"MAYDAY vs PAN PAN" Why do pilots use these CALLS? Explained by CAPTAIN JOE
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Dear friends and followers welcome back to my channel and to a great video about the famous MAYDAY and PAN PAN call.
We´ll be looking at why and when pilots use these calls.
First off the definition of MAYDAY:
Mayday is an emergency procedure word used internationally as a distress signal in voice-procedure radio communications.
It is used to signal a life-threatening emergency primarily by aviators and mariners, but in some countries local organizations such as firefighters, police forces, and transportation organizations also use the term. The call is always given three times in a row ("Mayday mayday mayday") to prevent its being mistaken for some similar-sounding phrase under noisy conditions, and to distinguish an actual mayday call from a message about a mayday call.
The "mayday" procedure word was originated in 1923, by a senior radio officer at Croydon Airport in London. The officer, Frederick Stanley Mockford, was asked to think of a word that would indicate distress and would easily be understood by all pilots and ground staff in an emergency. Since much of the traffic at the time was between Croydon and Le Bourget Airport in Paris, he proposed the expression "mayday" from the French m'aider ('help me'), a shortened form of venez m'aider ('come and help me').It is unrelated to the holiday May Day.
Before the voice call "mayday", SOS was the Morse code equivalent of the mayday call. In 1927, the International Radiotelegraph Convention of Washington adopted the voice call mayday as the radiotelephone distress call in place of the SOS radiotelegraph (Morse code) call.
PAN PAN call definition:
The radiotelephony message PAN-PAN is the international standard urgency signal that someone aboard a boat, ship, aircraft, or other vehicle uses to declare that they have a situation that is urgent, but for the time being, does not pose an immediate danger to anyone's life or to the vessel itself. This is referred to as a state of urgency. This is distinct from a mayday call (distress signal), which means that there is an imminent danger to life or to the continued viability of the vessel itself Radioing pan-pan informs potential rescuers (including emergency services and other craft in the area) that an urgent problem exists, whereas mayday calls on them to drop all other activities and immediately begin a rescue.
The exact representation of PAN-PAN in Morse code is the urgency signal XXX, which was first defined by the International Radiotelegraph Convention of 1927.
But see more in the video on how they are being used accordingly!
Thank you very much for your time! I hope you enjoy this video!
Wishing you all the best!
Your "Captain" Joe
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"We need something to say when we're in distress, but it can't be "help", what do you suggest?"
"What if we said help..."
"Uhuh"
"But in *french*"
"Genius"
Except that in french, the real translation is: "aidez moi!!" or "à l'aide!!" What the guy must have heard was a question or a sentence like "pouvez-vous m'aider?" "allez vous m'aider" "je vous demande de m'aider". And yes, I am french ;)
@@ThierryC2373 enfin un francais mdr
It is genius, in its way. the international aeronautic language is English. Period. Even North Korea follows that, however unwillingly. French is an astonishingly common second language in many areas of the world (the size of La Francophonie attests to that), so it acts as an excellent mnemonic.
Intelligence level 55 and ascending.
@@ThierryC2373 Help as "help me i'm in danger" in French is "Au secours" " aidez moi" is give me a hand... sort of...( I live here too...)
ATC: pilot your engine is on fire!
Ryanair pilot: bruh chill.
Allegiant*
2:30 Remember V1.
Lol
VTEC just kicked in
Jose P. Restrepo allegiances md 80 we are running out of fuel cause Wtf
I'm not sure about the UK but here in the US pointing a Laser Pointer towards an aircraft is a felony
Edit: Well damn. This thread is probably my biggest just for pointing out a legality. Its pretty cool seing this many people share there experiences and knowledge. Thanks guys!
I can confirm it is in the UK as well, so the little shit pointing the green laser in the video would have the cops knocking on their door as soon as they could determine his location.
Can blind pilots. And cats. Just say no
janewright315 Yes, but they are fun with cats, as long as you point them at the floor rather than the cat.
@Firsthgyhgyhuy Lastujhujhuj we have the equivalent
UK has an indictable offences, which is pretty much same as felony. Fun fact, the word "Felony" was first used in UK! It was then changed into the indictable offence.
