Atheists DEBUNK Scientific Claim from the Quran
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- The Quran | Scientific claim by Muslim Apologist Hassanain Rajabali DEBUNKED by Atheists Dan Barker and Richard Carrier
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This is what happens when you only read one book and never question it.
How'd the prophet pbuh know if he couldn't read or write? And when did the prophet have any connection or knowledge to Thales being in the middle of the desert?
And what about him claiming in the Qur'an that the universe was expanding?
Here's Thales primary principal:
The problem of the nature of matter, and its transformation into the myriad things of which the universe is made, engaged the natural philosophers, commencing with Thales. For his hypothesis to be credible, it was essential that he could explain how all things could come into being from water, and return ultimately to the originating material. It is inherent in Thales’s hypotheses that water had the potentiality to change to the myriad things of which the universe is made, the botanical, physiological, meteorological and geological states. In Timaeus, 49B-C, Plato had Timaeus relate a cyclic process. The passage commences with ‘that which we now call “water” ‘, and describes a theory which was possibly that of Thales. Thales would have recognized evaporation, and have been familiar with traditional views, such as the nutritive capacity of mist and ancient theories about spontaneous generation, phenomena which he may have ‘observed’, just as Aristotle believed he, himself had (Hist. An. 569 b1; Gen. An. 762 a9-763 a34), and about which Diodorus Siculus (I.7.3-5; 1.10.6), Epicurus (ap. Censorinus, D.N. IV.9), Lucretius (De Rerum Natura , V.783-808) and Ovid (Met. I.416-437) wrote.
When Aristotle reported Thales’s pronouncement that the primary principle is water, he made a precise statement: ‘Thales says that it [the nature of things] is water’ (Metaph. 983 b20), but he became tentative when he proposed reasons which might have justified Thales’s decision: ‘[Thales’s] supposition may have arisen from observation . . . ‘ (Metaph. 983 b22). It was Aristotle’s opinion that Thales may have observed, ‘that the nurture of all creatures is moist, and that warmth itself is generated from moisture and lives by it; and that from which all things come to be is their first principle’ (Metaph. 983 b23-25). Then, in the lines 983 b26-27, Aristotle’s tone changed towards greater confidence. He declared: ‘Besides this, another reason for the supposition would be that the semina of all things have a moist nature . . . ‘ (Metaph. 983 b26-27). In continuing the criticism of Thales, Aristotle wrote: ‘That from which all things come to be is their first principle’ (Metaph. 983 b25).
Simple metallurgy had been practised long before Thales presented his hypotheses, so Thales knew that heat could return metals to a liquid state. Water exhibits sensible changes more obviously than any of the other so-called elements, and can readily be observed in the three states of liquid, vapour and ice. The understanding that water could generate into earth is basic to Thales’s watery thesis. At Miletus it could readily be observed that water had the capacity to thicken into earth. Miletus stood on the Gulf of Lade through which the Maeander river emptied its waters. Within living memory, older Milesians had witnessed the island of Lade increasing in size within the Gulf, and the river banks encroaching into the river to such an extent that at Priene, across the gulf from Miletus the warehouses had to be rebuilt closer to the water’s edge. The ruins of the once prosperous city-port of Miletus are now ten kilometres distant from the coast and the Island of Lade now forms part of a rich agricultural plain. There would have been opportunity to observe other areas where earth generated from water, for example, the deltas of the Halys, the Ister, about which Hesiod wrote (Theogony, 341), now called the Danube, the Tigris-Euphrates, and almost certainly the Nile. This coming-into-being of land would have provided substantiation of Thales’s doctrine. To Thales water held the potentialities for the nourishment and generation of the entire cosmos. Aëtius attributed to Thales the concept that ‘even the very fire of the sun and the stars, and indeed the cosmos itself is nourished by evaporation of the waters’ (Aëtius, Placita, I.3).
It is not known how Thales explained his watery thesis, but Aristotle believed that the reasons he proposed were probably the persuasive factors in Thales’s considerations. Thales gave no role to the Olympian gods. Belief in generation of earth from water was not proven to be wrong until A.D. 1769 following experiments of Antoine Lavoisier, and spontaneous generation was not disproved until the nineteenth century as a result of the work of Louis Pasteur.
So this man GUESSED based of the fact that things can be liquefied and animals needing water and he didn't even say that every living thing is made from water. He said that the nature of things is water FROM A PHILOSOPHER PERSPECTIVE
To Thales water held the potentialities for the nourishment and generation of the entire cosmos. Aëtius attributed to Thales the concept that ‘even the very fire of the sun and the stars, and indeed the cosmos itself is nourished by evaporation of the waters’
So my man said fire is made from water too
Oh also this man has claimed that earth is floating because he saw ships were floating and continued thinking that earth is a boat and that there could be a substance (rocks) lighter than water under the earth, very scientific stuff. that's very scientific don't you think?
As a matter of fact here's the article about him continuing his own none proofed philosophy about earthquakes:
Thales’s theory about the cause of earthquakes is consistent with his hypothesis that earth floats upon water. It seems that he applied his floating on water simile to the natural phenomena of earthquakes. Aëtius recorded that Thales and Democritus found in water the cause of earthquakes (Aët. III.15), and Seneca attributed to Thales a theory that on the occasions when the earth is said to quake it is fluctuating because of the roughness of oceans (QNat. III.14; 6.6). Although the theory is wrong, Thales’s hypothesis is rational because it provides an explanation which does not invoke hidden entities. It is an advance upon the traditional Homeric view that they resulted from an angry supernatural god, Poseidon, shaking the earth through his rapid striding.
So this guy tried to evade Greek gods so much, he believed even earthquakes are the result of earth being a lil sturdy on the waves of the ocean.
And the funny thing is that even if prophet Muhammad pbuh was copying from him WHY DIDN'T HE COPY THIS?
AS A MATTER OF FACT HE MENTIONED THAT THE EARTH IS STABLED BY MOUNTAINS BEING STAKES.
Don't get me wrong this man had some good stuff like the theory of earth being spherical:
As in his, experiment:
From the shore, a ship can be seen to be descending, gradually, below the horizon, with the hull disappearing from view first, to be followed by masts and sails. If one had a companion observing from a higher point, the companion would see the ship for a long period before it disappeared from view.
But that doesn't mean he's right about everything aye?
And btw THE PROPHET PBUH ACTUALLY PROPHESIZED THAT FROM THE SIGNS OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT THERE'D BE NEW DISEASES PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE.
Don't ask the book for answers to everything, next up you're going to ask where's Newton's law in the Qur'an
By the words of zakir nike: THIS IS THE BOOK OF SIGNS, NOT SCIENCE
Y'all really need to try harder than that so that we could sit you down for millionth time
Sadly Allan, i questioned it and i got a answered
It's you guys who did not even research the validity of this (⌐■-■) looking man
Haahaa the aethist questioned his argument that fact was discovered 1400 years ago and was rather known at 2500 years ago. They are questioning each other, but both agree with the fact as mentioned in the Quran.
@@w.k8624 what a idiot. It means if I say something which is mentioned in that book and I haven’t read it before I am a prophet. ???😅
@@w.k8624 Isn't it also mentioned that earth is flat?
And the ones actually making sense receive little to no applause, interesting...
That’s because people only listen to what they want to hear. Whatever aligns with their agenda.
@@scottgarvie7694
Truth!!!
BC they dont wanna Change theire Minds in anything
Muslims will come now and say but WE have so much truth i na book you have to interpretated otherwise IT Makes No Sense you dont want to believe Something Else!!!
Idk that whole Things reminds me of Aron ra vs Mohammed i think
Mohammed claimed the whole debate Atheist want to Life in a virtually reality and hate every other human beeing
Because the first guy did make sense and the guys after are committing the fallacy of "post hoc". Just because some guy before Muhammad pbuh made a claim doesn't mean the Quran copied it.
@@dontonny2355 The quran still has millions of cientifical innacuracies, so even cherry picking this specific argument and giving it the benefit of the doubt that MAYBE the quran knew without ever borrowing it from other societies, you still have to answer the thousands of cientifical innacuracies like why a holy book says something like "the mountains prevent the world from shaking" when in reality it's the movement (or shaking) of the tectonic plates that make mountains in the first place.
Indians, greeks, egyptians, chinese, all ancient civilization know life originated from water.
Not FROM water either, IN water. Life originated from aminoacids and other organic materials that were present in water around some source of energy. Probably volcanic chimneys deep in the ocean.
How does, “Life originating from water”, in the qur’an debunk Islam??
@@command3rcodybrickfilms266 very simple: it's wrong
@@command3rcodybrickfilms266Because Quran states prophet Mohammad prophesied that every life came out of water which means he was the first person to do so but actually people already knew life came out of water except arabs obviously. They were the stupid lots in human civilization.
@@command3rcodybrickfilms266 it isn't "debunking" islam, but it debunks the idea that the Prophet "discovered" that life originated from water
Moral of the Story: _it is important to read more than _*_one book_*_ in your life and to always _*_question_*_ what you are reading_
There you go your moral
Thales thought that ALL things were made of water. But the Quran states that LIVING things are made of water, not ALL things.
If the Quran had repeated that, the Quran would both be wrong, and open to accusations of being influenced by human thought.
But the Quran does not repeat Thales� claim either word for word or in meaning. The Quran, rather, says that all living things are made of water. This is both correct and different than what Thales claimed.
When the Quran states that all living things are made from water, the unbelievers feel pressured to explain away this miracle of the Quran.
One of their arguments is to argue that the Quran is copying knowledge that was already known, such as copying a Greek philosopher such as Thales.
Thales states that water transforms into earth.
Wikipedia states, �Thales applied his method to objects that changed to become other objects, such as water into earth�.�
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales
The Quran does not repeat this error.
Thales believed that the world floated on water and that earthquakes were from waves.
The Quran does not state that.
If the Quran was copying Greek philosophers, the Quran would have contained that, or at least something of what they were saying. But the Quran does not do that.
Thales thought that all matter was living things. The belief that all matter is alive is called, �Hylozoism.� He goes so far as to say that magnets show life because of their ability to attract.
The Quran does not state that magnets are alive, evinced by their ability to attract metals. The Quran makes it clear that regular matter is lifeless
If the Quran was copying Thales, it could have copied that. Rather, it rejected that.
Thales thought that amber and lodestone must be alive because when rubbed together, they can attract objects.
The Quran does not make that error.
Thales thought that because all matter was alive, that there is no difference between the living and the dead.
For Thales, �there could be no difference between the living and the dead.�
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales
The Quran, on the other hand, makes a sharp distinction between the living and the dead, stating that God can bring the living out of the dead (implying that they are two different things.)
We know today that living things are made of the stuff of non-living matter, but as Thales� beliefs show, such an idea was not obvious in the ancient times.
Let�s look at some other Greek philosophers to see if the Quran was copying them.
You are doing the same thing. thales didn't say that he is lying. You didn't investigate . You watched a short video and you were cheering just like they did.
@Ossama161 Who is cheering? You're setting a stawman because I've not proclaimed support or a lack thereof for the atheist claim. But regardless, it's beneficial to absorb from many resources without hierarchical preference ... Independent of what you want to be true.
@@wiseyoutube2078 yes you did. You said mocking the Muslims that we only read one book in our life. That means you support the atheist meaning you believe he said the truth without making sure.
"One of the ideas that Thales is best known for is his philosophy about the importance of water. He believed that the principle of everything was water." He didn't think everything living thing was made out of water he thought everything was water, the atheist is lying.
Muslim: muhammad said that life came from water.
atheist: Thales said that thousand years before mohammed
Muslim: Subhanallah! Thales is a muslim!!!
So tell me how the prophet could have known this information even if Thales knew it first. the guy in the video already said its a belief that was not common so why would someone that claims to have received Devine revelation chose something so obscure instead of something well known and verifiable at the time. And then The prophet was an Illiterate man. So he couldn’t have even read any study from Thales to have known this.
Muhammad probably had no hand in the creation of Islam. Islam was most probably put together years after his death by Muslim rulers, the first caliphs for political and economic power. This was later codified by their mullahs into a religion.
True
"The first philosophers followed him in explaining all of nature as based on the existence of a single ultimate substance. Thales theorized that this single substance was water. Thales thought the Earth floated in water."
Thales thought all nature was based on water, the Quran says:
Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe? [Quran 21.30]
Thales is wrong, the Quran says every living thing (trees, bacteria, everything that essentially has cells which are made out of water). Quran is right in this statement, but Thales is wrong. Also you can clearly read the big bang theory out of the Verse.
Also why didnt Muhammad say that the earth floats on water if he copied Thales? So Muhammad who couldnt read or write copied a greek? But he copied him by correcting him? and only taking one thing, but did not copy the rest?
@@pantherapixels Muhammad didn't read or write but he could have heard it.Whether he copied the rest or not is irrelevant because by that time understanding may have already been more advanced, newer thinkers may have built on the basic understanding of Thales.
I'm neither an Atheist nor a Muslim, but this was satisfying to watch.
Fellow agnostic soul?
@@vincentwhite890 No, a devout evangelical, but have approached agnosticism in the past. C.S. Lewis's "Surprised by Joy" got me out of that funk.
This was manufactured content. You heard Thale’s view was not the main view of Greek Cosmology. You need to ask yourself how many other wrong views Thales had as well proving he wasn’t a prophet. The actual prophet, Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him) received revelation that was 100% true. That’s what makes it divine. No human (other than prophets) EVER ANYWHERE predicted with 100% accuracy, EVER!
I invite you to the truth. Accept the One True God Allah and His Messenger Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him)
@@alphauno6614 are you fuckin' nuts? Or are you just existing in some other timeline? The point made by muslim apologetic was no human being could've or had made any claims of life originating from water before muhammad did, but the other guy countered by telling him that a greek guy name Thales had already stated that and without claiming it to be some divine revelation, though it wasn't a generic view, during his time and he had existed 1100 years before muhammad, so what makes muhammad so special, he just paraphrased Thales's notion which was supposedly unknown to mankind before muhammad taught them.
Ofcourse, indeed you are the one's who betrayed god and jesus (isa)pbuh.
Perfect example of how the religious argue from the point of ignorance.
Thales said "All things come from water and all are resolved into water." he never said all living things come from water. this short is full of lies and misrepresentation. and the second atheist said "If you throw enough spaghetti against the wall, some of it's going to stick. you're going to find something that looks prophetic and you gonna go waw, looks at what he said........"
in Islam, you will never discover an unscientific fact. Thales said all things come from water how could Mohammed (sal) specifically said all living things come from water ??
We know, that so many dogmatic beliefs existed back in the life time of the prophet which still exist. How could a man know that this information is true?
Islam, like all religions, is based on nothing but ignorance, fear, hatred and delusional beliefs.
@@ronydidar9220 Muslims: in Islam, you will never discover an unscientific fact.
Also muslims: the Qur'an 71:19 says: "And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)" and I believe it
The people here in the comments are so stupid to think those 2 guys really debunked anything besides my believe that every human has a brain.
1. guy: No Tales never said that every living thing is made of water, he said that exclusively EVERYTHING is made out of water. Including stones houses etc., big difference because the claim in the Quran is true, Tales theory not. And even if he didn't lie to make a piss poor attempt at proving something wrong, he himself says that it is no common believe. So prophet Muhammed (pbuh) should have learned Ancient Greek (where there is absolutely 0 evidence for) and between every theory that was going around he miraculously picked the one that nobody really gave much attention to and it ended up being right? Yeah buddy makes sense. Especially regarding the fact that Tales never said it accordingly.
The next guys attempt might be even weaker which is really astounding here:
Muslims never ever claimed that the Quran have flaws but some miracles in it, so the comparison between the spaghetti sticking to the wall makes no sense, because we claim that EVERYTHING every single word in the Quran is the truth, and there are also a lot of not explainable miracles besides god being the one that really wrote the Quran and not some illiterate man 1500 years ago. Our claim is that EVERY single piece of spaghetti stocked to the wall, no matter how far away or from which angle he threw it, and if you throw a million spaghettis at the wall in the most unthinkable angles and what not and not even a single one doesn't stick to the wall, that is the appropriate comparison.
And if you wonder what other miracles I am talking about, the prediction of the Roman victory, the explanation of the tectonic plates, structure of the see, that every planet has its own orbit..... there a whole lot of miracles that would be a crazy prediction (most of them we just found out) if it was only of them, but all of them, and without a SINGLE flaw, that is the miracle, and if you are sincere just look it up.
And besides all of that, the Quran isn't a book about predictions, it is just a guideline to the ones worshipping the one true god, Allah (swt) makes no mistakes and that the few predictions (no matter how close to 0 the possibility was that a normal man would know it back 1500 years) are just a side effect of that. That's why the last argument of this video is the absolute worst, why would Allah only talk about the cure of diseases, because you think he should? What is the logic in giving all of humanity the cure for every single disease, if you could make them free from diseases without any effort because you are omnipotent anyways? This life is just a test.
All of this is just basic knowledge that most Muslims have, the only thing I needed to research is Thales claim, and it took a whole 10 seconds to find out that this guy just changed facts to his likings so he could stand there like he has superior knowledge because this isn't something the average human knows, what a sucker punch. And for you all who commented, the likes don't make your comments the truth. Talking about truth, people said that it doesn't take a genius to debunk Islam in the comments, so if you give me one single true contradiction in the Quran, I will leave Islam rn, that's the amount of faith I have in this religion, because I also believe that everyone who is SINCERELY looking for the truth will end up with Islam, there is no way around it.
May Allah guide us all, Amin
“If you throw enough spaghetti against the wall, some of it is going to stick”
Bro really roasted every religious text ever
Evolution doesn’t stick, unless you can point me to where I can observe something come from nothing or even one “kind” of species change into or reproduce a different “kind”?
