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@brodiebrazil This is called a "motion to reconsider." Any vote taken can be taken again (at the same or next meeting) if a member asks for that privilege. It has no real effect if the vote isn't close - because it would fail if reconsidered - but a one-vote difference means "we may have to come back to this topic." That means there were unsettled issues (perhaps waiting on more info from the insurance company, Rays, MLB or even the County vote). The fact that it was taken again - and failed the second time - means somebody voting "Yes" switched to "No." So, they got some new information that hasn't been fully reported yet. BTW: "Reconsideration" isn't just a St. Pete City Council rule. This is from "Roberts Rules of Order" which is the standard guide for parliamentary process in public and corporate governance.
I still can't get over this hurricane passed through the Tampa area on the same day the Tropicana in Vegas got imploded and now Tropicana Field is damaged and things aren't looking good!
What do you mean things aren't looking good? This is a great outcome. A decade ago St Pete didn't have council members with the sense to accept 40 million dollars from the Rays to let them leave early.
The City of St. Petersburg lowered Tropicana Field insurance coverage for wind & flood damage in early 2024, capping coverage at $25 million. That’s why they had to vote on funding $23 million to fix the stadium. It's money in addition to insurance coverage. And even then, they would still require FEMA funds to reach the total estimated cost of repairs. If the City Council approves this money, it would be a tacit admission to their taxpayers that their effort to save $275,000 in annual insurance costs resulted in a $23 million dollar tax bill. Perhaps they’re unwilling to make that admission.
It’s brutal to look at the trop daily. When the sign got knocked during Helene it was a bad omen but by Helene it was clear it would never be the same. I bicycle by the there every day and feel so bad for the workers.
Yeah I'm so sorry Brodie that they did that to.your team honestly i think and I'm not the only one that it was a major mistake and thar I'm not sure the vegas move is even gonna happen regardless of what they say.
@@brodiebrazilagreed! I have been a season ticket holder since 2011 and I'm devastated. The stadium employees have become like my second family. i hope they can come to some sort of agreement and keep baseball in the Tampa area.
It actually makes sense to not repair the Trip. But combined with not approving the bonds, as well as the Rays seeming to hedge against the project, seems to guarantee the Rays are gone
Salt Lake City here is your chance to LAND a MLB team. Either the Rays owner will SELL or RELOCATE the team very soon... Nashvile here is your chance to LAND a MLB team. Charlotte here is your chance to LAND a MLB team. San Antonio here is your chance to LAND a MLB team... Get with it, this shouldn't take long... Maybe within days...
@@ronclark9724 I'd say much like the NHL, SLC is the only city that is prepared to take the team whenever MLB wants to grant it to them - confident it will build a state-of-the-art new ballpark fully funded while the team plays at Smith's Ballpark in the interim.
Not that surprising. For most of the Rays time there, they had lousy fan support. I'd been to the Trop for a handful of games over the last couple decades, and I could always walk up and get seats behind the plate or within the arc from 3rd to 1st day of the game for much less than face due to the crappy attendance. St. Pete would have been a terrible decision for the Rays. Every bit as bad as moving there and renting that eyesore of a stadium was way back when.
I agree it's time to reject funding these sports facilities, but what taxpayer wants to own a sports stadium? Nobody in their right mind would want ownership rights in them. It's just a bigger maintenance money pit than owning a house.
Some politicians want the Rays in St Pete because I don't want their legacy associated with the Rays leaving. Fortunately there are fewer of those then there were a decade ago when the city declined an offer a 40 million dollars from the Rays for the right to break the Tropicana lease and leave
Utah is starting to look a lot more attractive. Salt Lake City has about $1 billion in taxpayer money for a stadium and a dig ready location, plus an ownership group ready to front the rest of the dough. Hmmmm.
@@charlesjwinbaseball season is in the summer. They don’t have to compete against the Jazz and the Hockey club. Sure they barely over lap but not enough to make a difference. Utah loves sports and wants teams to come. If you build it, they will come.
Salt Lake Bee's average attendance is 6,300. They are building a new stadium in the south valley . Salt Lake has a long baseball history. They have government support at all levels for MLB.
Repairing the Trop makes zero sense at this point. The stadium hasn’t made sense since its first proposal if you understand the area where they placed it. Also a relocation fee would cost the team more than just building a new stadium. So, in that light, the MLB and the team need to figure some things out. Find a way to build a stadium closer to a fan base and forget Tropicana. Use Steinbrenner Field in the interim. Politics will screw this up, though.
Amen and Amen .. St. Pete never should have been the home of a major franchise. I’m ok if they go to another state, but they should probably work with Hillsborough county instead of Pinellas county.
There is no way that the Rays are taking this stance without that they have feelers out there for either a close move across the bay or Orlando or something even stronger in the works like Utah or Montreal.
Bullshit, y’all are smoking meth if you think Utah stand any kind of chance. Manfred has been clear he wants two teams in Florida before expansion happens
Salt Lake City and Orlando could not offer enough of a season ticket base. they can barely handle NBA teams because they were the sole major pro club in town.
@@charlesjwin The Jazz are currently averaging 18,000 attendance per game in a twenty thousand seat arena. They have the fourteenth highest average in the league. The new hockey team is also doing just fine filling the arena. Why does everyone say that Utah can't get enough interest when the data says the exact opposite?
@@andrew.three7 Agreed, though if only 1 Texas team goes to the AL Central, it would be Houston IMO. If you wanted to keep the Astros and Rangers in the same division, you could move Cleveland to the AL East, Kansas City and Utah (Rays) to the AL West, and Texas and Houston to the AL Central.
@@desertdog3473 Would need to realign. Rays go to AL Central and Cleveland goes to AL East. Or much more complicated, Rays and Rockies swap leagues, The Rockies switch to AL Central with Salt Lake taking their place in the NL West. Cleveland switches to AL East to make up for the Rockies joining. That is the most logical geographical setup I can come up with right now. Of course MLB doesn't want to do that and there is always the whole argument it hurts rivalries. Salt Lake still isn't too bad of a travel for the AL Central and it makes more sense than taking one of the two Texas teams and making them be in different divisions from each other.
A 2 month long delay in a construction project can in fact be a disaster, especially if it's early on. A short delay can cause long term delays down the road and scheduling issues and all of that costs a lot of money. In the case of a stadium that you need open at a very specific date, it's even worse. You miss the date for opening day, then you're most likely stuck waiting for the next opening day. Time is money.....A LOT of money.
The Rays are not flexible. The Rays view as they get all they want exactly how they want it and when they want it or they are going to move. A decade ago the Rays offer Saint Petersburg $42 million to break the Tropicana lease and leave early. Look at the shift. They went from being willing to pay to leave to being paid to stay.