Hey guys! Sorry for the slight delay, pilots deal with delays nearly every day ;) And no this is not the future background of my videos ;) I had to improvise a little bit. Next week back in grey ;)
It’s ok the video was great
why is it in 360p?
Captain Joe congrats on your gold wings!!!!!!
Nice video, but I thing that white background was better.
Davi Epstein like others have said before the video hasn’t uploaded in 720p yet
I had no doubt you would make an awesome video! Congrats and thanks for sharing your kowledge, Joe!! :)
Hi Victor!
That was a great catch with the BA 744. Had they departed in the opposite direction, they would have flown directly over my house!
Keep up the Great Work, Cheers from KSFO.
Well the video wouldn’t have been possible without your great work! 😉
VASAviation - as soon as the video started I got confused because I am subscribed to both of y’all. I’m so happy that others get to see your work.
Yay VASAviation! Love from VABB
I’m a qualified pilot but every time i hear those mayday words, it sends shivers down my spine.
Body's aching all the time 😂😂😂😂
Goodbye everybody, I got to go.
Mayday panpan
Raphael S hahah 🤣
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Pan = get ATC's attention, mayday = get the media's attention
True
Mayday = Own the sky ;)
Canadian Plane Spotter lol
What does "allahu akbar" equa.............
@1tiercel and media attention
May you never need to use them. Safe flying to you and all.
I have been using mayday once not flying but when I was on a freight boat .
“Don’t be so dramatic” - Americans
And when there is an accident occur. They will follow your line and not call a MAYDAY :)
Back when i was 12 years old i was going to Florida with my Parents and big sisters we hit a Terbulant Cloud My first time flying i got thrown forward into the seat where My dad and Mom were sitting i hit my head and got a Bloody nose when we Landed I Had to go to hospital
May you, May you, May you! One of the passengers forgot to say goodbye! Requesting all emergency services to runway 35L!
"We are continuing to SPRKY." Gotta love the irony there. 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
That’s what I thought too. What a appropriate coincidence.
😂😂😂
Exactly,For a moment, I thought they were being witty to diffuse the stress..
Savage 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't forget the Lufthansa flight. "We lost an engine but no emergency" 😂
Which brings me to my question, even if the capt/FO does not say the words, the controller can still treat them as if they have used those words, I think.
That would qualify as a pan pan call, I would think.
I liked the towers voice, it looked like the pilot broke his feelings
They preemptively shutdown an engine on a 747 IIRC. "We are only Pan-Pan, we have 3 good engines" or something to that effect
@@dpm-jt8rj I've seen an aircrash investigation 'recreation' video where the ATC despite knowing the emergency, asks the pilot 3 times if he's declaring an emergency before giving any further instruction. I think it was the Dynasty Airline episode.
Really excellent radio examples you gave there!
I really like when youtuber or broadcaster says "thank you very much for your time". At the end or in beginning of video.
Your Welcome Captain.
*You're
@@eskiltester3913 *You're *welcome
Gotta follow grammar as well as spelling rules.
@@Funnywargamesman 😂 haha
Pilot: PAN-PAN, MAYDAY, PAN-DAY!
ATC: What are you saying?
Pilot: IDK, DUDE! WE'RE FALLING DOWN! I'M PANICKING HERE!
Hahahaha
I'm shitting myself
😂😂😂😂😭
I don't know, dude! We're falling down! I'm panicking over here!
The aircraft made him shit his pants...😂😂
Literally no one:
B737: *Just rotates*
Bird: *goes into engine* ima end this mans career
GamingWithAlan
And my own life
GamingWithAlan
well it's also gonna end it's own career
Wait, did you just say "737?"
Engine: ACK ACK ACK ACK ACK ACK
Sully Sullenberger: Uno reverse card.
Hello!
I watched this video from Japan.
I understood easily why does pilot use Mayday. Recently I have interested in aircrafts so I serched many videos about it. And I found your video. Your video is so simple.
So I could watch all parts of your video. I
Pan-Pan Pan-Pan Pan-Pan, I've got crippling debts and a failing marriage. 😂😂
correction: May Day May day May Day
Forget it - just ditch as soon as you can...!
EJECT! EJECT! EJECT!