Also conservation of mass & entropy are bound by time, matter, space as well as energy so them being laws forfeits the theory by default
By neglecting the main part of the argument?
Ok bro,what about not a single scientific error?
Plot twist: Muhammad can't read and write, so how does he know that, if someone tells him about it then the only way to prove it is by using the Mathematics of the Quran, the mathematics in the Quran is proof that the content of the Qur'an is not made by man, because in a study it proved impossible to make by man.
@@abidthalangara5462Thales said: everything=made from water
Qur'an says: every living this is made of water
What are cells made of.
It doesn't surprise me that ancient men living in a desert believed water was very important to life
Because it was a lie Thales doesn't believe that tbh if you read about him dont blindly follow some atheist geeks. 😅
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section Thales said that all things are water not all things were created from water so .... AND also YOU KNOW THAT THE VERSE SAYS MORE SCIENTIFIC THINGS THAN THAT
Exactly 😂
it surprises me that oxygen without one can't survive for some minutes, wasn't taken as argument of life rather than water. And here he is talking about origination of life. He could equally say that life is balanced or sustained by water but he say life is originated by water.
yeah, and he had astrophysical science from somewhere.. 🤔😉
Islam enters the head, Brain jumps out of it....😂
Gobercchap knowledge 😂😂
@@tamim7534 salland ahu lulleh laudassalam🐷
@@neerajchauhan9248 hag hag chuadev
@@tamim7534 lulaah bola rasgulla se- jaa 6 saal ki Nayesha ki booooooooor Chaq de fatteeeeeee.......🐷🎂🎉💩
😂 bhai bhai
Muslims are still not recovered after that punchline.
"One of the ideas that Thales is best known for is his philosophy about the importance of water. He believed that the principle of everything was water." He didn't think everything living thing was made out of water he thought everything was water, the atheist is lying.
Search it up yourself
Punchline? 😂 This is very easy to refute.
because muslims were never effected by it
Random guy 2,500 years ago said water is living everywhere. Allah 1,400 years ago said water is made out of every living thing, will they not believe? But guess what? Allah has left his holy book and it’s still the same book with not a single letter has changed, what did Thales leave? His bones? Please get educated.
The Muslim dude had a very interesting combination of ignorance and confidence. 😂😂 He was so sure of his statement and then got completely owned
Yeah but how does the prophet, a man who didn't do any studies, didn't how to read or write until he was 40, knew that Thales was right. There is like hundreds of scienticfical truth in Qu'ran and somehow he picked only the one that were right? For exemple : Pythagoras did know that the Earth was round but he also thought that the Earth was the center of the universe.
@@nacklesk saying that life originated from water is not entirely accurate and incomplete. We are carbon based life forms, if he wanted to be an actual prophet. Maybe he would have mentioned that
The information is solid and authentic.
It's not about it wasn't mentioned or not by a Greek guy ..
@@alotaibymuhammad that’s exactly what it’s about. I can recite ideas that were not created by myself and were formulated by someone else and not call myself a prophet. How much compartmentalization do you do to your brain to believe in this horseshit? Grow up, open your eyes.
Dude be learning everything from bible he thinks that bible has everything that google doesn’t 😂
Islamic science: Searching the Quran for verses to re-interpret so that they can pretend they knew it already.
So true.
Yep be careful bro they are gonna bark in the reply section with their logic less logic facts.
Damn you guys are so rude, why can’t we all just be friends, I’m pretty sure that it’s said like that in the Quran. Reinterpretation is definitely an issue. But if you want the full truth you could try to understand the language itself, which I’m pretty sure none of you guys will. Never mind that anyways, the only thing that pisses me off is when someone disrespects my religion. And when I try proving it they get mad. Surely the same thing would happen to you if someone disrespected your religion
Tell me if this was logic less or not ok?
@@CheeseburgerEnjoyer I'm already used to it NGL there isn't any religion as disrespected as mine. Your community is the main bully which disrespects mine.
Religious people hate it when facts get in the way.
❌🤦♂️This is a lie. Thales did not say that all living creatures were created from water. Rather, he said that the origin of the entire universe, from planets, galaxies, stars, etc., was from water, and this is a scientific error. Diogenees Laërtius says about Thales: “His doctrine was that water is the universal primary substance.”
✅ On the other hand, the Qur'an contradicts this scientifically wrong view of Thales and says:
" *Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe* ?"
The Qur’an states that every (living thing) is created from water, and not the entire universe, as Thales and Greek philosophers like Anaximander and all ancient civilization said.
And the saying of the Qur’an is a scientific fact that has been discovered only in our time.
💠The Jewish physicist *Schroeder* testifies to this when he said: " *All life on Earth is water based. No water, no life, but with water, life was possible* ."
💠Even the famous atheist Richard Dawkins testified to this fact.
We also note that the Qur’an explicitly refers to the heavens and the earth as one entity, which is in clear agreement with the basis of the Big Bang theory that we discovered only in this era. 🌍🌌
What is more surprising is that the Qur’an did not just mention that, but added that in the early stages of the creation of the universe there was smoke:
[ *Then he directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke* and said to it and to the earth,” Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion They said, "We have come willingly” ]
This contradicts the belief prevailing in many ancient nations that the origin of the universe is water🌊. It is the ancient Egyptian conception and the civilizations of Mesopotamia and the ancient Greeks, and it is also the conception adopted by the Christians in (2 Peter 3:5):
“ *the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water* .”
🔺And what the Qur’an came with here is amazing, not only because it contradicts the culture of the time, but because it goes in a complete opposite to that culture.
💠The famous atheist physicist Stephen Hawking said: “ *You could say that we are made of the smoke of the big bang* .”
💠The astronomers working at the Herschel Space Observatory said: “A cosmic dust consist of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. *It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke* .”
🔸So, please tell me, how did an illiterate man in an ignorant desert environment that knows neither reading nor writing nor science learned these scientific facts?
To clarify, my belief as a Muslim is not based only on one scientific fact that exists here or there in the Qur’an, but is based first on the truthfulness of the content of the Qur’an from the pure monotheism of God, consistent with reason and sound logic, which is not found in any other religious book.
And I also believed because of the continuous and unequivocal historical testimonies of the sincerity of the Messenger of Islam, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace. And on the doctrinal, moral and Sharia facts that regulate our lives to the fullest.
📚 And on the rhetorical miracle of the Qur’an, the Qur’an challenges people to produce even a small surah similar to the Qur’an, and this challenge persists to this day:
“ *And if you are in doubt about what we have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sûrah like it and call your helpers other than Allah
But if you are unable to do so-and you will never be able to do so-then fear the Fire fueled with people and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers* ”
I also believed in the message of Islam because the Qur’an speaks of scientific facts that could not be discovered by anyone 200 years ago, let alone 1400 years ago. The objector should explain the existence of about 1000 verses in the Qur’an that talk about the natural manifestations of our universe, and there is not a single scientific error!!! We do not find in the Qur’an a trace of the superstitions of the seventh century among the pagans and others. Rather, the Qur’an came superior to that culture, condemning it and showing the truth. And you should explain why the Qur’an did not transmit the myths of the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Talmud, the Targum, the Madrashas, and the myths of the Egyptians, Persians and Greeks, even though you claim that the Qur’an stole from them all these scientific sayings!!!?
in bible its already said about that
It is written in bible 1000 BC
That's your claim. Not a fact. First of all, Al-Quran is not a book of Science. If it was book of Science it will be so long. Al-Quran is a guidelines of life (what Islam is all about), Scientific fact is just example to show the great knowledge that God (Allah) give to human to seek more of His knowledge in this world. We know it's a truth because we saw many evidence. Just like today, we need reference & research to prove the fact. Simple as that.
@@taqiyukenji What's your absolute best evidence that the Quran is the truth?
@@TheTruthKiwi If you think about it, the proof in the Quran itself is actually pretty overwhelming. But again, only if you think about it.
It means that even we assume the proof exists, and someone then shoves it in your face, you’ll always be free to deny it. What I mean here is that what matters isn’t really whether or not there’s proof. What’s actually important is what you yourself want/expect/hope in face of that proof.
Anyway, what worked for me is as follows:
The circumstances regarding the Prophet (pbuh). He’s an orphan, not exactly a high social standing. He’s illiterate. What’s amazing isn’t really how someone illiterate like him came up with some holy scriptures. What is amazing is how everything else regarding his circumstances fits. There’s just too much about it for it to be coincidence. These include:
He’s someone that’s been known for his entire life for his honesty. This means that he’s chosen because his words are deemed true for his entire life.
He’s illiterate, but blessed with phenomenal memory, insight, etiquette, and so on. This means he’s chosen to deny accusations that he learned his teachings from someone else. In a sense, this means that he is actually required to be illiterate for his entire life. And history has mentioned how the Quran was complied and written generations after his passing.
How the verses in the Quran hardly gives the Prophet (pbuh) himself any material advantage.
How the Quran was revealed in Arab in all places. Right in the middle of world.
How the Quran was revealed first for the Arab people, who weren’t exactly known for their manners, but known for how much they keep their word and integrity.
If you just read it, you can’t make sense of the Quran. People won’t immediately get what it’s supposed to mean. If you think about it, if it’s really written by man, why is it made like this?
Certain scientific facts that the Quran has mentioned but hard to imagine back then. Such as how mountains move, the number of layers in a womb, calculations regarding the speed of light, etc.
I AM FEELING SAD FOR CROWD OF ILLETRATES
You may want to spell check that.
Are you not then because he did say that water is the essence of all matter but he also said that Earth is a flat disk floating on a vast sea so logically if Muhammad SAW copied that from him he would also copy the wrong thing from him
@@WaleedHassan-bu1ff what thales said? What is his theory
@@mustafizurrahman9065
His theories include
Everything is made of water which includes fire iron rocks the entire universe but Quran says living things are made of water
Earth is a flat disk floating on a vast sea
and so on you get the point he has many wrong theories
@@WaleedHassan-bu1ff but in comment section why everyone is saying thales said living things is made of water. Why they are lying?
Room went from applause to throwing stones and beheading
How'd the prophet pbuh know if he couldn't read or write? And when did the prophet have any connection or knowledge to Thales being in the middle of the desert?
And what about him claiming in the Qur'an that the universe was expanding?
Here's Thales primary principal:
The problem of the nature of matter, and its transformation into the myriad things of which the universe is made, engaged the natural philosophers, commencing with Thales. For his hypothesis to be credible, it was essential that he could explain how all things could come into being from water, and return ultimately to the originating material. It is inherent in Thales’s hypotheses that water had the potentiality to change to the myriad things of which the universe is made, the botanical, physiological, meteorological and geological states. In Timaeus, 49B-C, Plato had Timaeus relate a cyclic process. The passage commences with ‘that which we now call “water” ‘, and describes a theory which was possibly that of Thales. Thales would have recognized evaporation, and have been familiar with traditional views, such as the nutritive capacity of mist and ancient theories about spontaneous generation, phenomena which he may have ‘observed’, just as Aristotle believed he, himself had (Hist. An. 569 b1; Gen. An. 762 a9-763 a34), and about which Diodorus Siculus (I.7.3-5; 1.10.6), Epicurus (ap. Censorinus, D.N. IV.9), Lucretius (De Rerum Natura , V.783-808) and Ovid (Met. I.416-437) wrote.
When Aristotle reported Thales’s pronouncement that the primary principle is water, he made a precise statement: ‘Thales says that it [the nature of things] is water’ (Metaph. 983 b20), but he became tentative when he proposed reasons which might have justified Thales’s decision: ‘[Thales’s] supposition may have arisen from observation . . . ‘ (Metaph. 983 b22). It was Aristotle’s opinion that Thales may have observed, ‘that the nurture of all creatures is moist, and that warmth itself is generated from moisture and lives by it; and that from which all things come to be is their first principle’ (Metaph. 983 b23-25). Then, in the lines 983 b26-27, Aristotle’s tone changed towards greater confidence. He declared: ‘Besides this, another reason for the supposition would be that the semina of all things have a moist nature . . . ‘ (Metaph. 983 b26-27). In continuing the criticism of Thales, Aristotle wrote: ‘That from which all things come to be is their first principle’ (Metaph. 983 b25).
Simple metallurgy had been practised long before Thales presented his hypotheses, so Thales knew that heat could return metals to a liquid state. Water exhibits sensible changes more obviously than any of the other so-called elements, and can readily be observed in the three states of liquid, vapour and ice. The understanding that water could generate into earth is basic to Thales’s watery thesis. At Miletus it could readily be observed that water had the capacity to thicken into earth. Miletus stood on the Gulf of Lade through which the Maeander river emptied its waters. Within living memory, older Milesians had witnessed the island of Lade increasing in size within the Gulf, and the river banks encroaching into the river to such an extent that at Priene, across the gulf from Miletus the warehouses had to be rebuilt closer to the water’s edge. The ruins of the once prosperous city-port of Miletus are now ten kilometres distant from the coast and the Island of Lade now forms part of a rich agricultural plain. There would have been opportunity to observe other areas where earth generated from water, for example, the deltas of the Halys, the Ister, about which Hesiod wrote (Theogony, 341), now called the Danube, the Tigris-Euphrates, and almost certainly the Nile. This coming-into-being of land would have provided substantiation of Thales’s doctrine. To Thales water held the potentialities for the nourishment and generation of the entire cosmos. Aëtius attributed to Thales the concept that ‘even the very fire of the sun and the stars, and indeed the cosmos itself is nourished by evaporation of the waters’ (Aëtius, Placita, I.3).
It is not known how Thales explained his watery thesis, but Aristotle believed that the reasons he proposed were probably the persuasive factors in Thales’s considerations. Thales gave no role to the Olympian gods. Belief in generation of earth from water was not proven to be wrong until A.D. 1769 following experiments of Antoine Lavoisier, and spontaneous generation was not disproved until the nineteenth century as a result of the work of Louis Pasteur.
So this man GUESSED based of the fact that things can be liquefied and animals needing water and he didn't even say that every living thing is made from water. He said that the nature of things is water FROM A PHILOSOPHER PERSPECTIVE
To Thales water held the potentialities for the nourishment and generation of the entire cosmos. Aëtius attributed to Thales the concept that ‘even the very fire of the sun and the stars, and indeed the cosmos itself is nourished by evaporation of the waters’
So my man said fire is made from water too
Oh also this man has claimed that earth is floating because he saw ships were floating and continued thinking that earth is a boat and that there could be a substance (rocks) lighter than water under the earth, very scientific stuff. that's very scientific don't you think?
As a matter of fact here's the article about him continuing his own none proofed philosophy about earthquakes:
Thales’s theory about the cause of earthquakes is consistent with his hypothesis that earth floats upon water. It seems that he applied his floating on water simile to the natural phenomena of earthquakes. Aëtius recorded that Thales and Democritus found in water the cause of earthquakes (Aët. III.15), and Seneca attributed to Thales a theory that on the occasions when the earth is said to quake it is fluctuating because of the roughness of oceans (QNat. III.14; 6.6). Although the theory is wrong, Thales’s hypothesis is rational because it provides an explanation which does not invoke hidden entities. It is an advance upon the traditional Homeric view that they resulted from an angry supernatural god, Poseidon, shaking the earth through his rapid striding.
So this guy tried to evade Greek gods so much, he believed even earthquakes are the result of earth being a lil sturdy on the waves of the ocean.
And the funny thing is that even if prophet Muhammad pbuh was copying from him WHY DIDN'T HE COPY THIS?
AS A MATTER OF FACT HE MENTIONED THAT THE EARTH IS STABLED BY MOUNTAINS BEING STAKES.
Don't get me wrong this man had some good stuff like the theory of earth being spherical:
As in his, experiment:
From the shore, a ship can be seen to be descending, gradually, below the horizon, with the hull disappearing from view first, to be followed by masts and sails. If one had a companion observing from a higher point, the companion would see the ship for a long period before it disappeared from view.
But that doesn't mean he's right about everything aye?
And btw THE PROPHET PBUH ACTUALLY PROPHESIZED THAT FROM THE SIGNS OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT THERE'D BE NEW DISEASES PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE.
Don't ask the book for answers to everything, next up you're going to ask where's Newton's law in the Qur'an
By the words of zakir nike: THIS IS THE BOOK OF SIGNS, NOT SCIENCE
Y'all really need to try harder than that so that we could sit you down for millionth time
I'm not beheading you.
You did that yourself by not even check the validity of this man ┐(´(エ)｀)┌
@@dinosaur669 you mentioned a chapter in the Qur'an accidentally lol
In Surat Al-Kafirun, which is a Makkan Surah, Allah Almighty orders the Prophet to say to the unbelievers,
{You have your own religion, and I have mine.} (Al-Kafirun 109:6)
It's fine man if you didn't get convinced by the message or get the whole message, but you'll have to explain why on the day of judgement.
We can't force anyone to believe in the religion, they have to accept it
@@royalsunset3251 enlighten ISIS first with your wisdom man😅
@@priyanshu846 don't put Muslims in the same category as the ISIS extremists
You don't see me comparing Christians to Hitler (who was a Christian)
It doesn’t take a genius to debunk Islam.
Of course it doesn’t, it only takes an idiot.
True
@@Kishan-gf2fgHi cow dung consumer
@@Kishan-gf2fg lol you're no different than a monkey
Only Idiots think they debunked Islam.
Room went from applause to total silence
total silence coz the edited video 😂, the question is did the prophet Muhammad get years of education behind a desk plus a library and the internet like that boy got
@@afterdark2707 Stop defending, you Muslims just got debunked.
@@afterdark2707 Take this L.
@@RonaldoHater777 Muslims do not debunked by anyone in this world
@@மூதேவி Yes they are. They can be debunked.
