery size for that pack to 15ah. If you have the 18ah extended range pack then you can increase them to 22ah.
Lots of useful info here, thanks for the post.
Glad it was helpful!
Great, informative video!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Thank you great info.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this video. Can you recommend a lithium battery charger for my Jazzy Select power chair?
You're welcome. Sorry unfortunately, I cannot. I'm not sure what make or model of batteries you have to advise what the manufacture of the batteries requires regarding which charger you would need; Due to legal reasons we also do not recommend to our customers to modify any powerchair or scooter.
Hi Ian thanks for the video but I require a bit of advice if you could be so kind, my partner has a Sterling Sapphire 2 scooter (3 yr old) which she goes everywhere on daily but appears to be chewing through lead batteries (less than a year 2 x 12v 34ah). She is of the larger size and the area we live in is hilly, I also replaced the speedpot a few months ago cause it was playing up so no issues there now. The question is that I am now considering replacing the lead batteries with lithium but need to know if these are drop in replacements or are modifications required to be made to the scooter? I am aware that I will need a lithium charger and the same 12v voltage on each battery. Many thanks.
Hey Jay, good question. With the Sterling Sapphire scooter it looks like the battery packs are designed to only take the dimensions of the typical 12v 35ah size battery. Unless you can find a Lithium Ion that has a slightly higher AH value (40ah) that can still fit the battery cases you might be stuck with the size you already have. You are correct that you'll need a Lithium-Ion charger rated output 12v 3A to 4A nothing larger.
Looking at the specifications on the Sterling Sapphire its maximum incline rating is only 10 degrees which average for most scooters and is not a lot in terms of height of incline 2 - 3" max anything grater over long extended periods will not be good for the scooter or batteries. Looks like they have a smaller size motor and trans too.
I'm not too familiar with these scooters and the longevity of the drivetrain but if you are noticing the distance reducing from when the scooter was new it may be a motor transaxle causing a problem. Most of the time batteries could be the source of the problem, my first thing would be to ask you how you charge the scooter and where you store it. I would load test the batteries as it could be one battery failing. If they both load test with the same values, then it could some other problem. I'm not sure whether the added expense of going to Lithium would be a choice I would make without having the scooter checked out. I would look to trade in for a bigger scooter like Pride Colt Pursuit or similar.
There are 18ah, 20ah and 22ah rated SLA batteries, all having the same case dimensions, and weights, and similar prices, that will fit my Pride Elite Traveler Plus mobility scooter battery box. Question: Will an average-quality 22ah rated battery give much better performance than an 18ah rated one?
Hi Gary, the only experience we've seen with upgraded batteries from18ah to 22ah is one of our rental scooters that jenny used at one of the casinos (The venetian) We took the scooter for the weekend and never had to charge it for the two days we were there and we a lot of miles which included going to the fashion show mall which is across from the Wynn. If you have to replace batteries, if it was my scooter I would put 22ah in my scooter to get as much range as possible.
So you can up grade the battery from 12v12ah to 12v 18 ah. In doing so you can get more diatance??
Yes as long as you have a battery pack that can accommodate the larger size of the 18ah battery. You can even opt for 22ah batteries in an 18 AH battery pack. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for your tips, have you seen case where jazzy select 6 with new battery , where original charger showing full charge green light, however joystick battery immediately indicator have low battery (only first 2 lights red, and orange light, all green off) , when measuring battery they measurement both 25v (12.8v each). hopefully you have answer please . thank you
Hi Fred, couple of questions for you my friend. Is the original charger built into the powerchair or is an offboard charger that plugs into the joystick or charge port located somewhere on the chair?
One thing you can check if you are able to is put a multi meter on one of the batteries to measure the voltage. Next plug in the charger to see if the voltage increases. If the voltage doesn't change to at least 13v or more. You might have a charger problem. Saying that, I have seen in the past that some powerchairs that uses the charger to route through the controller. Some cases this has resulted in blowing the circuit board trace in the controller that sends the charge to the batteries. If that has happened, the charger will not go into a charging state.
