SPO (Single Pilot Operation) sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice, it’s terrible. In an attempt to save money, the cost ends up goes up, and that cost is human lives, system failure, human fatigue, eventually it’ll add up to a situation that technology nor pilot couldn’t correct, resulting in an accident that’ll cost lives. As the old saying goes, “What goes around, comes around.” Captain Joe is right, there should always be two pilots in the cockpit, at all times.
Moreover, the more technology will replace human operators, the more we're going toward a total human unemployment leading to human starvation and extinction. Am I too pessimistic? I hope so, but I'm afraid I'm not
@@vannizaniboni3502That’s not what automation or increased efficiency has ever resulted in, from the invention of fire to the advent of robotic fabrication. Rather more automation results in more human prosperity and more people in the fields of innovation, where humans excel.
Sully started the RAT b4 the checklist and its on his testimony. there was no dual engine failure at low altitude in the manual. AI works upon learning models, as long as we are willing to have "Disaster in the Hudson" instead of "Miracle on the Hudson" and actuaries determine that payout is worth the savings, it willl come. Similar to outsourcing MCAS software dev to someone who had never seen a pilots seat in any aircraft.
I’m just gonna say it; no to both. Firstly, you’d have to get the aircraft certificated for Single Pilot operations not only by EASA but also TCCA and the FAA which is notoriously difficult to do or isn’t allowed by law for aircraft over specific MTOW or PAX. Secondly, people don’t seem to understand that in order to fly high UAVs beyond line of sight requires Ku band level receivers and transmitters, which will basically microwave you if you’re within 25 feet (if I recall correctly. Might be larger area) which means you’re looking at cargo only ops. Finally, even if you’re flying a UAV line of sight, you will have a Go-Around min altitude because by the time the signal goes to the CPU then to the FADEC you’re already on the ground. RQ-4s are notorious for those kinds of incidents mostly because ATC is rarely briefed on their min altitude for Go Arounds.
That would be an economic disaster.Nobody would want to fly in a large aircraft anymore. Do they really think we are that stupid ?And is there really a responsible pilot who would go along with that ? Could we still trust such a pilot ? I trust Captain Joe !
Get it, you can automate flying with just the captain. What if he gets food poisoning, or simply wants to take a dump and there’s a decompression in the cabin. Who’s gonna make the decision to land, will the captain be able to clean his mess fast and understand the situation in 5 seconds all while he’s in a decompressed washroom of 2x2ft size smelling like rotten bacon and eggs???
I remember reading this saying as a child in the 80s, "To err is human. To really screw things up, you need a computer." Automated single/no pilot airplanes would be a hard pass for me. I'd need to have a lot more confidence in the programming.
These simpletons think computers are incorruptible 😂.... This folks is the classic case of "fool me one, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on... shame on you". Of course we know none of these 'CEOs' will never fly on one of those "autonomous" equivalent of human carrying drones.
This subject crosses my mind as a student pilot with experience in A.I. @Captain Joe covers the core areas of concern really well here. I think single pilot ops is a scary prospect
SPO: just imagine a severe Birdstrike. Plane crashes, because the Pilot was not able to work on the Problem and had no time to call Mayday and ask the Dispatcher helping him with remote control to fly the plane, retract landing Gear, setting Flaps, shut down the Engine, extinguish the Fire, and set a safe Course all the same time in 800ft AGL. Unlikely? well, it happend several times on SPO Aircrafts...
I vividly remember when I was in school for aircraft around 2000 era, all the talk was about how pilots in military and civil aircraft would become a thing of the past very soon. However, people feel alot more safe with an actual person flying and that's why it never happened from what I could always see.
1979 - 1980 war ich vor meinem Studium Purser bei Lufthansa. Auf der 707 wurden die Navigatoren eingespart, die 747 wurde gerade eingeführt und auf meinen Mustern hatte die 727 noch den Flugingenieur, aber die kleine „Bobby Boeing“ flog mit zwei Piloten. Da kam dann beim fliegenden Personal der folgende Witz auf: Lufthansa spart jetzt alle Piloten ein, ein Computer fliegt den Flieger alleine. Nach dem Start kommt die Ansage an die Passagiere: „Guten Tag auf unserem modernen Flugzeug ohne Piloten, ich bin Ihr Bordcomputer und werde Sie schnell und sicher ans Ziel bringen. Sie brauchen sich keine Sorge zu machen, ich bin so programmiert worden, dass ich keine Fehler machen kann……….. Keine Fehler machen kann……… Keine Fehler machen kann…….“
Airbus is really pressing their luck with this, “Single Pilot Operation”. What if in the future there’s a single pilot (on a shorter flight), and that pilot becomes incapacitated (like suffering a heart attack), then that flight is SOL. There should always be an emergency pilot on board just in case.
I knew it would be Airbus to push this first. My reasoning is the use of Fly-by-Wire. You get so much automation data from thousands of daily usage of it that it's natural to try to automate it even more. IMO I think it's a fair test, on long haul flights, to try 3 pilots instead of 4
Wouldn't it be better to figure out how to do away with stewardesses first? Robo servants of some sort? Maybe pneumatic tubes to deliver food and drink? I mean all the seats are lined up already. One tube in each side and a clever robot in back could send things forward to multiple people rows at once.
Flight attendants are safety officers on the aircraft, not there just to give you your drink, but there to make sure that in the event of an emergency, you prepare for the emergency and can evacuate the aircraft swiftly if needed.
Agree 💯 Joe. My gut said a big NO when this idea was first mooted, and you have just articulated the details of my gut feeling in this video. Having watched a huge amount of aviation accident/incident videos where the cockpit crew performed unbelievably under the most challenging of situations, it is incomprehensible that AI could even reach that level of finesse. Your statement about technological advances being an amazing tool are spot-on. That brief shot of a pilot alone in a two-seater airline cockpit made me feel a depressing sense of aloneness - and I'm glad that was one of your points raised. Will be a very sad, and retrogressive path aviation takes if this becomes a reality. Thanks for a great video Joe.