They will use science to validate thier cherry picked topics , but if ask them other things that science doesn't approve, they say science and religion are different
Science and religion are different 💀
And also we state science when it occurs in the Quran to prove that Science vs religion is a false dichotomy
for example like evolution
Evalution isnt a fact its just a overrated theory..@@jangy36
@@Lotus259 scientific theory means why and how it happens.
Brother... this was a belief from places outside of the arab world, the prophet was from an arab tribe in mecca, which had a largely illiterate population, he was illiterate himself, in a time where somoene was lucky to exceed 35 years of life. You're telling me the prophet knew? And if that does not convince you then look at the literal predictions of the future in the quran, or other even more impossijly stated scientific facts
Knock Knock who's there
"Me"
Me who
"Brother asked a very good Question".
After reading this, Don't think anyone will get stuck in any thought.
If you get any question though, please research it yourself. I wish you will the light of truthfulness.
docs.google.com/document/d/1nh2cXUF0RwOGVLP0kN3wkcJoEiPs9mbk8Ua6AmtOt4A/edit?usp=drivesdk
Yup.. that's the one they need to debate😂😂👊
😂❤
Blessings be upon Dr. Naik
😂
@@awd1915 mashalla now you can repeat after me "ashadu
i love how the audience got silent immediately😂
One of the ideas that Thales is best known for is his philosophy about the importance of water. He believed that the principle of everything was water.
[Historical source]
theles said everything originated from water. Not just life.😆😂🤣
Iron came from water?😆😂🤣
They are arguing on the dates but both agree with the fact mentioned in Quran. Meanwhile comment section😂
@@w.k8624 semen comes from back bones and ribs ok milk is clean ok the sun goes down and prostates to allah ok bruh what logic are you talking about
@@w.k8624 A lot of the shit mentioned in the quran is straight up falsehoods. The stars being small missiles, the sun setting in a lake of mud? Come on dude, you'r cry-laughing is as empty as your holy book.
@@sakibahmedshobuj1805ok ok why your are adding god is unseen coment you were fighting for Quran you know... It was all about Life originated from water ....and if god in unseen so wh do we believe in Something written 4000-1400 year ago ha?? whyy why dont we say simple that i dont know if evervgod existed. as simple as that .... and theory of evolution is real because it is a "theory"😂 not "hypothesis" just in 20-30 years something new will Discover or invented by science and then you will come up with quran justifying that thing...
Hilarious. Absolutely silenced a biased crowd.
Muslims just talk non-stop and hope that we will be impressed. Most Muslims don't even believe in God, they are just in it because it is a clan, a tribe and they are proud that this clan is growing in numbers, so they derive their pride from that fact. It is an empty ideology that thrives on racism and discrimination.
Quran is book of revelations not a science book. Also, he did not debunk anything, he just stated that the muslim’s argument about the water, was already thought of before.
@@wk4799 what revelations? Any evidence to support the claims?
@@wk4799 yeah a book control by modern science, right ?
@@DeliMeatTree revelations of God and his covenant and commandments, through verbal words and writing, as He had given to other prophets too
"That's the evidence"... 5 seconds later, debunked 😂😂😂
Really I don't think so Thales also called Thales of Miletus he was born in 624-620 BCE and died in 548-545 BCE he said that water is the essence of all matter but he also said that Earth is a flat disk floating on a vast sea so logically if Muhammad SAW copied that from him he would also copy the wrong thing from him
@@WaleedHassan-bu1ffMuhammad also said that earth is flat like a carpet
@@greatcyclone There is a difference between spread out and flat
@@greatcyclonenah, it’s like a carpet rolled on football on you, so it’s flat still? It’s better eg for you
We all know that earth continental crust is Flat and is spread on Earth so it appears to be not flat.
Bruh, keep trying
@@greatcycloneyou can’t get 1 contradiction in Quran
When logic hits hard on Islam 😂
Nothing here that hits hard. Even if there was someone who stated this before, it doesnt take away how impressive this is. What these folks did was saying "if you throw enough noodles against the wall, some will stick". Yes, some. But in the Quran, everything sticks, if it was just sole taking this from here and there, there wouldve been wrongs most likely. But a book that contains of "copied theories" from which nothing was falsified to this day is just very very very unlikely.
IF THALES SAID THAT THAN WHO SAID THIS ALL TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD ?
1.The creation of the universe from a single point (Big Bang)
2.The expansion of the universe
3.The alternating stages of day and night
4.The spherical shape of the Earth
5.The existence of a protective atmosphere
6.The formation of mountains as stabilizers for the Earth's crust
7.The water cycle, including evaporation, condensation, and precipitation
8.The existence of underground water sources and springs
9.The separation between bodies of saltwater and freshwater
10.The existence of a barrier between two seas that prevents them from mixing
11.The formation of lightning and its role in nitrogen fixation
12.The precise calculation of the orbits and movements of celestial bodies
13.The stages of human embryonic development
14.The existence of male and female reproductive fluids
15.The importance of honey as a natural remedy
16.The ability of bees to communicate and build complex hives
17.The healing properties of various plants and fruits
18.The structure of the human body and its intricate design
19.The uniqueness of fingerprints for each individual
20.The correlation between iron and the creation of the Earth
21.The existence of barriers preventing the mixing of different seas and oceans
22.The concept of time dilation and relativity
23.The relationship between sleep and rejuvenation of the body
24.The importance of moderation in diet and lifestyle
25.The balance and harmony in the natural world
26.The symbolism behind the creation of pairs in various aspects of life
27.The recognition of the human ability to think, reason, and reflect
28.The preservation of the Pharaoh's body as a sign for future generations
29.The concept of the soul and its connection to the body
30.The wisdom and guidance found in the Quran itself
AND MANY MORE..........
@@Fzero1453 There are no scientific miracles in the Quran.
There are a huge amount of scientific mistakes in the Quran. This is amazing, as the Quran is not even intended as a science book.
The scientific facts that are correct in the Quran and are now “discovered” by modern scientists have all been known hundreds of years before the Quran was written.
These efforts to make the Quran a holy book above all others, by trying to claim scientific relevance is rather pathetic. The examples mentioned are even more fuzzy than Nostradamus verses. You should realize that the Sumerians already stated that everything was formed by the elemental gods Apsu and Tiamat, the gods of salty and clear water, from them in 6 generation of gods all was created. Then man was created so the gods could rest. Muhammad’s views on the heavens was also inspired by the ancient Mesopotamian and Indian visualizations of a seven layer heaven, so nothing new here. But if Muhammad’s view on the heavens is already completely incorrect concerning the positioning of the moon, stars and sun, why would the word expander be meaningful? This is just a word used in a naive attempt describe the creation of the heavens.
The embryology is also completely wrong. Of course Muhammad knew that sperm was involved in embryology, but he was clearly not aware of the female egg. Flesh covers bones in a human, but in embryology, the flesh and the bone cartilage develop at the same time. In fact the formation of the bones reaches completion after the flesh does. This means the Quran is just pseudo-science. It is a series of smart guesses that turn out to be completely incorrect when analyzed in a scientific context.
The list of things that the Quran got wrong is many pages long, the list of things it got right is short, the list of correct things the Quran mentioned before anybody else mentioned it is empty.
This is exactly what you could expect from a book composed by uneducated tribal people in the 7th century.
Thales did not say that the life was originated from water. He said everything galaxies,planets just everything was created from water. But science proved that wrong. Thales said earth is flat and also said that earth floated in water.
So now,if the author of the quran had to copy from Thales,He would have said that everything is created from water. But no,the Quran said every “living thing” is created from water.Why did the author of the Quran wrote only that part of Thales's theory which was right and not that part of Thales's theory which was wrong?
That is why Quranic verses have to be divine.
@@dav1d.m i can send you more of these stuff you can almost binge watch it all day along
Love when facts crush religious arguments.
So because there was one guy who ‘advocated’ a theory that somehow explains how the prophet (pbuh) knew this theory was actually a fact. Yes it may have been advocated before. But the prophet didn’t advocate it. He stated it was a fact. Big difference. If anything this video proves to me how stupid atheism is. It seems like they come up with anything to find an excuse to not follow Islam lol. Because they want any excuse to do what they want.
Let’s be honest if you knew for a fact Islam is real you’d still struggle to follow it. I’m not saying you specifically but atheists in general. They’d struggle to give up their immorality like sex with strangers, alcohol abuse, making immoral financial gains etc etc. because they’d have to sacrifice a lot in this world to follow Islam. Which a lot of atheists simply will not do because of their mindset.
Not completely, the Quran says every living thing was made out of water, while Thales proposed the idea that everything, living or not was made out of water which would be a wrong statement
@@SheikhOfWisdom ikr not to mention this idea God “should have”mentioned germ theory like 1. there are things said by Muhammad in regards to hygiene like brushing your teeth or regularly washing that only make sense if germs exist not under the common miasma and 4 humors theory of disease in ur olden times. And 2. Most people today don’t understand how germs work how would the religion be accessible to all of humanity if chapters were just dedicated to explaining germ theory in middle Classical Arabic poetry and you needed a substantial amount of knowledge in regards to biology and construction of glass lenses and microscopes to even properly see and understand.
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section tales said that all things are water not all things were created by water so ....
Vedas laughing in the corner and be like- 'meh let the kids have fun'.
The vedas called the earth flat
Chup chapri
@@zemsaney433 really? U read it in sanskrit?
@@deleteyouraccount4958 said by an andhnamazi
@@shanubiswas2158 said by a guy who hasn't even touch the Vedas book
Thales 1 - 0 Muhammad
Thales said everything came from water, quran says every living thing comes from water. Thales clearly is wrong. Let's say argument sake that he was right his opinion still is unpopular as the guy says so why would he puck an unpopular opinion? If he prophet Mohammad spoke greek or had access to greek litterature in the first place. I'll be waiting for your answer
@@user-ds6sp1hl7i Ever heard the term, "Traders" ? These so called ppl travelled across Europe, Central Asia, Middle East, India and China. They not only exchanged goods but also information. Muhammad need not know Greek to get tis information. Understood ?
So scores are same,
Thales 1 - 0 Muhammad
@@juhanpad69do you believe a man who's claiming to be recieving Devine words of God would go around and pickup a piece of belief of an unpopular philosopher (not even a scientist) who's unknown to him plus he just heard about him from traders (in Accord with your logic) and say o yeah seems like these are the spicies I can season into my Devine book
@@adnannafees1 Yes i believe, cauz tis so called man used to fullfill his desires by using Allah's ( God ) name. He is intelligent and smart enough, else how would he end up creating so many blind followers ?
@@juhanpad69 before we go anywhere else how far you've read Qur'an and understood it? That you feel confident enough to talk about Islam and its prophet, yes he fulfilled his desires, desires of being called from trustworthy to deserted the desire of being forced to leave his own city where he spent his childhood the desire of loosing his closest one's the desire of making his own family to plot assassination against him.
Islam dies without lies
Haha who's the liar here , I see a lot of Atheists cheering and none of you bothered to even check what Thales actually said and that's actually not the same what this Atheist speaker said , Thales said everything came from water and that's false and the Quran spoke specifically " every living thing " those are two different things , The Qora us undefeated and no matter how much you try , the truth always preveil
@@Trance18 the scientific miracles in the Quran have been debunked. Ali dawah said that not me . And all your Muslim scholars know that the Quran is not a scientific book . And yes your book was DEFEATED by your own scholars 😂
@@Trance18
So you believe that the moon was split in half ? 😂
Or that flying horses exist ?
Or that sperm comes from between the rips and the backbone ?
Plot twist: Muhammad can't read and write, so how does he know that, if someone tells him about it then the only way to prove it is by using the Mathematics of the Quran, the mathematics in the Quran is proof that the content of the Qur'an is not made by man, because in a study it proved impossible to make by man.
It should be "without lies islam dies...😅😅😂
So basically illiteracy is the main issue.
Are you sure?
@@shri3343 and inbreeding
Very nuch
I think it is the unwillingness to become literate or being reasonable or logical...
This entire religion is against education and literacy.
I had like 8 muslim girls in my class in standard 12 and only 1 of them made it to Graduation. Only to drop education in the midst of second year for marriage. Literal jaahil community. 😂
Look at how the guy from peaceful community speaks.
Yes we are awesome
Christianity is historically and bibliclly more violent. All religions can get fucked though.
❌🤦♂️This is a lie. Thales did not say that all living creatures were created from water. Rather, he said that the origin of the entire universe, from planets, galaxies, stars, etc., was from water, and this is a scientific error. Diogenees Laërtius says about Thales: “His doctrine was that water is the universal primary substance.”
✅ On the other hand, the Qur'an contradicts this scientifically wrong view of Thales and says:
" *Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe* ?"
The Qur’an states that every (living thing) is created from water, and not the entire universe, as Thales and Greek philosophers like Anaximander and all ancient civilization said.
And the saying of the Qur’an is a scientific fact that has been discovered only in our time.
💠The Jewish physicist *Schroeder* testifies to this when he said: " *All life on Earth is water based. No water, no life, but with water, life was possible* ."
💠Even the famous atheist Richard Dawkins testified to this fact.
We also note that the Qur’an explicitly refers to the heavens and the earth as one entity, which is in clear agreement with the basis of the Big Bang theory that we discovered only in this era. 🌍🌌
What is more surprising is that the Qur’an did not just mention that, but added that in the early stages of the creation of the universe there was smoke:
[ *Then he directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke* and said to it and to the earth,” Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion They said, "We have come willingly” ]
This contradicts the belief prevailing in many ancient nations that the origin of the universe is water🌊. It is the ancient Egyptian conception and the civilizations of Mesopotamia and the ancient Greeks, and it is also the conception adopted by the Christians in (2 Peter 3:5):
“ *the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water* .”
🔺And what the Qur’an came with here is amazing, not only because it contradicts the culture of the time, but because it goes in a complete opposite to that culture.
💠The famous atheist physicist Stephen Hawking said: “ *You could say that we are made of the smoke of the big bang* .”
💠The astronomers working at the Herschel Space Observatory said: “A cosmic dust consist of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. *It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke* .”
🔸So, please tell me, how did an illiterate man in an ignorant desert environment that knows neither reading nor writing nor science learned these scientific facts?
To clarify, my belief as a Muslim is not based only on one scientific fact that exists here or there in the Qur’an, but is based first on the truthfulness of the content of the Qur’an from the pure monotheism of God, consistent with reason and sound logic, which is not found in any other religious book.
And I also believed because of the continuous and unequivocal historical testimonies of the sincerity of the Messenger of Islam, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace. And on the doctrinal, moral and Sharia facts that regulate our lives to the fullest.
📚 And on the rhetorical miracle of the Qur’an, the Qur’an challenges people to produce even a small surah similar to the Qur’an, and this challenge persists to this day:
“ *And if you are in doubt about what we have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sûrah like it and call your helpers other than Allah
But if you are unable to do so-and you will never be able to do so-then fear the Fire fueled with people and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers* ”
I also believed in the message of Islam because the Qur’an speaks of scientific facts that could not be discovered by anyone 200 years ago, let alone 1400 years ago. The objector should explain the existence of about 1000 verses in the Qur’an that talk about the natural manifestations of our universe, and there is not a single scientific error!!! We do not find in the Qur’an a trace of the superstitions of the seventh century among the pagans and others. Rather, the Qur’an came superior to that culture, condemning it and showing the truth. And you should explain why the Qur’an did not transmit the myths of the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Talmud, the Targum, the Madrashas, and the myths of the Egyptians, Persians and Greeks, even though you claim that the Qur’an stole from them all these scientific sayings!!!?
true peace comes from 9/11
Arrogant way
Everyone: we discovered this
ancient greece: 😎
Big bang , expanding universe , planetary motion ???
@@theMKstudios tell me the verses in quran where they mention big bang, expanding universe etc. Even my grandma say our sky is getting bigger and bigger each day even tho she is don't know how to read and write.
❌🤦♂️This is a lie. Thales did not say that all living creatures were created from water. Rather, he said that the origin of the entire universe, from planets, galaxies, stars, etc., was from water, and this is a scientific error. Diogenees Laërtius says about Thales: “His doctrine was that water is the universal primary substance.”
✅ On the other hand, the Qur'an contradicts this scientifically wrong view of Thales and says:
" *Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe* ?"
The Qur’an states that every (living thing) is created from water, and not the entire universe, as Thales and Greek philosophers like Anaximander and all ancient civilization said.
And the saying of the Qur’an is a scientific fact that has been discovered only in our time.
💠The Jewish physicist *Schroeder* testifies to this when he said: " *All life on Earth is water based. No water, no life, but with water, life was possible* ."
💠Even the famous atheist Richard Dawkins testified to this fact.
We also note that the Qur’an explicitly refers to the heavens and the earth as one entity, which is in clear agreement with the basis of the Big Bang theory that we discovered only in this era. 🌍🌌
What is more surprising is that the Qur’an did not just mention that, but added that in the early stages of the creation of the universe there was smoke:
[ *Then he directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke* and said to it and to the earth,” Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion They said, "We have come willingly” ]
This contradicts the belief prevailing in many ancient nations that the origin of the universe is water🌊. It is the ancient Egyptian conception and the civilizations of Mesopotamia and the ancient Greeks, and it is also the conception adopted by the Christians in (2 Peter 3:5):
“ *the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water* .”
🔺And what the Qur’an came with here is amazing, not only because it contradicts the culture of the time, but because it goes in a complete opposite to that culture.
💠The famous atheist physicist Stephen Hawking said: “ *You could say that we are made of the smoke of the big bang* .”
💠The astronomers working at the Herschel Space Observatory said: “A cosmic dust consist of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. *It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke* .”
🔸So, please tell me, how did an illiterate man in an ignorant desert environment that knows neither reading nor writing nor science learned these scientific facts?