Even though your batteries are new there still could be a chance of a bad battery. When plugging in the charger, if the charger charging light goes red charging to green fully charged quite quickly, I would get your batteries load tested to rule them out.
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The charger off board charger that plugs into the joystick. Battery measure 25.6v stand alone, measure 24.3 under battery load test, (which measured while driving wheelchair and Voltmeter attached to joystick controller port). It is tricky as the load test for 1/2 mile with middle speed, load-reading start 25.4v down to 24.3v.
The battery is acid sealed 8-month-old but used inside house only for short distance. The battery read 25v after load test which confused me to think the battery is ok and controller joystick reader is the problem. I replaced joystick controller as previous old one was giving error 7 times flashing code, which indicate joystick controller problem according jazzy select 6 manual.
Do you think second (used) joystick controller also faulty in reading battery charge ?as it lights first 2 LED lights red and orange (out of the five LED) while in same time, battery voltmeter measured battery full 25v, and 24.3 under load test and same time the wheelchair separate corded charger indicate full charged battery greenlights?
And if that the case, and since the controller giving false low charge indicator, if user forget and leave charger hooked up extra 12 hours or more (while battery already fully charged as per charger green indicator light) does the overcharge would damage battery? Should I only take charger light as indicator as whether the battery fully charged or not AND disregard the controller light ?
Thank you again for that amazing informative channel
Hi Fred, I wouldn't rule out a faulty joystick power indicator gauge, but I would defiantly get the batteries properly load tested to rule those out. Since they are eight months old, and one battery could be showing signs of failure.
Do all the joystick power lights illuminate when the charger is plugged in, and the joystick is turned on (scrolling all lights?) if not blown LED's.
The replacement joystick, was it new or used? and from a like for like Jazzy select 6 powerchair?
Even though the charger is saying fully charged after 8 to 10 hours of charging one battery can still be bad and giving you low battery reading on the joystick gauge. Constant over charging of batteries even when the charger goes to green fully charged will damage the batteries (over 14 hours)
Hayup Ian. Cory from Bristol, UK here. Could you advise me on my upgrade conundrum please? I've just bought a 2nd hand Travelux CT650 (Supernova) that can't cope very well with hills! The scooter is 9yrs old (& presumably the batteries have never been changed - cobwebs underneath the battery cover, honestly). It has 2 x 12v 50ah Lead Acid Batteries. Is it possible to upgrade these batteries to a higher amp, & would I need to upgrade the charger to accommodate this, output of charger 24VDC75A? Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers
Hi Cory, I don't know these scooters personally but upgrading batteries will be dependent on the amount of space you have available in the battery compartment. 55ah batteries should run on a 5amp 24-volt charger and if you could upgrade the batteries to 75ah (space depending) normally they come with an 8amp 24-volt charger. The 5-amp charger will charge the batterie ok but might take a little more time to charge, which is better than running to high of an amp charger on small batteries e.g. 12ah on a 5amp. Lithium would also be an option but price, replacement lithium charger and again space might be a factor.
As for the batteries in the scooter at present, if you have no idea when they were last changed if at all, take them to a battery store see if they can load test them for you that will give you an idea if it's just the batteries that are week or if there is a problem with the scooter to why it's not performing as expected.
Thank you, Ian, you're a star. I really appreciate your advice & have booked it in for a service & battery check 😊
I learned a lot sir thx
Thanks for watching.
Hello!. I have several chargers "Action Speaks louders than words" and "Action simply smart" 24V 8A -both from Invacare for power chair batteries and they don't work; The transformer works fine but does not charge. Do you have the electronic circuit of the chargers? I live in Argentina and there is no official Invacare service to repair them. Thanks in advance!.
