Here a better plot for "Return to Zombie Island" : After Daphne's TV show has ended, Fred thought it would be an opportunity to propose to Daphne, but that was quickly interrupted when they received a call from Beau Neville (who is now commissioner & mystery writer) to have them and the rest of the gang meet him up at the docks. It turns out that Beau is once again on the case of people disappearing to Moonscar Island, and since Scooby & the gang were there with him the last time, he needs their help. And the villains are a cult of Werecat worshippers that resurrect Simone, Lina, and Jaques (who are the zombies now) and vow to kill Scooby & friends after the Cat Creatures told them their fake story.
Velma watched with her very eyes Lena and Simone transform into cat creatures right in front of her even watch them and Jaque disintegrate in front of her as well the zombies finally justified they can rest how she think all this isn't real? This movie disrespectful.
Zombie Island is the most successful thing in Scooby Doo history it put Scooby Doo back in the map when the entire franchise was literally dying Zombie Island revived the franchise and inspired for Scooby Doo movies to be made every single year it even inspired the live action movies and the fact this sequel is a straight up disrespect to how much the original is in the Scooby Doo community is very shady on Warner Bros it's like they didn't watch the film this sequel or whatever it is should not have happened.
It must have been an insulting attempt to "deconstruct" fan-favorite films for everybody who hated them. Do you think this is worse than Velma, or is Velma still worse for actively hating its audience and actively getting its audience to hate its characters more?
Taking Beau out of the movie is actually such a disservice. I mean even with the Velma being skeptical bit in the first movie, that was mainly centered around her thinking that Beau was to blame for the “zombies”. I guess he was just swamp gas too though huh.
@@srstriker6420 In the original they both seemed skeptical, Daphne was the believer. That is fine if some people are unbelievable but overall with that level of over dedication its remarkably annoying.
Two things. First, as someone who watched Zombie Island on VHS alot, it felt surprising and scary when they found out the zombies and Cat monsters were real. Second, I miss when Mindy Cohn and BJ Ward voiced Velma! And yeah, I made a great choice in not watching this movie. 😞
Mindy Cohn was a surprisingly good Velma. Kate is just to nasally and her voice grates after a while and strangely sounds too close to her Webigale voice from Ducktales.
That last cat creature alone ruins the ending of the last film. The zombies in the first film could only Rest In Peace only if all the were cats were dead. If one of them were still alive, there would still be zombies roaming around.
I think it just adds to the fact that not every mystery will be solved and a bit of something for the audience to interpret themselves. That giant cat was real though.
@@ToonGrin Definitely One of The Scariest and grossest Scenes from Scooby Doo on Zombie Island is when Fred pulls off The Head of The Zombie off and it puts it's Head back on
it is my belief that this version of Velma (the "I refuse to believe that anything supernatural exists even when it's smacking me in the face" version of Velma) is the Velma from the stand alone canon of Frankencreepy where Velma turns evil.
When I saw mystery Inc series, zombie island, witches ghost, and alien invaders movies; was overjoyed with where the franchise was going. But then they went back. I was hopeful that these two movies were going to go back to something similar and explore the it's real concept like with the supernatural crossover. I was dissatisfied.
Not only that but the current corporate mooks don't want to confuse audiences with varieties. Basically, they think the viewership is composed of idiots because "some have supernatural elements and others don't."
I actually hated this movie so much that I contacted it's screenwriter to complain. He told me that he actually hates his own film as much as we do, and he was forced by the studio to make it like this because they insisted that the point of Scooby-Doo was to teach kids that monsters weren't real and there was nothing to be afraid of. He also told me he would pass on my complaints to the studio executive that said that.
The original Velma worked. Skeptical, but it made sense. A brilliant mind who wanted the truth. Current Velma cis a mess when there is even a hint at the supernatural.
NOSTALGIA FAN 96 Pretty sure she is already. I thought the dynamic between Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby and Scrappy worked better without Fred and Velma. Personally, if this version of Velma continues... I honestly want her to become an actual ghost and go insane when she returns several months later to try to start an apocalypse. They could crossover with “The Real Ghostbusters”. The plot would be in the first 5 minutes of the movie would have the ghost captured and bind to chains and is about to be unmasked only for said ghost to roll it’s eyes and phase through the chains and toss Velma out the window to her death. Several months later, we see Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby ridding around in the Mystery Machine on a case. During the drive Daphne mentions that Fred is now a mechanic in their hometown of Coolsville. Once the gang arrive at their case, they began investigating the mansion and run into the Ghostbusters and Slimer. After running around and capturing the guy in the suit, it would be revealed that the guy’s family was being held hostage and was to be a decoy for someone to get into the Ghostbusters vault. Almost immediately, both groups head to NY only to see a massive portal to the Ghost dimension wide open along with a cackling warped and distorted version of Velma floating next to the hostage family. After a brief scuffle, the group rescue the hostages and head back to the firehouse, they untie secretary and to Scooby’s surprise, his nephew Scrappy who is explained to have dwarfism and realized he needed another way to fight back do to his small height.
@@noahthepokemaster1572 Actually, he didn't voice Shaggy in Zombie Island. That was Billy West who later was replaced by Innes the following year for Witche's Ghost. The original will also be the only movie where Shaggy will ever be voiced by West.
To me it's a sequel to an event that we did not see in movie form that by sheer coincidence slightly resembled zombie island, yet was in an entirely different Universe from it.
From what it sounds like who ever is in charge of the Scooby Doo franchise right now seems to want to deconstruct every Scooby movie that has had real monsters in them and try to debunked them. I have a feeling that Reluctant Werewolf is next due to the fact that there was a cameo of it in Scooby Doo Return To Zombie Island just like how there was a cameo of Zombie Island in Scooby Doo Curse Of The 13th Ghost.
Okay... if you want to do a sequel to Zombie-Island, and try to make it Canon with any other Scooby-Doo property, I have one for ya: So remember "Witch's Ghost"? When Tim Curry's character was doing a monolog, it shows that in the paper he's reading, it's the gang solving a mystery about a monster. Does that monster look familiar? Because that's the same monster from the beginning of Zombie-Island. So if you want to make certain movies canon, just take the two BEST Scooby-Doo Movies and just use that. The Plot: Okay, so let's say that the gang are at the Hex Girls concert and after the show, they meet up with them. The Girls say that they are exhausted from all of their shows. Then as they go to pack up their instruments, they get a mysterious call saying that they won a trip to an island in New Orleans. (It doesn't matter how they do it, it's Scooby-Doo, just be creative) Once the gang hears about their prize, Scooby gets flashbacks of when the gang were on one of the islands where the zombies and cat-monsters attacked, and he tries to warn them about it, but then have Fred take extra precautions by saying that they'll tag along with the Hex Girls so they won't be in danger. And for the villains, one comment had this great idea and I totally agree with it. Have like a Cult of those cat monsters resurrect Simone, Lina, and Jaques as zombie-cat monsters and they want revenge on the gang! Might not be the best idea, but like... ALL of the pieces are there
I'd have much preferred Mystery Inc be kept out and have an original movie about Lena and Simone. See their pagan lifestyle, their neighbors and relatives, and in the present as a feature rather than a flashback. everything up to them sucking the souls out of the pirates. That could be a good film all its own right.
A Zombie Island prequel would likely be too dark for children, because we know that it would end with its main characters being drained of life force and zombified.
@@TheNotverysocial you want a prequel about how Lena and Simone became werecats? I thought you wanted one centering around a previous group of people who came to the island and were drained by them.
@@Supasmartguy Precisely. They had the more sympathetic tale. Certainly more than their later cohort, but they got addicted to the power. The pirates and slave traders/confederates garner little sympathy. Dupree and Lenoir's pagan colony would make for the best primary prequel story, the flashback made a main feature. At this point, theirs is the more intriguing tale, and the Mystery Inc gang is a hindrance, as was this abominable retcon of a sequel.
Ugh I really don't like denial Velma it's annoying and upsetting to see her character tainted. I love the gang it hurts to see them written so insultingly.
Curse of the 13th Ghost and Return to Zombie Island both released in 2019 make negative common sense to have been made. The timelines don't match up and are just plain unnecessary.
The cat person that was there all along and the gang didn't know about needs to make a return in a different movie Edit: I just realized it was actually attacking the gang
Gee what's next, they gonna have a movie where Velma tries to prove that Sarah Ravencroft wasn't a witch, or that Shaggy and Scooby didn't fall in love with aliens?
