DRAG RACE: Which Of These Four Performance Cars Can Beat the 2020 Honda Civic Type R?
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( www.TFLcar.com ) It's not too often we get to test a fun manual car on the track, let alone four of them! In this video, we pitch the 2020 Mazda MX-5 Miata against the Honda Civic Si, Mini John Cooper Works GP and the recently updated Honda Civic Type R to see which is the quickest and the most fun in a drag race, and which one we'd actually buy with our own money.
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Great video. Nathan is such a competitor, that it pains him to lose. Andre isn't much better. However, both are gracious in the end and they are fun to watch.
Legend has it, they are still trying to figure out how to turn off the traction control in the Civic Si
I've never seen anything like it. Honda probably made it as difficult to crack as Fort Knox because a large proportion of Civic or Si owners are probably 18-28 years old. But I can't picture a FWD Civic swinging it's tail out that easily. You'd have to drive like a total hooligan to do that. It's dumb.
"Badass Sushi" that's awesome good comparison's guys
If you need a mathematics degree to *really* shut off the TC in the Honda... The Miata won! That is all.
It's 2020 nobody thought to grab their phone and go on Civic Si forum and see how to disable it? It took me about 3 min to find what took him 20 min. But hey kudos for figuring it out the old fashion way
They could have just pulled the fuze
Yeah bring in an AUTOMATIC MERCEDES with almost 400 HP against a FWD with clutch and almost 90 HP less... I mean.. Wtf? 🤔
well the type r is supposed to be fast and the (wildcard) is a 4,000 plus pound suv...its all in good fun.
@@lovescamaros1 The Type R, is very fast for its category and money. Its also not so light as you might think. However the Mercedes costs maybe 2 or 3 times more, is Automatic which means no skill is required from the driver in a drag race, just push the gas pedal and go. And most importand it's AWD. So yeah for the fun as you say but the type R stood no chance from the start
Focus RS woulda gave that Mercedes a good run.
@@Vosovogalsyncope a good run yeah but would have lost because it also does not stand a change against an automatic AWD Mercedes of 400HP
@@zealeau The Focus RS puts more power to weight ratio with the AWD, my bet with a good driver the RS would beat it.
Turning off that traction control looked like you were typing in a grand theft auto cheat code
it's like the contra-code on LSD or something.
2:53 Miata in left lane, 2:54 Miata in right lane? (Queues Xfile music)
@@rubiks15 same with Mercedes and Type R run.
All of these cars are nice, but everytime I watch a review of the Type R or MINI JCW I'm reminded of how ahead of its time the WRX STI was. 300 HP and around 280 TQ Turbo 4 cylinder in 2003 in USA. Handled well, almost indestructible engine, and maintained value. Even the base 2002 WRX with 228 HP was an amazing value and would hold its own against the cars in this competition.
indestructible engine?????
The engine is ass
@@wavy518 lmfao
New cars has much better corner handling, much better overall features but yeah WRX, Eclipse and Evo was beast!
I own 2019 Type R. Thing is such a blast to drive. I've never owned a car like this that I just want to hop in every second
Wish i could afford one
I’ve got a red 2019 too. 😎
@Yonkaboo Exkaboo I'd rather take the 2021 Acura TLX Type S later next year.
Same, totally in love with my R. #26306
@Mikie Jones stock is 306hp/295lb so about ~300hp at the wheels is average stock. With basic bolt-on parts and a tune you're looking at anywhere between 350 to 400 but the tune is essential to get those gains. The ECU in the car is smart enough that if you do FBO parts without a tune you will see minimal gains... maybe 320-340 as it's going to automatically compensate for that change to try and keep you in factory specs. A simple drop-in filter will give you +10hp in this car, where a $1400 intake will only give you +20hp. That same intake with a tune and you're looking at +50hp. With a totally stock car + tune you can easily get an extra 40-50hp out of this car depending on how aggressive you are with the tables.
1 mile above sea level helps turbo over NA.
Its unbelievable how many steps does the Si needs to turn off the traction control completely, I mean its to complicated. It should be one single button and that's it, no more.