JP Peterson, who has followed this for 14 years, predicted this two months ago that it would happen like it did officially. The Tampa Bay Rays deal Imploded at the St Petersburg City Council meeting! Again he predicted this 2 months ago the Rays are pulling out of the Stadium deal but still want development rights! What?” For those that said it would be done in St Petersburg, he told you it would never be built. Completely on-brand for the Rays and “your beloved owner!”In which Stu Sternberg is the problem and always has been throughout the whole process. All this was Brodie was a money grab from Stu Sternberg. Peterson explained that very clearly. he never wanted to build a stadium in Saint Petersburg. Peterson also broke a big story yesterday that I think you haven’t reported on enough and that’s the revival of Tampa and Ybor city plan for the new stadium. He interviewed Hillsborough County Commissioner Ken Hagan. Hagan said that he met with Tampa Mayor Jane Castor, and other county officials. There is going to be new ownership. Peterson is confident that from sources he’s talked to. now is that a done deal? No. but you better believe MLB is vetting buyers behind the scenes in Tampa to get a sale done. Stu is going to be forced to sell the team.
Why should the County pay for this or build a new stadium. Clearly people in the area do not attend games. Second worst attendance in 2024, of MLB teams. If the Rays want a new stadium, let them pay for it.
Dam! That’s really sad. I guess all of those bars and restaurants in that area around the Trop are making too much money. Plan on sell outs at every game at Steinbrenner. I hope that it will carry over into the team moving over to Tampa
@brodiebrazil This is called a "motion to reconsider." Any vote taken can be taken again (at the same or next meeting) if a member asks for that privilege. It has no real effect if the vote isn't close - because it would fail if reconsidered - but a one-vote difference means "we may have to come back to this topic." That means there were unsettled issues (perhaps waiting on more info from the insurance company, Rays, MLB or even the County vote). The fact that it was taken again - and failed the second time - means somebody voting "Yes" switched to "No." So, they got some new information that hasn't been fully reported yet. BTW: "Reconsideration" isn't just a St. Pete City Council rule. This is from "Roberts Rules of Order" which is the standard guide for parliamentary process in public and corporate governance.
The Rays should move to the I-75 / I-4 interchange area. That makes east Tampa the midpoint of the fan base and puts Orlando and Ocala markets into a reasonable driving distance (Sarasota too). That will help fix the abysmal attendance in the current location.
I get your point. Does the revenue a pro team brings to the local economy offset that? Serious question. All I know for sure is that I don’t understand the economics involved.
@@susantownsend8397Majority studies done show the benefits are marginal at best, negative at worst case scenarios to the taxpayers and local communities. The only real benefit is the ability to say the community has a major professional sports team.
I get your point/argument but Rays aren't Yankees, Hal Steinbrenner only owns the Yankees and related properties (YES, concessions, merchandising) and even though that's one of the biggest brands in all of sports, it's not like Mets ownership who had 20 billion dollars before he even bought the team. Stu (Rays ownership) only has like 800 mil he was an investment banker. That's why rays trade these players 1-2 years before free agency. St. Pete owns the trop and would own the new stadium, it's an investment/attempt to earn the city money.
It seems like the St Petersburg city council & county council are kicking the Rays out of town if their current domed stadium cannot be fixed. I wonder if the Rays will see if they can get a stadium in Tampa or Orlando.
@@kingmo8789 Tampa may be good for the Rays but Tampa has already decided the Rays aren't good for them. Tampa and the Rays explore the possibility of the Rays moving there several years ago. There was a proposal for a ballpark in Ybor City. It didn't work out.
@@bradkay4794 there was resistance by some group who felt Sternburg wasn't putting up enough money. Plus St. Pete & Pinellas County both threatened to sue if the Rays even continued looking there. The Rays obliged by cutting off talks. Now St. Pete & Pinellas County suddenly decides they don't want the Rays anymore. The Rays asked for help and they refused. So the Rays cut a deal with the Yankees for Steinbrenner Field for 2025 and immediately the Westside of the Bay went cold to them. Point is -- Tampa as an option is not dead. And now that St. Pete/Pinellas has behaved in such bad faith, it opens up the Rays cozying up to Tampa. Orlando is a great option as well. With the billion-dollar expansion fee excluding (and precluding) most cities, I could easily see Pat Williams ponying up a ton of money or possibly buying into the team with Sternburg or without, in order to get the Rays to Orlando. Plus they keep the region, and keep some of their area loyalty, despite being 2 hours the other way.
The Rays can’t catch a break. MLB shouldn’t allow the Rays to relocate permanently based on a natural disaster that they were aware could happen when the Rays first started In 1998. Even if they have to postpone the new stadium they should still figure it out and keep them in Florida.
it's not even close to being the same situation. The A's would have had less issues if their fans actually went to games but they didn't...for years on end.
@@Kalbuir66...54k for a wild card game in 2019 is no support? The team was gutted 2 years later and Tix prices jacked up. The A's would draw well in the O with a new park and decent ownership. Just look at the Giants.
The secret with sports franchises is that the owners only really make money 1) by owning the facility or 2) selling the team. The rest of the time they are money pits. The TV money and the game day revenue may barely - or not even - cover the operating expenses.
They lose money every year but the team prices grow steadily. They're like a classic Ferrari. You're constantly putting money into it, it's fun to own, and the things are a lot scarcer than the rich people who want to own them - so they'll gain value so long as the rich keep getting richer. I mean the number of billionaires goes up every year but the number of MLB teams never changes.
@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 Except football economics aren't anywhere close to Baseball economics. There are much easier ways for MLB franchises to spend their money to have an advantage over poorer teams, and there is no equitable distribution of revenue like in the NFL. Poor teams in the MLB have to work much, much harder to compete with rich teams in MLB compared to the NFL. A Packers ownership model wouldn't be competitive at all in MLB.
From what I understand the city gotta pay for the damages. But I dunno why people keep saying the new stadium is dead when it’s just been delayed because 2 hurricanes hit the area.
It is so ironic 19 years ago the City of New Orleans was hit by hurricane Katrina and that almost sent the saints out of the city and almost led to the demolition of the Superdome but in the end the saints came back and went to the NFC championship game that same season and 3 to 4 seasons later they went from the aint's to super bowl 44 champions 2010
Side Note: This can go one of two ways 1. They resolve everything and at least get the new stadium cuz that will ensure the safety of Tampa Bay's future in MLB baseball if they can get Tropicana up and running then I will be a bonus 2. Everything falls apart and in a reverse UNO card of the hurricane Katrina almost leading to the end of the New Orleans saints but instead leading to a successful comeback to super bowl champions and instead like I said the opposite happening and and the rays end up leaving Tampa Bay if this happens hurricane Milton will be blamed for ruining Tampa Bay baseball animal potentially lead to a riot in the Tampa Bay area Recap scenario 1 will lead to the Tampa Bay's baseball future being saved and scenario 2 leading to hurricane Milton forever being the hurricane that screwed Tampa bay that and the city government of St Petersburg add to the officials in St Petersburg f*** you don't blame the hurricane the hurricane may have started a domino effect but you just make the fire even bigger and it is not getting smaller you told the fans that the new stadium project was ready to be executed and it fell apart somehow you voted to get funding to repair Tropicana Field and you walk back to voting and voted against I need a project falling apart was a little bit of a okay that was a BS but we'll see what happens but then voting to repair Tropicana Field and then taking that back and voting against WTF Let me send this little message to the officials of St Petersburg if the rays stay in Saint Petersburg Tampa Bay area hallelujah if they move you will never be liked by anyone in the St Petersburg area or any former Tampa Bay rays fans your pubic image to the fans they will look at you and they won't see saviors they will see diablos demons you will be seen as villains not heroes you will be f***** literally and figuratively
This goes one of two ways the team stays or leaves order will be restored or riots will break out and the story will the city government cave in and build a new stadium or will they be remembered for being the men and women who let the Tampa Bay rays walk to the next state
They have three options: Stay in Central Florida (which the MLB will prefer), relocate to Utah, or relocate to Montreal. That's it. Nashville and Charlotte are never happening as they would need the buy-in from the Nationals and Braves losing market access in those areas and shovels already in the ground. Alternatively, New Orleans and Oklahoma City would be good choices, too, but those are better saved for expansion franchises.
