The Troubled Origins of the Miami Grand Prix
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- The Miami Grand Prix looks freakin' cool as an event...but it didn't have the easiest of births...
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imagine Spa being thrown of the calendar because it can't fund it , but tracks like this are on the calendar...
spa being thrown out could anger the core fanbase. Why cant liberty fund it instead, like they do with vegas? oh wait, clout chasers
The Miami race is promoted by FOM, so there is no sanctioning fee unlike Spa. Events like Melbourne still pay a $35m USD sanctioning fee (more than Spa's $20m USD), of which $15m AUD is subsidised by the state government. It seems that FOM are hedging their bets on whether Spa or Kyalami can offer more money for them, before deciding on which race of the two to put on the calendar. Such greed from FOM is unfortunate, of course.
That moment when a “street circuit” is not on streets and is just a mediocre race track in a parking lot
I think they tried that before in vegas
@@shamsuddinkamalwala1176yup, Caesars Palace. It was a disaster to say the least
Well it’s the most Florida thing ever. We love racing on parking lots here. Some of my favorite tracks are now literal parking lots for rental cars and storage
*we also love abandoned neighborhoods and airports
Right cause your obviously from Miami or went last year
The USA only has 90° turns and straight lines... it's the best they could
"They added 3000 seats." Let me draw your attention to Zandvoort, back on the F1 calendar in 2021 after 40+ years of absence. Because of covid restrictions, they 'only' admitted 70.000 people. 2022, the restrictions had been lifted, it was flat sold out for the 105.000 people allowed onto the grounds. If Zandvoort can sell 35.000 extra tickets, Miami should have no problems selling 3000 extra.
There are 2 things here. Ticket pricing and also that for the $$ this year they also have Las Vegas, which granted is a much more fun city than Miami. And if you want a proper race with a circuit there is COTA which is an awesome experience and has been selling out consistently and the prices are more manageable. All that said F1 is expensive in the US.
There is a massive difference between the Netherlands and Miami though. The 2 time defending world driver's champion is Dutch.
@@MarianoLu Maybe, but that just proves the point that tickets are way too expensive in Miami, doesn't it?
I think Melbourne this year sold nearly haf a billion tickets to the weekend. Miami can just bugger off.
@@SRFriso94 that's the first thing I noticed. COTA seems like the best value
The funniest thing about the noise complaints is that, the circuit is right next to a like 10 lane highway, thats a lot more noise every day of the year instead of a one weekend event.
American city design lmao
It's just to find a point that is assailable. If everything is to be logical, we wouldn't be sitting here wondering why we still don't have a German GP.
@@jkliao6486 There's no wondering, they cut Hockenheim's balls off so everyone stopped turning up to watch.
@@fix0the0spade The German drivers stopped winning races and miraculously everyone stopped showing up. It's like English F1 commentators moaning back in the early 2000s when there were "only" 2-3 British drivers and none of them were winning.
@@n8pls543 That doesn't really hold true, the numbers fell sharply after Hockenheim was modified. Michael was still winning then, then Vettel and Rosberg came along after. Numbers dropped because Hockenheim was all about those long straights and the jeopardy of who will and won't blow an engine. Take that away and it's just another Tilkedrome.
The Porsches racing during the same event were louder than the F1 cars
Here's a comparison.
I paid $150 for TWO GRANDSTAND TICKETS at Turn 2 for the Indianapolis 500. The view was AMAZING and it was the greatest experience ever!!!
I paid the same amount of money for quali in Saudi this year, only the quali...did I get ripped off?
@@GameOver-nm2us if it was only for quali then yes
@@ErikZarins goddamit, there goes my money :(
@@GameOver-nm2us yeah my tickets were race day
Close to price of COTA in 2019, then covid and drive to survive happened...
We have heard that Miami ticket sales is only at 65%. Also ticket resellers can’t clear their tickets also, and prices still dropping. You can go to the race and be right across from the start line for under $150 USD right now
There's been huge marketing campaign of emails & even phone calls from promoters desperately selling final tickets this week. Hilarious compared to last years hype
Still way too high. GA ticket in Imola (with way more support races) is 90€
The developing global recession is starting to (unsurprisingly) have an impact on F1 ticket sales. Though I agree the ticket prices for Miami are ridiculously high.
