Calum Mckinlay Also, imagine you're a director and you wanted to add a female character in your movie. Suddenly, you see people calling her a Mary Sue and you an SJW all because you added a different gender character instead of the traditional white male. It's almost like these incel republicans don't know that there's opposite genders and different colour of people in the world. Somehow that's political? Weird lol
@@rjdiggs738 Moron, ask those same people how they feel about Aliens or T2. It is not the mere inclusion of a female protagonist that causes criticism, it is the poor writing. The fact you need to slander and label people who don't like a film you do, shows how immature you are. You are fighting a strawman, fella.
Rj Diggs You see, you are so ignorant up in your high palace of socialism, that you don’t see the bullshit that rey is, she came out of nowhere and manages to be amazing at both piloting a ship, better than han, which i was kind of mad about considering the fact she had been stuck on a planet her whole life. And the fact she can defeat a trained sith with a weapon she wasn’t even trained with and hadn’t even properly picked up. It doesn’t matter whether she was a woman, or wasn’t white, it’s the fact she can’t do all this shit without any training whatsoever. I mean, i was kinda pissed off that Young skywalker could do better than trained pilots in a ship, but at least they gave him years of training to become as good as he was.
Thank you for stating this! Many SW fans wanted Lucas back after their meltdown that was TLJ, but they were the ones who chased him off, now they want him back... SW fans are like an abusive partner "Please come back... It'll be different I promise..."
I feel like a lot of Star Wars fans ARE abusive partners, always chasing what THEY want, never understanding that THEIR opinions and desires aren't gospel.
It was one of the reasons why I found the film "The People vs. George Lucas" so damned amusing. Yes, the very fans who ran George Lucas off of his own property are now the Wans (sic) begging for his return to "fix Star Wars".
I feel very sad that they did, because I really loved the Prequels and still do to this day. Back then I was always insulted when I defended the prequels, not I'm insulted for critizicing the sequels, even when I'm respectful when doing so... I've found many fans who liked the prequels and don't like the sequels, we all agree that it feels too different to the 6 originals, like a fanfiction... the fans kicked Lucas, then Lucasfilm and JJ Abrams under Disney also kicked Lucas out of HIS story.... It's as ridiculous as if someone had kicked out Tolkien from LOTR or the Silmarillion * sigh * but oh well... gg Star Wars, gg...
I agree with Greedo’s statement on riding the waves. The only thing you can do as a fan is like what you like, and don’t like what you don’t like, but be open minded about it. Tastes change over time. That’s something we all need to do.
Precisely! That, to me, was what fandom was about....people had different opinions and could engage in friendly debate about their likes and dislikes of aspects of a given property. For me, it was back in 2003 when I had to turn my back on fandom because of the childishly ridiculous fan-wars over the reimagined Battlestar Galactica. I got sick of the more *hardcore* fans on both sides telling me that I "had to choose a side." That I was "not allowed to support both the original and new shows." Sadly, that mentality has prevailed through the 16 years I've been self-exiled from fandom. It continued with the recent Star Trek films, and of course, now with Star Wars. At least here, I've found some people who can actually have civil, friendly, even light-hearted discourse about Star Wars.
I, too, am glad that there are still some decent people left, but I fear there may not be enough of them to save us from the horrible reputation we may soon have. Over the last few years, this fandom has been growing more and more toxic, so much so that I'm strongly considering abandoning ship after Episode IX's release. Not only am I sick of being cyberbullied for such idiotic reasons as my taste in god damn *_WORKS OF FICTION,_* but I also have no desire to be associated with said cyberbullies. One day, thanks to the likes of Michael McGrath and the people who made Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran leave Instagram, the Star Wars fandom as a whole will be judged based on the words and actions of a mere fraction of its members. I have enough people making false assumptions about me already, I don't need to be harassed by almost the entirety of the Internet for reasons that aren't even my fault.
Pretty much similar to how fans reacted to ‘The Last Jedi’. George Lucas would receive death threats on social media, Ahmed Best (Jar Jar Binks) would be the subject to online bullying and harassment, and many would try to downvote the film via IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, and hundreds of RUclips channels would make video essays explaining “Why ‘The Phantom Menace’ is a cinematic failure”.
@@stormtraitor6545 Er, only you realize that's already happened and Ahmed Best nearly committed suicide over the backlash right? Star Wars fans really are the worst sometimes taking such pride and narcissism in something as frivolous as movies so much so they harass directors and actors.
...pretty much how they actually did? ask most anyone over the age of 18 and they'll probably they say hate the prequels. i honestly don't know why greedo has to make it a point that people didn't like the prequels when it's very obvious that i wasn't. only reason it seems like people don't now is because youth dominate the internet, who were kids at the time of the release (then there are people who actually did like it, aside from kids).
@@stormtraitor6545 Ruin Johnson never recieved death threats, he was actually the one sending them out. He is a total bitch when it come to people not liking his fan film
Mister Lucas did a fabulous job. The special effects, were wonderful, and the storyline, was wonderful. I’ll probably come back and watch it a couple more times.
I enjoyed it very much. Even liked Jar Jar. I thought Lucas expanded his universe, brought new characters to build lore around. Was it clunky? Yes. Was it lowbrow at times? YES! But, it was exciting to have a new Star Wars film, and I ate it up. Toys, video games, I was into it man.
It's not like the OT was never lowbrow. Remember 3PO looking at the camera during the Hoth escape and complaining directly to the audience? Or Chewie putting 3PO's head on backwards during an otherwise somber and serious scene? Or the Ewoks??
I remember those days far too well...who remembers, that classic tune ‘George Lucas raped our childhood’? There’s a certain part of fandom who once loved a thing for what it is and what it stands for, but somewhere along the way got lost too deep (mostly in the minutiae of loadouts, statistics and bit part character backstory from a book or comic) and forgot what it was they loved about the thing in the first place. A part of the fandom that loves the thing so possessively that they gain this perceived ownership over it. That when a new part of the thing comes out, they have so many preconceived ideas about what this new thing should be, they hype themselves up over it to a point that nothing can ever meet this mental expectation, and they get like a psychotic ex after a bad breakup. Hating the thing they once loved, and determined to burn it down for not living up to their own impossible expectations. It’s been present in Star Wars since the first parts of the EU back in 79, but got magnified in 99. But, this same crowd, when you bring up this history of mad love/loathing when referring to TLJ, you always get the same response ‘it’s different this time’, just like they said in 2013, 2008, 2005, 2003, 2002, 1999, 1996, 1983, 1980, etc. Thank you Greedo for reminding us that’s it’s always been like this, and thank you for your eternal level head over all of this.
I just wanna mention that I'm really proud of Greedo. Been watching him off and on since his very first videos, and at that time he was NOT the "level-headed" fan we see today. He played "angry fanboy" unironically, shat all over the prequels and special editions at every opportunity, and was generally kinda hard to take seriously. I'm so glad he grew up a bit, and started looking at Star Wars with a big boy lens. I really wish the rest of the fanbase could do that.
Swish Fish time, age and perspective on things I think have helped a lot. I only really found Greedo relatively recently and don’t tend to look too far back into who a person was, and kinda deal with who they are right now. And if Greedo has gone through that journey from mad love/loathe to fan who likes some and dislikes others, but just accepts that and moves on, then that’s pretty amazing personal growth, and I have huge respect for that. From my experiences online the angry mad love/loathe fans talk about little else but Star Wars and video games (sure, there are some that don’t fit that categorisation). And that seems to be the problem, they have little else going on in their lives. It’s why they obsess over the minutiae and talk about the ‘lore’ as if it’s some sacred un moveable text (even though George Lucas himself shifted on the what the lore is, was and could be so frequently). Greedo has a wife and a daughter now, his time is split amongst all of these other things, it grounds and gives perspective. After all, it’s just a bunch of movies about space wizard aimed at 12 year olds, why does fandom take it all so seriously? And why is the internet a platform biased so much towards the spread of hate and not the spread of love? I honestly don’t care if people do or don’t like a movie, I just feel it’s incredibly unhealthy to wallow in hate for it.
@@InvaderWeezle I did find the political dynamic interesting and the whole shadow pulling the strings to be dope. That part of the movie I liked. Maybe the action in rots didn't hook you like it did for me. rots was the first star wars movie I went to see in theaters as a kid so that has a lot to do with it being my favorite prequel I guess haha. That and I liked to see the culmination of palps grand plan coming together, and how it paves way to the empire and the original trilogy.
@@RockyHemingway Really you can't trust anyone who is retarded enough to let something as frivolous as that define them as a person. It's my favorite of the prequels and has lots of good things despite how much neckbeards like to deny, bite me.
Whenever I hear someone say “this movie killed Star Wars! It killed my childhood.” My response is, “wow, must not have been a great franchise or a childhood for a single movie to kill it.”
"If you strip away the myths and look at their deeds, the legacy of the fandom is failure; hypocrisy, hubris. At the height of their power they allowed George Lucas to sell Star Wars to Disney through their constant complaining. It was the fans who were responsible for the training and creation of the Disney Wars films" Just a little joke, don't get your knickers in a twist 😎 I personally love every Star Wars film in some capacity (except for the anthology films) and personally consider TPM the best prequel.
