How does a PILOT KNOW when to DESCEND? Descent planning explained by CAPTAIN JOE
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Dear friends and followers, in today's video I`ll be explaining a few thumb rules to make your descent planning a lot easier. Initiating the descent at the right moment is one the things/procedures most flight students and even experienced pilots struggle with from time to time. Nowadays airliners are equipped with all sorts of helpful tools showing you when to start your descent but this systems still can´t anticipate the mood of the air traffic controller, which can always interfere with your descent.
So watch the video and look out for some great and helpful thumb rules which will make your descent planning a lot easier.
Thank you very much for your time! I hope you enjoy this basic introduction about descent planning!
Wishing you all the best!
Your "Captain" Joe
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"How does a PILOT KNOW when to DESCEND?" He looks down and says, "Shyit, that's my airport going by!"
Yup
this actually happened in LA coming into Hawthorne. Trying not to bust LAX class bravo. Was too high and too fast. Dumped the gear and flaps and came down like a flying brick!
Nah you just wait for the flight attendant to tell you. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188
😂😂
John Grabowski lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Captain Joe is low key a savage with the girlfriend example 😂
Ikr. 😂 😂 😂
hi
Captain Joe is in danger of making the same mistake as I made if he gloats of his navigational conquests !
Roy C Horton well how many conquests have you completed xD
High key**
If your girlfriend wants you to call 30 miles prior to arriving at her house then she's probably cheating on you. Lmao
Gives you more time to cheat on her, so it's all good... Lol!
That's why you swing by your ex's house first
My thoughts..lol
Yes but when you are flying at 800km/hr that 30 miles feels like 0.3 miles.
Aviation 777 lol true! ...not to mention that an 'ex' will want nothing to do w yo sorry ass
If your girlfriend finds out about the transition to the ex's, you'll probably be diverted to a new destination!
Chad Portenga hahahaha
Chad Portenga underrated comment!😂😂😂
Emergency landing in Thames water
lmao go around
Χαχαχα for sure
9:39 "You and your passengers will feel that descent but it's fun though"
-*Captain Joe 2018*
Found that odd too lol
But it's really fun hahaha
This happened to me going into gatwick, its a very weird feeling haha
I love the descent into KSFO when they do the staggered close parallel into RWY 28R and they intercept the 28R final and make that sharp turn to so they don't overshoot over to 28L where there is another aircraft landing, all while on steep descent because of the mountains east of the bay. I go "whee" every time...well not out loud...usually.
It's always fun trying to hold on to my seat while imagining I'm on a roller coaster Xd
Joe, I’m now retired but i used to do two descent profile calculations. First for the aircraft’s needs with similar techniques like you described but also a second calculation for the cabin pressurization needs to ensure a comfortable rate of descent for the passengers ears. Our department guidelines were a cabin climb of 500 fpm and only 300 fpm for descent. Taking the cabin from max diff to sea level could need more time than it might take to get the aircraft down. Especially with no anticipated restrictions and smooth air. Once both calculations were complete I would start the descent to match the longest time required to meet their numbers.
Fascinating, thanks for making this comment.
Sounds pretty straight forward , give me a plane .
Lol
🤣🤣🤣 I wouldn't want to be ur passenger
Hahah
Sure, hold my beer!
Heck no 😂
And I thought parallel parking was hard!!!
Same hahaha
no name 😂
I did parallel indexing on Supertankers as Ship's Navigator I was a young lecherous git with before I took up Pilot Training. The biggest mistake is to mix up the Girls' names on the phone..aaargh !
No shit huh good comment..
I’m only 12 lol
It is positively amazing that there are so many factors and calculations involved in landing.. I had no idea the pilot even still had that much control and input these days. I actually thought it was far more automated with electronics and software. While the instruments are obviously extremely sophisticated, this video made me realize that they only provide information and leave much more than I thought up to the the pilot. I'm sure there's tons of smart technology and automation but someone still has to understand and operate it all. This channel always leaves me struck with respect for how complex and precise the science of flight has become.
