MLB is NOT close to expansion, anymore?
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Major League Baseball last expanded in 1998. For years, commissioner Rob Manfred has maintained the league would not consider expansion until the Oakland Athletics and Tampa Bay Rays resolved their stadium situations.
In September, the A’s played their final game in Oakland, en route to Sacramento next year and eventually Las Vegas. In July, the Rays and their home city of St. Petersburg, Fla., agreed to build a new ballpark there that would open in 2028.
In the wake of Hurricane Milton, which rendered the Rays’ current home of Tropicana Field unplayable for the 2025 season, city and county officials have focused on the area’s recovery from the hurricane. They also have delayed votes on bond financing for the proposed ballpark, and newly elected officials have raised second thoughts on the project.
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Stuart Sternberg, the Rays’ owner, shot back Saturday in the Tampa Bay Times. Moving the Rays out of town entirely, he said, “is not an unlikely conclusion.”
If Sternberg follows through on his threat, the cities waiting for an MLB expansion process instead could scramble to lure the Rays.
Montreal previously considered the Rays’ concept of splitting the season between Florida and Canada. Nashville, Charlotte and Raleigh have expressed interest in expansion, and those cities would allow the Rays to remain in the same geographical region.
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I think expansion is a bad idea anyway. It dilutes the talent pool and the fan bases. There's already too many teams that have low attendance. If MLB thinks cities like Vegas, Nashville, etc are worthy of having a team relocation is a better option. The Rays, White Sox and even the Marlins amongst other teams just don't get high enough attendance to be viable MLB cities. Move those teams to the new cities before they dilute the fan base by adding more teams that will just lower average attendance even more. Expansion should never take place until every team is close to selling out virtually every game. Expansion would be hurting the long term outlook of existing MLB teams for a short term cash influx. Bad idea.
The city is 50% at fault and Governor Newsom gets the rest. The Athletics wanted to buy the Coliseum. The city said No. Meanwhile, Newsom has turned California into a Third World hellhole. I don't blame the Athletics for leaving.
They use that phrase expansion because of what they did in Oakland and they lost real fans that still cared about the game when they did that to Oakland.
@@MrSpeedracer510 They use the term "expansion" to specifically mean adding new MLB teams rather than relocating them. If Oakland is still a viable MLB city then they should just relocate a current MLB team in a low attendance city to Oakland (or Nashville or Las Vegas or SLC or Portland or Montreal or wherever). There's no reason to expand when there are already other teams with such low attendance that they should just be moved to another city anyway. Especially considering expansion requires expansion drafts. No one wants that. Expansion drafts are terrible for the teams and the players. Teams who drafted, signed and developed good players just have those players poached from them in an "expansion draft." Those players who want to stay with their current team aren't allowed to and are forced to go to first year expansion teams which are historically terrible. No expansion team is good in its first year and usually not for many years after that. For example: until the Chicago White Sox this year the loss record was held by the first year expansion team New York Mets. The Mets lost 120 games after their expansion draft. No player wants to be forced to go to a team like that. They want to stay with the team they signed with. No team wants to be forced to give away their players to a team like that or any team. No team wants to lose territory and attendance to any team either. Attendance isn't healthy enough for MLB to expand. They can just avoid all that headache by relocating a team that already has low attendance instead.
@@matthew01234 I know what expansion means what I meant was they were throwing that around like Oakland will be the first one on the list for an expansion team, but we don’t want an expansion team. We want our team which is the Oakland Athletics and will be always the Oakland Athletics. John Fisher never had any intentions of keeping the team in Oakland that’s why he got the team in the first place because that was their pitch to MLB that they wanted to get out of Oakland because it’s not really a place that people want to go or see and yes, our leadership in Oakland have failed us and Alameda district attorney failed us. Our governor of California has failed us, but that’s a whole different story. They shouldn’t have never left because to be honest our fans in Oakland can compete against any other franchise fans, any day of the week.
Manfred hasa been a disaster. Oakland situation gave baseball a black eye and now there will be two teams playing in non major league stadiums. Makes the whole league look cheap and weak.
It makes
M.L.B. look unstable
& like it is starting to struggle financially
T.V revenue wise, like interest is on a rapid decline.
I look at the situation
M.L.B. finds it's self in
though European eyes.