Henry Ambrose That scene was okay. However, anyone who knows anything about Star Wars knows that realistically, he would have just forced the plans to his hand and he only takes out his lightsaber when he faces another Jedi, not to kill Rebels. He uses the Force for that. As for the rest of RO, it's just too boring for me. The characters are paper thin and poorly written, the battles feel pretty uninspired and it's just a fan service fest; I think Redlettermedia put it best when they said it's basically "Star Wars porn" 😂 If you like it however, go ahead and enjoy it. 🤝
@@sealionstudios8597 you can say the same about the door in the first Star Wars movie. Why didn't Vader use the force just stop the door from closing and and open it then use the force to stop the Millennium Falcon from taking off?
I don't know why but the little blurbs with facts from the era really make this feel way higher in production quality, whether or not it actually is. Love the work as always HG, keep it up.
Yay! I agree! I think there's a lot to love about even the "worst" Star Wars movies. Even Attack of the Clones had the awesome Kamino stuff and the Geonosis arena fight.
@@aamoldandallergy5326 I hope so, too. I did enjoy TLJ, but I also see it for the very derailing effect it had on what could have been a good trilogy. I'll go and see Ep. IX, and hope that it will be enjoyable, but at this point, I really don't see it being much more than damage control, rather than a film to be enjoyed. It has always been my tradition since I was 8 in '77 to go and see Star Wars films at least once on the big screen (that even included the animated Clone Wars movie which was the pilot for the awesome tv series that followed).
@@swishfish8858 AotC *also* established that Padme Amidala has the cutest little butt in the Star Wars universe. (Seconded only by Jyn Erso in Rogue One.) 😀 I also loved the very epic ground battle after the Arena fight.
I love going back and looking at forum posts from before I was born (the year 2000) and when I was young (the 2000s). It is just so fascinating to see the internet world I was so ignorant to at the time, and how similar it is to today. Just fascinating.
Your presentation is well-researched, well-spoken, and professional. I got pulled into the outrage machine earlier this year. I've just about had enough of the outrage channels, words/phrases such as "SJW", "shill", "true fan", "ruined Star Wars", "Ruin Johnson", etc. I originally hated TLJ but have grown to love it. It's not perfect but I've found things to appreciate. And thanks for keeping the video to under 12 minutes instead of rambling like a maniac for 30 minutes...and for not mentioning Brie Larson.
@@GlitteringToothpaste “I’ve force fed myself so much I’m starting to like it” Actually, I've only seen it twice all the way through. I have a different experience and perspective with TLJ. I decided to see it once and then just let it sit for over a year and process it. I recently watched it a second time just two months ago. If I force-fed myself anything, it was online discussions and going over my own thoughts. Obviously, all sides of the discussion have their biases, so after having enough of that, I just decided to sit down with TLJ for a second time and make up my own mind about it. I think the online discussions helped me go into it as neutral as possible a second time because since I had pretty much EVERY perspective and opinion in my head by that time, they all canceled each other out, and I could just watch it with no biases.
I still like the prequels and I never will but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to bash them and give George Lucas death threats and stuff like people are doing for the last Jedi which by the way I actually liked
This video gives me hope for the fandom in a weird way. Knowing that the discourse has always been contentious is pretty comforting. And to see exactly what’s shown in the video displayed in the comment section is pretty incredible. If the fandom was always like this, it goes to show that Star Wars is alive and well, you guys. Not amount of arguing can kill a franchise this special.
Great point at the end about monetization. Hate gets views and money. That's why a bunch of the anti-Star Wars channels have jumped into the anti-Brie Larson and anti-Game of Thrones circlejerks. They need something else to generate revenue until The Rise of Skywalker gets closer, at which point we will see another rise in videos bashing on it, as well as people like Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, etc.
Well if there’s a large audience for hate to the point that it’s getting monetized then don’t you think people really hate said thing, and that something is probably wrong with it? Otherwise it wouldn’t be getting so much hate and views lol.
Giann 3250 In the case of Brie Larson, no since the hate is due to manufactured propaganda and white male fragility. People on the internet love to comb through a persons' past with a fine microscope for anything to use against them. That's how James Gunn got fired.
Giann 3250 Nothing is wrong with hating a piece of media, but no, a bunch of videos being made about it doesn't mean something is wrong with it. For example, most of the complaints about Game of Thrones boil down to "it's not the books" and "it's not what I wanted to happen". Then they use terms like bad writing and objectively bad as a cop out to make their complaints sound better, without actually providing anything meaningful.
@@jpp4566 Most of those videos are just elaborate essays nitpicking on one issue. Just one. Imagine 10 minutes of saying the exact same thing, but in a thousand different ways. That's what they are.
I will never forget how pumped i was for this film when it came out. From the very beginning i knew something wasn't right. By the time it ended i was so disappointed. Even today i can't get away with TPM but i have to admit the trilogy got better as it went on and i loved Revenge of the Sith.
The kids who grew up with them, know learned to use the internet for content creation. I would have loved those memes as a child. Back then I knew every line of the prequels and I felt so alone...
Lol... it has to be popular in the first place to be formed into a meme. Wether it’s negative or positive popularity. The prequels have always been popular that’s why memes have come out of them And I think you’re wrong actually. The reason why the prequels are so popular nowadays in my opinion is because of the younger generation (people around my age) when the prequels first came out I was pretty young and loved the movies. Ep 3 is what got me into Star Wars and is my fav Star Wars movie. However I was young and so did not have a voice in my opinion. Most fans of the original trilogy were considered the “fanbase” per se since they were the older Star Wars fans during the prequel trilogy era. Since they were the voice of the fanbase most OT fans didn’t like the prequels since they were vastly different from the OT. Once prequels fans grew up (which is now) we are older and have a voice in our opinion. This is why you’re seeing a rise in popularity of the prequel trilogy, and a split in the fanbase. I know the prequels had a lot of flaws, but I grew up with them and still are my favourite movies. The issue with the new trilogy is that it caters and grabs source material from the original trilogy. Dated movies that we have experienced before, people that enjoy TFA and TLJ I assume are OT fans that have grown up with those movies, so this new trilogy evokes that nostalgic emotion that is familiar to them. But they are very dissimilar to the prequel trilogy and that’s why fans of the prequel trilogy like me don’t enjoy them as much. There’s no pleasing everyone honestly, ep 9 has to be a perfect mix of OT and prequel trilogy to make people happy which will be very hard to pull off. Most Star Wars fans honestly only enjoy Star Wars movies because they are reminiscent of Star Wars movies they liked as as a kid, literally just playing off nostalgia and emotion.
Thank you for mentioning Blockbuster, that a great podcast! Also thank you for the flashback. The pop out references were great for keeping everything in scale.
I find The Phantom Menace entertaining but I do see its problems and wish it was better. Some great scenes surrounded by many dull or terrible scenes. Whenever I watch the movie I can't help but to think what it would be like if George got the help he wanted and obviously needed. He asked but everybody overestimated him.
Yes, TPM was enjoyable....and it could have been better. But it was Star Wars, and it satiated my need for a new Star Wars movie back then, with the promise and fulfillment of a trilogy, culminated by my second favorite Star Wars movie, Revenge of the Sith.
@@Nitrobotti I remember when I bought the widescreen VHS of TPM, it had this 20 minute featurette at the end about the making of the film, and one of the artists said he almost cried because there is one establishing shot of the city of Theed that is just way too short, and there is so much going on in that shot. I agree....it is a very beautiful and all to short-lived a shot.
I didn't really dislike it until people told me I was supposed to... And even then, yeah, it definitely paled in quality compared to the original and was Dissapointing in many places, but it still felt like star wars.
I liked all Star Wars movies. My least favorite is probably Rogue One. And from what I hear online that is apparently one of the best ? People I talk to in real life didn’t enjoy Rogue One that much and think the new trilogy has been good so far with a few really great characters.
Eh . Rogue one and solo are tied for my personal favourite ngl . I think my cup of tea in star wars will be stories not focusing on the Skywalker fam based on that
darth fury I really enjoyed Solo. That might be one of my favorites. I don’t really know what it was about Rogue One. I saw it twice in theater and then once after I bought it. I’ll rewatch it soon and maybe my opinion will change
Caden Sutton Funny enough. When I did Star Wars polls, not many people picked Rogue One or Solo, but they picked more of the new trilogy films. Curious.
Watching through these videos it feels like there's a cycle to each Star Wars release. 1) The hype 2) Positive critical reviews 3) Audience reacts with hate. 4) More negative critical reviews and editorials start appearing. 5) Forums begin filling with arguments from both the love and hate it sides. 6) A new Star Wars film is announced and releases. 7) Suddenly everyone is a lot more nostalgic for the previous film.
1dannyefc if Star Wars fans hated Star Wars since 1983 then there would be no more Star Wars by today lol... think about what you’re saying and what’s being shown to you.
Caleb Morgan that’s only because Star Wars fans are very passionate about the franchise, if there’s a sw movie they don’t like obviously it’s going to be a big deal to them. People who aren’t fans of Star Wars don’t really care. So you’re right with what you said, but there’s a simple reason for why that’s true
@@jpp4566 I will say that this is about the only time that I can say I admire sports fans....because even if their team is losing badly, they still stick with their team through thick and thin.
Saw Phantom Menace 8 times as a teen my group of friends did about the same, we had no issues with it didn't even realize how much nerd rage was unleashed.
Since the Phantom Menace and The Last Jedi are pretty much at this point the most hated Star Wars films to date. Someone should do a comparison on which is the lesser of the two evils. What both their strengths and weaknesses are, and which one is the better movie of the two. It would lead to a very interesting discussion.