And Vegas isn't going to be any less ourageous. COTA is the best of the 3 current American racetracks, and if Vegas and Miami stop COTA from becoming any more of a spectacle than it already is, that might be a good thing for the F1 scene in America. The 'influencers' can clog up Miami and Vegas like they do at Monaco, just leave COTA for actual F1 fans.
$650 for a GA shocked me... then I remember that when the proposed F1 race in New Jersey was floated, my friend was expecting GA here to be $350. Add in the fact that it's about 10 years later, the recession cranking up prices on everything, and the fact that it IS still basically in Miami, as opposed to on city streets of another state than the city it'd probably be linked to... it doesn't feel as high anymore. Like if it was $550, I would've just gone "Hmmm... yeah, sounds about right".
But now they're jacking up prices AGAIN? Yeah, this is gonna start turning into Super Bowl levels of pain soon.
@@jedknight4389 COTA is a hoot. I love it. Height differences, multiple racing lines, great atmosphere…
Greetings from 🇳🇱
You're all looking at it wrong. That would totally help the authenticity of a GP in the US. Sprinkle some tents and muttering homeless people around the track.
@@jedknight4389 I love COTA, but how can you argue it's better than a circuit that nobody has even raced on yet?
Miami local here, I went to the race last year. Purchased 4-day grandstands in the Marina through F1 experiences.
I enjoyed the race and the amenities, however, it was definitely a one and done ordeal for me. I spent $2k for each ticket. It was just a once in a life time experience to go a debut race in my hometown so I bit the cost.
Did I have fun? Very much so. Will I go again to a Miami race? No.
There’s just a lot more that proper circuit can offer, as well as having a genuine crowd, most of those in attendance were just there for the hype.
How'd you find the organization? I was in Monza last year and it was a shit show
The ticket broker I spoke to told that Monza organisation is one of the worst on the calendar. It is better to get general admission for there. I went to Saudi GP in March and I was so shocked at the organisation, it was perfect, no long queues, free water and concerts after the race. 3 day main grandstand tickets with parking included cost me £300
@@IshyD2K9Blad damn that's good although I'm in Ireland so Saudi is a big trip for me haha
People who could afford are primarily there for clout (proceeds to insert clip of James Cordon) XDDDDD Everybody Liked That.
4:40 That's just MONACO! Miami-co! Speaking of, I feel that Liberty want to make Miami the new Monaco and shove Monte Carlo into history.
Except the only reason why anyone cares about Monaco is history and legacy. Fake American glitz and glamour doesn't make up for that.
@@areebsiddiqui758 But most people don't care about Monaco. It's just an excuse for business deals and a way for Monaco to pull in tourism dollars from ultra-wealthy. It stopped being a race in the 90s. Now it's just a glorified time trial. Say waht you will about Miami, but by default it has to produce better racing than Monaco because the cars literally don't fit on the streets of Monaco anymore.
@@simracing4simpletons978 While what you say about Monaco is true, at least you get the vistas and the tight corners and, as areebsddiqui758 said, the history. Not the goddamn parking lot of a stadium with yachts on fake water for crying out loud. This whole Liberty era has been a boon for the sport but has really taken a bit of the soul out of it.
@@simracing4simpletons978 nah Monaco has it’s fans. I like it. It’s an anomaly, has history and looks cool having F1 cars drive around downtown like that.
Thing is that Monaco has earned that anomaly and needs to stay that way. These other street circuits to challenge it ruin it. Street circuits generally suck, and I rather have more tracks challenge Silverstone, Spa or Suzuka.
I don’t see how people think that Miami is what they trying to replace Monaco with. Bernie was pretty open that he wanted Singapore to replace it. And I think Liberty want Vegas to replace it.
Personally F1 as a brand needs Ferrari, Silverstone, Monza and Monaco as a constant at all cost. I get the recent sentiment behind Suzuka, Spa and Interlagos. Not sure why some new fans want to totally get rid of the History part. I’m totally down for the Netflix stuff, social media part and new places to race, that aren’t in the Middle East. I get 1 or 2 Middle East races, but 4? It’s too out of the way for most fans.