Don't worry man, those days are gone. Nowadays is all done by computers. Autopilot, Autoland, etc
its the difference between airbus and boeing, airbus the plane is flown and handled by the computer. with boeing the plane is flown by the computer but handeld by the pilots.
never left behind. It is the pilot himself who directs the autopilot, gives instructions and commands.@@esau82
You don't know the slightest about airplanes, piloting and the history of airplanes.@@esau82
Whether it is Airbus or Boeing, they are the pilots who direct, instruct and give commands to the Autopilot.@@esau82
I love that he adds the math involved with all this, it helps to understand it all
Finally someone who taught me how to calculate the descent planning. Thank you!
So, you couldn’t find that info anywhere but lo and behold captain joe came along and saved you?
“Use the speed brake as necessary”
737 pilots: *laughs in glider*
Use the jake brake or reverse the engines for 30 seconds then the bottom will fall out and maybe you will go into a flat spin like TOM CRUISE THEN YOU WILL QUALIFY FOR TOP GUN METAL
Lpl
Lola
As an ATC, I would say it’s really useful for controllers to provide better services to pilots, thanks.
As an instrument student awaiting a checkride, I really love your videos. Some of this was a bit over my head as I’m flying just a little 172c but I apply the 3/6 rule. Alt to lose in thousands, times 3 for NM for TOD and ground speed x 6 for feet per minute decent rate.
it doesn't always work
Great Video, an easier to calculate V/S on 3deg Glide is to take GS and simply divide by 2 and add a zero. So in your example: 147÷2=75 add a zero and we have 750fpm
That works... another is to multiply your GS by 5. So in the example, 147 × 5 = 735 fpm.
You here? Haha nice
Fly jv is an actual pilot
@@jonathana6520 Who said he wasn't a pilot... or are you saying that 'cause he wears a uniform in his thumbnail pic?
@@jonathana6520 who said he isn't a pilot? I just found it cool that he is here or commented under Joes video
Aye Aye Capn, thank you very much for enlightening us on Aviation, your clips are short, audible, concise, clear, and understandable.
I am an Accountant, why am I watching this. 😂😂
Great video BTW
R P I’m a recruitment consultant. Maybe for the best. I don’t understand a thing about this interesting video. I don’t even have an ex-girlfriend. I like men 😅
Haha ! You made me laugh. I'm currently studying accounting but I'm interesting cause i want to become a pilot. Leave your job, accounting is good but aviation is better :)
@@Sylvi15 Ha ha .... I know right, and this hobby is getting expensive, I frequently travel due to my job and where I am from all the window set are priority seats and they charge you extra. But now I am so curious like " Oh I know why you lowered your flap, I know what that's called"
I am like a kid again. 😁😁😁
@@jetblast5902 Sadly I can't, I am practically blind without my glasses 😢😢.
But hey a guy can dream can't he ??? 😀
@@vagabond_memior you can still fly with glasses lol.
'Flying piano'
There is probably a flying piano cheat in GTA :D
She'll fly if you get her going fast enough~~~ O^O
Hmm, does anyone know what the glide ratio of a flying piano actually is, by the way?
Pianos are actually pretty lightweight in comparison to an A320
Flying carpet sounds safer.
Excellent, lucid presentation!
Thanks Joe!
I'll need to replay this several time to get it completely. Thanks for taking the time to explain! Approach is on my radar.
If we have 4 ex girlfriends..It will cause delay
LMAOOOOO extended holding pattern! lol
30 minutes are 30 minutes regardless of the ex gf count.
Pan-Pan, need vectors to diversion airport on current heading.
Than you need to hold short on each one 😂😂
You will get no more girlfriend... If you didn't reach her on time...
Captain Joe I watch every video of yours! Thank you for spending your time creating useful videos for people like me!
PrimeFlightSimulator Thanks for your feedback, highly appreciated😉
Girlfriend/ex-girlfriend analogy is the best example ever!
So dry Joe, it's hilarious and educational at the same time. Thanks for the laugh and the awesome education.