@@brandtbecker1810 roger that, we'll squawk 7700, tune 121.5 and proceed direct to the nearest body of water
@@ricksnyder9244 negative, ive already told @Brandt Becker that we're going to ditch. But I like your thinking
"Mayday! What are you talking about? That was weeks ago it's nearly June! " 😂👍 That was a nice touch Joe! :-)
But "nearly June" is still a "May day"? xD
Jegorex no - May Day is a public holiday and is the first Monday in May so a bit away from June
I thought he might use the red dwarf clip. ruclips.net/video/_aPF-Rui09Y/видео.html
Good old british humor.
The military have another call “NODUF”, then state the emergency. It’s used to indicate that the message is real, not a training simulation.
The worst one I heard was “NODUF, Sunray Tango 4 has been killed. Tank slipped from bridge”. What that meant was D squadron leader has killed.
Peter King RIP 😢
Some random people on the Internet (www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/where-do-the-words-biff-and-no-duff-come-from.68379/#post-1456074 ) say that NODUF comes from "No Direction Finding" - i.e. this is a call you're making *during* an exercise about a real, not simulated, casualty. But you want to spoil the exercise as little as possible, not having this transmission give away your position.
And from there it maybe evolved into "Not Duff" (information), i.e. real, not fake.
If anyone has better sources that contradict this, please let me know.
I'm not a pilot, but enjoy watching aviation videos. I usually have to Google everything...but those days are over! You explain everything in such detail and give the rationale for why. Excellent teaching skills that not many people possess. You remind me of my Microbiology teacher in college. Thank you! (Reading the comments below, I laughed so hard I cried).
Who needs flight training we have Captain Joe😂
I need to be trained by cpt joe
@@bornloventikha479 me too🤣
Wow MAY DAY - M'AIDEZ (Makes such good sense) I never put that together before!
As an ex-ATC Officer of 17 years, I wish to commend you on this video. This is one of the best explanations I have seen on this topic , with perfect examples to demonstrate usage. I will be commending this video to my ATC mates to use with their training packages. Great job!
Hey Captain! I belong to an astronomy club, we use Lasers to point out stars to the kids. Always used responsibly, if there is an aircraft in the vicinity we turn them off. CQD was the original SOS message. Great video Captain. Inspirational! RgY! 💯👍🏴
Same here, I am an amateur astronomer and I use a laser pointer, with ALL the precautions. I really fear when stupid people start using lasers in an irresponsible way because sooner o later they are going to ban them for everyone.
It is especially useful in pointing out those moving stars with blinking lights...
CQD actually dates back to the days radios had been introduced on ships. I think Marconi was the first of them. Radio equipment even came with the radio operators back then. Marconi even defined the communication protocol to be used with their equipment. CQD was introduced very early in the last century when Morse code was the only way of radio communication.
Only few years later the Morse code ...---... Was introduced in Germany and shortly after adopted internationally. I think the RMS Titanic was the first to use it and actually used both. The Morse code was not even specified as discussed but as kind of a special easy to recognize signal that would be unlikely in a normal radio communication. SOS is even only one way to transcribe it in American Morse code as other languages codes and other letter combinations can create the same signal. Only other than normal messages there is no pause between the single letters. It just happened that SOS in American Morse code is by far the easiest one to memorize.
Alex Ku, thanks for the intuitive reply, you are 💯 correct. Thankyou pal! Especially for taking your time to write a reply! 👍💯
@@alexku8452 You are confusing American Morse code with radio telegraph code. They are entirely different.
13 minute video breakdown.
MAYDAY = True Emergency
PAN PAN = Semi Emergency, but not critical.
Travis Swentosky Thank you.
I read this but still continued to watch captain Joe!
Micter same
Travis Swentosky thanks alot
Thank you .. you saved 13.23 mins of my life
That last Delta pilot declaring an emergency was cool as ice.
How about Sully saying "we're going into the Hudson" or "we'll be in the Hudson" or whatever he said? That was pretty calm.
@@CallieMasters5000 That too
He was so matter of fact about it... just "Yeah so Delta 1063 got an engine out from a bird strike" I could imagine afterwards him talking about going to a bar or a strip club after they land. Awesome
Calm, as ice, yet hot and bothered in bed.
Na
Cool as Bose-Einstein-Condensate (a view nanokelvin)
The professionalism of these guys is amazing. Staying so calm and collected at all times.
nobody:
captain joe: Im gonna photoshop 3 planes on the wall
l0l
😂😂😂
I think he's been sponsored by an airplane sticker company, they look more like matte stickers to me then photoshop.