Hey Jaun, no I don't do any electrical repairs on circuit boards or have any parts for them. Have you checked the voltage on the batteries and any fuses to the charge port just in case that's why it's not charging? Your best option is to find a compatible charger for your unit via online marketplace such as eBay. Some sellers offer worldwide shipping so I would go that route. I did check out briefly Action's website and one of their chairs takes a 24V 20Amp charger, but it all depends on what size batteries you are trying to charge. Thanks Ian
I began charging the battery for my new scooter. and after a couple of hours found that the charger was extremely hot! Is this normal?
Hi Cindy, yes this is quite normal for the chargers to get hot. Make sure you only plug your charger into a wall outlet never into an extension cord or multi plug extension.
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Very good education Ian,I have the heartway aviator only 2 years old but shortly I am having lithium batteries fitted so I would need a lithium charger is that correct Ian,cheers buddy have a great day,👍👍
Hey John, you are correct. As long as the voltage is the same as the batteries you have in your Hartway (e.g. 24v) at present and don't go to large on the AH value you should be good.
thanks Ian,👍
Hello from Canada, I think I hurt my quadriporteur gk10 batteries, What would you recommend for more power and more distance, gel or lithium batteries?? Thank you
I would recommend contacting the manufacture with regards to the maximum size battery for your scooter as dimensionally you might not be able to increase the size of the battery. Both GEL and Lithium are going to cost you a lot more money plus with lithium you would need to buy a Lithium charger and make sure you existing charger is capable of charging GEL type batteries. Bigger AH rating batteries won't increase the speed of the scooter only the distance.
Hi: I checked my chargers for the inhibitor not being wired in and I have one that is like that. Very disappointed in the QAQC of the manufacturer. It’s a no name Chinese one. I took it to my Laboratory to see if a simple solution would fix it. If not I will dispose of it . Thank you…..
The way to enable the inhibit on the charger that isn't enabled is to wire the middle pin of the XLR to the negative pin.
How many hours are you supposed to charge the battery when you first get it and how many hrs.after you use it and want to be ready for the next day?
The best rule of thumb is to go by the charger indicator light on the charger itself. Once it's says fully charged run the scooter as far as you can to discharge the batteries into the yellow power indicator on the scooter and place the scooter on a charge again until the charger indicator light turns to the fully charged mode (usually a green light) try and do this a few times.
Few tips:
Do not interrupt the charge cycle by unplugging the charger from the scooter and re-plugging it back in again.
Never use an extension cord with the charger
Keep the batteries in a cool place.
Never leave the charger plugged in loner than 14 hours or if the charger shows fully charged as this can damage the batteries.
If you have a portable scooter with a removable battery pack and you don't use the scooter that often, always remove the battery pack from the scooter to help conserve the batteries.
Batteries typically discharge at the rate of 5% per day (approximately 20 days stand time)
I have a Drive Scout and when I plug it in to charge it blows the 5 amp fuse. Any idea what would cause that?
Two things could be a damaged charger or wiring or a charger that is too big for the fuse.
Does anyone know how to charge 2 12V deep cycle led acid batteries *separately from the power scooter?
Depends on the size of battery AH you have but you could use a low amp car charger
My battery (travel pro es) goes 15 minutes then moving power indicator. Replacement battery and charger on the eay
Am i wrong trying to return home when the charging indicator starts moving on yhe gage.
The only thing I can recommend is get your batteries checked out to make sure they are both health.
Hi lan I have a pride medical scooter victory 10 I just brought new batteries
U 1 31-35 AH 12 V AGM mobile scooter batteries with post terminal
It has been installed in my scooter today new should I charge it up first fully far 14 hours?
Are these the correct batteries
I drove the scooter approximately a quarter of a mile and I saw the needle start to decline. Should I have charged it first?
Yes, it's always better to charge new batteries fully when you buy them, usually until the charger light goes to green/off (depending on your charger). Typically, depending on the supplier and the age of the batteries they should be about 3/4 to 1/2 charged but depends on the age of the batteries. If the supplier has old stock this could cause the battery indicator needle to decline due to them not being charged or detereation. Try fully charging the batteries and take the scooter for a long run but not too far from home in case it does fail on you. The Victory 9 and 1 0 can take either U1 35ah or 40ah (recommended).