@Astra Verde good point, and knowing some people maybe narcissistic to other fans and calling them stupid for their opinions and actually enjoying the movies
@Astra Verde or you could look at objective things like the writing of the story/characters, quality of the effects, and how it functions on it's own and as part of the larger story of star wars
Agreed. I was really getting sick of all the "if you liked The Last Jedi, you're a dumb***" attitude of some other Super RUclips users. Sadly, you cannot reason with them.
TPM was probably the biggest movie "event" of my life time (other than maybe Independence Day). I feel like there hasn't been a summer dominated like that since 1999.
“I liked the movie when I first saw it too, and for many of the same reasons. The stuff that bugged me snuck up on me after the initial thrill died down.” This was how I felt after The Last Jedi. I didn’t hate it after my first viewing, though I did still have issues with it, I came out still fairly enjoying it. After a week to think it over, however, I began to notice more of the problems, and after my second viewing, I found myself annoyed rather than enthralled.
I wonder if Twitter was around during The Original Trilogy (which was during the Cold War), haters would have said stuff like: *If you like Star Wars then you support the URSS*
"Princess Leia is such a Mary Sue!"; "Luke tried to kill his own father, this is so out-of-character!"; "Lando is obviously an SJW character to force diversity upon us!"; "The stormtroopers wear white armor, this is reverse-racism!" (just a little bit of "what could have been" :P )
I rewatched this movie recently, while my opinions have defininently changed, I'm still not a fan of it. But I do think it's incredible how little the fan reception has changed
The question whether or not the SW fandom was destroyed by the sequels has been answered. The SW fandom has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Regarding the critics, I'm particularly impressed by Peter Bradshaw's (4:24). Although I enjoy TPM and the prequel trilogy overall, his critique is really on-point.
From a visual, lighting and composition perspective, I still think it's a masterpiece. Dialog and writing is weak but the tech aspects still blow away most blockbuster movies with far more advanced CGI. If you don't believe me, watch it again on mute (or with a foreign language audio option) and ask yourself if it doesn't *look* good. I wish Marvel movies were shot that well.
It was a short line but it is a really interesting point that you brought up how monetization influences the type of content people produce these days.
People don’t really care if someone else likes or hates something that they don’t. It’s just that whatever it is that most people end up liking is what they will make more of.
And now the exact same thing is happening with the sequel trilogy. Back then, most diehard fans hated the prequels, but now there is a new appreciation for the prequels, but hate the sequels. It’s something that I think will happen with Star Wars forever, the “fans” will hate them until something new comes and then they deem the old ones as being better and it continues on and on. I love all of the Star Wars movies, and even though certain movies may not be technically “good”, they still offer me what I like, which is Star Wars action and lore. And even though I love the prequels, it’s obvious that the sequels are better movies from a technical standpoint, from the sets to the dialogue. Star Wars fans are some of the best and worst fans all in one. They have an extreme love for the franchise, but also hate almost everything new, and it seems to take the younger generation growing up for the older fans to start to see the good in them. The reality is that nothing will ever match the originals. Not only are they masterpieces of cinema, but also a piece of each and every one of our childhoods. Nothing can ever match the feeling of our first time watching those movies. I don’t go to see Star Wars movies for them to match the originals, because that is nearly an impossible task, I simply want to see them expand the franchise in new and interesting directions, something I think both the prequels and sequels(yes even The Last Jedi) do.
888nivek I don’t think that obviously. I just was saying that we are going through the same thing today with the sequels as we did with the prequels. In 10-15 years I can guarantee many of the fans who hate them will start to like them more. And as much as I adore the prequels, I grew up on both the OT and PT and watched TCW every episode as a kid, the sequels are clearly superior movies from a technical aspect, in just about every way.
888nivek how was it more corporate than the movies that came before it, disregarding a new hope obviously? They went to every one of these movies knowing it would kill the box office. And from watching all of the behind the scenes, it’s clear so much love and effort was put into these movies
I saw it three times when it came out. I just couldn't like it. Few times over the years.. I've grown to like it. As for the generational gap, with the fandom. People will like what they like. I like the new stuff just as much as the OT n PT. They are just as flawed as the new ones, and vice versa.
@@AlexeiVoronin Love is what motivates us. Love for the integrity of story. Love for the integrity of characters. Love for consistency and lore. These franchises are dying because the people in control of them don't love them. We know the real thing from a fake. No one who truly loves these things can stand to watch them be mutilated for the love of a lousy buck and the egos of Hollywood hacks.
The only review you ever need to read is the one where the guy ended up at home playing with his toys. It's so easy to say what you don't like these days, but that strikes at the heart of why I love Star Wars and I can still feel it from when I was a young boy watching the OT in the 80's.
Walking out of The Phantom Menace was the single most disappointing moment of my life. Walking away from the theater with a group of guys, all of us original fans since 1977, nobody had anything to say. The car ride home was pretty quiet as well, until everyone had been dropped off and it was just me and my brother in law. He turned to me and said, "What the fuck was that?" Yeah, I'll take the sequel films over the prequels any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
That’s the issue with the movies man you see a split between the fanbase because you grew up with the OT. You were expecting the prequels to be like the old Star Wars you remember, but George Lucas had a different direction/vision and those movies were vastly different. I grew up with the prequels as a kid. I loved them all, so when I saw TLJ and TFA I experienced exactly what you did when you walked into The phantom Menace. Vastly different (TFA wasn’t too bad tho) Honestly We will only like Star Wars movies if they played on those old nostalgic emotions we had from our childhood. I really believe this, so the only way I think ep 9 will do good for the fanbase is if it caters to elements of both the original trilogy and sequel trilogy equally.
I remember some of your Prequel Videos Greedo, they were brutal. You could really tell you possessed an intense hatred of them. I mean they are as funny as all get out, but you could tell how disappointed you were with those movies. You have grown and mellowed since then, and have given them their due. You've come a long way sir.
This movie came out when I was 12. I started visiting theforce.net and thought it was SO WEIRD that adults were getting all worked up about things they didn't like about TPM. As a kid, I could say, "um it's just a movie, it's not perfect, let's just enjoy it for what it is." Probably there are 12 yr olds now shaking their heads at all the Last Jedi controversy. I basically went on the forums to chat about what might happen in Episode II, and talk about the books in the EU!
I remember being so disappointed at the end of that movie. We had a friend who kept saying, "yeah but I bet when you see all the films from this trilogy as a whole, it will be great". That never happened.
Yes I've seen it two more times once it came out and of course I was one of the first to see it so had no idea what to expect, and I wanted to like it, but was unable to.
In my eyes, the only difference between Star Wars fandom of yesterday vs Star Wars fandom of today is that I'm 20 years older and I'm tired of everyone on forums and youtube brandishing their toy lightsabers over whether or not Latest Movie was good.
My feelings exactly. It's amazing to think that there was a time when people could like or dislike a movie without having to fight everyone in a hundred-mile radius about it ;)
I wouldn’t be surprised if, twenty years from now, people suddenly started appreciating the Disney Star Wars movies like they’ve started appreciating the prequels recently
Here is a very scaled down synopsis of the negative reactions to all the movies: Star Wars (aka A New Hope): a dog man with no pants, goofy dialog, this isn't science fiction. The Empire Strikes Back: they screwed up the force and put a muppet in my Star Wars and Vader is a liar! The Return of the Jedi: Ewoks? More Muppets? Luke and Leia are twins? WTF! The Phantom Menace: a little kid, Jar Jar, politics? The Clone War: So much CGI my eyes hurt, horrendous dialog, creepy Anakin. The Revenge of the Sith: wow he flipped easy, clunky, Nooooooooooooooooo! The Force Awakens: rehash, Mary Sue much?, SJW ruining my Star Wars! The Last Jedi: Not my Luke! Clunky writing. They ruined my Star Wars. The Rise of Skywalker: Blah Blah Blah.
Wow... Nearly 20 years... So we already way past the time where more years had passed from Jedi to the next film, I was 16 when this came out and gagging for more star wars
We all have our favorite star wars films for our personnal reasons. We all like something different about star wars. For some it's the characters, for some the battles, for some the world, for some the music and I can go on forever with that. My favorite Star Wars movie is return of the jedi and I know that it's not even in the top 3 for most people. If you don't like a movie, that's fine but be civilized and talk about the actual cinematic flaws of the movie. Each star wars movie is flawed in my opinion even empire.
Yeah maybe thats the reason why star wars keep staying for the last 40: it has something for everybody. When you watch a Chris Nolan you already expect a ambitous craft story with underdevelop characters, when watch a Quentin Tarantino film you already expect stories that sound boring on papper but he makes it entertaining because of His weirdo characters. So you can't ask for strong characters in a Nolan film because he Will always focus on the story, while you can't ask for better stories in a Tarantino film because he Will always focus on strange situations. With star wars if you want fun and adventure you can watch the original trilogy, the sequels, and even all the battlefront games (even if most of them aren't good), if you want a More detail story you can watch the prequels, the clone wars show and the knight of the old republic game. Its like the message from the lego movie, you don't need an instruction book to built what you like and feel what Is awesome, you don't need to be the bad guy of the story, look at all the amazing and diferent stuff everybody can make and all because everyone Is the special one.
I think it's objectively good. How people feel and interpret them will always be subjective though. And I'm fine with that. But if you disagree Id like to hear your thoughts and insights on it.Whether your saying all movies are subjective, or if you think it's objectively bad
Giann 3250 Well people have a subjective opinion on the Earth being flat and murder being ok. So is there no objective truth about these things? Of course not. I'm saying despite my feelings on the films they are objectively good. Just like I can say the Earth is round, even though that is my subjective opinion.