A single pilot does the papers work, brief crews. check the aircraft (tires, damaged, oil leak etc etc) goes up to cockpit and fill the routing data, greets passengers....... Oh man, there's a lot to mention here. SPO is a terrible idea.
Wie lange arbeitet man jetzt schon am autonomen Fahren? Es klappt solange, bis irgendwo eine Baustelle auftaucht, ein blöde reflektirendes Schild steht, ein LKW über die querende Brücke fährt oder ein Karton auf der Fahrbahn liegt. Oder einfach nur etwas Nebel ist ("Frontkamera ausgefallen") Wie will man einer KI >10.000h Flugerfahrung beibringen? Wie bringt man ihr bei richtig zu reagieren? Mal eben, sofern überhaupt noch vorhanden, FDR-Daten von Unfällen und glücklichen Ausgängen aufpielen wird da eher nicht funktionieren. Was ein Pilot in seinen Jahren im Kopf abgespeichert hat lässt sich nicht transferieren. Wie soll ein Remote-Pilot im Notfall eingreifen? Hat der dann Force-Feedback fürs das Popometer und kann er wirklich ALLES fernbedienen? Und beim Thema KI besorgt mich vor allem: WER bringt ihr alles bei? Erfahrene Menschen oder Schreibtischtäter? Airbus und Boeing sind voll von Negativbeispielen. Und was mit derzeitigen KIs passiert, die von der aktuellen Gesellschaft mit "Daten" gefüttert werden, das möchte ich bitte nicht erleben...
I think that there is probably a generational difference in how this is viewed. As a boomer, I say, no way (I work in technology and with AI and know how problematic it can be, who wants the AI autopilot to hallucinate ). My youngest son however inherently trusts computers over humans. He says things like “they don’t get tired”, “they never miss a reading “… etc. even in the scenarios of handling the unexpected, computers are not subject to the startle factor and begin making corrections long before a human could. He and I often debate this (like I am certain many reading this will want to). My point isn’t who is right, but rather, different generations likely view this very differently (as a generalization).
This will absolutely happen and will happen sooner than we think. There is no doubt that fully automated airliners will increase air safety. Look at how reliable and capable rockets have become and they are fully automated. They aren’t yet fully autonomous, but that will come.
I predict that we will move to fully autonomous airliners within 20 years, probably with drone pilots on the ground as backups for a decade or so until full confidence is gained in the fully autonomous airliners.
Anecdotally, it is argued that businesses do NOT invest in IT Security; representing that paying the damages is LESS THAN the cost of the IT Security software and processes....... Just 'food for thought' (...and a truly frightening premise ... ONE pilot!?!?!? smh)
In my opinion flying cargo in remote areas is feasable. Flying in dangerous areas would interesting. If one pilot gets ill. You could share the workload with an operator at the ground or getting support from better computer assistents. You don't have to solve the whole problem. Flying people around with an AI pilot, I don't think so.
Perfect example! If mankind needs 2 humans to control a vehicle in 1 dimension space, how will it control a vehicle in 3 dimension space, plus the limitation that the vehicles can not stop when airborne?
It's about when things go wrong, not when things go right. A well trained human brain is no match for a computer. It's also the reason pilots should be well paid - you're paying them for when things go wrong, not for all the 'easy/boring' bits. Managers have NFI in this regard.
When sh*t hits the fan, any plea by a distressed pilot to automation for assistance will be met with something along the lines of the famous quote by HAL 9000 in 2001 "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.". On a side note, these CEO's that are pushing the no-pilot-in-the-cockpit idea, would they want their private jets to fly as such with their a$$ in them?
Until the machine can do it all better than human, and handle any situation, even those reacquiring creativity and "inventing" a solution on the go - and have full redundancy at the same time this is nuts. If you *need* ONE human, you need TWO, simply because we can get get very ill or die without warning, regardless of the medical class and we got, and how long since last medical. ONE may be enough for cargo flights over unpopulated areas, where you assume that ground risk is small. We can fly single-pilot operations is small planes, not huge planes and/or hundreds of passengers.
We are not going to be able to prevent this reality. It will happen, passengers will come to trust autonomous airplanes just as they have come to trust multitude of other autonomous technologies. We are only angry about this because it is finally happening to us pilots. We hardly put up a flight when all those other positions were lost, who are we to think others will come to our aide now that it’s our turn to become obsolete?
I doubt that pilots are getting reduced in the cockpit. Considering how the same people advocating for single pilot operations are trying to implement ground dispatchers to assist the captain in their duties already sound like they still need a second pilot in the cockpit. And leaving one single person at the controls of a plane sounds like a very good idea, all I am going to say is German Wings Flight 9525
-1 pilot and you will get way more accidents like German wings in France. -2. Just check how American self-driving cars experiment is going. I will never buy a ticket on a plane with no pilots. I could write a lot of things about AI, but I won't do it, because it's a different topic. It's not as good as tech companies are trying to show you
A plane that flies itself fully on it's own from gate to gate? Yeah thats coming. But not even a pilot sitting there overseeing it and ready to take over in the event of a failure? yeah thats not happening. They wouldn't sell a single ticket. I'm just starting my training and a fully automated aircraft could definirtely happen within my career. It's a sad time man. I often find myself wishing I was born a lot earlier so i could've been a pilot in the "golden age"
Thanks Joe very thought provoking video,i personally would not fly on a single or non pilot flight.As humans i believe we like to put our faith in the 2 humans at the flight deck who as humans arent going to do anything to risk getting home to their loved ones,plus theres a level of pride for a job well done,that i believe technology cant embrace,we humans are very special people,lets not forget that Kym Adelaide
So grateful for this video, it really cleared my mind on that topic. Ive just turned 17 and I want to be a pilot so bad. And my only real concern is that, if im finished with my school and flight school, let's say that's in 6 years, and I start my job at an airline I don't want to be kciked out due to AI replacing me after just a couple of years in my dream job. It wouldnt be worth the struggle and financial risk I had put myself into to make my dream come true. I completely agree with you on those topics, but if we take in consideration of far AI has come in the last years, Im quite frankly worried what will be in the next decade. I mean what if AI is capable of problem solving? Is that really that far in the future? Havent we thought AI wouldnt be a thing till maybe 2040? Liebe Grüße aus München
SPO will not work because if the computer can replace redundancy, why should it not be able to fly all by itself at that point? Especially if it needs to recognise mistakes, would probably be easier to let it just do its thing at that point.
