Creator of Mimosa Explains Why He Stopped Topping His Plants
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- We The Growers sits with Mike from @_thevillage and @symbioticgenetics. In this clip, Mike explains why he doesn't top his plants.
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“i dont think ill ever top a plant again in flower”
well fucking duh
That's what I was thinking 😂😂
no topping IN BUD WTF
pretty sure he ment "and" not topping and then flowering. He said he tops his moms so only plants that stay in veg.
no, toppin is not at flowerin.
For real! What the fuck was he talking about?😂
Don’t do the thing studied and practiced across several agricultural disciplines because, “the plant knows what to do”. But does it know what I want it to do?
Stop wanting something then 🤷🏻♂️
@@dannydawn 🤦🏻♂️
@@erdbeerzwiebel3404 you‘re clueless and judgmental. 👌
I would have to agree, my state just went legal to grow but I have outdoors for many years. I've topped and left plants alone, no top makes trimming a lot faster. The plant does know what to do, it put leaves where it needs it and not where you want it. Can't knock it until you try it man. I guess if your pinching every gram then rock on but for quality looking donkey buds is the reason I let the plant do its thing.
@@chrisblair3081 so, let me just take a wild guess, you’ve never been on a commercial grow?
He doesn't top anymore because he didn't do it right
At the end he slipped in a "..while in flower" lol.What eejit tops a flowering plant!?
@@paulie6446ong😭
@@paulie6446 yeah that didn't make sense to me either
I don't have a lot of experience with growing autos in general, one year I had 2 plants 1 I didn't top and the 2nd I did, right after the first branches showed up, the one I topped did grow slower for about 2 weeks but then it kicked in and was bigger with more buds then the 1st one, my only problem was I never saw the final result and how much would I got from both because some nosey fucker found my plants and called the cops, how big difference in yield is when you top and don't top the same type of plant?
@@nenadpopov3601 best not to top them unless you have seeds to spare, but..as you say, no later than week three for autos, because they transition to flower during 4 and 5 weeks.They will only stunt for about 10 or 12 days.So let them run til about 12 to 13 wks🙏
One big bud that might have mold in it or a bunch of nice medium buds , I'll keed topping my plants
Why would anyone top a plant when it is already flowering anyway. You would loose bud growth in the recovery time but if you want to do it in early veg then go for it.
To slow down vertical growth. Lets say u vegged too long, and the plant running out of height with plenty if stretch days left. In this care you'd top. It slows down the vertical
@@juanbuddha4202 in that case you should be accounting for the stretch room in your grow space, knowing the traits of what genetics you have, and when to switch over the light cycle, that's not a topping problem that's a growing problem.
He meant topping plants that are supposed to flower and which are not mothers.
"I feel the plant just gets to be a plant" 😂😂😂
I prefer LST instead of topping, because you don't loose 4-7 days by wasting the best side branch
I do both but I did notice there's no stunting growth by just using a scrog net
I do scrog and mainlining as I have between 8 and 10 weeks to veg waiting for flowering to finish! Both methods give me the best results with my evenly spread 60w QB's with lm301h EVO diodes 3500°k only (50 panels in a 10x10...soon 1 over each sq/ft @30w for even more efficiency...I will reach the 2gpw!)
@@dipster14Hi! Those net aren't useful...I use a solid piece of fence with 3x3 holes and as soon as I reach the third node then I start to use it...I put the plant against one of the pot side to go in the opposite direction...you grow horizontally pinching a lot the main stem to fill it...8 weeks are more than enough to do it
Have a lifted one and lots of good vibes from France
id suggest to delay ur topping in about a week or two and then u might lose a week by stunted growth on the topped plant but u can clone what u r topping and essentially you gain back whatever time it took to grow that plant(since it dosen't need to start from a seed and just need to take the 10 or so days to root)+ another plant(which if you keep topping and cloning like that it will grow exponentially lol)
I use GML Leaf topping and flower in two weeks, with clones. Only blocking leaves and undergrowth are removed
We Usually run 6 in a 31 x31 inch tent. CoCo Hempy Buckets. Best yield was 11.11 ozs I grow only for quality, so big yields aren’t relevant
Using Wollastonite as per Dr Bugbee affords the plants Si throughout. The branches are like dowels. Not a lot of flopping. JM2¢
This is why you do all the topping within the first month. Get like 16 main stems and everything level while it’s still tiny and then let it grow with a trellis. 1 month 8 plus tops for 16 main stems then 4 months no topping. Get a blanket of buds on a 1 foot tall plant.