I doubt the owner is sweating too much over this ordeal. Heck, I bet he's having fun watching all these votes on whether to patch the roof, clean the stadium, build new stadium, etc. Really all Rays owner Sternberg cares about is who will pay him the most for his asset, the Rays. Stu is probably open to selling the team OR moving the team OR even staying in St. Pete. Trust me, Stu Sternberg has a number in his head and whoever offers him that number(or more) will get the deal done.
I mean this is not the Oakland issues Brodie. The rays need a stadium. They literally don’t have one. No one is fixing up the old ballpark. If they move to Montreal so be it give the metro area the coyotes deal 5 years to build a stadium a get an expansion team with the rays history.
Mind you Brodie, if they do relocate out of state, they still probably need the owner to pay a moving fee I believe unless they waive it. The moving fees are the same amount for developing the new stadium itself minus the whole original gas plant redevelopment. Stu paying for a moving fee?? I doubt it.
The Rays needed to relocate no matter what because Tropicana was not in a viable location for an MLB stadium. This is PURELY a money issue and maybe a land issue with Tampa because the Rays want as much money as possible covered for them to take the least financial hit as possible to make more money as soon as possible. If they can get that money from somewhere else, then they will go where the immediate money is because that is the game. Long-term consequences be darned.
The convergence with the disaster that is the A’s is disturbing. At least the Rays have a hurricane as an excuse. You can kind of tell that owners don’t really only want to partner if they get a big handout.
First a domed stadium managed properly is used the entire year and represents a much better community asset then a single use open stadium. Second the current deal has the Rays paying all overages. So each delayed vote costs the team more. Inflation is a thing. Lost revenue is a thing.
At this point they should just look at using AAA stadiums all ofer the country to fill the dates for both the A's and Rays. Make road trips easier for teams like the Mariners, have the Rays play some home games in Utah or Albuquerque or Omaha to help with the travel problem. Have the A's Barnstorm in Indy, Nashville, or Montreal (once the roof is fixed). It would be a way better use of resources and a great way to bring MLB to places that don't normally get it.
If the fan base loses this team it's because they did not support it. Year after year of near-bottom of the league attendance does not send a clear message that you want to keep your team. It also costs that team 100s of millions of dollars in revenue over those years. Expecting that team to be happy with repairing their stadium after a natural disaster using their depleted coffers due to your lack of support is simply unrealistic. Top that off with a bunch of political jerks pushing the Rays around because they feel like they need to bad mouth them as a negotiating tactic and anyone would be furious. The Rays deserve to be in a city that where the fans will come to the games and spend the money needed to build a successful franchise. It also might be nice to have a local government that works with you, not against you. The Florida Gulf Coast had it's chance and they blew it. It's time to move on.
Currently, the only stadiums without a MLB team and seating above 15,000 are in Omaha, Montreal, San Juan, and Monterrey. I highly doubt that MLB will move to San Juan or Monterrey, but Omaha and Montreal could present themselves as temporary homes for the Rays. I would love for them to move to Montreal (great market), but favor SLC. They have a better financial situation on their side. I think expansion must have been on the table for 2030 once the Athletics had moved and the Rays had figured out their new stadium, but this throws a wrench into the whole thing. Also, never trust a commissioner's words on relocation/expansion, the Yotes situation proves this point.
Based on the 2023 average ticket price and attendance, and Steinbrenner field capacity, the Ray could host 486,000 fewer fans and lose about $13-14 million in ticket revenue alone. That doesn’t include lost revenue from merchandise and concessions of the 6,000 fans that can’t come, lost revenue from luxury suites, and other sources. The Rays may want to consider helping out on the Tropicana Field repairs just to keep from losing too much money between now and a new stadium deal. Playing Tampa and St. Pete off each other is the best way to stay in Tampa Bay. Potential relocation pushes the stadium plans back at least two years to find a location and funding.
@@ModMokkaMattiSuns kicked the Coyotes out of stadium. The ownership group of the arena kicked Coyotes out and had to play at a college arena the Sun Devils arena and couldn't build a new stadium and get a deal done in Arizona and lost the team to Utah
@@charlesjwin SLC has the money in place right now for a fully funded new stadium and a nice park (Smith's) to play at while the new ballpark is being built - they can take the team whenever MLB wants them to. Let us know when Nashville, Charlotte, or Portland can say the same. Also, it's no just population size. it's fan interest in the team and franchise stability with deep-pocketed owners that's more important.
Now that I think about it, this could be a *New Orleans Pelicans* situation. After Katrina trashed New Orleans, the NBA did everything they could to make sure they didn't relocate as they didn't want to move a team from a disaster ravaged area. MLB would probably want to "save face" too by making sure Tampa doesn't relocate. The owners are going to have to raise ticket prices by say, $2 and donate that extra money to get a new stadium privately built in Tampa itself.
Don't the Rays have the same problem with the Ybor City proposal - Tampa / Hillsborough County not willing to use much if any public funds to help pay for it...? If they were, I bet Sternberg and Manfred would have announced the move immediately.
I have a back up plan, lease Steinbrenner to the rays long term and maybe even eventually have the rays buy and renovate there. Only the tarpons would need to be relocated and the Yankees can still use it for spring training.
Funny, was confused as I hear they voted for the roof repairs, I didn’t know they walked it back after the 4-3 vote. Insane. Rays are done in Tampa/StPete long term. Owner will move them somewhere
@@deanfirnatine7814 Orlando is the 15th biggest TV market in the country and just approved $400 million for the football stadium. Thanks for telling us you have no idea what you are talking about
What are the Rays going to do now beyond 2025? Relocation? Could Raymond James Stadium have to undergo a renovation to allow baseball to be played there to keep the rays in Tampa?
This is the worst case scenario for a Rays team that had no business being in the wrong side of the Tampa Bay region when they should have been in Tampa all along. The county should think of the residents of that region first, yet by doing so they will send to the MLB world, that the city and ownership are not major league caliber.
While listening to this story, remember this: The principal owner of the Rays is worth about $800 million. The team is valued at about $1.3 Billion. The Rays made about $301 million in revenue last season. MLB made over $11 Billion in revenue last season. Remember all that when we are talking about a local county and city voting on $25 or $50 million in bonds and stuff to give to the Rays.
@@Dept246 Oh, I understand that. I should not have said "to give to the Rays". But, I mean, the Rays could go through the couches in their offices to find the money to fix it. Yes, they're just tenants, but their whole business revolves around being the stadium and playing. It's just yet another chapter in the very long book titled "taxpayers paying to subsidize wealthy and profitable sports teams".