To clarify, my belief as a Muslim is not based only on one scientific fact that exists here or there in the Qur’an, but is based first on the truthfulness of the content of the Qur’an from the pure monotheism of God, consistent with reason and sound logic, which is not found in any other religious book.
And I also believed because of the continuous and unequivocal historical testimonies of the sincerity of the Messenger of Islam, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace. And on the doctrinal, moral and Sharia facts that regulate our lives to the fullest.
📚 And on the rhetorical miracle of the Qur’an, the Qur’an challenges people to produce even a small surah similar to the Qur’an, and this challenge persists to this day:
“ *And if you are in doubt about what we have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sûrah like it and call your helpers other than Allah
But if you are unable to do so-and you will never be able to do so-then fear the Fire fueled with people and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers* ”
I also believed in the message of Islam because the Qur’an speaks of scientific facts that could not be discovered by anyone 200 years ago, let alone 1400 years ago. The objector should explain the existence of about 1000 verses in the Qur’an that talk about the natural manifestations of our universe, and there is not a single scientific error!!! We do not find in the Qur’an a trace of the superstitions of the seventh century among the pagans and others. Rather, the Qur’an came superior to that culture, condemning it and showing the truth. And you should explain why the Qur’an did not transmit the myths of the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Talmud, the Targum, the Madrashas, and the myths of the Egyptians, Persians and Greeks, even though you claim that the Qur’an stole from them all these scientific sayings!!!?..
Ancient Egypt: 😶🌫️
Sumerian : 🤷🏻♂️
@@SeekerOfTruth5good reply brother!
The Quran also says that semen comes from inside the rib cage, which is an incorrect scientific theory from the time of Galen of Alexandria (2nd century AD).
You didn’t understand the verse correctly since your don’t know Arabic.
One, according to webmd
“The seminal vesicles-sometimes called the seminal glands or vesicular glands-are part of the reproductive system in people assigned male at birth. They are small glands that produce the majority of the fluid that makes up semen,”
And
“The seminal vesicles are located in the pelvis superior to the rectum, inferior to the fundus of the bladder and posterior to the prostate”
So it is literally located in between the rib cage and the backbone.
Another meaning is that the man emerges from the Rib cage and the backbone, meaning child birth… soooo
@@BigG627In Surah Al-Tariq (86:5-7):
"So let man observe from what he was created. He was created from a fluid, ejected, emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."
@@BigG627 And even the womb of a women is nowhere between the ribcage 😂 LOL!!!!! The ribcage would break LMAO!!! The womb and all women genitalia is wayyyy down below in bottom stomach area
@@BigG627 The uterus is not located between the ribcage. In the female reproductive system, the uterus is a pear-shaped organ situated in the pelvic cavity, between the bladder and the rectum. It is held in place by ligaments and muscles within the pelvis. :3
@@BigG627 The Al-qur'an is really really dumb af :3
Especially about human being made from dirt! Adam & Hawa! And not evolution which is observed facts! Even can be seen in genetic and in human changes in different environments! HAHAHAHAH
The crowd cheering when a lie was told loool
It's not a lie dummy, it is still true 😂😂😂
I almost felt like that was dubbed in.
First rule in Islam: Never double-check and cheer as loud as possible so you don't hear the opposite standpoint.
They loved it because it was feeding their delusions. That's called blind faith and brainwashed crowd, aka religion.
the quran is not by muhammed i think
as far as know poeple said life is from water
and gods confirmed it in the bible and quran
Chicken cheering for kfc.
in the West your womans do onlyfans thats better yeah?🤣
Dododododooodooo what does that mean
@@zakirnasseri3596he refers to the fact that there are women who are applauding the Muslim preacher, when in reality Islam says husbands can beat their wives into submission: 4:34
...If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them...
@@zakirnasseri3596 cuz Muslim men are stated to beat their wife and etc
@@zakirnasseri3596he means that Muslims are real victim of Islam there are 57 Muslim countries out of them you can see what is condition of 48 country's. Only two three Muslim countries are there which are secular and democratic. Muslims in West can protest for their rights but Muslims in Saudi Arab Qatar Oman cannot even protest.
Lmfao at the tented ladies going crazy for this middle school level of understanding
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section Thales said that all things are water entirely not all things were created from water so
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section Thales said that all things are water entirely not all things were created from water so
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section Thales said that all things are water entirely not all things were created from water so
@@7years6months3days5hours7min they changed it later as they did with the flat earth thing.
How'd the prophet pbuh know if he couldn't read or write? And when did the prophet have any connection or knowledge to Thales being in the middle of the desert?
And what about him claiming in the Qur'an that the universe was expanding?
Here's Thales primary principal:
The problem of the nature of matter, and its transformation into the myriad things of which the universe is made, engaged the natural philosophers, commencing with Thales. For his hypothesis to be credible, it was essential that he could explain how all things could come into being from water, and return ultimately to the originating material. It is inherent in Thales’s hypotheses that water had the potentiality to change to the myriad things of which the universe is made, the botanical, physiological, meteorological and geological states. In Timaeus, 49B-C, Plato had Timaeus relate a cyclic process. The passage commences with ‘that which we now call “water” ‘, and describes a theory which was possibly that of Thales. Thales would have recognized evaporation, and have been familiar with traditional views, such as the nutritive capacity of mist and ancient theories about spontaneous generation, phenomena which he may have ‘observed’, just as Aristotle believed he, himself had (Hist. An. 569 b1; Gen. An. 762 a9-763 a34), and about which Diodorus Siculus (I.7.3-5; 1.10.6), Epicurus (ap. Censorinus, D.N. IV.9), Lucretius (De Rerum Natura , V.783-808) and Ovid (Met. I.416-437) wrote.
When Aristotle reported Thales’s pronouncement that the primary principle is water, he made a precise statement: ‘Thales says that it [the nature of things] is water’ (Metaph. 983 b20), but he became tentative when he proposed reasons which might have justified Thales’s decision: ‘[Thales’s] supposition may have arisen from observation . . . ‘ (Metaph. 983 b22). It was Aristotle’s opinion that Thales may have observed, ‘that the nurture of all creatures is moist, and that warmth itself is generated from moisture and lives by it; and that from which all things come to be is their first principle’ (Metaph. 983 b23-25). Then, in the lines 983 b26-27, Aristotle’s tone changed towards greater confidence. He declared: ‘Besides this, another reason for the supposition would be that the semina of all things have a moist nature . . . ‘ (Metaph. 983 b26-27). In continuing the criticism of Thales, Aristotle wrote: ‘That from which all things come to be is their first principle’ (Metaph. 983 b25).
Simple metallurgy had been practised long before Thales presented his hypotheses, so Thales knew that heat could return metals to a liquid state. Water exhibits sensible changes more obviously than any of the other so-called elements, and can readily be observed in the three states of liquid, vapour and ice. The understanding that water could generate into earth is basic to Thales’s watery thesis. At Miletus it could readily be observed that water had the capacity to thicken into earth. Miletus stood on the Gulf of Lade through which the Maeander river emptied its waters. Within living memory, older Milesians had witnessed the island of Lade increasing in size within the Gulf, and the river banks encroaching into the river to such an extent that at Priene, across the gulf from Miletus the warehouses had to be rebuilt closer to the water’s edge. The ruins of the once prosperous city-port of Miletus are now ten kilometres distant from the coast and the Island of Lade now forms part of a rich agricultural plain. There would have been opportunity to observe other areas where earth generated from water, for example, the deltas of the Halys, the Ister, about which Hesiod wrote (Theogony, 341), now called the Danube, the Tigris-Euphrates, and almost certainly the Nile. This coming-into-being of land would have provided substantiation of Thales’s doctrine. To Thales water held the potentialities for the nourishment and generation of the entire cosmos. Aëtius attributed to Thales the concept that ‘even the very fire of the sun and the stars, and indeed the cosmos itself is nourished by evaporation of the waters’ (Aëtius, Placita, I.3).
It is not known how Thales explained his watery thesis, but Aristotle believed that the reasons he proposed were probably the persuasive factors in Thales’s considerations. Thales gave no role to the Olympian gods. Belief in generation of earth from water was not proven to be wrong until A.D. 1769 following experiments of Antoine Lavoisier, and spontaneous generation was not disproved until the nineteenth century as a result of the work of Louis Pasteur.
So this man GUESSED based of the fact that things can be liquefied and animals needing water and he didn't even say that every living thing is made from water. He said that the nature of things is water FROM A PHILOSOPHER PERSPECTIVE
To Thales water held the potentialities for the nourishment and generation of the entire cosmos. Aëtius attributed to Thales the concept that ‘even the very fire of the sun and the stars, and indeed the cosmos itself is nourished by evaporation of the waters’
So my man said fire is made from water too
Oh also this man has claimed that earth is floating because he saw ships were floating and continued thinking that earth is a boat and that there could be a substance (rocks) lighter than water under the earth, very scientific stuff. that's very scientific don't you think?
As a matter of fact here's the article about him continuing his own none proofed philosophy about earthquakes:
Thales’s theory about the cause of earthquakes is consistent with his hypothesis that earth floats upon water. It seems that he applied his floating on water simile to the natural phenomena of earthquakes. Aëtius recorded that Thales and Democritus found in water the cause of earthquakes (Aët. III.15), and Seneca attributed to Thales a theory that on the occasions when the earth is said to quake it is fluctuating because of the roughness of oceans (QNat. III.14; 6.6). Although the theory is wrong, Thales’s hypothesis is rational because it provides an explanation which does not invoke hidden entities. It is an advance upon the traditional Homeric view that they resulted from an angry supernatural god, Poseidon, shaking the earth through his rapid striding.
So this guy tried to evade Greek gods so much, he believed even earthquakes are the result of earth being a lil sturdy on the waves of the ocean.
And the funny thing is that even if prophet Muhammad pbuh was copying from him WHY DIDN'T HE COPY THIS?
AS A MATTER OF FACT HE MENTIONED THAT THE EARTH IS STABLED BY MOUNTAINS BEING STAKES.
Don't get me wrong this man had some good stuff like the theory of earth being spherical:
As in his, experiment:
From the shore, a ship can be seen to be descending, gradually, below the horizon, with the hull disappearing from view first, to be followed by masts and sails. If one had a companion observing from a higher point, the companion would see the ship for a long period before it disappeared from view.
But that doesn't mean he's right about everything aye?
And btw THE PROPHET PBUH ACTUALLY PROPHESIZED THAT FROM THE SIGNS OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT THERE'D BE NEW DISEASES PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE.
Don't ask the book for answers to everything, next up you're going to ask where's Newton's law in the Qur'an
By the words of zakir nike: THIS IS THE BOOK OF SIGNS, NOT SCIENCE
Y'all really need to try harder than that so that we could sit you down for millionth time
Quran : earth is flat
Muslim: it is not the eyes that are blind it's heart.
😂😂😂😂
does carpet only wrap around flat things and not round things?
It appears to be a wide expanse to us, that's what it means.
it said crust was spread out and in the verse the word can be used for ostrich egg. try again. This was just a theory by Thales unlike the statement made in the Quran . He also made many mistakes such as believing that the earth floated on water and this was the cause of earthquakes. Now learn what the Quran says about mountains and earthquakes .
That verse is stolen by Mohammed from the bible.
@@OksanaBodarenko nothing was stolen S the corerect things was filtered and the corrupted left behind it . Quran corrects many things in the bible that history can prove
A total silence when wisdom spoke!!!
IF THALES SAID THAT THAN WHO SAID THIS ALL TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD ?
1.The creation of the universe from a single point (Big Bang)
2.The expansion of the universe
3.The alternating stages of day and night
4.The spherical shape of the Earth
5.The existence of a protective atmosphere
6.The formation of mountains as stabilizers for the Earth's crust
7.The water cycle, including evaporation, condensation, and precipitation
8.The existence of underground water sources and springs
9.The separation between bodies of saltwater and freshwater
10.The existence of a barrier between two seas that prevents them from mixing
11.The formation of lightning and its role in nitrogen fixation
12.The precise calculation of the orbits and movements of celestial bodies
13.The stages of human embryonic development
14.The existence of male and female reproductive fluids
15.The importance of honey as a natural remedy
16.The ability of bees to communicate and build complex hives
17.The healing properties of various plants and fruits
18.The structure of the human body and its intricate design
19.The uniqueness of fingerprints for each individual
20.The correlation between iron and the creation of the Earth
21.The existence of barriers preventing the mixing of different seas and oceans
22.The concept of time dilation and relativity
23.The relationship between sleep and rejuvenation of the body
24.The importance of moderation in diet and lifestyle
25.The balance and harmony in the natural world
26.The symbolism behind the creation of pairs in various aspects of life
27.The recognition of the human ability to think, reason, and reflect
28.The preservation of the Pharaoh's body as a sign for future generations
29.The concept of the soul and its connection to the body
30.The wisdom and guidance found in the Quran itself
AND MANY MORE..........
This was just a theory by Thales unlike the statement made in the Quran . He also made many mistakes such as believing that the earth floated on water and this was the cause of earthquakes. Now learn what the Quran says about mountains and earthquakes
If we go by the gentleman s theory of sphagetti on the wall, we need to take a look at the other predictions of Thales such as “earth floats on water” and perhaps it would befit him more.On the other hand,the quran has numerous other accurate facts and prophecies such as :The prefrontal cortex,planets floating in the orbit,lowest point on the land,Rome will defeat Persia,origin of steel,Embriology,Big bang theory and universe expanison,the big crunch theory,Mountains as Pegs,Internal Waves,Pain receptors. Now lets talk about who was throwing sphagetti at the wall.And i will provide you with verses for each of my claim if you ask.
The Rig Vedas , upanishads of Sanathan Dharm just standing an listening in the corner👀. Sanathan give your presence 🙌
Bhai we're from the beginning, even our scriptures are difficult to decipher let alone understanding them. But one thing for sure Sanatan hi Satya hai.❤
Nonsense.
@@manishgoswami7210what a joke😂
@@Maratha382 agr tu Sach Mai maratha hota toh tu ye baat bolta nhi.... Sirf nam maratha hone se nhi hota hai ja k history par asil maratha ne apne desh k Lia Kya Kya Kia hai. Patlun gili ho jayega Teri . Nonsense
@@bhediyadada3487 I’m not
This made me become an even bigger atheist
Where did he debunked??? Debunk means exposing falseness quran saye life originated from water and this atheist said same so when both are same then how he debunked it 😂 and about the germ thing Quran is a religious book not scientific if there are facts then it's perhaps gift from Almighty Allah SWT ( God )
Congrats you became more stupid thinking that the universe came by notihing and monkey’s turned into humans with a random theory which isn’t proven 😅
Have yall heard Thales actual view on the universal concept?
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section tales said that all things are water not all things were created by water so .... WHAT A DUMB LIE
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section Thales said that all things are water entirely not all things were created from water so
Woman defending islam is like chicken defending KFC.
Woman defending islam is like goat defending butcher....
Woman are precious in islam? Let me prove it to you, ahem:
A woman completes the faith of a man
Women are to be protected above men
A woman is allowed to kill her rapist
Jannah is at your mother's feet
A womans money is hers a alone, her husbands money is also hers
Need i say more?
I want you to look up rape and harassment rates in western countries vs rape and harassment rates in Muslim countries, I dare you to rewrite your comment
@@user-xm6dj3nj8glmfao exactly
@@user-xm6dj3nj8gin muslim countries they are mostly (or probably idk exactly) underreported (i read multiple sources that say that)
Yeah Islam cooked itself
the problem with the Muslim guy is that he's trying to reinterpret out of context the Quran trying to fit verses through modern science. That's contrary to exegesis. And that's not the way to defend and present rational arguments for religious beliefs.
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section Thales said that all things are water entirely not all things were created from water so
you literally said nothing
Yeah, these guys trying so hard to reinterpret stuff to fit achivements and be like "thats literally there in the Qur'an" but the muslims never bothered to develop and advance science and technology
@@lly_09 what a lie
@@lly_09 First university made by Muslims dude what the hell you learning in school 😂
I love the biology class where sky was “opened”
“Uh oh, I don’t like those clouds. Looks like the sky might open today.”
Yeah its utter nonsense. The big bang totally isn't a thing (heavy sarcasm) seriously. Please use logic. The atheists argument is complete nonsense
Hell will be in wait for you
@@davidnewcomb7466Download miracles of quran and download quran and read the actual translation since the sky is wrong the correct is the heavens
Thales thought everything is made of water he also thought the Earth floated in water"
Quraan knew better and stated: we made every LIVING thing of water, to begin with. The Quraan said about 1400 yrs ago that pulsar stars making a sound like if someone is knockin the door (=taariq), the widening/ expansion of the universe, atoms, black materia - illumination of the nearest sky, mountain pegs, iron from outter space, internal waves - the description of the deepths of the ocean, impregnation/ embryo development early states (references: Keith L Moore, E. Marshall Johnson) - which can not be seen with the human eye just under an microscope and many more sciebtific facts in anatomy, geophysiks, astrophysiks,, historical events, etc - discovered *just* recently and in the 20th century ...
Jinns in bathrooms always got me. Germs explain it better.
NOO !! The devil is omnipresent in every moozlim nose!!
Abu Huraira reported: The Apostle of Allah said. When any one of you awakes up from sleep and performs ablution, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose. (Sahih Muslim, Book 002, Number 0462)
@@VictorPanteleimon what
@@heinshaaine8153 Mooslims believe that the Devil is inside of the nose.
@@VictorPanteleimon lmao no but Ik evangelicals who really believe this shit. I know one guy who’s a terrible person and basically blames all his evil thoughts and actions on the devil. Almost like it’s an excuse to get out of a sense of personal responsibility for his awful actions. Religious people are a trip.
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section tales said that all things are water not all things were created by water so ....