It would be kind of hypocritical for Velma to try and debunk aliens considering the fact these movie today seem to supposedly be in the same universe as the Batman Brave And The Bold movie where she met Martian Manhunter.
This movie a disgrace Scooby-Doo On Zombie Island is a classic that did not need a sequel for what? Everything was solved in the end and the fact this wack movie had to literally be retcon through Velma is horrible and how she even reminisce of it to only say this all wasn't real is very baffling when them being on Moonscar Island was a traumatizing experience for all 5 of them all of them nearly died and she witness and encoutered cat people, zombies and ghosts which were all real and she just dismiss it by saying it was all swamp gas? OH FUCK YOU MOVIE 😠
Feels like the person in charge of the latest movies is such a skeptic of the supernatural that they literally wont allow it in the series. Scrappy was more likable than this version of Velma.
And that's saying something. Watching 13 Ghosts with Scrappy and Flim-Flam was heaven compared to this version of Velma with her constant skeptic denial and whiny voice.
I'm confused over the movie on what the reasoning. Let's have the gang go to another country and solve a mystery there like the majority of the older films idkw I want one in China with the zodiac signs (I like fantasy) . No more remakes, No more sequels and no reharshes. And stop with the Velma denile although I did find the madness talk with Daphne kinda funny
@@ToonGrin Yes but I guess I was trying to find something decent and there wasn't ..... Well anything and this is just my taste of humour but I like someone going insane but the denial wasn't good last movie and it won't be for any future ones
Why Zombie Island? Why did it need a sequel? Couldn’t they have done a sequel of one of the other Scooby movies, like Boo Brothers or Ghoul School or The Reluctant Werewolf, because apparently canon to 13 Ghosts. Warner Bros. is so stupid.
I will only accept the witch's ghost sequel if we get Tim Curry back, and that his character escapes from the book with the witch living inside his body and the two occasionally taking control of one another.
I hate this film soooooo much. It’s so insulting. I agree with everything except your idea that they should’ve remastered the original film. The late 90s animation gave the the original film a classic and vintage aesthetic
It's just an alternative than making a film that decimates the original. Ideally, they'd relsea the original in theaters for a weekend and could release the Scoob trailer with it and it'd be a celebration.
Sigh... When the 13 Ghost movie was so bad, and this was announced I knew that this was going to happen. I kept hoping... But I knew it was. I know that some people will say you can't ruin the old movie or show by having these movies as sequels cause the originals still exist. But YES YES YOU CAN!. These abominations are so disrespectful to the originals. I absolutely hate the whole, attempts to scrub clean all supernatural stuff from the Scooby Universe. God what's next they going to ruin Witch's Ghost too? Why can't these people get it through their thick heads that what made Zombie Island and 13 Ghosts interesting was their flipping on the head of regular Scooby canon. And don't get me wrong it's not like I thought the original 13 Ghosts series was a masterpiece or something. But to write it all off as fakery misses the whole damn point! And Zombie Island is considered the flat out best Scooby movie by most fans. Just flat out.... Perhaps there was a reason why Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost are so beloved? I mean seriously!
Looking at the video. If Velmas was trying to rationalize the events of zombie island by saying that the original movie was about Simone, Lina, and Jaques were originally trying to find pirate treasure. Then why did they even bring the Scooby gang to the island if A. they had the key to finding the treasure. B. They knew the secret to finding the treasure. C. they owned the property above where the treasure was hidden. So finding treasure on their property isn't illegal, they didn't need any help in finding it, and the only problem they had were the zombies. In which the zombies were only after them and existed to warn the gang about what the cat people were doing. Plus at the end of the movie all the zombies and cat people dissapeared. Meaning that they have a missing persons case, which would be the one thing Velma needed to prove that the events on zombie island were fake. Yet they didn't find the original people, they couldn't disprove that the zombies back then were hallucinations because they were caught on camera, and they have no valid reason as to why they were even brought to the island. Yet apparently they made Velma have a fragile mindset so having a discussion against it would break her.
One thing that me and others actually liked about this movie was the fact there was a fourth cat creature, a big black panther man. Three cat creatures were unmasked, but the fourth one got away and was revealed not have been with the the other three.
When I read this film's plot with the Scooby Hoax on Moonscar Island in this sequel, I truly felt like a piece of my childhood had died. Reading about the 'Return to Zombie Island' canon discrepancies with the original movie is making me feel like said childhood's corpse is currently having CPR performed on it, but it's not enough. WB should either officially denounce this sequel for the backward, childhood-destroying crap it is, or make a third 'Zombie Island' film with confirmed-real monsters JUST to retcon this film from continuity!
What also got me riled up is the fact that the Sheriff bans the mystery gang from solving anymore mysteries. That’s a concept ripped straight from the Mystery Incorporated series, which had a reason why that is.
I would of thought that if there was any of treasure then Simone and Lina would used it to pay for maintenance of the property before setting up the plantation
I think It would have been better if the gang returning actually woke up the zombies. Disrespectful film crew disturbing the cursed land and risking reawakening the cat god by trying to uncover the pirate gold that was the cause of her subjects deaths would be an interesting idea.midway through filmmaking the movie they release the producers missing and the zombie extra’s are real after chasing off the real ones. They chase the gang into the gold as it’s about to be dug up and before it can the ghost reappears to surprise him long enough to let the gang catch him.
I really hate you, Warner Brothers. It's time for the fans to take back Hanna-Barbera. I'd make a more mature Scooby-Doo movie where the gang are called in to help local law enforcement solve a series of murders along the Androscoggin River in Maine. After thorough investigations of the crime scenes and interviews with the local Indian tribes, and a tour of the paper mill, Velma discovers that the lumber company has been using Methyl Mercury to preserve their timber, thus contaminating the whole forest. After Scooby discovers a pair of mutated bear cubs trapped in a poacher's fishing net, the gang are relentlessly chased by the mutant mama bear. Which does turn out to be a real monster, of course.
Okay here's my thought's on how Velma is written in this movie! in this I feel like is that the Movie was farming like Velma's Spectism as a joke. Which I don't mind the problem is it feels the writers of RTZI didn't think this Joke though at all if you get what I mean. It also feels like when you watch the scene's with Velma's you ask what is the joke in the movie with Velma? Is the Joke that Velma is spectalie that she's Igronate or is that Velma is so spectalie she can't tell what's real and not real? In some cases you can make an argument how Velma is written is similar to have the Titans in Teen Titans Go are written or how Patrick was in the Post Movie Era of Spongebob(Season 4-9a) . In those shows,The way Patrick and titans are written most of their episodes in those series (Or in Patrick's case a downhill seasons of very good show) most are there actions,jokes and motives are about their personalities. What they like,There flaws and weakness,What they hate,there famous characteristic! To the point that the character is more a stereotype or an archetype of the character they are. Like in TTG all Robin's scene's and moment's are how much an arrogant immature guy who thinks the world owes him something! With Patrick it's more in these season's just the stupid to the point the show makes it's feel the writer's are telling "Because Patrick is stupid he's useless"! This well Velma in this movie! It feels like in this movie Velma isn't her own character in this movie just a stereotype/archetype of the smart girl character!
I think they were too busy making a sequel to curse of the 13th ghost instead of making a sequel to zombie island that could be the reason why the tone was light hearted and the cat creatures and zombies were guys in masks despite them being real
You know what WB should do to improve over Scooby Doo Return To Zombie Island? Make a remake of Scooby Doo On Zombie Island, have either John R Dilwroth or Craig McCracken to make it, have it be gross like having blood and snot and have the zombies use foul language, sure kids might be shocked that Zombie Island may have changed into a nightmare, but it would be better than the sequel.
I just lol'd when the announcement of the reboot was coming. I was like, those who didnt like Scooby-Doo but liked ZI are gonna be very disappointed! (Coming from having watched 13th ghost)
I agree 100% to every single thing in this video. I just watched both zombie island and return to zombie island back to back and for someone whos first introductions to scooby doo was the 4 movies from 1998 to 2001 my first movies being cyber chase and alien invaders this new movie was complete garbage and a slap in the face to all fans of the original movies and shows between 1985 to 2001. While watching the new one I covered my face over half of the 80 minute movie because the movie was so bad it made me sad to see that this is what WB does for a cash grab on one of the best scooby doo movies ever. Glad I got the new movie but I think I will never watch it again. Just like scooby doo wwe curse of the speed demon from 2016 got it in 2016 have not watched the movie in almost 3 years it was so bad.