L0L
On some of his videos I think there are actual plane models on the walls.
Real Captain Joe fans watch his videos even in 360p
FlyLikeAlbatross I’m watching in 144 cuz my WiFi is being retarded but still watching
Didnt even notice its 360p until j saw this comment lmao
FlyLikeAlbatross yes
Lol,i watch almost all videos on 144p
I have to watch 250
i am an air traffic controller, good job with your videos, its set clear many thing even for us, and help to do a better duty
Victor, have you heard of the fuel emergency. I saw it some years ago in a ICAO document. Used for situations where pilot is aware of very low fuel and has to land and cannot make a go around.
Its like the Dr Mike of pilots, definitely subscribing
I see that you're a man of culture
Wow.
I thought Pan-Pan was a Little Caesar's pizza deal.
Freeman Z 🤣🤣🤣
"FedEx 482 Heavy, we are declaring an emergency. The co-pilot and I are hungry af. Requesting vectors to Pan-Pan pizza."
"Roger FedEx 482 Heavy, I've alerted delivery drivers. Turn left 120 and descend 4000. You are cleared to chow down at runway 2B"
Yes; they deliver at 30,000 feet or less, or your money back!
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Who ordered the pepperoni with a side of blocked runways?
As an international 767 Captain, this is a great explanation! Well done!
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12:20 I love how without context that can be interpreted as either a slight against American engineering or a compliment of American pilots (or both).
Considering Boeing's recent troubles, it's probably a bit of both
“And the boys with the lasers GET A LIFE” 😂😂 seriously who would do that 🙄🙄
That's sexiest! Why do they think only boys do that? My sister does it too!!
People who don't have a life
@@deltabeta5527 if she really does, she'd better get sterilized for the sake of humanity (:
@@deltabeta5527 A very clever sister you got there.
Ive had it done to me when I was doing my night rating. Unfortunately for them, we have a police helicopter based at our airport.
This is why i love aviation, it's so tightly controlled, and it feels like a living, breathing machine.
Thank you for this helpful video. Again, this makes me much more confident in flying in an airplane. A really good example for experienced pilots who can't be disturbed!
Captain Joe, VASAviation, H89SA, and Kennedy Steve, all on the same video, how can you go wrong?
Jason Mizuno My sentiments exactly. I got progressively giddier as I noticed each one!
And they say infinity war is the most ambitious crossover event in history
My dad was a flight instructor, and when he was teaching me to fly, we were doing engine failure simulation.
Before the flight he had me study the engine failure procedures which I did.
One of the steps on this plane (A J-3 Cub) was, "Check throttle setting" so when Dad pulled the throttle to idle to simulate an engine failure he said "Your engine has failed, deal with it"
I looked out, found a place to land very quickly (We were over California farm land, with a nice alfalfa field (which does't use plowed furrows, just nice flat, hard dirt) I lined up, saw the throttle setting was at idle and, choosing to be a smart ass (I was 15 at the time), just returned the throttle to its normal setting.
I was expecting to be told off, but instead I was praised for responding correctly to the situation.
Flying is cool. I wish I had stayed with it.
any particular reason why you can't go back?
*Pan! Pan! Pan! Pan! Pan! Pan!* - is what my neurotic girlfriend screams at me when she's making dinner.
My Mom Threw a Turkey at my sisters because they were Fighting i said mom that turkey is a Flyer instead of a fryer
Your girlfriend makes dinner?
Lucky dude
I feel like a sexual orientation joke could be made as well...
Chad Mower did you tho? Really? I think not.
pan down pan down
I like your improvisation with the backround
If I was I pilot and someone shined a laser in my eyes, I'd do a fuel dump over them.
Better to dump the shit from the toilets xd
If they're just standing outside, dump the shitters. If they're barbecuing, soak them with Jet A.
Have they found who did it? The arrested couple was set free but do they have anybody else? That laser pointer should be pointed back at his/her eyes!
Why not drop the entire plane on them!
Delta Beta I support this wholeheartedly, until I remember that the passengers are innocent.
“Mayday” means “Attention everyone, I have an emergency!”
