I do a lot of ascending now photographing and filming climbers, the grigri and single ascender is by far my personal fave. I find two ascender and two sets of stirrups to be the most cumbersome by far....the first and third method are my personal favs as you are working a pull on the rope to lift your waist and hips high and your other hand and corresponding foot on the ascender and in the stirrup to elevate you to your high pull - I found it very easy to get the hand of as it is sort of a push then pull and push for height and a pull to get your waist up high then repeat.....great system but I did spent a few long weekends before I used it on an actual shoot but now it has really helped up my game as before I would rap to the crux of the climb then lock off and photograph or film that section....now I can basically follow in unison with the climber throughout the whole route...
I agree with you and do the same for photography. However, the double ascender method is much more efficient when ascender longer stretches of rope because while it is more cumbersome and more gear, it gets you up quicker using both left and right arms and legs. A single pitch, a Grigri setup is perfect.
Hello! Starting up with my climbing photography as well - what do use when setting up the anchor system? Also, how do you make the system redundant? Bec ascending on one rope is a bit scary if there are sharp ledges. Thanks!
Hand ascender with footloop and Croll with chesty is the best and fastest rope ascent system. Changes over to descent on GriGri or Reverso in about 10 seconds flat.
@Sma 556 yea sorry bud but you reply with some random link on nearly every single comment. Aint no way I'm clicking on that. Do you want computer aids? Cause thats how you get computer aids
هُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَكُمْ خَلَائِفَ فِي الْأَرْضِ ۚ فَمَنْ كَفَرَ فَعَلَيْهِ كُفْرُهُ ۖ وَلَا يَزِيدُ الْكَافِرِينَ كُفْرُهُمْ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ إِلَّا مَقْتًا ۖ وَلَا يَزِيدُ الْكَافِرِينَ كُفْرُهُمْ إِلَّا خَسَارًا He it is That has made you inheritors in the earth: if, then, any do reject (Allah), their rejection (works) against themselves: their rejection but adds to the odium for the Unbelievers in the sight of their Lord: their rejection but adds to (their own) undoing.
3:05 "They are left and right hand specific". 5:59 "In this case I'm using a left-handed one because I'm right hand dominant. That's going to help me out a little bit later in the process." Newbie question: Is that because at 8:24 you use your left hand to disconnect the ascender while you are using your right hand to hold onto the brake strand of the rope (as advised at 8:12) ? If that is the reason, then it seems that the used of the left-handed ascender is dictated by the design of the grigri (which requires the right hand on brake rope) rather than being right hand dominant.
@@todop I hope so, because I purchased a left hander. At first, with the ascender in the climbing orientation, I found it almost impossible to work the release mechanism to take it off the rope. However, I found that if twisted the ascender about the rope axis by 90° it became easy. This is for the Petzl Ascension. Thank you for your reply.
well they work just fine rotated, when i do a belay with a petzl simple or rappel rack i keep one on the righthanded with my left hand on the rope with my finger pressing the mehanism so its moving free on the rope but not released. and my right hand do the rapeling
These methods are basically just cheap RADS, two-handed ascending, and basic RADS. There are a lot more ways to ascend a rope with less gear, especially in an emergency situation
Nice video, but by using the PAS on the upper Hand Ascender, especially by not using its full length, you are limiting the throw of your arm. Maybe that's intentional for arm efficiency. Me, I'd rather have 30 less moves and progress 1/3 or more further with every move.
Where is your back up? If you're choosing to forgo a back up prusik beneath your brake line, you should at least suggest tying a backup knot every 10 feet or so. Otherwise, if something were to fail with the ascension device or set up then the climber could potentially fall to their death on taller climbs.
Back up for what one? When you're in guide mode you don't need a backup. You can go handsfree on guide belay and it locks safely. With the double ascender one, the second ascender is your backup. And on the Grirgi ascender combo, you have the Grigri, (which is a Grigri), but he tethered into the ascender for a backup. Looks all legit to me.
That was the most awkward ascending form I've seen in a long time. Way too much effort going into those movements. Your legs are fighting your body movements and your not getting enough power out of the lower body. Good explanations though, very poor execution. Well produced video 👍
good, but if you have a thicker rope, such as a 40mm or 50mm jute rope, how do you make the knots? For climbing. bricolajshop.ro/web_continut/poze/mari/franghie-o-50-mm-iuta-3633-1.jpg
Just awesome man!! The only suggestion si that showing all you explain more in closeup would be very helpful.
I do a lot of ascending now photographing and filming climbers, the grigri and single ascender is by far my personal fave. I find two ascender and two sets of stirrups to be the most cumbersome by far....the first and third method are my personal favs as you are working a pull on the rope to lift your waist and hips high and your other hand and corresponding foot on the ascender and in the stirrup to elevate you to your high pull - I found it very easy to get the hand of as it is sort of a push then pull and push for height and a pull to get your waist up high then repeat.....great system but I did spent a few long weekends before I used it on an actual shoot but now it has really helped up my game as before I would rap to the crux of the climb then lock off and photograph or film that section....now I can basically follow in unison with the climber throughout the whole route...