Love these videos
Now I’m going to apply this knowledge on Prepar3D
lol same
Why? Doing stupid stuff is what makes simming fun :p
Same xD
Julian R because there is no room for stupid stuff once you get an airline pilot job :)
Great idea! Always good practice on the sim!
Is the ex-girlfriend analogy based on real facts?
Totally :)
Where do you think he got the photos from?! His wallet! ;-)
#pilotProblems
Haha I almost died
For couple seconds I thought God was talking to me.
I always enjoy your videos captain, keep up the amazing work!
737 Max 8: “look at me... I am the captain now”
Flew for the first time in 10 years 2 weeks ago, your videos helped by giving a good understanding of what goes on in the background
One thing I like your video more than Mentour because you are more funny and chilled . Everyone likes chilling in RUclips. Great video
Dr Evil Thanks, appreciate your comment😉
Dr Evil Well I particularly like Mentour more as he explains things the way I understand it, also he interacts with his Subscribers way more, I am not a hater and I like Joe and Mentour but mentour just a little bit more :)
I watch and enjoy both but when Im watching Mentour I do sometimes feel like Im being told off lol
That's true
#yeme - sounds like you have an inferiority complex...
I'm not a pilot but these videos are making me reconsider...
This video was super helpful in comprehensively reviewing strategy to execute proper approach planning. Thanks!
Great video. Adding my own experience I use the following.
For a three degree descent angle - use a vertical speed five times your ground speed. e.g. 500 knots GS use 2500 ft / min
As a rule of thumb for the descent point. Altitude to lose / 300 = track miles to run. (or 3000 feet for every ten Nautical miles )
Say you are at 45,000 ft (I fly a Global Express) - descent point will be 45,000 / 3 = 15,000 / 100 = 150 Nautical miles.
It works nicely all the way down.
45,000 ft - 150 Nm to run
42,000 ft - 140 Nm to run.
39,000 ft - 130 Nm to run
30,000 ft - 100 Nm to run.
15,000 ft - 50 Nm to run
3000 ft - ten Nm to run - straight down the ILS.
Or just select Vpath and let the plane do it all :-)
Yeah, the 747 or the A320 are really falling like a brick. But the A330 is built for gliding!
Thats true, yes :)
Is this true? A320 can't really glide?
Yes its even true in fsx-se. I was landing a330 in dubai and even had a headwind ! My God i had to push it down 😂
Air Transat approves!
Whyyyy FSX?
Nice that you mention the go-around as not being a failure! There have been a lot of accidents that could have easily been avoided with that simple maneuver!
Fellow pilots everywhere, say it with me... "You can always..."
GO AROUND!!
Captain Joe: This is easy right?
Me: Hell no! 😥
HELLO
My name is Vaibhav I am from India
I love your videos I’m still in 10th grade but it’s my dream to become a pilot
Your videos give me the knowledge and motivation that gets me ready every day.
Hope you read this comment
so youre using your mom's account?
@@Tatiana-jt9hd 😂😂
@@Tatiana-jt9hd savageeee😂
Me too im in 10th std btw im not using ma moms account
@@White742 yup whats d matter?
You arent decending, only acheiving new heights 👍✌
That's a great comment for this video ;)
@@flywithcaptainjoe it is amazing not only following your channels via social media, but i think many followers feel they are part of your journey in life as well as your career 👍
im impressed with the amount of detail capt joe revealed to us with regards to the ropic in hand. in my perspective, an easier calculation for our required v/s (decent rate) at 8:19 with 150 gs is 15/2 add a zero. also. to know approximately how much track miles we need (in case of a straight in approach for a 3 degree decent) , suppose we are at 27000 ft with ariport elevation close to 0, 27x3 +10nm(for configuration) equals to 91NM. as for a downwind approach, we add 20 or 25nm to tbe 91nm i.e. 111NM total distance. Happy flying everyone.