If Velma claim everything was swamp gas then where is Lena, Simone and Jacque who was servicing them on the island where they at? Velma a jackass in this movie one of the reasons this movie is garbage she know her past experience in the island was real and the rest of the gang just goes with it I can't believe these classic movies been retcon to appeal the younger artist just cause they wouldn't watch the older movies this sequel was never needed or ask for the original will forever be the real thing.
Unlikely. 13 ghost was a critical failure only lasted 1 season and never even getting a proper ending for years. Now a reboot would be a good idea, explore the angle and slightly shift it up.
Maybe 13 Ghosts should have got the Ducktales 2017 treatment instead of remaking New Movies. But should be kept as a Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne series cause Fred and Velma would ruin it.
Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated to me found the right way to handle skepic Velma. When she found out that the super natural was real, first was in denial (when it was still somewhat reasonable) then she had a mental breckdown since everything she belived was shattered and she started belinving that science and facts where now useless and nothing made sense anymore, then after she calmed down she accepted the existence of the supernatural integrating it with the science she knew, ad esample using the multiverse theory to make sense of the evil entity's existence. Because that's what a real smart person would do when she has undeniable evidences of something that she tought was impossible actually existing. If the "supernatural" was real it would be just a form of science we didn't know before, and it could be studied and interpreted with the same method, you would just need to change some rules. Denying the evidences is not rational, is stupid. Also this movie being a sequel to 13th ghost make no sense. Why when Velma was dening the existence of the 13th ghost no one pointed out to her that she saw the zombies and the cat creatures and so on? And why Fred was implied to be not familiar with real monsters either when not only he was there on Zombie Island but unlike Velma he accepted the whole situation according to this movie?
1:43 There is Huckleberry Hound and friends, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Wacky Races also Snagglepuss is from The Yogi Bear Show and Squiddly Diddly is from the Secret Squirrel Show as well as Wally Gator from one of Hanna barbera's older show, what is Tom and Jerry doing here that is pre Hanna-Barbera
I'd call it... 'loose canon'. Anything that retcons plot points to the point they no longer connect isn't full canon, it's loose canon at best. Think of it like... how those events played out in a slightly different universe to the original. :p
What make Velma skepticism even weirder is that Mystery Incorporated referenced the 13 ghost by putting in Flim-Flam in the museum. My theory is that Velma knows ghost are real but is in denial because after years of mystery solving with her friends and the ghost was always fake, their is now a chance that the ghoul they are facing could is real and that mystery they are sovling could be their last, at any time a demon could destroy the world. I think she tries to find a logical explainion to everything and pass off ghosts as fake just to cope with the fact that it could all end while they are being meddling kids.
Well, that's inferring that there is somehow canon amongst the multitude of series which there isn't logically. I do think your idea that she is coping is actually better because at least then that can add a degree of depth within the denial instead of it simply being denial to fit that character archetype for the sake of the IP{. The idea that it's a lot for her to take in and deal with is much more a fascinating idea.
Maybe the Werecat was actually Beau that wanted to investigate more about the Moonscar Island and the Cat God Cult, or, perhaps, the Werecat was actually the Cat God himself.
They never define WHO the Werecat is. That'd be an interesting idea but there is very little chance they were ever planning to die it back to the film because the WB mandate seems to be to vito and nyx anything supernatural.
They'll just make a sequel to the reluctant werewolf and do it in reverse where everyone else is a werewolf except Shaggy, Dracula will be back with another nefarious scheme and Velma will still claim its all a buncha hoopla that isn't real despite being a werewolf. Which come to think of it, she was a werewolf already in the film Goblin King. ruclips.net/video/5LW48n8PpKg/видео.html
Never thought I would feel so strongly about a movie. Scooby-Doo has always had a special place in my heart growing up, whenever I rewatch the old shows, I always enjoy them even as an adult. The Direct to DVD movies made me a fan of the franchise since they came out around the time I was born (1999). I didn't care about the 13th Ghosts, but Zombie Island was my favorite, I rewatched it recently and when I found out they made a sequel, I was excited. When I watched it, I was disappointed beyond belief. The characters were annoying, the design and soundtrack failed to meet expectations, and the whole plot was garbage.
@@ToonGrin Yes! I hated how they made everyone younger. Something that added to Zombie Island was that the whole gang was older and more experienced. Making them kids again didn't make sense to me. Another thing was that I had no idea why Fred sold the Mystery Machine since I didn't see the 13th Ghost and had no idea this was a sequel to another movie besides the 1st Zombie Island.
Here's my pitch for the the movie Scooby Doo:Curse Of Zombie Island/as the gang have been reunited they start thinking they what other things in life daphen&fred what to start their own family Velma gets a gets a offer to have a book tour and shaggy&scooby deal with there friends with changes offer a deal to take up a new case the gang are back in New Orleans for a new case for the distributor of hot pepper plantation Whic they deal with a creature Loup Garou a werewolf type creature which leads the gang to question why they are back near a revamped location the company aquired the land they were before where it can that the new plantation owner had connections to a unnoticed plot that Simone had a 4th member running that business which a possible relative is running the company which leads the gang to stopping the villain
I Only Saw The Title For This Sequel When I Was Looking Through The Scooby-Doo Wikipedia Saying It's Currently Under Development. No Other Information I Could Find. I Didn't Even Try🤔 I Don't Know When It's Coming Out Or If Production Has Even Started ❓ And My Family Has No Idea What Return To Zombie Island Is! 👩👨👴👵 This Is All A Mystery To Me🕵🔍🐕
I always thought that the gang was around 30, possibly their late 20s, considering in a REAL sequel to Zombie Island-- Witch's Ghost-- they were still called "kids" by a guy who is likely in his mid-40's, at oldest. And considering their personalities, I like to think they're still young enough in that movie that they wouldn't be offended if they were asked how old they were.
@@ToonGrin I was just talking specifically about Zombie Island. I think you summed it up, though. The writing for Return is just so incompetent that that there's no way it's canon with the first Zombie Island. At best, it's a fan movie. At worst, it's a disrespectful POS.
WB have proven they don't care about Scooby. First, they spit in the fan's faces by making a terrible conclusion to 13 Ghost. Then they disrespect fans more by making a half assed sequel to Zombie Island. A movie lots of people loved! I loved the original Zombie Island! It was dark, yet had some funny moments to lighten things up. It's a shame WB just went, "Meh." And tossed down this badly made sequel. This movie also isn't canon, cause of how the zombies somehow came back, despite being put at peace. Not to mention, all the continuity errorsyou mentioned. I'm glad I didn't watch this. Just an example how WB put no love in this sequel. What a horrible way to celebrate Scooby's 50th birthday. Also, I hope they get rid of Velma. She's become such an insufferable character. I hate her now. She's obnoxious, smug, and arrogant. I'd rather appreciate it if the next movie is just about Shaggy and Scooby. At least they're likable.
They care. It makes money, that's why its the only HB property that still remotely thrives. The zombies didn't come back in Return, they were actors in makeup. The Cat Demon was real, but it never explored as to who it is, how they got the cat gift or if they are flat out still eating people because they are still out there on the loose. They likely will never change mystery incs the current team dynamic for years to come.
@@ToonGrin In that case, I take back what I said about the zombies. I'm glad they didn't retcon that at least. I heard about that cat god and I honestly, it's interesting to think that could be the cat god mentioned in the first zombie island movie. Just a shame he wasn't allowed to confront the gang. I like the idea of the cat god coming to confront the mystery gang. I'm fine with keeping the dynamic going. But Velma needs to be more likable. She's suppose to be one of the protagonist, yet acts like an obnoxious, arrogant know it all. And not the lovable know it all who makes you laugh. The type of know it all you want to scream shut up at. Velma acts like she knows more than everyone else. This and 13 ghost just make her so unlikable, I don't wanna see her anymore. I know the gang's dynamic is the iconic part of the series, but Velma's arrogance makes me want to see her get kicked out of the gang. I don't get why anyone would still be friends with her at this point.
Let's face it Hannah Barbara was the magic behind Scooby Doo because they were not afraid to show Scooby Doo in more risky situtions and have real monsters.
That giant black cat looked very real though. So there probably is a legit supernatural element on that island. And I feel Velma was simply in denial and trying to grasp the most logical reason. I also feel this had some satire of the director Smithee making a cash grab. I kind of liked this though.
The cat is straight up a werecat like the first film... so I guess it will just eat souls. Velma has been on a downward spiral for far too long with this extremists mentality on denial of the supernatural.