If or when the time comes that there are no human pilots at the controls of airplanes, I personally will never set my foot on board of an aircraft! People has gone nuts with their wet dreams of "artificial intelligence" which, in fact, is not an intelligence at all but rather sophisticated pre-programmed computer actions.
The EASA will approve this. But I see this not being approved in the USA….FAA takes on average 30 months to fix things, I bet it will take years. And I hope that’s the case bc I do not want to be the only pilot of an airliner. I know many other professionals in the industry that are strongly against single pilot operations
Nice rant, but regarding safety I rather prefer machines over human beings. And besides that, I am old enough to remember the exact same arguments when the flight engineers were replaced by better planes... 😉
I’m all for technology but my brain cannot phantom a commercial flight having only one pilot, even more no pilots at all. I leave that dilemma to my kids and grandkids generations! 😂
I guess this kind of technology will become implemented one day in future, but not the next 15 years. the technology is simply not up to the task YET. So, keep flying Cpt Joe, and as always, great video as usual! Greets from LSZG.
Germanwings flight whatever the fuck. Suicidal pilots? Passenger fear? Absolutely not. It’s up to us to fight company greed so that our sons will be able to be pilots without worrying about job security (at least not at a level 2x as bad as we have it on our worse years)
I just got my commercial pilots license last month and finishing multi engine training and I’m not worried at all lol give it 6 - 12 months of single or no pilot flights there will be a higher rate of accidents and paying customers will wise up pretty quickly and avoid it like the plague and it will be a financial disaster for investors of this system and airlines alike … not to mention a loss of life……….. don’t get me wrong one day in the future I don’t doubt planes will fly themselves but I don’t believe any time soon
I mean, this happens all the time as humanity progresses. Certain jobs become obsolete...new types of jobs are created. It is what it is. That said, as of right now in 2024, I would still prefer to have at least one actual human up in the cockpit. But, as technology advances over the coming years, I may very well feel differently at some point and be totally OK with no humans up there at all.
Even if they made the airplanes automated, I don't believe the airlines would pass on the 'cost savings' to the consumer anyway. So I don't see any benefit in removing the pilots purely on an economic point.
Tbh we all know with how advanced aircrafts have become where they could do a journey entirely on autopilot. But as a passenger would you board a flight with no captain or first officer and have trust in a computer?? I bet a large percentage would say no
I was told in the cockpit there will be a man a dog the man is there to feed the dog and the dog is there to stop the man touching anything. Imo you will always need a pilot when you need a pilot miracle on the Hudson proves that. Also a single pilot is a bad idea.
I can tell you that , I've often promised my laptop , that I will give it flying lesson's. Now say hello to Ur new pilot 😂😂 it's my laptop , 😂😂 it's annoyed me enough that the flying lessons have paid off. Positive AI CAN be used to do the captain voice over . 😂😂😂
I'd never board a single pilot plane, let alone a zero pilot plane. If we all reject boarding a plane with less than two pilots, the problem will be solved! 😁
Of course the airplane can fly itself.... But it comes with a price and a high risk. When we have plane incidents, it is because things are abnormal, the holes in the cheese match each other. I think both AI and a remote "pilot" on the ground will create more and bigger holes in the cheese and increase the risk of accidents. Airplane incidents often have a prior history, which can be difficult to observe if "pilot" are not present personally in the cockpit and not have been involved in the entire flight envelop. A cockpit work environment can be busy, even during a full normal flight. Sudden incidents require two pilots present to handle this. There must be two pilots in a cockpit to catch dangerous routines, stupid decisions and to make the right decisions. If there are only a single pilot in the cockpit, then there is a high risk that the pilot will get tired and fall asleep, Pilots must have company / counterpart, How will the pilots' skills be if automatics take more and more of the flight?. Remember outcome of many Flight incident has had a lucky outcome because the pilots have good flying skills, it's that simple fly the plane with the remaning functioning systems availble, Do you think AI can figure this out?
There’s an old joke that in the future, there will be a pilot and a dog in the cockpit. The dogs job will be to bite the pilot if he tries to touch anything. The pilot’sjob will be to feed the dog.
It's all for profit. There's no reason to spend more time diving deeper because that's all it is: money. If airlines didn't lose so much money in payouts, PR, lost of hardware, etc in every crash, they would have been down to 1 pilot years ago
Well, i for one dot think this is gonna be viable, safety is of paramount importance in our field and certainly cannot be compromised for any reason whatsoever. Profit margins will always change, but safety margins are the primary! Sadly, nobody takes a Pilot's opinion seriously on this topic coz they falsely assume that all we're trying to do is prove a point to save our jobs🤷🤷🤷
There are thousands of planes in production / order which do not have the capability to be in SPO. These planes will serve for decades to come and they will need 2 pilots. Also, many passengers are nervous flyers, they will prefer the airlines which are safer, really worth throwing out a pilot if you lose a lot of revenue? For me this topic is a little bit like sending a human to the Mars. Eventually it could happen in the future , but there are more important things in the world Or maybe I am just a wishful thinker because I want to be a pilot and I would like to have a job :)
Autonomous drones being compared to commercial jets? Bro that thing is about to explode at a target. Who needs a pilot for that? But commercial jets? Will airbus owner even be feeling safe to be in an aircraft flown by AI without human interaction?