Big fan of
North American sports
but honestly, M.L.B &
The N.H.L give out
a negative image
of where both leagues are heading.
On the other hand
N.F.L & N.B.A. look like they know where they are going as leagues.
It will be interesting to see where college sports go in the future direction wise.
M.L.S is expanding rapidly, which suggests
financial problems league wise..
@@alanfox691 i disagree with the statement of MLS. I think it’s historically shown it has the best record when comes to finical stability.
@@alanfox691as for MLS, I don’t think the league will have too many financial issues like back in the day because there’s so many limits to spending. MLS is also a single entity structured league, meaning that the league has more control over all the teams since each club is actually a stake in the overall league.
I don't like Manfred but he has nothing to due with John Fischer being cheap and a asshole and as for the Rays there's nothing he can do about a natural disaster
You nailed it. There lying to everyone about how good they are doing.
Rays should say goodbye to St. Pete. St. Pete should say goodbye to MLB. A golden opportunity to make a clean break from an agreement that neither side is crazy about.
Tampa Bay doesn't care about baseball. I'm sorry but they don't. Didn't put in the effort to go to games
Obviously you don't get it if you live in the 813 you're either going to watch the Tampa Bay Lightning or going to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers game have they built in Hillsborough County you don't have a clue what you're saying @@alesitercrimson24
@alesitercrimson24 did they play in Pinellas County not Hillsborough County Hillsborough County is the main part of Tampa Bay two that play in Hillsborough County the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers they both have one title and championship
@@obibaddad1991 do you mean move to Tampa or completely leave the marketplace of Tampa Bay?
@reesejabs1895 that guy obviously doesn't care but for people like the local Hillsborough County has very small roads very hard to get around so what you're trying to go in Pinellas County a good time to your destination
How can you expand when you don't even have the teams you have to be stable.
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MLB needs to get a salary cap linked to revenues
This is the new reality. Revenue is going down now. Less people are going to games due to inflation, and sports network tv revenue is going away. There is no longer a sustainable way for players to continue getting the absurd contracts of the past decade. MLB needs to go to the NHL model. I see contraction as a higher probability than expansion at this point. The sport itself is in trouble. Having only 5-6 teams each year that have a realistic chance at winning the World Series is also turning many fans off the sport.
@@WoozyPolarBear 5 or 6 teams each year. Yeah, right. Name next year's group and let's see.
@@danbsports6760 Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, Phillies, Red Sox. I can GUARANTEE that one of those teams wins the 2025 World Series. Good luck if you are a Royals, Mariners, Marlins, Rockies, or Guardians fan.
@WoozyPolarBear thanks for the reply and go tigers. Should be a fun season even if you are right...
the last thing the league needs is more teams no one gives a fuck about
If local TV rights shrink and national TV aren’t as high as they should be; are MLB owners going to pass up on expansion fees that goes only into owners pockets. Expansion fees could replace lost revenue from shrinking tv money.
But that only further shrinks TV money, if you’re becoming more dependent on national TV revenue.
The top 15/30 call all the shots so a regional sports network is not important. That's why NFL has a hard cap, but MLB just kept the Yankees luxury tax traditional structure.
MLB isn't getting a $2bn expansion fee when the Orioles are selling for $1.7bn with a ballpark and part of a tv network. There's also 3-4 teams for sale right now. Both the Nationals and Angels couldnt sell when they were for sale within the last 2 years.
Not much interest in the Twins either so far...
Great take! Manfraud’s tenure as commissioner without question will go down in history as one of the worst, period. It’ll be interesting to see if we ever get teams back in Oakland or Montreal, even more if those proposed location even become a reality. With the A’s to Vegas and possibly the Rays to another one of those cities, will MLB even consider expanding for another 10-15 years?🤔
@@theblackhood4812 Oakland Rays has a good ring to it. Scooby Doo could be the mascot.
What a joke. MLB can't fill the rosters with players that can hit their weight right now! Expand is a crazy thought.
Expansion should not happen until the Tampa Bay/Oakland situations are taken care of plus getting networks for regional and national broadcasts. I think MLB should consider talking to The CW and Scripps Media (Ion Television) as possible new homes for MLB games.
Great analysis. Well presesented.