@@ToonGrin Exactly. The story could be where they're asked to come to Zombie Island because a movie studio wants them to oversee a production they're making based on their adventure, however, people on set begin disappearing and disturbing things begin to happen which forces the gang to investigate which ultimately brings them to the heart of the island where they find something relating to the cat god or the cat god itself.
I agree, Warner bros were cowards and basically They are free with mint that the fact the movies on Scooby-Doo that were directed by jim stenstrum are the best Scooby Doo films, especially when Scooby-Doo deal with supernaturals instead of people with masks and the present Scooby-Doo films are just nothing not scary as the ones we liked there’s nothing good about them not scary or edgy or gruesome as jim stenstrum Scooby Doo films were
Remaster zombie island. Weeeell about that. In a very very very weird twist of events at a time where Warner Bros was shitting the bed they somehow. SOMEHOW! Put Zombie Island on Blu-Ray. I couldn’t believe it.
So in summary, this movie basically prey's on people's faulty memories to tell its story. Congratulations WB, you have successfully $#@+ on your audience and insulted their intelligence, bravo. I think the only aspect this movie stays true to as far as the spirit of Scooby-Doo is how the first 25 episode run series just made shit up in terms of evidence against the culprit (who sometimes we the audience weren't even privy to, a joke "What's New?" actually had in one episode, involving Velma funnily enough). At least I THINK, it's been a while since I've seen any of those episodes so I don't remember if you could actually solve the mystery along with the gang or not, my brain is saying "some evidence was out of nowhere and others were shown" so I'm not 100% sure. Also legit, it would have been hilarious (and cathartic) if the reason for Velma's (and Fred's, maybe Daph's) personality shifts in terms of being reset to "there's no such things as ghosts" was the result of magic altering their memories. Granted I haven't seen "Happy Halloween" but I can see there being a case of "sometime off screen, they were doused with a variation of Fear Toxin or something that causes the same memory altering effect" and maybe even tying to one of the original 13 Ghosts that weren't captured back in the original 13 Ghosts show. Like I said in the 13th Ghost movie review video, the gang live in a world that more often than not is depicted in the world of the DC comics due to the presence of Batman (and Scarecrow in the Happy Halloween movie), and supernatural stuff happens ALL THE TIME in that canon. By acknowledging Batman (in any capacity, be it him or his villains), you acknowledge the world of DC, which canonically has magic and monsters. When you have a DC related (even tangentially) property that is basically attempting to deny its own world logic, well there you go...you have a property that is basically attempting to deny its own world logic.
Also why did they had to be immortal because they only used their power for one thing, I believe the power got into their heads were they think it’s natural behaviour and share it with the ferry driver just like the Hulk in Old Man Logan
They explain it in the Zombie Island movie, When Simone Lena destroyed the pirates they were cursed by the Cat God for using their powers for revenge which limited their lifespan to which they would have died the next year during the harvest moon. This resulted in Simone and Lena having to sacrifice and drain the souls from the living during every harvest moon in order for them to keep living.
Remember in the Scooby-Doo and supernatural crossover when they discovered that the monster wher real and they freaked out because of that. Maybe that's the reason why the gang deny monster exists in the new films like return to zombie island?
They denied it in Return to Zombie Island and 13th Ghost because WB heads believe it would confuse people if sometimes its supernatural and sometimes isn't. WB has little respect of folks intellect.
they should have made movie events being manipulated by ghost of cat creatures wanting revenge on mystery inc they failed of course get their tail kicked back into afterlife
The orginal one is so much better. Characters looked stylised as well. The whole "Canon" thing is confusing and makes no sense, since the OG, the gang was older. Here, they are younger...?
Younger, they remove the part where they all had jobs, the fact that the cats nearly killed mystery inc entirely. It's basically an equivalent to how history books "wash history" to "look cleaner".
you know connecting zombie island and 13th ghost doesn't make since when you think about it. like daphne said that she wanted to find a real ghost but she saw real ghost in the 13th ghost of scooby doo?
I don't even think we thought of that because we were still trying to register everything in this trilogy. The fact they are like "Oh reluctant werewolf also canon" is a big...what? So did Shaggy just casually mention "One summer me and my girlfriend Googie (none of you will remember her) were out with Scooby and Scrappy (you'll never remember him) and we competed in a race with Dracula (yes him) and I was a werewolf."
Here a better plot for "Return to Zombie Island" :
After Daphne's TV show has ended, Fred thought it would be an opportunity to propose to Daphne, but that was quickly interrupted when they received a call from Beau Neville (who is now commissioner & mystery writer) to have them and the rest of the gang meet him up at the docks.
It turns out that Beau is once again on the case of people disappearing to Moonscar Island, and since Scooby & the gang were there with him the last time, he needs their help.
And the villains are a cult of Werecat worshippers that resurrect Simone, Lina, and Jaques (who are the zombies now) and vow to kill Scooby & friends after the Cat Creatures told them their fake story.
Dude that would have been awesome. WB can't do anything right.
Good change of plot although the motive I would change
By "fake story" do you mean the treasure story or the backstory because their back story is real
Now that sounds like a Actual Sequel.
Sophie Gerlofs I think it would be a fake story of why they were killed
Velma watched with her very eyes Lena and Simone transform into cat creatures right in front of her even watch them and Jaque disintegrate in front of her as well the zombies finally justified they can rest how she think all this isn't real? This movie disrespectful.
oh that was just swamp gas
@@reptile1687 Velma's brain is made of swamp gas if she thinks that.
Zombie Island is the most successful thing in Scooby Doo history it put Scooby Doo back in the map when the entire franchise was literally dying Zombie Island revived the franchise and inspired for Scooby Doo movies to be made every single year it even inspired the live action movies and the fact this sequel is a straight up disrespect to how much the original is in the Scooby Doo community is very shady on Warner Bros it's like they didn't watch the film this sequel or whatever it is should not have happened.
It must have been an insulting attempt to "deconstruct" fan-favorite films for everybody who hated them. Do you think this is worse than Velma, or is Velma still worse for actively hating its audience and actively getting its audience to hate its characters more?
Taking Beau out of the movie is actually such a disservice. I mean even with the Velma being skeptical bit in the first movie, that was mainly centered around her thinking that Beau was to blame for the “zombies”. I guess he was just swamp gas too though huh.
Making a sequel to one of the most acclaimed Scooby-Doo properties and saying it's all "bullcrap" is in it itself a disservice.
Velma's denial is incredibly strong in this one
To quote Lord Morlock "The stupidity is strong in that one." haha.
Gator Shark08 it’s really ruined her character because it was Fred who was in denial
@@srstriker6420 In the original they both seemed skeptical, Daphne was the believer. That is fine if some people are unbelievable but overall with that level of over dedication its remarkably annoying.
Plot twist: The "real" Velma went missing and the current Velma is an imposter.
ToonGrin yeah
Two things. First, as someone who watched Zombie Island on VHS alot, it felt surprising and scary when they found out the zombies and Cat monsters were real. Second, I miss when Mindy Cohn and BJ Ward voiced Velma! And yeah, I made a great choice in not watching this movie. 😞
Mindy Cohn was a surprisingly good Velma.
Kate is just to nasally and her voice grates after a while and strangely sounds too close to her Webigale voice from Ducktales.
ToonGrin And also the fact that they made Velma very unlikable.
ToonGrin She sounds like a more annoying Lois Griffin.
Velma became toxic bile when Kate Micucci began voicing her. COINCIDENCE!? Maybe..
FireRising86 Especially with how the writers ruined her character.
That last cat creature alone ruins the ending of the last film. The zombies in the first film could only Rest In Peace only if all the were cats were dead. If one of them were still alive, there would still be zombies roaming around.
oh the whole film is just a mess.
Also how come this cat creature survive and the others don't?
To quote MST3K .... “They just didn’t care”
I think it just adds to the fact that not every mystery will be solved and a bit of something for the audience to interpret themselves.
That giant cat was real though.
@@ToonGrin Definitely One of The Scariest and grossest Scenes from Scooby Doo on Zombie Island is when Fred pulls off The Head of The Zombie off and it puts it's Head back on
it is my belief that this version of Velma (the "I refuse to believe that anything supernatural exists even when it's smacking me in the face" version of Velma) is the Velma from the stand alone canon of Frankencreepy where Velma turns evil.
When I saw mystery Inc series, zombie island, witches ghost, and alien invaders movies; was overjoyed with where the franchise was going. But then they went back. I was hopeful that these two movies were going to go back to something similar and explore the it's real concept like with the supernatural crossover. I was dissatisfied.
because What's New Scooby Doo was that successfull
Not only that but the current corporate mooks don't want to confuse audiences with varieties.