The Bossk we have factual evidence to prove earth round from research and evidence. That’s why it is an objective fact. There’s no “fact” about something as subjective as a movie, everyone can like or dislike elements about it and that all comes down to personal taste/interest. To say “you think think something is objective” upon which there is no underlying factual base is a very contradictory statement, because again having a thought about something is an opinion. Let alone ignorant to other people’s tastes on said thing.
Phantom Menace is no where near as awful as Last Jedi. Atleast Phantom Menace despite it's issue's was George's personal hope and dream and made the movie the way he wanted it with passion and love of the people who made it too while The Last Jedi is a cold calculated corporate mess trying to come off as genuine.
These reviews are very on point, even for the time - immediately after TPM came out it was divisive, but for the press to be perfectly in tune with the lacking quality in the movie is impressive
C'mon, now. Let's not get all "fan vs fan" about this. 😊 Jeremy and his compadres are as passionate about Star Wars as we are...and I can see many of their points of view. Jeremy, if anything, is a bit more flexible when it comes to Star Wars than most of the others he commiserates with. He loved the prequels, he liked The Force Awakens. Like myself, he even had high hopes for Star Wars under Disney. Everything for him seemed to come crashing down with The Last Jedi, and, quite honestly, with the classless antics of Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson. (I will agree that Kennedy and Johnson have been very antagonistic toward old-school fans...and the ire they receive from the fans is far from undeserved.) If there is only one really bad thing I can say about the whole deal is that they do seem to have the "more fan than thou" mentality that drove me away from fandom in 2003 with Battlestar Galactica. May the Force Be With You. 😊
The GeeksClassMediaPro Secrets Cult’s definition of SJW. Anybody who genuinely enjoys even just a tiny bit of anything they consider “woke” even if they just enjoyed it for the story and not because the lead role was a Wahman or anything like that.
@@roblosonic505 I will largely agree with that. As much as I think Jeremy is a pretty cool guy, he and his compadres will generally *refuse* to answer anyone who tries to present a reasoned, and friendly rebuttal to their generalizations of any fans who have a different view point. That is indeed sad. What I find so amusing is that someone can post a 5 to 30 minute video, ranting about what they hate about something, and yet they'll ignore a point-for-point rebuttal, usually citing the ol' "TL;DR" excuse....even if in that rebuttal, the responder acknowledges that there are many, many flaws in The Last Jedi, and that it does indeed throw what could have been a good trilogy (if not a great one) off track.
The people wanted The Phantom Menace to give them their childhood back, but it was already gone. Watch any Star Wars movie with a child. He knows they have awkward moments. He doesn't care, he loves them. Watch them with a grown up. He complaints, but he will never be happy, even though he says he is a fan.
Star Wars - Masterpiece The Empire Strikes Back - Masterpiece Return of the Jedi - Amazing The Phantom Menace - Good Attack of the Clones - Alright Revenge of the Sith - Good The Force Awakens - Amazing Rogue One - Decent The Last Jedi - Spectacular Solo - Awesome and extremely underrated
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"You fought in the Forum Wars?"
"Yes, I was once a Moderator the same as your father."
Curt Wedin
I love your comment. I'm gonna use this in ever last Jedi hate channels.
Report and move on folks
Before the Dark Times. Before Facebook.
Rj Diggs you mean nearly every channel? Barely anyone liked TLJ
The Great Flame War 1999-2006. I'm a veteran!
I'm just glad we didn't use terms like SJW, Mary Sue and Virtue Signalling back then. The worst it got in 1999 was Gusher.
What's wrong with using those words?
Calum Mckinlay
Also, imagine you're a director and you wanted to add a female character in your movie. Suddenly, you see people calling her a Mary Sue and you an SJW all because you added a different gender character instead of the traditional white male. It's almost like these incel republicans don't know that there's opposite genders and different colour of people in the world. Somehow that's political? Weird lol
@@rjdiggs738 Moron, ask those same people how they feel about Aliens or T2. It is not the mere inclusion of a female protagonist that causes criticism, it is the poor writing. The fact you need to slander and label people who don't like a film you do, shows how immature you are.
You are fighting a strawman, fella.
Rj Diggs You see, you are so ignorant up in your high palace of socialism, that you don’t see the bullshit that rey is, she came out of nowhere and manages to be amazing at both piloting a ship, better than han, which i was kind of mad about considering the fact she had been stuck on a planet her whole life. And the fact she can defeat a trained sith with a weapon she wasn’t even trained with and hadn’t even properly picked up. It doesn’t matter whether she was a woman, or wasn’t white, it’s the fact she can’t do all this shit without any training whatsoever. I mean, i was kinda pissed off that Young skywalker could do better than trained pilots in a ship, but at least they gave him years of training to become as good as he was.
@@spenser9908They are dumb insulting terms that are just thrown around to destroy every productive and interesting debate.
Thank you for stating this!
Many SW fans wanted Lucas back after their meltdown that was TLJ,
but they were the ones who chased him off, now they want him back...
SW fans are like an abusive partner "Please come back... It'll be different I promise..."
I feel like a lot of Star Wars fans ARE abusive partners, always chasing what THEY want, never understanding that THEIR opinions and desires aren't gospel.
It was one of the reasons why I found the film "The People vs. George Lucas" so damned amusing. Yes, the very fans who ran George Lucas off of his own property are now the Wans (sic) begging for his return to "fix Star Wars".
RICOFRITO I don’t want him back at all. But I do think that Disney owning the franchise isn’t a good thing.
I feel very sad that they did, because I really loved the Prequels and still do to this day. Back then I was always insulted when I defended the prequels, not I'm insulted for critizicing the sequels, even when I'm respectful when doing so... I've found many fans who liked the prequels and don't like the sequels, we all agree that it feels too different to the 6 originals, like a fanfiction... the fans kicked Lucas, then Lucasfilm and JJ Abrams under Disney also kicked Lucas out of HIS story.... It's as ridiculous as if someone had kicked out Tolkien from LOTR or the Silmarillion * sigh * but oh well... gg Star Wars, gg...
This is mostly an Internet thing in real Life many Star Wars fans aren’t like this
I agree with Greedo’s statement on riding the waves. The only thing you can do as a fan is like what you like, and don’t like what you don’t like, but be open minded about it. Tastes change over time. That’s something we all need to do.
Well told!!!!
Spot on, exactly how it should be.
Exactly. And must never cross that line between disliking, and boycotting the brand and hating on its fans.
@@WesMordine Well said!
Your favourite color is red
My favourite color is blue
How is arguing and debating over that
Going to change either's point of view?
What a poet!
Wololo, your favourite colour is green now.
I really don't understand why people aren't allowed opinions, it completely baffles me that people are so horrible to each other about their opinions.
Precisely! That, to me, was what fandom was about....people had different opinions and could engage in friendly debate about their likes and dislikes of aspects of a given property. For me, it was back in 2003 when I had to turn my back on fandom because of the childishly ridiculous fan-wars over the reimagined Battlestar Galactica. I got sick of the more *hardcore* fans on both sides telling me that I "had to choose a side." That I was "not allowed to support both the original and new shows." Sadly, that mentality has prevailed through the 16 years I've been self-exiled from fandom. It continued with the recent Star Trek films, and of course, now with Star Wars. At least here, I've found some people who can actually have civil, friendly, even light-hearted discourse about Star Wars.
@@martok2112 I'm glad there are some decent fans left
@@nathankirk2157 Me too.
I, too, am glad that there are still some decent people left, but I fear there may not be enough of them to save us from the horrible reputation we may soon have. Over the last few years, this fandom has been growing more and more toxic, so much so that I'm strongly considering abandoning ship after Episode IX's release. Not only am I sick of being cyberbullied for such idiotic reasons as my taste in god damn *_WORKS OF FICTION,_* but I also have no desire to be associated with said cyberbullies. One day, thanks to the likes of Michael McGrath and the people who made Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran leave Instagram, the Star Wars fandom as a whole will be judged based on the words and actions of a mere fraction of its members. I have enough people making false assumptions about me already, I don't need to be harassed by almost the entirety of the Internet for reasons that aren't even my fault.
@@christianwelch4206 I agree, i am at the point where I don't want to be a fan of things publicly as,I fear that I'll be associated with bad people
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Wise words, fitting coming from someone with a Yoda profile pic.
Stop hiding behind the Yoda costume, Quark. We know it’s you /s 👀
general shephard you mean?
This echo's now with The Last Jedi. "It's like poetry. It rhymes" - George Lucas
Thorne I don't know what that means, but cool I guess. Though I believe both are good movies (though I have more of a bias towards TPM)
@Thorne "Yippppeeee!!!!"
Get a life.
I like how the comments here miss the point of the video
@Mike Morgan The prequels were already starting to get appreciated before the force awakens came out.
@Mike Morgan Except I like the sequels too and all the movies except Attack of the Clowns.
My least favourite Star Wars Movie, but I still kind of enjoy it.
Lover or hater of "The Last Jedi", which you are?
Hater, I am.
Prequels, good, they are.
@@modmaker7617 Lover, I am.
@@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou Opinion, your is valid. Change, your mind, I will not.
@@modmaker7617 Valid, your Opinion is too. Attack you unnecessary, I shall not.
@@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou How, on internet, people act, they should. Like this.
All the comments incoming to say TLJ was worse in 3... 2... 1...
