@@alexbowersox2127the connect PAS does suggest the belay loop, but belay loops on harnesses are generally only rated for 12kn, not full strength. If you factor 2 on a belay loop, as you might right at the anchor, you could end up blowing out the loop in an older harness while the main points would be just fine. The connect is a dynamic rope and is safer for it, but you should still not trust the belay loop for high factors and big falls.
@@aleixsanchis7852 check your harness's manual. Belay loops are only required to withstand 15 kN for 3 minutes as per the CE rating. If you put even 10 kN through a person's harness, their body is going to be in worse shape than the belay loop. Now, they often have an ultimate break strength of 25+ kN brand new because that's what you get using tubular webbing to make an abrasion resistant loop, but are you buying new gear every time you head out? Or do you look at a slightly frayed and sun bleached harness and think "next season"
This is the technique I would use for ascending when I was a routesetter. Pretty efficient and it's definitely much more convenient having properly designed equipment than Jerry rigging something
On my first wall route, I twisted the rope out of one of my ascenders on a rising traverse. Scary stuff. Right after that, I always clipped a small non-locking carabiner into the lower ascender hole and the rope. Haven't twisted the rope out of the ascender since.
I just got into saddle hunting and I know this is mainly for rock climbing but ur vids have taught me so much more than Iv seen anywhere else! Thanks man!!! 🖖🏼
Thanks for putting this video together, Josh. I learned how to set up an ascender, as well as the names for a bunch of the tools (Daisy chain, GriGri, Jumar).
Love your vids man! Very clear and easy to understand. Not sure if you're looking for ideas but I think a mini-series on basic multi-pitch logistics would be great. What gear you should have, rapping in, multi-rope rap, commands and calls etc. Digging the content though, keep up the great work!
New here, My friend is a climber and taught me to Jumar today, In order to get up in a tree to do some maintenance... And i must say, I found it quite fassinating :) I was mainly fassinated with how a Prusik knot (i think thats how its spelt), being such a simple knot, can stop you falling in an emergency :) I was u sing Petzl gear today, so was using a GriGri with an ascender just like your video :) I absolutely loved it and quite interested in learning more now :) So will be subbing :)
@@BetaClimbers Thanks dude... Ive been looking at gear etc.. My friend used to work for climbing companies, here in the UK, So gets discount on climbing gear.. But still. Looks expensive! haha
Modern Day Mountain Biker True it can add up but the good thing is most of it lasts a really long time I have gear from when I was a kid laying around lol. Also it will save your life and teach you some new skills 👍🏻 Just don’t by used stuff unless the seller is some one you know/ trust that can be dangerous lol
Great Tutorial Josh, I will pass this on. Love the tool board in the back; wish I had the room. An extension of this tutorial would be to see this on real rock situations,. You have given good extrapolating examples, thanks. One safety consideration: whenever securing any material to your harness other than a carabiner, to always thread it thru both tie-in points and not the belay loop.
I don’t know how I came upon this video but I’m sure that was a good explanation. I didn’t get any of it because I had no idea what we were even talking about in the first place, LOL.
@@Gustvoasbezerra Upon closer inspection, I have to agree with you that it ain't as simple as a 2:1 with redirect. Technically that is what it is, but when the load you're hauling is yourself, a redirect also becomes mechanical advantage. I think what where seeing here is actually a 2:2:1, or 4:1. I wish I had a dynomometer at home so I could try it :P
never had one, always have a couple off roap slings and a shunt with me witch i guess do the same thing, and having try'd it i'd go down the roap if given the chouse haha
First like. I really hate etriers, I don't know why people use them. An adjustable footloop is so much better. Personally, I like mine made from 6mm cord, but only when wearing stiff-soled shoes. One tip when ascending with a grigri and just the ascender, is to use the foot opposite on the hand on the ascender. I like to use the left hand and my right foot. Doing it like that helps you keep your balance and it engages more muscle groups, making it much easier. Also, your 2:1 is acutally a 3:1, and that technique is usually called RADS (Rapid Ascent and Descent System)
raphael beinhauer 🤔 I’m pretty sure it’s a 2 to 1. Two ropes on the load and one directed down? Yeah for work I use an adjustable foot loop too. The loop has a plastic pipe to make the loop more stiff maybe you can DIY that for your cord. The etriers are great for aid climbing because you can quickly ad your gear then climb the ladder as high as you can to ad a new piece. But yeah just for ascending an adjustable loop would be great.
I looked it up I think what you mean is if the system is running through like a top rope system or over a tree branch. In this case it’s just a fixed line as if you where just following the lead climber to clean a pitch. That would change the mechanical advantage.