My Fusion has a button. My Miata is asking me what Traction Control is.
Love the looks and driving feel of the Miata and Mini, but for a fun, practical, reliable, affordable daily driver, it's hard to beat the overall value of the Civic SI.
Phrancis5 cerato/forte gt
@@sugarnads they dont have a limited slip differential
You'd be surprised how practical the mini can be. If u get the non vertible version, cargo space with seats down is really good. Even the space in the vertible isn't bad
I thought I wanted one, but then I went and test drove one.
Hopping out of my Fiesta ST and into a Civic SI, it just felt completely dead, and numb.
If you actually like to drive, and you like a car to communicate with you, it was hard to beat the fiesta.
Even stock it feels amazing, but with some chassis bracing and a flash tune, it's a beastly little go-kart.
I’d take the mini honestly because of how small it is and how fun and cool it looks.
Sorry about the brain damage
Nathan exists!
You guys need to take the Si around the track again this time with the TC fully disabled. It would shave off alot of time.
And I was right lol
How do you full disable it? I thought you just push the traction control button? Theres more to it?
What a stupid way to disable traction control. My Elantra Sport is easy. Just push the button once for traction control, hold it for a few seconds and it disables stability control as well. And the Straight Pipes were faster on the autocross with the Elantra vs the Si. The only issue with the Elantra is the aftermarket isn’t anywhere as good as it is for the Si.
@@iDrive4fun93 the Si in that StraightPipes review probably wasnt fully disabled
Mike Stanis hold it down for about 10 seconds with the e brake on, and then, it should say vsa fully off
Thank you for never showing any bias against Honda and always giving them a fair shake as real car enthusiasts
When has Honda ever had a problem not getting a fair shake?
That brand has the most fanboyist fanbois in the industry.
Lol! “If it was my money, I’d buy the typeR because I’m a boy racer”!! 😂👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😂
And Jason from Engineering Explained would take the Miata.
He would also take a crosstrek and a Tesla...
But damn give him an s2000 and he sells it lol
I like the Type R, but i wish they would of made it in 2 door.
That was a Civic Si loss in my book. Race until you get the winner you want, I see. Imagine being on the street with an Si and wanting to actually accelerate.
The Adventure Auto yeah that is for sure. If you can't get it to run without a 5 minute procedure then it's useless. Win goes to the Miata. Now go to something approaching sea level...
Yeah, the Civic SI was a disappointment in my view. A car that's marketed for performance and speed should have those options ready to go by default, not send you on a wild goose chase to figure out how to get the best performance out of it.
Joe Grubb Anyone with a civic knows that procedure it doesn’t take 5 minutes 15 seconds max I do it all the time
Tyler Wilson If you just want traction control off its one button so idk why they needed stability off
@@camdenkaminsky4819 Because it made the car a lot faster. It's almost like a cheat code in a video game.
Why's the type r even there
@Sergio Aguirre uh... No.
@Sergio Aguirre the Honda Civic type-r is more expensive than the Miata after dealers put on ridiculous dealer fees and or accessories.
@Sergio Aguirre I don't know if it's region or not however I have experienced having to pay closer to $44,000 for Honda Civic type-r here in the Pacific Northwest, however the RF Mazda Miata with the Brembo package as you describe topped out at 37 as you mentioned... I personally would choose the Miata, simply because I enjoy roadsters having driven both find it a more pleasurable experience overall... but I will not deny the practicality overall is far better in the type R with including passengers grocery shopping and other safety features
@Michael Bailey in which region did you purchase your vehicle, firstly congratulations I really hope you're enjoying it, and secondly here in the Pacific Northwest do seem to be an inflated price across the region for tae bars regularly hitting the lower $40,000 range
@Sergio Aguirre you keep referring to the Mazda Miata as slow, I agree that they're not as powerful, but the latest with the 181 HP motor gives a huge jump in performance and driving pleasure... certainly worlds better than the civic si.. the type r is something else entirely, over 120HP more than the miata and over 100 more than the SI.