My response: if the fact has never been confirmed during the time and has been abandoned for hundreds of years, then the prophet would not know the fact.
Plus mohammed was illiterate and no wher near greece
My favorite "miracle" in the Quran is when Prophet Mohammed said "Abra Kadabra" and split the
ENTIRE MOON INTO TWO PIECES !!!
and no other civilization felt the need to record this.
Which chapter in quran
@@tishamania8902 From what little I have read, I believe it's chapter 54 of the Quran.
Also, flying to heaven on a winged horse.
That's also one amazing "Historical Fact" that I love.
@@ankurroy3979 which sura bro
@@ankurroy3979 there are 114 sura , from which sura
@@tishamania8902 The first 2 or 3 talk about it.
Quran 1-3 I think.
Look at the level of applause for superstition and ignorance.....😆😅
Where did he debunked??? Debunk means exposing falseness quran saye life originated from water and this atheist said same so when both are same then how he debunked it 😂 and about the germ thing Quran is a religious book not scientific if there are facts then it's perhaps gift from Almighty Allah SWT ( God )
They need to do that to remain convinced that they are going to be in heaven with hoors.
Yeah that's what cult members usually do
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section tales said that all things are water not all things were created by water so ....
@@davidarbogast37 yes they do
Mulla was schooled😂
madarsa prolly
Mulla 😂😂
Whos mulla
@@riverselive_kdmz_8458A terrorist
*Thales* said many other things which the prophet Mohammad surprisingly did not copy:
The earth rests on water. (De Caelo 294a28)
Water is the archê of all things. (Metaph. 983b18)
The magnet has a soul. (De Anima 405a19)
All things are full of gods. (De Anima 411a7)
The earth is flat 😂.
The cheering is hilarious. Those poor people
If Islam is a religion of peace then why aren’t the fanatics peaceful
Because they are not real Muslims same as the crusaders they were not real folowers of Jesus 🤦🤦🤦🤦 they drive me insane when they answer that....
It is because usa invaded middle East
Because fanatics are not Islam
@@hami__ what are they then?
@@hami__ what are they then?
Funny how the verses are interpreted to match science _after_ the discovery is made by scientists.
That's how they held their stupid beliefs alive till today.
What's scary/funny is they say it with such conviction as if it's undisputed.
That's religion for you...
The power of interpretation. Jesus loves ya !
We didn't say it's literal science, We don't believe in the quran because of such a shallow reason, however the quran describes these "scientific Knowledge" as "signs" no such knowledge could've been acquired by an illiterate man, if you take for example the first 4 verses of chapter 30 it literally predict the entire scenario which happened between the Roman's and persians the verse is says "have *been* deafeted" which is a metaphor of certainty. The Early interpretation of the verse states that every being is made out of water, even before scientists confirmed this, so what's your point?
@@moh6734 the point is would you think the Greek gods are real because the Greeks said it too?
Debate turned into a roast and I'm here for it
Roast?? They got burnt 😂
Yo
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
The amount of people here cheering for the atheist without even veryfing his claims first shows you that they are worse than what they claim the believers to be. THALES claimed that ALL THINGS are created from water, which total Bullshit. Against Allah words which says that ALL LIVING Things are made from water. Which is a scientific truth !! So Shut them mouths please and only open when uve done your research and unbiased thinking !!!
@@saadbenbenabslam5176 potato patarto it's all bs and obviously so. I was raised catholic and by the age of 7 I released its all fairy tales. For many years I have been watching online debates and have yet to hear an argument for god that holds water (pun intended). So no research needed.
@@gregwilliams6828 Lol already making assumptions and jumping into conclusions. Lol shows what a logical man you are. My friend let me tell you how you mathematically prove something does not exist. You assume it does and if you find contradictions then what you assumed is incorrect . So it makes no sense that this universe does not have a creator and designer . There is no such thing as chance or randomness only lack of data. So with the matter of the big bands singularity. The probability of life coming into existence is 1 in 10^229. Universe has 10^80 atoms. So it makes no sense that God does not exist. My friend all observable matter is only 5% of the universe so please don't pretend you can actually prove something does not exist. Lol
Earth is like a carpet
Flat
it said spread out and also the same word can be used for ostrich egg
@@adamarifp2101no, it cant. But an ostrich does lay it self flat when it lays an egg. And its egg isnt flat. So, if that makes it make sense then good on ya.
No its not flat check the verse carefully
@@adamarifp2101no one need your translation correct translation is flat read it correctly Allah even says he put mountains so that earth don't fly away in storms 😂😂😂
@@abubatata1222 the context is so you can walk and farm stable
At this point, an 8 year old could argue and win against any religious scholar in history
search the truth my friend. dont belive anything untill you are 100% sure. only the ones that care enough to find the truth will find the truth .this is a very serious matter . BTW QURAN MENTIONS THE BIGBANG,THE EARTH'S SHAPE,that the MOON DOESN'T HAVE IT'S OWN LIGHT,THAT OXYGEN DECREASES AS WE GO UP,EXPANSION OF UNIVERSE, and according to science there was no way people could know these back then when quran was revealed. who could have known all this?think hard my friend. if you be if people belive that there . islam teaches us the meaning of life is to do as much good as possible before we die the world would undoubtedly be a better place. study religions question yourself all the time. no one should die whithout knowing the truth. think hard my friend. thank you for listening. peace be upon you .
@Mahir Ahnaf Miraz the fact that a book claims to be the word of God, yet still has so many claims wrong when talking about the world and life, can no longer be deemed "Devine". What God, worthy of such a title, would get 1 thing wrong, let alone dozens of claims incorrect?
@@Bomber_Boi hey man thanks for reading.what is this "wrong claim" you belive can you elaborate further..id be happy to help
@@mahirahnafmiraz8997 there are multiple ones, with varying degrees of inaccuracies.
Astrology claims
Biology claims
Geology and Meteorology
Zoology
Take your pick
@@Bomber_BoiI don't need to take my pick, pick any claims that you think are fake.
The loud cheering that followed & then the complete silence 😂😂😂
Thales said "All things come from water and all are resolved into water." he never said all living things come from water. this short is full of lies and misrepresentation. and the second atheist said "If you throw enough spaghetti against the wall, some of it's going to stick. you're going to find something that looks prophetic and you gonna go waw, looks at what he said........"
in Islam, you will never discover an unscientific fact. Thales said all things come from water how could Mohammed (sal) specifically said all living things come from water ??
@@ronydidar9220 if god was interested in revealing knowledge through the Quran, why did god reveal that germs caused diseases, that the earth is a round, etc?
@@ronydidar9220 but not all living things come from water either so Mohamed was incorrect
@@ronydidar9220by the way we are not created from water.
@@ronydidar9220actually yes you would, the sun doesn’t set in a muddy pond, the moon was not split in two. There is no firmament, shooting stars are not missiles thrown at demons, semen does not come from between the backbone and the ribs. Want me to go on?
Islam in, brain out
How much does it bother u that Islam keeps growing! Smh I’m gonna have a burger today!
@@Kukhyaati learn some proper English thennnnn, you can probably make a decent comment!
@@strangersprison nah Atheism is growing not Islam
saying a lindu 😂😂
No way a hindu is talking someone who literally worships barn animals
Chickens celebrating what good kfc is
You cant argue with madness, aspecially a religious madness.
IF THALES SAID THAT THAN WHO SAID THIS ALL TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD ?
1.The creation of the universe from a single point (Big Bang)
2.The expansion of the universe
3.The alternating stages of day and night
4.The spherical shape of the Earth
5.The existence of a protective atmosphere
6.The formation of mountains as stabilizers for the Earth's crust
7.The water cycle, including evaporation, condensation, and precipitation
8.The existence of underground water sources and springs
9.The separation between bodies of saltwater and freshwater
10.The existence of a barrier between two seas that prevents them from mixing
11.The formation of lightning and its role in nitrogen fixation
12.The precise calculation of the orbits and movements of celestial bodies
13.The stages of human embryonic development
14.The existence of male and female reproductive fluids
15.The importance of honey as a natural remedy
16.The ability of bees to communicate and build complex hives
17.The healing properties of various plants and fruits
18.The structure of the human body and its intricate design
19.The uniqueness of fingerprints for each individual
20.The correlation between iron and the creation of the Earth
21.The existence of barriers preventing the mixing of different seas and oceans
22.The concept of time dilation and relativity
23.The relationship between sleep and rejuvenation of the body
24.The importance of moderation in diet and lifestyle
25.The balance and harmony in the natural world
26.The symbolism behind the creation of pairs in various aspects of life
27.The recognition of the human ability to think, reason, and reflect
28.The preservation of the Pharaoh's body as a sign for future generations
29.The concept of the soul and its connection to the body
30.The wisdom and guidance found in the Quran itself
AND MANY MORE..........
atheists cant argue or even discuss any thing science, its all a front
100%
Wrong , Quran said it right , Thales said that the *WHOLE UNIVERSE* originated from water
@@MM-pk3rlo, that all life came from water was a view held by many others in that time, too. Also the Quran said the sky opened, no tf it didn’t
….and Mohammed flew on a winged horse to the moon
🤦🤦🤣
Bro it was a donkey not a horse
@@shreeram333Barak was it's name?
who sayed that?
It was a winged beast, with 'the face of a woman and the tail of a peacock' - Al Buraq. It doesn't say horse or donkey, but that's how it's usually drawn.
And somebody said that Muhammad has cuts the moon in half and placed it together again with his sword..
I cant find the proof but its a popular story in my country Indonesia along with this Buraq thing story..
21st century and people still believe in fairytales. Every single religion!
I know but in the big scheme of things 2000 years is nothing. Humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years and our evolutionary ancestors before that. I bet that in the year 20023 they'll be laughing at the silly ancient christians just like we laugh at the silly ancient Greek god worshippers now.
@@TheTruthKiwi absolutely!
@@TheTruthKiwi people already laugh at the silly Christians but yeah good point still
You mean darwinian fairytales? 😂
@@charlessnachez4248 Mr Sanchez I understand religion can be a sensitive issue to some. I studied theology and not just one religion. Charles Darwin did an extensive research and his work is continued to this date with evidence backing it. I referred to scripture as fairytales due to the following claims with no evidence from different religions. I won’t name names but as a religious person you will know whom I speak of: He dropped the stick and it turned to a snake, he flew over the moon on a winged horse and split the moon in half, he split the sea in two, talking bush, talking snake, he walked on water and the list goes on. This is not an argument that can be won by debate or argument but to study both ideas deeply with an open mind then critically analyse both sides of the argument and make an informed decision on what is more likely to be true. Unfortunately fear of hell drilled in people since childhood stops even some of the most intelligent people questioning it. This debate has been going for generations. I doubt either of us can convince the other on this comment section.
Faith is the most self destructive weapon, it's like a sheep believing that their friends will not blindly lead eachother off a cliff.
This is not true, thales said that everything came from water, living and non-living. While the quran states that everything that is LIVING came from water. If the quran were to ever say that everything came from water, there would be a contradictory, as it is also written that iron was rained on earth (which is scientifically true). It has been RECENTLY discovered that all living things came from water, making what thales said be false, and making what the quran states be correct. May allah(SWT) guide you.
@@AminaRandomYou literally admitted in the thing you have wrote that Thales has indeed suggested that life has came out of water first, only to discredit it only because he described the land being involved of what he noted.
If you go and read what Thales has noted he believed water was something that shaped the land and was the one thing that supports all life with him described water as the "Arche" of everything.
Arche is a Philosophical term meaning a few things but to sum it down it basically means "the first in order of importance" which doesn't inherently mean the beginning, it just means the most important.
May logical thinking stop you from gaslighting yourself to believe in something regardless of what people say. 🙏
Everyone when the real facts show up:
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yeah, 1945 came before 7th century.😆🤣😂
he is just showing a clip and also check up who is theles
Up to 60% of the human adult body is water. According to Mitchell and others (1945), the brain and heart are composed of 73% water, and the lungs are about 83% water. The skin contains 64% water, muscles and kidneys are 79%, and even the bones are watery: 31%.
@@LionsHeart3.1.3 The fact I'm referring to is that the theory about life originating from/out of/in water is ancient and has been talked about for thousands of years. It's not an exclusive prophecy or something prophecized by "Gods" messenger mohammad 1400 years ago. Not only by thales(who puts it in a more scientific light), but even older civilisations and tribes too.
Any living person throughout history can observe how important water is to life on this earth, and conclude that "no water" means "no life", and eventually "water must be a prerequisite for life". People acting like this was only known once "Allah/mohammad" revealed his "undeniable version" of it is what's crazy to me.
1945 revealed the facts about how much water the human body contains(and other animals). Which is great but it's not the fact that reveals the hypothesis and theories about life coming from water to be true. F.ex we now know that the liquid in cells and blood is very similar to sea water, we know that the building blocks of life, called the amino acids, can be formed naturally in water by lighting or other energetic phenomenon. This is a fact that brings the theory of life originating from or in water more closer to becoming a fact. Now we need to answer "how did it go from amino acid to RNA, the fundamental unit of advanced life" "how many times did that happen independently? Once? A zillion times?" We don't know because we have no idea what the mechanism is. But that's the way of science, a mechanism(not the mechanism) will reveal itself soon enough, then there will be another mechanism we'll have to figure out. And another etc. We don't know a 100% but putting what we do know into probability gives us a very high probability.
Bro, this argument for Thales is so old and
so many muslim scholars had responded to
it. Your friend Thales have done exactly as
the atheist mentioned, I think you have the
same mentality, he threw many predictions without evidence, or reasonable explanation
like: Thales thought the Earth must be a flat disk
which is floating in an expanse of water. Why did Prophet Muhammed not print this
error too And it is amazing to me that the Prophet Muhammad, who did not know how to read or write in Arabic, was able to read Greek books. The thing that the atheist misunderstood is that the Qur'an said that the origin of every living thing is from water, not the origin of everything from water. There is a difference, because the origin of the earth is not from water, but something flaming, as mentioned in the Qur'an and modern scientific
evidence.
Surah Fussilat:
11. Then He turned towards the sky, and it
was smoke.
@@z-bornie4893 Please stay away from Islam. It's a giant lie. A totalitarian supremacist cult of Muhammad.
1. "he threw many predictions without evidence, or reasonable explanation": Thales was the first person to describe natural phenomena without reference to the gods of mythology. The influence of Thales toward the understanding of Nature is not in his explanations, but the fact that he was the first to ask questions about things as they really are and not wondering about the mythical origin of the world!Thales was an engineer, astronomer, financier, and politician.After a career in politics, Thales turned to the study of natural phenomena and introduced the study of nature to the Greeks. Aristotle wrote that Thales was the founder of natural philosophy.Thales traveled to Egypt, where he learned of geometry. Among his contributions, Thales was the first to prove that a circle was bisected by its diagonal, the first to inscribe a right triangle inside a circle, and recognized that the base angles of an isosceles triangle were equal and that the angles of the vortex of intersecting lines were equal. He measured the height of pyramids by the length of the shadow they cast. Thales introduced geometry to Greece.
Thales also visited Babylonia, where he learned about astronomy. According to Burnet (1920, p. 41), the most remarkable statement of Herodotos was that Thales predicted a solar eclipse during the war between the Lydians and the Medes. What is remarkable is that Thales did not know the cause of solar eclipses, and that therefore Thales could not have known exactly where solar eclipses may occur. Astronomers today give May 28, 585 BCE, as the date of the eclipse.
Thales was the first to discover the period of one solstice to the next. He discovered the seasons, which he divided into 365 days. He was the first to state that the size of the Sun was 1/720 part of the solar orbit just as the Moon was 1/720 part of the lunar orbit. To appreciate these accomplishments one must go back in time to this period and what was known about the solar system. It was obvious by observation that both the Sun and the Moon orbited about the fixed Earth.
Thales wanted to know why things behaved the way they do. Thales was the founder of the philosophy that all of Nature had developed from one source. According to Heraclitus Homericus (540-480 BCE), Thales drew this conclusion from the observation that most things turn into air, slime, and earth. Thales thus proposed that things change from one form to another. Thales observed that water was important in everyday life. Most things were moist. Life needed water for nourishment, and many things lived near water. Thales believed that water was the origin of all things in Nature. To explain earthquakes, he envisioned the earth floating on water. The waves of the water virtually “rocked the boat,” thus causing earthquakes.
Even the first description of static electricity was by Thales of Miletus in the sixth century BCE (Noad, 1859), but the modern science of electricity was not formulated until the eighteenth century.
So to answer your claim: He was a scientist using scientific reasoning. Which means that he would make hypothesis(predictions): proposed explanations made on the basis of limited evidence(observations) as a starting point for further investigation. If it can be further proved, then it becomes a theory: an explanation of a fact, a principle formed as an attempt to explain things that have already been substantiated by data. New evidence should be compatible with the theory, if not, the theory is refined or rejected. A fact is neither, it is what you can observe and measure. So if thales was making predictions without evidence, that's called a making a hypothesis, and he never claimed a hypothesis to be an undeniable fact or a theory and no one claimed they were facts or theories.
2. "Thales thought the earth was a flat disk floating in water. Why did Muhammad not print this error too"?
First of all he didn't think it was flat, he proposed a hypothesis that it was flat based on only what he can observe. He was very clear on pointing out that this was not proof that the earth was flat. Only 100 years later, 500BCE, Empedocles and Anaxagoras offered a new hypothesis and evidence that the earth was round based on observations made of earths shadow on the moon when the earth is between the sun and the moon. As the shadow moves across the moon it's clearly round. In 300BCE aristotle furthered this with evidence by adding the disappearance of ships hull first when they sail over the horizon and the different constellations being visible at different latitudes. In 240BC Erathosthenes was finally able to measure the curvature and circumference of the earth and found out a very accurate estimate of the earths entire size. He was the head librarian of the Library of Alexandria and his work was well known across the world. Ptolemy 3 of Egypt also invited him to tuter his kids. In fact all of these Greek/african philosophers and scientists work was well known and famous at the time. And the library of Alexandria was a hub of learning at the time that attracted scholars from across the known world.
