I’ve just watched this on my large TV screen - a must for your amazing camera work! Wow, the first few seconds! A really nice watch and I love wearing titanium, I agree you forget it’s on your wrist. Hard to pick between the black and white dial, they both look great - especially now with those perfect hands 🙌 I think the 1965 62MAS reissue SPB143 etc have taken the attention away from this watch! Which is a shame! I’m looking forward to your next video - is it possible to beat that start sequence?
Whoah Big TV worthy- that’s a achievement by itself. You’re on point these are both spectacular in their own right- and and the 62mas reissue been delayed these might have been talked about more. But that’s why I’m here! Too kind buddy, really big thanks for your comments and for watching end to end
One month ago I bought the SBDC029 SEIKO Shogun Titanium with the titanium bracelet for 900 $. This is my first automatic watch and I have been wearing it every day. I love this piece of art
I've just bought the white dial version black Friday sale and further discount from an AD for £500. I would never pay the RRP for it but for £500 I just couldn't pass it up. I've not got a white dial in my collection and this one looks so amazingly crisp. Can't wait to receive it.
@@greensidemags thanks buddy. I get all my watches from First Class Watches, they are brilliant UK based authorised dealers and you can make offers if it’s slightly over your budget.
Great great video, this watch has been on my radar for a while now. Settled with the king samurai mint for around 350. If I found this guy in the 700 range I'd pick it up in a heart beat
Fantastic and amazing review! I've watched this so many times and finally bought one. Can't wait for it to arrive. Thank you for the effort you put in your videos!
That silicone strap could live on that watch, its that good! My own pesky tendency to match straps made me switch it out, i couldnt resist. Thanks for watching!
Most people won't feel the need to pay the premium for titanium and no real upgrade in movement but that's the deception. Seiko will make far fewer of these than the stainless equivalents so in time these will hold value better and just be more special overall. The last Shogun had poorer power reserve and did not come with sapphire so this is a good upgrade.
my answer to this watch is Citizen Super titanium Tough, kevlar/titanium strap bracelet, 40mm 46 lug to lug, titanium monocase. Eco drive(this could be downside for someone), precise no maitenence. 300m WR - 500$
Kinda want one of these as a new beater diver even over a SLA model….Also I think that the new citizen auto diver is much better built and has better Titanium, but this is such a good looking and fresh design that is sorely needed in today’s “retro” dominated market
Great video review, really high quality. Might watch this one a few times, I've always admired the Shogun. If I could nitpick, I'd get rid of A Man and His Watch. It's a bit of a watch channel cliché.
Thank you for the kind comment! I agree I have seen it a fair bit on many social media channels. This one was a gift from a loved one- who saw it from another channel. Ironic isnt it? but it's the thought that counts. The shogun deserves more love, it really stands on it's own as a great dive watch.
I believe the case of this version is the same as the previous gen SBDC029 (that I own) as I was watching this video while holding my shogun. I wear it more than my rolex and other watches, so yeah, pricey but you won't regret it. I swapped the mineral crystal to double dome blue AR sapphire and the watch never leaves my hand. I can't wait to change the dial on this one and change the white date wheel disc from white to black. The last thing I want to have it changed is the bezel insert to be a ceramic one but so far I can't find it anywhere. If you do have information about it, please do share. IMHO, if you can live without the white dial (as it is very stunning), get the Ti bracelet, it's so nice to wear it! but if you can source the Ti bracelet, buy the WHITE ONE for sure!
The same here. Searching for ceramic bezel insert for ages. Nothing to change more in previous version. I like it more with Monster hands. They are very compliment with 12 o'clock index.
Anyone who thinks 43.5mm is too large has a very small wrist. It’s a perfect size for 6.5-7in wrists. And btw the black dial watch is nicer than the white in regards to the bezel.
My understanding is that milling titanium is significantly harder than milling steel, hence why you see stamped titanium clasps at much higher price points than with steel clasps.
@@Wjl889$4000 Titanium Tudor Pelagos has a stainless clasp. Citizen gives you Ti clasps because Citizen is leading the state of the art for Titanium materials engineering. It’s amazing what Citizen can do with titanium, but I greatly prefer Seiko’s design and proportions compared to what Citizen offers.
I do think this would be a good replacement for the white rolex explorer 2 and even though it is expensive it seems more realistically something I could afford
As the Seiko 5 resembles the Rolex Submariner's design, is this Seiko SPB191J1's design completely original, or does it take inspiration from any other iconic swiss watch?