I have a Challenger X scooter. It uses 4 12V 12Ah SLA batteries. Could I upgrade it to lithium ion battery by using 4 12V 18Ah batteries with a lithium charger?
The batteries sizes are pretty similar although the lithium ones are a little bit smaller.
HI, as a dealer I cannot personally recommend this for legal and manufactures warranty reason. I see many people have do this before and it might be worth your while to ask someone who has done something similar. May be worth asking what sort of results they are getting and does it justify the expense.
Hi i just bought a rascal 24v 12 amp battery box with brand new batteries my problem is it wont charge when i plug the xlr cable in.
Hi Holly, several things you could check as to why the charger won't charge the batteries are:
1.The charger is faulty or has a broken wire either at the XLR plug (quite common) or in the wiring itself.
2 The batteries are below the minimum allowed voltage to allow the charger to charge (check the voltage of each battery should be at least 11 - 12v no lower.
3. A blown fuse/s in battery box.
4 Check the battery connections are seated correctly and wired to the correct terminals (usually a diagram inside the battery box)
5 The batteries are already fully charged.
If the charger comes on as if it looks like its charging and goes off quickly it can be either bad batteries or batteries already at full capacity.
HI I relplaced the charging port and then it was blowing the circuit breaker. Under further investigation i gound it had come wired in parallel not series from the manufacturer lol. So switch wires and oh look at that it charges thank you for your help. @lasvegasscooterslifts
How do you know if the battery is done charging
With a good charger the charging indicator light should tell you when the charging cycle is complete. A good rule of thumb for SLA and GEL batteries is no more than 14 hours of uninterrupted charging.
Nice one Ian.
Thanks Clive, do you think I covered it all?
@@lasvegasscooterslifts Pretty much, I think the old rule of thumb was the charger should be about 8-10% amps charging the batteries i.e. an 8amp charger can be used on 2x40 Ah batteries.
Hey Clive, you can use an 8amp charger but I usual go with what the manufactures supply with that type of battery (40ah) which usually is 5amp. Pride LX Sport and ZT 10. To be honest I haven't done a long-term test on 40ah batteries using an 8amp charger to see if there are any effects on the life of the batteries.
@@lasvegasscooterslifts I agree Ian, to follow the manufactures advice. No I haven't done a test either, but I'm sure I learnt this years ago?
Sorry Ian I got that wrong, the batteries are in series not parallel. Don't know what I was thinking.
HI IAN... i have a uk scooter, JH500 4MPH, 8MPH, &15MPH,... THIS CURRENTLY HAS 5.. 12V 22AH Lead Acid battery's, it has a 600w/800w motor...please would you be able to advise me on which Lithium batteries to buy ? am i rite in thinking that i could purchase 2x 50 AH or 1 100 AH, This is doing my head in trying to work out what i need...help...lol...cheers Gordon.
Hi Gordon thanks for reaching out. Ok, the JH500 runs on a 60-volt system using 5 x 12v batteries wired in series. (like stacking one AA battery on top of each other + to -) so using 2 12-volt 50AH lithium wouldn't run the scooter.
My best advice is, if you want to go for lithium ion as a replacement and cost is not a problem, then I would go for direct replacement 5 x 12v 22ah Lithium Ion (matching size dimensions), but you would need to find a 60v Lithium-ion charger with matching output Amp rating to charge the batteries. Good luck my friend.
where can I go to have my EW-10 converted to lithium batteries ? I live in Riverside Calif. Thanks
You will have to call around locally to find out what dealer can service E-wheels.
Need a little information I have a Go Go Elite Traveler and no matter how low my battery gets could be totally stoned dead when I charge it the charger only charges for 1 hour and red light goes off and of course the batteries now we seem to have about 1 hour charge time or one good Hill
Hi Mitch and welcome to the channel. A few questions for you
How old are the batteries? or when did you last change them?
How old is the scooter?
