The NFL's Final Attempt To Save Kickoffs, Bring Back Returns? | NFL Coach Breaks Down Hybrid Kickoff
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Devin Hester looking at this like - These MF'ers!
If they get rid of kickoffs Hester instantly becomes the GOAT, he is probably cool with that
I still think about thay super bowl opening kickoff return. Legendary
@@williamgilstrap9875 Fair point lol
@@willbeard4835 Thats what made me think of this comment lol
Right!
I'm sad the that this would eliminate the surprise onside kick, but it makes sense
When was the last time a suprise onside attempt actually worked in the nfl?
@@mattr791superbowl 48 that sealed the win
Pat literally onside kicked it to himself on base kickoff alignment
@@mattr791surprise onside kicks are like the only time they work at all
@mattr791 it's not a success rate driven play lol. If it was attempted every two weeks, it would no longer be a surprise.
I like everything but I think they should add that the kicker has to do a shot just before each kickoff
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game goes into OT... 😂
Whad
Can I do a shot instead?
Maybe a shot and a dizzy bat lol
I ain’t gonna lie, I really like this. They didn’t totally mess it up. I love the incentive to kick it into the zone and not just kick it into the endzone on a fly.
This is almost exactly what the xfl did for years.
@@Hypnotiq406Exactly. People liked that. It’s been suggested for years
I really hope that this gets approved! I really miss the kick offs, it was the most exciting play to watch every game, because you never know when somebody was going to take a return to the house.
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Or the opposite when someone completely botches the return and it goes the other way.
Deon Sanders aka Coach Prime made a career highlights real off of returning it to the house. I really miss that phase of the game and believe they phase it out for no good reason. NFL PA should have thought about how those rule changes impacted the players' jobs on that side of the field.
those crazy wind games would certainly make this interesting
Oh god, the weather…
I love the new rule proposal. But one change I'd make is onside kicks should be allowed, but the ball must strike the ground in the neutral zone, and players can't move until it hits the ground in the neutral zone. If the ball lands before or after the neutral zone, it's penalty and ball gets placed at the 40.
agreed. or any variation of this
The problem is where the ball is kicked from. It’s not an onside kick at that point. How is the kicker supposed to hit that 5 yard area from 25 yards away? That’s a small target.
@@roems6396 That would be the point. Onside kicks are supposed to be difficult to do.
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Recovering them is difficult. It’s downright impossible to lob a kick 30 yards into a 5 yard window….through a line of your own players. It doesn’t make sense. It would never, ever, be recoverable.
They will figure it out. That's all they do, just about every single day, all day. They'll learn how to drop it within a foot of where needed.
Coach Rizzi was my HC at the University of Rhode Island for 1 season before leaving to coach for the Dolphins, wish they had the transfer portal back then smh but dope to see he's still in the NFL
Truth! I played two years in Illinois then came back home to Colorado and had to sit out a year, never touched a college field again. My bad… still I wish I had these transfer portal rules I needed the busy of football lol
If they want injuries lowered how about instead of ruining kickoffs why don't we just get rid of turf and have every team have the same type of grass. That way all of the fields are the same
YES!!! Say it loud for the rich a**holes hiding in the back!!!
Turf does suck, but it doesn’t cause head injuries.
@edw1n2 getting rid of turf has nothing to do with head injuries. It's about reducing knee and ankle injuries which is the reason they are removing hip drop tackles
@@vernonmatzkeConcussions are the main concern when it comes to kickoff injuries…
@@vernonmatzke I'm saying that kickoffs cause a high rate of head injuries, turf does not cause head injuries. Turf does obviously suck tho
I hate in the nfl how many rules there are on how many players have to be inside the numbers. Or hashes etc, you should be able to have whatever number of players in whatever formation
I want to like this. It's definitely better than the current NFL kickoff setup, but I feel it disincentivizes kickers from doing what they do best: Booting the ball as far as they can down the field.