Basically, they think the viewership is composed of idiots because "some have supernatural elements and others don't."
I actually hated this movie so much that I contacted it's screenwriter to complain. He told me that he actually hates his own film as much as we do, and he was forced by the studio to make it like this because they insisted that the point of Scooby-Doo was to teach kids that monsters weren't real and there was nothing to be afraid of. He also told me he would pass on my complaints to the studio executive that said that.
For real?
@@JJWolford yes.
@@Supasmartguy Couldn't they have at least made them the same age and still have their jobs?
@@JJWolford he also told me a goal of the film was to retcon the older films into a new continuity.
@@Supasmartguy Then why make it a sequel? They might as well have called it a reboot.
Old Velma>New Velma
The original Velma worked. Skeptical, but it made sense. A brilliant mind who wanted the truth.
Current Velma cis a mess when there is even a hint at the supernatural.
@@ToonGrin if they keep portraying Velma this way she will soon end up in the same boat as Scrappy.
NOSTALGIA FAN 96 Pretty sure she is already. I thought the dynamic between Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby and Scrappy worked better without Fred and Velma.
Personally, if this version of Velma continues... I honestly want her to become an actual ghost and go insane when she returns several months later to try to start an apocalypse. They could crossover with “The Real Ghostbusters”.
The plot would be in the first 5 minutes of the movie would have the ghost captured and bind to chains and is about to be unmasked only for said ghost to roll it’s eyes and phase through the chains and toss Velma out the window to her death.
Several months later, we see Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby ridding around in the Mystery Machine on a case. During the drive Daphne mentions that Fred is now a mechanic in their hometown of Coolsville. Once the gang arrive at their case, they began investigating the mansion and run into the Ghostbusters and Slimer. After running around and capturing the guy in the suit, it would be revealed that the guy’s family was being held hostage and was to be a decoy for someone to get into the Ghostbusters vault.
Almost immediately, both groups head to NY only to see a massive portal to the Ghost dimension wide open along with a cackling warped and distorted version of Velma floating next to the hostage family. After a brief scuffle, the group rescue the hostages and head back to the firehouse, they untie secretary and to Scooby’s surprise, his nephew Scrappy who is explained to have dwarfism and realized he needed another way to fight back do to his small height.
Lol, Linas face in the thumbnail!! 😂
It's pure beauty :P
I’m not even gonna try to list my complaints, all I gotta say is Velma needs some therapy, BIG TIME!
Also, THIS MOVIE DID NOT NEED TO BE MADE!
Plus they didn't let Scott Innes reprise his roles as Scooby-Doo & Shaggy
@@noahthepokemaster1572 Actually, he didn't voice Shaggy in Zombie Island. That was Billy West who later was replaced by Innes the following year for Witche's Ghost. The original will also be the only movie where Shaggy will ever be voiced by West.
Therapy ain't gonna fix stupidity lol.
Especially for her font obsession
I refuse to consider this even remotely canon to me it's a alternate timeline.
To me it's a sequel to an event that we did not see in movie form that by sheer coincidence slightly resembled zombie island, yet was in an entirely different Universe from it.
From what it sounds like who ever is in charge of the Scooby Doo franchise right now seems to want to deconstruct every Scooby movie that has had real monsters in them and try to debunked them. I have a feeling that Reluctant Werewolf is next due to the fact that there was a cameo of it in Scooby Doo Return To Zombie Island just like how there was a cameo of Zombie Island in Scooby Doo Curse Of The 13th Ghost.
Imagine ghoul school and they decide the girls were all in costumes and were just a performing arts school.
ToonGrin Dude careful, don’t give them ideas lol
MarioKartGamerDude Too late!! lol
Okay... if you want to do a sequel to Zombie-Island, and try to make it Canon with any other Scooby-Doo property, I have one for ya:
So remember "Witch's Ghost"? When Tim Curry's character was doing a monolog, it shows that in the paper he's reading, it's the gang solving a mystery about a monster. Does that monster look familiar? Because that's the same monster from the beginning of Zombie-Island. So if you want to make certain movies canon, just take the two BEST Scooby-Doo Movies and just use that.
The Plot: Okay, so let's say that the gang are at the Hex Girls concert and after the show, they meet up with them. The Girls say that they are exhausted from all of their shows. Then as they go to pack up their instruments, they get a mysterious call saying that they won a trip to an island in New Orleans. (It doesn't matter how they do it, it's Scooby-Doo, just be creative) Once the gang hears about their prize, Scooby gets flashbacks of when the gang were on one of the islands where the zombies and cat-monsters attacked, and he tries to warn them about it, but then have Fred take extra precautions by saying that they'll tag along with the Hex Girls so they won't be in danger.
And for the villains, one comment had this great idea and I totally agree with it. Have like a Cult of those cat monsters resurrect Simone, Lina, and Jaques as zombie-cat monsters and they want revenge on the gang!
Might not be the best idea, but like... ALL of the pieces are there
I'd have much preferred Mystery Inc be kept out and have an original movie about Lena and Simone. See their pagan lifestyle, their neighbors and relatives, and in the present as a feature rather than a flashback. everything up to them sucking the souls out of the pirates. That could be a good film all its own right.
A Zombie Island prequel would likely be too dark for children, because we know that it would end with its main characters being drained of life force and zombified.
@@Supasmartguy No, only werecats.
@@TheNotverysocial you want a prequel about how Lena and Simone became werecats? I thought you wanted one centering around a previous group of people who came to the island and were drained by them.
@@Supasmartguy Precisely. They had the more sympathetic tale. Certainly more than their later cohort, but they got addicted to the power.
The pirates and slave traders/confederates garner little sympathy.
Dupree and Lenoir's pagan colony would make for the best primary prequel story, the flashback made a main feature.
At this point, theirs is the more intriguing tale, and the Mystery Inc gang is a hindrance, as was this abominable retcon of a sequel.
You know what I'd like, a Scooby apocalypse animated show.
Maybe that might be the next series after scooby doo and guess who
Yes that was a great comic book series, I have every issue.
Man this movie sucked hard. You want to know what the worst part is? By the end of the movie they already TEASED they are doing a SEQUEL...
That's why the fans gived it a 29%
Ugh I really don't like denial Velma it's annoying and upsetting to see her character tainted. I love the gang it hurts to see them written so insultingly.
Curse of the 13th Ghost and Return to Zombie Island both released in 2019 make negative common sense to have been made. The timelines don't match up and are just plain unnecessary.
The cat person that was there all along and the gang didn't know about needs to make a return in a different movie
Edit: I just realized it was actually attacking the gang
It flat out tried to kill them and is defeated when Fred bumbles and hits it with a door and then we never see it again.
@@ToonGrin well I might have thought of it differently I've only seen it once
What if that cat was scrappy?
Gee what's next, they gonna have a movie where Velma tries to prove that Sarah Ravencroft wasn't a witch, or that Shaggy and Scooby didn't fall in love with aliens?
Honestly, that'd be hilariously spiteful.
It would be kind of hypocritical for Velma to try and debunk aliens considering the fact these movie today seem to supposedly be in the same universe as the Batman Brave And The Bold movie where she met Martian Manhunter.
This movie a disgrace Scooby-Doo On Zombie Island is a classic that did not need a sequel for what? Everything was solved in the end and the fact this wack movie had to literally be retcon through Velma is horrible and how she even reminisce of it to only say this all wasn't real is very baffling when them being on Moonscar Island was a traumatizing experience for all 5 of them all of them nearly died and she witness and encoutered cat people, zombies and ghosts which were all real and she just dismiss it by saying it was all swamp gas? OH FUCK YOU MOVIE 😠
I love Scooby Doo. But not everything is perfect. Like this hot pile of garbage. I can't believe they did this to my favorite cartoon.😢
Look what they did to my boy
Don't worry, You can get Zombie Island on BR
Along with Return to Zombie Island
Feels like the person in charge of the latest movies is such a skeptic of the supernatural that they literally wont allow it in the series.
Scrappy was more likable than this version of Velma.
And that's saying something. Watching 13 Ghosts with Scrappy and Flim-Flam was heaven compared to this version of Velma with her constant skeptic denial and whiny voice.
Facts at least Scrappy is just annoying while this new version of Velma is just a disgrace to the character
The Last Jedi ain't canon and neither is this monstrosity!
I'm confused over the movie on what the reasoning.