I can't help but wonder myself if the white-dialed King Samurai is the better value. They are very close in size, the same aesthetic, and hundreds of dollars cheaper (plus they also have a Sapphire crystal). The big difference (besides SS vs titanium) is the 4r35/6 movement compared to the 6r35. I also own the spb147 and have been less than impressed with the performance of the 6r35, mine is running about -15/20 per day. My 4th Gen Monster has much better accuracy and shares the same movement as the Samurai (SRPE37). The difference in weight between the SS and titanium with both being on a silicone strap doesn't concern me. I'd give anything for a video that compares the two watches! Don't get me wrong... I do like both iterations of the Shogun, just not for the money they're asking. I'll wait for a price drop or a preowned one before I would consider it. Thanks very much for your review!
Its funny I had the same thoughts as you- this would make a killer pre-loved watch to own at a discount. The money has gone into the labor for carving out titanium that would be the case- otherwise movement, fit and finish isnt too far off from the Samurai. Thanks for watching!
Hi, I wanna move the buckle to another strap when I get it. The new strap takes a 20mm clasp. Will the original fit on that? Thanks for the video, great work. Thanks!
Fantastic Video! Thanks for showing the different angles and putting it on your wrist! (I have the same wrist size, and glad to see it wears well) haha. Is it me, or is the '30' on the bezel misaligned at the 6 O'clock mark? I've noticed many Seiko watches has this same issue, including the SPB 213 I reviewed. This issues really should not happen for a watch at this price. Seiko should really pay more attention to their QC, especially to their Prospex line.
I got the titanium bracelet from the spb189 on the spb191 and I like how it looks. Edit: I'm so disappointed with this watch, after a year and half that I've owned it, in 21 hours, it gets 1 minute and 50 seconds behind.
It almost looks like a Seiko Samurai. Yeah, the price is difficult to swallow. Much like all the SPB model Seiko's. I recently got my White Samurai SRPE37, and it's gorgeous. And King Samurai specs are almost on par with the Shogun. Only difference is the titanium of course. The waffle dial is awesome looking and for more than 50% the price of the Shogun. Question, what brand is that nato style band? Might look nice on the White Samurai also.
it is not underrated, I think people like it but the real reason doesn't get so much attention due to the price is a little bit high, will be more popular if the price can go down.
I think it’s fantastic, yes a little bit more expensive than other seikos, I love it! Maybe an alternative could be the king samurai on the white dial! For less $ 🤌🏻🤩
I own the previous version with the round hour markers and those are much nicer in my opinion . These make it look like a titanium version of the Monster . Plus the clasp is absolute rubbish , the poor machining left the sharpish edges “ digging “ into my wrist making it unwearable on the bracelet . I had to buy the ratcheting type clasp part that is on the Tuna titanium , the inside of the clasp is stainless steel so wearable and the ratcheting function gives you that micro adjustment on the fly that is super handy. Why could they not just put that clasp on this model too ? Where is that Japanese precision and perfection , that attention to detail ? Nah, they mainly care about profit , just like everybody else ….
I half agree with this. It is not cheap to craft a solid titanium case, bezel and even bracelet. The cost of tooling and manufacturing is enormous. It makes sense for these to be priced above equivalent steel watches. On the other hand I agree Seiko’s prices have been ballooning
@@perpetuality Seiko prices are much higher than ever before. The senior management wants to make it a prestige brand but this won't work because the quality is just not good enough. It's OK but not at the levels of the Swiss.
That is part of the reason why it has not done as well as other Divers from Seiko. I do think at a discount or secondhand this would be a great watch. But to each his own
I’ve just watched this on my large TV screen - a must for your amazing camera work! Wow, the first few seconds!
A really nice watch and I love wearing titanium, I agree you forget it’s on your wrist. Hard to pick between the black and white dial, they both look great - especially now with those perfect hands 🙌
I think the 1965 62MAS reissue SPB143 etc have taken the attention away from this watch! Which is a shame!
I’m looking forward to your next video - is it possible to beat that start sequence?
Whoah Big TV worthy- that’s a achievement by itself. You’re on point these are both spectacular in their own right- and and the 62mas reissue been delayed these might have been talked about more. But that’s why I’m here! Too kind buddy, really big thanks for your comments and for watching end to end
What is the difference between the SPB189 and the SBDC129?