Where is the lie?
Marco Polo TLJ was worse.
It is worse.
It is tho
It's is the worse lol
I watch this and I hear the Fallout 4 open narrator "Star Wars fandom, it never changes"
HA! Yes!
Makes me wonder how people would have reacted to the prequels if they were released today, especially in the age of memes.
Pretty much similar to how fans reacted to ‘The Last Jedi’.
George Lucas would receive death threats on social media, Ahmed Best (Jar Jar Binks) would be the subject to online bullying and harassment, and many would try to downvote the film via IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes.
Oh, and hundreds of RUclips channels would make video essays explaining “Why ‘The Phantom Menace’ is a cinematic failure”.
@@stormtraitor6545 Er, only you realize that's already happened and Ahmed Best nearly committed suicide over the backlash right?
Star Wars fans really are the worst sometimes taking such pride and narcissism in something as frivolous as movies so much so they harass directors and actors.
@@stormtraitor6545 Don't forget that you would be harassed alot online
...pretty much how they actually did? ask most anyone over the age of 18 and they'll probably they say hate the prequels. i honestly don't know why greedo has to make it a point that people didn't like the prequels when it's very obvious that i wasn't. only reason it seems like people don't now is because youth dominate the internet, who were kids at the time of the release (then there are people who actually did like it, aside from kids).
@@stormtraitor6545 Ruin Johnson never recieved death threats, he was actually the one sending them out. He is a total bitch when it come to people not liking his fan film
history repeats itself.
That's great, but what did Shaq think of the movie?
Mister Lucas did a fabulous job. The special effects, were wonderful, and the storyline, was wonderful.
I’ll probably come back and watch it a couple more times.
Who's Shaq?
@@Commander_Shepard. Shaquille O' Neal. The tall black guy you see in the general commercials
I need to know what Ja Rule feels about this.
@@bwills4k underrated comment
The vicious cycle of Star Wars fandom in a nutshell.
Dude your evolution as a fan has been cool. Love what you're doing.
I enjoyed it very much. Even liked Jar Jar. I thought Lucas expanded his universe, brought new characters to build lore around. Was it clunky? Yes. Was it lowbrow at times? YES!
But, it was exciting to have a new Star Wars film, and I ate it up. Toys, video games, I was into it man.
Well said, Eric!
It's not like the OT was never lowbrow. Remember 3PO looking at the camera during the Hoth escape and complaining directly to the audience? Or Chewie putting 3PO's head on backwards during an otherwise somber and serious scene? Or the Ewoks??
I remember those days far too well...who remembers, that classic tune ‘George Lucas raped our childhood’?
There’s a certain part of fandom who once loved a thing for what it is and what it stands for, but somewhere along the way got lost too deep (mostly in the minutiae of loadouts, statistics and bit part character backstory from a book or comic) and forgot what it was they loved about the thing in the first place. A part of the fandom that loves the thing so possessively that they gain this perceived ownership over it. That when a new part of the thing comes out, they have so many preconceived ideas about what this new thing should be, they hype themselves up over it to a point that nothing can ever meet this mental expectation, and they get like a psychotic ex after a bad breakup. Hating the thing they once loved, and determined to burn it down for not living up to their own impossible expectations. It’s been present in Star Wars since the first parts of the EU back in 79, but got magnified in 99. But, this same crowd, when you bring up this history of mad love/loathing when referring to TLJ, you always get the same response ‘it’s different this time’, just like they said in 2013, 2008, 2005, 2003, 2002, 1999, 1996, 1983, 1980, etc.
Thank you Greedo for reminding us that’s it’s always been like this, and thank you for your eternal level head over all of this.
Speak on it!
I just wanna mention that I'm really proud of Greedo. Been watching him off and on since his very first videos, and at that time he was NOT the "level-headed" fan we see today. He played "angry fanboy" unironically, shat all over the prequels and special editions at every opportunity, and was generally kinda hard to take seriously. I'm so glad he grew up a bit, and started looking at Star Wars with a big boy lens. I really wish the rest of the fanbase could do that.
Swish Fish I completely forgot about that phase! I knew there was a reason I wouldn’t watch him for a while
Swish Fish time, age and perspective on things I think have helped a lot. I only really found Greedo relatively recently and don’t tend to look too far back into who a person was, and kinda deal with who they are right now. And if Greedo has gone through that journey from mad love/loathe to fan who likes some and dislikes others, but just accepts that and moves on, then that’s pretty amazing personal growth, and I have huge respect for that.
From my experiences online the angry mad love/loathe fans talk about little else but Star Wars and video games (sure, there are some that don’t fit that categorisation). And that seems to be the problem, they have little else going on in their lives. It’s why they obsess over the minutiae and talk about the ‘lore’ as if it’s some sacred un moveable text (even though George Lucas himself shifted on the what the lore is, was and could be so frequently). Greedo has a wife and a daughter now, his time is split amongst all of these other things, it grounds and gives perspective. After all, it’s just a bunch of movies about space wizard aimed at 12 year olds, why does fandom take it all so seriously?
And why is the internet a platform biased so much towards the spread of hate and not the spread of love? I honestly don’t care if people do or don’t like a movie, I just feel it’s incredibly unhealthy to wallow in hate for it.
This reply wins the internet today.
Best of the prequels tbh. I unironically like TPM quite a bit, in fact.
What about revenge of the sith?
@@JokingSteak I honestly like Phantom Menace more than Revenge of the Sith
Can't trust anyone who thinks TPM is good, let alone their favorite prequel.
@@InvaderWeezle I did find the political dynamic interesting and the whole shadow pulling the strings to be dope. That part of the movie I liked. Maybe the action in rots didn't hook you like it did for me. rots was the first star wars movie I went to see in theaters as a kid so that has a lot to do with it being my favorite prequel I guess haha. That and I liked to see the culmination of palps grand plan coming together, and how it paves way to the empire and the original trilogy.
@@RockyHemingway Really you can't trust anyone who is retarded enough to let something as frivolous as that define them as a person.
It's my favorite of the prequels and has lots of good things despite how much neckbeards like to deny, bite me.
Whenever I hear someone say “this movie killed Star Wars! It killed my childhood.” My response is, “wow, must not have been a great franchise or a childhood for a single movie to kill it.”
"If you strip away the myths and look at their deeds, the legacy of the fandom is failure; hypocrisy, hubris.
At the height of their power they allowed George Lucas to sell Star Wars to Disney through their constant complaining. It was the fans who were responsible for the training and creation of the Disney Wars films"
Just a little joke, don't get your knickers in a twist 😎
I personally love every Star Wars film in some capacity (except for the anthology films) and personally consider TPM the best prequel.
Hello Greedo needs to pin this 😂😂😂
You don't love Rogue One at all? Not even the hallway scene at the end?
Henry Ambrose That scene was okay. However, anyone who knows anything about Star Wars knows that realistically, he would have just forced the plans to his hand and he only takes out his lightsaber when he faces another Jedi, not to kill Rebels. He uses the Force for that.
As for the rest of RO, it's just too boring for me. The characters are paper thin and poorly written, the battles feel pretty uninspired and it's just a fan service fest; I think Redlettermedia put it best when they said it's basically "Star Wars porn" 😂
If you like it however, go ahead and enjoy it. 🤝
@@sealionstudios8597 you can say the same about the door in the first Star Wars movie. Why didn't Vader use the force just stop the door from closing and and open it then use the force to stop the Millennium Falcon from taking off?
Mario Badia They placed a tracking beacon on the Falcon and let them go so they could follow them to Yavin 😝
“It’s like poetry, it rhymes”
Dread StarZ I quite agreee
When Hellogredo uploads a new video:
Rebel trooper: Princess, what have they sent us?
Leia: *Hope*
The TPM haters were just as bad and rude as TLJ are today not that they can’t hate the movie they are just very toxic about it
Michael McGrath You literally just proved his point!
@@iandavis4213 And he says *_we're_* the dumb ones...
It's so fascinating seeing the parallels between there and how. Such an original and interesting video idea
I don't know why but the little blurbs with facts from the era really make this feel way higher in production quality, whether or not it actually is. Love the work as always HG, keep it up.
Any film can be nitpicked or torn apart. I tend to focus on the things I like about all the Star Wars films.
A & A Mold and Allergy I tried to do that for The Last Jedi but I honestly didn’t enjoy it. The music and snoke scenes were cool
@@luisvillasenor6310 I just hope those who didn't enjoy TLJ enjoy Episode 9. Trying to be positive! Lol.
Yay! I agree! I think there's a lot to love about even the "worst" Star Wars movies. Even Attack of the Clones had the awesome Kamino stuff and the Geonosis arena fight.
@@aamoldandallergy5326 I hope so, too. I did enjoy TLJ, but I also see it for the very derailing effect it had on what could have been a good trilogy. I'll go and see Ep. IX, and hope that it will be enjoyable, but at this point, I really don't see it being much more than damage control, rather than a film to be enjoyed. It has always been my tradition since I was 8 in '77 to go and see Star Wars films at least once on the big screen (that even included the animated Clone Wars movie which was the pilot for the awesome tv series that followed).
@@swishfish8858 AotC *also* established that Padme Amidala has the cutest little butt in the Star Wars universe. (Seconded only by Jyn Erso in Rogue One.) 😀 I also loved the very epic ground battle after the Arena fight.
I love going back and looking at forum posts from before I was born (the year 2000) and when I was young (the 2000s). It is just so fascinating to see the internet world I was so ignorant to at the time, and how similar it is to today. Just fascinating.