Islamic scriptures imply, adhere to, and describe a flat-Earth cosmography (arranged in a geocentric system) which conceives of the earth as existing in the form of a large plane or disk. While knowledge of the spherical shape of the Earth has existed to a greater or lesser degree since at least the classical Greeks (5th Century BCE), such knowledge prominently entered the Islamic milieu in the 9th century CE when many Greek texts were translated into Arabic for the first time under the sponsorship of the Abbasid caliphate.
Clear descriptions and assumptions made in the Qur'an, hadith, tafsirs, and writings of early Islamic scholars demonstrate that Muhammad and his companions did not know the Earth was spherical but in fact held it to be flat and disk like, and this is the framework within which the Qur'an operates. The later idea that Islamic scriptures themselves indicated a spherical Earth was a creative act of reinterpretation. Similarly, attempts to explain Quranic verses about the earth only in terms of local flatness at a human level are easily challenged by using contextual arguments.
So yes, Muhammad did indeed "print" those errors too.
3. It doesn't matter if muhammad could read or not. His statements and claims are completely wrong, it's not the words of a god it's the words of a man, 2600 years old words of men to be exact. He was also a merchant that traveled, became successful and married his boss and took over the business. Isn't the basic knowledge of numbers a prerequisite to become a sufficient merchant? How do you write Arabic numbers? With letters right? Even the hadiths that Muslims use to proclaim that muhammad couldn't read or write ironically also indicates that he could write. That and more proof that muhammad wasn't illiterate: medium.com/uncorrupted-islam/prophet-muhammad-196e312f82e5
Anyways, the Greeks focused on describing nature without attributing it to any god/gods, they learned a long time ago that religions hinders critical thinking and development. Muhammed on the other hand attempted to play the most ancient game in history: "There's only one God.. My alterego!"
Thales didn't claim that "everything comes from water" he proposed that "all life MIGHT come from water". Muhammad on the other hand didn't propose, he claimed it to be a fact that an angel told him that God told it to tell Muhammad that "every living thing is from water". Earth being made from something flaming or fiery is a well known ancient creation myths involving earthquakes and lava that people saw from volcanos and how it hardens to become rock. Modern scientific evidence suggests that earth was formed when gravity pulled swirling gas and dust in to become the third planet. Then followed by hellish conditions for billions of years until lava cooled down and liquid water started to condense. Compare that to the supposed words of a 7th century "God". The gods words are so vague and primitive, there's no real substance to the context of such claims and just leaves you with more questions and doubt than answers. What's amazing to me is that even when it's proven to believers that they're being fooled, they will double down on the lies.
@@amosfwo4609 wtf. Why did you waste so much of your time writing this scientifically rational argument. The response you're gonna get is probably some mental gymnastics or " this is misunderstanding, it means this not this ". The narrative changes dude to fit there comfort. As science keeps making discoveries they are gonna find ways to connect there holy books to new discoveries.
you can see how close the minds of the audience by how they cheered.
Because they are not ignorant and know the truth
Ignorance is the most powerful weapon against Islam
Thales believed that the principle of everything was water.
he believed that water then changed into earth, air, and fire (or Earth, Wind, & Fire, if you like).
Quran 21:30
. Do the unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, and We split them apart? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not believe?
This is a lie. Thales did not say that all living creatures were created from water. Rather, he said that the origin of the entire universe, from planets, galaxies, stars, etc., was from water, and this is a scientific error. Diogenees Laërtius says about Thales: "His doctrine was that water is the universal primary substance."
On the other hand, the Qur'an contradicts this scientifically wrong view of Thales and says:
Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe ?"
The Qur'an states that every (living thing) is created from water, and not the entire universe, as Thales and Greek philosophers like Anaximander and all ancient civilization said.
And the saying of the Qur'an is a scientific fact that has been discovered only in our time.
Gullible Muslim population trying hard to prove that qoran is a book of science. People around the World already knew Presence of water in human body before mohammad. I don't about others so much but Ancient India knew it. Ancient Indian text Surya Siddhanta on Astrology mentioned about the existence of many planets, their sizes and Dimensions distance. Distance between Earth and Sun. Existence of many Universes and many more. qoran is nothing compared to these Ancient Indian texts
How Ignorant still Muslims are. There are multiple Ancient Indian texts on Human Body, Astrology, Mathematics and more Which were written way before the existence of mohammad. The Ancient Indian writers even knew about the Atoms and it's structure, all the names are in Sanskrit Language. Way before the birth of mohammad the Ancient Indians were writting texts about Astrology, Gravity, Orbits, Multiverse, Atoms. if you compare qoran with Surya Siddhanta, qoran is nothing. qoran doesn't even Deserve to stand before Surya Siddhanta and many other Ancient texts. qoarn is not even a book of science Muslims are just trying hard to interpret the Things in qoran to make it looks like science, this is not a science.
@@NoAh-uh8uw
Of course, cultist.
Thales is a very advanced person for his time. A rich philosopher.
One of the ideas that Thales is best known for is his philosophy about the importance of water. He believed that the principle of everything was water.
[Historical source]
theles said everything originated from water. Not just life.😆😂🤣
Iron came from water?😆😂🤣
Was*
@@LionsHeart3.1.3 brother, you need to read again thales statement, I think your way of understanding is not good.
@@abhishektripathi8654
He directly said, everything came from water.
Not only that, that Anti-scince guy said earth is on water.💀
Prove me wrong.
@@LionsHeart3.1.3
It's going to be on fire soon
"Yes we are able to proportion his fingertips" in Surah Al-Qiyammah Why did Allãh use this part of the body to answer the disbelievers..? people at that time wouldn't notice! Now we know, yet another miracle of the Quran fingerprints are unique for each person. So many signs from the all knowing the almighty God.
Jazakallah Khair ❤
Elaborate
He:life was created out of water.
Also him : beleives a man named Adam was spawned by God.
Ok so we evolved from monkeys.
But who were the first HUMANS? Not the first monkeys whom you claim we share ancestors with, who were the first ever HOMOSAPIENS? Let’s say they evolved from monkeys to humans. If they had the same ancestor, how did they evolve into two completely different species? Now you don’t have to believe the first ever humans were Adam and Eve, but there had to be at least two or more humans in the beginning of mankind to reproduce and continue the species
We Muslim are not against maybe 90% evolution things about creations of god except human evolution.
Because in our theology only about human creation is discussed about.
@@GlobRes scientific theory stands until proven wrong .
@@GlobRes your concept of evolution doesn't make any sense nor does it will make any sense in future.
Darwinian or neo Darwin evolutionary concept of survival of fittest or branching decent doesn't make any sense.
So according to your hypothesis (Oprin and haldine) we evolve from abiotic material and then after a series of events those abiotic things convert into prokaryotic cells and further more into eukaryotes.
And after billions or millions of years those eukaryotes cells developed into higher organisms like dinosaur and Guess what Around 66 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period, an asteroid struck the Earth, triggering a mass extinction that killed off the dinosaurs and some 75% of all species. Somehow mammals survived, thrived, and became dominant across the planet,
Especially those who were smaller than mouse .
And Instead of evolving into larger size animals like t-rex they evolve into cats, dogs,lions ,1350cc brain capacity homo sapiens etc etc because they look cute and our earth was lonely...😂😂
So your group of people think that the universe itself has godly power or power beyond our understanding or power to do these things(creations of life or evolution s) or we can say that you think universe itself is god.
And our theology suggests that no, universe does not have that power by itself but there is Allah who is beyond our understanding, beyond time and space,beyond known and unknown universe, omnipotent,self sufficient,Not any specific form or size .He is the one from his command these things come to existence lets say He started the big bang to begin the universe. my Allah has power to create any thing from non existence.
He is the first and last thread of the bead chain, from his command every thing comes to existence..
We both believe in god but different one.
For you god is universe itself and for us god is above and beyond universe.
👍
If our concept will become wrong which is never gonna be wrong.
We will lose nothing but think about it, what you hypothesis will become wrong what are you gonna do in after life which is eternal..
Angels are gonna laugh at you and your evolutionary concept and denial of our creator 😂😂😂😂
how ur drop of water turning into a baby... doesn't make sense right...why science can't able to create a human 💩💩💩💩
Third guy was on point fr
no he is not, if one or two things stick out out of dozens of sayings then this might have been a lucky guess. but none of the scientific points mentioned in the holy Quran is false.
1- Islamic belief Is All about cleanliness in rituals (es: ablution) and non-rituals (es: eating) in the Life of Muslim 24/24, so It Is in a sense It is a proto-germ theory.
2- Thales or Talete (i'm Italian btw) said in his essay on the "Archè" that all physical things were made of water, he was a naturalist, for him Planet Earth Is made of solid water and It floats on liquid water. Aristotele criticized Him on this and the other principia.
3- in only One single verse recited in that verse of the Quran, there Is the Origin of the Universe, the Big Bang and the Origin of Life.
Have you read the quran?
Third guys point was the worst.
@@androidemulation5952 several are, that's a completely wrong statement. Here's a few examples.
1: The Qur’an state that humans were created instantaneously from mud or clay. There is no indication that the author is aware of the evolution of human life over millions of years nor our common ancestry with apes and primates.
15:26
2:117
2: The moon does not emit its own light but simply reflects light coming from the Sun. The Arabic word for reflected (in`ikaas) does not appear in this Qur'anic verse that says the Moon is a "light". It instead uses the word "Noor" which is used to denote an entity that emits light. The word "Noor" is also used in this verse to show that Allah is the "light" of the universe. Clearly the author is not implying that Allah reflects light from another source but is the source of the light.
71:16
24:35
3: The author of the Qur'an describes the formation of a human embryo from fluids emanating from the man (and possibly also of the woman). This reflects the contemporary, but incorrect, view that the embryo is initially formed out of semen stored in the womb. In fact, semen is the vehicle for the sperm cells, one of which fuses with a woman's ovum in her fallopian tube, and the resulting cell divides and travels back into the womb for implantation. While English translations mention a "drop of seed", or "drop of sperm", the Arabic word in question literally means a small amount of liquid, a euphemism for semen.
77:20-22
80:18-19
76:2
4: Some of the highest death tolls from natural disasters in the last decade were in Muslim countries. In fact, natural disasters do not differentiate between Muslim or non-Muslim nations nor are they controlled by a divine being. Earth quakes are extremely common along tectonic fault lines and are not a punishment for human behavior but the byproduct of natural forces. The Qur'anic author perpetuates an unscientific understanding of his phenomena in there verses.
16:45
29:37
5: Bees feed on nectar and pollen. However, the Qur'an relates that bees consume fruit.
16:68-69
6: Muslims claim that Al-Aqsa mosque is mentioned in the Qur'an as the furthest mosque, even though there was obviously no mosque in Jerusalem during Muhammad's time.
17:1
7: Some animals such as the jaguar, leopard, and panda are well known for being solitary creatures, rarely meeting in pairs and only to mate. They do not live in communities and routinely fight each other over territory.
6:38
8: The story of Dhul-Qarnayn says that a tribe is trapped behind a massive wall of Iron. According to the Qur'an, these two beast tribes concealed themselves behind this metal wall and will only be let free on the day of Judgement. Obviously, no such wall has ever been found nor is there a tribe somewhere on earth trapped behind it.
21:96
I don't think being religious is bad but please don't take religious text as scintific...
The silence sounds louder.
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section tales said that all things are water not all things were created by water so ....
@@7years6months3days5hours7min so if Allah made every living being from water, why did he make Adam from clay???
Is Adam not a living being?
I thought Quran was perfect 😂😂 why contradiction then?
@@abhinavsingh3228 voila this is what I wanted to say from the begining the verse never said livivng creatures are made entirely from water but said are made from water so the water enters in their structures but what did Thales said is not what they said in the video he literally said everything is water without talking about false informations that he told us so how did the quran made 100% true ?
@@7years6months3days5hours7min quran is comtrqdictory. Hence false
@@abhinavsingh3228 did you even read my argument ?
"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence." - Charles Bukowski
They made the audience shutdown.
IF THALES SAID THAT THAN WHO SAID THIS ALL TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD ?
1.The creation of the universe from a single point (Big Bang)
2.The expansion of the universe
3.The alternating stages of day and night
4.The spherical shape of the Earth
5.The existence of a protective atmosphere
6.The formation of mountains as stabilizers for the Earth's crust
7.The water cycle, including evaporation, condensation, and precipitation
8.The existence of underground water sources and springs
9.The separation between bodies of saltwater and freshwater
10.The existence of a barrier between two seas that prevents them from mixing
11.The formation of lightning and its role in nitrogen fixation
12.The precise calculation of the orbits and movements of celestial bodies
13.The stages of human embryonic development
14.The existence of male and female reproductive fluids
15.The importance of honey as a natural remedy
16.The ability of bees to communicate and build complex hives
17.The healing properties of various plants and fruits
18.The structure of the human body and its intricate design
19.The uniqueness of fingerprints for each individual
20.The correlation between iron and the creation of the Earth
21.The existence of barriers preventing the mixing of different seas and oceans
22.The concept of time dilation and relativity
23.The relationship between sleep and rejuvenation of the body
24.The importance of moderation in diet and lifestyle
25.The balance and harmony in the natural world
26.The symbolism behind the creation of pairs in various aspects of life
27.The recognition of the human ability to think, reason, and reflect
28.The preservation of the Pharaoh's body as a sign for future generations
29.The concept of the soul and its connection to the body
30.The wisdom and guidance found in the Quran itself
AND MANY MORE..........
The first guy will continue to use his debunked claim no matter what.
you all are idiots you know , you didn't even care to double check the claim that someone said it 2500 year ago ? ,
did you read what the phylosopher said ? to confirm if he truly said life came from.water ? neh you just jumping at excuses to feel good about being a sad atheist.
- if you believe a boat can build it self and than sale all by it self ,you are the retarded one .
- you think unconscious matter created the conscious beings.
but you will soon know anyway what's life 70years to 90years ?less ? it will end in a flash ,and you have no one but yourselves to blame for disbelieving in your creator .
@@faycalhellrock Religions are what retard progress and make smart people do stupid things. Your comment is a perfect example.
❌🤦♂️This is a lie. Thales did not say that all living creatures were created from water. Rather, he said that the origin of the entire universe, from planets, galaxies, stars, etc., was from water, and this is a scientific error. Diogenees Laërtius says about Thales: “His doctrine was that water is the universal primary substance.”
✅ On the other hand, the Qur'an contradicts this scientifically wrong view of Thales and says:
" *Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe* ?"
The Qur’an states that every (living thing) is created from water, and not the entire universe, as Thales and Greek philosophers like Anaximander and all ancient civilization said.
And the saying of the Qur’an is a scientific fact that has been discovered only in our time.
💠The Jewish physicist *Schroeder* testifies to this when he said: " *All life on Earth is water based. No water, no life, but with water, life was possible* ."
💠Even the famous atheist Richard Dawkins testified to this fact.
We also note that the Qur’an explicitly refers to the heavens and the earth as one entity, which is in clear agreement with the basis of the Big Bang theory that we discovered only in this era. 🌍🌌
What is more surprising is that the Qur’an did not just mention that, but added that in the early stages of the creation of the universe there was smoke:
[ *Then he directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke* and said to it and to the earth,” Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion They said, "We have come willingly” ]
This contradicts the belief prevailing in many ancient nations that the origin of the universe is water🌊. It is the ancient Egyptian conception and the civilizations of Mesopotamia and the ancient Greeks, and it is also the conception adopted by the Christians in (2 Peter 3:5):
“ *the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water* .”
🔺And what the Qur’an came with here is amazing, not only because it contradicts the culture of the time, but because it goes in a complete opposite to that culture.
💠The famous atheist physicist Stephen Hawking said: “ *You could say that we are made of the smoke of the big dunk* .”
💠The astronomers working at the Herschel Space Observatory said: “A cosmic dust consist of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. *It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke* .”
🔸So, please tell me, how did an illiterate man in an ignorant desert environment that knows neither reading nor writing nor science learned these scientific facts?
To clarify, my belief as a Muslim is not based only on one scientific fact that exists here or there in the Qur’an, but is based first on the truthfulness of the content of the Qur’an from the pure monotheism of God, consistent with reason and sound logic, which is not found in any other religious book.
And I also believed because of the continuous and unequivocal historical testimonies of the sincerity of the Messenger of Islam, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace. And on the doctrinal, moral and Sharia facts that regulate our lives to the fullest.
📚 And on the rhetorical miracle of the Qur’an, the Qur’an challenges people to produce even a small surah similar to the Qur’an, and this challenge persists to this day:
“ *And if you are in doubt about what we have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sûrah like it and call your helpers other than Allah
But if you are unable to do so-and you will never be able to do so-then fear the Fire fueled with people and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers* ”
I also believed in the message of Islam because the Qur’an speaks of scientific facts that could not be discovered by anyone 200 years ago, let alone 1400 years ago. The objector should explain the existence of about 1000 verses in the Qur’an that talk about the natural manifestations of our universe, and there is not a single scientific error!!! We do not find in the Qur’an a trace of the superstitions of the seventh century among the pagans and others. Rather, the Qur’an came superior to that culture, condemning it and showing the truth. And you should explain why the Qur’an did not transmit the myths of the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Talmud, the Targum, the Madrashas, and the myths of the Egyptians, Persians and Greeks, even though you claim that the Qur’an stole from them all these scientific sayings!!!?