Expansion comes down to which city can afford to build a stadium. There is a lot of talk of which city is the best, but you have to focus on the location of the stadium and if there is funding to build it. The MLB has to take control of this situation before it gets worse. They are working under an outdated business model.
Oakland will get an expansion team around 2124 at this rate
Nope Fans in Oakland say no need new MLB team there in Oakland in future..
Why would Oakland get a new team if you don't support the current one..
Oakland won’t be around by 2124…they will paved over that decrepit city by then
In the yr 2525...if man is still alive then Oakland will get an expansion team
@ In the year 2525, Oakland as a city won’t be alive 😂
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No expansion without meaningful revenue sharing! New York and L.A, (bless their hearts) are destroying the finances of the entire sport.
Yep, I didn't watch a second of the World Series because I feel those teams have ruined the competitive spirit of the game. I was a die hard baseball fan for the past 30 years since I was a kid, but I've woken up to the fact that the league only caters to two markets now. MLB needs competitive balance, and that comes with a salary cap and floor system like the NHL has. Yankees and Dodgers are spending money to spite themselves in the long term.
MLB reminds me of the movie line from Usual Suspects …..paraphrasing about the devil you don’t know …..big markets dominate ( with the odd minnow thrown a bone sometimes ) . But we all know how this movie ends …… the big boys will almost always win ……therefore the big question is as a fan do I want to invest my time , energy and money for the expected result ?
@@reesejabs1895 I think we’re heading into an era like the 1950s. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next 10 World Series are played by just a handful of teams. Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Phillies, and maybe someone like the Red Sox or Blue Jays. Houston, San Diego, Cleveland can’t compete financially year in and year out.
@@WoozyPolarBear Yankees-Dodgers hadn't happened in 43 years and now people think it's a formality. I remember way back in 2023 when we got Rangers-Diamondbacks and everyone complained about underdogs winning too often.
The real problem is the Pirates, Reds, Rockies, Mariners, White Sox, etc. who haven't seriously tried to win in ages.
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3 billion! Not 2 million:)
The 4 major sports have peaked. It’s too expensive to follow them. Whether it’s tickets, food and beverage, parking, merchandise, cable/online subscriptions, etc.
I expect salaries for mid and lower caliber players to plummet.
Minor league sports and MLS are the future. I can get season tickets to my local AHL team 20 rows up at the blue line for $1000 each seat for the whole season 36 home games plus playoffs and preseason plus so many other benefits like getting to go watch the team in practice and team events with the players, even meet and greets. Meanwhile I go to 1 NFL game and I pay that for 1 game equivalent seat
sports are still the only thing to watch and even more people are watching because of gambling (not saying thats a good thing btw)
They are getting billions in television rights and also streaming rights as well. Teams also make a ton of money in merchandise sales. The Oakland Athletics don’t lose money thanks to revenue sharing and the national tv contract.
By most metrics they're bigger than ever... Especially with the meteoric rise of sports betting.
@@fantasyEXX - MLS being bigger than the others? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
The financial issue is going to lead to an even wider gap between the rich teams and the small market teams. It already feels like some teams are basically a feeder system for the big market teams. I’m not blaming the players here, they’ve got to look out for their own best interests, but it’s frustrating to constantly see the best players go to the same handful of teams.
Time for that Salary Cap.
@@SuperUkcats Salary cap would ruin the sport. Players should be paid what they're worth and you need to stop making excuses for cheap billionaire owners
Maybe the cheap owners should actually invest in their teams? Sorry the Dodgers and Yankees actually want to win
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@@SuperUkcats What
Robert Nutting of the Pirates and John Fisher of the A’s should be thrown out of baseball along with Manfred ..All 3 have destroyed the game pissed off fans and are all incompetent
Pirates should be a successful franchise. Great city and great ballpark. It's a shame
@@alesitercrimson24the owner sucks.
Million? DId you mean Billion?
yep!
I almost went out and picked up a team or two 😂
Expansion? There are not enough quality pitching to go around as it is.
Ridiculous, the pitching is insanely good now.
In 2008, 51 players hit .300 or above. In 2024, only 7 did.
That’s also because the hitters philosiphy has changed, it’s now swing for the fences no matter what, no situational hitting anymore.