Nobody wants to veg for 4+ months. Higher plant count minimal veg.
Just low stress train. Topping is pointless. You get way more budding sites from LST.
@@lmpedro2b4u96 you do both. Topping is so you get forearm size main tops and not popcorn or nugget buds from tucked side shoots.
@LeviKerrison bro I get between 10-16 leg sized tops. With just LST. Topping slows down growth by 3-5 days
@@lmpedro2b4u96 yea 5 month instead of 4 really if you top a lot. I have seen people do low stress training without topping but yeah, just looks like the plant is confused rather than structured. If it works then that’s good.
I do the same , if you need the side branches to catch up a bit just keep taking the fan leaves of the main cola and that will slow it down a little , then bend the side branches out to let the new growth fill in the center top, its a great method
Definitely strain dependent
Definitely skill dependent. He describes how bad he was at topping and then also end it with "I don't think I'll ever top a plant again.... in flower" like who even is this doofus? 💀
Exactly. Maybe all the cookies bull he runs doesn't but alot of plants/strain will Christmas tree hard. But if I'm running a high plant count minimal/no existent veg I'm not going to top either
If you're growing outdoors with seed and you don't want a 15 foot plant, so your neighbor 2 blocks away can see it you need to top
@@pyrotec4577he means he tops his mothers for clones but any plant going into flower will not be topped you’re the doofus for not understanding that
nah i dont need a headbud as big as my whole leg just to find mold in it I keep topping my yields are more then enough
We only grow autos and learned to 'Stop the Top'. No delays. Great content. Thank you. Greetings from Minnetrista, MN.
Depends on plant count, light amount and placement etc etc if you let it go and then fold the main stem over that works really well
You're gonna get a bigger top bud but that's it. Your yield will overall be smaller. If you're growing for yields, it doesnt matter how big your top bud is. What you want is better light intensity spread evenly across the canopy and you're never gonna get that with a christmas tree type plant.
Spot on man.
In a tent... sun is moving all day
@@chrisblair3081 This guy is talking about big facilities and not your average "one plant in the backyard grow". Everybody who did bigger grows cant relate to "dont top and your plants will be better". It really depends on so much things. I wouldnt trust this guy.
@@StotheEtotheB oh I have 82 acres, definitely not a 1 plant grow lol. I'm just speaking from almost 20 years of "gorilla" growing experience. I've topped,fim, stake trained and stressed in my grows, personally I believe outdoors some light LST is really all you need to do. No I haven't pulled 3lbs off 1 plant, I usually avg over a 1/2 to 1. But when your trimming 24 or more plants that are over 8 feet tall and have 6 foot long bottom branches by yourself you appreciate how the plant is just buds with a few leaves. All the bud sites have tons of room and the plant clears itself out. No stress means it never stopped growing, doubt many people in these comments have had stumps as thick as their wrist coming out of the ground lol
He's only vegging for 2 weeks
I always top and have killer results, never though of ditching the practice but its very interesting to hear Ted suggested to nit tip and have bigger flower growth, for that Im giving this an experimental run. Top VS Untopped in the same space side by side, this way all plants get the same environment, light intensity and feedings.
I think I'll test this as well with some clones I'm about to take.
I normally don't top outdoors, just let it do its thing... be the easy trim you've ever done I bet. Let's em spread out and grow leaves where it needs it. I'd be willing to bet it's not a huge difference in weight either. When your holding a Pringles can sized nug there's a lot there lol
Let us know how bigger the yeild is on the topped plant compared to this dudes method
I know it's crazy but I grow cannabis to smoke... not to say 'look how big my flower is'. But to each their own
i top and my canopies are on point.
I topped 1 plant 8 times...an it's crazy bushy now
@@grow4profitwow! how many weeks vegs?