Your charger light going off really quickly is a good indication your batteries are either bad, old or faulty.
@@lasvegasscooterslifts the batteries are 10 months old I tried to charge them yesterday as for the age of the scooter it has a little age on it it's almost 10 years old but it had been in a climate controlled storage unit
@@lasvegasscooterslifts 6 years
Sounds like batteries to me. Take the batteries to your local dealer or battery outlet and get them to perform a load test. That way you know for sure if its batteries or not.
I think it's the batteries as well they are awful small batteries for my 240 lb body plus the scooter think I'll just invest in some bigger batteries for it any battery inside you can recommend thank you for all your help it may have some age on it but it still looks and drives brand-spanking-new when I got it still had the clear plastic wrapped around the seat
I have a jassy elite wheelchair and it has MK batteries 42AH
Can I install a 35AH batteries in?
Hi Walter, depends on which version of the Jazzy Elite you have? if you have an Elite HD they take 22NF (55 Ah) all the other versions will take U1 35Ah. If you have an owner's manual look in the specifications section it should tell you for sure there.
I have a question about the charge inhibitor function on my pride celebrity 3 wheel scooter, I think it was made around 2001 or so. The fellow I bought it from put a rocker switch in to replace the key switch. There are only 2 wires connected to the rocker switch he installed and when I connect the 120 volt cord for the onboard charger, I can still operate the scooter.
There are 4 additional pigtails that aren't connected to anything near where the rocker switch is installed just above the tiller adjustment lever inside the rear tiller cover. 2 of those unconnected pigtails are 2 wires into one female spade connector and have 25 volts on them, the other 2 are single wire pigtails that show no voltage. Could one or more of those pigtails be for the inhibit function? If so, which ones and if not connected, will the charger charge with them disconnected?
Thanks in advance for any insight you might offer.
Hi Dave thanks for the comment/question. Normally any extra wires in the top console are for accessories such as turn signals, power elevating seat option or lights and are normally nothing to do with the charging system. It is quite common for people to replace key switches for rocker switches as long as you keep the scooter in eye shot if you leave it anywhere.
With regards to the scooter still operating while being charged is, if someone has replaced the key switch then they might have replaced the charger with an aftermarket charger at some point and not connected the inhibit wire at the charger to the charger harness and Its the controller that detects if the charger is active. Another thing it could be is a bad charger wiring harness to the controller.
Hope this helps.
@@lasvegasscooterslifts yes sir, it helps. I've read as much online info as I could find and saw that there were a few other power functions such as elevating seat so I figured those pigtails could be for that stuff. The scooter performs flawlessly with new batteries installed and for all I know it could've fully charged overnight. I just started checking it out yesterday and left it plugged in overnight. I appreciate your videos and your replies. It does have the original onboard charger which shows no output when metering at the output connector while unplugged. I just didn't know if the charge inhibit wire also acted as a remote to enable the charger to operate.
If it didn't charge overnight, I guess my next step will be figuring out how to wire in an offboard charger, which I have a few of laying around from other power chairs. Thanks again!!
You're welcome, Dave. If there are no indicator lights on the charger showing power and charging (which is strange) you can always put a multimeter on one of the batteries to read the voltage, then plug in the charger and see if the voltage increases at the battery. If it does (13v+) then your charger is working. If it stays the same the charger is no good or the wiring is faulty. Another way to check the wiring to the battery (if your charger harness has it) is to unplug it from the charger (should be thee pin plug) and plug a multimeter into the scooter harness side not the charger side and see if you get a 24 - 26v reading from the batteries there. If you get no volt reading, then the controller or wiring might be at fault.
He was talking about the 3 pins on the charger. Some companies don't connect the 3rd pin on the charging plug that you plug into your scooter. The charger has the inhibitor. My Pride Celebrity XL has extra wires inside the tiller too. I think for extras.
Lol now I see you have been answered by Ian. I was just trying to help.
I need two 24V6.6AH batteries for my electric chair, can you help?