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Let's not forget pilot's that just go batshit crazy like the guy who tried to crash the plane a couple years ago. If no one was around for oversight, there would be preventable disasters. No one will buy airline tickets if they try to save money in this area.
If nobody would be brave (stupid) enough to sit in such plane for the 3€ saved on the ticket then the problem would solve itself, because they cant make profit if they cant fill the plane with PAX.
I am not scared of flying, in fact I LOVE it, but I would be scared of flying on a single-pilot plane. If the pilot becomes incapacitaded, and the remote flying fails, it's game over.
Awful idea. If I know i'm flying in one of those planes I would cancel. I still remember the mcas trying to kill everyone in the 737 Max (if i'm not wrong). Well, It happened. Just because the pilots werent aware of the system to turn It off. What would happen if the same accident happens but there is not any pilot to turn off the system? And totally agree with the workload and the mental healthy issue. I don't desire to anyone to spent their lifetime alone in a cockpit. Thats depressing. Probably many pilots will choose to entertain themselves and distract to cope with that solitude. And if something happens in that moment, the pilot would not be aware enough. Lately puttin AI on everything to get rid of human making the job is the last fashion in CEOs strategies. I have even seen an add of a toothbrush with ai. This is just another empty idea coming from people that are far away of the problem their products and services tried to solve in the first place and far away from their customers. I bet that if people knows that the plane is flown by one or none pilots, the fear of flying will increase. And sadly we will see more accidents that could have been avoided with the team effort of a crew.
There are valid arguments against single pilot operations. However, no pilots in the cockpit would yield a measurable increase of safety, as the fully automated plane would not make any pilot errors. Like flying 270° instead of 27°. Like shutting down the good engine instead of the one that had failed. Like failing to set flaps before the takeoff run. Like failing to apply Oxigen masks in case the pressure is slowly lost while climbing. Like keeping to pull the yoke while the plane is stalling. Like approaching too fast and too high resulting in a runway excursion. Like failing to get the plane de-iced again after having waited in line for departure too long. Like making too many attempts to land at the destination airport before diverting. Like failing to perform a go-around though the approach is not stabilized. Like not finding the correct non-standard checklist in the manual. Like attempting to land on a taxiway. Like attempting to take off on a closed runway. Like flying instead of sickness. - How can we prove that the AI is safer than 2 pilots? Just build fully automated planes that can be still operated by pilots in the way they currently do it. One leg, the AI is in charge with pilots idle, next leg, the pilots are, with AI disabled. Then count the security related incidents.
@@melbar Pilot errors are by far more frequent than technical errors. An AI can be trained to handle any technical error that ever occurred. Pilots can only train for the most frequent ones.
You are thousands of feet in the air trusting a computer to take you home thousands of miles away, yeah I can do that anyday...with my brain full of cocaine and cannabis of course.
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I don’t think it’s greed. It’s cost, meaning the cost to pay a pilots salary is far less than the cost to implement the technology. It’s the same reason we don’t have many autonomous trains. All the technology exists but the technology costs is far more expensive than just paying a train driver. We will get no pilots one day, or at least monitored by pilots on the ground. Airbus and Boeing have said this is what they have wanted for 30 years.
The cost of additional technology in aircraft is going to be incurred anyway, just to reduce the burden on the pilot. Also, the cost of a pilot per flight is about 20%, and that is about 45% of the total cost of an airline, so about 8% of all costs, plus the training and rest time, which is also paid, I believe. Personally, I don't think it's a cost issue, but rather an issue of a potential pilot shortage. I think we simply need more pilots in the future, and for long-haul flights with two pilots the risk would probably be acceptable. Colleagues who are permanently stationed on the ground could also take on a lot of work in the pre-planning phase. But first I would at least partially automate air traffic control, which would be much easier than flying in abnormal conditions.
@mojo430 the question is do you want robots controlling humans (auto ATC but real pilots) or humans controlling robots (real ATC but auto pilots)? I do think the ground control can easily be automated. Again, it's no one putting money into development and it's the current workforce threatening that will stop this.
Im telling you right now that if airlines start adopting planes without pilots, i will never set foot on a commercial plane ever again
It won’t matter as plenty of others will as airline travel gets both safer and less expensive with autonomous airliners.
Same
SPO (Single Pilot Operation) sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice, it’s terrible. In an attempt to save money, the cost ends up goes up, and that cost is human lives, system failure, human fatigue, eventually it’ll add up to a situation that technology nor pilot couldn’t correct, resulting in an accident that’ll cost lives. As the old saying goes, “What goes around, comes around.” Captain Joe is right, there should always be two pilots in the cockpit, at all times.
Moreover, the more technology will replace human operators, the more we're going toward a total human unemployment leading to human starvation and extinction.
Am I too pessimistic? I hope so, but I'm afraid I'm not
@@vannizaniboni3502That’s not what automation or increased efficiency has ever resulted in, from the invention of fire to the advent of robotic fabrication. Rather more automation results in more human prosperity and more people in the fields of innovation, where humans excel.
Sully started the RAT b4 the checklist and its on his testimony. there was no dual engine failure at low altitude in the manual. AI works upon learning models, as long as we are willing to have "Disaster in the Hudson" instead of "Miracle on the Hudson" and actuaries determine that payout is worth the savings, it willl come. Similar to outsourcing MCAS software dev to someone who had never seen a pilots seat in any aircraft.
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I’m just gonna say it; no to both. Firstly, you’d have to get the aircraft certificated for Single Pilot operations not only by EASA but also TCCA and the FAA which is notoriously difficult to do or isn’t allowed by law for aircraft over specific MTOW or PAX. Secondly, people don’t seem to understand that in order to fly high UAVs beyond line of sight requires Ku band level receivers and transmitters, which will basically microwave you if you’re within 25 feet (if I recall correctly. Might be larger area) which means you’re looking at cargo only ops. Finally, even if you’re flying a UAV line of sight, you will have a Go-Around min altitude because by the time the signal goes to the CPU then to the FADEC you’re already on the ground. RQ-4s are notorious for those kinds of incidents mostly because ATC is rarely briefed on their min altitude for Go Arounds.