Let's have the gang go to another country and solve a mystery there like the majority of the older films idkw I want one in China with the zodiac signs (I like fantasy) . No more remakes, No more sequels and no reharshes. And stop with the Velma denile although I did find the madness talk with Daphne kinda funny
its sort of funny if you look at the project as a deconstructive parody but thats not what fans want out of a sequel to one of their favorite films.
@@ToonGrin Yes but I guess I was trying to find something decent and there wasn't ..... Well anything and this is just my taste of humour but I like someone going insane but the denial wasn't good last movie and it won't be for any future ones
Why Zombie Island? Why did it need a sequel? Couldn’t they have done a sequel of one of the other Scooby movies, like Boo Brothers or Ghoul School or The Reluctant Werewolf, because apparently canon to 13 Ghosts. Warner Bros. is so stupid.
Jaden That’s obvious
I fear the sequel will be the witch’s ghost returns and the alien invaders strike back!
Reluctant Werewolf as there was a cameo of it in this movie, just like how this movie made a cameo in the last movie.
(I swear to the cat god, if they desecrate 'Alien Invaders' the way they've disrespected 'Zombie Island'...) >:( >:(
I will only accept the witch's ghost sequel if we get Tim Curry back, and that his character escapes from the book with the witch living inside his body and the two occasionally taking control of one another.
I hate this film soooooo much. It’s so insulting. I agree with everything except your idea that they should’ve remastered the original film. The late 90s animation gave the the original film a classic and vintage aesthetic
It's just an alternative than making a film that decimates the original.
Ideally, they'd relsea the original in theaters for a weekend and could release the Scoob trailer with it and it'd be a celebration.
We all know that the true sequel to zombie island was the witches ghost!!
And the other MOOK animations.
Sigh... When the 13 Ghost movie was so bad, and this was announced I knew that this was going to happen. I kept hoping... But I knew it was. I know that some people will say you can't ruin the old movie or show by having these movies as sequels cause the originals still exist. But YES YES YOU CAN!. These abominations are so disrespectful to the originals. I absolutely hate the whole, attempts to scrub clean all supernatural stuff from the Scooby Universe. God what's next they going to ruin Witch's Ghost too?
Why can't these people get it through their thick heads that what made Zombie Island and 13 Ghosts interesting was their flipping on the head of regular Scooby canon. And don't get me wrong it's not like I thought the original 13 Ghosts series was a masterpiece or something. But to write it all off as fakery misses the whole damn point! And Zombie Island is considered the flat out best Scooby movie by most fans. Just flat out.... Perhaps there was a reason why Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost are so beloved? I mean seriously!
Love the commentary of this movie! There were so much things I missed from it and just felt disappointed throughout so this video fleshed it out!
I'm on the same level as you.
A requel that done HORRIBLY wrong.
(Requel is half reboot and half sequel)
I thought you were just saying sequel in a Scooby Doo voice.
@@moseyonover733 I thought so too 😂
Looking at the video. If Velmas was trying to rationalize the events of zombie island by saying that the original movie was about Simone, Lina, and Jaques were originally trying to find pirate treasure. Then why did they even bring the Scooby gang to the island if A. they had the key to finding the treasure. B. They knew the secret to finding the treasure. C. they owned the property above where the treasure was hidden. So finding treasure on their property isn't illegal, they didn't need any help in finding it, and the only problem they had were the zombies. In which the zombies were only after them and existed to warn the gang about what the cat people were doing. Plus at the end of the movie all the zombies and cat people dissapeared. Meaning that they have a missing persons case, which would be the one thing Velma needed to prove that the events on zombie island were fake. Yet they didn't find the original people, they couldn't disprove that the zombies back then were hallucinations because they were caught on camera, and they have no valid reason as to why they were even brought to the island. Yet apparently they made Velma have a fragile mindset so having a discussion against it would break her.
8:26 Jeez really WB. I'm glad this was just Zombie Island and not CyberChase or Witches Ghost. Why make Velma go through the Denial route????
Power100 #NotMyVelma
Did WB not learn anything from Curse of the 13th Ghost? It's almost like they're deliberately trying to fuck up good movies by skewering their canon.
No. Now let us never speak of it again.
How's the 13th ghost sequel canon with The Reluctant Werewolf? I tried finding an explanation on RUclips, but came up short. Can anyone explain??
Hardly any effort was put into this film, 😔. And if they were to remaster Zombie Island, would that effect the voice acting as well?
It probably would but that's definitely a better alternative to the Zombie Island "sequel" "reboot"
@@ToonGrin True, it would definitely be a more satisfying adjustment.
The effort was arguably put forth, stepping on so much progress that the original made must mean they made the effort to undercut it all.
@@ToonGrin It's like The People Who made Scooby Doo Return to Zombie Island never bothered to watch The Original Movie
Return to Zombie island was really bad rushed writing not thought out at all. Nothing like the really well made original Zombie Island.
I wish the would remaster all the old scooby doo movies and series
One thing that me and others actually liked about this movie was the fact there was a fourth cat creature, a big black panther man. Three cat creatures were unmasked, but the fourth one got away and was revealed not have been with the the other three.
I'm glad I avoided this... Thank you for the entertaining review.
It's rather depressing to watch.
When I read this film's plot with the Scooby Hoax on Moonscar Island in this sequel, I truly felt like a piece of my childhood had died. Reading about the 'Return to Zombie Island' canon discrepancies with the original movie is making me feel like said childhood's corpse is currently having CPR performed on it, but it's not enough.
WB should either officially denounce this sequel for the backward, childhood-destroying crap it is, or make a third 'Zombie Island' film with confirmed-real monsters JUST to retcon this film from continuity!
What also got me riled up is the fact that the Sheriff bans the mystery gang from solving anymore mysteries. That’s a concept ripped straight from the Mystery Incorporated series, which had a reason why that is.
I HATE Velma in these two movies, she is so ANNOYING.
Dang, I was born the year before Zombie island…… I feel old.
#NotMyVelma
I would of thought that if there was any of treasure then Simone and Lina would used it to pay for maintenance of the property before setting up the plantation
I think It would have been better if the gang returning actually woke up the zombies. Disrespectful film crew disturbing the cursed land and risking reawakening the cat god by trying to uncover the pirate gold that was the cause of her subjects deaths would be an interesting idea.midway through filmmaking the movie they release the producers missing and the zombie extra’s are real after chasing off the real ones. They chase the gang into the gold as it’s about to be dug up and before it can the ghost reappears to surprise him long enough to let the gang catch him.
That'd be leagues better than what we actually got.
Ah yes make the gang revert to teens even though they were young adults in Zombie adults 😅
They clearly had careers.
I really hate you, Warner Brothers. It's time for the fans to take back Hanna-Barbera.
I'd make a more mature Scooby-Doo movie where the gang are called in to help local law enforcement solve a series of murders along the Androscoggin River in Maine. After thorough investigations of the crime scenes and interviews with the local Indian tribes, and a tour of the paper mill, Velma discovers that the lumber company has been using Methyl Mercury to preserve their timber, thus contaminating the whole forest. After Scooby discovers a pair of mutated bear cubs trapped in a poacher's fishing net, the gang are relentlessly chased by the mutant mama bear. Which does turn out to be a real monster, of course.
Okay here's my thought's on how Velma is written in this movie! in this I feel like is that the Movie was farming like Velma's Spectism as a joke. Which I don't mind the problem is it feels the writers of RTZI didn't think this Joke though at all if you get what I mean. It also feels like when you watch the scene's with Velma's you ask what is the joke in the movie with Velma? Is the Joke that Velma is spectalie that she's Igronate or is that Velma is so spectalie she can't tell what's real and not real? In some cases you can make an argument how Velma is written is similar to have the Titans in Teen Titans Go are written or how Patrick was in the Post Movie Era of Spongebob(Season 4-9a) . In those shows,The way Patrick and titans are written most of their episodes in those series (Or in Patrick's case a downhill seasons of very good show) most are there actions,jokes and motives are about their personalities. What they like,There flaws and weakness,What they hate,there famous characteristic! To the point that the character is more a stereotype or an archetype of the character they are. Like in TTG all Robin's scene's and moment's are how much an arrogant immature guy who thinks the world owes him something! With Patrick it's more in these season's just the stupid to the point the show makes it's feel the writer's are telling "Because Patrick is stupid he's useless"! This well Velma in this movie! It feels like in this movie Velma isn't her own character in this movie just a stereotype/archetype of the smart girl character!