Is there any video/tutorial a little bit more basic? Like one showing how to properly wear the harness, how to attach the jumar to the rope (you did it too fast), what is each equipment/name etc? Thank you
Hello, I noticed that you have used static ropes several times in your videos for things like top rope soloing. Could you do an episode or explain when and why you use static versus dynamic rope for the different techniques you have discussed?
Since you’re attached to the jumar (and this the rope) with a daisy chain, why do you need the grigri? Could you just use a clove hitch to a carabiner on your belay loop for a back up?
Hey I was thinking about setting up something like this on a tree in the yard just to practice, I don't know anything about climbing, I was looking online for some of the equipment I cant find a jumar are they called something different or do I need to buy some kind of set I dont know if I'll ever be a big rock climber but it does look like fun basically where do I get a setup like this
Daniel schauer www.trekkinn.com/outdoor-mountain/petzl-ascension-right/1283620/p?id_producte=1561849&country=us&gclid=CjwKCAjwvZv0BRA8EiwAD9T2Vfi7oRTS77MQBrd9URkYs0DIEXGHSDcmTdIjEKWgLAppfeYqoTGniRoCuMsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds Here is a link to one I don’t know why it wasn’t coming up for you. Maybe if you searched climbing Jumar. You can search rope ascenders that might be a more specific term. I have plans on building a website where all that information can be found. But just study as much as you can on the subject and see what everyone uses. There are classes you can take from certified instructors and climbing guides as well. Another option is going to climbing forums and search for a climbing partner you might make a friend that knows a ton. Also that is just a right handed one. You need one for each hand.
Epic little production ya got going here brother! Keep up the “Entertaining and Educational” feed! Can you comment on using a Croll, I’m not a huge fan of the larger devices with handles plus I already invested in a Croll and determined to solo with it (plus my Gri)? Can a chest ascender be used to jumar without having the fucking thing on your chest? Also, any way to rope solo on a 7.9 mm rope? Most devices don’t work on that size but there’s gotta be a way. Maybe a figure 8 or some type of micro traction? Anyway, I’m learning, love ❤️ your shit man! - trxdude
Awesome man thanks!! Gotta say you gave me alot to unpack here lol. In reference to the 7.9 mm rope, Ill first say this, climbing rules are written in BLOOD if you know what I mean. So deviating from them could be a bad idea. In other words its best to stick with the manufacturers recommendations with rope sizes especially on toothed tools. So if I where you Id infest into a Big Thick Burly static line just for when you wanna go Solo.... Okay So now on to the Croll, Yeah I like the thing I use it for work alot rather than the "big ones". (think its the second device I put on the rope) If I was going to use it (for solo) I would put a Locker through the Hole at the top of the Croll and around the rope then to my hardness. This would make sure the Croll is lock down onto the rope and cant just be takin off with out first removing the locker. I hope that makes sense! Now if you plan on using that in combination with a Gri Gri then WTH just forget the Croll and go gri gri only like I showed in my first episode "TOP ROPE SOLO" because your going to have to play with the gri gri the whole time anyway. Another thing id say is if your going Croll only I would count it as Half the protection so id still add a trax or somthing and of course ya on a bigger rope. Hope this help I have two top rope videos you can check out. Feel free to ask anything else here to help!
I always struggle with the 2nd technique when trying to raise the bottom jumar. When you are raising the top one, your bottom one is weighting the rope making it super easy to slide the top jumar up. When sliding the bottom one up there is no such tension on the rope so I struggle to do this efficiently and end up removing my top hand and pulling the rope with it while raising my bottom jumar. Maybe I'm just not taking the slack through my grigri often enough such that there is too much slack there? Do you pull slack through the grigri with every jug up? I see people flying up slabs with two jumars and could never understand their setup. Any tips welcomed!
I just noticed in another video that one guy is uncamming the bottom jumar slightly (disengaging the teeth a bit but not totally unlocking it). I might try this and see if it helps (but making sure I have it attached to me somehow in case it comes totally unclipped!).
I was wondering what situation you would be in to need to have all of that gear to hand while you're climbing, it would weigh a ton. Is it mainly needed if you cannot physically climb the rock and you're at the bottom already? But you would need to already tie an anchor at the top though?
Federico Ezequiel Mackin yeah it’s fine just more bounce. If you did it everyday like an arborist or rope Access technician you should get a static line. Jumaring up a dynamic rope kinda of feels like 2 steps forward one step back not that you are loosing any progress or slipping it’s just from the bouncing hahaha.
It'd be a good idea to girth hitch the daisy chain/PAS to your top and bottom belay loops instead of the same loop as the Gri Gri so that they are isolated in case of failure. Have you used a croll with a climbing harness? I've used them on rope access harnesses, but they are built in typically. Where do you think a good place to tie in would be?