Your presentation is well-researched, well-spoken, and professional. I got pulled into the outrage machine earlier this year. I've just about had enough of the outrage channels, words/phrases such as "SJW", "shill", "true fan", "ruined Star Wars", "Ruin Johnson", etc. I originally hated TLJ but have grown to love it. It's not perfect but I've found things to appreciate. And thanks for keeping the video to under 12 minutes instead of rambling like a maniac for 30 minutes...and for not mentioning Brie Larson.
I love it too
Hear hear!!!
“I’ve force fed myself so much I’m starting to like it”
My parents are oldschool Star Wars fans, fans since 1977. They liked TLJ.
@@GlitteringToothpaste “I’ve force fed myself so much I’m starting to like it” Actually, I've only seen it twice all the way through. I have a different experience and perspective with TLJ. I decided to see it once and then just let it sit for over a year and process it. I recently watched it a second time just two months ago. If I force-fed myself anything, it was online discussions and going over my own thoughts. Obviously, all sides of the discussion have their biases, so after having enough of that, I just decided to sit down with TLJ for a second time and make up my own mind about it. I think the online discussions helped me go into it as neutral as possible a second time because since I had pretty much EVERY perspective and opinion in my head by that time, they all canceled each other out, and I could just watch it with no biases.
1999 - Fans : The phantom menace ruined Star Wars.
2018 - Fans - We love The Phantom Menace, The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars.
Shows you how badly the last Jedi betrayed the fans. Phantom menace>TLJ all day.
2030-Fans : We love The Last Jedi, (insert newest installment at the time here) ruined Star Wars.
Jordan Carcutt I won’t be watching Star Wars in 2030 lmao, I won’t be watching episode 9 this year either. I don’t care anymore.
Jordan Carcutt unless the whole new cast dies except for bb8 and he goes on to make a galaxy spanning droid empire I’m not interested.
@@GlitteringToothpaste Your loss...
It's been 20 years and George Lucas is a flawed human like the rest of us. It's time to realise that, move on and stop hating. It's _not_ cool.
Hear, hear!
Stuart Lugsden I don’t think Greedo was hating. I think it was more just pointing out something to public.
@@IsaacV24 I wasn't talking about Greedo. I was talking about people like Michale Mcgrath.
Stuart Lugsden You know the saying “Don’t feed the trolls”? Let’s not do that for this guy. Let’s just ignore him and let him go to obscurity.
I still like the prequels and I never will but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to bash them and give George Lucas death threats and stuff like people are doing for the last Jedi which by the way I actually liked
A very high quality video Greedo. Especially liked the random 1999 facts!
Someone out there has lightning reflexes. I tapped the notification as fast as I could and the video already has a like.
This video gives me hope for the fandom in a weird way. Knowing that the discourse has always been contentious is pretty comforting. And to see exactly what’s shown in the video displayed in the comment section is pretty incredible. If the fandom was always like this, it goes to show that Star Wars is alive and well, you guys. Not amount of arguing can kill a franchise this special.
Siah Humphrey what’s special? The fans are neurotic and vile since always
Hero of Trains Star Wars is special. I guess I didn’t make that clear.
Siah Humphrey you did. I’ve loved SW for decades, but the hatred in it is too much.
*when the next wave of fandom hate comes in*
"Aw shit, here we go again..."
Hey Greedo if you’re watching this, I love your content in the past couple weeks just know someone loves it
Great point at the end about monetization. Hate gets views and money. That's why a bunch of the anti-Star Wars channels have jumped into the anti-Brie Larson and anti-Game of Thrones circlejerks. They need something else to generate revenue until The Rise of Skywalker gets closer, at which point we will see another rise in videos bashing on it, as well as people like Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, etc.
Even though Game of Thrones does suck. Seriously the writing is beyond awful.
Well if there’s a large audience for hate to the point that it’s getting monetized then don’t you think people really hate said thing, and that something is probably wrong with it? Otherwise it wouldn’t be getting so much hate and views lol.
Giann 3250 In the case of Brie Larson, no since the hate is due to manufactured propaganda and white male fragility. People on the internet love to comb through a persons' past with a fine microscope for anything to use against them. That's how James Gunn got fired.
Giann 3250 Nothing is wrong with hating a piece of media, but no, a bunch of videos being made about it doesn't mean something is wrong with it. For example, most of the complaints about Game of Thrones boil down to "it's not the books" and "it's not what I wanted to happen". Then they use terms like bad writing and objectively bad as a cop out to make their complaints sound better, without actually providing anything meaningful.
@@jpp4566 Most of those videos are just elaborate essays nitpicking on one issue. Just one. Imagine 10 minutes of saying the exact same thing, but in a thousand different ways. That's what they are.
I will never forget how pumped i was for this film when it came out. From the very beginning i knew something wasn't right. By the time it ended i was so disappointed. Even today i can't get away with TPM but i have to admit the trilogy got better as it went on and i loved Revenge of the Sith.
I can't be the only person who feels like the prequels have jumped in popularity only because of the memes?
The kids who grew up with them, know learned to use the internet for content creation. I would have loved those memes as a child. Back then I knew every line of the prequels and I felt so alone...
Lol... it has to be popular in the first place to be formed into a meme. Wether it’s negative or positive popularity. The prequels have always been popular that’s why memes have come out of them
And I think you’re wrong actually. The reason why the prequels are so popular nowadays in my opinion is because of the younger generation (people around my age) when the prequels first came out I was pretty young and loved the movies. Ep 3 is what got me into Star Wars and is my fav Star Wars movie. However I was young and so did not have a voice in my opinion. Most fans of the original trilogy were considered the “fanbase” per se since they were the older Star Wars fans during the prequel trilogy era. Since they were the voice of the fanbase most OT fans didn’t like the prequels since they were vastly different from the OT. Once prequels fans grew up (which is now) we are older and have a voice in our opinion. This is why you’re seeing a rise in popularity of the prequel trilogy, and a split in the fanbase.
I know the prequels had a lot of flaws, but I grew up with them and still are my favourite movies.
The issue with the new trilogy is that it caters and grabs source material from the original trilogy. Dated movies that we have experienced before, people that enjoy TFA and TLJ I assume are OT fans that have grown up with those movies, so this new trilogy evokes that nostalgic emotion that is familiar to them. But they are very dissimilar to the prequel trilogy and that’s why fans of the prequel trilogy like me don’t enjoy them as much. There’s no pleasing everyone honestly, ep 9 has to be a perfect mix of OT and prequel trilogy to make people happy which will be very hard to pull off. Most Star Wars fans honestly only enjoy Star Wars movies because they are reminiscent of Star Wars movies they liked as as a kid, literally just playing off nostalgia and emotion.
@@jpp4566 yeah but the younger generation didn't like it either for a long time so it didn't really start until the memes.
Yup. The dialogue is so cheesy you can use almost every line as a meme.
Thank you for mentioning Blockbuster, that a great podcast! Also thank you for the flashback. The pop out references were great for keeping everything in scale.
"Ride the wave and try not to wipe out while doing it" another good quote from HelloGreedo
I find The Phantom Menace entertaining but I do see its problems and wish it was better. Some great scenes surrounded by many dull or terrible scenes. Whenever I watch the movie I can't help but to think what it would be like if George got the help he wanted and obviously needed. He asked but everybody overestimated him.
Yes, TPM was enjoyable....and it could have been better. But it was Star Wars, and it satiated my need for a new Star Wars movie back then, with the promise and fulfillment of a trilogy, culminated by my second favorite Star Wars movie, Revenge of the Sith.
@@martok2112 The worldbuilding in that movie is amazing! So much new stuff. Every single image has so many things going on 😄
@@Nitrobotti I remember when I bought the widescreen VHS of TPM, it had this 20 minute featurette at the end about the making of the film, and one of the artists said he almost cried because there is one establishing shot of the city of Theed that is just way too short, and there is so much going on in that shot. I agree....it is a very beautiful and all to short-lived a shot.
I genuinely miss Lucas now. I'm not blind to the prequel trilogy's many, many flaws but we didn't know how good we had it.
I didn't really dislike it until people told me I was supposed to... And even then, yeah, it definitely paled in quality compared to the original and was Dissapointing in many places, but it still felt like star wars.
"Civility broke down" best HelloGreedo quote I've heard for a while ;)
"The more things change the more they stay the same"?
Great video.
Fandom... fandom never changes.
I liked all Star Wars movies. My least favorite is probably Rogue One. And from what I hear online that is apparently one of the best ? People I talk to in real life didn’t enjoy Rogue One that much and think the new trilogy has been good so far with a few really great characters.
Caden Sutton ) same.
Yeah, I feel pretty much the same...
Eh . Rogue one and solo are tied for my personal favourite ngl .
I think my cup of tea in star wars will be stories not focusing on the Skywalker fam based on that
darth fury I really enjoyed Solo. That might be one of my favorites. I don’t really know what it was about Rogue One. I saw it twice in theater and then once after I bought it. I’ll rewatch it soon and maybe my opinion will change
Caden Sutton Funny enough. When I did Star Wars polls, not many people picked Rogue One or Solo, but they picked more of the new trilogy films. Curious.
Watching through these videos it feels like there's a cycle to each Star Wars release.
1) The hype
2) Positive critical reviews
3) Audience reacts with hate.
4) More negative critical reviews and editorials start appearing.
5) Forums begin filling with arguments from both the love and hate it sides.