Which is only a valid argument, if the only events in the building are Rays games. The Trop has hosted WWE, concerts, conventions, Christmas exhibitions...it's not like the building is the sole fiefdom of the Rays, and the building sits empty and unused when the Rays aren't playing. Assume there are 90 home games a year for the Rays, just to use a round number. That's roughly one quarter of a calendar year. So if the Rays aren't in there for 75% of the year, how is it fair to put them 100% on the hook for repairing the building?
City owns the stadium and is legally obligated to repair it as part of their lease. Imagine you rent but the roof flies off and you are expected to fix it.
@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 which is exactly why they don't want to pay for it because it's a waste of money. It's not okay to waste the taxpayers money but it's okay to waste the Ray's money??? Ridiculous notion from an ignorant mind set
St. Petersburg the landlord could have had bought better insurance, but refused to do so concerning repairs. The Rays, the tenants, have been forking out millions over the past twenty years annually for rent never failing to do so. The lease will soon expire, however, the Rays will not be happy paying rent for a stadium without a roof mind you a stadium designed and built without the proper drainage of an outdoor stadium. If I were the Ray I would not be doing any business in that county or city, as they are very poor landlords... Failing to buy proper insurance, failing to repair the roof, while demanding rent.... Do the letter F and O come to mind?
The city of Saint Petersburg owns Tropicana Field, the county commissioners lower the insurance deductible whatever this is on governmental officials not the team. Why should the team have to pay for that ballpark to replay repair it make billionaire pay for
Where will the team relocate to in the future? Perhaps will stay anywhere in the Eastern Time Zone. But isn't the team contractually obligated to remain in Tampa?
Rays President Brian Auld doesn’t see the team leaving Tampa Bay even though it appears their future in St. Petersburg hangs in the balance. “We want to stay in Tampa Bay. It has been our goal from day one. It continues to be our goal,” Auld said.
Welp, not only the new stadium got cancelled but the repair of the existing one too??? Relocation it is then, but where??? Me personally want it to be Orlando or Carolina, maybe even Puerto Rico if we're really going extreme XD XD XD
29th largest TV market that already has two major pro sports franchises and D1 football and hoops, Nashville would be the second most over saturated TV market in the country not to mention no stadium financing.
Maybe the Rays ownership should talk to the mayor of Oakland and see if they could build a baseball stadium at the Howard terminal. Maybe the Rays could get a new stadium and the citizens of Oakland could get a baseball team. Also if they do move there, they could use the coliseum for temporary use. What is your thoughts Brodie
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It's crazy I kmow the attendance isn't great there but I don't get why they voted yes for the roof money then walked it back it's so weird
@brodiebrazil This is called a "motion to reconsider." Any vote taken can be taken again (at the same or next meeting) if a member asks for that privilege. It has no real effect if the vote isn't close - because it would fail if reconsidered - but a one-vote difference means "we may have to come back to this topic." That means there were unsettled issues (perhaps waiting on more info from the insurance company, Rays, MLB or even the County vote). The fact that it was taken again - and failed the second time - means somebody voting "Yes" switched to "No." So, they got some new information that hasn't been fully reported yet.
BTW: "Reconsideration" isn't just a St. Pete City Council rule. This is from "Roberts Rules of Order" which is the standard guide for parliamentary process in public and corporate governance.
I still can't get over this hurricane passed through the Tampa area on the same day the Tropicana in Vegas got imploded and now Tropicana Field is damaged and things aren't looking good!
Both involved the name Tropicana, the name is cursed maybe :(
The curse of Tropicana....... it goes deep!
What do you mean things aren't looking good? This is a great outcome. A decade ago St Pete didn't have council members with the sense to accept 40 million dollars from the Rays to let them leave early.
Omg.. I had not realized both are named Tropicana..
Our lord is sending a clear message that taxpayer funds do not belong in stadiums
The City of St. Petersburg lowered Tropicana Field insurance coverage for wind & flood damage in early 2024, capping coverage at $25 million. That’s why they had to vote on funding $23 million to fix the stadium. It's money in addition to insurance coverage. And even then, they would still require FEMA funds to reach the total estimated cost of repairs. If the City Council approves this money, it would be a tacit admission to their taxpayers that their effort to save $275,000 in annual insurance costs resulted in a $23 million dollar tax bill. Perhaps they’re unwilling to make that admission.
It’s brutal to look at the trop daily.
When the sign got knocked during Helene it was a bad omen but by Helene it was clear it would never be the same. I bicycle by the there every day and feel so bad for the workers.
Brody has slowly become the MLB relocation guy
It’s sad that has to become a thing. Unfortunately the A’s situation opens the door for others
Yeah I'm so sorry Brodie that they did that to.your team honestly i
think and I'm not the only one that it was a major mistake and thar I'm not sure the vegas move is even gonna happen regardless of what they say.
@@brodiebrazil Maybe the Rays should move to Oakland. They do have a stadium, after all.
Not only the MLB relocation guy, but rather, THE location guy (found this channel during the Arizona Coyotes downfall).
@@brodiebrazilagreed! I have been a season ticket holder since 2011 and I'm devastated. The stadium employees have become like my second family. i hope they can come to some sort of agreement and keep baseball in the Tampa area.
It actually makes sense to not repair the Trip. But combined with not approving the bonds, as well as the Rays seeming to hedge against the project, seems to guarantee the Rays are gone
Yep I agree
Salt Lake City here is your chance to LAND a MLB team. Either the Rays owner will SELL or RELOCATE the team very soon... Nashvile here is your chance to LAND a MLB team. Charlotte here is your chance to LAND a MLB team. San Antonio here is your chance to LAND a MLB team... Get with it, this shouldn't take long... Maybe within days...
@@ronclark9724Orlando
@@ronclark9724 I'd say much like the NHL, SLC is the only city that is prepared to take the team whenever MLB wants to grant it to them - confident it will build a state-of-the-art new ballpark fully funded while the team plays at Smith's Ballpark in the interim.
@@ronclark9724 BTW, San Antonio and Austin won't get a team - it will be a hard no from both the Astros and Rangers.
That actually seems like a good decision, why throw more money into that do[o]med stadium.
St. Pete basically saying they don’t want the Rays anymore, it’s wild.
Not that surprising. For most of the Rays time there, they had lousy fan support. I'd been to the Trop for a handful of games over the last couple decades, and I could always walk up and get seats behind the plate or within the arc from 3rd to 1st day of the game for much less than face due to the crappy attendance. St. Pete would have been a terrible decision for the Rays. Every bit as bad as moving there and renting that eyesore of a stadium was way back when.
They don't want it enough.
Thank goodness the Giants didn't move there!
In fairness they voted for it at first, and only went back on it because the Rays don't want a major league facility for some reason.
Stop letting billionaires get away with spending taxpayer dollars unless we get ownership rights!
I agree it's time to reject funding these sports facilities, but what taxpayer wants to own a sports stadium? Nobody in their right mind would want ownership rights in them. It's just a bigger maintenance money pit than owning a house.
I honestly think the city doesn't want the Ray's there at all
Mayor Ken Welch has been on record to say that he had family roots in that area of st Pete, and was optimistic for the redevelopment of it.
they mad at Rays move ot Tampa for one season due to roof damage..