More than anything, I do believe that you should get a better interior quality in the Civic type-r for the price you're paying granted that is an entirely different subject
“I’m badass sushi” best damn line I’ve heard from this show
Like always, the Miata is just chillin. Happy to be included.
Cool! thank you guys for doing these mash ups
I have a 19 si I never had an issue turning off my traction control maybe the 20s are different
Does it help it launch better with it on or off?? I can't decide
The Type R is a beast but Miata Is Always The Answer. Period.
@giantmidget08 only if its stock and pink lol
giantmidget08 😂 LOL You obviously never driven one. I’ll give you a run down on the fastest growing trend right now is the NA Miata. They will be collector items. Boy racers love them. I’ve owned two and one was turbocharged. My dream Miata will have an LS. Modern day Cobra. There is a reason why Miata has outlived its competition, i.e., S2000. Ive owned everything from GT-500, Acura Integra, Dakota 5.9 R/T and various Ford pickups and nothing I’ve owned has been as fun as my Miatas. Go test drive one on a real road. You can’t beat it at the price! www.automobilemag.com/news/mazda-mx-5-miata-na-first-generation-five-reasons-to-love/
giantmidget08 I love all those cars you mentioned. I totally agree with you on the Horsepower but the Miata wasn’t originally designed to be a high horsepower car. That’s why I had a turbo on my first Miata. If money was no object I would still lean to driver focused cars VW R32, Focus RS, GT-350R, Skyline R34, C6 Z06, BMW M3, Porsche 911 GT3 RS just to name a few. I just love 🚗 cars!
I'd pick a 4-door Civic Si for daily driving too.
WRX is almost same price still pick it? Base WRX 27k otd 1.9 72 while Si 24k otd 2.9 60
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks Not really the same price, can negotiate a new 2020 civic si under 24k pretty easily. Also the interior of the civic si is 100% much better for daily driving in terms of comforts and amenities given for the price. I was heavily considering a WRX before I got my 2020 Si but the interior is too outdated for me and just felt cheap
@@SteezyKenny I ment otd also it's only cheaper if you keep it forever. Look up 17+ WRX used values vs 17+ si. I do agree WRX is outdated we got one more year hopefully it's good
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks Yes that's true, from what it seems like though it seems like the new civics are holding their value pretty well. WRX hold values much better though, honestly if the WRX had a bit better interior then I might've pulled the trigger but the reliability issues scare me
@@SteezyKenny I believe the Honda will be more reliable long term after the 100k. Least drivetrain I don't know about all the extra tech. Pretty much everything far as daily driver the civic is better unless snow. Just depends what you prioritize if it's all out performance you already know. Got 15 WRX new now 91k miles only mod e85 tune I'm making 330whp been super reliable so far. It's hard resisting urge of launching every light once you experience AWD but that's what saved my transmission. I beat a type R even with 5.0 and 1LE with under a $1k in mods
2:54 Why did the Civic on the left side when it started on the right side?
I'd take the Miata but while I like the Civics I'd rather buy an Accord Sport 2.0t.
@Lavonte A. I have an Accord Sport 2.0t and a ‘16 Miata. If it’s raining or winter I drive the Accord. Otherwise it’s the Miata all day, every day. It’s unbelievably fun even though the Accord is faster.
Nah, wait for the TLX Type S coming out soon
I have a 2019 Si and love it. Just wish the 2.0 accord came with an LSD like the Civics.
@@anthony5786 yeah without it the si is more fun and faster on the track then the 2.0 accord.
Now do GP3 VS Type R. Both 306 BHP, but the MINI has a better engine and far less weight! 💪🤙
Where is a GTI or Golf R and a Hyundai Veloster N. Heck even throw in a WRX or STI. Then you have a more complete competition. This is a bunch of light weights vs Type R.
Damn right the wild card should have been a GTI A GOLF R OR VELOSTER N FOR SURE!
They test what they happen to have. They call them mash-ups.