That would be an economic disaster.Nobody would want to fly in a large aircraft anymore. Do they really think we are that stupid ?And is there really a responsible pilot who would go along with that ? Could we still trust such a pilot ? I trust Captain Joe !
Get it, you can automate flying with just the captain. What if he gets food poisoning, or simply wants to take a dump and there’s a decompression in the cabin. Who’s gonna make the decision to land, will the captain be able to clean his mess fast and understand the situation in 5 seconds all while he’s in a decompressed washroom of 2x2ft size smelling like rotten bacon and eggs???
A.I can't get my ocado shopping right, let alone land a jet. we need 2 professionals in the cockpit
The day after I lock in pilot as my career this video comes out.... thanks Universe.
You can always fly FPV drones in the next world war..
This gonna ruin a lot of people's dreams. Lemme tell you that right now.
Even without ruining people's dream, safety is going to be thrown out of the window. Wait, the front door actually.
I remember reading this saying as a child in the 80s, "To err is human. To really screw things up, you need a computer." Automated single/no pilot airplanes would be a hard pass for me. I'd need to have a lot more confidence in the programming.
These simpletons think computers are incorruptible 😂....
This folks is the classic case of "fool me one, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on... shame on you". Of course we know none of these 'CEOs' will never fly on one of those "autonomous" equivalent of human carrying drones.
You are damn right! Safety and redundancy is the most important thing in Aviation and cannot be reduced by greed for profit.
Wow this infuriates me, future for our children looks dystopian
This subject crosses my mind as a student pilot with experience in A.I. @Captain Joe covers the core areas of concern really well here. I think single pilot ops is a scary prospect
SPO: just imagine a severe Birdstrike. Plane crashes, because the Pilot was not able to work on the Problem and had no time to call Mayday and ask the Dispatcher helping him with remote control to fly the plane, retract landing Gear, setting Flaps, shut down the Engine, extinguish the Fire, and set a safe Course all the same time in 800ft AGL.
Unlikely? well, it happend several times on SPO Aircrafts...
I vividly remember when I was in school for aircraft around 2000 era, all the talk was about how pilots in military and civil aircraft would become a thing of the past very soon. However, people feel alot more safe with an actual person flying and that's why it never happened from what I could always see.
1979 - 1980 war ich vor meinem Studium Purser bei Lufthansa. Auf der 707 wurden die Navigatoren eingespart, die 747 wurde gerade eingeführt und auf meinen Mustern hatte die 727 noch den Flugingenieur, aber die kleine „Bobby Boeing“ flog mit zwei Piloten. Da kam dann beim fliegenden Personal der folgende Witz auf:
Lufthansa spart jetzt alle Piloten ein, ein Computer fliegt den Flieger alleine. Nach dem Start kommt die Ansage an die Passagiere:
„Guten Tag auf unserem modernen Flugzeug ohne Piloten, ich bin Ihr Bordcomputer und werde Sie schnell und sicher ans Ziel bringen. Sie brauchen sich keine Sorge zu machen, ich bin so programmiert worden, dass ich keine Fehler machen kann………..
Keine Fehler machen kann………
Keine Fehler machen kann…….“
Various pilots in the cockpit is safer, for sure 💖 Great video
Airbus is really pressing their luck with this, “Single Pilot Operation”. What if in the future there’s a single pilot (on a shorter flight), and that pilot becomes incapacitated (like suffering a heart attack), then that flight is SOL. There should always be an emergency pilot on board just in case.
Hopefully there is a pilot among the passengers.
@@deltaskyhawk does MSFS experience count? 😂
@@drwhitewashHey hopefully xplane does too! Or maybe if they want we have our vatsim hours 😂
How do you know if there is a pilot at the bar?
Wait a few minutes he will come and tell you
I knew it would be Airbus to push this first. My reasoning is the use of Fly-by-Wire. You get so much automation data from thousands of daily usage of it that it's natural to try to automate it even more. IMO I think it's a fair test, on long haul flights, to try 3 pilots instead of 4
Wouldn't it be better to figure out how to do away with stewardesses first? Robo servants of some sort? Maybe pneumatic tubes to deliver food and drink? I mean all the seats are lined up already. One tube in each side and a clever robot in back could send things forward to multiple people rows at once.
Flight attendants are safety officers on the aircraft, not there just to give you your drink, but there to make sure that in the event of an emergency, you prepare for the emergency and can evacuate the aircraft swiftly if needed.
When there are no pilots up front, I wont be flying anymore.
Agree 💯 Joe. My gut said a big NO when this idea was first mooted, and you have just articulated the details of my gut feeling in this video. Having watched a huge amount of aviation accident/incident videos where the cockpit crew performed unbelievably under the most challenging of situations, it is incomprehensible that AI could even reach that level of finesse. Your statement about technological advances being an amazing tool are spot-on. That brief shot of a pilot alone in a two-seater airline cockpit made me feel a depressing sense of aloneness - and I'm glad that was one of your points raised. Will be a very sad, and retrogressive path aviation takes if this becomes a reality. Thanks for a great video Joe.
Profit over safety. Sad world we live in
A single pilot does the papers work, brief crews. check the aircraft (tires, damaged, oil leak etc etc) goes up to cockpit and fill the routing data, greets passengers....... Oh man, there's a lot to mention here. SPO is a terrible idea.