@@microfx I started strapping her down early I'm about 10 weeks now bro...just keep topping but I'm done now...bout to flip into 12/12 NXT week get her goin
I like to top above the 4th node when the plant has 5 or 6 nodes and ill keep nodes 3 and 4 then remove everything below that, then ill top em one more time and get 8 juicy mains which is good enough for me in my setup 👌👌
Depending on the strain in the flowering room I have 8 to 10 weeks to veg...that's why I do mainlining...but before I have 2 room I use to veg four weeks no topping just training and pinching to fill my net who was a piece of fence but I use to do SOG so 64 plants in 1 gallon and no veg...but with LEDs and mainlining I pull 1.7/1.8gpw on average from seeds organic living soil and amendments no a/c no co2 no chemicals no synthetic...nothing taller than 3 feet...it takes time to tame plants but you save veg time as it can't take longer than flowering time!
Decades ago, I used to grow a mix of sativas and indicas. I noticed on (some) sativas varied greatly in potency from the top colas to the bottom ones, and I stopped topping them. I never noticed that on any indicas, though. But they also never needed it in my 7" height grow area.
Some genetics don’t grow bushy they naturally have one main cola. Topping ensures you get a nice coverage no matter what strain you work with.
No wonder every mimosa sample I’ve had is mid
😂😂😂😂
That wouldn't have anything to do with anything though.
If you get the real mimosa it's hands down one of the best strains I've had, smells amazing,great flavour, nice high
I never top.
Just bend and you don't lose the main cola, all the buds become main colas.
Same here, but I only squish the stem and bend if it's getting too close to the hps bulb
Pretty much the same here. I also train the branches so the tops are all in the light & evenly spaced. I also lollipop.
@@journeyintococo6996 Yep, gotta give them light and airflow.
I'm with you mate 👍 most of my landraces just become crowns & I get great yields but I mostly grow outdoors
@@bigbasil1908Do u only run a HPS
I grow outdoors Hawaii and the faster I can flower them the better.Topping them takes too long for them to recover.As soon as they get 2-3 feet tall in veg I flower them.The longer theyre growing the more likely too get PM, and pest problems.
Sometimes plants top themselves ...i think the issue with topping are most are doing it too late if youre going to top you should top near or to the end of seedling stage for bushier plant i think topping in mid vegg is what causes the smaller bud structure in certain strains imo...
Well he's talking about clones
My problem with topping is that the same effect is achieved by just bending the main stem over. It'll do exactly the same thing except you have another top to flower.
I've done a side by side and the one that didn't get topped but just bent over reacted the same but recovered quicker and had an extra big cola when done flowering.
I only really top mothers when they're getting a bit large now. I always just bend the main stem over for a more even canopy
Don't get me wrong, im not saying topping is bad, just less stress and recovery when you bend it instead.
Exactly! Last but not least: You don't waste 4-7 days of vegetation time.
Strain depending. I have also done side by sides and found topping to be less stressful on some cultivars. Topping can make more symmetrical plant by far.
About 10 years ago when COB leds were top dog I use to grow.(put my wife through college with my hobby). I used srog a couple of times but I found what worked best for me in my space (2.5 x3.5) was to bend the tops all the way over in an alternating fashion. My space would be completely filled up and would harvest about 0.9g a watt. When I topped and srog I would only pull about 0.6 g per watt
I would disagree, I had 2 pineapple express autos, 1 I topped the other I didn't, the one I did slowed down in growth for about a week but when it started growing it went wild, much more branches developed and buds were a bit smaller but they were all over the plant, and the first one was a bit shorter and had less final product, I think it has a lot to do with the strain.
@@colinferguson972 I was about to ask is it strain related, cause I had 2 pineapple express autos 1 I topped the other I didn't and the one I did was crazy bigger with a lot more yield.
There's many factors that go into a grow not just topping vs not topping. Light, grow media, environment, cultivars, etc many things affect the outcome of your plants growth. You just have to understand your grow and what works and what doesn't work as well to maximize the plants potential.
Wish I more thumbs for your insightful comment...
Yes those factors are important for a successful grow but you are leaving out one of the most crucial ones. One of the most important things is talking to your plants, that has been shown to add 12.2% extra growth especially if you say the right words with just the right tone.
U forgot to say "autoflower" 😅
Autoflower take longer than 14 days to veg. Do you even grow?
I top autos and yeild way more than others that leave it alone and dont train
@@bassinsierrayou may get great yields, but studies show that if you LST correct it will give the most yield on autoflowers! If you LST low enough it will be as effective as FIM and without the stress.