Wow. That video made me realize what an extraordinary job pilots do. My highest respect to all of you.
i love your videos
you are the best youtuber
and eventhough im not a pilot i still am inspired by you
thank you and keep making more videos
Thanks for the feedback! Appreciate it!
you are welcome
btw could you plz tell me that do you need to live in the country of which the airline belongs to if you are a pilot in that airline. for example if you are living in America would could you work in a British airline?
I am 81 years old, taking flying lessons and hope to become a commercial pilot in the next 3-5 years. This was very helpful.
Serious question... lessons for curvature? Tool on board to calculate curvature? I'm really curious!
Also, Congratulations! You flying now?
@@jennamassey7766 ..same question i was asking myself 😮
@@BensonNyasae I cant help but wonder how a plane is flown level for hundreds of miles over a supposed curving eart.
@@jennamassey7766 I don't know man, i will share when i come up with an answer soon.
You are my best of the blue sky!!! Thanks, Captain Joe!!
How does a pilot know when to decent?
Math. Shit tons of math. Math here math there math everywhere. Touch down!
Flying is Math's.
You'll need to understand calculus for this
Hahaha maths is right
It's pretty simple arithmetic really, not mathematics. The trick is to remember the 'Rules of Thumb' that Captain Joe mentioned and apply them where necessary.
What you need to figure is your cruising altitude and divide that number by 3.
For example, if you’re at 36,000 feet (aka Flight Level 360) you would divide 360 by 3, giving you the answer of 120. That means that you start your descent at a maximum of 120 Nautical Miles (NM). This is assuming no change from Air Traffic Control (ATC) or a STAR chart (Standard Terminal ARrival) that tells you speeds and altitude to be followed
How I do it on Flight simulators:
1) Have a general idea where the airport is.
2)Nose dive like hell until you get close to the ground. When you get the terrain warning, even better.
3) When you see the airport, nosedive then work your flaps and speed until you land.
Same dude
Really well put together video Joe! It’s true that many people rely too much on the FMS and forget simple 3 degree mental math. I like how you also mention kinetic energy, because it’s easy to descend too low and drag the airplane in, but it’s also our job to fly the airplane most efficiently to minimize fuel burn and costs.
what?
Aviator Inspirations, he conserves his kinetic energy for that 30 mile detour he makes😂😂😂
@@friendlypiranha774 Nothing more worse than planning for the arrival 200 nm out via all the waypoints in the arrival to the final approach fix then given a 'tract direct' instruction which leaves you hot and high for the approach. ATC think they are helping you out but they are setting you up to fail.
Hallo Captain Joe, vielen Dank für die vielen echt tollen Videos. Sie beantworten nicht nur spannende technische Fragen von Laien und Interessierten, sondern bei mir helfen auch viele deiner Videos gegen Flugangst. Wenn ich auch als Laie ein wenig die Flugbewegungen einschätzen kann fühle ich mich schon viel sicherer. Bitte weiter so, ist echt cool!
Thank you, Captain, I learnt a lot from this video series. ( Approach, ILS, Timing & Landing)
Lol, based on all the references and analogies in his videos, Joe must be a chick magnet and totally enjoying it 😀
Use breaks extend flaps and make everyone in the back think they’re stalling and about to die 👏
Brakes*
Cant use those at high speed.
, they'd break apart the plane
edguitar stanley eisen exactly. Flaps/slats have a speed limit to each degree they are extended. You cant use flaps when you're 35000ft going on at 300 knts
Scream over the intercom
apply reverse thrust mid flight and extend landing gear at 300kt
" mood of the traffic controller " ... Perfect !
Love your channel Joe!! I have always wanted to become a pilot
Can you do a video on how to have a family life, and long layovers due to long haul?
How much time do you spent at home compared to the time spent away
My favourite place to sit, for both comfort and safety, is a window seat near the wings. During takeoff and landing, I like to look out the window and keep my eye on the plane’s engine and wing on that side, just in case something goes wrong. That way, I can alert the flight crew to an emergency if something goes wrong!
Lol, I'm the same way. A pilot sitting next to me on a re-positioning flt for him.....I noticed a liquid coming out of some crack or tube on the wing. I told him about it, he looked at it and said he'd report it when we got to EWR.