I think they were too busy making a sequel to curse of the 13th ghost instead of making a sequel to zombie island that could be the reason why the tone was light hearted and the cat creatures and zombies were guys in masks despite them being real
You know what WB should do to improve over Scooby Doo Return To Zombie Island?
Make a remake of Scooby Doo On Zombie Island, have either John R Dilwroth or Craig McCracken to make it, have it be gross like having blood and snot and have the zombies use foul language, sure kids might be shocked that Zombie Island may have changed into a nightmare, but it would be better than the sequel.
I just lol'd when the announcement of the reboot was coming. I was like, those who didnt like Scooby-Doo but liked ZI are gonna be very disappointed! (Coming from having watched 13th ghost)
I agree 100% to every single thing in this video. I just watched both zombie island and return to zombie island back to back and for someone whos first introductions to scooby doo was the 4 movies from 1998 to 2001 my first movies being cyber chase and alien invaders this new movie was complete garbage and a slap in the face to all fans of the original movies and shows between 1985 to 2001. While watching the new one I covered my face over half of the 80 minute movie because the movie was so bad it made me sad to see that this is what WB does for a cash grab on one of the best scooby doo movies ever. Glad I got the new movie but I think I will never watch it again. Just like scooby doo wwe curse of the speed demon from 2016 got it in 2016 have not watched the movie in almost 3 years it was so bad.
If Velma claim everything was swamp gas then where is Lena, Simone and Jacque who was servicing them on the island where they at? Velma a jackass in this movie one of the reasons this movie is garbage she know her past experience in the island was real and the rest of the gang just goes with it I can't believe these classic movies been retcon to appeal the younger artist just cause they wouldn't watch the older movies this sequel was never needed or ask for the original will forever be the real thing.
21:04 New Mysteries and the original 13 Ghosts also need remasterings.
Unlikely. 13 ghost was a critical failure only lasted 1 season and never even getting a proper ending for years. Now a reboot would be a good idea, explore the angle and slightly shift it up.
Maybe 13 Ghosts should have got the Ducktales 2017 treatment instead of remaking New Movies. But should be kept as a Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne series cause Fred and Velma would ruin it.
Scooby-Doo and the 13 ghosts is actually one of my favorite Scooby-Doo cartoons.
The only way I could explain Velma is that after having such a traumatic experience in Zombie Island the irrational skepticism was a coping mechanism.
Do you plan on doing your review on Trick or Treat Scooby Doo?😃
Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated to me found the right way to handle skepic Velma. When she found out that the super natural was real, first was in denial (when it was still somewhat reasonable) then she had a mental breckdown since everything she belived was shattered and she started belinving that science and facts where now useless and nothing made sense anymore, then after she calmed down she accepted the existence of the supernatural integrating it with the science she knew, ad esample using the multiverse theory to make sense of the evil entity's existence. Because that's what a real smart person would do when she has undeniable evidences of something that she tought was impossible actually existing. If the "supernatural" was real it would be just a form of science we didn't know before, and it could be studied and interpreted with the same method, you would just need to change some rules. Denying the evidences is not rational, is stupid.
Also this movie being a sequel to 13th ghost make no sense. Why when Velma was dening the existence of the 13th ghost no one pointed out to her that she saw the zombies and the cat creatures and so on? And why Fred was implied to be not familiar with real monsters either when not only he was there on Zombie Island but unlike Velma he accepted the whole situation according to this movie?
1:43 There is Huckleberry Hound and friends, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Wacky Races also Snagglepuss is from The Yogi Bear Show and Squiddly Diddly is from the Secret Squirrel Show as well as Wally Gator from one of Hanna barbera's older show, what is Tom and Jerry doing here that is pre Hanna-Barbera
Think they are just sort of integrated now into being considered HB properties by this point.
@@ToonGrin What is with the garbage scene?
Which scene is that?
@@ToonGrin Yeah, the most popular are now just Tom and Jerry and Scooby-Doo.
I thought Velma was supposed to be the smart one in the gang
I'd call it... 'loose canon'. Anything that retcons plot points to the point they no longer connect isn't full canon, it's loose canon at best. Think of it like... how those events played out in a slightly different universe to the original. :p
So your saying that the two movies take place in different universe?
@@gavinelrod6307 Yes, where similar events happen. One universe where monsters are real, and another where they're not.
@@muthesquirrel cool
That's arguably worse isn't it?
So we never get a actual follow up to Zombie Island and instead get some mundane slog of a concept.
Its funny I read this as like the writer was a Loose Cannon who was just going off any and everywhere.
It's easy for Velma to four the realness of everything when shaggy and Scooby were put in the most risk
Return to Zombie Island is so fun. They should have put it on 4K Blue-Ray along with the other 3 movies.
Yeah I been waiting for your review of this movie
We hope it was worth the wait ^_^
ToonGrin it completely was I can’t wait to show it to my friend :)
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ToonGrin of course bro I’ll post it on Facebook:)
What make Velma skepticism even weirder is that Mystery Incorporated referenced the 13 ghost by putting in Flim-Flam in the museum. My theory is that Velma knows ghost are real but is in denial because after years of mystery solving with her friends and the ghost was always fake, their is now a chance that the ghoul they are facing could is real and that mystery they are sovling could be their last, at any time a demon could destroy the world. I think she tries to find a logical explainion to everything and pass off ghosts as fake just to cope with the fact that it could all end while they are being meddling kids.
Well, that's inferring that there is somehow canon amongst the multitude of series which there isn't logically. I do think your idea that she is coping is actually better because at least then that can add a degree of depth within the denial instead of it simply being denial to fit that character archetype for the sake of the IP{. The idea that it's a lot for her to take in and deal with is much more a fascinating idea.
Maybe the Werecat was actually Beau that wanted to investigate more about the Moonscar Island and the Cat God Cult, or, perhaps, the Werecat was actually the Cat God himself.
They never define WHO the Werecat is. That'd be an interesting idea but there is very little chance they were ever planning to die it back to the film because the WB mandate seems to be to vito and nyx anything supernatural.
I think most of us would rather prefer to act like Return to Zombie Island doesn’t exist😉
We'll put it over there...an never speak of it.
I’m still waiting for them to address Shaggy once being a werewolf. That movie will be good if they acknowledge the supernatural.
They'll just make a sequel to the reluctant werewolf and do it in reverse where everyone else is a werewolf except Shaggy, Dracula will be back with another nefarious scheme and Velma will still claim its all a buncha hoopla that isn't real despite being a werewolf. Which come to think of it, she was a werewolf already in the film Goblin King. ruclips.net/video/5LW48n8PpKg/видео.html
Never thought I would feel so strongly about a movie. Scooby-Doo has always had a special place in my heart growing up, whenever I rewatch the old shows, I always enjoy them even as an adult. The Direct to DVD movies made me a fan of the franchise since they came out around the time I was born (1999). I didn't care about the 13th Ghosts, but Zombie Island was my favorite, I rewatched it recently and when I found out they made a sequel, I was excited. When I watched it, I was disappointed beyond belief. The characters were annoying, the design and soundtrack failed to meet expectations, and the whole plot was garbage.
It spends more time seemingly undoing the movie its a sequel too.
@@ToonGrin Yes! I hated how they made everyone younger. Something that added to Zombie Island was that the whole gang was older and more experienced. Making them kids again didn't make sense to me. Another thing was that I had no idea why Fred sold the Mystery Machine since I didn't see the 13th Ghost and had no idea this was a sequel to another movie besides the 1st Zombie Island.
3:51 If thats the case they should have just left it alone and made something original.
Here's my pitch for the the movie Scooby Doo:Curse Of Zombie Island/as the gang have been reunited they start thinking they what other things in life daphen&fred what to start their own family Velma gets a gets a offer to have a book tour and shaggy&scooby deal with there friends with changes offer a deal to take up a new case the gang are back in New Orleans for a new case for the distributor of hot pepper plantation Whic they deal with a creature Loup Garou a werewolf type creature which leads the gang to question why they are back near a revamped location the company aquired the land they were before where it can that the new plantation owner had connections to a unnoticed plot that Simone had a 4th member running that business which a possible relative is running the company which leads the gang to stopping the villain
Looks like I'm in need of a trim.
I Only Saw The Title For This Sequel When I Was Looking Through The Scooby-Doo Wikipedia Saying It's Currently Under Development. No Other Information I Could Find. I Didn't Even Try🤔 I Don't Know When It's Coming Out Or If Production Has Even Started ❓ And My Family Has No Idea What Return To Zombie Island Is! 👩👨👴👵 This Is All A Mystery To Me🕵🔍🐕
7:18 I smell weird retcons!!!!