@@bassinsierrathat's a lie it's all based on genetics with autos, I got 7oz off a single auto without topping or any LST, most people are quick to bash autos because they're sensitive to grow but if you do it right and have the right genetics you will get a heavy yield without all the new age techniques
Pretty sure he wasn't talking about autos
I’m fairly new to growing. I’ve only got about 4 grows from seed to harvest. I have never topped a plant. I have been thinking about doing it on this grow. But I have my reservations about doing so. In my last grows I grew in a 5x5 with 4 plants in 30 gallon non till all organic BAS products. Each plant I got no less than 8 oz per plant with a Veg time of 3 months and 10 to 14 weeks of flower time. This time tho I got me a bigger tent 10x10 and have 16 plants but only going to keep 12 of them this time around. I do want to try different methods and techniques along the way. I barely planted the seeds on 8/3 all but one seed popped and are doing excellent, I even had a twin. I watch build a soil and other channels to gain as much knowledge as possible in this adventure. Any advice if I should or shouldn’t would be great
They get topped in nature too, a deer will top plants all the time.
@pyrotec4577 yA they topped mine all the way to the dirt last year 😂
@@saltybildo9448 that might be hard to recover from, but I've seen it happen 😅
yea so no topping in flower he says but what about in veg ??
Lmao you can’t be that dumb not to understand what he meant
So, this is an interesting subject. Firstly, topping plant will improve things 80% of the time. What I have noticed is that some cultivars do not respond well at all. One in particular that I found didn't like topping was Kali mist.
I'm 56 and may or may not have started growing in the swamps of Florida in the 1980's 1990's ...now with a cultivation license I grow indoors and have been for a few years. I've tried topping and not topping many times indoors and out. I currently do not top. The reason is this ...the top main cola is the cream of the crop so to speak. It ALWAYS has been in my experience. I can get a slighty bigger yield by topping and training...but for me personally...letting it do it's thing naturally always gives me my prized flower on top. Topping a plant eliminates that top. If your just out for a bigger yield ...hey...whatever works for you if topping is your thing. I only grow for personal medical reasons and everyone that's seen my plants are in awe. I grow in my own blend of living organic soil and it takes me a couple weeks longer to go from seed to harvest than going hydroponics...but the reward is an undeniably better taste and smelling flower. Good luck and happy growing 😊 !
What do you use for feeding last month if grow ? Looking for all natural nutrient blend .
One word: Mold risk.
For some, getting the humidity right is hard. Especially outdoor where i live. Lot´s of shitty weather and high humidity in the morning in summer.
Lost one head bud due to mold, i just started growing since it just became legal here. No pro here, just my opinion concerning bud rot
Going to top just because he said not to. 😂
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I harvested 40 inch clones in only 60 days by planting on july 20, no pesticide and no caterpillars in San Francisco bay, other years I had caterpillars at harvest time, somehow skipped catapillar season by planting later and far less effort to grow, urine and fish tea keeps the plants growing green.
I grow outdoors in the south bay at 2 different spots every year, some years we get hit by moths really bad, other years, not a moth to be seen, I don’t really have an explanation for this, have just assumed that due to environmental conditions in the bay area sone years we get a lot of moths and some years none?
The only time you dont have to top is growing outdoors, since it changes the natural structure of the plant it cannot support its weight as well as the christmas tree shape. You want to top indoors so you can have an even canopy for most efficient use of your lights. Its not that complicated.
Depending on strain ,some do better ,some dont.
Thats what I was going to say!
Lol we know.
No, every non auto should be topped if growing indoors
I prefer to just bend the main stalk. Doesnt slow growth. Recoveres within an hour under real sunlight and keeps the nugs fat
Are you only vegging for 2 weeks?
Yeah, im not stopping.
"I don't THINK"? Completely wrong, but this is just standard stuff people who've been growing for 50 - 60 years hear daily by teenagers. Who knows more, "the Novice or the life long grower"? The longer you do something the more you know! First of all, some plants(the sativas) can get up to 20(+) feet high, 2nd, you do not want your plants to grow over your fence(6')! This is what I've done for over 55 years. From the moment plant hits "the 3 nodes" on the young plant, you top the main stem! Then after that, until the plant is weeks into flowering, every new stem you count 1, 2, 3(nodes) and TOP, then that topping sends out new branches and again, count, 1, 2, 3 nodes and top again! At the end, you have buds the size of your fist on most parts of the plant, except for the bottom part. Down there, the sun usually can't get to the LOW branches, which you can just remove by the 2nd month! Everything else is just a Myth!!!