!Thank you, it has been the best and most technical and sobering video I have seen so far ... thank you very much Captain Joe¡¡
Quit kissing and chasing the stewardess and fly the plane joe. Ps zip ur pants joe
Love your channel Joe thx for this video
Bro , thank you so much . This was very very helpful. You are the best❤️❤️
Yes very helpful. I learned to fly a plane by watching youtube
Glad I was of some help! All the best! Joe
HeyHowsMyDriving bro if you are a pilot training these videos are for you , I am undergoing training right now and was having a lot of problem on this matter. It helped me
Captain. Regards from India . Just got my type done on 320 . And I was still a bit confused about the TOD when it comes to a smooth decision making ! Keep it up ❤️
Hi Sir, do they teach and give an examination on this exact topic in the ATPL?
@@kenlee-97 they won't really do ..but you can ask how to plan a descent . They should be able to tell you . This is more of an Airline thing
@@diptanjanchakraborty oh,u thought it was part of the student module for ATPL certificate.
I once went on a flight, here in South Africa, from Johannesburg in the north, to Port Elizabeth in the south. From about half way down there was a big cloud bank below. The plane, 737, was then coming down, through the clouds, with it vibrating. Then, below the clouds, was Port Elizabeth below. I thought it was amazing. It was also pouring with rain.
This is pretty cool Cpt Joe...very informative ...thanks for sharing. Safe travels
Hi Joe I have a question for you about the air conditioning packs can you do a video about how they work and why they are so damn loud? thanks dude
Flew from LAX to Denver a while back. When the pilot announced "we're beginning our descent into Denver". I thought why are we descending? Why didn't we just climb to 5280 feet and go straight in? ;-)
I am going to be a nervous flyer from now on. Great job, Captain!
I just about do that precise detour (see ex first) so I really do get this lesson!
I am an air traffic controller working at ACC departmant.
(ANKARA (City)/TURKEY)
thanx for video Joe 😊👍🏻
I do sequencing for Sydney. I sometimes feel a bit guilty constantly altering aircraft speed/track after top of descent. The environment is so variable though and there's just too many other aircraft to work around to leave everyone to their own devices. The other thing to note is different airlines/makes fly vastly different profiles, or have different company speed restrictions. I flat out have to tell 787's what speed to fly because their speed range is crazy. Always a nice surprise to find out United is flying 250kts in his 787 for some reason or the MD11 is flying 340kts like he's the only one in the sky. Fun games.
acpulse hi
There are many airports and Istanbul airport in Turkey approaches the speed of our limitations. Therefore We are using speed restriction
Wow, I've learned a lot now. I thought the complete decent path is indicated by the ATC. I also thought, that this specified/fixed glide path is shown in the cockpit displays so that the pilot only has to follow this path by staying within the tolerance range. And finally I thought, the necessary adjustments to stay on the path are usually done by the autopilot and only sometimes a landing is performed manually by the pilot. Am I totally wrong with all these assumptions?
Thank's a lot Captain Joe. I've just started with my class for PPL and tou channel is very helpful. Thank you
once again great captain joe is bang on target. i just feel goosebumps while watching you.
Thanks Captain! Just a simmer but you just answered questions I've had for the entire 15 years of simming. Love your videos! I'd be happy to fly with you anytime.
I am not from aviation background but still I love to watch your videos because of your good explanation and neutral accent
Yeah, good point about the neutral accent, it's refreshing to see someone that has a neutral/easy to understand and listen to (Joe has a good teaching/talking voice and tone to listen to).
As opposed to someone who makes it harder to require you to adjust your brain just to understand them from wherever they are from originally. BTW- I'm a native speaker from Australia, so English is my first language (I speak Cantonese/H.K. as well).
A good pilot is always learning 🔥 👌🏾
Ive been trying to study aviation you have really helped me
Hi Joe. Thank you for your video. Please can you answer me one question:
When calculating the speed to lose why do subtract the average speed from the present speed? Why not the target speed? Isn't it that you have to add the distance that you need to lose the total amount of your present speed to the target/APP speed. I would be thankful for a short explanation. :-)
Hey Captain Joe,
Thx for your great postings. Since your flying cargo planes: can you tell something about the cargo handling on board (stability, securing, checking etc.)