That’s good advice. 👍🏻 Yeah my work harness has a croll built in that’s attached to the chest. The croll isn’t really my go too if I’m looking to jug up something. If all I had was a croll handy I’d use it the same as a jumar. I have done the before it’s pretty easy to get a grip on it and pull up.
@@BetaClimbers not only this is not for isolation in case of failure, the belay loop is advised to use only with textile equipment. Also, the daisy chains have a specific way of tying them as to not strangle both loops, something that happens with a girth hitch and creates unnecessary friction, that way is safer
Xander Harty I don’t really have a preference on brand. When it come to lockers I always prefer spring lockers over screw gate. I do have a carabiner episode maybe I mention more in that.
How would you simple this down and still be effective and not get exhausted? 😅 say one jumar and a microtrax and a grigri, slings and carabiners. Imagine forgetting time and you are at ground level 80m down, you cant be late for work so you gotta hurry up the rope😂
What's the difference between a Jumar and a Grigri? Don't they both do the same thing, gripping the rope when tugged downwards? Can you climb up with 2 Grigris instead?
M0rtanius A Jumars main function is for climbing ropes. A GriGri is mainly a belay device. What is nice about the jumar is you get a handle to pull up on instead of gripping the rope with your bare hands. Two grigri s would just jam up and be a mess, you can’t slide a gri gri up a rope if both ends are weighted.
Excellent presentation! Please help me think this through... @2:33 you "justify" the grigri as progress capture and safety. However, the grigri is not supposed to be a passive safety device. Ideally, wouldn't it make more sense in terms of safety to use a Microtraxion tied to your belay loop as in your Top Rope Solo YT video: ruclips.net/video/8HOfrql6uV8/видео.html ?
I think that would just over complicate things because if you needed to rappel you are already on a Grigri. No change over needed. The grigri is a bomber device I don’t worry about it personally especially as a back up in this scenario. Is some cases a grigri wouldn’t work as a back up but here it does quite well.
@@BetaClimbers Thank you. I use the Microtraxion to solo TR (thanks for the idea), and when I want out half-way through the climb, I just connect the Jumar and leave the Micro as my back up as I ascend and top off. Sounds good to you? I see, though, after your answer the advantage of using the grigri on an ascend from the ground.
@@BetaClimbers I think I did, and it looks good. I didn't want to overcomplicate my prior questions to you, but I have actually been using a static rope tied to bolted anchors with a fig 8 bunny, and 2 Microtraxions side-by-side like two books on a shelf (each to a different rope strand) connected through a single locking biner to my belay loop. I have used this system for three years and I feel very safe - I also tie periodic clove hitch on biners (or fig 8 knots) on my way up as another redundancy.
@Beta climbers, so I know this isn’t probably the safest option but what if I was to just buy jumar but a chest or waist mount one and I just free climbed the rope pretty much but if I needed to I could stop and take a break, would this setup work good?
Wouldnt work, rope cant slide through a grigri if it is weighted. So of you stood on your theoretical bottom grigri the top grigri would be weighted. Hope that makes sense.
BetaClimbers just watched “free solo” super psyched to try climbing rn. Never climbed before. Can’t wait for the pandemic to be over so I can go to a rock gym. Been surfing on RUclips for the past weeks for hours a day watching climbing related videos🤣 I’m an alright cyclist and I have twig arms. We’ll see how climbing works out for me
What if the person cant afford all those high dollar equipment u have such as a petzl grigri n not counting that rope too...that's about $300 right there....some people dont have that kind of money laying around..
Heaven Franklin climb with some one that does . Climbing is an expensive sport. Your only other option is buying used gear but that is is risky, you never know what that gear as been through. But if you were willing to take that risk ppl often do quit the sport and sell all their gear.
Back to basics, every beginning climber should know the Blakes hitch & closed system. All you need is a rope & carabiner. Lay the foundation with basics before moving to the convenience of modern equipment. Nicely explained here. ruclips.net/video/NDjCFjw8tFg/видео.html
If I need to climb up to a ceiling and come back down, How do I correctly undo the jumars so I can belay down? Guy at the climbing store sold be two Petzl Ascension and a Black Diamond figure 8 that my rope barely fits through for this task. From the directions from the figure 8, it seems like I have to put all my weight onto my jumars, completely undo my belay to reverse it to come down. Am I headed in the right direction? Am I supposed to trust the jumars to hold me up while I disconnect my belay device? Am I missing some other piece of equipment? They said they couldn’t explain how to use any of the equipment because of liability but I feel like it’s more of a liability to have sent me off with no guidance. I tried to do it about 6 feet off the ground but I’m struggling to understand what exactly is going on and I get tangled up.