I think the UFL has the right idea of moving the kickoff back, and not allowing the kicking team to get a running start, but I personally would want the ball teed up at the 25 to prevent more generous field positioning.
But all of this is ignoring the fact that in order to make kickoffs relevant, they have to become valuable. The best way to do that? Take notes from our friends up north, and implement the rouge! I'm dead serious. Kickoff is downed in or goes through the endzone? 1 point for the kicking team, and receiving team gets the ball at the 30. Do the same for punts as well. Incentivize your kickers to score points for your teams in ways other than field goals or PATs.
i agree. Its one of those things where its nice if everything goes great. But those inside the 5 kickoffs/punts are literally highlights. The further the ball moves down the field to start football play is going to turn this into modern NBA type stuff. Just cheap scores all day that pivots on one kick. im ehhhhh here
To hear Pat do a complete 180 on the XFL hybrid kickoff is hilarious. This is why they say media opinions are compromised. When the small league you really don't need to follow does this, it's completely trash. But when the major league adopts the hybrid kickoff, great idea to save the kickoffs.
The problem with not allowing the kicking team to kick deep on the onside attempt means it becomes even harder to recover. Almost impossible, without having to keep those two players deep to cover that ground.
Thanks Coach for putting this together and potentially saving the kickoff!
Pat is the man!!!!
It's amazing how Pat was trashing the XFL kickoff less than a year ago.
Lame, not declaring onside is what makes them work
The current on side odds were 1-31 so it doesn’t matter much as is, and they are not going back.
But they literally haven’t worked. 0/2 last year and on average 4 attempts per year the past 5 years. Chances are you didn’t even watch them live just caught a highlight.
Is what makes them work? You realize the odds of actually completing an onside kick is already extremely low? It's not going to make a difference one bit.
He said only 2 surprise onside kicks were done last year, and they both failed, so I don't think that's true. Onside kicks are almost always done only when it's desperation time because they're unlikely to succeed. The surprise was cool, but it was a bit of a gimmick and it's been so long since I've seen it that I'm not gonna miss it.
Then why have more “declared” onside kicks been recover than “non-declared”
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Oh man I hope they adopt this. It would be fun to watch and adds some real strategy back to the play.
Agreed. And several years of teams trying different blocking / return strategies
Punt returns are more dangerous, when a guy standing still is being hit full speed.
Turnovers are more dangerous when linemen are being lifted off their feet by blindside hits.
You can'take everything safe. Kick offs were extremely dangerous before they changed the rules a few years ago and the way the play is set up makes it a perfect candidate for these types of changes. Those other plays are not suited to these types of changes. Again you can't make every part of a inherently dangerous game safe. Take it where you can get it but for the most part it's just gonna be dangerous
It's like almost a contact sport. All these bs rules are shitting on the game. Rather watch CFL now.
What ? Wtf are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
@@calyn8359 it's a collision sport. It should stay that way. It's for men not p u s s ies
God bless you for trying to do what you can. I see the baby face effort type putting in. I'm behind it
Mistakes are always forgivable, if one has the courage to admit them.
As a Colts fan it is wild to see the Saints push for something that eliminates the surprise onside
Having played bullet man and return man I honestly like this. I feel like the speed at point of impact will be slowed down but you’re still gonna want to return it. This could be a win win just gonna look weird.
For years I’ve been saying the onside kick is the only thing keeping the kickoff from being removed completely. The fact that it gives losing teams a chance to comeback keeps the game interesting and thus keeps people watching. The league clearly wants to get rid of the kickoff but doesn’t want to lose that small chance of comeback and they haven’t come up with a suitable alternative.
100%. Pretty much an impossible situation to navigate, the original kickoff rules are the best for onsides but oh well
Keeps teams in their lane, fewer deviations from the official NFL Script.
Which is strange because the XFL & USFL already had a perfectly good alternative for the onside kick: 4th &12(or 20) from their own 25
It is with words as with sunbeams. The more they are condensed, the deeper they burn.