@@lfsracer79 You still need to the right cars to be competitive. I have a Charger Daytona and a Rav4 I am not going to compare the two and call it a mash up. Those cars were so out of a Type R's league it was in a different universe.
Lmaoo guy driving the si doesn’t know how to drive and is a joke lmaoo “he’s got more power but his car is old”
I've always been a V8 guy got a Shelby GT350 and a scat pack charger for my wife and our 2 boys but lately I've been thinking about getting something with better mpg and those new Type R's have really been growing on me I love how they look lowered on some nice wheels probably gonna end up getting one once this pandemic is over
Kudos to you guys for for using the TC cheat code in the Si. You don't see many outlets that dive that deep into these type of things.
That in and of itself is enough to never buy one.
@@deejayimm That's a pretty incorrect thing to say.
@@kadedone Well maybe to you, but definitely not to me.
Not to mention the fact that it feels dead and numb to drive.
I thought I'd really like it, but I hopped out of my fiesta st gokart and into a bucket of room temperature lard.
@@deejayimm There you go, you said it yourself, it's all about opinion. I've tried the focus st and fiesta st and really enjoyed them for what they were. The Honda's powertrain and transmission felt more precise even if the car was down on power to the focus. And the Si weighs only slightly more than the Fiesta even though it have much more room. So it's very tossable and rotates well and makes the fords seem sloppy with their controls. But that's my opinion, as long as you enjoy what you got that's all that matters.
That Konami code you have to perform to disable TC in the Civic is just asinine. A Miata driver at a stop light isn’t going to sit there all day waiting for you to get your car ready to race. He’ll just leave you in the dust while you’re still pressing buttons. Way to go hon-duh.
They have the RF for the mx-5. Which is actually slower than the soft top
Not by that much, Car & Driver had 0 to 60 5.7 vs 5.8, they both would have beat the SI at lower elevations.
Should have had a Veloster instead of the Miata, then it would have been easier to decide which four to bring to the crusher.
Honda Civic Type R is my goal car once I graduate from college and get an IT job
Dang. They’re only around 36 grand no? I’m waiting for the Acura type S to come out next year. Way more enjoyable than the type r
My civic si 2017 in 2 gear pull will spinnig the tire like crazy
That traction control setting is like a damn gta cheat code lol
I mean the most powerful is the winner without even watching lol. There’s no shocking news here
I havent seen you in long time
A*
Toyota4Life maybe no shocking news but it’s interesting to see that with all the potential of the Type R, it really wasn’t much faster than the rest of the field even with it’s over 300 hp. I would love to see how the Type R would fare against the GTI and the Veloster N.
Shouldn't you be over on some Toyota video talking about how "it's the greatest thing since slice bread"? 🙄
@@deet4895 Toyota cost thousands more because the potential resale
Okay Honda, COME ON HERE, you are giving us NOTHING, the 2022 new generation of Civic and new Type-R BETTER HAVE AWD, if it doesn't then there is going to be some problems
I truly enjoy the videos, but can Roman STOP complaining about the mini. When you buy a car sight unseen it is YOUR responsibility to have it inspected. Don't rely on the selling dealer. You also paid thousands less for what the car normally sells for. So quit complaining. If you wanted perfect you damn well know it would've cost you way more than what you paid for it
I think its cool you guys have a team big enough and access to all these cars to even do these large comparisons.
Wrong.
Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer.
Ive driven both The "chick car" Miata and my masculine 2007 Pontiac Solstice....the Miata is more polished but the Solstice wins on looks alone!! One of the reasons the Solstice looks so good is the large (for its size) wheels on my "write me up" Red Solstice.
Base 2.4 motor has about 15 more hp than the base Miata too, back in 2007 anyway
nAH Type R all dayyyyy
@@motorcitymanman7711 my female coworker drives a solstice. My male Doctor friend drives a Miata...
Really should have a Veloster N in that mix...
I don't know why they wouldn't have the Veloster N? If you check the stats, it runs within a tenth of a second up to 50 mph against the Type R. It isn't until higher speeds that the Type R really starts to pull on the Veloster N. It can run very close to the Type R is a short drag race. It's also $5K cheaper (leaving you plenty of money for a full exhaust and tuning which would bring the "N" right up to Type R straight line speeds.