Wie lange arbeitet man jetzt schon am autonomen Fahren? Es klappt solange, bis irgendwo eine Baustelle auftaucht, ein blöde reflektirendes Schild steht, ein LKW über die querende Brücke fährt oder ein Karton auf der Fahrbahn liegt. Oder einfach nur etwas Nebel ist ("Frontkamera ausgefallen")
Wie will man einer KI >10.000h Flugerfahrung beibringen? Wie bringt man ihr bei richtig zu reagieren? Mal eben, sofern überhaupt noch vorhanden, FDR-Daten von Unfällen und glücklichen Ausgängen aufpielen wird da eher nicht funktionieren. Was ein Pilot in seinen Jahren im Kopf abgespeichert hat lässt sich nicht transferieren. Wie soll ein Remote-Pilot im Notfall eingreifen? Hat der dann Force-Feedback fürs das Popometer und kann er wirklich ALLES fernbedienen?
Und beim Thema KI besorgt mich vor allem: WER bringt ihr alles bei? Erfahrene Menschen oder Schreibtischtäter? Airbus und Boeing sind voll von Negativbeispielen. Und was mit derzeitigen KIs passiert, die von der aktuellen Gesellschaft mit "Daten" gefüttert werden, das möchte ich bitte nicht erleben...
I think that there is probably a generational difference in how this is viewed. As a boomer, I say, no way (I work in technology and with AI and know how problematic it can be, who wants the AI autopilot to hallucinate ). My youngest son however inherently trusts computers over humans. He says things like “they don’t get tired”, “they never miss a reading “… etc. even in the scenarios of handling the unexpected, computers are not subject to the startle factor and begin making corrections long before a human could. He and I often debate this (like I am certain many reading this will want to). My point isn’t who is right, but rather, different generations likely view this very differently (as a generalization).
This will absolutely happen and will happen sooner than we think. There is no doubt that fully automated airliners will increase air safety. Look at how reliable and capable rockets have become and they are fully automated. They aren’t yet fully autonomous, but that will come.
I predict that we will move to fully autonomous airliners within 20 years, probably with drone pilots on the ground as backups for a decade or so until full confidence is gained in the fully autonomous airliners.
Anecdotally, it is argued that businesses do NOT invest in IT Security; representing that paying the damages is LESS THAN the cost of the IT Security software and processes....... Just 'food for thought' (...and a truly frightening premise ... ONE pilot!?!?!? smh)
In my opinion flying cargo in remote areas is feasable.
Flying in dangerous areas would interesting.
If one pilot gets ill. You could share the workload with an operator at the ground or getting support from better computer assistents.
You don't have to solve the whole problem. Flying people around with an AI pilot, I don't think so.
In the United States, most trains are still operated by at least two people, and they are locked onto a track and the route set by the control center.
Perfect example! If mankind needs 2 humans to control a vehicle in 1 dimension space, how will it control a vehicle in 3 dimension space, plus the limitation that the vehicles can not stop when airborne?
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It's about when things go wrong, not when things go right. A well trained human brain is no match for a computer. It's also the reason pilots should be well paid - you're paying them for when things go wrong, not for all the 'easy/boring' bits. Managers have NFI in this regard.
When sh*t hits the fan, any plea by a distressed pilot to automation for assistance will be met with something along the lines of the famous quote by HAL 9000 in 2001 "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.". On a side note, these CEO's that are pushing the no-pilot-in-the-cockpit idea, would they want their private jets to fly as such with their a$$ in them?
no plane should fly with 1 pilot, what if a pilot becomes ill or we get a repeat of Germanwings 9525
This is what they seem to forget
Not having any pilot would solve Germanwings 9525.
@paulroling1781 until someone will try to hack the airplane's system and crash it into the side of a mountain
Ia can see 1 pilot operations in ferry flights. In the near future
2 Pilots Is a must when it comes to Commercial Travel hauling more than 50 Poeple.
Until the machine can do it all better than human, and handle any situation, even those reacquiring creativity and "inventing" a solution on the go - and have full redundancy at the same time this is nuts. If you *need* ONE human, you need TWO, simply because we can get get very ill or die without warning, regardless of the medical class and we got, and how long since last medical. ONE may be enough for cargo flights over unpopulated areas, where you assume that ground risk is small. We can fly single-pilot operations is small planes, not huge planes and/or hundreds of passengers.
The day general aviations falls to one pilot is the day I stop using airplane as a transportation mode !
We are not going to be able to prevent this reality. It will happen, passengers will come to trust autonomous airplanes just as they have come to trust multitude of other autonomous technologies.
We are only angry about this because it is finally happening to us pilots. We hardly put up a flight when all those other positions were lost, who are we to think others will come to our aide now that it’s our turn to become obsolete?
I doubt that pilots are getting reduced in the cockpit. Considering how the same people advocating for single pilot operations are trying to implement ground dispatchers to assist the captain in their duties already sound like they still need a second pilot in the cockpit. And leaving one single person at the controls of a plane sounds like a very good idea, all I am going to say is German Wings Flight 9525
-1 pilot and you will get way more accidents like German wings in France. -2. Just check how American self-driving cars experiment is going. I will never buy a ticket on a plane with no pilots. I could write a lot of things about AI, but I won't do it, because it's a different topic. It's not as good as tech companies are trying to show you
A plane that flies itself fully on it's own from gate to gate? Yeah thats coming. But not even a pilot sitting there overseeing it and ready to take over in the event of a failure? yeah thats not happening. They wouldn't sell a single ticket. I'm just starting my training and a fully automated aircraft could definirtely happen within my career. It's a sad time man. I often find myself wishing I was born a lot earlier so i could've been a pilot in the "golden age"
Thanks Joe very thought provoking video,i personally would not fly on a single or non pilot flight.As humans i believe we like to put our faith in the 2 humans at the flight deck who as humans arent going to do anything to risk getting home to their loved ones,plus theres a level of pride for a job well done,that i believe technology cant embrace,we humans are very special people,lets not forget that
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So grateful for this video, it really cleared my mind on that topic. Ive just turned 17 and I want to be a pilot so bad. And my only real concern is that, if im finished with my school and flight school, let's say that's in 6 years, and I start my job at an airline I don't want to be kciked out due to AI replacing me after just a couple of years in my dream job. It wouldnt be worth the struggle and financial risk I had put myself into to make my dream come true. I completely agree with you on those topics, but if we take in consideration of far AI has come in the last years, Im quite frankly worried what will be in the next decade. I mean what if AI is capable of problem solving? Is that really that far in the future? Havent we thought AI wouldnt be a thing till maybe 2040? Liebe Grüße aus München
SPO will not work because if the computer can replace redundancy, why should it not be able to fly all by itself at that point? Especially if it needs to recognise mistakes, would probably be easier to let it just do its thing at that point.