Top once and main line works for me..much denser crowns
I´ve only had few times that one side grew bigger after topping but I also bend my plants completely to flat in most cases.
I do have some strains I would never top or bend though they just grow and usually get pretty even.
This how I feel about certain do’s and don’t from “professionals”
!!!DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!!!
Everyone is different. Topping may not work for you, especially in flower. Where as it may work for many others in Veg.
For photoperiod, wait until the new growth just starts to show (2-3cm), then pinch it off on a diagonal, leaving 1/3rd if that new growth on the side FURTHEST from the highest node. This will stunt the top growth, forcing growth hormones equally into the side branches on the lower node, but also has a chance for that main stem to recover and actually push out those 2 new branches and then keeping growing like normal.
This is how you FIM. With even lighting and some LST it will grow evenly.
I liked this as fim can be a good method in certain situations, although I find it really isn't necessary 🌱 just get your light down low enough that the plant knows growing it's main stem isn't a great idea anymore as it doesn't feel very nice up nearer the light & so it will pop that energy into the side branches instead 🌱& they'll go join the high up party 💡🌱 🎉🍹mine do that & I don't use magic seeds 👀
@@wardaldo69 hey you cant make the sun get any closer if you wanted too XD, no but seriously i got a headband and super lemon haze photoperiod that look like they really want to be Christmas trees, if they dont know whats good for them in the next week.. snip snip.
@@shawnndixon5254 ahhh yea but ideally you want to put her on a really tall hill 🌱👌👀🤣
I wonder why he did not talk about mold at all.
For some growers, getting the humidity and temperature is hard. Smaller buds from topping the plant lowers molding risks.
Weird you say that.. all of my guys at the shop are always trying to top my shit and usually I would say yeah, I’ve been wanting to see how my plants respond on their own. I’ve had some of my best runs to date on a strain I’ve grown over the last 6 years. Topped them once and just let them ride into the netting. Zero training involved. I just use a net for support and allow them to find their own spots. As long I don’t have tops overlapping I left them alone. Holy shit their tops went wild.
I just take a twist tie when it's getting too tall for my system and bend the tip back to the stem. The main cola readjusts and while it's making a sideways s shape all of those other branches are acting like the plant was topped. Then I pull the tie off and have a fat even canopy with the main cola still growing.
Wouldnt taking the tie off somewhat launch the main stem back up?
Was saying this years ago but dispos wanted smaller 1gram buds so i started topping to increase tops and bring nug size down so i didnt have to extra trimming time to break big colas down to smaller buds boils down to time and payroll
This guys only talking from his very own experience, he messed it up and thinks the rest of the world will aswel, topping is a Goated strat dont listen to a single work he said
I think people are forgetting that Mike is an indoor cultivator with thousands of plants. Yeah, if you have 6 plants outdoors, then topping is going to be beneficial for you. If you're working on a 63 day flower cycle with a 14 day veg indoors, speed is important and topping definitely slows growth. He also talks about how Uniformity is the reason he stopped topping, and when you are steering thousands of plants, consistency and uniformity is huge. "Those branches will get to the top"; would you rather have two really big branches, or eight big branches? For larger-scale, indoor cultivators, you would rather have eight big branches...
Personally i do both methods of topping and scrog method..Ive learned you can get the same results if you weave them through a trellis net or tying them down
In my experience,
1. Even a lower branch can yield a bigger cola then the mail top.
Hence the closer to the light the bigger the buds.
2. 1 being said. If you can average or balance light equally, all colas should be near similar.
3. Topping is only efficient in small/resources restricted setups. Because it ensures that most If not all branches with have an equal space to the light source.
4. In Outside grow. The toping only the main results in two, somehow "identical " colas on top. With the rest varying in sizes.
5. Finally, I have noticed that a plant that was never toped nor pinched will always be bigger and yields more give that it has never had injuries to recover from.
If you can control you veg period, go ahead
But it will translate to recovery time.
It depends on your grow setup. In a real grow house your not worried about height. Pruning, pinching, topping are use to grow plants bushier rather than increase height
Im sure some level of trichomes are lost or put on hold to heal the growth aswell and spur more growth
He said he uses side lighting which would compete with a topped plant for yeild with less veg time... and more grow cycles
Always top a seed, at least once, then use the bend/snap method same for clones, u can use the super crop bending to manipulate the oddball branches on clones for a level canopy. If you are doing it right it with healthy plants they will be recovered by the next day.
love the controversy. keep it up. i don’t believe in topping autos anymore, or really any training.
let the plant do its thing, let it grow. exactly.
one of the greatest strains ever created. keep going bro
No he's absolutely right 👍,,less time and better bud quality,
just train the main stem to grow horizontally and you get the same effect.
