Why Did He Buck? | Restarting Dutton Pt. 2
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- Опубликовано: 7 дек 2023
- This part 2 of me working with Dutton in Texas.
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I love how you assess each horse to find holes and sometimes the same with riders. I think the owner thought it would be easy and got a shock. He was lucky really.
I believe it's near impossible to teach other individual riders how to train their animals if they are naturally insensitive toward them
it really seems that Ryan rose has a natural spiritual connection of soul feeling with the animals in order to train them well; not everyone has that
I wonder about the "bucking"... to a green rider a crow hop or two is generally percieved as bucking. A green rider with no seat or feet and balance all over... only has to have a horse sidestep quick to stick their head in the sand...
Good point!
Pretty sure that's part of Ryan's checklist before he will work with a horse.
It's a tough ask to be that trainer getting on a horse who in its last ride bucked someone off, and was rewarded (in his mind) for it. Had a nice long break from riding, and is probably now convinced that bucking was the right thing to do. Gotta have nerves of steel :)
I have a horse almost exactly like this with similar issues. Body work has helped as well as changing the angles of the hind feet. But we are slowly working thru it. So this video helps a lot for me.
I agree, I feel so bad for the owner and I just think inexperienced riders don’t realize the dangers horses can be, I am 50 and started riding when I was 6 with ponies who broke my arm and I learned hard lessons as we all do. Now I work with OTTB which take quite a bit of retraining but even as a seasoned rider you have to be as safe as you can and the horse has to see you as the leader as Ryan always states.
It must make it more difficult to do an assessment when the horse is so foot sore. If his feet are hurting as you said from a trim, it certainly can affect how he feels/reacts with increased tension and bracing. I would love to see how he behaves when not sore. I.e. there could be a lot more reactivity as the horse is physically able/not distracted by pain, if there is a fear cause to behavior. Nice job with him.
Exactly what I thought as soon as he said he was sore from a farrier. Been there done that. I'd never be riding my horse...and that usually takes a few weeks to grew out. If that happened, they need to find another farrier. I know I had to.
Ryan decompresses here too 😛
Great video!
Thanks Ryan😊
I always love it when I see one of your new videos pop up.
Thanks Ryan! I like what you said about teaching a horse to recover, and when you dont have a lot of time focus on instilling confidence 👍
Im not saying anything bad about "Dutton's owner" but I know I personally would never just hop on a green horse, especially being a "green" rider! He should have taken the horse to a trainer (you) before he ever stepped on! When are people ever going to learn....Horses can be very dangerous!! I've been riding for over 50+ years, and I would NEVER step in the saddle of a "new" green horse without doing months of ground work first and or use a trainer! Im sorry the gentleman was injured, but you gotta use common sense! Love your videos Ryan. Blessings to you and yours always 🙌 Jennifer
I think it's a case of him just not knowing what he doesn't know. Ignorance isn't always bliss.
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Well stated Melanie! I just wish folks would use their heads more often. On a very rare occasion that might work, but a novice rider + a green broke horse usually = a disaster!! Case in point.... Hope Ryan can help, but I think it's going to take longer than a week, and I think I remember Ryan saying that's how much time he had to work with this horse. If it were me, I think I would suggest the guy buy a different, more broke horse. Surely wouldn't want this man to get hurt again. Guess we'll see what happens. Nice chatting with you Melanie, take care ☺️ Jennifer
You got that right....MONTHS of ground work. My gosh, he's only a 4yo.
@audreygregis8721 one of my horses didn't get broke to saddle till she was 6/7. That's a little late for most but she was very immature both mentally and physically. Ground work is soo important.
@@melanies.6030agreed. That's how a lot of new green riders get hurt. How hard could it be, right?
Nice how he behaves with you but I still don't see how this horse could ever suit a novice rider who will never ever pick up the signs like you do and most likely will create/overlook tension (not to mention his own tension) and might end up on the ground again.
Something wrong with back legs! Come on!
That rubbernecking is why I won't teach my horse to put his nose to my leg with rein pressure. I ask them to give before I walk off, but not to the point of those huge bends. I wonder if the previous trainer taught that?
I saw part one, and even then, bad vibes hit. Not to belittle anyone, the owner needs to be directed to a an older, experienced horse. Im sure Ryan could help
To have an inexperienced rider and horse combined will give this owner more than a broken back. This is not a good mix. This horse is also sensitive, and needs someone with a great deal of experience. You can't force a shoe to fit.
Great commentary!
Looks good
A horse that knows nothing bought by an owner who knows knothing .
What could possibly go wrong? Oh.... A broken back!😮
If this was my horse id be getting his hind end checked out. He is so stiff and uncomfortable on his hind legs its terrible. Would explain the bucking.
Whats up with this horse's rear end/legs, he is very stiff.
Something odd about that horse's stride. Hard to see because of the light and shade contrast.
There are many who believe that this horse is in pain. Did this horse have a veterinary check @ryan rose?