“Pan Pan” means “Everyone on this frequency shut up, I have something important to say!”
But in a mayday call, everyone else on the channel must also shut up.
"stand by" means "I'm a little busy right now"
Panne in French is a breakdown. Pan,Pan means we have some sort of breakdown. M'aider means 'Help me !" It is used in life threatening emergencies.
Superb. Thanks for this video! There is one thing I have found about emergency calls as a Pilot, and that is my reluctance to declare an emergency if it's not as straightforward/cut and dried as some of these examples. For instance, as a VFR-only Pilot, I was once caught by deteriorating weather conditions reducing visibility, and I needed a bit of guidance (eventually received a radar vector) to get back to my airstrip, a tiny grass strip in the middle of nowhere. I should really have declared a PAN PAN but I didn't. Ah well, I have learned. And I owe that controller a pint ;)
Tony, your point is well made. Years ago (late 80s), I was one of a number of teens taught to fly at a civilian airfield as part of a military scholarship scheme. One of the guys got disoriented during his Navigation Flying Test. He declared an emergency and got re-oriented with the help of some military radar controllers who also warned him about fast-moving military traffic in close proximity. At the time, despite being a friend, we were too immature to do anything but mock him for doing so. In hindsight, he was more mature than the rest of us put together and deserves credit for putting his ego aside and doing the right thing. As both a former rookie pilot and subsequently a rookie sky-diver, I took risks where weather is concerned that were dumb. I imagine it probably catches everyone out at some time, and I am lucky that I get to look back at my stupidity with nothing but embarrassment and hopefully a certain amount of (well-earned!?!) wisdom.
You can’t say im procrastinating when I stop studying and watch CaptainJoe’s video
You are in a pan-pan-pan situation
Same here lol
I'm studying to be a military pilot and i like watching these kind of videos, thanks for sharing your knowledge with the community, appreciated it, regards
That moment of happiness when Joe upload a video
So interesting Topic
Edited background?!
and the Airplanes are overlayed on the Vid:
Probably because he's in Ecuador not at his home setup. So he found a blank wall and recorded a video and tried to make it look a bit like his setup
@@SimonSNB Sure, and there were no Jumbo / Concorde in Google :D
btw: the video is good as is
Yup buddy
Simon SNB You are reading my mind😉
6:22 Now imagine being a passenger on that plane, looking out the window and seeing an engine doing that right next to you...
Im shitting myself
And HEARING those loud surges!!! (SEEING may make one doubting it is happening, but then HEARING will confirm "DAAAMN, it IS happening!!!)
Normally you wouldn't imagine a camera on board capturing that. That poor passenger was probably taking videos to a great aerial view of the airport and happened to witness something terrifying.
Depends on the passenger. The steel balls of some people never cease to amaze me, whether they are completely calm or find a certain reckless pleasure in real life dangerous situations.
"Hmm yes it seems this one is *steam powered* "
I am an astronomy enthousiast, thus, I often shine my laser at the night sky. To point at the various stars and other celestial objects.
I always knew it is dangerous to point at an airplane, but I did not know why... I could not imagine a little laser pointer damaging an airlpane.
Now I see why. It's not damaging the airplane itself, it's blinding the pilots flying it! It never crossed my mind!
I always try to use my laser safely, but I am going to be more cautious with passing airplanes from now on.
Thank you for informing us.
PAN PAN is also used in maritime alerts, although the USCG pronounces it PON PON .
@@DanOutdoorsUK Only in Rihanna's first big hit. lol
Christopher its used also in Uk
Ponf ponf
What? How do they pronounce that? 😆
So is mayday to it works the same as it dose in aviation
Pan Pan just means there's a small oil leak and they need a pan quickly
I'm gonna use my trusty frying pan...
𝐀𝐬 𝐚 𝐝𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐚𝐧.
That why I will not be a pilot. Because I can say pan pan pan, I want eggs.
6:18 bird flying away.
Looks back.
To be continued...
Captain Joe is so amazing, explains things so well
Got flying lessons for my 65th birthday and retirement.....always loved flying but have had life dedicated to music.....loving every minute of my trainng in a Cessna 152, and learning so much. Thank you for your wonderful videos that are so informative and clear....really helping me towards my lessons....and hopefully, eventually my license! Many thanks again!