The city does want the Rays there. They just have much bigger priorities than stadium funding
@@Mattswfc14Is that why nobody ever shows up to their games, including those piss-poor “crowds” for playoff games in 2023? 😂
Some politicians want the Rays in St Pete because I don't want their legacy associated with the Rays leaving. Fortunately there are fewer of those then there were a decade ago when the city declined an offer a 40 million dollars from the Rays for the right to break the Tropicana lease and leave
Utah is starting to look a lot more attractive. Salt Lake City has about $1 billion in taxpayer money for a stadium and a dig ready location, plus an ownership group ready to front the rest of the dough. Hmmmm.
they can't sell enough MLB season tickets with that population base after 40 basketball and 40 hockey dates each year.
@@charlesjwinbaseball season is in the summer. They don’t have to compete against the Jazz and the Hockey club. Sure they barely over lap but not enough to make a difference. Utah loves sports and wants teams to come. If you build it, they will come.
Salt Lake Bee's average attendance is 6,300. They are building a new stadium in the south valley . Salt Lake has a long baseball history. They have government support at all levels for MLB.
Not happening.
and not enough people within a thousand square miles to pay for tickets .... so not gonna happen.
Repairing the Trop makes zero sense at this point. The stadium hasn’t made sense since its first proposal if you understand the area where they placed it. Also a relocation fee would cost the team more than just building a new stadium. So, in that light, the MLB and the team need to figure some things out. Find a way to build a stadium closer to a fan base and forget Tropicana. Use Steinbrenner Field in the interim. Politics will screw this up, though.
Amen and Amen .. St. Pete never should have been the home of a major franchise. I’m ok if they go to another state, but they should probably work with Hillsborough county instead of Pinellas county.
There is no way that the Rays are taking this stance without that they have feelers out there for either a close move across the bay or Orlando or something even stronger in the works like Utah or Montreal.
I’d have to agree. It’s a very strong arm.
Bullshit, y’all are smoking meth if you think Utah stand any kind of chance. Manfred has been clear he wants two teams in Florida before expansion happens
Salt Lake City and Orlando could not offer enough of a season ticket base. they can barely handle NBA teams because they were the sole major pro club in town.
@@charlesjwin The Jazz are currently averaging 18,000 attendance per game in a twenty thousand seat arena. They have the fourteenth highest average in the league. The new hockey team is also doing just fine filling the arena. Why does everyone say that Utah can't get enough interest when the data says the exact opposite?
I want MLB in UT more than any other sport. I'd buy into a partial season ticket plan.
Sounds like buyer's remorse here by St Pete / Pinellas. The Hurricane and damage to the Trop has been their blessing.
Salt Lake City has 900 Million ready to go.
For real, right? Salt Lake City may have to be tapped into, even though I'm sure the D-Backs and the Rockies may have something to say about that
Not happening, team in the AL East isn't going to Utah😂 Charlotte or Nashville
@@desertdog3473 realignment in the AL could potentially move Texas to the Central, Rays/Utah to West, and Guardians to East to solve the issue.
@@andrew.three7 Agreed, though if only 1 Texas team goes to the AL Central, it would be Houston IMO.
If you wanted to keep the Astros and Rangers in the same division, you could move Cleveland to the AL East, Kansas City and Utah (Rays) to the AL West, and Texas and Houston to the AL Central.
Utah is socialist.
Probably should just work out a deal with the Yankees and play in Steinbrenner Field for 2-3 years until a new place is built in Tampa - not St Pete
It is too small really even for a single season.
@ the situation sucks, no doubt about it but I am not sure what other alternative there is.
The Rays don't draw 5,000 to a game. Play forever at Steinbrenner field.
Move them to Tampa or Orlando and be done with it.
SALT LAKE CITY is calling!!!
Team in the AL EAST isn't going to utah... Would go to Nashville or NC
@@desertdog3473 Would need to realign. Rays go to AL Central and Cleveland goes to AL East. Or much more complicated, Rays and Rockies swap leagues, The Rockies switch to AL Central with Salt Lake taking their place in the NL West. Cleveland switches to AL East to make up for the Rockies joining. That is the most logical geographical setup I can come up with right now. Of course MLB doesn't want to do that and there is always the whole argument it hurts rivalries. Salt Lake still isn't too bad of a travel for the AL Central and it makes more sense than taking one of the two Texas teams and making them be in different divisions from each other.
A 2 month long delay in a construction project can in fact be a disaster, especially if it's early on. A short delay can cause long term delays down the road and scheduling issues and all of that costs a lot of money. In the case of a stadium that you need open at a very specific date, it's even worse. You miss the date for opening day, then you're most likely stuck waiting for the next opening day. Time is money.....A LOT of money.
Three Rivers stadium wasn't ready on opening day. The first game there was in June.
The Rays are not flexible. The Rays view as they get all they want exactly how they want it and when they want it or they are going to move.
A decade ago the Rays offer Saint Petersburg $42 million to break the Tropicana lease and leave early. Look at the shift. They went from being willing to pay to leave to being paid to stay.
JP Peterson, who has followed this for 14 years, predicted this two months ago that it would happen like it did officially. The Tampa Bay Rays deal
Imploded at the St Petersburg City Council meeting! Again he predicted this 2 months ago the Rays are pulling out of the Stadium deal but still want development rights! What?”
For those that said it would be done in St Petersburg, he told you it would never be built. Completely on-brand for the Rays and “your beloved owner!”In which Stu Sternberg is the problem and always has been throughout the whole process.
All this was Brodie was a money grab from Stu Sternberg. Peterson explained that very clearly. he never wanted to build a stadium in Saint Petersburg.
Peterson also broke a big story yesterday that I think you haven’t reported on enough and that’s the revival of Tampa and Ybor city plan for the new stadium. He interviewed Hillsborough County Commissioner Ken Hagan. Hagan said that he met with Tampa Mayor Jane Castor, and other county officials. There is going to be new ownership. Peterson is confident that from sources he’s talked to. now is that a done deal? No. but you better believe MLB is vetting buyers behind the scenes in Tampa to get a sale done. Stu is going to be forced to sell the team.
Why should the County pay for this or build a new stadium. Clearly people in the area do not attend games. Second worst attendance in 2024, of MLB teams. If the Rays want a new stadium, let them pay for it.
Dam! That’s really sad. I guess all of those bars and restaurants in that area around the Trop are making too much money.
Plan on sell outs at every game at Steinbrenner. I hope that it will carry over into the team moving over to Tampa
Selling out an 11000 capacity stadium isn't impressive.
Rays attendance is at the bottom 3 teams in the league, only ahead of Miami and Oakland, all of which are pitiful.
This situation sucks. I'm going to the Marlins now
@brodiebrazil This is called a "motion to reconsider." Any vote taken can be taken again (at the same or next meeting) if a member asks for that privilege. It has no real effect if the vote isn't close - because it would fail if reconsidered - but a one-vote difference means "we may have to come back to this topic." That means there were unsettled issues (perhaps waiting on more info from the insurance company, Rays, MLB or even the County vote). The fact that it was taken again - and failed the second time - means somebody voting "Yes" switched to "No." So, they got some new information that hasn't been fully reported yet.
BTW: "Reconsideration" isn't just a St. Pete City Council rule. This is from "Roberts Rules of Order" which is the standard guide for parliamentary process in public and corporate governance.