I'm really new to this stuff and no expert whatsoever, but wanted to maybe point you or future readers perhaps in the right direction: From what I've practiced with so far, it seems that you set up the rappelling figure 8 below where your ascenders (and I'm guessing the belay device) are connected to the rope so it's just the slack weight of the rope below it. That is what allows you to put a bight through the figure 8. Then again, I haven't used a belay device in the set up you mention so it may be possible to pull slack through it and having all of your weight on the ascenders. As for what order on when to detach the belay device, I'll leave that to others more experienced. What's helped me a lot is just practicing on a low branch in a tree in the backyard. You'll figure out many things just from experimenting in a safe environment. Then get verification from someone informed and/or certified before doing anything big time. Good luck.
The Loobis Beta is climbing jargon that designates information about a climb. The complexity of beta can range from a small hint about a difficult section to a step-by-step instruction of the entire climb. Basically it is the knowledge about a climb. Climbing is like a puzzle of body movements and if you know that puzzle you have the beta.
That music is REALLY distracting. Lose it will ya? I'm listening to every word you're saying but that music is crap. Nothing would be better for this kind of video.
I suppose you could but it isn’t rated for falls and if you haven’t altered it then it could be in the locked open position with out you knowing. So for those reason I wouldn’t recommend it.
always girth hitch both points on your harness never just to belay loop
not true, look at petzl user manual for a PAS
wrong
@@alexbowersox2127the connect PAS does suggest the belay loop, but belay loops on harnesses are generally only rated for 12kn, not full strength. If you factor 2 on a belay loop, as you might right at the anchor, you could end up blowing out the loop in an older harness while the main points would be just fine. The connect is a dynamic rope and is safer for it, but you should still not trust the belay loop for high factors and big falls.
@@wyattroncin941 That's just not true. The belay loop is full strength
@@aleixsanchis7852 check your harness's manual. Belay loops are only required to withstand 15 kN for 3 minutes as per the CE rating. If you put even 10 kN through a person's harness, their body is going to be in worse shape than the belay loop.
Now, they often have an ultimate break strength of 25+ kN brand new because that's what you get using tubular webbing to make an abrasion resistant loop, but are you buying new gear every time you head out? Or do you look at a slightly frayed and sun bleached harness and think "next season"
Your presentation is excellent: you know your material, you're able to present it well and you don't waste any time. Thank you for videos like this.
Do you have to carry all of this on your belt?
This is the exact technique I use to ascend a rope for hunting out of a tree. Great concise demo of it!
well we all know this is bullshit....
@@nickmagill3604 why are you calling bullshit? I voted see this being a great way to saddle hunt out of a tree.
I plan on trying this for the upcoming season.
Fantastic presentation. Very knowledgeable and friendly. Two essential ingredients for any “how to” video!
Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed for my rock climbing photography setup.
This is the technique I would use for ascending when I was a routesetter. Pretty efficient and it's definitely much more convenient having properly designed equipment than Jerry rigging something
Whats jerry rigging?
On my first wall route, I twisted the rope out of one of my ascenders on a rising traverse. Scary stuff. Right after that, I always clipped a small non-locking carabiner into the lower ascender hole and the rope. Haven't twisted the rope out of the ascender since.
Great video, I used this setup for ascending my sailboat mast and it feels very secure. I also run a Petzl basic on another halyard for redundancy
came here just for that reason, need to climb the mast and used to rock climb
josh perry.. climbing... climbing outta here.
Thanks! awesome presentation. just what I needed
A better explanation than this does not exist.
Finding and completely understandable!
Thank you
I just got into saddle hunting and I know this is mainly for rock climbing but ur vids have taught me so much more than Iv seen anywhere else! Thanks man!!! 🖖🏼
Nice work buddy. Very informative and well articulated video. Thank you brother.
Thanks for putting this video together, Josh. I learned how to set up an ascender, as well as the names for a bunch of the tools (Daisy chain, GriGri, Jumar).
Love your vids man! Very clear and easy to understand.
Not sure if you're looking for ideas but I think a mini-series on basic multi-pitch logistics would be great.
What gear you should have, rapping in, multi-rope rap, commands and calls etc.
Digging the content though, keep up the great work!
Awesome man! I’m always open to what you all think. For sure that sounds like fun! I’ll add that to the todo list.
New here, My friend is a climber and taught me to Jumar today, In order to get up in a tree to do some maintenance... And i must say, I found it quite fassinating :)
I was mainly fassinated with how a Prusik knot (i think thats how its spelt), being such a simple knot, can stop you falling in an emergency :)
I was u sing Petzl gear today, so was using a GriGri with an ascender just like your video :)
I absolutely loved it and quite interested in learning more now :)
So will be subbing :)
Modern Day Mountain Biker right on man happy to share a new sport with you 🤙🏻
@@BetaClimbers Thanks dude... Ive been looking at gear etc.. My friend used to work for climbing companies, here in the UK, So gets discount on climbing gear.. But still. Looks expensive! haha
Modern Day Mountain Biker True it can add up but the good thing is most of it lasts a really long time I have gear from when I was a kid laying around lol. Also it will save your life and teach you some new skills 👍🏻 Just don’t by used stuff unless the seller is some one you know/ trust that can be dangerous lol
Good stuff brother!!!