Kickoff team was my favorite thing in high school, streak down the field at top speed and lay a hit. This doesn’t sound fun. 😅
This is for a safer return and more returns, if you want “fun” join an amateur league with minimal rules
Yeah that is football, i dunno what this is, just start at the 25 or put flags on them and call it a day. Players are going to get hurt regardless, way more non contact injuries are happening now more than ever.
exactly why they change it, u dont want 16 years old in come every other week
in the nfl a vast majority of the times the returner just takes a knee or fair catch, this knew rule is more entertaining for fans because it increases the chance of returning the ball, its also safer since you actually block
Do you want it to be safer, or do you want to see more returns? I see a contradiction here. I’m not saying they can’t make rules to try to improve it, but I don’t think this is it.
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Sounds like hard linedrive squib kicks are the play then. Hit in the landing zone hard and skip it into the end zone make it hard for the returners to pick it up clean
I miss the old run up kickoff, Ya ya Concussions and all that I get it but I still miss the excitement.
Same ...kickoffs weak now
@@Roadrunner0077whole game weak now
Nothing says excitement like touchback after touchback after touchback 🤡 this version is SO much better
@@alexhurley7261the old run up kick offs didn't have many touchbacks because the kicker started further back. When they changed the rules a few years ago they moved the kicker up to make touchbacks easier and the moved the touchback starting field position at the 25 instead of the 20 to encourage the return team to not return it. Those two reasons are why there are almost no returns at all anymore
I have a proposal to offset the loss of the surprise onside kick. When a team declares an onside kick, both of their returners (last two players back) are not allowed to recover it. So this way the kicking team has a fighting chance to get the ball
This could be awesome! ❤
I don't hate it. It isn't a "Kickoff", it's never going to be a "kickoff", but the NFL just isn't gonna let us have the OG Kickoff, so it is what it is. As far as alternatives go, I don't hate this, it isn't a pointless waste of time like they reduced the kickoff to the past few years, there's real opportunity for some teams to really screw this up and other teams to really make something happen which his a positive, ST coaches are going to be busy with this which is a positive, and the ST skill position players are gonna have to be on their game(this is a brutal change in rules for kickers lmao) which is awesome. I'm not gonna say that I want this in place of the OG kickoff, but they could do worse than this at least, I'm legitimately interested in seeing how this plays out this year. Only thing really lame is the 'neutral zone', that's kinda dumb, but other than that lets see it.
They're trying to reinvent the wheel...how convoluted do they want to make it?
Either go back to the '90s rules, or eliminate the kickoff completely.
Why is everyone super worried and concerned for Hamstring injuries? Its football! A game built on quick 3-10 sec bursts or power and speed! Its apart of the game! If theyre concerned about hamstring injuries, then maybe reassess your strength and coordination approaches. Next thing: penalty for running 100% and potentially hurting your hamstring.
These guys are pro athletes. Injuries happen. They are paid and compensated well. Geez. Let them play!
this sounds complicated asf lol
And shorter drives don't seem fun
Kicking it dead was boring as he'll and super predictable. This makes your special teams actually do something rather than run a 50yd warm up sprint
Pretty simple actually.
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I'm excited to see this bring back the kickoff return. The only part I think could use a rework pending how it goes next year. I don't think the onsides needs to be a penalty/announcement situation. I think it would bring back some of the creativity and surprise element to simply change the rule to allow but disincentivize the traditional formation, but still allow it. Namely, add the rule that anything touched back off a traditional formation after the +40 yard line is moved to the 40. This would allow a squib kick, if you don't mind giving up a 40 yard start. It would allow the long onsides, plus an endless number of other creative ideas with a high risk.
This made him feel like an old-style rootbeer float smells.
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Watching someone return a kick was always awesome and really a GameChanger sometimes so this would be great
Maybe instead of changing the kickoff in any way, the players should wear increased protection (e.g. special helmets) on a kickoff play.