I always thought that the gang was around 30, possibly their late 20s, considering in a REAL sequel to Zombie Island-- Witch's Ghost-- they were still called "kids" by a guy who is likely in his mid-40's, at oldest. And considering their personalities, I like to think they're still young enough in that movie that they wouldn't be offended if they were asked how old they were.
I think it's dependent on the writers. Because in Be Cool they are doing one last trip before going to college.
@@ToonGrin I was just talking specifically about Zombie Island. I think you summed it up, though. The writing for Return is just so incompetent that that there's no way it's canon with the first Zombie Island. At best, it's a fan movie. At worst, it's a disrespectful POS.
WB have proven they don't care about Scooby. First, they spit in the fan's faces by making a terrible conclusion to 13 Ghost. Then they disrespect fans more by making a half assed sequel to Zombie Island. A movie lots of people loved! I loved the original Zombie Island! It was dark, yet had some funny moments to lighten things up. It's a shame WB just went, "Meh." And tossed down this badly made sequel.
This movie also isn't canon, cause of how the zombies somehow came back, despite being put at peace. Not to mention, all the continuity errorsyou mentioned. I'm glad I didn't watch this. Just an example how WB put no love in this sequel. What a horrible way to celebrate Scooby's 50th birthday.
Also, I hope they get rid of Velma. She's become such an insufferable character. I hate her now. She's obnoxious, smug, and arrogant. I'd rather appreciate it if the next movie is just about Shaggy and Scooby. At least they're likable.
They care. It makes money, that's why its the only HB property that still remotely thrives.
The zombies didn't come back in Return, they were actors in makeup.
The Cat Demon was real, but it never explored as to who it is, how they got the cat gift or if they are flat out still eating people because they are still out there on the loose.
They likely will never change mystery incs the current team dynamic for years to come.
@@ToonGrin In that case, I take back what I said about the zombies. I'm glad they didn't retcon that at least.
I heard about that cat god and I honestly, it's interesting to think that could be the cat god mentioned in the first zombie island movie. Just a shame he wasn't allowed to confront the gang. I like the idea of the cat god coming to confront the mystery gang.
I'm fine with keeping the dynamic going. But Velma needs to be more likable. She's suppose to be one of the protagonist, yet acts like an obnoxious, arrogant know it all. And not the lovable know it all who makes you laugh. The type of know it all you want to scream shut up at. Velma acts like she knows more than everyone else. This and 13 ghost just make her so unlikable, I don't wanna see her anymore. I know the gang's dynamic is the iconic part of the series, but Velma's arrogance makes me want to see her get kicked out of the gang. I don't get why anyone would still be friends with her at this point.
Let's face it Hannah Barbara was the magic behind Scooby Doo because they were not afraid to show Scooby Doo in more risky situtions and have real monsters.
That giant black cat looked very real though. So there probably is a legit supernatural element on that island.
And I feel Velma was simply in denial and trying to grasp the most logical reason. I also feel this had some satire of the director Smithee making a cash grab.
I kind of liked this though.
The cat is straight up a werecat like the first film... so I guess it will just eat souls.
Velma has been on a downward spiral for far too long with this extremists mentality on denial of the supernatural.
I think a cool idea is if the gang tries to uncover what the heck was up with the whole cat god and what it even is.
Have them explore the nature of it an what other cultures it might be tied into or sprung off from. Maybe like ancient Egypt with Bast.
@@ToonGrin Exactly. The story could be where they're asked to come to Zombie Island because a movie studio wants them to oversee a production they're making based on their adventure, however, people on set begin disappearing and disturbing things begin to happen which forces the gang to investigate which ultimately brings them to the heart of the island where they find something relating to the cat god or the cat god itself.
I agree, Warner bros were cowards and basically They are free with mint that the fact the movies on Scooby-Doo that were directed by jim stenstrum are the best Scooby Doo films, especially when Scooby-Doo deal with supernaturals instead of people with masks and the present Scooby-Doo films are just nothing not scary as the ones we liked there’s nothing good about them not scary or edgy or gruesome as jim stenstrum Scooby Doo films were
THE FUCKING BACKGROUND MUSIC
I wanted to watch this but just could not make it through more than 2 minutes with that music. Jesus
Good work Taylor and Nero
Thank you ^_^
Remaster zombie island. Weeeell about that. In a very very very weird twist of events at a time where Warner Bros was shitting the bed they somehow. SOMEHOW! Put Zombie Island on Blu-Ray. I couldn’t believe it.
So in summary, this movie basically prey's on people's faulty memories to tell its story. Congratulations WB, you have successfully $#@+ on your audience and insulted their intelligence, bravo.
I think the only aspect this movie stays true to as far as the spirit of Scooby-Doo is how the first 25 episode run series just made shit up in terms of evidence against the culprit (who sometimes we the audience weren't even privy to, a joke "What's New?" actually had in one episode, involving Velma funnily enough). At least I THINK, it's been a while since I've seen any of those episodes so I don't remember if you could actually solve the mystery along with the gang or not, my brain is saying "some evidence was out of nowhere and others were shown" so I'm not 100% sure.
Also legit, it would have been hilarious (and cathartic) if the reason for Velma's (and Fred's, maybe Daph's) personality shifts in terms of being reset to "there's no such things as ghosts" was the result of magic altering their memories. Granted I haven't seen "Happy Halloween" but I can see there being a case of "sometime off screen, they were doused with a variation of Fear Toxin or something that causes the same memory altering effect" and maybe even tying to one of the original 13 Ghosts that weren't captured back in the original 13 Ghosts show.
Like I said in the 13th Ghost movie review video, the gang live in a world that more often than not is depicted in the world of the DC comics due to the presence of Batman (and Scarecrow in the Happy Halloween movie), and supernatural stuff happens ALL THE TIME in that canon. By acknowledging Batman (in any capacity, be it him or his villains), you acknowledge the world of DC, which canonically has magic and monsters. When you have a DC related (even tangentially) property that is basically attempting to deny its own world logic, well there you go...you have a property that is basically attempting to deny its own world logic.
The real question are the others cannon to zombie island
At least the 50th gave us a Blu-Ray boxset
To answer the question as to whether ot not its canon. No. Not its not. It shall never be considered canon
Its highly unlikely it will be referenced outside of Easter eggs.
Also why did they had to be immortal because they only used their power for one thing, I believe the power got into their heads were they think it’s natural behaviour and share it with the ferry driver just like the Hulk in Old Man Logan
They explain it in the Zombie Island movie, When Simone Lena destroyed the pirates they were cursed by the Cat God for using their powers for revenge which limited their lifespan to which they would have died the next year during the harvest moon. This resulted in Simone and Lena having to sacrifice and drain the souls from the living during every harvest moon in order for them to keep living.
I'm hoping that they don't mess with Scooby-Doo and the witch's Ghost another one of my favorite Scooby-Doo movies.
This movie is NOT an official sequel to Zombie Island. Its a sequel that makes fun of and reckons the first film.
Its something that's for sure.
Remember in the Scooby-Doo and supernatural crossover when they discovered that the monster wher real and they freaked out because of that. Maybe that's the reason why the gang deny monster exists in the new films like return to zombie island?
They denied it in Return to Zombie Island and 13th Ghost because WB heads believe it would confuse people if sometimes its supernatural and sometimes isn't. WB has little respect of folks intellect.
@@ToonGrin ok and why did they put two movies from different canon in the same universe?
they should have made movie events being manipulated by ghost of cat creatures wanting revenge on mystery inc they failed of course get their tail kicked back into afterlife
The orginal one is so much better. Characters looked stylised as well. The whole "Canon" thing is confusing and makes no sense, since the OG, the gang was older. Here, they are younger...?
Younger, they remove the part where they all had jobs, the fact that the cats nearly killed mystery inc entirely. It's basically an equivalent to how history books "wash history" to "look cleaner".
i find it odd and random that reluctant werewolf of all things is canon in this train wrack of a movie
you know connecting zombie island and 13th ghost doesn't make since when you think about it. like daphne said that she wanted to find a real ghost but she saw real ghost in the 13th ghost of scooby doo?
I don't even think we thought of that because we were still trying to register everything in this trilogy. The fact they are like "Oh reluctant werewolf also canon" is a big...what?
So did Shaggy just casually mention "One summer me and my girlfriend Googie (none of you will remember her) were out with Scooby and Scrappy (you'll never remember him) and we competed in a race with Dracula (yes him) and I was a werewolf."
@@ToonGrin yeah pretty weird?