@@SeekerOfTruth5 then your a fool
@@SeekerOfTruth5 I must prepare myself then. Your post did not convince me. My original post stands even stronger because of you.
Ancient Hindu scriptures laughing in the corner
Yes, by submerged in cow urine
because they're just as stupid?
you guys believe the earth is being held up by 4 elephants on a turtles back your religion debunked itself
The only thing that the ancient Hindu scribtures would laugh is that they didn't knew anything yet😂😂
Look how all the penguins are happy and clapping.
@Gaas_The-chews-again1
Don't worry he got a toilet in his home.He don't shit on street or in peoples mind.
This was just a theory by Thales unlike the statement made in the Quran . He also made many mistakes such as believing that the earth floated on water and this was the cause of earthquakes. Now learn what the Quran says about mountains and earthquakes .
Somebody needs to learn the difference between everything and every living thing.
Your so called intellectual lied there
Yall say islam opresses when yojr here calling muslims penguins. Why do i even bother trying to prove anything to yall
He shutdown the entire room. Stop cheering and rethink what you want to believe.
This is a lie. Thales did not say that all living creatures were created from water. Rather, he said that the origin of the entire universe, from planets, galaxies, stars, etc., was from water, and this is a scientific error. Diogenees Laërtius says about Thales: "His doctrine was that water is the universal primary substance."
On the other hand, the Qur'an contradicts this scientifically wrong view of Thales and says:
Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe ?"
The Qur'an states that every (living thing) is created from water, and not the entire universe, as Thales and Greek philosophers like Anaximander and all ancient civilization said.
And the saying of the Qur'an is a scientific fact that has been discovered only in our time.
@@saleemdurrani1 the Quran also say seman if produced between the back bone and ribs. Is the Quran scientific on that also?
How about the moon split in two by Mohammad? Any evidence for that one?
@@defenestratefalsehoods Where in Quraan?
@@saleemdurrani1 86.6 - .7
˹They were˺ created from a spurting fluid, stemming from between the backbone and the ribcage.
@@saleemdurrani1 i take it that you havent read the book.
23.13- 14 is also a false statement. It claims without an egg that the sperm developed the drop into a clinging clot ˹of blood˺, then developed the clot into a lump ˹of flesh˺, then developed the lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh,
I love audience silence lol
What did Thales say exactly?
IF THALES SAID THAT THAN WHO SAID THIS ALL TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD ?
1.The creation of the universe from a single point (Big Bang)
2.The expansion of the universe
3.The alternating stages of day and night
4.The spherical shape of the Earth
5.The existence of a protective atmosphere
6.The formation of mountains as stabilizers for the Earth's crust
7.The water cycle, including evaporation, condensation, and precipitation
8.The existence of underground water sources and springs
9.The separation between bodies of saltwater and freshwater
10.The existence of a barrier between two seas that prevents them from mixing
11.The formation of lightning and its role in nitrogen fixation
12.The precise calculation of the orbits and movements of celestial bodies
13.The stages of human embryonic development
14.The existence of male and female reproductive fluids
15.The importance of honey as a natural remedy
16.The ability of bees to communicate and build complex hives
17.The healing properties of various plants and fruits
18.The structure of the human body and its intricate design
19.The uniqueness of fingerprints for each individual
20.The correlation between iron and the creation of the Earth
21.The existence of barriers preventing the mixing of different seas and oceans
22.The concept of time dilation and relativity
23.The relationship between sleep and rejuvenation of the body
24.The importance of moderation in diet and lifestyle
25.The balance and harmony in the natural world
26.The symbolism behind the creation of pairs in various aspects of life
27.The recognition of the human ability to think, reason, and reflect
28.The preservation of the Pharaoh's body as a sign for future generations
29.The concept of the soul and its connection to the body
30.The wisdom and guidance found in the Quran itself
AND MANY MORE..........
That's what will happen when a brahmin(pandit) also get debunk😂
@@hail___satan BHAGESHWARI BABA 😂😂😂
@@seotgaming9693 yep bruh🤣🤣🤣
Bro made that whole room go very very quiet
Bro made a big fat lie. Thales not just say living things made only of water. And his language where it's written is dead language long before prophet Muhammad s a w born. In the desert of Arabia where there is harshly some water a person could guess that every life came from water
They should be though, his counter argument is stupid. Quraan never claimed to be the first source of this info. Its true that you can find some correct info in each old book, but its an impossible coincidence that all the info mentioned in one book are true, like the case of quraan
Plus, funny how he skipped the first point in the verse which implied the Big Bang as the beginning of the universe, which is arguably an even more profound thing to be revealed 1440 years ago.
❌❌❌❌🤦♂️This is a lie. Thales did not say that all living creatures were created from water. Rather, he said that the origin of the entire universe, from planets, galaxies, stars, etc., was from water, and this is a scientific error. Diogenees Laërtius says about Thales: “His doctrine was that water is the universal primary substance.”
✅ On the other hand, the Qur'an contradicts this scientifically wrong view of Thales and says:
" *Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe* ?"
The Qur’an states that every (living thing) is created from water, and not the entire universe, as Thales and Greek philosophers like Anaximander and all ancient civilization said.
And the saying of the Qur’an is a scientific fact that has been discovered only in our time.
💠The Jewish physicist *Schroeder* testifies to this when he said: " *All life on Earth is water based. No water, no life, but with water, life was possible* ."
💠Even the famous atheist Richard Dawkins testified to this fact.
We also note that the Qur’an explicitly refers to the heavens and the earth as one entity, which is in clear agreement with the basis of the Big Bang theory that we discovered only in this era. 🌍🌌
What is more surprising is that the Qur’an did not just mention that, but added that in the early stages of the creation of the universe there was smoke:
[ *Then he directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke* and said to it and to the earth,” Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion They said, "We have come willingly” ]
This contradicts the belief prevailing in many ancient nations that the origin of the universe is water🌊. It is the ancient Egyptian conception and the civilizations of Mesopotamia and the ancient Greeks, and it is also the conception adopted by the Christians in (2 Peter 3:5):
“ *the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water* .”
🔺And what the Qur’an came with here is amazing, not only because it contradicts the culture of the time, but because it goes in a complete opposite to that culture.
💠The famous atheist physicist Stephen Hawking said: “ *You could say that we are made of the smoke of the big bang* .”
💠The astronomers working at the Herschel Space Observatory said: “A cosmic dust consist of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. *It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke* .”
🔸So, please tell me, how did an illiterate man in an ignorant desert environment that knows neither reading nor writing nor science learned these scientific facts?
To clarify, my belief as a Muslim is not based only on one scientific fact that exists here or there in the Qur’an, but is based first on the truthfulness of the content of the Qur’an from the pure monotheism of God, consistent with reason and sound logic, which is not found in any other religious book.
And I also believed because of the continuous and unequivocal historical testimonies of the sincerity of the Messenger of Islam, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace. And on the doctrinal, moral and Sharia facts that regulate our lives to the fullest.
📚 And on the rhetorical miracle of the Qur’an, the Qur’an challenges people to produce even a small surah similar to the Qur’an, and this challenge persists to this day:
“ *And if you are in doubt about what we have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sûrah like it and call your helpers other than Allah
But if you are unable to do so-and you will never be able to do so-then fear the Fire fueled with people and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers* ”
I also believed in the message of Islam because the Qur’an speaks of scientific facts that could not be discovered by anyone 200 years ago, let alone 1400 years ago. The objector should explain the existence of about 1000 verses in the Qur’an that talk about the natural manifestations of our universe, and there is not a single scientific error!!! We do not find in the Qur’an a trace of the superstitions of the seventh century among the pagans and others. Rather, the Qur’an came superior to that culture, condemning it and showing the truth. And you should explain why the Qur’an did not transmit the myths of the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Talmud, the Targum, the Madrashas, and the myths of the Egyptians, Persians and Greeks, even though you claim that the Qur’an stole from them all these scientific sayings!!!?
@@hosamhosam9204 Thats because you assign those verses to scientific discoveries made later and go look!!! The quran alreasy said that!! When in fact they have nothing to do with each other.
bro i know arabic and i swear i saw Shiekhs claiming islam was right because the quran stated that " the deep of the sea is dark "
its literally an information that a 6 year old who sees the sea would know
It is even told in Hinduism 10 avatars(incarnations) first is matasya avatar which is fish god, so dthis doesn't mean we should start claiming everything comes out of Hinduism. Respect science.
@@Kukhyaati i didn't disrespected science
Just dont claim like idiots like islamists do
well muslims are known ignorants to science and scolars .take a close look in history ,before islam arabs collected knowledge after islam -lets burn down libraries ,universities and instituitions such as churches or temples ,or remnants of other dead civilisations such as pyramids .
You didn't get the point here. what THALES said or advocated all them
are not scientifically true, but What Qur'an said all of them are true.
How can that happen? That is the question that you need to ask.
@@shabeerali1256 bro Muhammad was carrying the legacy of christians and jews , even your adam is not yours its jewish,
If knew everything why didn't he told about oil in saudi arabia, he also said many wrong things like sperm comes from hips area or bones etc
Dont make fool out of yourself.
You people dont know arabic just come here with translations
And what about the big bang theory? They discovered that too? Did they discover how babies are made in the womp? Did they know that we feel pain because of our skin?
There many more facts but it says in the Quran "it's not the eyes that are blind but the hearts"
meanwhile ancient Greece and ancient India laughing in the corner.
Yup
Some people try to link Vishnu avatars to evolution like wtf😅
@@Sathish_12 it is “symbolism”
@@riteshraj3918 Seriously bruh😂😂 you worship a god who has the head of an elephant and you are here to talk about science 😂😂
@@user-ey7lv4gs6b it's just a face of a god nothing scientific in it. There are many things written in hindi texts which are now agreed by scientists if you look you would find on internet.
Well he humbled them pretty quickly 😂😂
HUMBLED ? he is clown
Thales thought that ALL things were made of water. But the Quran states that LIVING things are made of water, not ALL things.
@@agentwarroom0001 yeah fools like them explicitly forgets this part cuz that is what convenient for them😂😂
May Allah guide them in the right path.
@@ssh.1337 sorry I don't believe in magic
@@moostache8918 I don't either
Madrasa students were so happy and clapped thinking that there wouldn’t be any reply.
The bro didn't debunk the sky and earth was once one.
Prove sky and heaven was once one.@@gencobra5803
@@gencobra5803
Are madarachap sky koi cheej nahi hai wo Khali space hai
Lol he was wrong about the belief of thales. Do some research..... honestly you people just blindly follow athiests, don't you. His so called debunk has been debunked by many people kid, read the comments carefully.
@@Jjjjhhhjjj-sd9hm the stars,the nebulaes,the galaxies, and the ozone layer watching you say this answer :🥲🥲
They conveniently avoid mentioning Vishnu puran 😂
What does it say ?
@@heythere955410 Avatars of Vishnu explain how life originated from water and evolved. Darwin's theory run parallel to Hindu evolution theory the difference is Hindu evolution theory is Human centric whereas Darwin explored other species.
@@darkerthanblack500
There is stuff in the Puranas which contradicts science....like the tubes of air from moon to clouds
Vishnu Purana 2.9.8-18 “…
The sun with his scorching rays absorbs the moisture of the earth, and with them nourishes the moon. The moon communicates, through tubes of air, its dews to the clouds, which, being composed of smoke, fire, and wind (or vapour), can retain the waters with which they are charged: they are therefore called Abhras, because their contents are not dispersed When however they are broken to pieces by the wind, then watery stores descend, bland, and freed front every impurity by the sweetening process of time…” Tr. H.H. Wilson
It's not human centric. if it's human centric there it's not evolution theory. all avatars have animals features from water, ground, mammal up to enlightened human beings. human is also an animal don't forget it.
yes vedas is laughing becoz in vedas it is mentioned that
ram married when sita was 6 yrs old,,
draupadi was used by 5 brothers,,
purana says shudars limbs are to be cutoff if he hits brahaman,,
niyogi means to impregnate another persons wife and many more.😅
Life is NOT made out of water, it was made in water. There is a universe of difference between those statements.
@Rifinõ that is a completely meaningless statement since without carbon there would be no life, without nitrogen there would be no life, with out energy there would be no life, etc., etc. Why didn't the "all knowing" god mention carbon, the foundation of organic matter? Before you say he had to keep it simple for the people of the time, first, an omnipotent, omniscient god could surely find a way to explain chemistry to barbarians, no? Second, "You know those black chunks you find after you have a fire, well, that is the fundamental building block for all living things." I guess I would have been a better god than god.
The bible is so poorly written with ambiguity beyond belief, that it allows you to interpret it in almost any way. Just look at the ridiculous number of christian denominations, some with pretty extreme beliefs.
To top it off, the stories in the bible lack any reasonable sense of logic. God is loving and just, but he goes around killing his creation in hoards. He is all powerful, but it took him billions of years to "create" the universe and the creatures within. He is all knowing, but he created the being that would turn humanity against him. The bible is fiction at its worst.
❌🤦♂️This is a lie. Thales did not say that all living creatures were created from water. Rather, he said that the origin of the entire universe, from planets, galaxies, stars, etc., was from water, and this is a scientific error. Diogenees Laërtius says about Thales: “His doctrine was that water is the universal primary substance.”
✅ On the other hand, the Qur'an contradicts this scientifically wrong view of Thales and says:
" *Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe* ?"
The Qur’an states that every (living thing) is created from water, and not the entire universe, as Thales and Greek philosophers like Anaximander and all ancient civilization said.
And the saying of the Qur’an is a scientific fact that has been discovered only in our time.
💠The Jewish physicist *Schroeder* testifies to this when he said: " *All life on Earth is water based. No water, no life, but with water, life was possible* ."
💠Even the famous atheist Richard Dawkins testified to this fact.
We also note that the Qur’an explicitly refers to the heavens and the earth as one entity, which is in clear agreement with the basis of the Big Bang theory that we discovered only in this era. 🌍🌌
What is more surprising is that the Qur’an did not just mention that, but added that in the early stages of the creation of the universe there was smoke:
[ *Then he directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke* and said to it and to the earth,” Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion They said, "We have come willingly” ]
This contradicts the belief prevailing in many ancient nations that the origin of the universe is water🌊. It is the ancient Egyptian conception and the civilizations of Mesopotamia and the ancient Greeks, and it is also the conception adopted by the Christians in (2 Peter 3:5):
“ *the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water* .”
🔺And what the Qur’an came with here is amazing, not only because it contradicts the culture of the time, but because it goes in a complete opposite to that culture.
💠The famous atheist physicist Stephen Hawking said: “ *You could say that we are made of the smoke of the big bang* .”
💠The astronomers working at the Herschel Space Observatory said: “A cosmic dust consist of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. *It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke* .”
🔸So, please tell me, how did an illiterate man in an ignorant desert environment that knows neither reading nor writing nor science learned these scientific facts?
To clarify, my belief as a Muslim is not based only on one scientific fact that exists here or there in the Qur’an, but is based first on the truthfulness of the content of the Qur’an from the pure monotheism of God, consistent with reason and sound logic, which is not found in any other religious book.
And I also believed because of the continuous and unequivocal historical testimonies of the sincerity of the Messenger of Islam, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace. And on the doctrinal, moral and Sharia facts that regulate our lives to the fullest.
📚 And on the rhetorical miracle of the Qur’an, the Qur’an challenges people to produce even a small surah similar to the Qur’an, and this challenge persists to this day:
“ *And if you are in doubt about what we have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sûrah like it and call your helpers other than Allah
But if you are unable to do so-and you will never be able to do so-then fear the Fire fueled with people and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers* ”
I also believed in the message of Islam because the Qur’an speaks of scientific facts that could not be discovered by anyone 200 years ago, let alone 1400 years ago. The objector should explain the existence of about 1000 verses in the Qur’an that talk about the natural manifestations of our universe, and there is not a single scientific error!!! We do not find in the Qur’an a trace of the superstitions of the seventh century among the pagans and others. Rather, the Qur’an came superior to that culture, condemning it and showing the truth. And you should explain why the Qur’an did not transmit the myths of the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Talmud, the Targum, the Madrashas, and the myths of the Egyptians, Persians and Greeks, even though you claim that the Qur’an stole from them all these scientific sayings!!!?
@@SeekerOfTruth5 it is quite humorous to me when muslims reimagine verses of qur'an to fit with modern science. You take the words to mean what they do not. The universe was not and is not smoke. Just because a few well known scientists used the word smoke, doesn't mean it is literally true. Look at their technical explanations if you want accuracy. Or you can continue to cherry pick random statements that fit your narrative and pretend that your uneducated barbarian master was touched by a magic man from the sky.
I don't disbelieve the qur'an because of its scientific errors, but rather because of the complete lack of corroborating evidence of the supernatural component described within. I have also read about how your religion embraced science by ending the Golden Age of Arabic Science with violence and superstitions. Muslims would have led the scientific revolution if your religious leaders hadn't recognized that increased knowledge held by the people invariably results in less power and control by the ruling class. They realized that to retain their power, they would have to end free, rational thought and control the beliefs of the herd.
If you want to come close to convincing me that the qur'an is scientifically accurate and that muslims embrace science, apply it to all aspects of your existence.
And also, change your approach to indoctrination. As long as you continue to indoctrinate children before their brain develops the capacity for rational and logical thought, I will not take you or your religion seriously. Putting fear in toddlers is not the way of logic and science and it signifies a lack of resolve in your beliefs. I would like to see a few generations with no indoctrination before the age of 20, teaching them only known facts and proven theories. I am reasonably confident that we would see the death of religion and a new age of enlightenment. Unfortunately, that will never happen because religion and ignorance breed power and those with it will not let go.
One final thought for you to dismiss, as do all other muslims I encounter, what is man (humans) made of. This should be fairly simple for an omniscient god, but he seems to have a bit of trouble in this area.