Capt. Joe is endlessly interesting, articulate, and cool!!
There are errors about the SOS code. The code must be transmitted as a signal and not as a sequence of three letters.
This is the code as you show it: ... --- ...
This is the right code, without spaces: ... --- ...
You made the mistake by displaying the code AND with the sound.
I would add a small clarification, the SOS code has not always been a distress call. Before the SOS existed the CQD.
SOS has replaced the CQD because it is easier to recognize. ;-)
SOS: ...---...
CQD: -.-. --.- -..
I'm American. I appreciate the clear enunciation. Also you are lmpw;edgable, did your research! Some of the aviation videos from UK are very difficult to understand for me. So thanks for your clear pronunciation, also subtitles.
Captain Joe.. I have one question .. Have you ever been in any plane incident ? If yes please make a video and an explaination on it ... And on top of all u seems to be the best pilot ever !! :)
When you know the answer but still watch, because you know you are going to learn something new :)
Love this - I'm a professional yacht skipper - so I recognise all of this - happily never had to make either call - but have done relays for a couple
Joe can you do a video on what CAT I CAT II and CAT III means?
It means 1st cat, 2nd cat and 3rd cat... what is so difficult amigo?
Cat I is a mongrel. Cat II is a purebreed but not registered. Cat III is a purebreed registered with the American Kennel Association.
CAT I is “runway in sight.... landing” .............. _BANG!!_
CAT II is “runway in sight... holy crap!” _BANG!!_
CAT III is “runway in..” _BANG!_
Level of service provided by airfield ILS systems (also level of certification of aircraft receiving equipment) in regards to guidance to the ground. Affects decision height (I believe 200ft, 50ft and 0ft respectively).
Also convenient naming scheme for visibility conditions - i.e. you can't land in CAT III weather if your aircraft is only CAT II certified, etc.
@@HungryGuyStories funniest reply I have seen on any site; good job!
all the dislikes are from the kids with the lazer
I used to think MayDay means both engines failed and PanPan means one engine failed.
You explained both the calls very nicely in a very simple way. A great video
5:12 - I want to know more about planes dumping fuel. Is it really not an issue to rain thousands of gallons of fuel out of the sky?
Not a pilot so i might be wrong,
In order for planes to land they have to be below a defined weight, more weight means more stress on the airframe and more runway needed to stop. Also if a plane does crash you have a nice size fireball on your hands
Alorand in order to dump fuel you have to be at least if I remember correctly 7,000 ft alt so it can evaporate before it gets to the ground any more question let me know I am a son of a airline family
So, is Pan Pan still an emergency and pilots should squawk 7700?
Pan-pan (or "urgency") calls are a way of pilots letting ATC know how urgent their situation is, so for example from highest to lowest priority for air traffic is: Mayday ("Emergency"), Pan-pan (and helimed flights fall into this category I believe), "Priority Landing", normal traffic.
Interesting side note: ATC can assign you a different priority depending on what you've said the situation is, e.g. they might prioritise a medical emergency who's asked for priority landing over a pilot who's called pan-pan for engine vibration who can still fly if it gets worse; or perhaps they might give you priority because you've said engine trouble/alternator failure etc without ever explicitly declaring the need for priority (and you might even be asked to squawk 7700, who knows).
Not a pilot but I _think_ that sums it up, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong ;)
Seems to me squawking 7700 means that there is an emergency, whereas panpan is more like just a heads up, so no, I wouldn't think so. But I could be wrong.
Pan-pan is a call that you have a issue but it’s flyable for the time being. The example was a bird strike but engine was only vibrating whilst running, it gives the ATC a warning that you would be likely to return.
Mayday is the emergency and that a engine has shut down or there’s a medical emergency that’s urgent so will definitely return and will need to go direct with no hold up
pan-pan is not an emergency, it's an "urgency".
Mayday: You are in a potentially life-threatening situation and require immediate assistance.
pan-pan: You require assistance from ATC because of some special situation. Not life-threatening for you. Can also be used to inform ATC about emergencies of others. (You normally wouldn't use mayday for that)
pan-pan is also used for anything that could develop into a life-threatening situation. The engine vibration is great example. It's not a huge issue at the moment, but the engine could fail at any time, which may or may not be worthy of a mayday call.