6) A new Star Wars film is announced and releases.
7) Suddenly everyone is a lot more nostalgic for the previous film.
Phantom menace has aged ridiculously well. Great film.
(Palpatine voice) It's ironic...
Haha, nope.
It’s aged terribly. The cgi is glaringly bad, especially on blue ray. And the writing is still horrible
This is so unique, you should do more of this
So, Star Wars fans have hated Star Wars since 1983 then......
1dannyefc if Star Wars fans hated Star Wars since 1983 then there would be no more Star Wars by today lol... think about what you’re saying and what’s being shown to you.
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars Fans
Caleb Morgan that’s only because Star Wars fans are very passionate about the franchise, if there’s a sw movie they don’t like obviously it’s going to be a big deal to them. People who aren’t fans of Star Wars don’t really care. So you’re right with what you said, but there’s a simple reason for why that’s true
From a certain point of view...
@@jpp4566 I will say that this is about the only time that I can say I admire sports fans....because even if their team is losing badly, they still stick with their team through thick and thin.
Saw Phantom Menace 8 times as a teen my group of friends did about the same, we had no issues with it didn't even realize how much nerd rage was unleashed.
Since the Phantom Menace and The Last Jedi are pretty much at this point the most hated Star Wars films to date. Someone should do a comparison on which is the lesser of the two evils. What both their strengths and weaknesses are, and which one is the better movie of the two. It would lead to a very interesting discussion.
crashthehedgehog91 Attack of the Clones: Hold my beer
@Astra Verde good point, and knowing some people maybe narcissistic to other fans and calling them stupid for their opinions and actually enjoying the movies
@@rorcknar oh yeah, I forgot about that
crashthehedgehog91 Honestly TLJ can actually work as a movie on its own. TPM doesn’t really work as a movie on its own.
@Astra Verde or you could look at objective things like the writing of the story/characters, quality of the effects, and how it functions on it's own and as part of the larger story of star wars
HelloGreedo is the best Star Wars channel hands down because of videos like this
HelloGreedo, you are the one shining light in all of RUclips. Thank you.
Agreed. I was really getting sick of all the "if you liked The Last Jedi, you're a dumb***" attitude of some other Super RUclips users. Sadly, you cannot reason with them.
Awesome video. I was born in 1998 so I had no chance to catch those discussion. Will go back to those sites now :D
TPM was probably the biggest movie "event" of my life time (other than maybe Independence Day). I feel like there hasn't been a summer dominated like that since 1999.
They hype was awesome... Not to mention "The lord of the rings" was in production. The Matrix was released in 1999 also.
All great times before 911
I feel like the summer of 2005 was highly dominated by movies too.
“I liked the movie when I first saw it too, and for many of the same reasons. The stuff that bugged me snuck up on me after the initial thrill died down.”
This was how I felt after The Last Jedi. I didn’t hate it after my first viewing, though I did still have issues with it, I came out still fairly enjoying it. After a week to think it over, however, I began to notice more of the problems, and after my second viewing, I found myself annoyed rather than enthralled.
Do the same for the rest of the Prequels.
Edit: or just all Star Wars films
It would be cool to do that with every movie.
Movies with Mikey already do that in a two part video
@Michael McGrath Why you here? You ruin the fun of liking the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy.
I'm not able to enjoy The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones like I used to, but good for everyone else that does.
1999 also saw "The Matrix" a big sleeper hit.
Zzygyy I still have not seen that movie. But it’s on my list don’t worry
Funny and sad to see things haven't changed. They are just louder.
...and sometimes, a bit more vulgar or belligerent.
@@martok2112 people need the attention.
@@ExpedienteGonk Agreed.
I wonder if Twitter was around during The Original Trilogy (which was during the Cold War), haters would have said stuff like:
*If you like Star Wars then you support the URSS*
Probably.
"Princess Leia is such a Mary Sue!"; "Luke tried to kill his own father, this is so out-of-character!"; "Lando is obviously an SJW character to force diversity upon us!"; "The stormtroopers wear white armor, this is reverse-racism!"
(just a little bit of "what could have been" :P )
@@AlexeiVoronin it's scary how accurate that turns out to be
@@AlexeiVoronin imagine if they found out Lucas based the empire on the Nixon administration and the rebels on the viet Cong
It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
I rewatched this movie recently, while my opinions have defininently changed, I'm still not a fan of it. But I do think it's incredible how little the fan reception has changed
The question whether or not the SW fandom was destroyed by the sequels has been answered. The SW fandom has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Regarding the critics, I'm particularly impressed by Peter Bradshaw's (4:24). Although I enjoy TPM and the prequel trilogy overall, his critique is really on-point.
From a visual, lighting and composition perspective, I still think it's a masterpiece. Dialog and writing is weak but the tech aspects still blow away most blockbuster movies with far more advanced CGI.
If you don't believe me, watch it again on mute (or with a foreign language audio option) and ask yourself if it doesn't *look* good. I wish Marvel movies were shot that well.
No amount of technical prowess can turn weak dialog and writing into a "masterpiece."
hammerpocket ) it's a film, not a book.
It was a short line but it is a really interesting point that you brought up how monetization influences the type of content people produce these days.
My favorite film in the saga. Th first time I saw SW and it’s my favorite largely due to the nostalgia of that.
@Michael McGrath At least come up with something new, you sound like a Broken Record.
@@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou Pretty sure the banality of his response and the exclamation mark at the end convey that he's joking lol
@@azronger7214 He has been trolling the comments.
@@azronger7214 I'm just not sure at this point.
The Maniacal Force-Wielder I think he was being sarcastic lol
People don’t really care if someone else likes or hates something that they don’t. It’s just that whatever it is that most people end up liking is what they will make more of.
And now the exact same thing is happening with the sequel trilogy. Back then, most diehard fans hated the prequels, but now there is a new appreciation for the prequels, but hate the sequels. It’s something that I think will happen with Star Wars forever, the “fans” will hate them until something new comes and then they deem the old ones as being better and it continues on and on.
I love all of the Star Wars movies, and even though certain movies may not be technically “good”, they still offer me what I like, which is Star Wars action and lore. And even though I love the prequels, it’s obvious that the sequels are better movies from a technical standpoint, from the sets to the dialogue.
Star Wars fans are some of the best and worst fans all in one. They have an extreme love for the franchise, but also hate almost everything new, and it seems to take the younger generation growing up for the older fans to start to see the good in them. The reality is that nothing will ever match the originals. Not only are they masterpieces of cinema, but also a piece of each and every one of our childhoods. Nothing can ever match the feeling of our first time watching those movies. I don’t go to see Star Wars movies for them to match the originals, because that is nearly an impossible task, I simply want to see them expand the franchise in new and interesting directions, something I think both the prequels and sequels(yes even The Last Jedi) do.
It is intelectually dishonest to consider the prequels the exact same thing as the sequels
888nivek I don’t think that obviously. I just was saying that we are going through the same thing today with the sequels as we did with the prequels. In 10-15 years I can guarantee many of the fans who hate them will start to like them more. And as much as I adore the prequels, I grew up on both the OT and PT and watched TCW every episode as a kid, the sequels are clearly superior movies from a technical aspect, in just about every way.
@@Rawbinater of course it was as corporate as a movie could get it
888nivek how was it more corporate than the movies that came before it, disregarding a new hope obviously? They went to every one of these movies knowing it would kill the box office. And from watching all of the behind the scenes, it’s clear so much love and effort was put into these movies
I saw it three times when it came out. I just couldn't like it.
Few times over the years.. I've grown to like it. As for the generational gap, with the fandom. People will like what they like. I like the new stuff just as much as the OT n PT. They are just as flawed as the new ones, and vice versa.
2:48 LMAO at the bottom thread either someone complining or voicing their opinion on representation on star wars a tale as old as time
People who blame Disney for what they claim is the fall of Star Wars so easily forget the Prequels.
Nope. We remember well the 3 sprawling, epic fantasy masterpieces Lucas gave us, warts n all, that's why we're pissed.
@@amaxamon I'm a fan and I'm not pissed at all.
@@AlexeiVoronin If your'e not pissed you're not a fan.
@@amaxamon In my book, a fan is someone who loves something, not someone who hates it (and is pissed about it).
@@AlexeiVoronin Love is what motivates us. Love for the integrity of story. Love for the integrity of characters. Love for consistency and lore. These franchises are dying because the people in control of them don't love them. We know the real thing from a fake. No one who truly loves these things can stand to watch them be mutilated for the love of a lousy buck and the egos of Hollywood hacks.
Perspective is a beautiful thing... 😊
The only review you ever need to read is the one where the guy ended up at home playing with his toys. It's so easy to say what you don't like these days, but that strikes at the heart of why I love Star Wars and I can still feel it from when I was a young boy watching the OT in the 80's.
Walking out of The Phantom Menace was the single most disappointing moment of my life. Walking away from the theater with a group of guys, all of us original fans since 1977, nobody had anything to say. The car ride home was pretty quiet as well, until everyone had been dropped off and it was just me and my brother in law. He turned to me and said, "What the fuck was that?"
Yeah, I'll take the sequel films over the prequels any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
That’s the issue with the movies man you see a split between the fanbase because you grew up with the OT. You were expecting the prequels to be like the old Star Wars you remember, but George Lucas had a different direction/vision and those movies were vastly different.