Not related to the video but where can you get those prints like the 747 one behind you!
If or when the time comes that there are no human pilots at the controls of airplanes, I personally will never set my foot on board of an aircraft! People has gone nuts with their wet dreams of "artificial intelligence" which, in fact, is not an intelligence at all but rather sophisticated pre-programmed computer actions.
The EASA will approve this. But I see this not being approved in the USA….FAA takes on average 30 months to fix things, I bet it will take years. And I hope that’s the case bc I do not want to be the only pilot of an airliner. I know many other professionals in the industry that are strongly against single pilot operations
Then wait till FAA is dismantled by Elmo. The best he will change it from "FAA gives permission to do this or that" to "FAA may object this or that".
Agree entirely, use AI to make more safe for 2 pilot operation, not 1 or 0 pilot operation. Very well presented. Cheers.
Nice rant, but regarding safety I rather prefer machines over human beings. And besides that, I am old enough to remember the exact same arguments when the flight engineers were replaced by better planes... 😉
But hey, at least the airlines will pass on their 4% savings onto the passengers, right? Right?
Just when I’m about to start my PPL🥲. What the hell
I’m all for technology but my brain cannot phantom a commercial flight having only one pilot, even more no pilots at all. I leave that dilemma to my kids and grandkids generations! 😂
I guess this kind of technology will become implemented one day in future, but not the next 15 years. the technology is simply not up to the task YET. So, keep flying Cpt Joe, and as always, great video as usual!
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Germanwings flight whatever the fuck. Suicidal pilots? Passenger fear? Absolutely not. It’s up to us to fight company greed so that our sons will be able to be pilots without worrying about job security (at least not at a level 2x as bad as we have it on our worse years)
I just got my commercial pilots license last month and finishing multi engine training and I’m not worried at all lol give it 6 - 12 months of single or no pilot flights there will be a higher rate of accidents and paying customers will wise up pretty quickly and avoid it like the plague and it will be a financial disaster for investors of this system and airlines alike … not to mention a loss of life……….. don’t get me wrong one day in the future I don’t doubt planes will fly themselves but I don’t believe any time soon
I mean, this happens all the time as humanity progresses. Certain jobs become obsolete...new types of jobs are created. It is what it is. That said, as of right now in 2024, I would still prefer to have at least one actual human up in the cockpit. But, as technology advances over the coming years, I may very well feel differently at some point and be totally OK with no humans up there at all.
I would rather have 4 AI robot Flight Attendants on the plane than 1 AI pilot to save company costs
Even if they made the airplanes automated, I don't believe the airlines would pass on the 'cost savings' to the consumer anyway. So I don't see any benefit in removing the pilots purely on an economic point.
Tbh we all know with how advanced aircrafts have become where they could do a journey entirely on autopilot.
But as a passenger would you board a flight with no captain or first officer and have trust in a computer?? I bet a large percentage would say no
I was told in the cockpit there will be a man a dog the man is there to feed the dog and the dog is there to stop the man touching anything.
Imo you will always need a pilot when you need a pilot miracle on the Hudson proves that.
Also a single pilot is a bad idea.
Either there are two pilots in the cockpit, or there is no flying at all (in an airliner ;))
As a maintenance engineer, I can't wait for the "prima donnas" A.K.A. pilots, to become a thing of the past.
Technology would bve more useful than some of my First Officer.
I can tell you that , I've often promised my laptop , that I will give it flying lesson's. Now say hello to Ur new pilot 😂😂 it's my laptop , 😂😂 it's annoyed me enough that the flying lessons have paid off. Positive AI CAN be used to do the captain voice over . 😂😂😂
I'd never board a single pilot plane, let alone a zero pilot plane. If we all reject boarding a plane with less than two pilots, the problem will be solved! 😁
I'll pass on both SPO operations and “AI” pilots although I do like Edwards Airforce base USAF test pilot school X-62 Vista!
Of course the airplane can fly itself.... But it comes with a price and a high risk.
When we have plane incidents, it is because things are abnormal, the holes in the cheese match each other. I think both AI and a remote "pilot" on the ground will create more and bigger holes in the cheese and increase the risk of accidents.
Airplane incidents often have a prior history, which can be difficult to observe if "pilot" are not present personally in the cockpit and not have been involved in the entire flight envelop.
A cockpit work environment can be busy, even during a full normal flight. Sudden incidents require two pilots present to handle this. There must be two pilots in a cockpit to catch dangerous routines, stupid decisions and to make the right decisions.
If there are only a single pilot in the cockpit, then there is a high risk that the pilot will get tired and fall asleep, Pilots must have company / counterpart,
How will the pilots' skills be if automatics take more and more of the flight?. Remember outcome of many Flight incident has had a lucky outcome because the pilots have good flying skills,
it's that simple fly the plane with the remaning functioning systems availble, Do you think AI can figure this out?
There’s an old joke that in the future, there will be a pilot and a dog in the cockpit. The dogs job will be to bite the pilot if he tries to touch anything. The pilot’sjob will be to feed the dog.