Zach in front of the camera! What a rare treat!!
I owned the type-r for about 2 years and traded it in for a Genesis 3.3 t all-wheel drive sport.... Very happy I did the type-r gets old fast. also its seats are only comfortable if you're under a hundred fifty pounds
Yeah I rode in my dads type r and I was under 150 and comfy as hell but after I put on weight and grew becomes uncomfortable after a while with 1 hour of driving
And the one everyone is talking about the Civic Type R.
2017: am I a joke to you?
Civic si driver needs a driver mod lol (he’s a good guy, maybe it’s just me, but idk)
Dude, i'd still go with Miata. Just because it's definitely most beautiful car on the market rn!
When I see it in that red I agree completely!
Who's the hellian that designed that traction control for honda. LOL😂😂😂
To be fair, these guys need to switch cars and race them back to back, weight plays a big factor when the Miata is only 2400 lbs and you put a 300lb dude in it.
Miata is always the answer
In the MINI you press and hold the button for about 4 seconds.
Just keep running them until you get the results you want I guess...
They should've done the Civic vs Miata again just for good measure
Awesome video as always! I have been watching the channel for a couple years and you guys are very entertaining and it has been awesome following you guys! I bought a 2019 civic TypeR last year and it has been a blast!! Prior to my Type R I traded in my 2017 Civic Si Sedan!! Both great cars but the Type R is on a completely different level!! The cars in this video are all great cars for sure!! Keep up the great content!! I look forward to seeing your next video!! 👍🏽🚙😀
What's funny or not, you can get the new LT1 Camaro (455 hp LT1 engine - but not with the SS package) for less than a Civic Type R. It runs low 12s @ 116 mph in the 1/4 mile, which absolutely destroys the Civic Type R in a drag race. If you want to go fast in a straight line, it can't be beat for straight line speed. You can also spend a couple grand on wider wheels and tires for the LT1 Camaro and it will fly around a road course.
Glad you guys explained the traction control in the 10th gens any 2016+ honda is like that and most dont know my accord was the same way
Had a GLC 43 as a loaner while getting my Merc serviced... Its a nice car for sure.. just small for me
What you mean small? 🤔 What are you man like a giant or something?
@@zealeau its not a big car at all.. Im 6'5" tall but if you look at a GLE they are way way bigger
@0:54 is that a Japanese kei truck sitting over there? Do a video on that.
How did you even spot that?😂
@@Syzygy236 I got them "Eagle eyes" . 👀 😂
@@deet4895 i love those trucks. I can find them but they're pricey
@@Syzygy236 really? Even a 25yrs old one?
@@deet4895 yeah lol
I have 2012 Honda Civic Si my traction control easy turn off
Just found out my 13 si has factory 2 step. Hold the brake, floor the gas, it will launch at 4000rpm with traction control on or off.
It seems faster with tc on. Hopefully will take to the track this year.
POV KING I also have a 13 civic si and did not know that
That’s crazy how hard and convoluted they made it to disable traction control. Why, just why Honda ??!!?
My guess the manufacturer did not actually want people to disable traction control on this one. Maybe it's not as safe as they would like to. Who knows, it's not that they can not make it easier so I believe they wanted to make it hard for their own reasons like probably safety
For me miata is my favorite with little Aero it will smoke them all
Miata got screwed. You guys should've sorted out the traction control before filming.
The si with a tune really wakes it up
So basically a Miata can beat an SI if the SI driver isn’t prepared with his traction control 😂
Love these type of videos. Thanks guys !!
That’s not fair for the Miata he win the first one
Come on. Miata wins. Doesn’t matter you win by the mile or by an inch. A win is a win.
Just a thought Roman - have you ever considered doing rolling acceleration test? I know there is a limited amount of straight track to allow cars to fully extend themselves and rolling starts could limit that even more but maybe you can have two cars together coming around the last turn at, say, 10 mph in 1st gear or something similar and then hit the gas at the starting line. You could eliminate the issues that some traction control systems have on cars and still have enough track length to effectively see which car is faster before running out of room.