At least in Monaco the marina isn't fake.
0:41 “Don’t think that the Miami grand prix and everything about it was perfect”
Damn i … never thought that, at all
What will be interesting for future races is that the Brightline High Speed railroad will be running to Orlando. It will be interesting to see if this will have an impact on attendance
We need 2 lists of circuits. Fan circuits and corporate ones. In Montreal grandstand tickets cost A LOT but during every session except the race we could sit wherever we wanted, check out the action from different angles and we could bring in a cooler bag with drinks and food although the food and drink prices weren't that bad. After the race everyone walks the track and while some people run to the podium the rest of the people just walk around one direction or the other for fun. I didn't mind spending the money because it was a great time and they weren't dumping out my water bottles or money gouging me at every opportunity.
Damn... 2 videos in 2 days .. guess we won't see you till after summer break now 😉
I attended the Saturday in 2022, and after having been to COTA twice, I can tell you the ONLY thing making this race less attractive is the pricing. The venue is way more prepared for mass population events (being it’s taking place on the grounds of a stadium that also hosts mass population events). The food pricing was not extraordinary (think your average stadium pricing) and I was in a grandstand going into pit entrance. Each grandstand had a fan zone that had fire rescue/paramedics, fan experiences, and water stations (which COTA never had!) all in all, it is an experience. But it is expensive. I enjoyed it when I went
That's actually good to hear, at least the fans had fun
@@JoshuaC923 it was a good overall experience, but I also went for free so I really didn’t feel the pressure of doing everything in my power to justify the expense, I just went and took my time and did my own thing.
@@390razr oh i see!
Fun fact: The Homestead Miami Speedway’s street address is One Ralph Sanchez. I’ve always wondered who he was but never had bothered to look it up even after many trips to the track lol.
Love the history n info in this one Josh, especially of the indy car footage. Brings back childhood memories of when i saw those waterfront downtown races as a kid! Still remember riding on the elavated people mover and looking down in awe at the cars screaming by below!
I attended last year and definitely spent way more than I needed to. On two grandstand tickets plus travel and stay I ended up spending a little over 7k lol. An awesome experience but there's a reason why I'm not going again this year lol
If you rotate the layout of the track 180 degrees, It looks like a 🐊
it always bites.....for all the wrong reason.
(Sorry, can't think of a good joke)
It looks like someone sat on Interlagos.
@@scsutton1 it's a Miami thing, you wouldn't understand 🤪
Another key thing is that Miami dolphins owner Stephen Ross was another key party looking to buy F1 in 2015 competing against liberty, it's long been rumoured that a sideline deal was agreed for race around hard rock stadium as Miami beach was never viable. It's turned into a huge money maker for him by not pushing up price of F1up further in his bidding war. Also it's a 10 year deal which says a lot as they've always been rare af when it was signed.
Forget Miami, what about Kyalami? Bring it back here!
I'm not sure if you forgot about this but in between all of this was the Homestead Miami Speedway which opened in 1995. It was the host to many events incuding the Indycar series, NASCAR, the FIA GT Championship, the F4 US Championship, and the Trans Am Series. It started out as a 1.5 mile clone of Indianapolis but was eventually reconfigured into an oval shape and its banking was increased to 20 degrees.
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Just recently went to the Acura Grand Prix of Long Beach. $184 for Grandstand Reserved Seating the entire 3 day weekend. Indycar, IMSA, Historic F1 cars, Porsche GT3 Cup, Stadium Super Trucks and Formula Drift. Much more bang for your buck.
As someone who is born and raised in Miami it’s great to have a race that us Floridians can go to especially now we have Logan on the grid. But it seems to be such a money grab from F1 promoters charging ridiculous prices for average seats. I know many people bought tickets thinking they could resell them because last year the tickets sold out very quickly. But that’s ruined the market for actual F1 fans it’s a normal race just as any other but just because it’s in Miami doesn’t mean it should be as expensive or more expensive then races like Monaco. It’s a soulless race but I believe could be changed by Lessening the dependence on all the extremely expensive viewing experiences.