Brodie, you left something out of the Tampa equation. The county bond vote, that is critical to the new stadium didn’t happen before the election. I have seen reporting that indicated what *was* likely 5-2 vote in favor of issue the bonds is now speculated at being 4-3 against with the newly elected Pinellas county officials in place. Not approving the bonds will implode the deal.
Generally, I am against relocation, but in the case of the Rays I support it IF they can’t get a stadium built in Tampa. Spending over $1B on a new stadium in virtually the EXACT same location, that was the primary factor for the Rays abysmal attendance figures for its entire history, is the definition of insanity. Since the team settled on St. Pete, I’ve secretly hoped something would happen that would force them to relocate and they would do what the Boston Braves (and a few other teams in MLB history) did, and that is move to the market (Braves ->Milwaukee) of their AAA affiliate. I believe the Rays reborn as the Durham Bulls would put them on solid financial footing. The Raleigh-Durham metro is only slightly smaller in population than charlotte metro and growing faster, as well as being more affluent. DBAP was also designed to be easily expanded to major league capacity. They would, similar to the expos/nats, be able to start play in the greater research triangle market in a decent facility, while simultaneously negotiating and working towards a new, long-term facility and have multiple jurisdictions (wake, durham counties) to work with.
Great insight! What sucks with Florida is everyone there seems to say the same thing and that’s it’s just not much of an MLB state. Losing my A’s to greed and corruption, I don’t want any fanbase to ever have to go thought the heartbreak we’ve had to. Hopefully the St. Pete plan fails and they do end up in Tampa Bay, but with you as a someone who clearly has an investment on the matter my mind is open to seeing how this all plays out.
Just move the bleeping Rays.
No expansion until and unless a replacement for the revenue that came from the regional sports networks(cable TV) is found
ignorant if you haven't figured out the solution to that.
@Lonestarr022 what, pray tell, are the solutions? Since you're the know-it-all
Part of the reason for professional sports losing the fanbase is cable TV, the 50+ dream about the days of OTA games, real "games of the week"... while the 30 and under are looking for free or cheap streaming services
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No public funding for entertainment.
Given what’s just happened to the Rays, it makes sense that things are on pause.
They don’t need to expand with attendance issues…. Fix the salary cap and tv contracts first!
They don’t need expansion when they have multiple teams that need relocation.
😂😂😂😂 multiple lol sure
@ Rays, A’s, and Marlins are 3 off the top of my head that play in markets that don’t work.
Why the Rays are building a new park when they avg 15K per game is absurd. Move the team
And the white sox their lease is up after the 2029 season.
@@caseycieslikowski2929 Marlins have 20 years left on their stadium lease so they are not moving.
I pray every city refuses to subsidize sports stadiums anymore. The teachers and public works projects could use that money a lot more than subsidizing really rich people. The rich people won't even feel a dent in their wallet if they forked over money for a stadium
The Green Bay Packers ownership model needs to be a law.
@StevenWoolf-eb5xy I agree. If you put up public funding you own part of the team
Horrible leadership of the commissioners office has played a hand in all this. Poorly ran relocation with the A’s. And now 2 teams have to play in a minor league stadiums with the rays had no control over Mother Nature and just John fisher being petty to Oakland. Yeah manfred ruined this league
It’s pathetic that they let these teams continue with record low fan attendance and the lack of putting a competitively priced team on the field. both these team should be relocated to owners and a market that would support their franchise.
Oakland fan here. The Bay Area can support two teams. It’s already been proven. The problem with the A’s is that they’ve been the victim of terrible ownership with the exception of the Haas family. And when they sold the team, they were the victim of collusion by the then commissioner Selig. Reggie Jackson’s group offered 25 million more than the group that won out. Selig made sure of it. The lack of “support” was/is because of the product on the field. And when they did develop players into stars, they would soon be traded. It was a vicious cycle. If we had a real commissioner, he would have forced a sale years ago. Fisher is an albatross to the league.
80% of the league can’t financially sustain competitive teams.
I think we’re entering an era like the 1950s. Get used to Yankees vs Dodgers World Series’ with the Mets and few other teams sprinkled in.