Hey Lorraine, if they are 24V battery pack/s then they are more than likely Lithium-Ion batteries. If the electric chair is a light weight folding chair, then that will be the case. I would need to know the make and model of power wheelchair to know for certain. If we are not providers of that manufacture then we wouldn't be able to get them.
Hi
I have mobility scooter with gel battery can i change it with lithium battery?
Thx
As long as it fits the application and you match the same voltage and amp hour rating, I've heard of people doing so. Also, you'll need to get a Lithium charger to charge said batteries.
How do I charge the scooter
Hi Karen, all depends on the scooter or powerchair you have. Some older units have on-board chargers with just a power cord that you would plug into a mains outlet, but most modern units have a three pin (XLR) charge port located either on the battery pack or the scooter itself where you would plug in your off-board charger.
Do I turn off the breaker when charging
Sorry, I don't understand the question?
Tips for good GEL battery life, use your chair but charge your battery every night. If you're a heavy user try and top up the batteries during the day for an hour or so.
GEL and AGM batteries like to be fully charged all the time. If you use your chair at all you should charge it back up when you can. It can take more than eight hours to charge your chair. When the green light on your charger comes on your charger is still charging. Even if you don't use your chair you should still charge it every week. If you are not going to use your chair for a few weeks its better to disconnect the batteries but still charge them every two months. You can charge 50AH batteries at 8 Amps no problem. Your battery manufacturer should have a charge specifications sheet. Charge voltage for GEL 14.1V per battery and 14.6V for AGM. Temperature will effect charge voltage. Unfortunately the charger that come with your wheelchair is not very good.
Lithium batteries do not like to be fully charged or discharged. They like to be kept about 70% charged but read your owners manual. The charger for your Lithium battery pack is just a power supply, the charger or Battery Management System will be built into the battery pack. Don't leave Lithium batteries charging over night or unattended.
Hi Bob, thanks for your input and also some good tips there, but a couple of revisions that need to be added.
Topping up batteries technically would be using up a charge cycle on the battery is not recommended and you would also be interrupting the charge cycle of the charger. GEL and AGM are "Deep cycle batteries" and like to be deeply discharged then fully charged for optimum life. But sometimes the need to top up is inevitable.
"When the green light on your charger comes on your charger is still charging"
Correct and very good point, like I said remove the charger as soon as you see the green "fully charged" light indicated on your charger otherwise it can damage the batteries if charged over 14 hours.
Disconnecting your batteries from a wheelchair or removing the pack from a scooter is also a great point if you are not going to use the device and also if you're physically able.
Yes, you can charge 50ah batteries on an 8A charger, but most manufactures tend to supply a 5A charger for this size of batteries, we were talking about 40ah batteries using an 8A charger not 50ah and if there would be any effect long term.
Sorry I Do not know what brand of wheelchair you're specifying here regarding supplied chargers not being good?
Good points on Lithium charging too 👍 do not use a lithium charge on GEL or SLA batteries and vice versa. Also defiantly do not leave you lithium charger charging for long periods of time. Most Lithium batteries charge really quickly and unlike SLA and GEL batteries you can top up your lithium batteries for an hour or so.
Thanks again for your'e input. Ian
I have been charging for 10hrs but the it's still at 1 bar the red bar.
Have you had your batteries load tested?
Well the technician tried with an ammetre and it sparked
Sound like something might be wired up wrong with the batteries. I'm not sure on the make and model of the scooter or any back story leading up to your problem.
I've been having an odd problem... i have a pride Ventura DLX with 35 amp batteries.. Sometimes the Scooter will just suddenly drop down in power and barely move but yet the LEDs say the batteries are fully charged ..
Yet other times it just shows the decrease in power like it's supposed to , as the batteries drain ... any ideas ?
Try checking your battery connection make sure they are clean and tightened up. Not sure on how old your batteries are but I would recommend getting them load tested. If that all checks out to be ok, then it could be either a throttle/speed pot or controller issue.
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I checked the battery post connection.. and sprayed the main molex plug with Deoxit 5 , although the connectors looked fine ..