Something else to consider: There are generally not a lot of repercussions of declaring an emergency (mayday). If you are not sure if you should declare one - do it. Too many pilots have lost their lives just because they didn't declare an emergency. (Almost out of fuel? That's an emergency!)
@@sparkymax4290 you would be correct, squawking 7700 indicates you are experiencing an emergency. Source: am a pilot.
Very interesting! Thanks.
I recall in tech writing the difference between Warning and Caution, the difference being threat to equipment and threat to life. Not the same thing.
But I remember a lot of weird things and though Pan-Pan was only used on yachts.
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This is my first viewing of any of your videos. I learned a lot, and appreciate the clarity of your instruction.
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Just to nitpick...
It's either "m'aider" as part as a sentence ("Pouvez-vous m'aider ?") or "Aidez-moi".
"M'aidez" on the other hand is never valid in French.
I think I've read somewhere that it originally comes from WW1, where French soldiers would yell "V'nez m'aider" (Come help me), and Britishs and later Americans understood "Mayday"
Just proves that using French was a mistake
Han O'Neem Tout à fait (you're absolutely right)
I wanted to highlight the same thing.
Well... this is also proving that google translate is not that good
And we take that proudly in Seattle
I worked for 911 ambulance division as a dispatcher back in the 90s. We also had these codes in addition to our 10-codes.
I noticed your comment about your buddy and thought back to the sense of kinship we would feel from hearing the same voices all the time. Most paramedics wanted to visit us to put a face to the voice. We liked that. I'm wondering if pilots feel the same way about their air traffic controllers.
Shoulda' mentioned that pan pan and mayday calls aren't exclusive to you wing jockeys...it's also sop for nautical vessels in distress.
The big difference is that, as a sailor, I can make my calls in a pirate accent. If a pilot tries that, questions as to their sanity and competence will quickly arise.
Stephen Taylor I’m an emergency fire dispatcher and we also use Mayday (but not Pan Pan, and no pirate accents!)
@@shannonh6855 See...sailors are objectively the most awesome.
Wait...emergency fire dispatcher...do you 'dispatch' fires to places during emergencies or...???
Before I started watching I knew one thing about pan: Clear the airspace and don't bother us with radio
Wrong. Radio communication is essential.
As you can see. This is a good example that you can forget things easily if they don't have much interest for me.
@@teksal13 - Wrong. MAYDAY commands radio silence on the frequency in use. Urgency communications have priority over all other communications except distress, and the word PAN-PAN warns other stations NOT TO INTERFERE with urgency transmissions.
I was on HMCS Vancouver (Port look out when this happened) when we received a Pan Pan from a small charter boat that was taking on water. We just dropped the pick in Port Simpson when the Pan Pan turned into a Mayday. Our CO saw we were close and just after we secured the anchor party, we called them back in.
The confused look on the Master Seaman's face was funny, but I shouted down to him about the mayday and he started hollering for his lil bosuns to get the pick up again.
By the way, we were able to rescue everyone.
I was curious what PAN PAN means... I heard this right after a 737 took off right before us during flight lesson. We had to take a different runway due to debris by the previous flight...
Thanks for explaining, Captain!
AVIATION CHEAT CODES
7500-fly in formation with jets
7600-atc mute button
7700-priority landing anywhere
Going to keep that in mind. Thanks sir.
Pretty sure I saw that some where
'panne', pronounced with two syllables, is also used in german, mostly to describe a car breakdown.
a 'reifenpanne' describes a flat tire.
Please do a video “airline pilot stereotypes” in a fashion of the “hat stereotypes” by sound Smith.
Everyone: "This video taught me some stuff"
Me: "That's the same ambient music that The Slow Mo Guys use in their slow mo footage!"
Creative commons is always fun
I like how the pilot maintains authority in air travel. It means they are able to think for themselves. It is a great system.
That Delta pilot was like, "ah hold My beer. we got this!"
Delta pilots either are 100% chill, or 100% out of fucks. I used to fly Delta all the time
Flight attendants, role?
QF 32 singapore to sydney engine blow out and was a PAN-PAN call
I was thinking the exact same thing. He had a catastrophic engine failure leading to a fuel leak and control problems. That seems life threatening to me.