Great Tutorial Josh, I will pass this on. Love the tool board in the back; wish I had the room. An extension of this tutorial would be to see this on real rock situations,. You have given good extrapolating examples, thanks. One safety consideration: whenever securing any material to your harness other than a carabiner, to always thread it thru both tie-in points and not the belay loop.
i use a jomar with a carabiner on top with a pully to lock my jomar onto my rope and pulling myself up tru the pully
Great vid thanks
Thanks
Right on, that was awesome.
I don’t know how I came upon this video but I’m sure that was a good explanation. I didn’t get any of it because I had no idea what we were even talking about in the first place, LOL.
Excellent to the point
Great video!
Just a small note, at 7:04 the system is already a 2:1, adding the carabiner makes it 3:1, so get ready to do a lot of pulling
Clipping the jumar actually just makes the 2:1 into a 2:1 with redirect :)
@@Plumsytheghillieone I'm quite positive that it becomes a 3:1, look carefully.
What he has there is a trucker's hitch
@@Gustvoasbezerra Upon closer inspection, I have to agree with you that it ain't as simple as a 2:1 with redirect. Technically that is what it is, but when the load you're hauling is yourself, a redirect also becomes mechanical advantage. I think what where seeing here is actually a 2:2:1, or 4:1. I wish I had a dynomometer at home so I could try it :P
Great channel! Would love to see some videos on access work rigging and haul systems. Thanks for the great content.
the backdrop is a nice touch.
Solid overview.
Appreciate it thanks 🤙🏻
Joshua, I enjoyed your presentation.
visumexcipio thank you 👍🏻
Don't forget to clip a carabiner into the ascender so the rope cant just slip out. Thats what the hole is for...
Great setup man, thanks!
never had one, always have a couple off roap slings and a shunt with me witch i guess do the same thing, and having try'd it i'd go down the roap if given the chouse haha
Really great video thanks!🙏🏻
Nice presentation! Where would you apply this in sportclimbing, though? The rope usually goes through the anchor and comes down in two strands, right?
Learn SRT for caving and canyoning. A frog system is much faster and more efficient. I recommend videos by Derek Bristol.
First like. I really hate etriers, I don't know why people use them. An adjustable footloop is so much better. Personally, I like mine made from 6mm cord, but only when wearing stiff-soled shoes. One tip when ascending with a grigri and just the ascender, is to use the foot opposite on the hand on the ascender. I like to use the left hand and my right foot. Doing it like that helps you keep your balance and it engages more muscle groups, making it much easier.
Also, your 2:1 is acutally a 3:1, and that technique is usually called RADS (Rapid Ascent and Descent System)
raphael beinhauer 🤔 I’m pretty sure it’s a 2 to 1. Two ropes on the load and one directed down? Yeah for work I use an adjustable foot loop too. The loop has a plastic pipe to make the loop more stiff maybe you can DIY that for your cord. The etriers are great for aid climbing because you can quickly ad your gear then climb the ladder as high as you can to ad a new piece. But yeah just for ascending an adjustable loop would be great.
@@BetaClimbers If you were pulling from the ground it would be a 2:1, however, since you're moving its a 3:1. Check out Richard Mumfords mA explained.
@@BetaClimbers Also, the reason I like my diy loop is because its so compact and flexible, a pipe doesn’t help.
Oh that’s interesting thanks ima look that up
I looked it up I think what you mean is if the system is running through like a top rope system or over a tree branch. In this case it’s just a fixed line as if you where just following the lead climber to clean a pitch. That would change the mechanical advantage.
Awesome. 👍
Is there any video/tutorial a little bit more basic? Like one showing how to properly wear the harness, how to attach the jumar to the rope (you did it too fast), what is each equipment/name etc? Thank you
so the red sling is so that you don't put full weight on the grigri I'm guessing?
good explaination, thanks
Hello,
I noticed that you have used static ropes several times in your videos for things like top rope soloing.
Could you do an episode or explain when and why you use static versus dynamic rope for the different techniques you have discussed?
Super great job. Thank You.
Tom Tom 🤙🏻
Great vid! Could you please tell me what type of GriGri you attached to the rope at 2 minutes 35 seconds?
I believe any grigri would work I think it’s just a normal grigri it is not the + or the 3 model
3:18 HE SAID WHAT
@@derianvenegas7037 caraBINER 🤣
If you put a pulley on your jumar then you dont need to pull up on the rope,you just pull down as you go up.
what is the best length for the line that connected from jummar to harness for jummar jummar?