The Rays should move to the I-75 / I-4 interchange area. That makes east Tampa the midpoint of the fan base and puts Orlando and Ocala markets into a reasonable driving distance (Sarasota too). That will help fix the abysmal attendance in the current location.
Tennessee needs to make a pitch.
Stop funding sports stadiums with tax payer funds. These are billionaires running the teams.
So all their money going to a stadium that a team that could cost them more money than make?
I get your point. Does the revenue a pro team brings to the local economy offset that? Serious question. All I know for sure is that I don’t understand the economics involved.
@@susantownsend8397 it does not offset the public money spent. These are bad deals for cities.
@@susantownsend8397Majority studies done show the benefits are marginal at best, negative at worst case scenarios to the taxpayers and local communities. The only real benefit is the ability to say the community has a major professional sports team.
I get your point/argument but Rays aren't Yankees, Hal Steinbrenner only owns the Yankees and related properties (YES, concessions, merchandising) and even though that's one of the biggest brands in all of sports, it's not like Mets ownership who had 20 billion dollars before he even bought the team. Stu (Rays ownership) only has like 800 mil he was an investment banker. That's why rays trade these players 1-2 years before free agency. St. Pete owns the trop and would own the new stadium, it's an investment/attempt to earn the city money.
You should make a video on what Hillsbourough commissioner said on the JP Peterson show on Wednesday - pretty interesting
Jp Peterson is the only guy I trust at this point
@ the interview was pretty intriguing
It seems like the St Petersburg city council & county council are kicking the Rays out of town if their current domed stadium cannot be fixed. I wonder if the Rays will see if they can get a stadium in Tampa or Orlando.
They already tried Tampa. You apparently have only become recently interested in this issue.
@bradkay4794 moving to Tampa is the best situation for the Rays. Orlando is the Las Vegas of the east coast and who in Orlando cares about Baseball?
@@kingmo8789more like Phoenix of the east coast, Atlantic City or Atlanta is more like Las Vegas.
@@kingmo8789 Tampa may be good for the Rays but Tampa has already decided the Rays aren't good for them. Tampa and the Rays explore the possibility of the Rays moving there several years ago. There was a proposal for a ballpark in Ybor City. It didn't work out.
@@bradkay4794 there was resistance by some group who felt Sternburg wasn't putting up enough money. Plus St. Pete & Pinellas County both threatened to sue if the Rays even continued looking there. The Rays obliged by cutting off talks. Now St. Pete & Pinellas County suddenly decides they don't want the Rays anymore. The Rays asked for help and they refused. So the Rays cut a deal with the Yankees for Steinbrenner Field for 2025 and immediately the Westside of the Bay went cold to them. Point is -- Tampa as an option is not dead. And now that St. Pete/Pinellas has behaved in such bad faith, it opens up the Rays cozying up to Tampa. Orlando is a great option as well. With the billion-dollar expansion fee excluding (and precluding) most cities, I could easily see Pat Williams ponying up a ton of money or possibly buying into the team with Sternburg or without, in order to get the Rays to Orlando. Plus they keep the region, and keep some of their area loyalty, despite being 2 hours the other way.
The Rays can’t catch a break. MLB shouldn’t allow the Rays to relocate permanently based on a natural disaster that they were aware could happen when the Rays first started In 1998. Even if they have to postpone the new stadium they should still figure it out and keep them in Florida.
Manfred lets them stay in Tampa while he forced the A’s out of Oakland. I am so done with baseball.
it's not even close to being the same situation. The A's would have had less issues if their fans actually went to games but they didn't...for years on end.
@@Kalbuir66Are you pretending people showed up to Rays games? They couldn’t draw 20k to a playoff game
@@troyhoffman6012 with very good winning teams for HALF of their existence from 2008-present.
@@Kalbuir66...54k for a wild card game in 2019 is no support? The team was gutted 2 years later and Tix prices jacked up. The A's would draw well in the O with a new park and decent ownership. Just look at the Giants.
Impoverished stadium, fanbase that didn't always turn out (tho usually better than the Rays). A's needed to leave
Salt Lake City!!! We've poached struggling pro teams before, and we are not afraid to poach again!
The secret with sports franchises is that the owners only really make money 1) by owning the facility or 2) selling the team. The rest of the time they are money pits. The TV money and the game day revenue may barely - or not even - cover the operating expenses.
Once again, the Green Bay Packers ownership model is the way to go.
Only the top "brands" of professional sports leagues actually make money, and subsidize their opponents and the league to maintain as going concerns
They lose money every year but the team prices grow steadily. They're like a classic Ferrari. You're constantly putting money into it, it's fun to own, and the things are a lot scarcer than the rich people who want to own them - so they'll gain value so long as the rich keep getting richer. I mean the number of billionaires goes up every year but the number of MLB teams never changes.
@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 Except football economics aren't anywhere close to Baseball economics. There are much easier ways for MLB franchises to spend their money to have an advantage over poorer teams, and there is no equitable distribution of revenue like in the NFL. Poor teams in the MLB have to work much, much harder to compete with rich teams in MLB compared to the NFL.
A Packers ownership model wouldn't be competitive at all in MLB.
They need to get a new arena in Orlando at this point
Why does a baseball park need a roof?
They want to move to Tampa. It’s no other way to slice it.
I thought I had read that the city was contractually obligated to fix the roof. If that's true, what's up with all the voting?
What a mess with the White Sox, Rays, and A's.
Royals are next
Under no circumstances should the White Sox leave Chicago. They've been there for 124 years!
Let's not forget the DBacks either
MLB is very sick right now. It might be terminal.
@@acelm8437 white sox could leave and nobody would miss them.... the Cubs rule Chicago!
Was simply waiting for this one to drop
From what I understand the city gotta pay for the damages. But I dunno why people keep saying the new stadium is dead when it’s just been delayed because 2 hurricanes hit the area.
Its definitely location for attendance because when the Raptors played the covid season at Amalie Arena they was getting lots of fans
It is so ironic 19 years ago the City of New Orleans was hit by hurricane Katrina and that almost sent the saints out of the city and almost led to the demolition of the Superdome but in the end the saints came back and went to the NFC championship game that same season and 3 to 4 seasons later they went from the aint's to super bowl 44 champions 2010
Side Note: This can go one of two ways
1. They resolve everything and at least get the new stadium cuz that will ensure the safety of Tampa Bay's future in MLB baseball if they can get Tropicana up and running then I will be a bonus
2. Everything falls apart and in a reverse UNO card of the hurricane Katrina almost leading to the end of the New Orleans saints but instead leading to a successful comeback to super bowl champions and instead like I said the opposite happening and and the rays end up leaving Tampa Bay if this happens hurricane Milton will be blamed for ruining Tampa Bay baseball animal potentially lead to a riot in the Tampa Bay area
Recap scenario 1 will lead to the Tampa Bay's baseball future being saved and scenario 2 leading to hurricane Milton forever being the hurricane that screwed Tampa bay that and the city government of St Petersburg add to the officials in St Petersburg f*** you don't blame the hurricane the hurricane may have started a domino effect but you just make the fire even bigger and it is not getting smaller you told the fans that the new stadium project was ready to be executed and it fell apart somehow you voted to get funding to repair Tropicana Field and you walk back to voting and voted against I need a project falling apart was a little bit of a okay that was a BS but we'll see what happens but then voting to repair Tropicana Field and then taking that back and voting against WTF
Let me send this little message to the officials of St Petersburg if the rays stay in Saint Petersburg Tampa Bay area hallelujah if they move you will never be liked by anyone in the St Petersburg area or any former Tampa Bay rays fans your pubic image to the fans they will look at you and they won't see saviors they will see diablos demons you will be seen as villains not heroes you will be f***** literally and figuratively
This goes one of two ways the team stays or leaves order will be restored or riots will break out and the story will the city government cave in and build a new stadium or will they be remembered for being the men and women who let the Tampa Bay rays walk to the next state
They’ll play one year at Steinbrenner and will be relocating definitely.