For each of the geographic areas he mentioned I believe that there are reasons not to expand there. For a baseball team to be successful it needs a large suburban area and then an outer area of medium size cities with the smaller cities and larger small towns in between. Also, whenever MLB expands there are minor league players suddenly promoted into MLB who would not be at the major league level were it not for expansion. Pitching falls apart when there is an expansion since each of the existing teams suddenly have two to three minor league pitchers on their staffs who would not be there were it not for expansion. 30 is the right number of teams. Expansion will dilute the quality of play throughout MLB.
Sadly, expansion fee money is hard to turn down.
Why would they be focused on expansion? You're going to have 2 teams in 2024 playing in Minor League ballparks and bad attendance in existing markets. They need to focus on that before adding 2 teams in doomed markets like Nashville or Montreal
Being the Twins and possibly White Soxs are up for sale means less buyers for expansion as well.
No more expansion teams please!
If they keep stupid money to players the fans should stop going to games. Those salary’s are killing us the fans to go to games due the cost to our pockets.
Way ahead of you brother. Send a message to these leagues by boycotting. Americans are too stupid to know the power of a boycott, but a boycott definitely works
Brodie, not sure if this was mentioned yet in all the comments, but it appears Pinellas county may not vote for the stadium bonds now, which means the Rays deal is again in jeopardy. MLB at some point may need ti step in with A's and Rays situations, force Fisher to sell like Coyotes situation, and get Rays owners to start looking at relocation.
No need to expand when at least three franchises continue being a blight on the sport and their communities.
Honestly I think we get regional realignment before expansion.
i was pumped for Portland Diamond Project so this is a terrible but sensible update. Thanks Brodie.
Don’t worry I have Portland getting the Angels from Anaheim.
@@Itshadow306 why would they leave LA? They are crap there but they still make money.
Looking at the city,metro populations,media markets and the existing fan bases for each team in the city honestly Portland would probably work better as an MLB market than Vegas would.
@@Lonestarr022 Dodgers are the team in LA. Angels should go to a market that doesn’t have a team, and besides the Mariners and Angels have a rivalry already put it in Portland and we’re set.
The Angels will never be LA’s team they play in Anaheim not LA
1:20 Billion? If expansion fees were $4-7 million, wouldn't there be way more people looking to get an expansion team?
Never underestimate MLB to do something stupid.
This is just ridiculous you have two markets in Nashville & Salt Lake primed and ready to go and yet this joke of a league is finding ways to not grow the league there’s always going to be problems league wide just stop the excuses
Greed isn't always good.
@@yuckyoolGreed is our worst enemy
i don't see stadiums.
They don't need expansion.
MLB needs Nashville and Salt Lake to be threats more than teams. MLB is forever playing the stadium extortion game, so much so that they’re expanding that ploy to the minors.
Do you think mexico city would have to play in some type of pressurized dome to limit altitude effects?
Nobody is addressing the elephant in the room in the form of the economics of baseball where a team like the Yankees have a half a billion dollar payroll, and yet small market teams, such as the Brewers, cannot even pay a quarter of the Yankees payroll. Until that elephant is addressed, MLB should just give the world series trophy to those big spenders and forget about having a regular season. Note, before the strike of 94,' small market teams, such as the Twins were competitive and won world series championships, but since the strike, it has by and large been a big market, big spender winning the world series. There will never, ever be parity in baseball as long as the current economic system is in place.
The players are too greedy.
Most of us are addressing that elephant in the room. It's also the reason that most baseball fans in other markets have been checking out of the sport. Yankees and Dodgers are spending themselves to a point of spiting their face to the overall detriment of the sport.
9:28 Just for fun I vote for the Blue Jays and Marlins logo's being the best in the MLB.
Third? Brewers
If I was in charge of MLB expansion it would be Portland and Montreal. But I feel that Nashville is Shirley a lock for a franchise if they can find funding. I believe Portland would work better than Las Vegas and Salt Lake City. Bigger metro market than both cities as well as Portland is only 3 hours away from Seattle which would create a natural rivalry with the Mariners, something that the team itself as advocated for.
Shirley you can’t be serious and don’t call me Shirley
Surely, sorry
Why isn't Charlotte considered for an MLB team, since the Charlotte metro area is more populous than at least seven metropolitan areas with MLB teams, and the combined population of North and South Carolina is over 16 million. The Carolinas can probably support two teams, with one in Charlotte (on the NC-SC border) and the other in the Raleigh-Durham area (central NC).