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Just throwin out banger after banger of videos Josh, thanks!!!
As a seasoned F1 fan I do call Aston Martin "Aston Martin" since Lawrencel is the boss of Aston Martin roadcars as well.
But I do still call Alpine Renault, Alpha Tauri Torro Rosso and I will absolutely continue to call Alfa Romeo Sauber
As a person who was at practice yesterday I can confirm that there was so many people there yesterday way too many for Friday. Everybody thought it was Reese day because it was over 150,000 people for a practice session compared to last year. It was nothing.
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I had go back and listen to it again. I didn't think I'd hear about Kai Tak airport in an F1 video. I'm old enough to still remember that dangerous smelly airport lol. Thank god for the new one.
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My two cousins went last year and are avid motorsports fans. NASCAR, Indycar, IMSA, you name it, they've been to many races for each. From a racing standpoint, they said it was lackluster but as for the experience, they said it was something they had never experienced. Called it "a massive party with a giant racetrack attached to it." Seems like it would be fun to go to once, but from a racing standpoint, I'd much rather go to other tracks. Hopefully, this year will be much better for racing.
Thats why they didnt go to other permanent tracks. They wanted to add thier hype, parties, and experiences.
Vegas is just vegas, no reason to make an interest track the place sells itself
There is not one single aspect of the Miami weekend that appeals to me.
he has a direct line to my funny bone "you want a grand stand ticket? forget about that bruh"
i still can't get over the fact that the gardeners said that the f1 cars would cause HEARING LOSS. goes to show those people had literally no idea what they were talking about, just heard "cars?? going fast??" and had their narrative
0:48 Josh with 2 consecutive videos with aviation references....McDonnell Douglas in the sausage kerb video, now this
I'm 38, so 3 decades following F1. I've seen the sport embaress itself chasing a US audience before, I'm sure I will again.
Also, the intro has made me want to go and play GTA Vice City and watch Scarface. Miami has a vibe.
I live a days drive from Vegas, was so excited when I saw they were getting a GP, that was until the prices came out. It’d be cheaper for me to drive for days out to Austin, and those tickets are already decently expensive
The prices for Las Vegas are even more ridiculous. Take a look at that bs. Crazy. I work 60+hours a week and have always watched F1, live in the US, and can't afford to go to any of our events. It sucks!
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I remember the protests against the race and seeing people against it because of "air pollution." There is an international airport and almost as many power boats as cocaine users in that city. Miami is great but if I am going to spend money on a race in the US, I'm going to Austin.
That is why I hate people, especially the stupid ones.
while the ticket prices in miami are high, it's quickly becoming the most affordable and most enjoyable race to go to in the states. ticket prices at the 2023 USGP are up nearly 50% compared to 2021, and because of COTA's location you're forced to fly into one major airport and stay in downtown austin at 3-4x hotel or airbnb rates and take a $150 shuttle that last year took 2+ hours of waiting in line just to board a bus to the track on race day. in contrast, the miami GP is situated in the middle of two major airports and several major south florida towns with plenty of accommodation, all easily accessible to the track via free shuttles that rarely have any wait times. while the on track action might not be as exciting, the overall race weekend experience in miami is certainly worth the (only slightly this year) higher price tags.
Liberty has created a Coachella for the motoring world. High ticket prices are part of the branding strategy
Area 27 Circuit. Designed by Jacques Villneuve and one amazing track!
Still waiting for ticket prices to go down so I can fuckin go to the race
Best part of the several-thousand-dollars per-ticket-yachts is food and drink are NOT included.
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My brother was just signed by the Dolphins. Never thought I'd be able to go to this race, but I'm crossing my fingers for next year lol
Wasn’t expecting a Kai Tak reference tbh
Ngl, I love the F1 car shrub.