Shave Brodie !!
Ran out of time for that 😬
@@brodiebrazilGrow a Beard
Bearded Brodie is best Brodie
I miss long-haired Brodie from during the pandemic. It suited him well.
Rays have numerous relocation options ahead. Salt Lake, Nashville, and Charlotte as the top 3 candidates
No Austin huh?
They have three options: Stay in Central Florida (which the MLB will prefer), relocate to Utah, or relocate to Montreal. That's it. Nashville and Charlotte are never happening as they would need the buy-in from the Nationals and Braves losing market access in those areas and shovels already in the ground. Alternatively, New Orleans and Oklahoma City would be good choices, too, but those are better saved for expansion franchises.
What if they have a natural grass field with a pitch in the outfield? Keep the dome un-repaired.
If no stadium problems with drainage, can it work?
I doubt the owner is sweating too much over this ordeal. Heck, I bet he's having fun watching all these votes on whether to patch the roof, clean the stadium, build new stadium, etc.
Really all Rays owner Sternberg cares about is who will pay him the most for his asset, the Rays. Stu is probably open to selling the team OR moving the team OR even staying in St. Pete.
Trust me, Stu Sternberg has a number in his head and whoever offers him that number(or more) will get the deal done.
‘Maybe insurance will pay for it.’ What’s the point of paying for insurance if they have the option to fulfill their obligations or not?
I mean this is not the Oakland issues Brodie. The rays need a stadium. They literally don’t have one. No one is fixing up the old ballpark. If they move to Montreal so be it give the metro area the coyotes deal 5 years to build a stadium a get an expansion team with the rays history.
I’m thinking this is the route things are going. We get rid of our owner which Is a blessing in disguise
I think the Rays don't want to pay for cost over runs even though they agreed to and are now trying to make a new deal.
Mind you Brodie, if they do relocate out of state, they still probably need the owner to pay a moving fee I believe unless they waive it. The moving fees are the same amount for developing the new stadium itself minus the whole original gas plant redevelopment. Stu paying for a moving fee?? I doubt it.
The Rays needed to relocate no matter what because Tropicana was not in a viable location for an MLB stadium. This is PURELY a money issue and maybe a land issue with Tampa because the Rays want as much money as possible covered for them to take the least financial hit as possible to make more money as soon as possible. If they can get that money from somewhere else, then they will go where the immediate money is because that is the game. Long-term consequences be darned.
Snake Manfred puts out a disingenuous snake statement to gaslight everyone, what a shocker.
Taxpayers are fed up with giving money to the rich elites in this country for projects like this. I applaud the voters who said "NO".
The Rays need to move to Tampa!
This whole time period will be an insane movie in a few years
The convergence with the disaster that is the A’s is disturbing. At least the Rays have a hurricane as an excuse. You can kind of tell that owners don’t really only want to partner if they get a big handout.
Rays wanted out and are taking advantage of the the situation
My brother lives in the Tampa area and i told him that day if St Pete gets hit better watch out that roof doesn't get damaged at the Trop.
Well city wasn’t hit directly for over 100-years so it was a matter of time.
@@cpl.m9645 it’s funny you say that because when my brother told me about that I said the sane thing
First a domed stadium managed properly is used the entire year and represents a much better community asset then a single use open stadium. Second the current deal has the Rays paying all overages. So each delayed vote costs the team more. Inflation is a thing. Lost revenue is a thing.
Orlando Rays. Close enough, maybe they can build an open-air ballpark there.
I bet the Rays owner is playing EVERYBODY against each other.
I d go to more Rays games at Steinbrenner field. The traffic to go to St Pete particularly downtown St Pete where Tropicana was, just was not worth it
At this point they should just look at using AAA stadiums all ofer the country to fill the dates for both the A's and Rays. Make road trips easier for teams like the Mariners, have the Rays play some home games in Utah or Albuquerque or Omaha to help with the travel problem. Have the A's Barnstorm in Indy, Nashville, or Montreal (once the roof is fixed). It would be a way better use of resources and a great way to bring MLB to places that don't normally get it.
Wonder if they try Clearwater
Hello Utah!!
If the fan base loses this team it's because they did not support it. Year after year of near-bottom of the league attendance does not send a clear message that you want to keep your team. It also costs that team 100s of millions of dollars in revenue over those years. Expecting that team to be happy with repairing their stadium after a natural disaster using their depleted coffers due to your lack of support is simply unrealistic. Top that off with a bunch of political jerks pushing the Rays around because they feel like they need to bad mouth them as a negotiating tactic and anyone would be furious. The Rays deserve to be in a city that where the fans will come to the games and spend the money needed to build a successful franchise. It also might be nice to have a local government that works with you, not against you. The Florida Gulf Coast had it's chance and they blew it. It's time to move on.
Two council members changed their vote. It was 5 to 2:.
Currently, the only stadiums without a MLB team and seating above 15,000 are in Omaha, Montreal, San Juan, and Monterrey. I highly doubt that MLB will move to San Juan or Monterrey, but Omaha and Montreal could present themselves as temporary homes for the Rays. I would love for them to move to Montreal (great market), but favor SLC. They have a better financial situation on their side. I think expansion must have been on the table for 2030 once the Athletics had moved and the Rays had figured out their new stadium, but this throws a wrench into the whole thing. Also, never trust a commissioner's words on relocation/expansion, the Yotes situation proves this point.
Based on the 2023 average ticket price and attendance, and Steinbrenner field capacity, the Ray could host 486,000 fewer fans and lose about $13-14 million in ticket revenue alone. That doesn’t include lost revenue from merchandise and concessions of the 6,000 fans that can’t come, lost revenue from luxury suites, and other sources. The Rays may want to consider helping out on the Tropicana Field repairs just to keep from losing too much money between now and a new stadium deal.
Playing Tampa and St. Pete off each other is the best way to stay in Tampa Bay. Potential relocation pushes the stadium plans back at least two years to find a location and funding.
Utah is buying, and public money is still there, just saying...
Nah, Nashville and Charlotte is 4 times the market share and baseball more than any other sport is reliant on local TV revenue.
Is baseball even permitted in Utah? Still don't understand how the Coyotes 🏒 wound up there.
Portland, Charlotte and Nashville each offer better overall weather & larger population bases than Salt Lake City.
@@ModMokkaMattiSuns kicked the Coyotes out of stadium. The ownership group of the arena kicked Coyotes out and had to play at a college arena the Sun Devils arena and couldn't build a new stadium and get a deal done in Arizona and lost the team to Utah
@@charlesjwin SLC has the money in place right now for a fully funded new stadium and a nice park (Smith's) to play at while the new ballpark is being built - they can take the team whenever MLB wants them to. Let us know when Nashville, Charlotte, or Portland can say the same. Also, it's no just population size. it's fan interest in the team and franchise stability with deep-pocketed owners that's more important.