I grew up with the prequels as a kid. I loved them all, so when I saw TLJ and TFA I experienced exactly what you did when you walked into The phantom Menace. Vastly different (TFA wasn’t too bad tho)
Honestly We will only like Star Wars movies if they played on those old nostalgic emotions we had from our childhood. I really believe this, so the only way I think ep 9 will do good for the fanbase is if it caters to elements of both the original trilogy and sequel trilogy equally.
I remember some of your Prequel Videos Greedo, they were brutal. You could really tell you possessed an intense hatred of them. I mean they are as funny as all get out, but you could tell how disappointed you were with those movies. You have grown and mellowed since then, and have given them their due. You've come a long way sir.
This movie came out when I was 12. I started visiting theforce.net and thought it was SO WEIRD that adults were getting all worked up about things they didn't like about TPM. As a kid, I could say, "um it's just a movie, it's not perfect, let's just enjoy it for what it is." Probably there are 12 yr olds now shaking their heads at all the Last Jedi controversy. I basically went on the forums to chat about what might happen in Episode II, and talk about the books in the EU!
I was a member there, I remember some Exar Kun fanboy would outright threatening to "force choke" anyone who liked tpm
I remember being so disappointed at the end of that movie. We had a friend who kept saying, "yeah but I bet when you see all the films from this trilogy as a whole, it will be great". That never happened.
Yes I've seen it two more times once it came out and of course I was one of the first to see it so had no idea what to expect, and I wanted to like it, but was unable to.
I'm just here to pick on those that didn't like Jar Jar.
"Jar Jar is the key to all of this." ~George Lucas
In my eyes, the only difference between Star Wars fandom of yesterday vs Star Wars fandom of today is that I'm 20 years older and I'm tired of everyone on forums and youtube brandishing their toy lightsabers over whether or not Latest Movie was good.
My feelings exactly. It's amazing to think that there was a time when people could like or dislike a movie without having to fight everyone in a hundred-mile radius about it ;)
Thank you Greedo yes im remember those days Post-ROTS Though
I wouldn’t be surprised if, twenty years from now, people suddenly started appreciating the Disney Star Wars movies like they’ve started appreciating the prequels recently
Here is a very scaled down synopsis of the negative reactions to all the movies: Star Wars (aka A New Hope): a dog man with no pants, goofy dialog, this isn't science fiction. The Empire Strikes Back: they screwed up the force and put a muppet in my Star Wars and Vader is a liar! The Return of the Jedi: Ewoks? More Muppets? Luke and Leia are twins? WTF! The Phantom Menace: a little kid, Jar Jar, politics? The Clone War: So much CGI my eyes hurt, horrendous dialog, creepy Anakin. The Revenge of the Sith: wow he flipped easy, clunky, Nooooooooooooooooo! The Force Awakens: rehash, Mary Sue much?, SJW ruining my Star Wars! The Last Jedi: Not my Luke! Clunky writing. They ruined my Star Wars. The Rise of Skywalker: Blah Blah Blah.
Ironically, Luke was a bit of a Mary Sue in the OT, but no one wants to admit it :D
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Wow... Nearly 20 years... So we already way past the time where more years had passed from Jedi to the next film, I was 16 when this came out and gagging for more star wars
Michale Mcgrath loves Phantom Menace.
I'm just commenting here to see if anything happens......
@@lukerope1906 He's been here but he ignored me.
Stuart Lugsden You know the saying “Don’t feed the trolls”? I don’t think we should be feeding him any attention.
3:37
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
We all have our favorite star wars films for our personnal reasons. We all like something different about star wars. For some it's the characters, for some the battles, for some the world, for some the music and I can go on forever with that. My favorite Star Wars movie is return of the jedi and I know that it's not even in the top 3 for most people. If you don't like a movie, that's fine but be civilized and talk about the actual cinematic flaws of the movie. Each star wars movie is flawed in my opinion even empire.
Yeah maybe thats the reason why star wars keep staying for the last 40: it has something for everybody. When you watch a Chris Nolan you already expect a ambitous craft story with underdevelop characters, when watch a Quentin Tarantino film you already expect stories that sound boring on papper but he makes it entertaining because of His weirdo characters. So you can't ask for strong characters in a Nolan film because he Will always focus on the story, while you can't ask for better stories in a Tarantino film because he Will always focus on strange situations. With star wars if you want fun and adventure you can watch the original trilogy, the sequels, and even all the battlefront games (even if most of them aren't good), if you want a More detail story you can watch the prequels, the clone wars show and the knight of the old republic game. Its like the message from the lego movie, you don't need an instruction book to built what you like and feel what Is awesome, you don't need to be the bad guy of the story, look at all the amazing and diferent stuff everybody can make and all because everyone Is the special one.
I was 23 when The Phantom Menace first came out. I knew when it started that it was going to be something different.
I'm a Prequel Apologist and I'm proud. It's objectively a good movie. Interesting seeing people's thoughts back then
The Bossk Subjectively*
I think it's objectively good. How people feel and interpret them will always be subjective though. And I'm fine with that. But if you disagree Id like to hear your thoughts and insights on it.Whether your saying all movies are subjective, or if you think it's objectively bad
The Bossk you think it’s objectively good? That doesn’t make sense, if you have a personal opinion of a movie that’s defined as subjective lol
Giann 3250 Well people have a subjective opinion on the Earth being flat and murder being ok. So is there no objective truth about these things? Of course not. I'm saying despite my feelings on the films they are objectively good. Just like I can say the Earth is round, even though that is my subjective opinion.
The Bossk we have factual evidence to prove earth round from research and evidence. That’s why it is an objective fact. There’s no “fact” about something as subjective as a movie, everyone can like or dislike elements about it and that all comes down to personal taste/interest. To say “you think think something is objective” upon which there is no underlying factual base is a very contradictory statement, because again having a thought about something is an opinion. Let alone ignorant to other people’s tastes on said thing.
They're right about laziness, taking fans for granted, and being more interested in merchandising.
The last jedi of its time
not that bad. still bad though
Oh boy . Incoming "tpm didn't ruin star wars but tlj definitely did" comments
I don't think that The Phantom Menace was on the same level of disaster as The Last Jedi, none of the Prequels are on that level.
Phantom Menace is no where near as awful as Last Jedi.
Atleast Phantom Menace despite it's issue's was George's personal hope and dream and made the movie the way he wanted it with passion and love of the people who made it too while The Last Jedi is a cold calculated corporate mess trying to come off as genuine.
@@LunarPictures called it !
These reviews are very on point, even for the time - immediately after TPM came out it was divisive, but for the press to be perfectly in tune with the lacking quality in the movie is impressive
Actually was re-watching The Phantom Menace on TV a while ago I get holds up better than the new one
Can’t believe that was 20 years ago now
Raise the alarm!!!
A massive wave of members of the Geeks and Gamers cult are coming to defend their god Jeremy!!!
C'mon, now. Let's not get all "fan vs fan" about this. 😊 Jeremy and his compadres are as passionate about Star Wars as we are...and I can see many of their points of view. Jeremy, if anything, is a bit more flexible when it comes to Star Wars than most of the others he commiserates with. He loved the prequels, he liked The Force Awakens. Like myself, he even had high hopes for Star Wars under Disney. Everything for him seemed to come crashing down with The Last Jedi, and, quite honestly, with the classless antics of Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson. (I will agree that Kennedy and Johnson have been very antagonistic toward old-school fans...and the ire they receive from the fans is far from undeserved.)
If there is only one really bad thing I can say about the whole deal is that they do seem to have the "more fan than thou" mentality that drove me away from fandom in 2003 with Battlestar Galactica.
May the Force Be With You. 😊
There's nothing wrong with him and his supporters going after SJWs.
@@finchborat Agreed! 110%!
The GeeksClassMediaPro Secrets Cult’s definition of SJW.
Anybody who genuinely enjoys even just a tiny bit of anything they consider “woke” even if they just enjoyed it for the story and not because the lead role was a Wahman or anything like that.
@@roblosonic505 I will largely agree with that. As much as I think Jeremy is a pretty cool guy, he and his compadres will generally *refuse* to answer anyone who tries to present a reasoned, and friendly rebuttal to their generalizations of any fans who have a different view point. That is indeed sad. What I find so amusing is that someone can post a 5 to 30 minute video, ranting about what they hate about something, and yet they'll ignore a point-for-point rebuttal, usually citing the ol' "TL;DR" excuse....even if in that rebuttal, the responder acknowledges that there are many, many flaws in The Last Jedi, and that it does indeed throw what could have been a good trilogy (if not a great one) off track.
The people wanted The Phantom Menace to give them their childhood back, but it was already gone.
Watch any Star Wars movie with a child. He knows they have awkward moments. He doesn't care, he loves them.
Watch them with a grown up. He complaints, but he will never be happy, even though he says he is a fan.
Star Wars - Masterpiece
The Empire Strikes Back - Masterpiece
Return of the Jedi - Amazing
The Phantom Menace - Good
Attack of the Clones - Alright
Revenge of the Sith - Good
The Force Awakens - Amazing
Rogue One - Decent
The Last Jedi - Spectacular
Solo - Awesome and extremely underrated
The Blue Gangsta hehehehhehe I see your opinion and think.....mmm won’t fight you, I will
@@aames1089 a wise decision 😂😂😂
I would personally swap TLJ AND ROS in your list but everything else is good
I would change Force Awakens to abomination and Rogue One to amazing
@@tobysullivan3510 jeez, you don't need to go insane
First time seeing the Jedi in their full glory and that amazing lightsaber sword play makes it all worth it in my book.