Take care!!
This guy stole my lines!!! I want that too
LOAD MASTER TAKE CARE OF THE LOAD . ALSO THE GARGO NEED TO BE SECURED TO THE FLOOR .
Thank you, Joe, for your help.
Great video Capt!! Thankyou so much!!
Big fan Joe 🤗
This is definitely key info, since Im simulating my flights using the PMDG 747-8 in P3DV4. Thanks Capt. Joe.
Gotta note that lesson in Descent Planning. :)
Give him 2 quarts of D5w and transport to,rampart ASAP this is squad 51 out. And tell Dr early to not be late this time. Maybe the patient will live if we don’t have a wreck on the way to hospital lol 🤣🤣🤣
This video was useful indeed, thank you !
I'm running into a problem regarding final distance to the airport in FS2020. Is there any option in the 787 FMC to just tell you how far you are from your planned runway inflight, regardless of how many legs you have left ?
I rather got used to the 320n managed systems, and switching to 787 is a bit of a pain, to say the least. I'm not even sure if wrongdoing is on me or if MS didn't quite finalize the 787 as much as the 320n.
You are the best Joe. thank you for enlightening me
Great Video Joe!
Thanks Matevz!
I cant belive you replied thank you very much!!
I enter into my car, tune in favorite FM station, approach my gates with full headlights and honking.
Mission accomplished
i will never fly an plane in my life but i enjoy listening to this guy explaining how airplanes work
Just getting into aviation now... This is a brilliant video (but all new for me yet ha)
I suggest that you Make something talking about your personal experiences as a pilot.
Taran Panduranga coming up!
He did. You remember the ex girlfriend. ;-)
Thank YOU JOE Sir ,I;m now practicing this on FSX Steam Edition ;)
Please do so!
I'm too
1:23
CAPTAIN JOE
This shows the T/D (Top of Descent point) in regards to the ENTERED FLIGHT PLAN on the FMGS (Flight Management Guidance Systems) on AIRBUS models or the FMS (Flight Management Systems) on the Boeing.
Thank you Captain Joe.😘
Huh, I will stay in my lane as a passenger!
Looking forward for video about speedbrakes!
Actually if are in car with no brakes, you can (a) use the handbrake (b) take your foot off the accelerator (c) if you have manual gears you can CAREFULLY change down.
Great video. Thanks for posting this. Have a nice day.
Thanks Captain Joe, very, very helpful!
Could you explain what you like more or less about the B747 than on the A320?
Coming up!
That's great!
Would make my day if u hearted
@@baileythedudeman57 💔
Bailey Louque u r epic boss
@@baileythedudeman57 good one
Perfect explanation!!!
Great job of explaining the ins and outs of air-travel. The info. you provide is good for those who like to travel by air. Myself, I prefer the train whenever I travel domestically . I have no choice for international. Great job you do for providing an understanding of the workings of air-travel.
You mean that are likely to do an aircraft high-jacking???
-why does a passenger need to know such detailed info as a passenger ?
Get a car man!!!
I learned some new things watching your video, but a lot of that I have done in my Microsoft Flight Simulator X it's been times I walked away from the computer and missed my descent point so I dropped gear and spoilers and had a very steep descent until I got to the safe zone so I can relate what you're talkin about some of it thanks again
I miss your Airbus videos ;(
Well I miss my "Babybus" from time to time ;)
@@flywithcaptainjoe *We Miss AirBerlin As Well* xD
AirBerlin is in a better place now... :'C
@@zanderhamilton7908 Yeah xD
Captain Joe
Didn't AB fly vacationers or snowbirds into and out of KRSW for a few years? I want to say they were X2 or XC3 weekly during the winter months.
Excellent Video as always ! Glad you are a Cargolux pilot ! Cheers from Luxembourg
Your video is very educating, sir! Thank you very much!