Wow that SPB191 looks amazing with a grey strap! Great video man :)
One month ago I bought the SBDC029 SEIKO Shogun Titanium with the titanium bracelet for 900 $. This is my first automatic watch and I have been wearing it every day. I love this piece of art
Wow that is a real nice first choice! Congrats!
I bought it for this same price Yesterday!!! Dubai shopping festival ❤
Seiko are the masters of making big watches that wear small. Both models look really nice, but I think the white one just edges it for me.
Big watches? Are you 10?
I've just bought the white dial version black Friday sale and further discount from an AD for £500. I would never pay the RRP for it but for £500 I just couldn't pass it up. I've not got a white dial in my collection and this one looks so amazingly crisp. Can't wait to receive it.
That is a steal for that watch! Congrats on the pick up
@@perpetuality thank you brother and great video too. The presentation was amazing, it was the deciding factor to buy.
I thought i got a bargain at £575 today, well i did but £500 is a mega bargain , well done
@@greensidemags thanks buddy. I get all my watches from First Class Watches, they are brilliant UK based authorised dealers and you can make offers if it’s slightly over your budget.
Awesome dude! Congrats! So the action is better than the Turtles and Sumos then? Thank you
Love the video . Been researching the SPB189J1 until I come to your channel. Keep up the good work
Great great video, this watch has been on my radar for a while now. Settled with the king samurai mint for around 350. If I found this guy in the 700 range I'd pick it up in a heart beat
On sale in the UK. Goldsmith's. Half price. £535 GBP.
Happy New Year !
Fantastic and amazing review! I've watched this so many times and finally bought one. Can't wait for it to arrive. Thank you for the effort you put in your videos!
You are very welcome! Big congrats on making the jump. It’s quite the watch!
Very nice watches. Awesome cinematography here mate. Well done. 👏👏👏
Thank you Joey!
I bought this watch In white dial over a year ago heavily discounted at 575 GBP. It is absolutely fantastic.
Great price. The specs of this watch and materials I think it is a bargain when compared to other watches from switzerland
You are the best watch reviewer I've come across on youtube, thank you. Liked & Subbed.
Bryce that is very very generous of you to say. Thank you very much. 😀
I have the 191 on Silicone strap and love it. Good addition to the Prospex SPB207 & SRPE05 in the watch box. Love that NATO as goes very well indeed.
That silicone strap could live on that watch, its that good! My own pesky tendency to match straps made me switch it out, i couldnt resist. Thanks for watching!
Most people won't feel the need to pay the premium for titanium and no real upgrade in movement but that's the deception. Seiko will make far fewer of these than the stainless equivalents so in time these will hold value better and just be more special overall. The last Shogun had poorer power reserve and did not come with sapphire so this is a good upgrade.
my answer to this watch is Citizen Super titanium Tough, kevlar/titanium strap bracelet, 40mm 46 lug to lug, titanium monocase. Eco drive(this could be downside for someone), precise no maitenence. 300m WR - 500$
Such a cool watch man, love the cool color tones on the titanium case!
It’s a killer watch looking at the individual parts that make it whole. Thanks Daniel!
Kinda want one of these as a new beater diver even over a SLA model….Also I think that the new citizen auto diver is much better built and has better Titanium, but this is such a good looking and fresh design that is sorely needed in today’s “retro” dominated market
The only thing I don’t like is the price!! 🤣🤣🤣
You and me included! Haha
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@@PepeDeezNutz Wut??
@@daddykool9507 he’s agreeing with you….
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Great video review, really high quality. Might watch this one a few times, I've always admired the Shogun.
If I could nitpick, I'd get rid of A Man and His Watch. It's a bit of a watch channel cliché.
Thank you for the kind comment! I agree I have seen it a fair bit on many social media channels. This one was a gift from a loved one- who saw it from another channel. Ironic isnt it? but it's the thought that counts. The shogun deserves more love, it really stands on it's own as a great dive watch.
I believe the case of this version is the same as the previous gen SBDC029 (that I own) as I was watching this video while holding my shogun. I wear it more than my rolex and other watches, so yeah, pricey but you won't regret it.
I swapped the mineral crystal to double dome blue AR sapphire and the watch never leaves my hand. I can't wait to change the dial on this one and change the white date wheel disc from white to black. The last thing I want to have it changed is the bezel insert to be a ceramic one but so far I can't find it anywhere. If you do have information about it, please do share.