Personally, I'd have a equine chiropractor look at him. Although it can be because of his hooves hurting...and in that case they need to find another farrier. No good farrier is going to trim a horse too short that it makes them sore. Been there done that.
His hind end looks a little off, is his hips achy, stiff or pain?
Please tell me the horse was checked by a vet…. With x -rays ! There’s so much kissing spine out there! Poor horses are subjected ignorant people who don’t know what they’re doing, but think they’re trainers.
Why is he holding so much tension in his legs? They seem very stiff. A related question: has he been vet checked for pain issues?
I agree he looks very stiff behind
Has the possibility of pain been ruled out..he looks to me that he’s trying to tell you something. Sore spine!!
I totally agree!
I'm the second agree!!! First thing I thought, just for the fact he bucked his owner off. That's a huge red flag, whether the owner is a new rider or not. Something is NOT right with how this horse moves, and I think it's more than his hooves weren't trimmed right.
This situation make me think of my own horse (which thankfully went well) and an old barn friend that got burned 🔥
Sometimes the rider is not properly advised of what a green horse means as far as training/ comfort with the human for the horse. And when you are green this understanding is crutial. I do place a lot of blame on the seller in this situation because i have met so many that down play bad behaviour and misslead the green buyer.
I had been cruzing the horse ads for years before i actually went to look for real. I was initially interested in an appy said to be "bomb proof" BS. There was nothing safe about that horse. He would try to bite and kick - history of bucking mentioned only when i said i was not getting on until i saw how he was with the owner.... so yah passed on that.
Next was a "green" black quarterhorse and a "schooled mare". Well the gelding was a bronc - so no. The mare was by the time i came on hold for someone else.
Ended up trying a "green" horse that was not on my agenda. He had awful breaks but did not bolt, weak steering but would load/unloard lead tack up and walk by traffic well. He was for me a balance of having some foundation and needing to finnish training. One i thought i could take on. I did. Yah we could be better if i had known more but i learned a TON. And he was good enough for me to put nervous family on and resopnd to me guiding them on the ground. Good enough to give some kids a taste of the saddle. Good enough to try a lot of things with - jumping, pole bending, western dressage. We are one of the few sucess stories i suppose. However as was suggested by another in the comments i did spend MONTHS on the ground before i got on him even tough i knew i could ride him. Actually i did what Ryan talked about in this vedio during our transition to under saddle i would work him on the ground and release to having me on his back. I also was always looking for a guide. We've had a few mentors and they were appreciated
My old barn friend was first sold an anxiuos green horse that had several behavious that needed work and told the mare was "a bit green but quiet and good to ride" BS. The mare was not ok with any part of the tack, head shy, would stand basically on top of you and was reactive to pretty much any motion or sound around her. She needed a confident leader and to be shown how to do pretty much all the basics.
Next horse was one that also had anxious behaviour and was powerful - very fit. He had a fair bit of trainging but would run though pressure - some bad habbits. He should only have been paired with an experienced rider. This owner while more honest about him advised he was "good when he was in tune with you" definitely should not have sold him to a older person wanting a quiet trail horse but that description said all that needed to be said in my opinion to tell my friend this was a poor match for her.
She did eventually find a good fit for her - a quiet well trained gelding. It was wonderful to see them together ❤️ they were a good match and the horse was exceptional on the ground and under saddle. The bennifits of going with a seasoned horse person that knows you and your needs /wants to help find a good match.
It is amazing to me when your horse shopping to buy a horse how many people say how wonderful their horse is like there is absolutely No bad habits which is bologney….every horse comes with a different set of issues and habits bad habits depending on previous owner training etc… as a current horse owner especially an untrained green horse with barely a few rides needs someone who knows how to train a horse unless you’re willing to spend the money to send off to professional training. Every horse has their own personality as humans do… horses are prey animals and we have to understand that as humans.
Poor guy's feet really do seem to be bothering him. Turning and yielding when your feet hurt isn't easy. I bet he'd be even better if he weren't footsore. I'd also worry that working him with sore feet could cause him to hold himself unnaturally in other areas in an attempt to alleviate the pain in his feet and cause soreness elsewhere.
I will do exactly what you said. I had a farrier really screw up my mare's hooves, and I had to cancel the chiro appt. She said exactly what I thought...if she adjusted her, and her feet were sore, she'd just put herself out again, because her hooves hurt. They need to find another farrier, because a good farrier would have never made those hooves hurt, if they knew what they were doing.
Has Dutton cantered under saddle yet? How did it go?
How’s Dutton doing?🤔is he getting more training?😊
Seems hind end / hock sore?
If you watch Part 1, he's pretty dang lame. He said he was "trimmed too short" or something, but...
@ryanrosehorsemanship do you want to come to Ohio and work with a horse I rescued last year? He won’t pick you up his feet for ferrier, steering isn’t good…
That green rider should not have a green horse. Or get a good old horse, take some lessons, then move into riding this horse later.
The owner does know much about riding and Haß too much weight