Time for the Rays to move out of Florida.
Time to contract the Rays and the Marlins.
Time for serious relocation talk for this team
Now that I think about it, this could be a *New Orleans Pelicans* situation. After Katrina trashed New Orleans, the NBA did everything they could to make sure they didn't relocate as they didn't want to move a team from a disaster ravaged area.
MLB would probably want to "save face" too by making sure Tampa doesn't relocate. The owners are going to have to raise ticket prices by say, $2 and donate that extra money to get a new stadium privately built in Tampa itself.
Oh!
Don't the Rays have the same problem with the Ybor City proposal - Tampa / Hillsborough County not willing to use much if any public funds to help pay for it...? If they were, I bet Sternberg and Manfred would have announced the move immediately.
I have a back up plan, lease Steinbrenner to the rays long term and maybe even eventually have the rays buy and renovate there. Only the tarpons would need to be relocated and the Yankees can still use it for spring training.
Nobody wants to build a ballpark for a single A team while the league average below 1,000 per game
The Rays and Yankees could share it for Spring Training. Several teams in both the Grapefruit and Cactus Leagues share facilities.
You'd need to knock down the stadium and there might not be enough land there to build a new one.
Once the rainy season gets here in June you will find out why open air baseball in Tampa will never work.
@@FloridaCatholicGuy key word renovate things could be done
Nashville, Orlando or NC
Finally the experiment in Tampa is over. They were a terrible fanbase for o begin with. 14 years of success and still couldn’t get 3 million a season
Funny, was confused as I hear they voted for the roof repairs, I didn’t know they walked it back after the 4-3 vote. Insane. Rays are done in Tampa/StPete long term. Owner will move them somewhere
MLB has got to figure this out . Can you believe there’s TWO teams in total limbo. TWO
If the city isn’t getting the value and the fans don’t see the value. Just move the team.
If Montreal would ever get their Sh*t together on a Ball Park this would all have been fixed by now.
Rays welcome to Orlando city
No stadium financing and you would be the smallest TV market with two major sports franchises.
@@deanfirnatine7814 Orlando is the 15th biggest TV market in the country and just approved $400 million for the football stadium. Thanks for telling us you have no idea what you are talking about
@@americandeathtrip6881 Does Orlando have a fully funded ballpark project ready to go like SLC?
That’s where I see the Rays going. Orlando is the perfect spot and when they arrive, hope they bring back the Devil Rays logo and colors.
Honestly probably for the best. Why stay in a place hostile towards you. On the other end stop asking the taxpayers to fund stadiums
What are the Rays going to do now beyond 2025? Relocation? Could Raymond James Stadium have to undergo a renovation to allow baseball to be played there to keep the rays in Tampa?
This is the worst case scenario for a Rays team that had no business being in the wrong side of the Tampa Bay region when they should have been in Tampa all along. The county should think of the residents of that region first, yet by doing so they will send to the MLB world, that the city and ownership are not major league caliber.
While listening to this story, remember this: The principal owner of the Rays is worth about $800 million. The team is valued at about $1.3 Billion. The Rays made about $301 million in revenue last season. MLB made over $11 Billion in revenue last season. Remember all that when we are talking about a local county and city voting on $25 or $50 million in bonds and stuff to give to the Rays.
Tropicana Field is owned by the City of St. Petersburg. The Rays are only a tenant. It’s up to the landlord to fix the roof.
Owner could offer to pay for the new roof. That's chump change for him.
@@Dept246 Oh, I understand that. I should not have said "to give to the Rays". But, I mean, the Rays could go through the couches in their offices to find the money to fix it. Yes, they're just tenants, but their whole business revolves around being the stadium and playing. It's just yet another chapter in the very long book titled "taxpayers paying to subsidize wealthy and profitable sports teams".
Which is only a valid argument, if the only events in the building are Rays games.
The Trop has hosted WWE, concerts, conventions, Christmas exhibitions...it's not like the building is the sole fiefdom of the Rays, and the building sits empty and unused when the Rays aren't playing.
Assume there are 90 home games a year for the Rays, just to use a round number. That's roughly one quarter of a calendar year.
So if the Rays aren't in there for 75% of the year, how is it fair to put them 100% on the hook for repairing the building?
I see a team called the Oakland Rays in our future. Come to think of it, it has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
If the Rays want Tropicana Field repaired, all they have to do is pay for the repairs. The Taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook.
Especially when that stadium is going to get torn down anyway.
City owns the stadium and is legally obligated to repair it as part of their lease. Imagine you rent but the roof flies off and you are expected to fix it.
@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 which is exactly why they don't want to pay for it because it's a waste of money. It's not okay to waste the taxpayers money but it's okay to waste the Ray's money??? Ridiculous notion from an ignorant mind set
St. Petersburg the landlord could have had bought better insurance, but refused to do so concerning repairs. The Rays, the tenants, have been forking out millions over the past twenty years annually for rent never failing to do so. The lease will soon expire, however, the Rays will not be happy paying rent for a stadium without a roof mind you a stadium designed and built without the proper drainage of an outdoor stadium. If I were the Ray I would not be doing any business in that county or city, as they are very poor landlords... Failing to buy proper insurance, failing to repair the roof, while demanding rent.... Do the letter F and O come to mind?
Landlord pays for repairs to the roof not the tenant. St. Petersburg’s insurance on damages includes a $22 million deductible. Ouch
Doesn’t Tropicana Field have to be fixed by the county as per the lease or the Rays can just walk away from the ballpark lease
The city of Saint Petersburg owns Tropicana Field, the county commissioners lower the insurance deductible whatever this is on governmental officials not the team. Why should the team have to pay for that ballpark to replay repair it make billionaire pay for
Where will the team relocate to in the future? Perhaps will stay anywhere in the Eastern Time Zone. But isn't the team contractually obligated to remain in Tampa?
Politicians ruining things as usual
Rays President Brian Auld doesn’t see the team leaving Tampa Bay even though it appears their future in St. Petersburg hangs in the balance.
“We want to stay in Tampa Bay. It has been our goal from day one. It continues to be our goal,” Auld said.
Of course he has to say that. MLB can't let it look like they are going to take another team out of a city AGAIN
Welp, not only the new stadium got cancelled but the repair of the existing one too???
Relocation it is then, but where???
Me personally want it to be Orlando or Carolina, maybe even Puerto Rico if we're really going extreme XD XD XD
Rays to Nashville
or Utah?
Oakland for now
Yes that is the end game.
29th largest TV market that already has two major pro sports franchises and D1 football and hoops, Nashville would be the second most over saturated TV market in the country not to mention no stadium financing.
@ what make a market over saturated hockey and Football are they layed in fall winter. Baseball summer sport
Maybe the Rays ownership should talk to the mayor of Oakland and see if they could build a baseball stadium at the Howard terminal. Maybe the Rays could get a new stadium and the citizens of Oakland could get a baseball team. Also if they do move there, they could use the coliseum for temporary use. What is your thoughts Brodie
Utah will take them