IMHO, if you can live without the white dial (as it is very stunning), get the Ti bracelet, it's so nice to wear it! but if you can source the Ti bracelet, buy the WHITE ONE for sure!
You summarized it nicely. Thanks for watching
The same here. Searching for ceramic bezel insert for ages. Nothing to change more in previous version. I like it more with Monster hands. They are very compliment with 12 o'clock index.
Great content as usual! Keep it up
Really kind of you Siddhartha Kazami. Thanks for watching ☕️
Hi where can you buy that gray strap? It's awesome!
Those shots are insane... you could film anything and I’d watch. 😂
Ahh thank you buddy- good to know I have potential to film just about anything 😂
Bought one
Love it
Thank you
Hello, fantastic review! I just wonder how's the accuracy on this watch after a long time of use ?
I just got one with the white dial, i removed that ugly date cyclops the second day I got it and it looks much cleaner now.
Nice pair of watches. Probably one of only a few white faced watches that I'd ever buy. Great review.
looks incredibly beautiful
Great video bud 👍 reminds me of the King samurai they released 😍
very similar case design to the king samurai- but its like the king went on a diet with this one 😅
@@perpetuality 😂😂😂 yeah I'm wearing mine as I watched your video and I can see it lol
Anyone who thinks 43.5mm is too large has a very small wrist. It’s a perfect size for 6.5-7in wrists. And btw the black dial watch is nicer than the white in regards to the bezel.
My understanding is that milling titanium is significantly harder than milling steel, hence why you see stamped titanium clasps at much higher price points than with steel clasps.
Makes total sense. Can only imagine the cost for a solid titanium clasp
You can find milled titanium clasps in the Prospex LX line. But that's at a different price point.
@@Wjl889$4000 Titanium Tudor Pelagos has a stainless clasp. Citizen gives you Ti clasps because Citizen is leading the state of the art for Titanium materials engineering. It’s amazing what Citizen can do with titanium, but I greatly prefer Seiko’s design and proportions compared to what Citizen offers.
I love the grey fabric bracelet. Where did you get it.
It’s been overlooked by me because of the constant misalignment of the 12 o clock indicies and the long lug to lug length
I do think this would be a good replacement for the white rolex explorer 2 and even though it is expensive it seems more realistically something I could afford
As the Seiko 5 resembles the Rolex Submariner's design, is this Seiko SPB191J1's design completely original, or does it take inspiration from any other iconic swiss watch?
Great video Perpetuality! I’ve just ordered mine from your video! Was wondering where did you get the NATO strap from?
Thank you David! The strap is a single pass nato from cheapestnatostraps. Great choice by the way!
@@perpetuality thanks again and for your in depth video 👍🏼
I can't help but wonder myself if the white-dialed King Samurai is the better value. They are very close in size, the same aesthetic, and hundreds of dollars cheaper (plus they also have a Sapphire crystal).
The big difference (besides SS vs titanium) is the 4r35/6 movement compared to the 6r35.
I also own the spb147 and have been less than impressed with the performance of the 6r35, mine is running about -15/20 per day. My 4th Gen Monster has much better accuracy and shares the same movement as the Samurai (SRPE37).
The difference in weight between the SS and titanium with both being on a silicone strap doesn't concern me.
I'd give anything for a video that compares the two watches!
Don't get me wrong... I do like both iterations of the Shogun, just not for the money they're asking. I'll wait for a price drop or a preowned one before I would consider it.
Thanks very much for your review!
Its funny I had the same thoughts as you- this would make a killer pre-loved watch to own at a discount. The money has gone into the labor for carving out titanium that would be the case- otherwise movement, fit and finish isnt too far off from the Samurai. Thanks for watching!
I have the king samurai for 300usd brand new, i dont think its worth it to buy this new shogun for 1500usd
@@jm-pj3ul Thanks very much! I have similar thoughts about it.
@@jm-pj3ul where did you get it, I’m looking for the white one on rubber.
Thanks!
Love the 1st version with no "X" logo
Hi, I wanna move the buckle to another strap when I get it. The new strap takes a 20mm clasp. Will the original fit on that? Thanks for the video, great work. Thanks!
The strap is 22mm tapering to 20mm It will fit but I would caution to check the holes on the new strap whether they will fit the seiko buckle.