I replaced the batteries about 5 months ago.... but they unfortunately were bought online.. i took them down to O'Reilly's and had them load test them and they checked out fine though...
My next question is : is it possible that the voltage going to the regenerative brake could be going low all of a sudden ? Like from some broken wire strands or dirty plug , therefore not letting the brake disengage all the way?
The reason I ask this is because when this happens I am going through the bumpy yard ... and it happens all at once ... then i get it to the charger and plug it in for a bit and it seems to be ok ..
I got this scooter from a friend for free that his late wife and she had and only used it once... It had 3 year old batteries that were great...
Anyway.. i sure appreciate your input ... I have a bone disease and thos scooter changed my life . I would sure like to keep it going...
So all input you give is highly appreciated. I'm experienced in electronics and work on radios and amplifiers, computers, ect . So I'm not brand new to thiis ... But I don't have experience with these systems and really appreciate your channel
Thanks for your kind words. It sounds like it could be a number of thing so it's difficult to diagnose without see the scooter. Do a visual inspection on all the connection and wiring and also if you can at the controller.
If it's the brake or wiring the one way to test that is try a lot of start, stop start stop and try and put your hand on the brake lever too make sure you can feel the brake disengaging (this could be an intermittent problem). If you can barely feel it or it doesn't have an audible click sound it could be the brake or wiring to the brake. I'm not sure what part of the states you are in but if the scooter is left outside for a long time or not used for a long-time brake could fail or not work correctly if the scooter has been left out in damp conditions.
I would use a multimeter plugged into the charger port to monitor the voltage while driving to independently see what the power is doing instead of relying on the LED power indicator to see when the power goes down and it corresponds to the battery voltage. This method could rule out a controller or wiring issue.
@@lasvegasscooterslifts Here is an update .. yesterday i was on tje scooter and it just started clicking and studdering and i definitely could hear the brake clicking .. It finally lost connection all together and locked up in the yard .... Im pretty sure now that the wire to the brake and not that i think back i remember a stick getting caught under th scooter , so it probably stretched the wires to the brake ... I moved it to my shop and hopefully can find the broken wire(s)
Really appreciate you responding to me.. Thanks
You're welcome buddy. also check the wiring that plugs into the controller, I've seen plugs get dislodged or not quite pugged in all the way at the controller end give problems with the brakes, motors etc.
Good luck my friend hope you find the problem. 👍
San Antonio Texas north east loop 410 ...I look for high speed & battery 5hour hate for 1 hour gio mobile scooter car I need more high speed 58 like 75 on speed I not interested 36 low speed
Increasing the battery won't increase the speed! And the Gio electric car is not my area of expertise. May be talk to place you bought it from for any advice regarding this unit.
can scooter batteries go in an older Jassy electric wheelchair please?
Yes as long as you mean mobility scooter batteries (SLA) and not moped batteries. As long as they are 12V and the same AH rating as required in the Jazzy power chair (usualy 35AH) Some power chairs do take larger batteries such as 55AH and 75AH.
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ok thank you so much😊
Seriously this guy doesn't know anything about batteries.
I'm not going to go through all of falsities in this video, there are just too many.
Do your own research and see for yourself.
Please educate me.
im thinking about modifying my drive gogo by adding 2deep cycle boat batteries to get longer drive time . what are your thoughts on this?
nevermind you already answer my question, looks like the best upgrade is the lithium 12 v 18 amphour batteries.
Hi RNGW, personally I'm see bad result from people modify their scooters trying to get better range etc. We had a customer who bought a ZT8 and replaced the SLA batteries with lithium batteries and it had melted the battery connection on the floorboard. TBH I've never increased the batteries AH of a scooters battery much more than about 20ah larger than what was originally put in the scooter 35ah to 55ah (Maxima). If you want to add a larger AH battery, make sure the fit and are safe and I'm not if sure if adding to larger of an Amp hour battery might exceed the Amp rating of the controller.