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My group that I’ve been talking with decided it’s way over priced this years was going to be $1,500-$2,000 for the same exact seats. We are hoping however that 2024 will be back to normal and hopefully cheaper
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Factoring in price of flight+hotel+tickets it just gets so damn expensive. Maybe I’ll go one year though, seems like a good time
that kai tak airport reference is niche lmao
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That is some crazy prices for the General Admission areas. I found that when going to the F1 races at Indy the hotels had one price for race fans and a different price for everyone else. The race fans had to pay a lot more for a room.
This year was my second year, and for Friday and Saturday marina grand stand tickets I payed around $200. Sunday was more, however one of the things I learned is you can valet at the Hardrock and bus over which was cheap, so that was a nice parking workaround
Not gonna talk about the vid, since, yknow, it's Miami, but instead Imma say I'm happy every time Josh makes an aviation reference :)
Jokes aside, great vid.
1:33 Ah yes, the International Marijuana Smugglers Association
Now THAT is surprising! Now I've been to Florida before and the humid was horrid however the fact that you clarified is more clarifiable = understanding why they did what they did even after getting so caught up to the point where they had to do "SOMETHING"! Other than that I loved your video & I'm glad you made such a great but troubled orgin of Miami's Prix. Would you make a international troubled prix video? If not I'd understand :)
What’s a bummer to me is we live relatively nearby and passes were so expensive we never had a chance to go. Why have 3 in the US if only the same rich people can afford to go to the 3 races not locals?
Remember when Indycar attempted to have a street race in Boston, and how that whole thing fell apart before it could even happen? That was a mess and a half.
That shit doesn’t happen in Long Beach . I’ve never heard someone complain.
3:30 this layout would have been just a few blocks from my place! Would have been amazing ngl.
Vegas GP will require to sell a generation
i agree wholeheartedly with Lewis's remark about drivers not getting consulted but he's wrong. He's driven on a track designed by racing drivers. The current Albert Park layout was designed by Mark Scaife, multiple winner of the supercars championship. But it stands still that if supercars is smart enough to listen to drivers, why isn't F1?
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Tickets down to $350 for the weekend this week which is cool. Hopefully that becomes the average if not lower
I had general admission tickets for 2022 for Saturday and….. it was A LOT more than $600😭
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I actually went to the race last year. It was pretty cool it was super freaking hot. There was no shade. I only went for the Sunday because I wasn’t gonna spend all that money but I do have to say you don’t really get to see the track because the grandstands are everywhere so even though you just have a general admission you end up just watching it in the stadium because that’s the only place you can watch it.
I live in Tampa, roughly 4-5 hours from Miami and I honestly think I will save money going to COTA in Texas, than going to a race in Miami.
I want to Miami in 2022 grandstand seats pretty solid view but you had a workaround for 40 minutes to get to your seats. Overpriced food as usual but a cool view of the helipad right behind grandstand
I get horrible feeling that the organisers would rather cancel the race all together than drop the prices. hope I'm wrong tho, even if the track sucks, Miami is vibes.
Living in FL and loving F1 had me really wanting to go to the Miami race but those tickets prices are so unreasonable. Instead my gf and I went on a 10 day cruise and watched it on TV while on the cruise. I think I won in this situation. Live events are cool and all but watching the F1 race on a luxurious cruise... Hard to beat and 💯 Recommend.
Ah, yes, IMSA... The International Marijuana Smuggling Association
At least I have the Coronation Concert to look forward to on Sunday.
You should make a video on Wade Cunningham, possibly the unluckiest Indycar driver in history. (Plus he's Kiwi too!)
They decided to paint an entire blank canvas with blue paint and boats, completely disregarding racing potential.
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I went to the race last year and it felt like a forza horizon festival so that was cool. The race itself was meh but not as bad as was portrayed on tv with the broadcasters missing out on a handful of midfield battles. As for transportation and hotels I had no problems surprisingly, I was staying in an airbnb about 25 mins north of Miami and just took a bus right into the venue. I think they have lots to improve on but definitely not as bad as people make it out to be.
Oh and they need to get rid of the yachts
my dad was in the Mercedes lounge at the Miami Grand Prix this year! he saw Jake Paul, lewis Hamilton, vin diesel it is cool he said.