Right now, I am feeling bad for the people in the Carolinas, since they have so many people yet no MLB team, while other areas that are considerably less populated have an MLB team.
@ It is possible but MLB is terrible at the top with the commissioner. Living in the Upstate, this is Braves country.
@KittyPurrfect100 Why don't you prefer to have your own team instead of a team over 200 miles away in a different state?
ManFred has been a total pariah for the league ever since his appointment as commissioner. The only way you will financially save the sport is if TV deals are done through Amazon prime and Apple TV. As far as expansion teams are concerned, I would put one in Charlotte, North Carolina and Indianapolis, Indiana. Also, let’s not forget about the pink elephant in the room otherwise known as the two MLB teams that play in Florida, who can barely get enough fans to attend games, especially the Miami Marlins, who I really feel should move to Charlotte and create another MLB team for a different city perhaps Nashville Tennessee
Montreal only works with private money building a baseball-only stadium (but prime sites are disappearing fast), and private money funding the expansion fee. Not enough smokers left to subsidize a stadium like their tobacco taxes did for much of the Olympic Stadium's cost.
Expansion was a stupid idea anyways
Its still crazy to me that Nashville doesn't have an MLB team. Such a natural fit in that city
They are already spending $$$M's to subsidize their NFL team.
Same goes for Portland
Charlotte or Raleigh should have a team. Biggest TV markets nowhere near a MLB city.
I'll throw in Salt Lake City as well.
The current Nashville mayor is 100% against using public money for pro sports. When he was a councilman, he voted against the Titans' new dome stadium that passed. No MLB team will come to Nashville during his likely 8-year tenure unless they are willng to pay 100% of the building costs. Sternberg isn't going to pay for the stadium, or he could have done that without moving. Dave Stewart has the financial backing to buy a team, relocate them to Nashville, and build a retractable dome with 100% private financing. I'd say that the Rays are not a possibility for Nashville. The White Sox are more likely possible, even though that chance is quite low. Nashville might stay a bridesmaid in Major League Baseball, while cities like Salt Lake City, Charlotte, San Antonio (and/or Austin), Raleigh, and maybe Montreal and Portland pass the Music City by in the pecking order.
I think baseball should not expand. There aren't enough good players to staff the 30 teams that presently exist.
Las Vegas and St Petersburg should at least have shovels in the ground before we talk expansion.
Manfred is a complete idiot all this goes on him this would have never happened under Selig or Vincent
What if mlb just contracted to 28 teams? Hear me out… after 2025, put the A’s and Rays on hiatus. They both cannot come back until their stadium situations (MLB, not MiLB) are resolved. Simultaneously, entertain two expansion cities and then do phased expansion with these teams, Rays, and A’s (two in 2030, next two in 2032).
That makes too much sense, so it will never happen.
Brodie also with some of the teams now coming up with Stadium problems will other teams end up moving you had a list of was it it 8 or 10 teams can't remember.The Rays should level the trop now and build the new Stadium where the Trop was .
“Destruction of Tropicana” is a phrase that applies to both Las Vegas and St. Petersburg.
Just relocate the Rays to Nashville or Charlotte
Nashville and Charlotte won't have a new ballpark ready after 2027, end of Rays lease
Probably slc
Nashville will not build a MLB stadium. No way. No how. As long as there isn’t a salary cap and revenue sharing (ala NFL,NHL) Nashville is not interested.
They have to get it going and can use the big O as a temporary ballpark - but mlb won’t come until they’ve broken ground
The economics of stadia. Owners want public subsidies and taxpayers don't want to subsidize billionaires and millionaires.
RSN's and "the locks" they had on supposedly captive cable customers.
Oh, and players' salaries and what a lot (but not all) teams are willing to pay for WARs.
Give me the Expos back and let the Diablos join the MLB with its rich Mexican league history 🔥
Rays are a natural fit in Montreal- instant rivalry between Toronto plus u have the Boston ny dynamic - it makes 1 quarter of their season a solid sell
I would say having a team in Montreal is a natural fit, but not necessarily the Rays. I would really like to see a team in Montreal, though.
the stadium is not at all available in the next few years.