@@shabolly thats really subjective on how far your own arm is from your waist you kinda have to adjust the system to yourself.
Since you’re attached to the jumar (and this the rope) with a daisy chain, why do you need the grigri? Could you just use a clove hitch to a carabiner on your belay loop for a back up?
Yeah you could, but that would slow you down. And if for what ever reason you want to go down you are set up.
@BetaClimbers what is the thing you use to put yourself down called.
Hey Josh, great video as always.... I am curious... what type of harness are you wearing in this video? Noticed the 2 buckles on the belt.
ruclips.net/video/Ccaw8I5B3kE/видео.html
Here is a closer look at it!
@@BetaClimbers excellent ! Didn't know BD made climbing harnesses with double belt buckles... so comfy . Thank you!
Hey I was thinking about setting up something like this on a tree in the yard just to practice, I don't know anything about climbing, I was looking online for some of the equipment I cant find a jumar are they called something different or do I need to buy some kind of set I dont know if I'll ever be a big rock climber but it does look like fun basically where do I get a setup like this
Daniel schauer www.trekkinn.com/outdoor-mountain/petzl-ascension-right/1283620/p?id_producte=1561849&country=us&gclid=CjwKCAjwvZv0BRA8EiwAD9T2Vfi7oRTS77MQBrd9URkYs0DIEXGHSDcmTdIjEKWgLAppfeYqoTGniRoCuMsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Here is a link to one I don’t know why it wasn’t coming up for you. Maybe if you searched climbing Jumar. You can search rope ascenders that might be a more specific term. I have plans on building a website where all that information can be found. But just study as much as you can on the subject and see what everyone uses. There are classes you can take from certified instructors and climbing guides as well. Another option is going to climbing forums and search for a climbing partner you might make a friend that knows a ton. Also that is just a right handed one. You need one for each hand.
Are you able to apply the same principals with a rescue 8 vs a grigri?
New to climbing. Friend gave me some trad gear and some Jumars. After realizing how much extra gear I need I’m not sure how useful they are haha
Lol Climb long enough and you'll come to find you cant live without some jumars. Haha
is there really no better and more effcicent devices for ascending?! there a like a 100 things attached there.
What do you climb for work?
Enjoy your videos
Thanks 🤙🏻 I own a industrial access business. So anything In the industrial world that needs a climber to get to I’m your guy. Lol
Can you use a Jumar on a cable like the Half Dome cables on the off season?
I’m sure the teeth wouldn’t bite in and it would just slide in cables.
Epic little production ya got going here brother! Keep up the “Entertaining and Educational” feed! Can you comment on using a Croll, I’m not a huge fan of the larger devices with handles plus I already invested in a Croll and determined to solo with it (plus my Gri)? Can a chest ascender be used to jumar without having the fucking thing on your chest? Also, any way to rope solo on a 7.9 mm rope? Most devices don’t work on that size but there’s gotta be a way. Maybe a figure 8 or some type of micro traction? Anyway, I’m learning, love ❤️ your shit man! - trxdude
Awesome man thanks!! Gotta say you gave me alot to unpack here lol. In reference to the 7.9 mm rope, Ill first say this, climbing rules are written in BLOOD if you know what I mean. So deviating from them could be a bad idea. In other words its best to stick with the manufacturers recommendations with rope sizes especially on toothed tools. So if I where you Id infest into a Big Thick Burly static line just for when you wanna go Solo.... Okay So now on to the Croll, Yeah I like the thing I use it for work alot rather than the "big ones". (think its the second device I put on the rope) If I was going to use it (for solo) I would put a Locker through the Hole at the top of the Croll and around the rope then to my hardness. This would make sure the Croll is lock down onto the rope and cant just be takin off with out first removing the locker. I hope that makes sense!
Now if you plan on using that in combination with a Gri Gri then WTH just forget the Croll and go gri gri only like I showed in my first episode "TOP ROPE SOLO" because your going to have to play with the gri gri the whole time anyway. Another thing id say is if your going Croll only I would count it as Half the protection so id still add a trax or somthing and of course ya on a bigger rope. Hope this help I have two top rope videos you can check out. Feel free to ask anything else here to help!
You didn’t biner in the rope to the top of the ascender…. Was that intentional?
I always struggle with the 2nd technique when trying to raise the bottom jumar. When you are raising the top one, your bottom one is weighting the rope making it super easy to slide the top jumar up. When sliding the bottom one up there is no such tension on the rope so I struggle to do this efficiently and end up removing my top hand and pulling the rope with it while raising my bottom jumar. Maybe I'm just not taking the slack through my grigri often enough such that there is too much slack there? Do you pull slack through the grigri with every jug up? I see people flying up slabs with two jumars and could never understand their setup. Any tips welcomed!