Mainlining is the best to make all colas with no side branches in a plant.. but yes, it makes slow growth after topping ,the more topping the longer to wait.. but the final result will be all fat colas from the main stem "plant with all top buds no side branching".
The only way this works is short cycling otherwise I’m gonna mainline/supercrop every time and it’s more fun
Well he did say 2 week veg
If a plant grows in a zero stress environment would it taste different then a stressful environment?
I appreciate the knowledge shared here. I assumed that Mike was talking about not topping in veg, but the last statement is "I don't think I will ever top again a plant in flower." Was the whole conversation about topping in flower?
I don't top but different method, I just bend the tops over and the sides catch up to top and bend down the next set and so on. Then let them all go and they will grow up almost equally and becomes a bush. It looks like you topped because of the amount of colas but they are all non topped and strong
Top between 4-6th node in vegetative stage and you're good. Some dislike it, but most truck through it. Topping should ofc be avoided, but some stretch so much it's necessary to top.
Alien labs is good but over priced
I top all my plants once during the vegetation stage at the 5th note and I train and trim them for the rest of the way.
Bigger Tops are more likely to developing bud rot. For smoking you crush them down, no need for huge buds besides the cool look. Topping is mainly for indoor, and there it is beneficial for many reasons.
I was doing LST back in the early 1980s mostly bc i didn't like damaging the plant & believed i got better results laying it over at about 4 weeks or so.
I get higher yields off a plant bent sideways than a topped plant. 2 plants same age, 1 bent over vs topped plant, the bent plant has a larger footprint and more bud sights. I also aggressively scrog and find topped plants stem like to split like a wishbone. Got 1 right now duct taped to save it lol
I think I heard 14 day veg then flip so, I have to assume this is with established clones & not from seed ? I'm sure commercial growers go the clone route for strain stability. The reason I bring this up is because I have no room for mothers & clones and I like trying new stuff all the time. It's my understanding that if starting from seed the plant should be at least 4 weeks old to be mature enough to flower and if I don't top, tall plants end up in the lights. I might try vegging for two weeks & then flip to see if that takes out some of the stretching.
Experiment and see what works best for you. I have been popping seeds one or two at a time and putting them into flower over the last year or so. I am on plant number 14. I have flipped them in as little as 3 weeks all the way to around 9 weeks. I treated each one a little different till I figured out what works for me and my set up. I top 3 times then flip to flower after that. Works for me.
Not topping is especially great if you’re doing a sea of green.
Yea that’s what I was thinking. I just watched Dakota do it in his tent
Actually the only reason not to top.
When you're only vegging for 2 weeks you shouldn't be topping
Haters too young to be sea of green old school awesome
@@timothykappel198 yes .. but sea of green only for the indicas or the autoflower & fast flowering strain
For the real sativas, it is impossible
I have tried SOG and short veg them using light indoor to make them grow short and flower fast but always failed to get the result i want, because it is sativa plant, they grow well also in indoor but their natural way of growth doesn't respond to 18/6 to 12/12 light schedule because sativa grows tall more than 2 meters average outdoor with 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night since as long as you and i can remember, it is tropical plant..in the equator the sativa plant grow from seed to harvest with 12 hours day and 12 hours night and the total time spent from seed to harvest in that 12/12 light cycle is around 8 months. So they don't respond to light manipulation like the indica or fast flowering strain (photo strain X autoflower)
bigger nugs? No, the right thing to say is bigger nug. The point of topping is to have every branch to get equal light, which results in evenly sized buds, and an overall bigger yield. without topping you'd have one big nug, and the rest are just mids
Nug size doesn't affect quality
@@timothykappel198 it kinda does to some point, would you get a zip of larfy bud?
I almost never top. It’s better to selectively take fan leaves to expose other tops to the light.
I like to "FIM" my plants once and then just "bend" the other tops down to create a nice bushy plant over time.
Topped all 3 of my outdoor sativas above the 8th node. Now tey are all about 7 feet tall and 5-6 feet in diameter and just started flowering. Yeah I'll continue doing that.