Taking surprise onsides kicks out of the game is exactly what I saw.
observations: penalty on coverage team for moving, a line drive one hop kick could be huge play, endzone play on kicks wow, hands team will be critical, thumb guys better get some gloves lol wow this is new feels fun
This sounds like a cool idea. Assuming it passes I am looking forward to seeing how teams adjust and which teams figure out early ways to get substantial gains.
no wonder the refs can't figure out the rules. it's amazing how much they're trying to do instead of simply putting real grass into their stadiums.
They still need to fix the onside kick and make it a viable play. At least 10-25% (depending on how good special teams and coaching is) should be working. Like 3% or something pityful are successful now.
I think we will see teams that are up multiple scores late try to place kicks in the back of the endzone to try to draw the 20 yd touch backs. If it goes out on the fly it ends at the 35 anyway so there's not much risk in that plan.
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I love the idea, but the red guys on the 35 who have to be lined up on the 35 but have to also watch to see when the ball hits the ground 20 yards behind them and then snap around and start blocking which seems rough
I like this proposal. I hope we see it next year.
How is the return team supposed to know when the ball hits something? They are facing the other way... Are they just supposed to rely on watching the kicking team?
Is it just me or does this heavily favor a good return with an average to the 27(?) with good chance for more plus the possibility of a house call? Wouldn't that scare every kicking team and they force touchbacks again?
Makes the kicking team needing to improve, stay focus and pull off a Perfect play all of the time, or be punished
Now kickers will kick line drives to try and get the bounce into endzone. No need for airtime now.
Sounds extremely hard. Squib kicks are a thing already and they normally don't make it to the 20. The shape of the ball prevents this from being a problem for anyone but the goat elite kickers
They’re going to have to eventually change the onside kick rule. Without the ability to kick it deep and or behind the players you’re essentially making it impossible to recover an onside. The receiving team now has nothing else to worry about other than simply recovering the ball within the 25yd area.
The one thing I don't like is that there's a punishment for having a big leg. I'd move the kickoff spot back 5 yards, but then an "on the fly" touchback only comes out to the 20, basically the biggest legs in the league should be an asset instead of a penalty.
Bottom-line: increase the on-field product - the display of strategy and athleticism by the players & coaches. So increase returns, surprises, onsides recoveries and options for both kicking team AND recovering team to utilize. Why not give the kicking team 2 or more options of where to kick it from? Same with returning.
I think we should just eliminate all dangerous stuff from football and make it one hand touch but you can't run at full speed. You can only jog
Can't forget every player has to be wrapped in bubble wrap as well.
I know. You might get hurt and injury your hamstring. What a joke this game is at times
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Blocking and tackling makes football dangerous, so the solution is a no-brainer. Just ban blocking and tackling. The proposal to ban fast running is interesting.
Have to speed walk one foot must be on the ground at all times
Why not make it a fun mini game? The kicker gets an unobstructed try from 60 yards out, if they make it opposing team starts on the 20, if they miss opposing team gets it on the 30.
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The only thing they need to fix in this, is the ability for the kickoff/return teams to run once the ball is kicked.
That stagnation, between kick and movement, makes this play feel off. They just need to move the starting position to the 50, instead of the +40, in order for movement to begin once the ball is officially kicked.
I like everything except the 35-yard touchback and the "No Surprise Onside Kicks." Surprise onside kicks are fun, and a 35-yard touchback because the kicker has a leg the size of a freight train is ridiculous.
I’m pretty pissed because this whole rule change takes out the element of surprise! The Saints kicked an onside kick to start the second half in the Super Bowl!! If they didn’t recover that, total momentum swing. Basically my same argument for not moving the PAT line back to where it currently is. Takes out the possibility of catching your opponent sleeping
Sounds interesting will have be curious to see it in action
Trying to get rid of all injuries brought the sport here.
they should put in a rule that if the kicker lands the ball inside the 1 yard line but the ball stays in the field of play the ball in placed on the one so kickers can still pin a team back on the one.