Only for military drones
It's all for profit. There's no reason to spend more time diving deeper because that's all it is: money. If airlines didn't lose so much money in payouts, PR, lost of hardware, etc in every crash, they would have been down to 1 pilot years ago
It will never happen until passengers are expendable
Well, i for one dot think this is gonna be viable, safety is of paramount importance in our field and certainly cannot be compromised for any reason whatsoever. Profit margins will always change, but safety margins are the primary! Sadly, nobody takes a Pilot's opinion seriously on this topic coz they falsely assume that all we're trying to do is prove a point to save our jobs🤷🤷🤷
There are thousands of planes in production / order which do not have the capability to be in SPO. These planes will serve for decades to come and they will need 2 pilots. Also, many passengers are nervous flyers, they will prefer the airlines which are safer, really worth throwing out a pilot if you lose a lot of revenue?
For me this topic is a little bit like sending a human to the Mars. Eventually it could happen in the future , but there are more important things in the world
Or maybe I am just a wishful thinker because I want to be a pilot and I would like to have a job :)
Autonomous drones being compared to commercial jets? Bro that thing is about to explode at a target. Who needs a pilot for that? But commercial jets? Will airbus owner even be feeling safe to be in an aircraft flown by AI without human interaction?
What percentage of airline accidents were caused by pilot error? I rest my case.
Replace the CEO with an AI, win-win :)
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They ca use the technology they used on 9/11 to fly he planes.
Let's not forget pilot's that just go batshit crazy like the guy who tried to crash the plane a couple years ago. If no one was around for oversight, there would be preventable disasters. No one will buy airline tickets if they try to save money in this area.
If nobody would be brave (stupid) enough to sit in such plane for the 3€ saved on the ticket then the problem would solve itself, because they cant make profit if they cant fill the plane with PAX.
I am not scared of flying, in fact I LOVE it, but I would be scared of flying on a single-pilot plane. If the pilot becomes incapacitaded, and the remote flying fails, it's game over.
Awful idea. If I know i'm flying in one of those planes I would cancel.
I still remember the mcas trying to kill everyone in the 737 Max (if i'm not wrong). Well, It happened. Just because the pilots werent aware of the system to turn It off.
What would happen if the same accident happens but there is not any pilot to turn off the system?
And totally agree with the workload and the mental healthy issue. I don't desire to anyone to spent their lifetime alone in a cockpit. Thats depressing. Probably many pilots will choose to entertain themselves and distract to cope with that solitude. And if something happens in that moment, the pilot would not be aware enough.
Lately puttin AI on everything to get rid of human making the job is the last fashion in CEOs strategies. I have even seen an add of a toothbrush with ai. This is just another empty idea coming from people that are far away of the problem their products and services tried to solve in the first place and far away from their customers.
I bet that if people knows that the plane is flown by one or none pilots, the fear of flying will increase. And sadly we will see more accidents that could have been avoided with the team effort of a crew.
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Who can guarantee no heart attack ever for a Pilot, I will never fly again if on a commercial flight 1 Pilot only….f-off 😮😮😮
If all jobs get replaced by AI no one will have money to fly and those greedy fat tycoons will go bankrupt too.
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There are valid arguments against single pilot operations. However, no pilots in the cockpit would yield a measurable increase of safety, as the fully automated plane would not make any pilot errors. Like flying 270° instead of 27°. Like shutting down the good engine instead of the one that had failed. Like failing to set flaps before the takeoff run. Like failing to apply Oxigen masks in case the pressure is slowly lost while climbing. Like keeping to pull the yoke while the plane is stalling. Like approaching too fast and too high resulting in a runway excursion. Like failing to get the plane de-iced again after having waited in line for departure too long. Like making too many attempts to land at the destination airport before diverting. Like failing to perform a go-around though the approach is not stabilized. Like not finding the correct non-standard checklist in the manual. Like attempting to land on a taxiway. Like attempting to take off on a closed runway. Like flying instead of sickness. - How can we prove that the AI is safer than 2 pilots? Just build fully automated planes that can be still operated by pilots in the way they currently do it. One leg, the AI is in charge with pilots idle, next leg, the pilots are, with AI disabled. Then count the security related incidents.
I too have been binge watching youtube channels about aircraft disasters, but technical failures still needs a human crew to cope with.
@@melbar Pilot errors are by far more frequent than technical errors. An AI can be trained to handle any technical error that ever occurred. Pilots can only train for the most frequent ones.
More concerned with a single pilots' nefarious intentions than with human error (the Captain touched on this too!)
You are thousands of feet in the air trusting a computer to take you home thousands of miles away, yeah I can do that anyday...with my brain full of cocaine and cannabis of course.
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I don’t think it’s greed. It’s cost, meaning the cost to pay a pilots salary is far less than the cost to implement the technology. It’s the same reason we don’t have many autonomous trains. All the technology exists but the technology costs is far more expensive than just paying a train driver. We will get no pilots one day, or at least monitored by pilots on the ground. Airbus and Boeing have said this is what they have wanted for 30 years.
The cost of additional technology in aircraft is going to be incurred anyway, just to reduce the burden on the pilot. Also, the cost of a pilot per flight is about 20%, and that is about 45% of the total cost of an airline, so about 8% of all costs, plus the training and rest time, which is also paid, I believe. Personally, I don't think it's a cost issue, but rather an issue of a potential pilot shortage. I think we simply need more pilots in the future, and for long-haul flights with two pilots the risk would probably be acceptable. Colleagues who are permanently stationed on the ground could also take on a lot of work in the pre-planning phase. But first I would at least partially automate air traffic control, which would be much easier than flying in abnormal conditions.
@mojo430 the question is do you want robots controlling humans (auto ATC but real pilots) or humans controlling robots (real ATC but auto pilots)? I do think the ground control can easily be automated. Again, it's no one putting money into development and it's the current workforce threatening that will stop this.
Add to passenger briefing: how to enter the cockpit and fly the plane when the pilot is incapacitated. Give qualifying passengers a discount on fare.
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