I just noticed in another video that one guy is uncamming the bottom jumar slightly (disengaging the teeth a bit but not totally unlocking it). I might try this and see if it helps (but making sure I have it attached to me somehow in case it comes totally unclipped!).
I was wondering what situation you would be in to need to have all of that gear to hand while you're climbing, it would weigh a ton. Is it mainly needed if you cannot physically climb the rock and you're at the bottom already? But you would need to already tie an anchor at the top though?
If you want to climb a big wall fast your leader will climb the pitch and the belayer will jumar up the rope and clean it.
@@BetaClimbers gotcha, thanks for the insight. Love the videos by the way. Would be great to see more out on the crag in real life scenarios
@@jgoddard 🤙🏻
Why do rock climbers not use something more similar to the rope walking systems used in arborculture?
Comes down to price and amount of gear.
@@BetaClimbers I don't know about that. I put my first rope walking setup together for ~$250. It really does not need to be expensive.
Can be done with way less gear
Hi josh ! Is it ok to jumar up a dynamic rope ? what about the teeth and the rope's sheath ?
Federico Ezequiel Mackin yeah it’s fine just more bounce. If you did it everyday like an arborist or rope Access technician you should get a static line. Jumaring up a dynamic rope kinda of feels like 2 steps forward one step back not that you are loosing any progress or slipping it’s just from the bouncing hahaha.
@@BetaClimbers thanks for the info!
@BetaClimbers Josh what is the name of the device that you show at 01:44 ?
Petzl Croll
@@BetaClimbers thanks!
Petzl Basic
I WANT EVEREST!
It'd be a good idea to girth hitch the daisy chain/PAS to your top and bottom belay loops instead of the same loop as the Gri Gri so that they are isolated in case of failure. Have you used a croll with a climbing harness? I've used them on rope access harnesses, but they are built in typically. Where do you think a good place to tie in would be?
That’s good advice. 👍🏻 Yeah my work harness has a croll built in that’s attached to the chest. The croll isn’t really my go too if I’m looking to jug up something. If all I had was a croll handy I’d use it the same as a jumar. I have done the before it’s pretty easy to get a grip on it and pull up.
@@BetaClimbers not only this is not for isolation in case of failure, the belay loop is advised to use only with textile equipment. Also, the daisy chains have a specific way of tying them as to not strangle both loops, something that happens with a girth hitch and creates unnecessary friction, that way is safer
What brand/style carabiner do you use?
Xander Harty I don’t really have a preference on brand. When it come to lockers I always prefer spring lockers over screw gate. I do have a carabiner episode maybe I mention more in that.
@@BetaClimbers thank you
How would you simple this down and still be effective and not get exhausted? 😅 say one jumar and a microtrax and a grigri, slings and carabiners. Imagine forgetting time and you are at ground level 80m down, you cant be late for work so you gotta hurry up the rope😂
Kristoffer Presthaug LoL just use the micro as a second Jumar and go for it! Make sure to drink some Red Bull! Lol 😂
@@BetaClimbers 😂😂😂
What's the difference between a Jumar and a Grigri? Don't they both do the same thing, gripping the rope when tugged downwards? Can you climb up with 2 Grigris instead?
M0rtanius A Jumars main function is for climbing ropes. A GriGri is mainly a belay device. What is nice about the jumar is you get a handle to pull up on instead of gripping the rope with your bare hands. Two grigri s would just jam up and be a mess, you can’t slide a gri gri up a rope if both ends are weighted.
Excellent presentation! Please help me think this through... @2:33 you "justify" the grigri as progress capture and safety. However, the grigri is not supposed to be a passive safety device. Ideally, wouldn't it make more sense in terms of safety to use a Microtraxion tied to your belay loop as in your Top Rope Solo YT video: ruclips.net/video/8HOfrql6uV8/видео.html ?
I think that would just over complicate things because if you needed to rappel you are already on a Grigri. No change over needed. The grigri is a bomber device I don’t worry about it personally especially as a back up in this scenario. Is some cases a grigri wouldn’t work as a back up but here it does quite well.
@@BetaClimbers Thank you. I use the Microtraxion to solo TR (thanks for the idea), and when I want out half-way through the climb, I just connect the Jumar and leave the Micro as my back up as I ascend and top off. Sounds good to you? I see, though, after your answer the advantage of using the grigri on an ascend from the ground.
@@jaeimp makes sense did you check you the Taz video, that’s my new solo device I have been using. I dig it.
@@BetaClimbers I think I did, and it looks good. I didn't want to overcomplicate my prior questions to you, but I have actually been using a static rope tied to bolted anchors with a fig 8 bunny, and 2 Microtraxions side-by-side like two books on a shelf (each to a different rope strand) connected through a single locking biner to my belay loop. I have used this system for three years and I feel very safe - I also tie periodic clove hitch on biners (or fig 8 knots) on my way up as another redundancy.