Wild! I Like it
Green Bay was already turning out to look like one of the best teams in the nfc. Now they are looking like a real Super Bowl contender since teams will now have to actually kick the ball back to, back to back, 2x 1st team all pro Keisean Nixon. That dude is awesome to watch in the return game
I think this is wayyyy beter than what weve been watching and getting from the Nfl. Kick returners used to be a big part of the team and important players. Guys used to build careers off kick returns guys like Devin hester, Dante hall, Allen Rossum, Mel Gray, Josh Cribbs, Eric Metcalf, Cordell Patterson, Desmond Howard (returned 2 in a super bowl game and became a Superbowl MVP). These guys could change a game with one kick return. the past few seasons Kick offs have been non existent. Something needs to be done to make it relevant again. Other wise whats the point. Im glad the Nfl is trying to do something instead of just cutting it out all together. I hope this does something to make it a important play and important position again.
The only thing I would add is a kick through the uprights is a touchback to the 10yd line, that could really punish the unsportsmanlike penalties after TDs & FGs. And if you have an absolute weapon like Justin Tucker you can risk some monster kick offs in tight games for 25 yds of field position
There is something not addressed which I think is quite important: it doesn’t happen often but what happens when it is so windy that the ball keeps falling off the stand? This happens every now and then and someone usually comes to hold it. But since all members of the kicking team must be at the neutral zone, what is the solution if this happens?
This does bring it to be actual competitive kickoffs
No mention of whether the receiving team has any option other than taking the ball on the 40 in case of a kick out of bounds. A team with a late lead might very well want to kick out of bounds deliberately to prevent any chance of a runback. The free kick rules have always allowed an enforcement option to prevent such a deliberate foul.
I think they should redo the onside kicks.
Maybe make it into a scrum. Put both teams on the line of scrimmage. Both teams can't move until the ball is kicked and force the kicker to kick it within 10 yards of the line.
You still give a massive advantage to the receiving team but having everybody close prevents some injuries and gives the opportunity for a team to retrieve it.
I like the idea of shortening the field and making the kicker kick the ball inbounds. However, don't split the kicker and the kicking team 30 yards apart. Just place the ball on the 50 with everyone. That way you could always threaten an onside kick.
ironic that a coach from the team with the most iconic surprise onside kick of all time proposes a new kick rule that eliminates the surprise onside kick. still, i like this idea.
This is why i dont watch much NFL. I just watch through Pat. When do we start the Mississippi counting before being able to rush the qb 😂.
Anyone who watched the xfl knows this is an extremely fun way to do kickoffs
It’s too complicated and having no surprises sucks
What, compared to the predictable 'kick it out of bounds' scenario? What was so surprising about that?
I like it use guards and tackles and make a crazy blocking line
This is going to add a lot of excitement back into the kickoff. Layely its been a snooze fest.
The most exciting play in the NFL is a pick-six. Second-most is a kick return and it’s very close. Gotta keep that in the game. This helps with that. Good idea, well executed. Do it and don’t look back.
Even in high school we kick the ball to the end ozne if you have the right kicker. But kick off for me was my favorite thing to do in football. Oh play DB.
Do the receiving teams blockers gotta turn around and watch the ball until it touches something and then turn back to block? Don’t know how I feel. The onside needs to be replaced completely.
Does the team have to declare if they are going to run or pass?
I swear to god, just make it a punt situation. Eliminates onside kicks with real football plays and replaces kickoffs with it's more fun alternative
*Onside kick idea:*
_"If kickoff doesn't go to the landing zone or goes out of bounds it goes to the 40 _*_unless recovered by the kicking team_*_ "_
In my head I'm thinking of the kicker trying to land the ball between the 30 and 20 with enough spin for the bounce to give the kicking team a chance of recovering it. Might need a pretty tall tee!