I don't top mine either I just bend the whole top way down and that makes everything grow uniform. Why cut off good growth when you can keep it and still have a level canopy
topping makes for more tops
Just a quick question @3:15 he is talking about a 14 day veg. This does not include germination time right ? Rather my question would be what does a 14 day veg equal to if we take germination into account ?
I never top my plants.And they still become Beasts.
40 plants in a 5x5 that don’t seem right my math wrong 25 sqft times 1.6 =40
He meant 3 plants across 5 ft, this is how each plant takes up roughlt 1.6 square feet. 1.6 x 3 =4.8 close to 5 ft. Im sure they also meant to adress 3 plants across lenght and width, so a total of 9 plants per 5 x 5 table.
I was thinking he was using those GGS tables, 5x8, but could be longer. Too bad he didn't show a clip of his grow room.
Don’t you get more weight off not topping flipping early and have one big main cola? I’ve heard Barneys says so it also depends on comparing the 2 if you did the same veg and flower period plus same mediums and environment and space.
I top to release the auxins hormone to make sure that the side shoots become main shots if you don't top i don't care how much light reaches the lower branches they will not become main colas.
I top some outdoor plants just to get em more bushy but my indoor I don't do anything than defoliate and maybe some lst clips if I'm trying to steer a branch a certain way usually upwards to save lateral room
I definitely get it in the area of warehouse grows for max density but then again on a smaller level ive done well with toppings but makes sense what he is saying
I’ve been leaning towards this in a big way. Also the amount of veg I have to do with more plants not topped is so much less. I don’t think it’s best practice for low plant counts. That’s when I lean towards a supercrop to get canopy filled and even. Also never top a plant in flower no matter what.
Overview
In this video, Mike from @_thevillage and @symbioticgenetics explains why he stopped topping his plants. Influenced by Ted from Alien Labs, Mike found that not topping results in bigger nugs and more consistent canopy growth. He noticed that topped plants often grew inconsistently, leading to lopsided plants. By not topping, he achieved better light penetration and healthier plants. Mike maintains a low plant density and believes in letting plants fill the space naturally, finding this method more efficient in terms of labor and nutrients. He concludes that he will not top plants in flower again.
Timestamps
00:00 - 00:54
Mike discusses why he stopped topping his plants and the influence of Ted from Alien Labs.
00:00
Mike explains he no longer tops his plants and mentions Ted from Alien Labs who influenced this decision. Ted suggested that not topping results in bigger nugs.
00:19
Mike recounts his experience with topping, noting that it often resulted in inconsistent plant growth. He observed that sometimes one shoot would grow faster, causing a lopsided plant.
00:55 - 02:29
The benefits of not topping plants and the resulting plant structure.
00:55
Mike noticed a significant improvement in canopy consistency when he stopped topping. He emphasizes the importance of giving plants enough space.
01:13
Mike highlights the natural branching that occurs without topping and urges growers to trust the process. He points out that lower branches can reach the top if not crammed.
01:36
Many facilities, including Jungle Boys, have stopped topping. Mike believes not topping allows plants to grow naturally, resulting in better light penetration and overall plant health.
01:56
Mike contrasts the natural growth of untopped plants with the manipulated growth under nets. He finds that untopped plants perform better in terms of light penetration and yield quality.
02:30 - 03:45
Discussion on plant density and efficiency.
02:30
Mike explains that his plant density remains the same despite not topping, and he prefers a lower plant count. He grows on 5-foot wide tables with plants spaced three wide.
02:53
He highlights the labor and nutrient efficiency of not topping. Mike prefers to let plants fill the space naturally.
03:07
Although the plants may look sparse initially, they fill in the space well with a 14-day veg period. Mike finds this method very efficient and does not plan to top plants in flower again.
I've also found not topping is way better I've gotten bigger and more dense buds, low stress training and minimal trimming for airflow and bud growth.
I think you can probably get a higher yield topping, but yes the extra labour and hassle probably outweighs the benefits…🥦
He said he will not top again in flower. Does he top in veg?
Not me watching this after I just topped 🤷🏽♀️
You are correct. But, untopped Plants in the Outdoors can grow to 15+ft. easy in a good environment. Almost that Diameter, too. They are kind of an Eye Sore. A Temptress for Theft. There are Reasons to Trim and Tie Down. Depends on the situation. Big Plants have limb break problems when the weight comes on. Wind and Storms can devastate your work. Monster Plants may be what you want. But, they come with inherent weaknesses. As for the Quality? 6 months of growing season in the central US. It's finer Wine in My Opinion.