I agree with you and do the same for photography. However, the double ascender method is much more efficient when ascender longer stretches of rope because while it is more cumbersome and more gear, it gets you up quicker using both left and right arms and legs. A single pitch, a Grigri setup is perfect.
@@nathankhalsa33 yea, if I had to jug a thousand feet, I would prefer your method for sure...
Hello! Starting up with my climbing photography as well - what do use when setting up the anchor system? Also, how do you make the system redundant? Bec ascending on one rope is a bit scary if there are sharp ledges. Thanks!
Great footage ...just you forget prusiks slings method...Always very useful.
Hand ascender with footloop and Croll with chesty is the best and fastest rope ascent system. Changes over to descent on GriGri or Reverso in about 10 seconds flat.
Definitely agree that a frog system is good for maneuvering and changeovers but ropewalker would be faster for long ascents
@@starfilmsanimation we dont have that in europe :D mostly tight caves with left righs drops rebelays,
Saludos desde México!!
great video, Thanks for sharing..
Some close ups of the connections you are making would aid those of us starting out. Easy to get gear backwards, upside down, etc.
@Sma 556 yea sorry bud but you reply with some random link on nearly every single comment. Aint no way I'm clicking on that. Do you want computer aids? Cause thats how you get computer aids
@@carlcox7332 click on it pssy
Some closeups of the actual setup would be very helpful
هُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَكُمْ خَلَائِفَ فِي الْأَرْضِ ۚ فَمَنْ كَفَرَ فَعَلَيْهِ كُفْرُهُ ۖ وَلَا يَزِيدُ الْكَافِرِينَ كُفْرُهُمْ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ إِلَّا مَقْتًا ۖ وَلَا يَزِيدُ الْكَافِرِينَ كُفْرُهُمْ إِلَّا خَسَارًا
He it is That has made you inheritors in the earth: if, then, any do reject (Allah), their rejection (works) against themselves: their rejection but adds to the odium for the Unbelievers in the sight of their Lord: their rejection but adds to (their own) undoing.
My thoughts exactly jeff
looks like 1 and 3 need a longer sling to make life easier
great video thank you !
Thank you
helo what is your hand ascender type
a chest acsender for a bit more weight carried will made things a bit easier
What do I need to climb trees, for limb cutting?
3:05 "They are left and right hand specific". 5:59 "In this case I'm using a left-handed one because I'm right hand dominant. That's going to help me out a little bit later in the process."
Newbie question: Is that because at 8:24 you use your left hand to disconnect the ascender while you are using your right hand to hold onto the brake strand of the rope (as advised at 8:12) ? If that is the reason, then it seems that the used of the left-handed ascender is dictated by the design of the grigri (which requires the right hand on brake rope) rather than being right hand dominant.
probably, it will be easier(kind of) to use your dominant hand to pull the rope , and the acsender is moving easy even with the bad hand
@@todop I hope so, because I purchased a left hander. At first, with the ascender in the climbing orientation, I found it almost impossible to work the release mechanism to take it off the rope. However, I found that if twisted the ascender about the rope axis by 90° it became easy. This is for the Petzl Ascension. Thank you for your reply.
well they work just fine rotated, when i do a belay with a petzl simple or rappel rack i keep one on the righthanded with my left hand on the rope with my finger pressing the mehanism so its moving free on the rope but not released. and my right hand do the rapeling
Cool. Attaboy!
These methods are basically just cheap RADS, two-handed ascending, and basic RADS. There are a lot more ways to ascend a rope with less gear, especially in an emergency situation
Could you please what links you recommend to learn? Thank you.
Could you just use a hand ascender instead of a petzl tiblock?
Yes
Nice video, but by using the PAS on the upper Hand Ascender, especially by not using its full length, you are limiting the throw of your arm. Maybe that's intentional for arm efficiency. Me, I'd rather have 30 less moves and progress 1/3 or more further with every move.
Where is your back up? If you're choosing to forgo a back up prusik beneath your brake line, you should at least suggest tying a backup knot every 10 feet or so. Otherwise, if something were to fail with the ascension device or set up then the climber could potentially fall to their death on taller climbs.
Back up for what one? When you're in guide mode you don't need a backup. You can go handsfree on guide belay and it locks safely. With the double ascender one, the second ascender is your backup. And on the Grirgi ascender combo, you have the Grigri, (which is a Grigri), but he tethered into the ascender for a backup. Looks all legit to me.
Very tiring used the left/right double
Method down a 50 meter well..... I was f*****
isnt it just easier to use prussik?
is the scretching normal
Good explanations !
THESE WERE HORRIBLE EXPLANATIONS! I don't know what the hell he's doing.
Huh i wouldnt attach crab like that to Tblock....
That was the most awkward ascending form I've seen in a long time. Way too much effort going into those movements. Your legs are fighting your body movements and your not getting enough power out of the lower body. Good explanations though, very poor execution. Well produced video 👍
Staying zoomed out made this video virtually useless
Lot of stretch in that rope
good, but if you have a thicker rope, such as a 40mm or 50mm jute rope, how do you make the knots?
For climbing.
bricolajshop.ro/web_continut/poze/mari/franghie-o-50-mm-iuta-3633-1.jpg
Thank you