I like this with one exception. Move onside kicks to be kicked from the 50. This gives an extra reward for completing one successfully.
The only thing I wish was different was allowing surprise onside kicks
My only hope is that they do not ban hip drop tackles
So would the game clock start when the returner catches the ball? Or would it start when the returner carries the ball out of the landing zone?
Also, we still see a decent amount of squib kicks at the end of the halves and in games where the field conditions are too poor to get good footing… Depending on how you kick it, it’s a good clock management strategy that’s now gone. What were the safety issues with squib kicks?
One more thing… if there’s a scoring drive and the defense commits unsportsmanlike conduct after the play, usually the scoring team will accept a 15-yard penalty and it counts toward the ensuing kickoff. If the kicker kicks off from the 50, where’s the advantage for better defensive field position when touchbacks on the fly are an automatic spot on the 35 yard line?
Instead of implementing a complicated kickoff, they should just change the configuration/formation of the kickoff to be more like a long field goal/punt, where the offense and defense are at the line of scrimmage, the ball is snapped, held, kicked like a field goal try, except it's kicked to a return man, and covered like a punt. This would eliminate the high speed collisions in the kickoff but not make it look like an XFL game. This would also also for some very interesting onside kick options where the ball is pooched and there's more options for the offense to recover.
It's a collision sport you doofus
They’re never going to allow anything this complex but I like it….
This ain't far off from a punt. I still say do punt formation from the 50 yard line. 4th and 10 or 20 and you can take a shot to keep the ball.
I think South Park did an episode on this. I think it was the one where the players wore bras and held ballons.
the only thing i don't like is the 35 yard line if you kick it on the fly touch back, seems like too much of a punishment IMO.
This is good as everyone was sick of kickers just launching it over the end zone. Boring. Now, the kicker actually has to kick the ball well and place it in that kicking area.
Lol. Maybe we can add a couple of rodeo clowns, a chicken,a super soaker, and a balloon to the field. Then we have a guy with an air horn that runs up and down the neutral zone while using said air horn. Once the ball is kicked, the rodeo clowns have to capture the chicken by using the supersoaker and the balloon BEFORE anyone can attempt to tackle the returner. You get your returns and scoring. Win, win. Lol
Teams have the entirety of four quarters to win a game, so therefore teams should be able to do an onside kick whenever they want to. It's also an option for a team to be able to win by a lot of points. I care about player safety, but to get rid of the kickoff, and/or to greatly alter it, would make football more like baseball, where they normally have only nine turns to win. Football is supposed to be more like tennis, where you can score on a serve, and in football, you can score on a kickoff (or at least get the ball back). Also, maybe instead of changing the kickoff in any way, the players should wear increased protection (e.g. special helmets) on a kickoff play.
Special helmets? Just stop
Football is not like tennis. That's just re tar ded
@@user-hs4ih8zp7e Don't you understand sports by now? Don't you know by now that at least most sports are related to each other? I was only making good points, e.g. the football kickoff is to football, as a pitch is to baseball, as a serve is to tennis/volleyball, etc. If someone as disrespectful as you are makes predictions for every game of the football season, I bet your winning percentage at the end of the season is never above 20%. Good luck to you, though.
They NEED to bring back the kickoff. Its apart of the fuckin game!
This sounds amazing trading 1,600 boring ass kickoffs and 4 maybe cool suprise ones for 1,600 Potentially game changing plays!
There is a much more elegant solution.
Instead of having these convoluted gimmicky rules and then an entirely separate set of onside kick rules, simply reduce the onside kick distance to something less than 10 yards.
Make the precise distance short enough to where the kicking team is incentivized to attempt many more (surprise) onside kicks, but not so much that it’s an automatic recovery, say in the neighborhood of 25%.
Then, you’d have a lot fewer touchbacks, many more returns, and you preserve the surprise onside without the need for two different formations/rules.
Indeed Canadian rules required the ball to go only 5 yards until some time in the 1950s.