@@perpetuality thanks so much for getting back to me
Fantastic Video! Thanks for showing the different angles and putting it on your wrist! (I have the same wrist size, and glad to see it wears well) haha.
Is it me, or is the '30' on the bezel misaligned at the 6 O'clock mark? I've noticed many Seiko watches has this same issue, including the SPB 213 I reviewed. This issues really should not happen for a watch at this price. Seiko should really pay more attention to their QC, especially to their Prospex line.
You’re right it is every so slightly off. My 213 suffers the same fate
What is the exact grey nato strap???
I got the titanium bracelet from the spb189 on the spb191 and I like how it looks.
Edit: I'm so disappointed with this watch, after a year and half that I've owned it, in 21 hours, it gets 1 minute and 50 seconds behind.
It’s a great looking watch!
can you buy that strap separately ?
@@greensidemags I got it from ebay
Is that 7sec a day fast or slow? I have ocd with slow watches 😬 That NATO looks perfect!!
That would be +7 seconds on average
This is cool great watch
What is the difference between the SPB189 and the SBDC129?
Both the same watches with different model numbers for the Asian/eu market versus North America
Also, looks comparable to the Omega Seamaster white dial
That’s a good comparison for white dials, it’s just lacking that gloss. But it is very much a beauty of its own. Thanks for watching taha tahir!
Seamaster is great but it looks far to blingy for a beater diver like this . Both are excellent execution of white dial divers
It almost looks like a Seiko Samurai. Yeah, the price is difficult to swallow. Much like all the SPB model Seiko's. I recently got my White Samurai SRPE37, and it's gorgeous. And King Samurai specs are almost on par with the Shogun. Only difference is the titanium of course. The waffle dial is awesome looking and for more than 50% the price of the Shogun. Question, what brand is that nato style band? Might look nice on the White Samurai also.
The Samurai would be a great alternative at 80% of the watch from the Shogun. The strap is from cheapestnatostraps! Thanks for watching
@@perpetuality Awesome!! Thanks for the like and response!!
If only they bleached the lume on this watch like how they did with the Seiko Nemo Turtle, this watch would have been way better.
Stunner
it is not underrated, I think people like it but the real reason doesn't get so much attention due to the price is a little bit high, will be more popular if the price can go down.
And not even a signed crown. Pathetic.
I think it’s fantastic, yes a little bit more expensive than other seikos, I love it! Maybe an alternative could be the king samurai on the white dial! For less $ 🤌🏻🤩
That’s a great way to put it- the samurai is going to get 80% of the experience of the shogun I think!
I love SHOGAN so much, Taiwan No.1!!
What brand strap is that?
What is the strap ur using ?
Its a single pass nato by cheapestnatostraps
@@perpetuality what's the size of strap this watch takes? 20 or 22mm?
good watch for hunting in Africa
I own the previous version with the round hour markers and those are much nicer in my opinion . These make it look like a titanium version of the Monster . Plus the clasp is absolute rubbish , the poor machining left the sharpish edges “ digging “ into my wrist making it unwearable on the bracelet . I had to buy the ratcheting type clasp part that is on the Tuna titanium , the inside of the clasp is stainless steel so wearable and the ratcheting function gives you that micro adjustment on the fly that is super handy. Why could they not just put that clasp on this model too ? Where is that Japanese precision and perfection , that attention to detail ? Nah, they mainly care about profit , just like everybody else ….
“I think I’m biased. Ok I’m biased” 🤣🤣🤣 he loves white
great, just not willing to pay the extra for the titanium ..
I think i saw a misalignment at 12
They look like all the other Seikos
Just my opinion but I do not think that is a bad thing
The watches are not overlooked, they are just overpriced.
I half agree with this. It is not cheap to craft a solid titanium case, bezel and even bracelet. The cost of tooling and manufacturing is enormous. It makes sense for these to be priced above equivalent steel watches. On the other hand I agree Seiko’s prices have been ballooning
@@perpetuality Seiko prices are much higher than ever before. The senior management wants to make it a prestige brand but this won't work because the quality is just not good enough. It's OK but not at the levels of the Swiss.
Don't cover your wrist 😂
my friend bought the same watch, sorry but its a waste of money
It's 100% overrated.
It's 100% too loved
It's 100% over priced
Only a fool would buy this !
That is part of the reason why it has not done as well as other Divers from Seiko. I do think at a discount or secondhand this would be a great watch. But to each his own