If this whole project does end up being a total failure in the end they have 1 more option to keep a race in Miami. Race on the oval at Homestead-Miami Speedway and have the first oval on the F1 calendar since the Indy 500 was technically a part of the F1 championship in the past lol.
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Re ticket prices I can't wait for your Vegas vid 😂
I watched so many videos from you and they're all good. So I don't know why the fuck I never subscribed, so I did now
I went to one of these Indy races in Miami as a boy.
Only 14 people coming to a race? Wow
all i want to know, is there water now?
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The land of the free? xDDD
That's some good comedy right there
I think F1 got a little too boring right now, I have a suggestion to make it a little more interesting reverse qualifications results for Street Circuit such as Monaco, Azerbaijan and Singapore so if you get the pole position during qualifications you are going to be placed at the back of the pack at the start of the race, if you finished 2nd you are 2nd to last at the start of the race and so forth until 10th positions and the reverse would also be applicable, for instance qualify 20th you get 1st position and the start of the race (the caveat would be that if you have engine damage or damaged the car you would immediately start at the back of the pack, no team order allowed before and during the qualifications and the decision that it will be a normal qualification round or the reverse starting grid one would only be known after the Q3 has ended), either that or reverse sprint races results where the sprint races in some tracks you will be put at the back of the pack for the start of the full race (the rest is quiet similar to the reverse qualifications grid scheme). Imagine a reverse grid position for Monaco or Azerbaijan Grand Prix, What do you think guys?
This channel is the Coldfusion of f1
They had plans to have the track go through the stadium, but there wasn't enough space for the cars. That would have been cool, would have made this track less boring.
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3:58 distant angry Mark Skaife noises
Miami is trying to be the Monaco of the Western Hemisphere
Price gouging at sporting events, lawsuits, and hyped over-extravagance; the pillars of American society.
You should do a video on Stefano Domenicali and why he should step down.
upgrade Road Amercia or Barber to grade 1 and take the race there... there are so many extra racetracks in the states, yet they spend a shitload of money on these Miami and Vegas parking lots
"Beetles" 😄
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Almost a 10 min video when you could just say "Miami is America's Sochi"
Watch the Las Vegas price…
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The tickets for miami are astronomically expensive up until 3 days before the race
Plus airfare, and hotel, and food only for a lackluster track
If you still call AM Jordan you’re not seasoned you’re just a D-Bag 😂
I live in Vegas, make a decent living, and cannot afford the ridiculous price to attend the GP in my own city. Sad.
Yeah as a American fan I can straight up say I have abandoned seeing a F1 race in my country. I don't support any of these events outside of COTA because they are complete shams at outrageous prices.
Had a blast in 2023
Miami pre-race show was a disgrace for humanity, the grid walk was awful. Martin Brundle deserve a raise just to talk to thoses peoples.
At least Monaco you can justify the price, due to the prestige of the location. Miami is a frying pan with more grease than a McDonalds chip pan frier.
I paid $550 for GA here in austin and $150 for parking for this years race... So it looks like Miami isnt that expensive after all. I thought it was going to be more. 5 years ago I paid 250 for GA here in austin.
I don't understand how America is so car reliant. The Canadian GP in Montreal isn't perfect, but you can: take the subway, take a ferry, drive, or walk. All of the transport options are viable as the community through staff, police, and volunteers make sure traffic is moving to and from the track. It's also extremely hot mid-June in Montreal. I brought a boonie hat and still got cooked in the grandstands. But isn't that the nature of this type of event? How much can a promotor do to keep people shaded? I guess it just comes down to price. I paid $600 for the weekend in decent seats and didn't lament the fact I was roasting in the sun, but if I paid like $7000 or whatever, I guess I'd see the reality of the fact I paid that much to get sunburned in a parking lot.
Fight with your wallets-I guess...? Rich people get bored and move onto the next big thing to hover around. Maybe one day us peasants can reclaim our sports from the corporations and rich people who buy up all the tickets. Maybe...
9 bucks for a hot dog 🌭 at the 2023 race is fucking over the top insane .. but you don’t have a choice
For future use, amenity means an attraction...
Ah Kaitak, good ole days. Glitz and glamour, but all as real as that marina😂