@@bryan53566 I think the Air France flight as well heading west to America but had to divert in to Canada.
QF 32 called Pan Pan Pan to clear the air space and to have some time figuring out what happened to there engine. I believe after they called for an Emergency Landing. Also if you don't know Pan Pan Pan means to clear the Air Space and don't radio us until they need ATC.
The indications in the cockpit at the moment of transmission did not indicate an immediate life threatening situation.
Ahh could watch your vids all day, you have great charisma. Appreciate these very valuable bits of education.
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PAN PAN PANINI I JUST KEKD MY CESSNA INTO THE SIDE OF A MOUNTAIN
Pilots rock, I have the same admiration for them as a surgeon because both have my life in their hands.
10:52 probably the first time i saw cap'n joe get mad😂. Justifiable though.....
So "help me" doesn't work for English-speaking pilots, but "m'aidez" works for Brts and French pilots?
i wish they used ''Ay Caramba'' instead!
I love your little tips on everything. It makes everything easier to understand.
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Loving the content and knowledge from your channel.. amazing( great personality too)
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Im just kidding
I’m just gonna pretend like I know what you’re saying
Ich wusste gar nicht dass er Deutsch spricht.
Oder er hat dir einfach so ein Herz gegeben.
12:00 That super-cool pilot with the Texas draw, might not actually be from Texas. Tom Wolfe in the Right Stuff spends a couple of pages talking about how pilots and astronauts developed or adopted this very laid back accent. As a sea kayaker I've twice called the Coast Guard and said, "I think I'd like to declare an emergency" (I have no idea if this is any conventional form) and got the answer, "Do you have an emergency or not?" One time I responded, "It'll be an emergency in about 30 minutes...." I was going to explain... but, I think it was pretty clear. Thanks for this video. I guess I should find out what the expected form is for reporting situations at sea.
It seems to me that the difference between Mayday / Pan Pan and saying "declaring an emergency" is when the event happens. Seems like Mayday / PAN PAN is unexpected and "declaring an emergency" is after the pilots have already had the time to go though the checklists to try and fix the issue.
It's American. Americans "declare an emergency" due to FAA regulations. Though a mayday meets ICAO requirements the FAA prefer "declare an emergency", they are equivalent in meaning though.
There is no distinction between emergencies in the US. Any emergency is an emergency and is treated as such.
I would think the biggest difference is that "declaring an emergency" is better when you expect people to already be listening to you, know you are on that specific channel, and probably already know the basics about your aircraft.
Pan-Pan/Mayday is really good when no-one expects the call, and importantly it gets their full attention _before_ you say anything else. Whereas starting with a callsign and _then_ saying the magic phrase ("declaring...") means by the time the listener's brain registers "...emergency" (hang on, did he say... wait what), the declaring pilot is already well into giving the critical info. Fine for ATC, not good for any other situation, IMO.
The latter two also work much better when comms are crappy, or the pilot is breathing hard from fighting with the controls or talking through an oxygen mask, etc, or just borderline panicked. Same reason for the triple repeat. Even when you can barely hear it, "...a-nay... a-nay... a-nay..." has a distinct pattern.
(Non-pilot. My radio experience is maritime. We also have "Securite" (French again) for safety warnings and similar information.)
Ryan Air pilot: Pan Pan(3) the landing gear broke after our "perfect" landing
there is an english sailing boat called Maybe. it participated in Tall Ship Races few times. everytime someone calls them on radio, it sounds like mayday call.
These are two code words that no pilot would want to say to ATC in their flying career.
it will once they learn to ''mesh up'' those thrusters from pesky kamikaze birds!..
Why is it in 360p?
That's normal right after uploading a video...just wait half an hour and it will be in 720p...
@LoUiSkNoWlEs ! yes it is normal
@LoUiSkNoWlEs ! It is just how RUclips works if you upload video and make it public straight away.
elite only looks at 360p
New to RUclips?
Outstanding. Videos like this is why we need the internet.
Who is here after The crash of PIA aircraft??
me
Mayday mayday mayday pakistan😢😭
Horrible pilot error. May all their souls rest in piece
ME
pia pilots: sir mayday mayday mayday pk8303
karachi atc: pk8303, roger, so both runways are available to land.
after 10 seconds disaster happens 😥😥
rip to all passengers on board