Mate baseball is dead in Montréal
Montreal needs a new baseball-only stadium, built with private funds (like the privately-built Saputo MLS soccer stadium, and the privately-built Bell Centre (hockey, concerts, etc.)).
They definitely need a new baseball only stadium - right now is the time for someone to step up to the plate - Montreal is way more mlb ready today - and the rays are a perfect fit - jays fans already hate that organization- it’s the perfect storm
MLB screwed up when they didn’t allow San Jose for A’s if Oakland can’t work! Rays should go to Tampa Bay
Tampa Bay to Orlando or Charlotte!
Thank you for your expertise Brody. Ultimately it will all come back to ticket increases for the fans.
Not back to Canada . Please no .
I think you meant "billion" there when it comes to expansion fees, Brodie.
I'd shut down the A's and the Rays until they both get a ballpark.
That would be the smart thing to do. It would stop this tactic from Owners going forward. It's a net negative look for the entire league, and making a mockery of it at the same time.
Tampa to Mexico City. To test market
I think they might prefer
The Rays going to
Montreal on a temporary basis only.
Buy I 100% agree with you
I just do not see it happening.
From what
The N.B.A. have sead they are looking at Mexico City though.
I don’t think that will ever happen.
@ you were right
Pat Williams is searching for a MLB franchise in Orange county in Orlando FL.
If Hillsborogh & Pinellas counties can not have a meeting of the minds the Rays are welcomed in central, Florida adjacent Disney.
Orlando has no chance of supporting a franchise. There's way too much competition for not enough disposable income. Not to kention the Ray's would then owe Pinellas county and St Pete a bunch of money
Williams died from complications of viral pneumonia on July 17, 2024 at the age of 84.
Expansion won't happen for a very long time. It will land around the same time as the NFL. Give it 10 years.
Why does everything have to be absolutely perfect for expansion? Last time we expanded, we moved the Tigers to the Central, Brewers to the NL, and unbalanced leagues just because we wanted to expand. And it was good
If anything, the A's and Rays should be contracted, and MLB reduced to 28 teams for the foreseeable future. Return to four seven-team divisions and develop a twelve-team playoff with the divisional champions getting a first-round bye, and four best records per league playing best-of-three to determine their opponents.
I’d love for you to dig Into the LVXP development and possible future NBA situation for Las Vegas. The developer released some incredible renderings along with a YT video that details it.
Rob Manfred is a joke. He helped ruin my Oakland A's.
He's worst than Roger Goodell
My Oakland A's too 😞 F Manfraud F Fisher!
they were doomed not matter who ran MLB.
Bud Selig got it going he once said 2 teams can't work in the Bay area
@@scotttild16 M people in NorCal within the umbrella of the A’s/Giants media markets. Vegas region is just 3M.
Expansion should not be happening in any of the major sports leagues
They need open cities for current teams with failed fanbases and stadiums, like the Tampa Bay Rays. St. Petersburg just isn't a good location for MLB.
Nashville, Portland, Las Vegas (relocation team). 32 teams. Done.
None of those, only Salt Lake City is shovel ready
SLC is has a smaller metro and city population than Portland. And Portland has a higher city population than Detroit.
@@noaho8457 And nobody will go to a game in Portland because you will have to fight off a few dozen meth addicts and come back to your car with smashed out windows just to attend a game there. No thanks.
The elephant in the room is that MLB is in decline for most of the country. MLB and the sports media complex are not being honest. Expansion? Please😂
I don’t agree.
Not surprising, as the A’s situation is still murky. The Diamondbacks and White Sox have their own stadium issues/relocations pending. And I’m sure MLB wants to leverage Nashville and Salt Lake City in those negotiations, hoping they can preserve those markets for eventual expansion fees
Keep forgetting about Portland
The Ray's situation is experiencing setbacks as well. Also, The Angel's lease expires in 2030, so their name will be on this list shortly.
MLB and the NFL expand only at gunpoint. Also, holding off on expansion allows the owners to blackmail their present cities to build new stadiums for them. (See the A's and Vegas -- even though the locals really don't want them.)
what kind of comment is this? How delusional are you?