@Rifinõ
The Poetry of Creation, Rig Veda, Book 10, Hymn 129
Written around 4,000 years ago, the poem recognises water as the prerequisite for creation of all life on Earth and alludes to an immense source of heat or energy from which water arose.
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Arabic medicine was founded on the translations from the Sanskrit treatise, made by command of the Kaliphs of Baghdad, 750-960 AD. European medicine, down to the 17th Century, was based upon the Arabic; and the name of the Indian physician Charaka repeatedly occurs in the Latin translations.” ~ Sir William Hunter, British Historian.
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“It is more important to prevent the occurrence of disease than to seek a cure.” ~ Acharya Charaka, the ‘Father of Medicine’.
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“The surgery of the ancient Indian physicians was bold and skilful. A special branch of surgery was dedicated to rhinoplasty or operations for improving deformed ears, noses and forming new ones, which European surgeons have borrowed.” ~ Sir William Hunter.
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India - the land of Vedas, the remarkable works contain not only religious ideas for a perfect life, but also facts which science has proved true. Electricity, radium, electronics, airship, all were known to the seers who founded the Vedas.
~ Wheeler Wilcox.
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Gravitation was known to the Indians before the birth of Newton. The system of blood circulation was discovered by them centuries before Harvey was heard of.
~ P. Johnstone
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"India was China's teacher in religion and imaginative literature, and the world's teacher in trigonometry, quadratic equations, grammar, phonetics, Arabian Nights, animal fables, chess and philosophy." - The Wisdom of China and India Lin Yutang, p. 3-4
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“Is it not probable that the Brahmins were the first legislators of the earth, the first philosophers, the first theologians ? The Greeks, before the time of Pythagoras, travelled into India for instruction.”
~ Voltaire.
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Nearly all the philosophical and mathematical doctrines attributed to Pythagoras are derived from India. ~ Ludwig von Shroeder
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"It is true that even across the Himalayan barrier India has sent to the West, such gifts as grammar and logic, philosophy, fables, hypnotism and chess, and above all numerals and the decimal system.” Will Durant - American Historian.
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The oldest Greek writers, observes Sir William Jones, allow that their mythologies were not their own invention (As. Res. III. 467) ; and it is now certain that the early divinities and legends of Greece were the same that were possessed by their brethren in India. If Hegel calls the discovery of the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit the discovery of a new world, the same may be said with regard to the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit mythology “ The legends of the Old Testament - Thomas Lumisden Strange.
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"The history of how Indian fairy tales and fables migrated from one country to another to nearly all the people of Europe and Asia and even to African tribes from their original home in India borders on the marvellous. It is not a case of single stories finding their way by way of mouth ..... from India to other countries but of whole Indian books becoming through the medium of translations the common property of the world .... many fairy tales current among the most various people can be traced to their original home in India - A.A.Macdonell".
@@SeekerOfTruth5
You should put that in the main comment section 👍
I love it when religious fanatics just get it wrong
You must love early and often
@@justins5225 Beat me to the gist of what my comment would have been :)
What did he get wrong? lol his religious book says life comes from water, and so it does.
@@ratatoskr9366 everything is created from water in the Bible.
Water is blessing and life.
Hell is absence of water.
This knowledge is so much older then the coran.
@@povoq83 Well 1. We're not talking about the Bible, we're talking about the Quran
And 2. Yes I know, but the Quran is just stating that fact, so what exactly is the Quran "getting wrong".
As a christian, this is a w atheist
He isn’t debating about Islam or Christianity, he is sayin wheaten your god is false or not, W no god you mean?
@@aryanaijaz2110 nah I just don't like Islam
@@MinstrelEmpire okay 👍
@@MinstrelEmpireOf course you don’t, what a loser! 😂
@@MinstrelEmpirethen you aren’t christian lmao, actually follow its values or stop pretending to be one
Also one of the most important ingredient for life is carbon which you do not find in water(H2O).
Did Allah tell Muhammad that?
@@generalassembly915 are you atheist???
@@Gughgcufg8gig 100%
You find it in the bible though: "From ash you have come and to ash you shall return"
@@manoflowmoralvalue1560 Yeah but there is no sulphur in ashes which is also important ingredient for life.
Muslims: *angry C4 noises*
Loooooooooool
You didn't need to do us like that 😅😅
It never ceases to amazes me that they use their religious texts as fact 🤦🏾♂️
*Well it is science; it's impossible by science for one specie to birth another while it's very scientifically possible to do Genetic Engineering by granting sight, taste, hearing, body shape etc. as Allah (SWT) has granted.*
*And atheist soon realises how science is his weakness once he meets The Muslim.*
@@Only_God_Is_Allah_SWTyou have a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution
Cause it is facts
The point of scientific facts in the Quran is to prove God’s existence and also to get to know Him and the world around us, better. Yes he may have said the same thing. But since when did it became a race? For example: Thales also said earth was flat and floats on water. Quran didn’t copy that. Quran said earth was neither flat or spherical; it was like an ostrich egg. Islam never mentioned earth floats on water
Why do you lie?
Flat Earth
The Earth is flat; the Qur'anic verses 15:19, 20:53, 43:10, 50:7, 51:48, 71:19, 78:6, 79:30, 88:20 and 91:6 all clearly state this and not a single verse in the Qur'an hints to a spherical earth.
@@fitzburg63”clearly” 😂😂 are you a quran scholar?
@@fitzburg63spreading out doesnt mean it’s flat
@@fitzburg63spread out means to expanse, to extend. It doesn’t mean ‘flatten’. Quran also says ‘ostrich egg’, ‘rolling’ and ‘wrapping’
This is not true, thales said that everything came from water, living and non-living. While the quran states that everything that is LIVING came from water. If the quran were to ever say that everything came from water, there would be a contradictory, as it is also written that iron was rained on earth (which is scientifically true). It has been RECENTLY discovered that all living things came from water, making what thales said be false, and making what the quran states be correct. May allah(SWT) guide you.
From when have scientists started arguing with zombies.😂
IF THALES SAID THAT THAN WHO SAID THIS ALL TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD ?
1.The creation of the universe from a single point (Big Bang)
2.The expansion of the universe
3.The alternating stages of day and night
4.The spherical shape of the Earth
5.The existence of a protective atmosphere
6.The formation of mountains as stabilizers for the Earth's crust
7.The water cycle, including evaporation, condensation, and precipitation
8.The existence of underground water sources and springs
9.The separation between bodies of saltwater and freshwater
10.The existence of a barrier between two seas that prevents them from mixing
11.The formation of lightning and its role in nitrogen fixation
12.The precise calculation of the orbits and movements of celestial bodies
13.The stages of human embryonic development
14.The existence of male and female reproductive fluids
15.The importance of honey as a natural remedy
16.The ability of bees to communicate and build complex hives
17.The healing properties of various plants and fruits
18.The structure of the human body and its intricate design
19.The uniqueness of fingerprints for each individual
20.The correlation between iron and the creation of the Earth
21.The existence of barriers preventing the mixing of different seas and oceans
22.The concept of time dilation and relativity
23.The relationship between sleep and rejuvenation of the body
24.The importance of moderation in diet and lifestyle
25.The balance and harmony in the natural world
26.The symbolism behind the creation of pairs in various aspects of life
27.The recognition of the human ability to think, reason, and reflect
28.The preservation of the Pharaoh's body as a sign for future generations
29.The concept of the soul and its connection to the body
30.The wisdom and guidance found in the Quran itself
AND MANY MORE..........
Islam is based on Greed 🧚♀️🧚🏻♀️🧜♀️🧜♀️(JANNAT) and fear 🧟♂️🧟♂️👺👺(JAHANNUM) of what you will get after life.
there wasnt even an argument
@S Khalili go watch full debate . You will know the truth . Don't take half knowledge andhbhakt
@@seotgaming9693 , Sahih al-Bukhari 2594
Narrated Maimuna, the wife of the Prophet (ﷺ) that she manumitted her slave-girl and the Prophet (ﷺ) said to her, "You would have got more reward if you had given the slave-girl to one of your maternal uncles."
This is why you don't celebrate until the final buzzer.
for the hypocrites in the video and the comment section tales said that all things are water not all things were created by water so ....
@@7years6months3days5hours7min this is incoherent. Maybe there's a language barrier. Can you, please, try to explain this again? Thanks.
@@jimmyjimmy7240 what I am trying to say is that Tales said that all things are water which is false while verse Allah says : "Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart?1 And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" do you see the difference
@@7years6months3days5hours7min Tales as in "fairy tales"?
The difference being made up of water and coming from the water (ocean)?
@@jimmyjimmy7240 Tales the philosophe and the difference between a thing is water entirely not just made of water , and created from water
this is what you call mood swings
the room gone huhu to shhhh in mater of seconds
As a Christian, i think it is important to study the atheistic view of things so that you won’t look a fool if you ever end up discussing with an atheist
It could mean that god don't exists period (bad arguments) or there isn't enough evidence of god existing or super natural things (vry philosophical arguments great used by most)
What about flat earth and sun rise and sunset 😂
Islam be like : I am sorry
SUN SETS IN MUDDY WATER! SCIENTIFIC QURAN DISCOVERY!!!
Quran actually says that earth is shaped like an ostrich's egg and its proven today that earth is not perfectly round
@@afnankashif79 Don't tell them facts their pea brain can't handle it bro 😂😂 let them live ignorance
@@afnankashif79It doesn't say orstrich egg shaped
But it say that it shape like the place where ostrich lay egg(flat)
I am muslim and i reseach on this topic and this is the result
@zainulabideen5490 If you look at the translation of chapter 79 verse 30, it does not talk about the place where ostrich lay egg at all. It talks about how the earth is spread. And the word دحاها can also be translated to "extended in egg shape" so the translation of that ayat can be "And the earth, moreover, hath he extended in egg shape."
Religion takes credit for everything science hasn’t proven yet
This was just a theory by Thales unlike the statement made in the Quran . He also made many mistakes such as believing that the earth floated on water and this was the cause of earthquakes. Now learn what the Quran says about mountains and earthquakes .
If u look carefully, all islam debate, most people just cheering after nothing.
Like literally. I never see everyone quite until the end, lmao.
Thales said "All things come from water and all are resolved into water." he never said all living things come from water. this short is full of lies and misrepresentation. and the second atheist said "If you throw enough spaghetti against the wall, some of it's going to stick. you're going to find something that looks prophetic and you gonna go waw, looks at what he said........"
in Islam, you will never discover an unscientific fact. Thales said all things come from water how could Mohammed (sal) specifically said all living things come from water ??
The people here in the comments are so stupid to think those 2 guys really debunked anything besides my believe that every human has a brain.
1. guy: No Tales never said that every living thing is made of water, he said that exclusively EVERYTHING is made out of water. Including stones houses etc., big difference because the claim in the Quran is true, Tales theory not. And even if he didn't lie to make a piss poor attempt at proving something wrong, he himself says that it is no common believe. So prophet Muhammed (pbuh) should have learned Ancient Greek (where there is absolutely 0 evidence for) and between every theory that was going around he miraculously picked the one that nobody really gave much attention to and it ended up being right? Yeah buddy makes sense. Especially regarding the fact that Tales never said it accordingly.
The next guys attempt might be even weaker which is really astounding here:
Muslims never ever claimed that the Quran have flaws but some miracles in it, so the comparison between the spaghetti sticking to the wall makes no sense, because we claim that EVERYTHING every single word in the Quran is the truth, and there are also a lot of not explainable miracles besides god being the one that really wrote the Quran and not some illiterate man 1500 years ago. Our claim is that EVERY single piece of spaghetti stocked to the wall, no matter how far away or from which angle he threw it, and if you throw a million spaghettis at the wall in the most unthinkable angles and what not and not even a single one doesn't stick to the wall, that is the appropriate comparison.
And if you wonder what other miracles I am talking about, the prediction of the Roman victory, the explanation of the tectonic plates, structure of the see, that every planet has its own orbit..... there a whole lot of miracles that would be a crazy prediction (most of them we just found out) if it was only of them, but all of them, and without a SINGLE flaw, that is the miracle, and if you are sincere just look it up.
And besides all of that, the Quran isn't a book about predictions, it is just a guideline to the ones worshipping the one true god, Allah (swt) makes no mistakes and that the few predictions (no matter how close to 0 the possibility was that a normal man would know it back 1500 years) are just a side effect of that. That's why the last argument of this video is the absolute worst, why would Allah only talk about the cure of diseases, because you think he should? What is the logic in giving all of humanity the cure for every single disease, if you could make them free from diseases without any effort because you are omnipotent anyways? This life is just a test.
All of this is just basic knowledge that most Muslims have, the only thing I needed to research is Thales claim, and it took a whole 10 seconds to find out that this guy just changed facts to his likings so he could stand there like he has superior knowledge because this isn't something the average human knows, what a sucker punch. And for you all who commented, the likes don't make your comments the truth. Talking about truth, people said that it doesn't take a genius to debunk Islam in the comments, so if you give me one single true contradiction in the Quran, I will leave Islam rn, that's the amount of faith I have in this religion, because I also believe that everyone who is SINCERELY looking for the truth will end up with Islam, there is no way around it.
May Allah guide us all, Amin
@@ronydidar9220 the Quran is chock a block full of inconsistencies, silly ideas that science has definitely refuted and sheer stupidity designed to appeal to an illiterate and ignorant people. If the Quran was suddenly produced today, no one with any sort of reasoning power would take it seriously.
@@ronydidar9220 Lol not eating pig's is very unscientific, human male & female made by god from dirt is BS because there's many evidence of human evolution... even today genetically, body & organs, etc. And women having to put hijab when outside & stay at home... Poor women not getting any natural vitamin D lol! Probably only vitamin Dick- 😂
@@ronydidar9220 Alhamdulillah may they get guided
My brain is catching on fire watching all these people making huge arguments with their own reasons why.I think I know why humanity has been doomed to fight each other from the start.
Brother/sister, some of these arguments are blatant lies
@@Sumaia-we2tr Exactly...just to get back at each other.
Im sorry for starting a convo here but these types of videos are really damaging to the faith of many people... most muslims here are just trying to defend their faith
Back in the days they tried to separate themselves from science. Today they try to prove that religion has scientific basis. I hope that tomorrow they will drop this bullshit and stop bamboozling people and especially kids.
im fighting with my wife every day over her belives they are brain washed it's almost impossible to cure
@@michealbond1240 read into epistemology - the philosophy of "what is knowledge"
@@michealbond1240 I'm in the same situation with my mother but I'm starting to think that believing in God is for her own good. It gives her hope for a better future so why try take that away from her? If your wife has a good outlook on life because of her belief in God and she isn't harming anyone, then trying to sow seeds of doubt may cause more harm than good eventually
Well said and you're absolutely right Max, the problem for them is that the god of the gaps is getting smaller and smaller as we discover more about the natural universe.
They say, "Oh, but science can't detect supernatural spirits" and they're not wrong. There is no evidence of anything supernatural existing whatsoever.
Science is the most reliable, effective and demonstrably proven way to observe and document the universe we exist in. If something is not detected or can be measured in any scientific way then it is perfectly rational and reasonable to withhold belief that it exists.
@@michealbond1240 My wife of 3 months is from a very religious culture and background. When I met her 7 years ago she went to church every Sunday, said grace before every meal and was all in with "God".
When we started going out I told her exactly where I stood. I didn't try to change her mind, just told her my pov with some solid reasons to back it up.
Without actually saying it out loud we accepted and respect each others views and just don't really talk about it. She has relaxed her religiosity a lot (except when she's around her family) and still believes in god but is much more chill than she used to be. Admittedly I do try and point the absurdity of it whenever the time arises but I try to be as tactful and respectful as possible.
You could have the most rational and reasonable arguments ever (nature vs superstition and woo woo, I mean, it's not rocket science) but because they were born into it and were surrounded by it for years it hard for them to see reason the way we see it.
If you want the relationship to work I don't recommend arguing every time the topic comes up. She obviously knows your position and you know hers. Accept that she is Irrational about that one particular topic and live with it. Sure, if she says something like, "God saved that man from dying" when watching the news, point out that the doctors, nurses and modern medicine probably also had something to do with it.
You are not going to argue and fight it out of her, it is too ingrained in her world view. It might not seem like such a big deal for us but this is the creator of the f'n universe and keeper of their eternal soul we're talking about.
The only "cure" is to understand, respect and accept that they're not just going to "snap out of it". Keep using rationality and reason but don't force it and over time she should understand and will hopefully see reality for what it is.
Meanwhile sanatan dharam said this 5000+ years ago
It did not
@@thedictationofallah If one sees the avatars of Vishnu one will realize that it talks about the modern day evolution theory.
Matsya- The aquatic life, Kurma- The amphibian, Varaha- terrestrial animal, Narasimha- Halfman half animal phase, Vamana- The short man i.e. a form of man, Parashuram- the hunter, Ram- the ideal man with innocence, Krishna - The smart and cunning man, Kalki- the man in his last phase where he destroys.
@@sameer.barathe
What is Sati ritual of hinduism?
@@StingrayAkbarit came after muslim invade and Hindu women better to burn themselves rather becoming slave of islamist
sanatan dharm aur said sun is a god who movies in chariot also earth is being pulled by elephant and many
but how was prophet Mohamed peace be open him who was living in the middle of a desert who did not know how to read or write (which was historically proven) supposed to know what a Greek guy was saying
It’s not that he was copying him. It’s that you can’t use that as evidence that he was a prophet unless you believe that Greek man was also a prophet.
People also say that it was the first book to claim the Earth was round, that too is not true. The entire thing is plagiarism, arguably the only thing it does that makes it notably different is suggest that it is the last word from a being that couldn't make his mind up.