@@jaeimp sounds bomber to me. 🤙🏻
@Beta climbers, so I know this isn’t probably the safest option but what if I was to just buy jumar but a chest or waist mount one and I just free climbed the rope pretty much but if I needed to I could stop and take a break, would this setup work good?
Or could I use a gri gri
Conglomeration of heavy crap you don't need and a bunch of crap to tangle
Why do rock climbers call hand ascenders "jumars" anyway...?
They where first manufactured by Jümar Pangit
Could you just use two grigri?
Wouldnt work, rope cant slide through a grigri if it is weighted. So of you stood on your theoretical bottom grigri the top grigri would be weighted. Hope that makes sense.
BetaClimbers oh yeah you’re totally right I’m having a brain fart😂
BetaClimbers but if you happen to have two independent rope then maybe it could work
Yuxuan Sun haha yeah a lot of things are like that though sounds like it should work on paper but ends up not working in practice. 🤙🏻
BetaClimbers just watched “free solo” super psyched to try climbing rn. Never climbed before. Can’t wait for the pandemic to be over so I can go to a rock gym. Been surfing on RUclips for the past weeks for hours a day watching climbing related videos🤣 I’m an alright cyclist and I have twig arms. We’ll see how climbing works out for me
Don’t understand why you are demoing on the daisy chain you said NOT to use and tossed aside the one you said we should use 💩
What if the person cant afford all those high dollar equipment u have such as a petzl grigri n not counting that rope too...that's about $300 right there....some people dont have that kind of money laying around..
Heaven Franklin climb with some one that does . Climbing is an expensive sport. Your only other option is buying used gear but that is is risky, you never know what that gear as been through. But if you were willing to take that risk ppl often do quit the sport and sell all their gear.
Back to basics, every beginning climber should know the Blakes hitch & closed system. All you need is a rope & carabiner. Lay the foundation with basics before moving to the convenience of modern equipment. Nicely explained here. ruclips.net/video/NDjCFjw8tFg/видео.html
If I need to climb up to a ceiling and come back down, How do I correctly undo the jumars so I can belay down? Guy at the climbing store sold be two Petzl Ascension and a Black Diamond figure 8 that my rope barely fits through for this task. From the directions from the figure 8, it seems like I have to put all my weight onto my jumars, completely undo my belay to reverse it to come down. Am I headed in the right direction? Am I supposed to trust the jumars to hold me up while I disconnect my belay device? Am I missing some other piece of equipment? They said they couldn’t explain how to use any of the equipment because of liability but I feel like it’s more of a liability to have sent me off with no guidance. I tried to do it about 6 feet off the ground but I’m struggling to understand what exactly is going on and I get tangled up.
I'm really new to this stuff and no expert whatsoever, but wanted to maybe point you or future readers perhaps in the right direction:
From what I've practiced with so far, it seems that you set up the rappelling figure 8 below where your ascenders (and I'm guessing the belay device) are connected to the rope so it's just the slack weight of the rope below it. That is what allows you to put a bight through the figure 8. Then again, I haven't used a belay device in the set up you mention so it may be possible to pull slack through it and having all of your weight on the ascenders.
As for what order on when to detach the belay device, I'll leave that to others more experienced.
What's helped me a lot is just practicing on a low branch in a tree in the backyard. You'll figure out many things just from experimenting in a safe environment. Then get verification from someone informed and/or certified before doing anything big time.
Good luck.
CT clipnroll...
Beta Climbers? What is that supposed to mean? My first thought was "not a man" Please explain.
The Loobis Beta is climbing jargon that designates information about a climb. The complexity of beta can range from a small hint about a difficult section to a step-by-step instruction of the entire climb. Basically it is the knowledge about a climb. Climbing is like a puzzle of body movements and if you know that puzzle you have the beta.
Jumar is the name of a company not a technique your not as smart as you think but neither am I.
I couldn’t understand anything he was saying
Maybe it is your attention span.
That music is REALLY distracting. Lose it will ya? I'm listening to every word you're saying but that music is crap. Nothing would be better for this kind of video.
All these climbing things sound like some tribal african named them.....
Grigri the jumar to the girth hitch.... Like what
Talks too much can't understand what has point is
aaron letchford Here is the simple transcript:
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yada yada... they type of person you purposely trip while walking by on the sidewalk.
Could you use a micro traction to your harness for a backup instead of the gri gri ?
I suppose you could but it isn’t rated for falls and if you haven’t altered it then it could be in the locked open position with out you knowing. So for those reason I wouldn’t recommend it.
Thanks
Paul Morrey 🤙🏻