Let’s not forget that there is a 3rd team that’s under the uncertainty as well (the worst franchise in MLB history record wise a season ago)
Orlando, Florida
It’ll probably never happen but it would the coolest thing for the many Oregon baseball fans if Portland eventually got a team
I think the theory of your case misses the mark and that the Rays relocating will speed up the expansion process. The reason being that, if Pinellas County passes tomorrow on issuing the bonds for a new Rays ballpark, the Rays will be getting wooed by a conga line of suitor cities. All of those pitches will be de facto expansion bids. In fact, MLB could make Rays relocation and league expansion parallel endeavors. The Rays could select their new home while the league selects two other bids for expansion.
So I think the proper way to look at the Rays' situation is it's waving the starter's flag for cities to make their expansion bids. It's go time.
I think the delay is actually about waiting to see how it goes in SAC. If SAC supports MLB well and the Vegas deal occurs, Manfred would likely get a team in SAC, I believe. Ranadive could be a boon for India interest, now the most populous country in the world.
I see much trouble for MLB ahead. I would contract the two teams playing in minor league parks and focus on relocation for the cities of Nashville and SLC to gain teams if they are stronger markets than some of the other teams that are also for sale. MLB player salaries need to adopt to a salary cap system like the NHL. I think the players union will fight it hard, and we may lose a season due to a lockout next round of negotiations. The market had changed a lot, and the salaries are no longer justified. Revenue is going down.
Terrific; now instead of Las Vegas & Nashville would be 2 ideal places for expansion teams but instead now they’re going to be “inheriting” 2 crappy franchises from Oakland & Chicago. Now instead of the White Sox moving out since the MLB doesn’t seem to value 2 franchises in Chicago; the Rays might be taking their place instead.
Utah, Portland & Orlando to my knowledge are the only other cities that even want to have a baseball franchise unless there are other cities that are interested but I haven’t heard of any.
Let the A's Languish in Sacramento for decades.
Is there going to be a protest in Sacramento like a reverse boycott where rivercats games get sold out?
@@storyinsport9110 Not sure about that but the A's have unfortunately had a long history of horrid owners who have outright grifted from the team and conspired to move the A's since 1978. With Fisher being the worst of them.
@@pgaven9396 when did the A’s do the chants during the games? There was like a number or something? I think it was like sell fisher! I’m not sure exactly.
Would love to see Austin thrown in the hat as a possible expansion team.
Nashville does not went a relocated or expansion team with the current MLB revenue model.
For a Mexican team, I'd expect Monterrey to be added before Mexico City, for travel reasons. A Monterrey team also would tell Mexicans that they can expect their country to always be considered for expansion, as long as Mexico City doesn't have a team.
30 is enough
Does MLB REALLY need two more teams? Quite a few teams can barely pull attendance, do they really need two more teams thinning that out?
It’s not like attendance in one city will negatively impact attendance in a different city. As the value in TV deals shifts away from previously just wanting big markets to bring in channel fees to needing dedicated fans to bring in streaming revenue, more local options are key. Alternatively, you need a broader national support to increase value of nationwide TV deals which again relies on people willing to say get Peacock if Peacock streams MLB games.
With the ballpark deal all but dead in St. Pete, will the Devil Rays even stay? They will be playing in Tampa (go figure) for 2025. But with St. Pete basically bailing on the Rays, they could try again for Ybor or even a move to Orlando, or even Nashville has been brought up. While surprisingly, this isn't yet another disaster caused by Manfred, he doesn't seem to be doing much to help the situation right now either. So add this to the problems with the A's right now who won't even recognize the team with a city at this point.
St. Petersburg not happening is a BLESSING for them. Should have never built a stadium in that craphole known as St. Pete! Of course, this now puts pressure to get Tampa to build the new stadium or else an Orlando, Charlotte or Montreal will come swooping in.
What do the A's do if Sacramento doesn't work and the Las Vegas deal collapses?
Salt Lake. The $900 million for a new park is already approved by the Utah Legislature, and the Miller family (who used to own the Jazz) is willing to partner.
@@kirkdooley8190Might actually be preferable for MLB as more groups would be likely to pony up the expansion fee for Las Vegas.
The athletics are going to Vegas.
Fisher sells to Lacob and he finishes Howard Terminal
@@dmvtrax645 Not if Fisher can't get funding for his share of the Sydney Opry House, Part Deux ($1.5 B -- as of now).
It seems like we need less teams not more