I have full even canopy and I top I just got done topping a skunk XL four different times that thing is beautiful and it's going to have massive buds
I imagine this focuses on the main cola rather than the popcorn nugs
Yeah but you get one nice cola and a couple few smaller nugs and popcorn all the way up. Top it 2-3 times, like we top out about 15 to 20 tops and after the second week cut out all the one tying to a main stalk and all the under achievers and then we have 8-10 equal size tops all the way through. Lollipop them and bam. Dudes just pushing a low maintenance method to cut down on overhead in the opp.
Top no more than twice. Your colas from those 8 stems will
Be the same as just 1-2
@@MrJaman0083You can't do all that in 2 weeks
@@MrJaman0083 i agree this dude just want to do the least ammount on his plants. dont get me wrong they might be good plants but a little labor and those plants would look so much better.
Maybe in a sea of green but it's best to top your plant at a certain node at least once. If you top three times and make clones early on you'll have two more trays finishing every 4 weeks consistently! He's too young to be tell us experienced growers his technique lol Good for you though if it works.
I guess no-topping depends on the genetics too, no? Different genetics branch differently and no-topping and no-lst for some means really poor branching and smaller yields IMO
Topping works wonders if you supply the right nutrients & light(out doors any way) last year I grew a monster.. at least 7’ wide & 7’ tall. Bud sites were ridiculously plentiful, full of potent, dank, sticky fire🔥never even watered it other than the rain. Lemme know if you wanna see it.. oh, & it was my first crack at it too 😂 I swear by topping, I’ll never not top one.
Growing indoor under artificial light in inert mediums with added nutrients but topping is unnatural. Got it.
i agree, but you have to use LST, if a top is higher anywhere, it'll dominate, auxins decide, it knows its top heights
some strains dont do well when topped/Monster cropped some do the best growing naturally just have to know about the strain you are cultivating not all strains have the same growing conditions or nutrient requirements (Basically the same with small differences) there are certain additives that plants respond well too that others wont and may hinder yield/growth if not used in the right amount at the right time the plants nutrient needs change constantly throughout it's life cycle. Most ppl think about fertilizers and nutes but rarely think about the soil witch is equally important the soil should have "Bacteria"(Endo/Ecto) "microbes" "Enzymes" 'Fungi' microbes refresh the soil and help boost plants nute uptake and resistance to illness and pest enzymes do the same plus promotes stronger cells in the plant helps keep soils ph balanced then there's fungi very important.... Trichoderma is the green stuff that grows on like old coffee grounds or aging lemons its naturally in all soil and the air and it establishes a symbiotic relationship with the plant by attaching to the roots and expanding out further then the roots alone will and it gives the plant nute and boosted immune system, more vigorous growth, can withstand hotter temps and be fine, boosts oxygen intake and helps the plant exhale more efficiently smells and tastes incredible lots of enzymes cut curing time cant get that with hydro and for new growers these will help make the plant harder to burn/kill/stunt if mistakes are made this is just the start of what these things do I promise the most novice growers will be growing buds longer then ur arms and bigger then Ur head those buds in my profile pic are only a week and 3 days into flower they still had 7 1/2 or so weeks to go i had to anchor the branches to the ceiling so they didnt, snap all 20 colas strain was a cross of Ice Cream X Gorilla Plant "Gorilla Cream #1" I want to breed a land strain with a newer Hybrid like Columbian Gold X Cannatonic or northern lights X skittlz lmao who knows.
ALL the hate for a dude doing things his own way? TRY it. Dude has a 14 day flip, ya'll have 60 day flips and bending over netting. I get both ways and the yields but damn. Didn't expect this much toxicity for information sharing.
Ive done Ak47 under 1000 wt led without topping and they went well. Exactly what he says, the lower branches power up and get big and it goes into a perfect pine tree and yeah in about 14 days vege.
using lst in place of toping will never stop the plant from prioritizing the main cola.
Not one of these podcasts ever differentiates between auto flower and photo periods , isn't that a significant factor besides weather it's an outdoor or indoor grow.
Growing my first plant. Not topping or training. I want a baseline and go from there.