Jus something to think about adding to your battery of test.
Miata sounds great
PPLLLEEEAAAASSSE tell me Paul will be running all four of these around the track! Please?? Same day, same conditions. Oh look, all four cars are already there, too! :D
Please stay tuned 😉
Missing VW golf R Ford focus rs and other European hot hatches. But these cars were never designed for the American market.
Moment you need a Ford Focus RS in the US.
2:54 priceless evil laugh
They could have stopped coming up with new cars after the miata was invented, yall did her dirty on this one.
My 4 banger 300hp PDK 718 Boxster would eat all these 4 bangers. Breakfast, lunch or dinner :)
Why is disengaging the TCS on an Si, or most other new cars, such a convoluted process? It's ridiculous! In my old 2013 Si, you simply PUSH ONE BUTTON!
Every newer car I see it's just a button too. I sell new and used cars for a living
You forgot the four-cylinder supra it’s perfect for that competition.
Good to see more of Producer Zach. He is very knowledgeable.
I’ve had 17 Si for 7 months. Got the 19 R. I will still take the R because of much more planted/stable it feels over the Si and the horse power.
I was envious of Si & R when I got budget 6MT LX Sedan. After 115k on the odo, I wouldn't want it any other way...it wouldn't be enough of an upgrade to justify the cost.
Traction control in my 6MT 2.0L Civic only requires a simple press of the button. Granted, it's still there if the car is going to spin-out, but it'll let you fry the tires bald if you wanted. I guess a car with sunroof and a cushy ride doesn't expect real performance maniacs behind the wheels.
That was a fun video !!! Thanks
If Honda really wanted to they can make that type r 400hp
They could....but that would be pointless because it’s FWD. would need to be AWD with that much.
They could make a driveable fwd car with 400hp it would have to be very front heavy and probably striped as a track car to do it
Richard Veguilla Then that wouldn’t make it a practical road car which is pointless.
Does the Type R have to go thru the same procedures to turn off the traction control ?
No, I own a 2019 Type R. All you do is hold the button down for 3 secs and no TC!
WTH is up with that traction control system on the si?
In the 9th gen si you use the switch in the car or pull the Fuze. But pulling the Fuze means you lose all abs traction control vsc and powerstering i think
I'm excited for when Mini will make the new GP. But that seems like a while to come...
Why don't you guys ever give Hyundai a chance? The Veloster N with DCT /i30N with DCT or Elantra GT N-line/DCT with supporting mods to match the HONDA Type R would decimate any Honda in the same category. Seems to me like you guys are very biased against Hyundai.
Maybe you guys should be reviewing bicycles or hiking shoes instead?
You should do mini gp with cheap tires vs. good tires on track and drag time
Proud owner of a first gen mini 2003 but I would take that type r in a heart beat
A 4 banger civic street raced a 2,000 hp red GTR for a total of three times a couple weeks ago and beat him every time really badly. check out “frustrateeg”
What's up with that stupid ass traction control in the Honda LOL
I got the SI. Lovin' the 6 speed. But then again I don't race. Just nice to have a little extra umpf over my previous civic. And I didn't have to pay darn near 40K like the Tupe-R.
If GT86 vs MX5 vs SI? 🤔
The Miata will beat both of them ...they already have a video
Pls race the 2020 veloster turbo and the 2020 civic Si in the future
I will take the GP any time, the cost for a bran new Miata and the type R is almost 20k over what you guys payed for the GP. Why not use that $ to upgrade the performance on the GP? I’m sure it will smoke the Mercedes and the type R on the street, on the track, you name it
The suv and type r was not a great comparison honestly. For me at least. You got 306hp type r compared to a gla 43 AMG that has 375hp and awd. Even though it’s a suv and much heavier, still not really a good comparison
Miata is always the answer. Never forget bois
Si is way more bang for your buck vs a Type R. Save ur $10,000 and buy aftermarket and slap it on Si.